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Speaker 1: Oh Hello, I am Danielle Fischel, whose name is not

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Speaker 1: only in the title of this show, but I'm also

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Speaker 1: a TV director, a podcaster, a mom of two, and

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Speaker 1: now called Tapanga by cool teen girls at my local Menchi'

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Speaker 1: yogurt shop thanks to Dancing with the Stars popularity on

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Speaker 1: TikTok and God bless them for that, and maybe, just

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Speaker 1: maybe they're following along with my journey thanks to this podcast,

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Speaker 1: where I am chronicling my entire process learning things like

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Speaker 1: the Argentine tango and what compression leggings are, all in

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Speaker 1: the hopes of holding a Len Goodman mirror Ball trophy

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Speaker 1: above my head like a seasoned hockey player finally drinking

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Speaker 1: champagne out of the Stanley Cup. And along the way,

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Speaker 1: I will be chatting with prose, former contestants, modern peers,

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Speaker 1: and absolute legends in hopes that the knowledge can get

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Speaker 1: And this week I say the word legend with extra emphasis.

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Speaker 1: She joined Dancing with the Stars in season two and

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Speaker 1: participated on the show for a whopping twenty five seasons,

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Speaker 1: along with that distinction, and worth noting those victories were

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Speaker 1: in her first and second seasons, so learning curves be damned,

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Speaker 1: and now she will be making a triumphant return to

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Speaker 1: a yearly tradition that constantly proves itself as one of

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Speaker 1: to be sitting with a pioneer of the competition, Cheryl Burke.

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Speaker 2: Hi. I was just gonna I was about to say

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Speaker 3: Are you thank you? Okay?

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Speaker 1: I really want to talk to you about it, because well,

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Speaker 3: Me, and and two I have I have.

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Speaker 1: My feelings on it, but you know, I know, I

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's I think he's just the best partner period.

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Speaker 1: very big announcement that you are returning to the Dancing

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, first of all, just to be in

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Speaker 2: I you know, just a little backstory for any new fans,

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, you know.

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Speaker 2: I started back in two thousand and six. I did

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Speaker 1: Absolutely well, they are lucky to have you in that

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Speaker 1: You know what it's like to you know, not have

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Speaker 2: Seasons back in nineteen sixty two.

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Speaker 3: Don't do it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I've been saying trust the Pasha and trust the Pasha.

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Speaker 2: You don't end in that dip every night, so we have.

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Speaker 2: Put wearing tights right, I was wearing slippering.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, stunning. Thank you?

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Speaker 2: Who's doing your makeup this season?

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Speaker 2: But Luis so underrated the Department of because.

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Speaker 2: I mean they need to win Oscar. I mean, not

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Speaker 2: I am a passionate person.

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Speaker 1: Okay, because you don't know that about me, it comes

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Speaker 3: It is the music.

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Speaker 2: But David Arquette did Dancing with the staras he took

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Speaker 3: Be the fuddy duddy, but I don't want to do that.

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Speaker 1: I don't like spending any time of my leg jumping

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Speaker 2: Are you hungry a good old conversation?

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Speaker 3: Know, correct, you never You're right.

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Speaker 1: Now, I mean, what a beautiful story and relationship then

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Speaker 1: immediately change your mind. You go, I'm you had gone

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Speaker 3: How did that go over with your partner?

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Speaker 2: Oh right, oh and I'm allowed no, no, it's a

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Speaker 2: It just it doesn't work when you think too far

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Speaker 1: There's also, when it all comes down to it, very

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Speaker 3: Let's let's kind of ish.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's have a hand in the things we have

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Speaker 2: And this is where Pasha is amazing, because this is

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Speaker 1: He really is. Danny calls him Buddha, and I'm yeah.

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Speaker 2: He's real. He really didn't hurt last night.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we we both are really bad.

442
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,439
Speaker 2: Sure, let me tell you this is the competition. This

443
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,159
Speaker 2: is if this is in the comp like where you

444
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:59,680
Speaker 2: are right now is where it's exhausted. It's like, okay, wait,

445
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 2: I'm feeling it. But honestly, after this week, it's going

446
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,479
Speaker 2: to go byself fast, so and just really take just

447
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:10,359
Speaker 2: enjoy this process. Maybe or maybe not next week. You

448
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 2: have to feel like this for two weeks, okay, But

449
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 2: after I promise and it's gonna get the two dances,

450
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 2: you will be okay. But again, don't worry about that.

451
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 3: I know it's not you to think about exactly.

452
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 2: You're not in control of it anyway, don't even worry.

453
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:25,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

454
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 1: Well, this this year, we have really seen some hot

455
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,639
Speaker 1: topics throughout the season that have come up, partially because

456
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 1: there is such a whole new fan base to the show.

