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Speaker 1: All right, good morning, Crystal. How are you today?

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Speaker 2: Very well? How are you doing? Emily? Lovely to see

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Speaker 2: you as always.

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Speaker 1: It's great to see you. We have a girl show.

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Speaker 2: That's right. Sager out sick today, getting some needed rest,

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Speaker 2: and he will be back hopefully next week. So thank

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Speaker 3: Yeah, anytime. I'm not sure I believe that Sager's actually sick.

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Speaker 3: I think he's off. I don't know, Crystal, he could

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll find out, report back to you guys. In

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Speaker 2: the meantime. We have a great show plan for you today,

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Speaker 2: a lot to get into. We actually have a US

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Speaker 2: court that just found Biden may be in fact aiding

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Speaker 2: a genocide, but also saying there's nothing they can really

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Speaker 2: waiting on details of a potential hostage deal that's been

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Speaker 2: in the making possibly all week. We've got some new

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Speaker 2: swing state polls with more bad news for Joe Biden

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Speaker 2: in terms of his reelection prospects. Republicans are now looking

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Speaker 2: to impeach the Secretary of Homeland Security this over immigration.

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Speaker 2: There was a raucous tach hearing yesterday that we have

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Speaker 2: minds over Taylor Swift. I'm actually really interested to hear.

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Speaker 2: blatant lie over their desecration of cemeteries. This is a

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Speaker 2: So let's say get to this morning. Let's go ahead

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Speaker 2: Emily attempted to distance themselves from Iran, saying basically, like listen,

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Speaker 1: This was all.

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Speaker 2: Us, they said, I quote in the Islamic Republic. They

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Speaker 2: object to the pressure and escalation against the American occupation

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Speaker 2: forces in Iraq and Syria. And the Iraqi government is

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Speaker 2: taking credit for this move. We've talked before, there's some

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Speaker 2: what they're trying to push for is negotiations in which

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Speaker 2: So surprise potential result from this attack, which you know

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Speaker 3: Well, and to your point about having troops based there,

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Speaker 1: So you have to start asking the cost benefit question.

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Speaker 3: Is it worth the risk to have people stationed there

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and when at this point the US government can't

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Speaker 2: It's complete insanity.

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Speaker 1: It's complete insanity.

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Speaker 3: It's just proven if you look at you know, if

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Speaker 2: Forward to Yeah, well, I mean and it call comes

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Speaker 2: that's where all of these attacks or have any clear policy. Well,

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Speaker 2: that's true too. Well, the policy is unconditional support for Israel.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it is actually muddled as quite clear.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing.

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Speaker 3: Like they go back and forth, like they were talking

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Speaker 2: They want to do lip service to you know, their

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Speaker 2: And a majority at this point of Biden voters of

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Speaker 2: We're obviously directly involved in it. So on the one hand,

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Speaker 2: She was twenty four year old Georgian. And we have

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Speaker 2: President of the United States. Let's take a listen to that.

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Speaker 4: I I know there's nothing anybody can say or do.

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Speaker 6: I've been there.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know. Uh and by the way, we're reported,

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Speaker 1: Is the bus news i've heard today. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: You don't know how much that means to us.

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Speaker 4: Oh well, I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 6: It means A lot, a lot to me.

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Speaker 2: You know, these three, Emily, all three young black service members,

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Speaker 2: Army reservists from the state of Georgia. You know, they

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Speaker 1: That's it.

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Speaker 2: And it is the direct result of Biden's failed policy

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Speaker 2: It sounds despicable is the right word for it. Is

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Speaker 2: Axios that the State Department is going to conduct a

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Speaker 2: Let me read a little bit of the details here

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Speaker 2: and then I'll get Emily's reaction. I'll tell you what

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Speaker 2: I think about it. So Biden administration is linking possible

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Speaker 2: a pathway for the establishment of Palestinian state as part

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Speaker 1: First of all, post war strategy, what do you mean?

