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Speaker 1: your hand when I call your name. Ty Hildebrandt Dan Rubinstein,

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Speaker 1: both halves of the Solid Verbal podcast mentioned on this

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Speaker 1: It's my favorite college football pod. Gentlemen, how are we

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Speaker 2: We're doing well, man. Thank you for the invite. Thank

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Speaker 2: I am most looking forward to seeing who becomes this

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Speaker 3: I was about to say, TCU T this is why

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Speaker 4: TCU has a brutal schedule.

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Speaker 4: They're really bad against the run last year. They got

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm super high on Miami. I really like how

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Speaker 2: No, this is this is all true, and I like

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Speaker 3: I'm going to offer you one. By the way, I

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Speaker 4: This year.

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Speaker 3: You could say like, yeah, Caden Salter rips it at

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Speaker 3: I totally believe it. The best of him is one

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't know about about lump in West Virginia

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Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is if you put West Virginia

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Speaker 2: So the team he didn't mention, by the way, is Baylor.

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Speaker 1: Very well be my preseason conference.

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Speaker 3: By the way, and there's no like great argument against it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they got annihilated with chunk plays on defense,

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Speaker 4: I think you're right.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait.

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00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:50,159
Speaker 3: By the way, I can't wait to see what happens

437
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 3: with Penn State this year. You stole mine, you stole mine,

438
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,160
Speaker 3: Go ahead, Okay. My take with Penn State in this

439
00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:57,960
Speaker 3: moment is.

440
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:00,800
Speaker 4: We've seen this.

441
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 3: We've seen Penn State every year do what they do,

442
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,879
Speaker 3: don't do what they don't do. Like I can't believe

443
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 3: we're doing this again with Penn State. That I can't

444
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,679
Speaker 3: wait to see these games against Oregon, which we're going

445
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,640
Speaker 3: to be there. I can't wait to see Penn State

446
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:23,439
Speaker 3: against Ohio State in Columbus. And I kind of can't

447
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 3: believe we get to run this narrative back with Penn State.

448
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 3: Of they've got a good quarterback, they've got good coaches,

449
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 3: they've got a good schedule, they're returning a ton. Let's

450
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 3: see if they can win games against the best teams

451
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 3: on their snope. Okay, they didn't do it again, all right,

452
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 3: I just I can't believe we're so lucky as a

453
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 3: community that we get to try back this old story.

454
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,639
Speaker 2: Let me give you more of a nuanced take. Because

455
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 2: of the three of us, I am the Penn State

456
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:56,120
Speaker 2: grad YEA. What makes the Penn State situation, the narrative

457
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,399
Speaker 2: as a whole, so interesting is because Penn State is

458
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,879
Speaker 2: in a situation not unlike what Ohio State was in

459
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 2: a year ago. And that is of course, you're looking

460
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 2: at the national landscape, everybody is.

461
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 3: Technically Ohio State can't beat Ohio State either, So.

462
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 4: Well, there's that case in point.

463
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 2: But my thing here is Penn State clearly is one

464
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,360
Speaker 2: of the teams right now in the preseason.

465
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 4: That's all the rage and why not.

466
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 2: They've got so much back you can understand, even if

467
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 2: you're not betting on Penn State, you can understand why

468
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,439
Speaker 2: they are part of that conversation. So clearly that's the

469
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 2: thing you want. But much like Ohio State a year ago,

470
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 2: Penn State is also in the situation where the fan

471
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,640
Speaker 2: base as a whole is looking at one big game

472
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:39,640
Speaker 2: on the schedule, and for them and for us speaking

473
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 2: as an alum, beating Ohio State is representative of the

474
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 2: whole thing. There is this sense in the community that

475
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 2: Penn State cannot get that monkey off its back.

476
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 4: Oh, it's not just in the community, tie, it's everywhere.

477
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:52,360
Speaker 4: It's everywhere.

478
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 2: And so my point is just that Penn State can

479
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 2: go on to great things. I think, you know, the

480
00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 2: schedule is advantageous. They look like a ten and two

481
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 2: at worst caliber team this season. Barring any kind of

482
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 2: total collapse or disaster, they should be in that playoff

483
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,679
Speaker 2: and they should have another run at this thing. I

484
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 2: think there is a fair amount of assumption in the

485
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 2: Penn State world that that will come to fruition, and

486
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 2: everybody's cool with that. But the indicator, the indicator that

487
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 2: this thing is for real, is going to be when

488
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 2: they play Ohio State on the road in Columbus.

