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Speaker 1: I've listened to YouTube for a long time about the

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Speaker 1: best ones you've ever coached. They had one thing in

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Speaker 1: no matter how good they were. Future first round draft

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Speaker 1: pick still taking coaching like he's a kindergartener. I heard

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Speaker 1: you talking the other day. You just started springing around here,

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Speaker 1: and you said, some guys, man, they get almost offended

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Speaker 1: this stuff forever, so it's almost like old hat. It's

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Speaker 1: just here we go again. But they're going through it

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Speaker 1: without being so jaded negative and trying to kind of

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Speaker 1: it's got to be if you're ever going to maximize

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a decision they have to make. I mean,

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Speaker 2: the choice when you came here was I chose hard.

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Speaker 2: I chose getting coached. In constructive criticism, it's good for

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Speaker 2: you to develop. A lot of schools and coaches don't

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Speaker 2: want to do that. So we still do it here.

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Speaker 2: We do it hard, and are most of our good players,

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Speaker 2: like you mentioned, they embrace that they want that Rock

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Speaker 2: Bowers comes and says, how can I get better? Show

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Speaker 2: me another way. It's the same way for Devonte Wyatt

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Speaker 2: or Javon Buller. They want they want to be coached.

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Speaker 2: They want you to teach them how to do it.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know that the masses, the large numbers

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Speaker 2: They don't they don't really want to be coach hard.

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Speaker 2: So they got to make a decision. They gome here,

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Speaker 1: Do you ever, Like when you quality control everything you do,

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Speaker 1: ultimately the responsibility falls on you. When you lose, the

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Speaker 1: onus falls on you. And then that downstream of that

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Speaker 1: is your staff. But when you guys are in a

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Speaker 1: staff meeting and you're not feeling that guys are taking

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Speaker 1: coaches or taking coaching, at some point like it's got

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Speaker 1: to be on them. But from your vantage point, from

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Speaker 1: your perspective, on your side of the fence, what different

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Speaker 1: measures can you enact to try and sort of expedite

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Speaker 2: I think a better relationship with the kids. It starts

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Speaker 2: with that. I mean I call in a couple kids

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Speaker 2: a day and just say, hey, what's going on? I

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Speaker 2: want to make sure that we're reaching you the right way.

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Speaker 2: Do you understand why we're trying to help you and

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Speaker 2: the way we're going about it, and make sure the

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Speaker 2: kid knows that it's really for his long term benefit.

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Speaker 2: Entitlement's always been part of our society. Entitlement has grown

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Speaker 2: into athletes. I mean, most athletes grow up entitled. He's

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Speaker 2: the best one to do this, so he gets pushed

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Speaker 2: along whether he deserves it or not. But I think

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Speaker 2: it's an alarming rate right now in terms of there's

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Speaker 2: an entitlement of more people. So they don't end up

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Speaker 2: successful in year five, six seven. They think they're successful

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Speaker 2: in year one, two three, but we're going to see

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Speaker 2: the effect of this. They're not going to be where

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Speaker 2: they need to be five sixty seven because they don't

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Speaker 2: handle the construct their criticism that comes with it.

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Speaker 1: You've got a theory about why that's more prevalent today.

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Speaker 1: Everyone just automatically says, well, you know, with social media,

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Speaker 1: It seems like most people's theory stems from the change

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Speaker 1: have a multi prong theory is there one thing you

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Speaker 1: point to, is it irrelevant because it is what it is.

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Speaker 2: Either way, it probably is irrelevant because we've got to

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Speaker 2: find a way around it. Regardless of what the cause is.

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Speaker 2: Our job is to get them to buy into a

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Speaker 2: for you yourself individually, selfishly, what do you want to achieve.

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Speaker 2: The best way to do that is mimic what's been

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Speaker 2: done in the past, and that's like buy in, like

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Speaker 2: like learn, take the coach and take the criticism. Grow

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Speaker 2: from that. You can't have growth without it. But I

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Speaker 2: mean a lot of it stems from reading about themselves.

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Speaker 2: The media attention around recruiting has increased every year, so

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Speaker 2: every kid comes in with a bubble built around them

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Speaker 2: They're here every day. So they share with them, Nolan Smith,

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Speaker 1: The other part of that is that old quote in

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Speaker 2: It is the moving the guys that are neutral over

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Speaker 2: This is what that looks like. That rep right there

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Speaker 2: it doesn't matter what other skills that you have, because

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Speaker 1: Yeah? How much of a shock to the senses is

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Speaker 2: It is, and we had less cold water in the past.