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Speaker 2: Maybe they'll put it together a white people proper at

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Speaker 2: some point in the future on possibly potentially recognizing Abi Meto. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: No, it's exactly what you were saying earlier, that the

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Speaker 1: I don't think it means much.

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Speaker 2: to the press that were uncomfortable. I think they'd played

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Speaker 1: This was their backup, So this is.

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Speaker 2: The new like, oh, we're really serious about a two

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Speaker 2: going to get to a two state solution. And it's like,

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Speaker 2: my question is, Okay, that's nice that you theoretically support

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Speaker 2: What will you do to achieve it? And based on

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Speaker 1: Even by their own logic.

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Speaker 3: I mean, so if they had said after October seventh,

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Speaker 3: You're rewarding an act of terrorism with recognition of Palestine.

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Speaker 3: So I just don't understand how Biden's even going to

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Speaker 3: but I mean, it just doesn't make any sense. It

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I understand why people would say that

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Speaker 2: that's another matter. At the same time, Netanyahu is facing

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Speaker 2: It hasn't worked a single time. The only time hostages

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Speaker 2: Of course, they horrifically murdered their own hostages, thinking that

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Speaker 2: That's right, that's the military approach has been a complete failure.

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Speaker 3: And a lot of that is actually coming from what

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Speaker 1: From one of them. We didn't feel like you knew

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Speaker 2: Well, and here's the thing. It's very clear, and actually

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Speaker 2: lot of attention, but here working its way through the

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Speaker 2: US courts accusing Biden of complicity in genocide. And we

439
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Speaker 2: actually just got a ruling yesterday that is pretty interesting.

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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 2: So a federal judge just ruled the Biden administration does

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Speaker 2: appear to be supporting a genocide. They go on to say,

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Speaker 2: but he must dismiss the case under the political question doctrine,

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Speaker 2: despite preferring otherwise. So this judge is saying, basically like,

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Speaker 2: because of the political quotes doctrine, I can't actually do

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Speaker 2: anything here. But he backs up the ICJ ruling which

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Speaker 2: found that Israel is plausibly committing genocide in the Gaza Strip.

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Speaker 2: Let me read you a little bit of the judgment

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Speaker 2: here so that you guys can hear the way that

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Speaker 2: this judge lays us out.

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Speaker 1: They say.

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Speaker 2: Similarly, the undisputed evidence before this court comports with the

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Speaker 2: finding of the ICJ indicates that the current treatment of

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Speaker 2: the Palestinians and the Gaza Strip by the Israeli military

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Speaker 2: may plausibly constitute a genocide in violation of international law.

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Speaker 2: Both the uncontroverted testimony of the plaintiffs and the expert

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Speaker 2: opinion profit at the hearing on these motions, as well

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Speaker 2: as statements made by various officers of the Israeli government,

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Speaker 2: indicate the ongoing military siage in Gaza is intended to

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Speaker 2: eradicate a whole people and therefore plausibly falls within the

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Speaker 2: international prohibition against genocide. It is every individual's obligation to

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Speaker 2: confront the curren siege in Gaza. But it also is

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Speaker 2: this court's obligation to remain within the meets and bounds

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Speaker 2: of its jurisdictional scope. In conclusion, the judge rights, there

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Speaker 2: are rare cases in which the preferred outcome is inaccessible

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Speaker 2: to the Court. This is one of those cases. The

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Speaker 2: Court is bound by precedent and the Division of our

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Speaker 2: coordinates branches of government to abstain from exercising jurisdiction in

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Speaker 2: this matter. Yet, as ICJ has found it is plausible

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Speaker 2: that Israel's conduct amounts to genocide, this Court implores defendants

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Speaker 2: that would be Joe Biden to examine the results of

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Speaker 2: their unflagging support of the military siege against the Palestinians

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Speaker 2: in Gaza. So basically, you know, this is kind of

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Speaker 2: a mixed bag emily for the Biden administration. On the

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Speaker 2: one hand, that just says, listen, I can't do anything

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Speaker 2: because of the political questions doctrine. But to have an

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Speaker 2: American judge rule that the ICJ is correct and implore

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Speaker 2: Biden directly to cease his aid of what may well

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Speaker 2: be a genocide of the Palestinian people is nonetheless a

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Speaker 2: pretty extraordinary outcome.