457
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 1: And one of the hot topics is the dichotomy between

458
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,159
Speaker 1: those who have dance experience and those who do not.

459
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,640
Speaker 1: I would love to hear your opinion, since you started

460
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 1: so early in the show when I feel like correct

461
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. Very early on, one of the

462
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,880
Speaker 1: hooks of the show was that people were supposed to

463
00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 1: not have dance experience when they came on to the show,

464
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 1: But since then it's evolved over time. What is your

465
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 1: opinion on previous dance experience coming into Dancing with the Stars.

466
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,719
Speaker 2: I don't I believe every season there's always a dancer

467
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 2: there's always this is nothing new as far as dance

468
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,679
Speaker 2: experience goes. It doesn't necessarily work in your favor, Like

469
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 2: if you've actually watched the show, I mean, I can

470
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:28,159
Speaker 2: name tons of people who should have won, because this

471
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 2: is also not purely a dance competition.

472
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 3: Obviously obviously not yeah so and if.

473
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 2: That was the case, the show maybe would have not

474
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 2: continued on if the public had no say in the votes, right,

475
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 2: Like this is engaging, This is an engaging show, and

476
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 2: we must work together or not. Like you know, you

477
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 2: have an opinion, you can vote, You guys are at

478
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 2: what a hundred million votes? That's insanity?

479
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 3: Crazy?

480
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 2: Is the voting system? I don't know if you would know,

481
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 2: but is it different? Because like you have ten you

482
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 2: can vote ten times no matter what, or only once

483
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 2: per fione line.

484
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: No, you can vote twenty times per so twenty times

485
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: ten on the internet, ten via text, and for as

486
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:13,120
Speaker 1: many couples as you want.

487
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 2: So I could vote, like let's say I did ten

488
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 2: for you last night, I can also do ten.

489
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 1: For correct correct, And then you could go on your

490
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: computer and you could vote ten for Dylan and ten.

491
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 2: For me on your American idol from back exactly.

492
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 1: So that's where it is, like, you know, fifty million

493
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 1: votes in one night, exactly, it's not fifty million people

494
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: or yeah.

495
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 3: It's it.

496
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 1: It's okay, Yeah, that's one of the reasons it's able

497
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 1: to be so high.

498
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 2: Like, holy, one hundred million people. You guys are.

499
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 3: Killing it exactly. The ratings are good, but they're not

500
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,640
Speaker 3: bad good right, Yeah.

501
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 2: But they've always wanted this younger demographic and now they're

502
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:52,880
Speaker 2: getting it.

503
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 3: Yeah.

504
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 1: I think social media had a lot to do with that,

505
00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:00,640
Speaker 1: for sure. I also I'm a I'm a Dallas Boys fan.

506
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: So you had Emmitt Smith and one with Emmitt Smith

507
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 1: throwing all the theories about the fact that you know,

508
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: Drew lache one because he was musical or had boy band,

509
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: throwing that right out the window.

510
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 2: Okay, here's a perfect example. Mario Lopez, Hello, we beat him.

511
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 2: Like what, it's not a dance competition, Mario was a

512
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 2: better dancer, Like, let's just be.

513
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 1: Real, yep, but it is. It's such a it is

514
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 1: again those things you can't control. You can't control how

515
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: you are.

516
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 3: Perceived by others.

517
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 2: And now, but you know what you can do is

518
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 2: you understand why people rally behind people is because like psychologically,

519
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 2: you see you want to see struggle. Yeah, yeah, like

520
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 2: or else there just why would anyone root for you

521
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 2: if there's no if there's not ever any struggle. So

522
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 2: if they don't show it in your package, it's your

523
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 2: job to show it and your social media.

524
00:25:58,160 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 3: Really smart, really smart.

525
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,439
Speaker 1: I would like to also mention your third season on

526
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 1: the show is no slouch. After winning your first two seasons.

527
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 1: You took Iron Zering to fourth place. What is it

528
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: about these competitors or Christian de la Fuente, Ocho Cinco,

529
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 1: Rob Kardashian, Cody Rigsby. What did they all have in

530
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 1: common that helped that helped you bring them to the

531
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: place you brought them.

532
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't think they've had they had anything in common.

533
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 2: I really don't. I don't think so, because for example,

534
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 2: Christian de la Fuente broke his arm on live TV

535
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 2: and dropped me on my head. And so that's I mean,

536
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 2: I don't know if you want to that struggle right there.

537
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 2: So people are going to rally behind that, right So

538
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,360
Speaker 2: we made the final. Jack Osborne, he's just a beautiful

539
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 2: person and that helps when I really like you as

540
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 2: a person, you know, I think I am invested in

541
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 2: a different way. It's not just a job, okay for me, right,

542
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 2: So I think that's also important, just because I can't

543
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 2: fake it. I'm really bad at it everything with bo

544
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 2: talks and all. You'll see it on my face. Like

545
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 2: if I don't like so, I can't. I can't do it.