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Speaker 2: So when you add the fact that you've got thirty

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Speaker 2: three to forty new people in your organizations, it's crazy

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Speaker 2: how much that changes. I've done a new exercise to

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Speaker 2: so twenty five spring is what we're doing now. I

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Speaker 2: same day of practice. And it's crazy the difference. And

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Speaker 2: you're like, well, what's those are really good teams? Well, yeah,

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Speaker 2: they're really good teams, but they're being measured within a

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Speaker 2: much attention to detail. So how do we grow those

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Speaker 1: So sitting in the head coach's chair and you've won championships,

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Speaker 1: the way it's supposed to be. I think probably typical

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Speaker 1: nature would be to look around and say, yeah, but

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Speaker 1: where we need to be. I don't know. I guess

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what you just described is the standard is the standard.

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Speaker 2: So like, that's what people say, What do you mean

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Speaker 2: the standard is the standard? Well, the standard, which is

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Speaker 2: those past years is the standard, and so we're measuring

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Speaker 2: At times, I do succumb to the I have to

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Speaker 2: accept that it's different now. Portal rates are higher and

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Speaker 2: I accept less? And I wrestle with that because I

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Speaker 2: do want to hold to that standard, but we don't

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Speaker 2: So we have to manage the new standard better than

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Speaker 2: which is what some guys aroun here created a couple

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Speaker 1: Where's the needle got to be? Like, I mean, how

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Speaker 1: organization and the outside world to know? On one hand,

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Speaker 1: here are my non negotiables. On the other hand, my

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Speaker 1: roster looks totally different in terms of average rate of experience,

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Speaker 1: bend a little here, in other words, defining your non

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Speaker 1: and know one when to do that, like no one

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Speaker 1: when things have changed enough to say, all right, compartment

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Speaker 1: see here, Yeah, I guess we can. I guess we

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Speaker 1: can change that fifteen percent. How do you How do

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Speaker 1: you have the vision to know when to do that?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's instincts. I think it's you know,

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Speaker 2: for me, it's looking at somebody and saying, okay, can

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Speaker 2: I I can't be non negotiable on effort, toughness in

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Speaker 2: these DNA qualities we have. I can't. That's a non negotiable.

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Speaker 2: You are gonna have those things or you're not gonna play.

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Speaker 2: But you have to do more to explain to a

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Speaker 2: young man why those values have to happen. I'm trying

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Speaker 2: to speed up a process that you can't speed up.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I'm going through it every year. I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 2: I've seen this. It takes two years for this guy

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Speaker 2: New rev Share? Yeah, well, I don't know. I don't

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Speaker 1: I get the sense, correct me, if your perspective is different.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it makes the sport more parody. I

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Speaker 1: You're now several years in now, So now you've got

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Speaker 2: The case by case, because the case study you're referencing

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Speaker 1: felt like watching you. You're trying to plug twelve holes

432
00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,800
Speaker 1: with ten fingers the whole year, and you're in Atlanta.

433
00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,640
Speaker 1: Then your quarterback goes down and you're trailing. I think

434
00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,159
Speaker 1: people revisionist history don't remember it. You were trailing, you

435
00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,280
Speaker 1: had to come from behind with a backup. And I

436
00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,200
Speaker 1: remember watching the ending of that game and thinking to myself,

437
00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:11,880
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going to happen in the playoff,

438
00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,480
Speaker 1: but I gotta think watching Georgia football all my life,

439
00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,080
Speaker 1: that right there feels like one of the most rewarding

440
00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,880
Speaker 1: moments in time that I remember any Georgia team having.

441
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Speaker 1: What was the immediate aftermath of.

442
00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:28,040
Speaker 2: That light proud of our culture, because I think our

443
00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,280
Speaker 2: culture helped win that game. Our familiarity with the conference

444
00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,160
Speaker 2: helped win that game. I mean, Texas was a beat

445
00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,439
Speaker 2: up football team too. They had played a really tough schedule.

446
00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,800
Speaker 2: They had an offensive tackle who's going to be a

447
00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:41,240
Speaker 2: great player out, their quarterback was beat up and banged up.

448
00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,040
Speaker 2: But at that point in time, everybody in the SEC

449
00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,520
Speaker 2: is you've played everybody, and that group we had was

450
00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,200
Speaker 2: resilient and we won it because we won the line

451
00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,959
Speaker 2: of scrimmage. We stopped the run on defense, and that's

452
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,040
Speaker 2: why we won that game. Okay, and we ran the

453
00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,879
Speaker 2: ball better than we did most of the year, not

454
00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:58,680
Speaker 2: to Georgia standards, but better than we did most of

455
00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:00,960
Speaker 2: the year. In that game, we won the game based

456
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,399
Speaker 2: on our culture, our toughness, all the things we built

457
00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,919
Speaker 2: our program on. It was a program win. It was

458
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 2: not a pretty win. It was a program win. And

459
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,159
Speaker 2: I'm probably most proud of that of all the games

460
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,480
Speaker 2: because of all the things we faced within that game.