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Speaker 3: And a refresher on the political questions doctrine. I pulled

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Speaker 3: up ballot PDIA here they write, the traditional expression of

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Speaker 3: the doctrine refers to cases that courts will not resolve

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Speaker 3: because they they involve questions about the judgment of actors

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Speaker 3: in the executive or legislative branches, and not the authority

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Speaker 3: of those actors, so Biden himself. People who are making

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Speaker 3: decisions at the Pentagon, they say, for example, cases involving

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Speaker 3: foreign policy or impeachment often raise political question concerns. So

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Speaker 3: foreign policy, which is so heavily controlled and influenced by

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Speaker 3: unelected people at the Pentagon, at the Department of Defense

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Speaker 3: more broadly, by people in the executive branch right fall

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Speaker 3: under the political questions doctrine, which is pretty interesting in

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Speaker 3: this context where you have a court decision by the

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Speaker 3: ICJ that's in question, it makes sense, and that it

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Speaker 3: doesn't make sense because again you have a court decision

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Speaker 3: that you're talking about. So is an interesting really for sure,

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Speaker 3: And this doesn't make anything better for Joe Biden.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and theyre have another challenging situation that's going to

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Speaker 2: unfold this week, which is the ICJS set to rule

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Speaker 2: on another case, this one not about Israel, about Russia

501
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Speaker 2: and Ukraine, and so the US has they I mean, again,

502
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Speaker 2: the level of gas lighting from this administration is outrageous.

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Speaker 2: First of all, they tried to say, well, you know,

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Speaker 2: the ICJ didn't find that Israel was guilty of committing

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Speaker 2: a genocide. Well no, shit, that wasn't the question that

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Speaker 2: was before them right now. So they've completely tried to dodge.

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Speaker 2: They said, oh, actually the ICJ backs up our position

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Speaker 2: on you know, Israel and Gaza, and that which is

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Speaker 2: you know, insane. If you read the ruling, it's the

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Speaker 2: total opposite of what the US has been claiming and

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Speaker 2: the support that the US has been giving to Israel.

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Speaker 2: But put this up on the screen. So judges at

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Speaker 2: the World Court are going to hand down a judgment

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Speaker 2: this week in a case in which Ukraine accused Russia

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Speaker 2: of violating an anti terror treaty by funding pro Russian forces,

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Speaker 2: including malicious who shot down a passenger jet. And the

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Speaker 2: reason this is uncomfortable emily for the US obviously is

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Speaker 2: you can't, on the one hand, be like yay, ICJ,

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Speaker 2: I agree with your ruling when it comes to Russia.

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Speaker 2: But Boo, ICJ, I disagree with your rule and I'm

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Speaker 2: not going to abide by it. When it comes to Israel.

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Speaker 2: You don't get to pick and choose, of course, I

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Speaker 2: mean you shouldn't be able to pick and choose, but

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Speaker 2: of course they will pick and choose. And it just

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Speaker 2: becomes blatantly obvious the level of hypocrisy and how they

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Speaker 2: just use international law for their own ends. When it's convenient,

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Speaker 2: they oh, yes, the international rules based order, and when

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Speaker 2: it's not convenient, then they just ignore it. And even

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Speaker 2: beyond ignoring it, the fact that in the wake of

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Speaker 2: the ICJ saying Israel must increase humanitarian aid to Gaza,

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Speaker 2: people are starving to death and you must do better,

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Speaker 2: and our response on that very same day is to

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Speaker 2: cut funding to the number one aid agency on the

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Speaker 2: ground in Gaza to the benefit of the Palestinian people.