489
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:22,679
Speaker 4: They don't win that game, They're still going to.

490
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 2: Find their way into the playoff in all likelihood, but

491
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 2: that is the thing that the people that I talk

492
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 2: to in this universe are most focused on that game.

493
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 4: They want to get that one out of the way first.

494
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,719
Speaker 2: So how they deal with that narrative will be really

495
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,199
Speaker 2: interesting to see because this is a team that's for

496
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 2: all intentsive purposes loaded coming into the year, but just

497
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 2: kind of coming to grips with that if in fact,

498
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 2: they fall short against Ohio State, if in fact, they

499
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 2: fall short in any of these big games that they

500
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 2: got on the schedule, maybe Oregon when they come.

501
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 4: To town for the wide out. I don't expect that, but.

502
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,439
Speaker 2: That, to me, that just that sort of interesting twist

503
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,160
Speaker 2: with the way that the fan base, I think think

504
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 2: use the Penn State season should be fascinating to sea unfold.

505
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: The psychology amongst the global college football community is such that, yeah,

506
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 1: everything you just said, everything Dan just said. The people

507
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,919
Speaker 1: inside Penn State, to their credit, I guess they're not

508
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 1: trying to temper expectations. Like this past weekend. I talked

509
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: to several people up there and no, it's real, man,

510
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 1: Like we should do it this year. It's real. And

511
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, and I'm not necessarily disagreeing, But here's

512
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 1: the add on. So that's one layer of the cake

513
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 1: that's been there before. The next layer of the cake is,

514
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 1: at least perceptionally, there's not that insurmountable hurdle out there

515
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: for them. In years past, there was like a superpowered

516
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 1: Georgia or Alabama where you looked and said, well, they're

517
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,360
Speaker 1: not going to get past them, even if they do

518
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: get to whatever fill in the blank. There is not

519
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: that this year. So you're telling me you got your

520
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 1: best shot. Internally, I'm telling you the landscape is totally

521
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 1: muddy right now, and you already sort of got a

522
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: taste of it last year by getting in the playoff.

523
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: That it's the most unique I think competitive job pressure

524
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: in America this year, because it's not job security pressure.

525
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: He's not getting fired, but it's just this this kind

526
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: of very very fine window of championship. It's it's a

527
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: championship window. And if you're not ready to do it

528
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: this year, it's not the worst thing in the world

529
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 1: to be a ten win kind of periphery contender type,

530
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 1: but maybe that's all you ever are if you can't

531
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: get it done this year, and it all comes down

532
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 1: to these few moments. Even in those games, it's going

533
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 1: to come down to like some fourth and one, whether

534
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,719
Speaker 1: whether you like fight for six extra inches or not.

535
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: That's what your legacy is going to be determined by.

536
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: And you already know that now. You just don't know

537
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 1: the specifics of down distance.

538
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 2: When I would be very curious if you pulled your audience, Josh,

539
00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 2: people who care about Penn State, who are within the

540
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 2: Penn State community.

541
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 4: What is their view of a quote unquote successful season.

542
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 2: Is it beating in Ohio State or beating an Oregon

543
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 2: or winning a team against a traditional power for opponent

544
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 2: in the playoffs and acquitting themselves well, or is it

545
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 2: winning the national championship. My hunch is it's the former

546
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 2: as opposed to the latter. And I think what we've

547
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 2: seen elsewhere throughout the Penn State world, just with their

548
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 2: signals of intent, with going out and paying three point

549
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 2: one million dollars to bring Jim Knowles in, they didn't

550
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 2: necessarily need the best defensive coordinator in college football to

551
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 2: maintain a really high standard for defense.

552
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 4: But they're gonna do it.

553
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 2: They're going above and beyond, I think, to prove that

554
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 2: they can do it this year because they're loaded up

555
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 2: for this season, even some of the renovation work they're

556
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 2: doing on the stadium. There's just a lot of internal

557
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 2: intent that they are trying to move this thing forward.

558
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 2: They are trying to get over those proverbial humps, and

559
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 2: so there's definite reason for optimism, and I understand all that,

560
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 2: I share most of it, But just that question of

561
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 2: what is successful this season in the Penn State community

562
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 2: is I think, you know, one of the more intriguing

563
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 2: storylines that we're going to follow throughout the course of

564
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 2: the year.