461
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,440
Speaker 2: That was a tough one. It was the first year

462
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:18,560
Speaker 2: of what the new model of the SEC is going

463
00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 2: to look like. I think the new norm in the

464
00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,119
Speaker 2: SEC is going to be the records you saw across

465
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 2: the league last year. Hey, it's tough. You're going to

466
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,200
Speaker 2: have losses. Who bounces back from the losses?

467
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:32,320
Speaker 1: Yeah? I also thought about the scheduling dynamic in the

468
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Speaker 1: conference right now. I'm not sure if changes are on

469
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,280
Speaker 1: the horizon or not, but I've got my own, you know,

470
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Speaker 1: sort of personal way. I like to judge a strength

471
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Speaker 1: of schedule in March and then redo it in December.

472
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Speaker 1: And I'm looking at what I think the toughest and

473
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Speaker 1: relatively easiest schedule is in a Big ten conference or

474
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Speaker 1: an SEC right now, and there's a gulf to me

475
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,480
Speaker 1: between one versus the other. Not that there's an easy one. Obviously,

476
00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,920
Speaker 1: it's not your job to do it, but yet you're

477
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Speaker 1: the fought told dealing with it. Is there a way

478
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Speaker 1: that you would prefer scheduling to work or is it

479
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Speaker 1: just kind of we got to deal with what we

480
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Speaker 1: deal with.

481
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Speaker 2: Well, I think it works within your conference right now,

482
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 2: right like so, our school does our schedule, but our

483
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,119
Speaker 2: conference dictates a lot of that with conference decisions of

484
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 2: how the scheduling is gonna go. But outside of our

485
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 2: conference games, we pick our opponents, at least we do

486
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 2: a long time ago, because a lot of these games,

487
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,640
Speaker 2: like the Clemson game last year that came wild back,

488
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,400
Speaker 2: like way back when I first got here. So everybody

489
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 2: deals with it differently. You'd love to see it managed

490
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 2: from a ten thousand feet of one person picking the strings.

491
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,359
Speaker 2: If everybody was, you know, an NFL model, so it

492
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 2: was much easier to do in terms of balancing things

493
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Speaker 2: out and making things even. We're just not in that

494
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,720
Speaker 2: mold right now. We may be leaning that way, we

495
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:49,960
Speaker 2: may be moving that way, but we're just not there.

496
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Speaker 1: Hypothetically, this is not from the league office. This is

497
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Speaker 1: purely from some guy who's sitting here talking to you. Hypothetically.

498
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Speaker 1: If if I were to snap my fingers and the

499
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 1: new scheduling model was you didn't find out your schedule

500
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,640
Speaker 1: until February. You didn't find out your schedule until until

501
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,400
Speaker 1: late winter early spring of that year. Fundamentally, how does

502
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Speaker 1: that change your prep? How does that change how you

503
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 1: structure spring? Like? Is that a huge deal or a

504
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 1: very minor deal.

505
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 2: It's not a huge deal from a coaching perspective prep

506
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 2: for the game. I mean, most teams don't have the

507
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 2: roster yet, they're still in dealing with the portal, so

508
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 2: it's not a it's more about the travel of the

509
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 2: college student in the college towns, So booking of hotels,

510
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 2: how you're going to do travel, where you're going to go.

511
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 2: Some of these some of these towns don't have any hotels,

512
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,719
Speaker 2: so they're booked. They're they're especially in the SEC market.

513
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 2: You're looking at Oxford, Athens, Tuscaloosa. You're looking at cities

514
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 2: that they need time to prep that, and they need

515
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,959
Speaker 2: time to prepare for it. But can it be done. Absolutely,

516
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,880
Speaker 2: from a coaches perspective, you could give us our schedule

517
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 2: in March and we'll be fine with the schedule that

518
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 2: we get in March. We can react to that and

519
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 2: get ready for it. You're preparing your own team. You're

520
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 2: not worried about the opponent until halfway through fall camp.

521
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of football operations things that go

522
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 2: on outside that that have to happen, but not not

523
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 2: from a standpoint of a coach.

524
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Speaker 1: You guys, on paper, did not have a ton of

525
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: coaching roster churn. I know you probably have an army

526
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,360
Speaker 1: of analysts that aren't on paper that you see come

527
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 1: and go every cycle, But normally I'm used to you

528
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 1: losing some coaches and you didn't really have a ton

529
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Speaker 1: of that that you dealt with now. I always listened

530
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 1: to a guy who lost a ton of coaches and

531
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: their first press conference is we love getting fresh ideas

532
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,400
Speaker 1: and new perspective in here. Then the same guy retains

533
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 1: the staff. He said, it's a godsend to retain the staff.