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Speaker 2: It's not just in we're going to ignore the ruling,

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Speaker 2: it's we are actively going to flout and some our

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Speaker 2: nose that they're ruling.

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Speaker 3: And I think this is where we were talking about

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Speaker 3: this yesterday. When you're picking and choosing from the international

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Speaker 3: rules based order, and you're also doing it with that

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Speaker 3: sort of uh sanctimony that is seen, especially in a

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Speaker 3: lot of the Arab world as that kind of hubris

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Speaker 3: Western hubris.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that I think is where it gets.

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Speaker 3: I find it extremely grating and I can only imagine

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Speaker 3: how people experience it in other parts of the world,

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Speaker 3: because it is, I mean, it's what fosters animosity towards

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Speaker 3: the United States that on the one hand have this

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Speaker 3: arrogance about the international rules based order and then on

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Speaker 3: the other hand, and we see this happening also, like

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Speaker 3: it happens with climate stuff too, that you know, the

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Speaker 3: West benefited from all these fossil fuels and all of that,

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Speaker 3: and then no, well we're cutting it off when it

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Speaker 3: gets to you know, people in different parts of the world,

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Speaker 3: Like it's just the arrogance and the hubris. We've had

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Speaker 3: decades now of experiencing what kind of animosity that fosters

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Speaker 3: in other parts of the world, and it's really it's

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Speaker 3: a lesson that's so obvious, but it has not been

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Speaker 3: internalized whatsoever. They still have that sanctimony. They still think

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Speaker 3: that what they're doing is totally like totally above board

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Speaker 3: and if you criticize it, you're just a hater and

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Speaker 3: a bigot.

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Speaker 2: Well, and this is why when it came to Russia

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Speaker 2: and Ukraine and the Biden administration was all, you know,

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Speaker 2: talking about the international rules based order every other day,

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Speaker 2: and you know, making these grand appeals to ideals and

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Speaker 2: to democracy and Mike doesn't make right, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: And they were very clear they back then they knew

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Speaker 2: what a war crime was. They were able to call

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Speaker 2: it out. They were comfortable calling it out. There's a

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Speaker 2: reason why most of the world looked at that very

572
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Speaker 2: skeptically and were like, you don't care about these grand

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Speaker 2: principles that you claim to be supporting. That's not what

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Speaker 2: this is ultimately about. And now that you see our

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Speaker 2: support for Israel and all this, you know, at the podium,

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Speaker 2: whether it's Matthew Miller or John Kirby or whoever, the

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Speaker 2: you know, propagandist spokesperson spin master of the day is

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Speaker 2: when they get asked about very specific incidents of hey,

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Speaker 2: you know, how do you feel about people going in

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Speaker 2: soldiers going in dressed as women, in as medics and

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Speaker 2: point blank assassinating wounded people in the hospital, Like, how

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Speaker 2: do you feel about that? It's all this, you know, oh,

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Speaker 2: I didn't see it.

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Speaker 1: We don't know.

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Speaker 2: We call on them to follow the rules of war,

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Speaker 2: they can't say when it comes to Israel, And so

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Speaker 2: you see this gigantic, glaring hypocrisy. And doctor Tree de

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Speaker 2: Parsi has been pointing out that, you know, there's a

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Speaker 2: reason why in recent months I don't talk so much

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Speaker 2: about the international rules based order anymore, because it's just

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Speaker 2: so clear that they only accept it, and they only

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Speaker 2: use it when it serves them, when it serves their interests,

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Speaker 2: and when it's inconvenient. It's like it doesn't exist at all.

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Speaker 3: Well, the hospital thing is a great example of where

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Speaker 3: if you think that you should flo out the international

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Speaker 3: rules based order, criticize the international rules based order.

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Speaker 1: Don't pretend and lie and say you're upholding the Internet

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Speaker 1: sal like. Just criticize it.