565
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 3: I'll keep it personal. I'll go Dan Lanning Comma villain.

566
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to in twenty twenty five. So Dan

567
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 3: Lanning at Oregon, which is already a place that's polarizing

568
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 3: because some people love the uniforms and the style and

569
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 3: the innovation whatever, and some people look at it as

570
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 3: all flash and no substance. Dan Lanning in Oregon put

571
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 3: out the videos last year where they're showing clips of

572
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 3: inglorious bastards before beating Michigan, or they're you know, the

573
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 3: different themed videos, or Dan Lanning has the twelve man

574
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 3: on the field that they have to change the rules

575
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 3: regarding Dan Lanning jumps in a pool with the recruit,

576
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 3: which is seen, I think rightfully so as kind of

577
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 3: corny but kind of fun if the recruit likes it.

578
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 3: Recruit didn't stick with Oregon, to be clear, he couldn't

579
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 3: work out. He's ending, He's ended up, it seems. I

580
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 3: think in Austin people delighted in Oregon both beating Ohio

581
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 3: State and then fully collapsing against Ohio State in the playoff,

582
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 3: and I think it's crucial that this sport is clear

583
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 3: to have people you enjoy rooting for. And maybe that's

584
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 3: Oregon for you, it is for me. I went there

585
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 3: or rooting against and people didn't like Nick Saban because

586
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 3: they saw like how he left the Dolphins in the

587
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 3: NFL and what he's doing at Alabama and the sort

588
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 3: of the gruff demeanor on the sideline. They didn't like

589
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 3: Jim Harbaugh. I think to a you know, to some extent,

590
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 3: people feel that way against Dabo Fair or not, but

591
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 3: I don't think they feel it about Kirby Smart. I

592
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 3: don't think people have strong opinions about Sark across the country.

593
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 3: But I think Dan Lanning before the Colorado game with

594
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 3: they do it for clicks, we do it on the field.

595
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 3: Like I think there is a brashnist to him that

596
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 3: players respond to that has worked for that program. But

597
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 3: I like that he is seen in sort of like

598
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 3: a villainous way. And is he gonna cut the electric

599
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 3: grid in Iowa City this year? I don't know. Is

600
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 3: he gonna break up a marriage? I don't know, Like

601
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 3: what is the next step for Dan Lanning's villain this

602
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 3: tour in twenty twenty five. Can't wait.

603
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: That's delicious, Thank you, because you're right, there's no like

604
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: I would argue, there is no central voice, there's no

605
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: face of college football right now. I think people have

606
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: been very reluctant to accept that role since Satan, and

607
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: that's both positive and negative. You don't have an ultimate

608
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: heel out there, but you don't have a voice. You

609
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: don't have that guy than when he speaks, everyone else

610
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: shuts up. I think people have been reluctant to take that.

611
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: I'll go one for you here. I'm interested to see

612
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: what Michigan is on multiple fronts. So I'm interested to see,

613
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: you know, whether they can go to Oklahoma and win

614
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,479
Speaker 1: in Week two. But there's also this other cloud that

615
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: keeps hovering. And if you try, and you know, the

616
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: closer you get to football season, the more you just

617
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: want to talk about football and leave all the other

618
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: stuff you know outside. And for a large extent, I'm

619
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,959
Speaker 1: happy to do that with Michigan. We have this impending

620
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: NCAA matter that looks like it's gonna publicly play itself

621
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: out right about the time the season starting thereabouts, and

622
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: so I wonder, like if that goes against them. If

623
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: it really, like severely goes against them publicly, you got

624
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: coaches that have to serve added suspensions or their show cause,

625
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: or they have punitive measures taken against them. I'm skeptical

626
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: that that'll happen, but I could be wrong if all

627
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: that plays out as the backdrop of them going seventy five.

628
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: What's the conversation around Sharon Moore, You're two years removed

629
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: from Jim Harbaugh. Perceptionally, he left you a pretty full coboard,

630
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: not of the roster per se, but like the organization

631
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: was in a good spot. But now that's evaporated, and

632
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: we were winning games and playing for titles. Now that's evaporated.

633
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: There really are no proven commodities here that we can

634
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 1: fall back on and say, well, historically, this guy's got

635
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: job done. You don't really have that anymore. And what if, also,

636
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: your rival just won a national championship, which, oh, by

637
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: the way, they did, but you've got that one thing

638
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: to hold over them, which is we've got four straight

639
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: wins over you. But what if they come into your

640
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: building at the end of the year and that gets

641
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: a race too. It could really get uncomfortable and weird

642
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: in sideways from Michigan this year in a hurry.