546
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 2: I can't lie.

547
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 3: I am exactly exactly the same way.

548
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: I if I'm thinking something, it's gonna be on my face,

549
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: and it's it is both a blessing and a curse.

550
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 2: It's a curse.

551
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 3: It's a curse. It is a curse.

552
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: I mean, you're right, I consider it a blessing because

553
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: I do pride myself on authenticity and so you know,

554
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: I guess it's just a part of that.

555
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 3: It goes with it.

556
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: But boy, that times handle it though. No, that that

557
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: is true for sure. You're not gonna be everyone's favorite.

558
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,479
Speaker 2: No, but I know I have to say, I just

559
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 2: I think maybe the common denominator back then at least.

560
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 2: It's just that I only know ballroom. That's my expertise.

561
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna pretend I do contemporary because I would

562
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 2: beg to never get contemporary. I was like, you guys

563
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 2: want to watch a skit. Do you want to watch SNL,

564
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 2: then give me contemporary.

565
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 1: Honestly, I kind of want to see an SNL skit

566
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: as a contemporary.

567
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie.

568
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 2: I feel like my old contemporaries. It'll make It'll just

569
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 2: get feel rolling.

570
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 3: Did you ever get outside help?

571
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 2: Of course, you can take the ballroom dances right, even

572
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 2: every every week I would make my partners go to

573
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 2: another studio that I would rent at nighttime and walk

574
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 2: his out to death. Absolutely, if you allowed it, I

575
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 2: would do it now. The person who didn't allow it

576
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 2: set boundary. Speaking of Emmett Smith, was like, I'm giving

577
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 2: you four hours, my friend, and that's.

578
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 3: It, right.

579
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: He's like, look, whatever you can do in these four

580
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: hours is what you get.

581
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 2: It's a miracle. And we were flying back and forth

582
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 2: to Dallas at the time, so that was hard.

583
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.

584
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: I have thought about that a couple of times because

585
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: there were there were a couple of people that were

586
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: talking about flying back and forth, and I was like,

587
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: before you start the show, they tell you we will

588
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: work around your schedule.

589
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 3: And so when you when you.

590
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: Don't know what you're in for, do you think, oh,

591
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: apparently I could have like a normal job and.

592
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 3: Also do dancing with Yeah.

593
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, nope, no, not if you want to. Yeah, I'm

594
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: I'm not doing any of that. I gave up everything.

595
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: I've abandoned my family I had, I canceled all my work.

596
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: I barely I barely sleep. I twenty three hours of my.

597
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 3: Day dancing with the stars. Listen.

598
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: If there's one thing I love to do, it's grind.

599
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: So I'm fine, I'm finding the time. But it's truly

600
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: I did laugh. I have laughed so many times at

601
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: the thought where I was like, oh, well, I could

602
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: be directing this week, but oh unfortunately the taping is

603
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: also where what.

604
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? A thing that's also my drug

605
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 2: of choice, the hustle.

606
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 3: Oh boy, that for sure is mine as well.

607
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: Can I ask you what your dances are this week?

608
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 3: Yes, we are doing a Viennese waltz.

609
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 2: Ooh oh, You're gonna be fine. This is the easiest dance.

610
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: I'm so excited and we're doing it to Die with

611
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: a Smile by Bruno Mars and Lady Gaga.

612
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 2: Oh aren't you always doing team dances?

613
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 3: Is we're doing a marathon dance?

614
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 2: We have to do oh that's the worst we have

615
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 2: to do.

616
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 3: Hustle, Hustle and jive how oh no, sorry, Hustle and

617
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 3: Lindy Hop.

618
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 2: Okay, that makes more sense.

619
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 3: Hustle and Lindy Hop.

620
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 2: Oh like, how are they cuting the music? I know?

621
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, So the first the first two minutes is hustle,

622
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: where there's going to be nine of us on the grid,

623
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: and then they're gonna get rid of five and then

624
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: there will be four people your mouth.

625
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 2: Like, literally watch it. There's lists involved and everything in Hustle.

626
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's lifts in Lindy and Hustles and you

627
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 2: guys are all sharing the floor for the first time.

628
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 2: So this is where you, for the women's celebrities, trust

629
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 2: your partners because you don't want to get knocked in

630
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 2: the mouth quite literally.

631
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Well also, I just want to, like, you.

632
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 2: Know, just savor your energy, right, like don't don't went

633
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 2: on bam, thank you ma'am. And then you're like, so

634
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 2: it's stamina. It's really about that. Yeah, you can last

635
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 2: the longest doing.

636
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 3: A minute and a half long dance.