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Speaker 3: But they won't because it's used as a weapon and

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Speaker 3: a bludgeon, as a way to bludge in other countries

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Speaker 3: in a very useful way for the West. So they

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Speaker 3: won't criticize it because they know as soon as they criticize.

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Speaker 1: It, it means it won't be useful down the lot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. At the same time, I don't want

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Speaker 2: to lose sight of the big picture of what's unfolded

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Speaker 2: in Gaza. And we have a new investigation in The

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Speaker 2: Guardian did a great job in terms of satellite analysis

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Speaker 2: of the level of devastation and the you know, unprecedented

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Speaker 2: bombing campaign that has leveled so much civilian infrastructure in

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Speaker 2: the Gaza Strip. We can put this up on the screen,

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Speaker 2: so they have colored in red here buildings that have

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Speaker 2: been destroyed or damaged, and I mean you can see

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Speaker 2: the entire north of Gaza is basically destroyed.

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Speaker 1: I'm surprised it's not more, to be honest, I mean.

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Speaker 2: It's it's insane, this level of devastation. You know, there

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Speaker 2: have been other analyzes that have found this is more,

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Speaker 2: you know, by square footage than the bombing campaigns in

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Speaker 2: Dresden and other sort of like historically massive bombing campaigns.

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Speaker 2: They found between half and sixty two percent of all

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Speaker 2: buildings in the entire Gaza Strip have likely been damaged

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Speaker 2: or just destroyed. You can see, we can we have

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Speaker 2: a couple of neighborhood zoom in's that you can see

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Speaker 2: to see some of the additional you know, devastation just

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Speaker 2: on a block by block nature you can see even farmland, greenhouses,

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Speaker 2: things of that nature have been destroyed as well. This

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Speaker 2: is one of the denser areas of destruction that you

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Speaker 2: can see in the Gaza Strip. And so you know,

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Speaker 2: already at this point, even if it ended today, the

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Speaker 2: idea that people could just go back to their homes,

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Speaker 2: there's there's nowhere to go back to. You have the

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Speaker 2: almost the entire population of the strip that has been

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Speaker 2: displaced at this point. The bulk of the population lived

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Speaker 2: in northern Gaza, which is where Gaza City was, and

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Speaker 2: you know, there's there is very very little to go

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Speaker 2: back to, whether it is apartment blocks, whether it's schools,

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Speaker 2: whether it's refugee camps, universities, the Parliament building, hospitals, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: There's been a sort of totality level of destruction of

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Speaker 2: civilian life, and at the same time time the devastation continues.

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Speaker 2: This is something Ryan had really highlighted from the beginning

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Speaker 2: and had Zion from the beginning. The potential spread of

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Speaker 2: communicable diseases because of the crowded circumstances and the lack

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Speaker 2: of sanitation and critically the lack of food, and the

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Speaker 2: fact that eighty percent of the starving people in the

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Speaker 2: world right now are in this tiny, crowded enclave of

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Speaker 2: the Gaza Strip. You have a un official once again

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Speaker 2: sounding the alarm about the number of people who are

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Speaker 2: in crisis with regard to their food levels. Let's take

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Speaker 2: a listen to that.

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Speaker 8: Well, first, let's see what's going on with the Pastidian people.

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Speaker 8: Every single person in Gaza is hungry. One quarter of

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Speaker 8: the population is starving, and famine is imminent. We've never

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Speaker 8: seen a population go hungry so quickly and so completely.

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Speaker 8: And the reason is, first of all, humanitarian aid is

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Speaker 8: being blocked. It's not reaching people in Gaza quickly enough

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Speaker 8: and to an adequate amount. It's just trickling in. Second,

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Speaker 8: to follow up on your point, the food system is

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Speaker 8: being destroyed. What we know is that Israel has destroyed

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Speaker 8: of twenty two percent of agricultural land in northern Gaza,

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Speaker 8: and as Israeli forces move south, they're destroying more and

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Speaker 8: more agricultural land, greenhouses and orchards. Seventy percent of fissure

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Speaker 8: boats have been destroyed, so people don't have access to