534
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 1: I hate replace them. What is the benefit of keeping

535
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 1: all those guys and the synergy, especially when you don't

536
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Speaker 1: have that on your player roster the way you used to.

537
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a big bonus to me. I mean, I'll

538
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 2: spend the because we had four the year before that change,

539
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 2: and you know, you can make that a positive of

540
00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 2: new ideas and things. And I would do the same thing.

541
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Speaker 2: I would given the preference of the two. I want

542
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 2: the continuity and the retention because the relationships they form

543
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 2: with the current players gives you a better chance to

544
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 2: keep them because ultimately they know those parents better. All Right,

545
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 2: When you get changeover in position coaches, there's always a

546
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 2: little bit of lack of communication here or there, and

547
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 2: then a kid's more apt to leave the retention of

548
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 2: relationships of people they've been recruiting. So the sophomores and

549
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 2: juniors in high school. They've been recruiting since their ninth

550
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 2: and tenth graders. That carries over, so it helps in

551
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 2: recruiting to retain people because people want to know that

552
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 2: coach is going to be there. They want to know

553
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,360
Speaker 2: they've got a relationship with them. So I like the

554
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 2: positives of the retention more than I do the positives

555
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 2: of well, I'm gonna get new ideas in different things,

556
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 2: and I think you're going to see a little more

557
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 2: of that because the shift has been Athletic departments have said,

558
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm maybe a little slower to change.

559
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,719
Speaker 2: This guy's the head coach, or this guy's the O SEE,

560
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 2: or this guy's the DC because it's a big expenditure

561
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 2: and I'm expending money on my players as opposed to

562
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 2: my coaching staff. So there's been a little bit of

563
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 2: a freeze when you look at the SEC. I don't

564
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 2: know that we had one coaching change this year, right,

565
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 2: I don't know there's one head coaching change. Somebody said

566
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 2: even at the coordinator level, it might have been one

567
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 2: or two. Within the entire league. That's sixteen times too.

568
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 2: That's a thirty two spots for coordinators, maybe three or

569
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 2: four changed, So there's just less change in general because

570
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 2: they don't want to pay and they want to pay

571
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 2: the players.

572
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: I've looked at facility enhancements get put on hold and

573
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: thought of that being the reason. I don't know that.

574
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: I've thought about coaching changes maybe being dialed back a bit.

575
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 1: Guys that previously would have been on the fence fall

576
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: back in just because you don't want to pay the

577
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: buy out, you don't wan to pay the expenditure. When

578
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,959
Speaker 1: you look around a coaching room, how quickly can you

579
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: tell a guy he is a future head coach?

580
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 2: I think it'd probably take me a spring practice one

581
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 2: one half a year, you know, like either the season

582
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 2: or the the season I called off season, which is

583
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 2: January to July, January to June. You can tell a

584
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 2: lot in that time. How they prepare their meetings, how

585
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 2: they prepare the jobs we give guys different off season projects.

586
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 2: You'll know pretty quick. Does he have his ducks in

587
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 2: a row? Kenny handle talking in front of the team.

588
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 2: I put every assistant in front of the team in

589
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 2: some way, shape or fashion. And what does he do

590
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 2: when he's in front of the team. How does he

591
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 2: manage that? I think he can usually tell within six months.

592
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: When you think back on your coaching career, you think

593
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 1: of the whole Dunning Kruger effect of in the outset,

594
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: you got that period where you think you know everything,

595
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: and then you got the period where you're at your

596
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: lowest point you think you know nothing. Then there's this

597
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 1: gradual climb the rest of your career to try and

598
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: to get to where you want to go. Do you

599
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: you have like moments in mind when you think back

600
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 1: about lowest points, most important teaching moments, that time that

601
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: sucked being the most valuable to get me to where

602
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: I am today? Like where does your mind go if

603
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: someone asks you that.

604
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 2: My first mind went to, I never was at that

605
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 2: one where you said you think you know it all.

606
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 2: That was probably in college is a player when I

607
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 2: thought I could you know, out coach the coaches or

608
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 2: help my dad who was a high school coach, and

609
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 2: I was giving him ideas because I thought I knew

610
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 2: it all. But there was never a moment for me

611
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 2: in the culture I came from of thinking this, I

612
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 2: was a coach and I knew more than the coach,

613
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 2: you know, Like when I got into coaching, I was

614
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 2: here Joe Kines coach Dinah gave me a job I'll

615
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 2: never forget. I went in he showed me how to

616
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 2: break down tape and it was before the computers, before

617
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 2: we input it things. And you had to write every play.