643
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 3: By the way, that week's game, the Ohio State Michigan game,

644
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,719
Speaker 3: the game, and it's like the narrative game of the

645
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 3: conference portion of the season.

646
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 4: I think that.

647
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 3: Game is going to end in a seven to six

648
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 3: Michigan win or an eighty to thirteen Ohio State win.

649
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 3: Nothing in between, absolutely zero in between. Either Ryan Day

650
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 3: is exercising everything or Michigan is going to find a

651
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 3: way to become the most hateful boa constrictor of the

652
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 3: modern sport has ever seen.

653
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 4: That's my opinion, man.

654
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 2: I mean, realistically, Josh, realistically, what do you expect on

655
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 2: the NCAA side, Because I'm with you, I think I'm

656
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 2: skeptical that there's going to be a whole lot more

657
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 2: thrown at them. I do think there's probably some inclination

658
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 2: from the NCAA to flex its muscles a little bit,

659
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 2: to prove that it still has some clout in the sport,

660
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 2: which we know which has been dwindlinks sometimes by its

661
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 2: own decision. But like, what, what is a realistic expectation

662
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 2: for that?

663
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 4: In your view?

664
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: I don't think that there is any punitive action taken

665
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: against them that would impact the viability of Michigan moving forward.

666
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: By that, I mean there's nothing that's going to happen

667
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: to them that makes you less likely to want to

668
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: watch a Michigan football game. So if you want to

669
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: find them, which I believe they'll do, okay, show causes

670
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: for coaches. I believe that's very much on the table.

671
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: But really, when it comes to NCAA investigations, all the

672
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: normal fan wants to know is are you're gonna have

673
00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: a bowl ban or you're gonna have scholarship restrictions? Even

674
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: know that scholarship restrictions happen anymore or if they matter?

675
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: I don't think that postseason bands on the table at all.

676
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: And this is a fundamental disagreement I have with large

677
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: swats of the Ohio State shunbase. Not even I almost

678
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: remove what I think should happen, like what I think

679
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 1: is just and right ethically, we left that outside looking

680
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: in a long time ago. I think we have to

681
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: understand what the NC double A is. The NC double

682
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: A is something that exists as an enforcement arm to

683
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: serve at the behest of university presidents. The same university

684
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: presidents are the ones who collectively sign their name on

685
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: multi billion dollar media rights deals. So I just have

686
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: to ask myself, not getting conspiratorial at all. Just common

687
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,720
Speaker 1: sense tells me there's no way networks enter into multi

688
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: billion dollar agreements with university presidents and leagues who have

689
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: an enforcement arm that attaches to them. Why are about

690
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: to sit and watch those presidents allow their enforcement arm

691
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: to take measures against one of their most prized assets

692
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 1: that fundamentally deteriorates the viability and viewability of that asset.

693
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: That's not the way this works anymore. Whether it should

694
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: or not, I don't think that's the way this works anymore.

695
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: So whatever a slap on the wrist is, however many

696
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 1: millions of dollars that is, I think that's the modern

697
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: day version of the NCAA swinging the hammer. So I

698
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: don't think when that theme comes down, it's going to

699
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: be like the trains completely off the tracks. What are

700
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:34,919
Speaker 1: we going to do like it would have been twenty

701
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: five years ago if you had multiple level one violations.

702
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: Having said that, there are a lot of people who

703
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: strongly disagree with that. I don't know that anyone knows anything,

704
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: but there are people who pretty strongly disagree with that.

705
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: I just I'd have to see it to believe it.

706
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to happen. I agree with you,

707
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 2: and not to get conspiratorial, but and.

708
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 4: There have been coaching suspensions for making.

709
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 2: Sure yep, sure, I think something will be, something will

710
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 2: be levied upon Michigan. I don't think to your point, Josh,

711
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 2: it's going to be anything that truly impacts what we

712
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 2: see out there this year.

713
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 3: And I think something heavy would have to be drawn

714
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 3: out from a crazy bit of new evidence that yes,

715
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 3: Michigan had every single one of Ohio States practices in

716
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 3: four K on their servers, right, it was something on

717
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 3: that level. You're like, well, I guess they got to

718
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 3: hit them now. But beyond that, yeah, I think you're right.

719
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 4: I've got one I would love to know.