637
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: At the end of it, you're only a minute and

638
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: a half. No, No, the normal dances like right now.

639
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: Like last night was a minute and a half and

640
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: at the end of a minute and a half, I

641
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: can't breathe.

642
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 3: I have no fluid in my mouth at all. It's

643
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 3: like where did all the saliva go? I can't waltz.

644
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 2: You have You're good, You're good.

645
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 3: I know this. We is going to be this week's

646
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 3: three steps.

647
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 2: There's only three steps maximum.

648
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: And we've got like, we've got some cool some cool

649
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: things we want to do, some cool tricks, and we have.

650
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: We've been really working on backstory, Like we've got a

651
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: great backstory, which the only way anyone's going to understand

652
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: the backstories if we set it up in our package.

653
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: So tomorrow or tonight is our master interview. So we've

654
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: talked about how we're going to set it up so

655
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: that people understand what the story is when they watch it.

656
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, all I can say is transitions are key, more

657
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 2: important than anything else.

658
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 3: Okay, transitions for specifically this dance, for.

659
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 2: This dance specifically, yes, but also for every dance moving forward.

660
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 2: Just as much attention you put to the tricks in

661
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 2: the flash, Yeah, you'll get there. It's never about that.

662
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 2: It's about how you get out and get in in yeah,

663
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 2: you know, in the trick, right.

664
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 3: I thought that was a really good note.

665
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: It was like the first thing John M two said

666
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: last night, it's so true all judging and he was

667
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: like the transitions, and I was like.

668
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 2: Oh, the devil's in the detail, and that's what we mean,

669
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 2: the details in the transitions. It's about the actual that

670
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 2: uh at the you know what I mean? Like no

671
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 2: one cares about that.

672
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: Oh I love this advice. The word stacked has been

673
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: thrown around NonStop this year. Have you been impressed by

674
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: this season's contestants compared to Yeah, okay.

675
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 2: Yes, look I believe that there is a beautiful mix

676
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 2: right of people with yes dance experience, but also imagine

677
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 2: if no one had dance experience, Okay, especially going into

678
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 2: a seasoned show. This show is it's a machine and

679
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 2: we need that, like we need the mix now for

680
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 2: any new fans thinking that people pick their music, like

681
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 2: Mark Ballas does not pick his music, you know, and

682
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 2: it is what it is. There's no favoritism, believe me. Okay, yeah,

683
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 2: like if anyone knows, it's me like, it's just it's not.

684
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 2: It may look like that, but that's all in your head.

685
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 2: This is not happening, and believe me, standards in practice,

686
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: the show wouldn't go on for as long as it's

687
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 2: been going on if there was favoritism, Like that makes

688
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 2: no sense.

689
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, when I interviewed Ezrasosa, he was saying, and I

690
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: thought it was a really great way of thinking about

691
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: it for these newer fans. If something feels like favoritism,

692
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: it might be that the pro, because of all of

693
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: the experience that they have, is using all of the

694
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: tools in their tool belt in a better way than

695
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: another pro might be. That is not unsaved. That's not favoritism,

696
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: it's experience.

697
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 2: It can't even manipulate the music department like you can't

698
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 2: like it just so happens that they haven't done this

699
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 2: dance to this song that everyone loves like it's just

700
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 2: a Cohen's it really is.

701
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: But like for example with Mark last night and popular,

702
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,719
Speaker 1: Mark having being a musician, was able to sit with

703
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: the music department, but everyone can, you know, totally, that's

704
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: my point. But he knows how to do it. I'm

705
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: not saying it's fair. I'm saying that's a tool in

706
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 1: his tool belt as a musician and a dancer to

707
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: say here's how I think this would sound the greatest.

708
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: And if someone else doesn't have that ability, that's not unfair.

709
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: That's why should Mark not use his skills to help

710
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: make his dance come alive. There's that's creative.

711
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 2: And even if you don't like I have, I mean

712
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 2: I played, I was forced to play the piano when

713
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 2: I was younger. But that's as far as it goes.

714
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 3: I mean you could still work with totally.

715
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 2: The orchestra, the band. I mean they actually want that now.

716
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 2: It's about I think some of the maybe new newer

717
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 2: dancers might just be a little shy, and that's okay,

718
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 2: like to ask you know, you know you don't want to.

719
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 2: I just know that. Like everyone's like on their best

720
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 2: behavior too, and then we don't want to extra any

721
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 2: Everyone wants to be a team, of course, and I

722
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 2: think that it'll you know, it'll happen like as you

723
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 2: experienced the show and you know, as the pros come back,

724
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 2: like it's you can't take the experience away from somebody though.

725
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 2: And that's the thing. We even know. I even know

726
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 2: what's in their storage as far as props go, So

727
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 2: like I'm like, okay, wait, we can use this from

728
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 2: storage That's.