618
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 2: You had to write first down, second quarter, and you

619
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 2: had to write down ten what yard line it was on.

620
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 2: You entered everything by hand and then you drew the

621
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 2: play and you had to do ten games that way.

622
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 2: I'll never forget. We played Perdue in a bowl game

623
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 2: in nineteen either ninety nine or two thousand. Here's Drew

624
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 2: Brees out back of Law. I broke down every game

625
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 2: of their season and had to hand draw every play

626
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 2: and everything. And I think there is no like growing

627
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 2: up in the coaching profession like we did. They all

628
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 2: have analytics computers that Dad has entered somewhere else and sold,

629
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 2: so it just comes immediately to you the game. We

630
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 2: did that behind and I'm like, man, that made me

631
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 2: a better coach because the detail that I had to

632
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 2: go into to do it was tedious, but the detail

633
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 2: that had to go into it being a GA at

634
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 2: Florida State working for Bobby Bolden and Mickey Andrews, the

635
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 2: smallest things that I felt like I had to work

636
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 2: on to get better. And then you said that, and

637
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 2: I thought immediately about Nick and working for him my

638
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 2: first year, and you know that was where you said,

639
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 2: you don't fuck you know anything? He feel like every

640
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 2: day's low point. There was a lot of days at

641
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: LSU that I was like, oh, man, I thought I

642
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 2: was a good coach. I didn't know anything, because you're

643
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 2: learning from somebody who knows a lot.

644
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: If I'm a twenty three year old like grad assistant,

645
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: I if I'm coaching, man, if I'm worth my salt,

646
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: I know the history of the game, so I know

647
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: who my head coach is. I know where you've been,

648
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: I know your story. How often do guys sort of

649
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: seek stories from the previous eras, Like how inquisitive are

650
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: they when they've got time to talk like that about

651
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: what it was like there and what it was like then.

652
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 2: I don't think they do. It was funny because the

653
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 2: other night I went and spoke at a Touchdown Club

654
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 2: event and making and we were flying home and I

655
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 2: was with a couple young coaches on the plane that

656
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 2: had come down there with me, and they were flying back,

657
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 2: and I know I was in a good mood. I

658
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 2: was finished, I wasn't tired, and the day was about over,

659
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 2: and we just started talking about old stories. And I

660
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 2: started talking about and I realized at that point, I'm

661
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 2: almost fifty. These guys are twenty four to twenty five,

662
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 2: and I'm telling them stories and they're hanging on the

663
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 2: edge of their seat wanting to listen to the story.

664
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 2: But we as coaches now, at least the coaches that

665
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 2: I know that are my age and older, they don't

666
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 2: take the time to tell their stories anymore because you're

667
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 2: spending all your time on the players. Yeah, there is

668
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 2: no good, old boy, I'm gonna sit back talk tell stories.

669
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 2: I'm worried about something or some issue, something going on.

670
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 2: We don't have the meetings I had in two thousand

671
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 2: and three and four where you're sitting around with the

672
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 2: coaches just kind of talking. You're always doing something. You're

673
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 2: meeting on analytics, you're meeting on a new facility, you're

674
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 2: meeting with a player, you're trying to recruit a player.

675
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 2: You're trying to talk on tracks and nil and where

676
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: the salary kept. There is no time for storytelling time.

677
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 2: I mean, you don't get it. But as a young coach.

678
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 2: You should feed on that, you should want that, you

679
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 2: should grow from those lessons that older guys have learned.

680
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: Now in your profession, so you've been through several generations

681
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: of your profession now, plus you played the game, so

682
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: you've seen several generations and iterations of our sport. I

683
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: think back, just in society in general, about things that

684
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: I wish would come back, but I know it's not

685
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: coming back. Like the pre cell phone era, what live

686
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: sporting events and concerts were like, where everyone is just

687
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: both hands are free, you're just focused, you're living in

688
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: the moment. I wish that had come back. I know

689
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: it's not coming back, but I long for it. Is

690
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: there anything in your profession, maybe what you just talked

691
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: about or something else that you long for you miss that.

692
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: It's a waste of time to think about it too

693
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: much because it's not coming back. Man.

694
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 2: I would mean, I would say, I will long for

695
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 2: knowing that regardless of how we coach the kid, they're

696
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 2: gonna be here the whole time, Like you didn't have

697
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 2: to worry about that. I mean, yeah, they could leave,

698
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 2: they had to sit out whatever, and everybody says, well,

699
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 2: the coach can leave, But I mean, coach has a

700
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 2: contract and he gets fired in completely different situation. I

701
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 2: wish because the success they get, the reward I saw

702
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 2: kids get for sticking through and its recent as kway Walker,

703
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 2: I mean he wanted to leave. I always use that example.