720
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: I would love to know in media rights deals and

721
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: I don't know this. I would love to know, is

722
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: their language that that almost like when I was working

723
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: in local TV, we didn't have a backup generator at

724
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: my station, which is just an insane existence when you're

725
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 1: running when you're the affiliate for NBC and you're running

726
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: playoff games for the NFL, to know that if your

727
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: power goes out, you have to return deliverable ad revenue

728
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: to local advertis because their ads didn't run. Is there

729
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: something similar baked into the language and legal ees of

730
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: media rights deals where we're paying I mean, in the

731
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: Big Ten, you're paying for about four teams and you're

732
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: taking the other. However, many if one of those four

733
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: by your own enforcement bodies mechanations suffers and is not

734
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: as visible and as not as worthy to be put

735
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: on national airwaves, do we get some of our money back?

736
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 1: I would love to know if that exists.

737
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's again to your point, it's an interesting

738
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 2: conversation of what should happen versus what realistically should happen

739
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: given the circumstances and kind of all these entanglements.

740
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: It's fascinating multiple level one violations should be a multi

741
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 1: year post season ban in a former lifefe. We just

742
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: don't live in that life anymore.

743
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 3: Yeah. We also kind of live in a reality in

744
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 3: which the Big Ten in Michigan, if they're handed down

745
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 3: something severe, might just say we disagree.

746
00:37:56,120 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 1: Nope, Nope, we're going to show up anyway.

747
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 3: We're gonna be wearing our amazing blue you know where

748
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 3: to find us. We're going to be there.

749
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 2: It's like when George Costanza got fired and just showed

750
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 2: up anyway.

751
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 3: Showed up.

752
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, I've got I've got a good one here. Okay.

753
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: Uh.

754
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 4: And maybe I'm the only one who's looking forward to this.

755
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 4: I don't know, but.

756
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 2: The overwhelming majority of college football fans aren't talking about

757
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 2: the seven teams in major college football that have thirty

758
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 2: five or more incoming transfers. Oh, talk about Okay, Purdue,

759
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 2: West Virginia, North Carolina, Oklahoma State, UCF, CAL, and Wake

760
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 2: Forest at least per twenty four to seven. Yeah, those

761
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 2: are the schools that have the most transfers this cycle.

762
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 1: Ty, do you know what Purdue's number is?

763
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 2: The total number is fifty four, and they've got sixty

764
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 2: nine new players in total if you include their high

765
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 2: school transfers, which is the most in college football.

766
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: The other day I talked to Barry Odom about this.

767
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: He said, I had thirty eight players in my first

768
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: team meeting in December. I will have eighty two of

769
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 1: one oh five as new players, either incoming freshmen or transfers.

770
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: Eighty two of his one oh five are new players

771
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: this year that we're not there accounting.

772
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 2: A year ago it's crazy, and so the reason that

773
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 2: I bring this up, obviously, this is sort of like

774
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 2: the new World Order of college football.

775
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 4: Everybody's taken a ton of transfers.

776
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 2: One of these teams is going to punch way above

777
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 2: preseason expectations. Most of these schools that I listed out,

778
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 2: maybe with the exception of North Carolina, and I.

779
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 4: Guess it depends how you feel about Oklahoma State.

780
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 2: But most of these schools I think are projected at

781
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 2: or near the bottom of their respective conferences. But without fail,

782
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 2: one of them will exceed expectations and no one will

783
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 2: have seen it coming, because how could you. There's no

784
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 2: way to project when you're dealing with that many new

785
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 2: We can't even agree on how many new players perdue

786
00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 2: has Josh right, So whenever you've got this incredible number

787
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 2: of new people coming in, it is an Indiana situation

788
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 2: where it is like Purdue and name only, UCF in

789
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 2: name only, it's an entirely new cast of characters, despite

790
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 2: the fact that they're wearing the same uniform. I'm just

791
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 2: really curious to see who that's gonna be. I guess

792
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 2: the easy answer would be to say North Carolina, because

793
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 2: there is a lot working in their favor, and I

794
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 2: think they got something.

795
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 4: Like seven four star transfers something like that.

796
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 2: I mean, clearly, Bill Belichick's got a name that people

797
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 2: are interested in. But I mean, would it surprise you

798
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 2: at all six months down the line to be like,

799
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 2: you know, cal actually was kind of interesting this past

800
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 2: year in a way that we didn't next their wake Forest.