729
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: My point is that you having a wealth of knowledge

730
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: and experience and being and knowing that you can ask

731
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 1: for it is not an unfair advantage.

732
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 2: It just ask what's the worst that could happen? They say, no, exactly, Okay.

733
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

734
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: Another very hot topic this year is online discourse. We

735
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 1: have entered an era where the thin line between being

736
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: a big sam and engaging in toxic discourse has never

737
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: been thinner. Yeah, what have been your thoughts watching along

738
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: as the show hits new social media milestones, both good

739
00:35:59,239 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 1: and bad.

740
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 2: Reading the comments, I mean, also just personally right, I've

741
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 2: noticed that it's been on a whole other level. Now,

742
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 2: I remember back in two thousand and six, we weren't

743
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,760
Speaker 2: dealing with social media. We were dealing with the message boards.

744
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 2: You were just as cruel. Actually, my mother would send

745
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 2: me them. I'm like, first of all, don't do that

746
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 2: one thing too. Yeah, let's just keep that to yourself,

747
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 2: thank you. But it is nasty, you know, the way

748
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 2: that people get dehumanized and the way people believe that

749
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 2: they are allowed to do that to others. Yes, what

750
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 2: kills me is women doing this to other women, right,

751
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 2: you know, and that and if my platform turns into

752
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: me trying to knock some sense into people and talking

753
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 2: about how we need to support each other rather than

754
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 2: go against each other. And I sound like a broken record,

755
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 2: so be it, because not everybody will stick up for

756
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 2: themselves in that sense. And it's a real thing. It's

757
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 2: a real thing. And whether you want to call it

758
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 2: bullying or just complete just it's shocking. It is shocking.

759
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 2: And I can't even block enough people. It's just too

760
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 2: many of them now, there's just too many. And so

761
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 2: that's what's sad is that the younger generation they're watching this.

762
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 2: Of course they're watching and but you know, like you

763
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 2: can't control everything, but you know, I will continue to

764
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 2: control what I can, which is my social media platform.

765
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 2: I mean, get off my platform first of all, if

766
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 2: you're gonna, if you're so, you know, And the way

767
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 2: that they come at the show as well, it's like,

768
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 2: you know, look, I appreciate the passion behind these TikTokers

769
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 2: make and you can see their engagement goes up. So

770
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 2: they can see their engagement goes up when they talk

771
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 2: about it, and they're going to have controversial opinions now

772
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 2: whether or not they believe it or whether or not

773
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 2: they're feeding into the engagement in the numbers is a

774
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 2: whole nother conversation. These people are not experts, No, they're not.

775
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 2: They're just saying something very controversial. They have a great

776
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 2: hook in their video and people are watching from beginning

777
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 2: to end. And that's about it. That's what you can

778
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 2: take from it, because you can't take anything unless this

779
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 2: person's a professional ballroom dancer. It's nonsense. It's nonsense.

780
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 3: You know.

781
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: I have a very good friend who is also a

782
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: very public figure, and one of the things he's talked

783
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: about and has has actually done in the past is

784
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: when someone leaves a really nasty comment or sends a

785
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: really nasty DM, replying, Wow, that really hurt my feelings.

786
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: That was hard for me to read, and I'm I

787
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 1: don't know if that's what you wanted me to feel,

788
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: but it really was very tough for me to read.

789
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: And every single time the response is I didn't think

790
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: you would even see this.

791
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 3: I didn't know. I'm so sorry. I am actually a

792
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 3: big fan. Every time the yeah.

793
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: It's really you know, in this in this world of

794
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: feeling like social media has made us more connected, I

795
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: think we are more isolated and alone than we've ever been.

796
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: And I think a large majority of those really nasty

797
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: comments or cries for a cries for help.

798
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 2: And it and in a negative, nasty way, they're finding

799
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 2: community within that. And look, there's also the beautiful side

800
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 2: of social media. Yeah right, there's also community. I mean

801
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: I used to be so good at stopping myself from

802
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 2: I never scrolled ever in my life, so like until recently,

803
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 2: until and then you know, obviously you need to respond

804
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 2: to people, and it's it's harder to I mean, you

805
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 2: can put this care content thing up, like I TikTok

806
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: what's bad now? Instagram is so bad right now? And

807
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 2: oh yeah for me it is. Yeah, And I actually

808
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 2: stopped posting on TikTok ily post like once a week randomly.

809
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 2: I used to do this day like it was like

810
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: multiple times a day. But I just don't trust. I

811
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 2: don't feel safe.

812
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you have a social media team or is

813
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 3: it just you?

814
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: One person who takes care of my YouTube only? Okay, okay,

815
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 2: editing that is, I do everything else. But it's a

816
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 2: full time job.

817
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 3: I mean obviously, yes, it is a full time job.