704
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 2: There's so many kids that wanted to get stuck it

705
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 2: out and they're so appreciative. I never get a kid

706
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 2: that comes back on the other side and says, who boy, coach,

707
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 2: I'm glad I got out of there. It worked out

708
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 2: really good for me. On the other side of that,

709
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 2: you know, I wish that they could sometimes I think

710
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 2: back to that old freshman rule. People don't know that

711
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 2: back in the seventies eight before Herschel you couldn't play

712
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 2: us afresh ight. I sometimes wonder that could That could

713
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 2: have been the greatest rule ever because there was no

714
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 2: expectations you couldn't play. Now, they're good enough, they're talented enough,

715
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: and they need them. But if they didn't, there would

716
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 2: be this I gotta get out of here, this notion

717
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 2: of I gotta leave. I gotta live up to it.

718
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,959
Speaker 2: The mental health aspect that I'm seeing impact our young kids,

719
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 2: it's off the charts. I mean, there's an era coming

720
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 2: up of they have an expectation when they're walking here

721
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 2: that they have to perform to their NIL level and

722
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 2: they can't live up to it. It's not that I

723
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 2: mean they can't live up to it the Ryan in Jeremiah,

724
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 2: the Ja. Those guys are exceptions to the rule. Their

725
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 2: exception is the rule. It's the rest of the kids

726
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 2: who now think they should be that and they can't

727
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 2: live up to it. And so I don't like what

728
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 2: that does to a kid mentally from a standpoint of

729
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 2: his career.

730
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: That was always the big I guess risk more than danger.

731
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: It wasn't. It was when we headed towards this world,

732
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: the outside world was going to develop an emotional callous

733
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: that they used to reserve for pro sports, pro sports

734
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: and trash a guy whatever. They're just their mercenaries, their assets.

735
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: They're not real people. College was always college kids. Well,

736
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: when you put eight hundred thousand dollars in the pocket

737
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: of a true freshman, and you know maybe the guy

738
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: sitting in section two thirty two who contributes to the

739
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: NIL views himself as paying the kid's salary, well then

740
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: there's expectation. It's no different than a coach if I

741
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: pay you three million more per year than I used to.

742
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: I should get expedited results. There is no microwave though

743
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: there never has been, there never will be. You're grown up,

744
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: like you've matured, you understand how to deal with that

745
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: eighteen year old. That's a total crapshoot.

746
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 2: That's right. It's not fair what the expectations are for them. Okay,

747
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 2: and you can sit back and say, well, their salary warrants,

748
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 2: that their NIL warrants that they didn't really they didn't

749
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 2: make those rules. They didn't they didn't make the game.

750
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 2: They're just playing by the game, and they should be

751
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 2: rewarded financially, but they should not not for their emotional

752
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 2: state of being. We're going to see a cause and

753
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 2: effect down the line where there's gonna be a body

754
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 2: of I don't know if it's fifty percent sixty percent

755
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 2: of these high level college athletes that were on high

756
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 2: level NIL that struggle in the real world because they

757
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 2: never had to work and achieve. Their greatest earning years

758
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 2: may fall between eighteen and twenty three. What are they

759
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 2: going to do from twenty three to thirty when they

760
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 2: have a real job. That's my concern for them.

761
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: I think the toughest part for an outside onlooker is

762
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,439
Speaker 1: you may be work in construction, you may be driving

763
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: a FedEx truck. You're just living your life. And if

764
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,919
Speaker 1: you're doing that, you're probably around people who are your age,

765
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: who are like you. You're not around eighteen to twenty two

766
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: year old kids all day. So you get a glimpse

767
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: at what the average nineteen year old's mentality is when

768
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: you see it aligne when you watch a football game,

769
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: when you look at an interview, and so all you're doing,

770
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: if you're a fifty two year old insurance salesman, is

771
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: you're comparing this kid's mentality to what would have been

772
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: acceptable when you were a kid, and you're judging them

773
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: by previous generation standards. And I think that goes back

774
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: to a lot of what you're talking about, because that's

775
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: what I see you hear the kids these days quote

776
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: all the time. And also you look at a lot

777
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: of maybe to draw it back to our world what

778
00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:00,040
Speaker 1: people perceive as wrong about college football. You got the

779
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: meaningless bowl game era, You've got the mercenary player going

780
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: to four different programs era. You just said something really important.