801
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 2: You know, Jake Dickert was a GA once east of

802
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:46,240
Speaker 2: the Mississippi. Now he comes to wake Forest, a beautiful place,

803
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 2: a beautiful campus, and suddenly he just he kind of

804
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 2: makes it interesting in.

805
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 4: A way that we didn't see coming.

806
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 2: One of these seven teams is going to be there

807
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 2: at the very end of this thing, and we're going

808
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 2: to have that conversation, and I don't know who it's

809
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 2: gonna be, But I also don't know how to handicap

810
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 2: any of those schools that I just mentioned, So it's

811
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 2: going to be fascinating.

812
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: Was Southern Miss on that list?

813
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 2: Southern Miss is not on this list per se, but

814
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 2: Southern Miss is basically playing with the Marshall championship team

815
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 2: from a year ago because of Charles huff In that

816
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 2: whole situation with him coming down to take over at

817
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 2: Southern Miss. So that's another school where though they might

818
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 2: not be on like the top national line. With respect

819
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 2: to conversation, if you're looking at Southern Miss this year

820
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,760
Speaker 2: and you're wondering, is this a team that could contend

821
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 2: for a conference title, it's a big old shrug. We

822
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 2: have no idea what to expect from them either.

823
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: I picture people picking up the local like Hattiesburg newspaper, Allah,

824
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 1: the opening scenes in Major League.

825
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 2: Who are these other guys exactly exactly crazy?

826
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they're all getting to know each other

827
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 3: as we speak, right, eighty new guys in West Lafayette.

828
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 3: That's not a basket, that's a basketball tournament. That's yeah,

829
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 3: sixteen starting fives.

830
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 2: Check, by the way, check that I only had this

831
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 2: filtered based on power concoences.

832
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, Southern Miss does have fifty four incoming transfers. So

833
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 4: that's my bad.

834
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:15,439
Speaker 2: I need to learn how to work the internet here.

835
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 2: But yeah, they're another one that you know, we can

836
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 2: include them as the eighth team as part of this

837
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 2: conversation like a full on hockey line change.

838
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 4: Who the hell knows?

839
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 3: Sidebar. With regard to North Carolina bringing in, we have

840
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 3: not mentioned Bill Belichick specifically at I have no idea

841
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 3: what UNC is going to do this season. I don't

842
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 3: know what they're going to look like. I don't know

843
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 3: what their systems are going to be exactly. I don't

844
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 3: know who is going to shine who is not going

845
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 3: to shine of this. I am sure there's going to

846
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 3: be a moment, likely in September, likely early on in September,

847
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 3: where there's going to be a close up of Bill

848
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 3: Belichick's face in beautiful four K where you are going

849
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 3: to be able to read his face precisely, and the

850
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 3: words that you're going to be able to read on

851
00:42:55,239 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 3: his face are I think I'm working with children. I

852
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 3: think I might be working and I'm not gonna make

853
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 3: the easy joke here. I think I might be working

854
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 3: with adolescents who are making mistakes because they took the

855
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 3: SATs an hour and a half ago, they've been driving

856
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 3: for ten months, whatever, And I can't wait for that

857
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 3: realization to creep up pot across his face like a storm, like.

858
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: I mean, do you do you when? Do you think?

859
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: It happens that they lose a game and he just

860
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: goes scorched earth in the locker room and tells them

861
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: what they're about to be put through the next week

862
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: and somebody just leans in his ears says, we only

863
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: got twenty hours and a half week.

864
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, we need to we need to get them new wristbands.

865
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 3: We don't have time. Yeah, it's inevitable. Again, they could

866
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 3: go ten and two, they could go for and I

867
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 3: don't know what they're gonna do, but that look is

868
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 3: going to one hundred percent happen.

869
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 2: I think the other thing that I am most interested

870
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 2: in this year, and you know, on our show we

871
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 2: talk a lot about just to focus on things that

872
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 2: we just think everybody would find interesting that we at

873
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 2: least find interesting.

874
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 4: Oklahoma to me.

875
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 2: Is like, y oh yeah, for my money, the most

876
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 2: interesting story in college football. And there are a great

877
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 2: number of them that I could I could pull out

878
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 2: and I say, I like this about this team, and

879
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 2: I think this is interesting about another. But Oklahoma now

880
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 2: going out and getting Jometerier and Ben Arbuckle, playing the

881
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 2: schedule that they have to play, coming off the season

882
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 2: that they came off of, There's so many variables at

883
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 2: play with this team. There's a lot new The schedule

884
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 2: is just murder. This is another one of these schools

885
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 2: They're not necessarily taking fifty four transfers. But you could

886
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 2: convince me almost anything of Oklahoma. You can convince me

887
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 2: of ten and two, the same way you could convince

888
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 2: me of.