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Speaker 8: the sea, and this is a long standing problem. There

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Speaker 8: was a sixteen year blockade, so Gozzins were experiencing food

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Speaker 8: and security before the war, so it was already a

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Speaker 8: precarious situation. And civic infrastructure has been destroyed. People don't

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Speaker 8: have the necessities of life. Their homes are destroyed, hospitals

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Speaker 8: are destroyed, All civil infrastructure is being destroyed. And you

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Speaker 8: combine all of this, and this is why we have

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Speaker 8: this profound risk of famine in a way that we

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Speaker 8: haven't seen before.

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Speaker 2: Dozens are eating grass and drinking contaminated water in a

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Speaker 2: desperate attempt to survive. At this point is the context

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Speaker 2: in which the US is now cut funding to the

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Speaker 2: main on the ground AID organization, along with some twelve

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Speaker 2: or thirteen other countries around the world, and in which

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Speaker 2: also the Israeli government has been allowing these protests to continue.

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Speaker 2: There are blocking AID trucks, the few small trickle of

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Speaker 2: AID trucks that are even allowed to go into the

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Speaker 2: Gaza strip, they've been blocking them from being able to

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Speaker 2: go in. So it is a desperate situation on the ground.

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Speaker 3: A desperate situation, and as we discussed yesterday, you have

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Speaker 3: hamas returning to northern Gaza.

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Speaker 1: So from any metric, this has not.

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Speaker 3: Been a successful operation. That's the tragedy of it. There

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Speaker 3: are still hostages who have not been rescued. There is

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Speaker 3: Hamas activity in the area that was supposed to have

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Speaker 3: been devastated for the purpose of quote eradicating Hamas. And

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Speaker 3: we are barely what four months, not even four months

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Speaker 3: past October seventh, and Hamas is back in northern Gaza.

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Speaker 3: So all of this has been unsuccessful. That's the big tragedy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that is one of the tragedies of

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Speaker 2: this situation. Of course, I would say the goal was

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Speaker 2: never really eradicate Hamas, which has always been a ludicrous

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Speaker 2: idea that that would even be possible through any sort

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Speaker 2: of military solution. I mean, you had Tony Blinkin himself

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Speaker 2: saying there is no military solution to Hamas. So I

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Speaker 2: would submit that this devastation was actually the goal, and

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Speaker 2: the grander goal, which is laid out very clearly. I'll

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Speaker 2: be taking a look a closer look at this in

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Speaker 2: my monologue today. By people likes Mootrich, by people like

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Speaker 2: Ben Givie is keep pushing people south in the Gaza strip.

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Speaker 2: Now they're all effectively some million plus people clustered in

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Speaker 2: Ratha right on the Egypt border, and eventually try to

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Speaker 2: push them entirely out through quote unquote voluntary migration, which

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Speaker 2: is I'm going to start with you in bomb your

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Speaker 2: house house until you're forced to.

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Speaker 1: Leave, like you said, just a completely desperate situation.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's go ahead and get to some domestic

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Speaker 2: politics here. We've got some new polls to chew on,

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Speaker 2: which obviously ties into some of what we're talking about

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Speaker 2: here with the Biden administration policy towards Israel. So put

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Speaker 2: this up on the screen. Some new Morning consulted polling

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Speaker 2: of swing states. Trump is leading Biden across every single

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Speaker 2: swing states. The swing state they polled here seven different states.