781
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: I talked to Mac Brown about this last year, and

782
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: he went like an hour on it. He said, you know,

783
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: all these changes, I don't remember the kids asking for

784
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 1: any of them. I remember some adults with their own

785
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: agendas pushing for it. I remember other adults not having

786
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: the backbone to stand up and stand against it. Now

787
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: here we are, and you know, with every problem you

788
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: have with the kid, there are ten adults over here

789
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: that are probably as much, if not more, to blame

790
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:30,720
Speaker 1: than the kid.

791
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 2: Himself one hundred percent. They're playing by the rules they

792
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 2: were given. The adults in the room made the rules

793
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 2: and made them the way they are, and there's probably

794
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 2: a balance somewhere in the middle that's needed. But at

795
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 2: the end of the day, our job is get education,

796
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 2: become the best person off the field, and then develop

797
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 2: as a football player on the field, and help put

798
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 2: people that can contribute to society into society so they

799
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 2: are better people for having come to whatever university they

800
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 2: come to. And I'm not sure, at least in football,

801
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 2: one of the highest paid nil and maybe college basketball,

802
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 2: that we're doing them justice by what they're learning while

803
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 2: they're here.

804
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: So you're just entering spring as you and I are talking,

805
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 1: and by the time people watch this, you'll be midway

806
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: through spring. I heard you talk the other day about

807
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 1: how maybe your true freshman class conditioning wise, or really

808
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: where you want them to be. Now, a lot of

809
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 1: people listen to that, because I listen to a lot

810
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: of the media around Georgia and they say, well, here's

811
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: what Kirby really means when he says that, which is

812
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: a pretty common refrain. And I sit here and talk

813
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: to you. My general experience with you is you're just

814
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: gonna shoot straight and tell me what you think. And

815
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: if you don't think it, you won't say it. If

816
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: you had to play a game today, you'd be a disaster.

817
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: But that's what spring is for, correct So what are

818
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: some of the key things that have to come together

819
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,479
Speaker 1: for this group for it to round into the form

820
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: it needs to be to be able to win in

821
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: the fall.

822
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 2: We've got to have more people play winning football, which

823
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 2: starts with passion, energy and toughness, right like, do you

824
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 2: love the game? Do you love being physically tough and violent?

825
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 2: And can you sustain? I mean, I don't know that

826
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,439
Speaker 2: I've ever gone out there and had freshmen. Then I said,

827
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 2: oh man, that guy's ready to go. He can sustain.

828
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 2: Every good freshman we've had has struggled like hell in spring.

829
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 2: That's okay, but the struggle has to advance you and

830
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 2: you have to get better, and you got to push

831
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 2: through this barrier. You can't have a governor on you

832
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 2: and go, oh gosh, I can't make it. Oh gosh,

833
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 2: I'm not. You got to push through that so that

834
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 2: practice seven eight nine, you're not looking for oxygen and water.

835
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 2: You're able to take your rep volume and go in

836
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 2: that small space, and the good ones do that. We've

837
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 2: had a lot of brought pushed right on through that bubble.

838
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 2: We got a couple of young guys right now pushing

839
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 2: through that bubble. But you got to push through that

840
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 2: bubble to make it. And some kids aren't comfortable with that.

841
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 2: We have to make them uncomfortable.

842
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: I had a guy on last night's show right before

843
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: I came down here. He said, Hey, I'm a Georgia fan.

844
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: I like a lot of the players, the young players

845
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: on the team. He said, I've got concern that Kirby's

846
00:38:55,600 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 1: going to favor seniority over talent at quarterback. Gave my

847
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: answer to that, what kind of response do you give

848
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: to that?

849
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 2: Well, Talent at quarterback is a beautiful thing. You have

850
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 2: to be able to go out and execute at that position.

851
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 2: There's a lot of positions that you can take talent

852
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 2: over seniority. At quarterback, you got to take the guy

853
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 2: that gives you the best chance to win the game.

854
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 2: That includes talent, that includes decision making, because that position

855
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 2: can get you beat faster than it can win the

856
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,399
Speaker 2: game because all it takes is a fumble, a poor

857
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 2: decision of misprotection, sack, fumble, and the game's over. You

858
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 2: can't afford to have those kind of mistakes even with

859
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 2: a talented guy. And we have talented guys, and that

860
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 2: assumption I guess is a gunner, Ryan or a gun

861
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Speaker 2: or somebody. Gunner's very talented. He's been playing a lot

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Speaker 2: of football for US. Ryan's very talented. Every school in

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Speaker 2: the country wanted him. So we have talented players. We've

864
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Speaker 2: got to get the right talented players around them. That's

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Speaker 2: the big decision is like who's around us on defense

866
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Speaker 2: and offense, because we do have some good young freshman

867
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Speaker 2: sophomores that have a chance to beat out some older players.