889
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 4: Six and six. I don't know what to expect.

890
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 2: I can't assume that job Matier is just going to hit,

891
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 2: even though he's an exciting prospect. There's a lot of

892
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 2: you know, it's playing an SEC schedule, so there is

893
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:54,959
Speaker 2: so much new there.

894
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 3: I'm glad you didn't make the wheels coming off joke

895
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 3: with Oklahoma too obvious. You are a classic guy for

896
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 3: doing that. Tie continue.

897
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 2: I'm just damn curious about Oklahoma, and I don't you know.

898
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 2: We could sit here and talk through two deeps and

899
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 2: schedules and all that, but the truth is, with so

900
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 2: much new, we're not going to know until the ruverer

901
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 2: meets the road.

902
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:18,240
Speaker 1: Sure, I've got them as a top ten caliber team,

903
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: but not factoring in schedule. When you factor in schedule,

904
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: it's a whole new ball game. I just don't think.

905
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: I don't think they were I think they had a

906
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: fatal flaw last year. I don't think of them as

907
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: a fatally flawed team. And if I conservatively think they're

908
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 1: gonna get top twenty defense this year, which I do

909
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 1: maybe better than that. Then, Man, I really think that

910
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: this entire concept of bringing an entire offensive combination in

911
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: an OC quarterback doesn't happen all that often. I'm like,

912
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 1: I'm very very high on them. I easily see them

913
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: in SEC Championship contention in late November. But you're right,

914
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: anytime you play the strength of schedule they do. There's

915
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: also the cliff dive mode that could be applied.

916
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 2: To Yeah, and you know you're you're right to point

917
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 2: out that when you get the quarterback offensive coordinator combo,

918
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 2: it always makes it just a little bit more interesting.

919
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 2: Like we saw them do it a couple of years

920
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,720
Speaker 2: back at Western Kentucky, right, Zach Kittley and Bailey Zappy.

921
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 2: That worked famously. Well, now we've got one here with Oklahoma.

922
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 2: They're trying Ben Arbuckle, they're trying John Mattier. Western Kentucky,

923
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 2: by the way, trying it again this year with Houston Baptists. Right,

924
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 2: So it's a I guess Ablie and Christian this year.

925
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 2: Whichever one it is. There are a couple of schools

926
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,760
Speaker 2: that I think are interested in that sort of combo play.

927
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 2: Maybe it can get the offense up and running a

928
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 2: little bit quicker. I guess we're gonna see it at

929
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 2: Utah is another example this season. So there are some

930
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 2: interesting spins on this whole transfer portal thing where it's

931
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 2: not just the player but also the coaches. And if

932
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 2: that's able to supercharge this offense in a quick way,

933
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 2: they're going to need it.

934
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 3: Deon Shador by the way, yeah.

935
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 4: Dean Shador, right, I mean we've seen it on a kid.

936
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 2: If Oklahoma is able to super charged that offense in

937
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 2: a quick way, which I think they need to do

938
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 2: in order to get off the mat here in the SEC,

939
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 2: it would be I mean, it ready is one of

940
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 2: the more interesting conversations in the country, but it would

941
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 2: make it all the more interesting if Oklahoma comes out

942
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 2: and they just sort of hit the ground running.

943
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 1: All right. I asked for forty five. We've gone over

944
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: forty five. So I'll wrap this up here with one more.

945
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: It's very very broad. We could actually go forty five

946
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,760
Speaker 1: minutes just on this one. But there is this huge

947
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 1: chunk of the SEC that, by my observation and estimation,

948
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: thinks that last year was an appetizer to this year's

949
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: main course and last year. Last year may have been

950
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: ten wins if you're Georgia and an SEC championship. Last

951
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: year could have been seven and five, and your Auburn,

952
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: but either of those think about this year as we're

953
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: going to level up this year, respectively. Okay, I've got

954
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: Florida in this bucket. I've got Georgia in this bucket.

955
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 1: I've got LSU in this bucket. I've got South Carolina

956
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: in this bucket. I've got Texas A and M in

957
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: this bucket. I've got Alabama in this bucket. I've got Auburn.