818
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 3: It's a full time job.

819
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: And I was just wondering because I know you and

820
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: I just have both talked about how authenticity is important

821
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 1: to us, and yet I also understand that the reading

822
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: of the comments is not good for our mental health.

823
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 3: And yet it's impossible to.

824
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: Get away from the idea that social media is now

825
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: a part of our jobs.

826
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 2: It's just isn't that crazy?

827
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 3: It's crazy, and there's no avoiding.

828
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 2: It's hard for the older generation who's commenting nasty as well,

829
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 2: to understand and wrap their head around it. Yeah, exactly.

830
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 2: You find a job of like this is man job? Thanks?

831
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you. I'm doing it. I promise I'm doing it.

832
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 2: I know, I know it doesn't look like I'm really

833
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 2: getting ready, but I am. Okay, so shut up, but

834
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 2: just listen to what I'm saying.

835
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 3: I want to know.

836
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: Going back to Dancing with the Stars, I want to

837
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: know what were your thoughts on Wicked Night.

838
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 2: I loved it? Yeah, I love John. I thought John

839
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 2: was a great addition.

840
00:40:58,640 --> 00:40:59,479
Speaker 3: Actually did too.

841
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 2: I just what do you love?

842
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 4: What?

843
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 2: Sorry? I hate to answer a question with a question

844
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 2: that I'm just curious. Do you have you found that?

845
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 2: What's helpful for you guys? As contestants standing there? What

846
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 2: would you like to hear from the judges.

847
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: I love to hear personally mm hm. Any sort of

848
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 1: feedback that is not going to be something that's only

849
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: attributable to that dance.

850
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 3: I'm never going to do that dance again.

851
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 1: I never know. I'm never going to do jive again ever,

852
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: for as long as I live, God willing.

853
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 3: And so if there's just like a.

854
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: Note about something that's very jive specific, just skip that one.

855
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 3: Because that's in my rear view mirror. I can't correct it.

856
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: But like Bruno during my jive did say that the

857
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: retraction of my kicks and flicks are going to come

858
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: into play in other dances, and sure enough it came

859
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: into play in the Argentine tango.

860
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 2: Oh Argentango.

861
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so it was like it was something I

862
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,479
Speaker 1: thought of when I was thinking about my my foot

863
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: retraction during some of those moves. When Kim gave me

864
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: the note of out, you know, practicing by putting a

865
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: pen in between my fingers to help me really and

866
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: I did, it was like both passion and I were

867
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 1: like that's a great idea, and so like that's that's

868
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: really good. When I was really I still struggle with

869
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: my shoulders and some Kim gave someone else. Imagine you

870
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: were carrying bags of cement. That's what you should see.

871
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: You want to feel like your hell kinds of very

872
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: direct that only, in my opinion, someone who's been a pro,

873
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: who's done it themselves can give.

874
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 3: You have taught you know you know what.

875
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: And you don't necessarily know what's going to work for

876
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: every person, but you have enough experience giving advice to

877
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: different types of celebrities. You have a wealth of knowledge

878
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Speaker 1: at your fingertips for what might be useful. That's why

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Speaker 1: one of the reasons I think you're going to be

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Speaker 1: such a fantastic addition to the judges.

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Speaker 2: Share thank you. You know, as I started the show

882
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Speaker 2: very young, so I didn't have a lot of teaching experience,

883
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Speaker 2: and it was interesting I involved when you asked if

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Speaker 2: I got help my my dance coach actually held my

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Speaker 2: hand through this process for the first few years of

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Speaker 2: learning just the language of trying to teach a pedestrian

887
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,479
Speaker 2: what ballroom technique is without using the word because words

888
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 2: are just words, like you can call it whatever the

889
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 2: hell you want, just do it, execute it right, like

890
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Speaker 2: we're just trying to get the execution going. Another tip

891
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 2: for you instead of thinking of shoulders down, think of

892
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Speaker 2: your spine that goes it doesn't stop here, right, stops here?

893
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Speaker 3: Okay.

894
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Speaker 2: And you know those balconies, those balconies when your nipples

895
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Speaker 2: you want to think towards the balcony this way, still

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Speaker 2: thinking of heavy luggage or cement, right okay. And then

897
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Speaker 2: also if it's not nipples but everything like notice I'm

898
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Speaker 2: not just doing that. I'm going I'm expanding my my

899
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 2: rib cage is out. You want to not look up

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Speaker 2: to the balconies. Don't do that right right? Then then

901
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: this happens. Then this happens with you. You don't want

902
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Speaker 2: this happened, right, You don't want to work in nine

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Speaker 2: starts here?

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Speaker 1: Oh I love that okay, top of the head spine.

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Speaker 2: And you can hold it a little mini apple is

906
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Speaker 2: what Len Goodman said. He would say, like you see,

907
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Speaker 2: get that little little mini apple, grab it from the top.