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Speaker 1: You guys, as head coaches, are in a situation right

869
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Speaker 1: now where you got a really tough conversation to have

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Speaker 1: about roster size because the amount of scholarships you have,

871
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Speaker 1: the amount of available spots you have is changing. If

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Speaker 1: you sit in front of me and you broke seventeen

873
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Speaker 1: of my team rules, it's not hard for me to

874
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Speaker 1: tell you you're no longer on my team. Sure, if

875
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Speaker 1: you did nothing wrong and you work your tail off

876
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Speaker 1: for me, but all of a sudden, the structure of

877
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Speaker 1: the game has changed, and I've got to tell you

878
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Speaker 1: we had a spot for you previously, we don't have

879
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: a spot for you now. That's tough.

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00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:26,280
Speaker 2: It's tough.

881
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: How how far out in front of that did you

882
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 1: try and get and how just brutally honest with guys

883
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: do you have to be as early as possible about

884
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: where they stand and what kind of options they need

885
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Speaker 1: to explore.

886
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we haven't talked a lot about it to our guys.

887
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 2: I think they understand it's coming. But at the same time,

888
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 2: we're being told we have until the first game to

889
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 2: make a lot of those decisions. So the roster is

890
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 2: going to have to reduce near the first game. I

891
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 2: don't think it's real fair to take a kid all

892
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 2: the way up to the first game and tell them

893
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 2: so our plan all along has been a notified guys. Hey, look,

894
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 2: you'll be in limbo. I don't know that she'll be

895
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 2: in the one oh five. You might be in that

896
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Speaker 2: gap between one five and one twenty five or one thirty.

897
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 2: I want to be honest and upfront, because they have

898
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 2: a portal window that's gonna pass. They would have an

899
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 2: opportunity to go somewhere else to play, But most of

900
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 2: those kids would be entering that portal with no film,

901
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 2: no tape, and they'd be going on a hope when

902
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 2: really their desire was to come to Uga, get a degree,

903
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 2: and play football at Uga. I don't want to take

904
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 2: that away from them. I mean, that's what our lifelome.

905
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 2: Some of our best lessons learned in this room, this

906
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 2: team room, are from kids who didn't get a penny

907
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 2: and work their tail off Dan Jackson, Lad mccaukeey. I mean,

908
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 2: those are great stories, but we got a ton of

909
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 2: other ones who came out and practiced every day of

910
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,720
Speaker 2: their life, and they set an example for other people.

911
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 2: Some of those kids are gonna lose that opportunity in

912
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 2: this model. We accepted that when we chose to go

913
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Speaker 2: down this.

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Speaker 1: Road, I'll get you out of here on this. So

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Speaker 1: I mean my hope is you got seventy years left

916
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 1: to do this, just stick around forever. But there is

917
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Speaker 1: a world now where guys have two post retirement to

918
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Speaker 1: go do whatever they want to do. Your former boss, very,

919
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: very famously is doing that right now with college game day.

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00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: Do you look around well down the road and see

921
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Speaker 1: something that catches your interest? Do you see something out

922
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: there right now so that it makes you say, I wonder,

923
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Speaker 1: not now and not anytime soon, but eventually, I wonder

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Speaker 1: if I could try my hand at that, I'd be interested,

925
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Speaker 1: how good i'd be at that.

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Speaker 2: I don't have one thing in particular. I mean, I'd

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Speaker 2: love to be on the golf course every day, but

928
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Speaker 2: I know I'm not going to be a pro golfer

929
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Speaker 2: and definitely not on a senior tour, so I'm not

930
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Speaker 2: gonna make a career of it. I would love to be,

931
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Speaker 2: you know, down the road, a consultant somewhere that helps

932
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Speaker 2: young head coaches. I would love to be a guy

933
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 2: that says, Okay, how do we get more minority head coaches?

934
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Speaker 2: How do we get more minority coordinators? Can I help

935
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,720
Speaker 2: can I go help develop those guys and do things,

936
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Speaker 2: because it's really important to me. The coaches I've had

937
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 2: work for me get an opportunity to grow. To see

938
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Speaker 2: Del McGee go out and do it, see Fran Brown

939
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Speaker 2: go out and do it. I just love that. And

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Speaker 2: I want to give guys opportunities like I've had, And

941
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Speaker 2: I feel like I've been very blessed to be around

942
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 2: some really good ones in Bobby Bout, my dad, coach Saban,

943
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Speaker 2: So I want to be able to give that back.

944
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Speaker 2: If there was a way to go and be of

945
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 2: almost a consultant to different schools and sit in and say, hey,

946
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Speaker 2: how can we do this better? I enjoy that and

947
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 2: there would be no attachment, right, I didn't have to

948
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 2: stay and be there for the season. You just you

949
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Speaker 2: go and help out Kurman.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Josh.

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