958
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: If I didn't mention them already, I am going about

959
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: half of the conference that thinks to themselves, because Texas

960
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: thinks that as well. By the way, so I have

961
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: got half the conference that realistically thinks last year was

962
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: okay because of what this year will be, and the

963
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: simple math and logic dictates you don't have enough wins

964
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: to go around. Many of you are going to play

965
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: each other, you don't have enough wins to go around.

966
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: My point is, I think for one or a couple

967
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 1: of those teams, there is a seven and five and

968
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: oh yeah, and I do not think like I said

969
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: when we were recording on your Guys's channel, I don't

970
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 1: think we've recalibrated our mentality nationally, but especially in the

971
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: SEC to account for the changes in the sport and

972
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: to account for the fact that seven and five may

973
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: be the new nine and three, especially if it's a

974
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: bunch of close losses. Seven to five could be the

975
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: new nine and three, because we absolutely know ten and

976
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: two is the new eleven and one. So I think

977
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: somebody in that group is going to have some really

978
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: stupid conversation around the head coach in December around the

979
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: changes that need to be made. And really all that

980
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 1: will have happened is they had some tough injury luck

981
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: and they lost some hard fought games, but they were

982
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 1: probably every bit the caliber that one of their nine

983
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 1: and three counterparts were.

984
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 3: Counterpoint we lost. We saw how Auburn lost some of

985
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,879
Speaker 3: those games last year. You can't go seven and five

986
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 3: in that exact same manner, right, you can't. There has

987
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 3: to be some sort of like, Okay, yes we went

988
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 3: seven and five, but look there were fifty to fifty

989
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 3: games and we beat X, Y and Z and they

990
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 3: were ranked in the top ten. Sure, I grant you that,

991
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 3: but I think manner does apply here where some of

992
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 3: these teams lost games or even one games the way

993
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 3: Florida beat Ole miss where you're just like, oh, I

994
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 3: don't know if we can count on Jackson dart Ish

995
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 3: interceptions plural in the last few minutes, Like that's that's

996
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:53,280
Speaker 3: the only caveat is you have to be putting forth,

997
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 3: you know, a pretty sincere performance in order to justify it.

998
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 3: But you're right that they're just like somebody's going to

999
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 3: be legitimately good and go seven and five or eight

1000
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 3: and four if something breaks their way. I happen to

1001
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 3: think Mike Elko is who Matt Rule fancies himself to

1002
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 3: be in twenty twenty five. That's my take that I

1003
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 3: think Texas A and M is quietly super interesting this year.

1004
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 3: But all of those teams you listed, by the way,

1005
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 3: you could say wildcard quarterback, wild card quarterback, wild card quarterback,

1006
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 3: wild card quarterback, or like DJ Lagway injured, we think

1007
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,359
Speaker 3: he's great, but oh yeah, I'm kind of wildcard, Like

1008
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,760
Speaker 3: I love that about all those teams you listed.

1009
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I'll leave you with this too.

1010
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 2: And it's sort of a semi related point here when

1011
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 2: we're talking through you know, seven and five being the

1012
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 2: new nine and three. There are a lot of teams

1013
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,959
Speaker 2: at the top of that conversation that have brutal schedules.

1014
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 2: There are also a couple that I think we think

1015
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 2: could be pretty good relative to the field, that have

1016
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 2: easier schedules. I'm looking at Old Miss as an example

1017
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 2: of that. I happen to think Ole Miss will still

1018
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 2: be pretty good. I don't know if they're going to

1019
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 2: be at the top of the conference, but could there

1020
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 2: be a situation, especially in this new world now where

1021
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 2: there's no divisions, there are more teams in all of

1022
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 2: these conferences where at the end of the year in

1023
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 2: the SEC season, we're looking at teams that are higher

1024
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 2: up in the standings, but in effect they're arguing amongst

1025
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 2: one another because one schedule is significantly easier than a

1026
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 2: team below them in the standings. I think there's real

1027
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 2: possibility for that this year again, we'll see there is

1028
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 2: a lot of wildcard potential with a lot of the

1029
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 2: quarterbacks I think on display in this conference. But it's

1030
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,280
Speaker 2: like we've evolved to this point now with major college

1031
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 2: football because the conferences are so big that there is

1032
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 2: just this raging conversation between within each conference. It's sort

1033
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 2: of like its own counterculture, which is pretty cool.

1034
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,319
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