908
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Speaker 3: That's here, right, yeah, so it's here.

909
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Speaker 2: You just want to, like, you know, start holding your

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Speaker 2: drinks like this, like you know.

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Speaker 3: The good news is I do. That has not been

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Speaker 3: my problem.

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Speaker 2: Remembering you looked great last night, that was a thank beautiful.

914
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Speaker 2: But that's a different that's different.

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Speaker 3: It's totally different.

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Speaker 1: No, what we did a foxtrot, so I have I

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Speaker 1: had when we did our my second week with the

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Speaker 1: fox Trot, I I was that that hand there. Thankfully,

919
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Speaker 1: it feels very natural. I'm very I'm very girly with

920
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Speaker 1: my pinkies.

921
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Speaker 2: I'm like constantly.

922
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Speaker 3: Still, that is so funny.

923
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Speaker 1: Well, you have given me so many I mean my

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Speaker 1: final question was if you had one piece of advice,

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Speaker 1: but I can't even You've given me so many incredible.

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Speaker 2: That's not my advice, my advice. I want you to

927
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Speaker 2: mess up more. I want to see raw, I really do.

928
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Speaker 2: I want to I because I can forgive that there's

929
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Speaker 2: no perfection. There's no such thing as what is perfect.

930
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Speaker 2: There was no such thing, no such thing. Unfortunately I

931
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Speaker 2: thought there was, but there isn't. And you were like

932
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Speaker 2: this was like you were in it. You were laser focused.

933
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Speaker 2: And I don't know what your music? What's your music again?

934
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Speaker 2: For me, Walt, is it romantic or not romantic?

935
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Speaker 3: I with a smile, Lady Lady Gagon Bruno mars.

936
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Speaker 2: Okay, So I mean, are you does it make you

937
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Speaker 2: feel like because like I want you to embody this music.

938
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Speaker 2: You need to know this music inside and out, like

939
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Speaker 2: you could literally start it from the random spot and

940
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Speaker 2: you know exactly what you're doing one and two, you

941
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Speaker 2: just like you need to feel it because I need

942
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Speaker 2: to see that. I need to see your emotion through motion.

943
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Speaker 1: So so good, and you're right, because like certain dances

944
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Speaker 1: I've had every week, there's something a little different helps

945
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Speaker 1: me with that particular dance. Some weeks it is all

946
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Speaker 1: about knowing the counts, knowing the count forward and backward,

947
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Speaker 1: and Pasha being able to say to me, we're going

948
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Speaker 1: to take it from this, We're going to take it

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Speaker 1: from the seven I've learned in I learned in week

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Speaker 1: during our tango week. So the first week, one of

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Speaker 1: the first things he said to me was, you're going

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Speaker 1: to start counting this and I was like me, and

953
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Speaker 1: he was like, I've been counting, start paying it if

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Speaker 1: you're not, if you haven't been, start paying attention. And

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Speaker 1: then I was like, can we do it together? And

956
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Speaker 1: then we would count the dance together, and by the

957
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Speaker 1: time the day was over, I was dancing the dance

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Speaker 1: and counting it solo from beginning to end, and so

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Speaker 1: I was able to do that then with my chatcha

960
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Speaker 1: and last night I was the most present I've ever

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Speaker 1: felt in my body. But I was dancing on the

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Speaker 1: show No Counts.

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Speaker 2: So this is what I was going to say. But

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Speaker 2: ballroom is between a man and a woman. Yeah in

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Speaker 2: your case, right, yeah, a partnership where the man in

966
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Speaker 2: your in your case and in anyone's case this season,

967
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Speaker 2: a man leads the woman follows. Or it should look

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Speaker 2: like this, right, huh you the counts shouldn't. I don't

969
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Speaker 2: think should be a priority. I just don't. I just don't. Now,

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Speaker 2: do you need to know your Yes, you must know

971
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Speaker 2: your forwards and backwards. It's vital. But I think that

972
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Speaker 2: because you have such a short amount of time, you

973
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Speaker 2: need to embody. You need to like this music. Whether

974
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Speaker 2: you love it or hate it is irrelevant. Like totally,

975
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Speaker 2: I need to I need to feel you, girl.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 2: I love it, and don't fake it. Don't find something

978
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 2: real in your life that you can incorporate, right, like

979
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Speaker 2: find that emotion.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I I lied. I have one more question for you,

981
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Speaker 1: and maybe it's a two Maybe it's a two parter.

982
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Speaker 2: That's fine.

983
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Speaker 1: We mentioned Mark Ballas, who's back on the dance floor

984
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Speaker 1: this year. He's a master of the trade as are you.

985
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Speaker 1: Is there ever a possibility Cheryl Burr would come back

986
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Speaker 1: to the dance floor as a pro I mean never

987
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Speaker 1: say never, okay, never said that.

988
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Speaker 2: As my body saying yes, please, let's do this now. No, okay,

989
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Speaker 2: I mean I still have my body. Woman like, she

990
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Speaker 2: comes here and I don't live in La anymore, so

991
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Speaker 2: I live about a couple hours away and she drives here.

992
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Speaker 2: I mean, mind you, I pay her, but I'm sure

993
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Speaker 2: she's the only reason why I don't have hip replacements

994
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Speaker 2: because she gets into my scar tissue. It's pretty bad.

995
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Speaker 2: It's from all the you know, dancing, not just on

996
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Speaker 2: the show, but all the years, my whole life.

997
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, the second part of that question, if there

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Speaker 1: was ever another All Star season, who do you think

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Speaker 1: you'd choose?

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Speaker 2: Jack Osborne or Rob Kardashiya.

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Speaker 3: Really yeah, oh I love it. I love it so much.

1002
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 2: I just love them as human beings.

1003
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that's the thing you can't.

1004
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 2: Actually, maybe Rob, Rob needs to get out of that

1005
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 2: wherever he is. Where are you, Kardashia, Let's.

1006
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Speaker 3: Go come on out, Rob.

1007
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 2: He was so happy when he did the show, so

1008
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Speaker 2: and I was so happy for him.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that's such a beautiful thing you guys are

1010
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Speaker 1: able to do for people.

1011
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Speaker 3: Truly the pros.

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00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: I tell every one of them, you guys are really

1013
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: the stars. I mean that is That's the thing people

1014
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Speaker 1: don't know, Like the amount of patience and time and

1015
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Speaker 1: effort and just the amount of giving you have to

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Speaker 1: do for the entire length of time that you're on

1017
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Speaker 1: the show. It is just you're putting yourself on the

1018
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Speaker 1: back burner. You're making sure you're not the one who

1019
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: seems like the star of the dance. You have to

1020
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Speaker 1: figure out their limitations, you have to figure out what

1021
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 1: they're good at.

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Speaker 3: You have to highlight that. You have to choreograph in

1023
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 3: the morning. You're up until late, like you're a therapist.

1024
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: Sometimes you're you know, a physical therapist, to be like,

1025
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 1: what's bothering you?

1026
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 3: Here? Here's my person?

1027
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 2: Have you done this?

1028
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: Like the things you guys have to do and with

1029
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,720
Speaker 1: a smile and while being microphoned and on camera.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how. I really don't know how you

1031
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Speaker 3: guys do it.

1032
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Speaker 2: So sweet, But it's so sweet of you. Thank you

1033
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 2: for noticing that, because a lot of people don't even

1034
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 2: notice it.

1035
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Speaker 1: No, it is you are all true remarkable people, and

1036
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Speaker 1: the percentage of people who are even remotely capable of

1037
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Speaker 1: it is very tiny, and so you were a master

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Speaker 1: at it.

1039
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Speaker 3: And thank you for your service and for all of

1040
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Speaker 3: your years.

1041
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: And I cannot wait to see you in a judge's

1042
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: chair next week and to hear all of your thoughts.

1043
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,240
Speaker 3: I know you're going to kill it. I'm so excited

1044
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 3: for you.

1045
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm just nervous. I don't know if I

1046
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 2: can just say it in ten seconds, but hey, we're

1047
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 2: going to try to talk sound by its starting now.

1048
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what. I know you're capable of it.

1049
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: You just did a fantastic interview with me, and you

1050
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: are great on your own podcasts, you're great on social media,

1051
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 1: you're you're wonderful. So we are lucky to have you

1052
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: next week. I'm looking forward to it.

1053
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Speaker 2: Thank you, and girl, you got this one step, just

1054
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 2: one little step, one.

1055
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 3: Little step at a time.

1056
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Speaker 1: And next week, I just I'm gonna make sure you

1057
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: feel it. That's my goal. I want you to feel it.

1058
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Speaker 2: I feel it from I'm good.

1059
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:57,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm going to make you feel it. I promise,

1060
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 1: I promise. I'm going to think about it all week

1061
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: thank you so.

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Speaker 4: Much, Cheryl hell Pasha, I say hello, I most certainly

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Speaker 4: will okay, thank you byek you. Danielle with the Stars

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Speaker 4: Produced and hosted by Danielle Fischel. Executive producers Jensen Carp

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Speaker 4: and Amy Sugarman, Executive in charge of production, Danielle Romo, Producer,

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00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 4: editor and engineer Tara Sudbosch.

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Speaker 3: Theme song by Justin Siegel.

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Speaker 1: Follow us on Instagram at Danielle with Stars and vote

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Speaker 1: for me