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Speaker 2: You've got North Carolina Trump's up by ten, Nevada, Trump's

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Speaker 2: up by eight, Georgia, Trump's up by eight, Wisconsin Trump

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Speaker 2: is up by five, Michigan Trump is up by five,

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Speaker 2: Pennsylvania Trump is up by three, Arizona Trump is up

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Speaker 2: by three. Biden, of course, winning all of those states

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Speaker 2: last time save for one, save for the state of

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Speaker 2: North Carolina. And I mean, there's a lot that goes

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Speaker 2: into this, Emily, you can't pinpoint one particular factor, but

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's any doubt that the fact that

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Speaker 2: Biden's policy towards Israel is so dissonant from the Democratic base.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not just talking about young people, and I'm

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Speaker 2: not just talking about Arab Americans or Muslim Americans who

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Speaker 2: you know overwhelmingly went for Biden. All three of those

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Speaker 2: groups overwhelmingly went for Biden last time. But as I

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Speaker 2: mentioned earlier, you have a majority Biden twenty twenty voters

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Speaker 2: who say this is a genocide. There is an overwhelming

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Speaker 2: majority of Biden voter's, actually an overwhelming majority of voters

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Speaker 2: period in the country who say we want a ceasefire,

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Speaker 2: and yet the policy continues. So you have that, you

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Speaker 2: have you know, all of the continued upset concerns about

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Speaker 2: like Ken this man even live through another four years.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't help his case. There's concerns, you know, from

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Speaker 2: some swing voters about immigration, we'll talk about that. There's

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Speaker 2: huge concerns about the economy and where things are heading there,

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Speaker 2: and just a complete sense of both despair and malaise

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Speaker 2: and outrage over some of the policies that have really

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Speaker 2: dragged him down and made it so that even someone

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Speaker 2: who is as hated and disliked as Donald Trump as

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Speaker 2: a real shot to.

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Speaker 3: Beat him, which again is a great explanation for the

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Speaker 3: Axios post that we talked to out with them flirting

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Speaker 3: with the idea of maybe at some point recognizing a

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Speaker 3: pouse Dadi R eight earlier they show and those numbers

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Speaker 3: are very interesting because in a state like Wisconsin, you

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Speaker 3: have the sort of urban areas that are Democratic strongholds.

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Speaker 3: So a place like Madison, huge college town, place like Milwaukee,

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Speaker 3: you can see and you could understand why the administration

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Speaker 3: and the campaign is probably freaking out about these numbers

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Speaker 3: right now because exactly what you just said. If Goza

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Speaker 3: becomes a priority for voters and voters think so, those

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Speaker 3: two things have to happen. If it's a priority for

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Speaker 3: people when they go to the pull the lever cast

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Speaker 3: their vote, then that's a problem because step B is

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Speaker 3: that the polling finds that a lot of the Democratic

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Speaker 3: voters are really unhappy with the Biden policy to the

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Speaker 3: point where they would consider it a facilitation of genocide.

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Speaker 1: So when you combine those two.

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Speaker 3: Things and you see some of these Midwestern swing states

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Speaker 3: that rely heavily on a college vote for Democrats. If

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Speaker 3: you want to win a swing state, you need that

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Speaker 3: college vote to come out good for you. That happened

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Speaker 3: for Democrats in twenty twenty two. They got young voters

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Speaker 3: to come out in states like Pennsylvania. Ryan crunched them

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Speaker 3: the numbers on that and it was really convincing. States

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Speaker 3: like Wisconsin, you have the cities that tend to be

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Speaker 3: Blue strongholds.

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Speaker 1: That's going to be where you're losing support over the war.

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Speaker 3: The war in general though, for voters, independent voters, not

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Speaker 3: even just like reliable Democratic voters who might be upset

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Speaker 3: or just stay home.

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Speaker 1: That's another thing people can do. In college towns.

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Speaker 3: Those reliable or those independent voters are looking what's happening

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Speaker 3: in the Middle East and whether or not they agree

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Speaker 3: with the genocide designation. Three service members were just killed

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Speaker 3: in Jordan, and the administration says that there's no broader war.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there is a sense of chaos and the world

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Speaker 2: on the brink. And it's not just a sense. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think that is the absolute reality.

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Speaker 3: Two hot wars Ukraine. This will be the first presidential

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Speaker 3: election since that hot war broke out, and now the

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Speaker 3: same other in Pausen.

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Speaker 1: You have the same thing under Biden's watch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and here's the thing. I'm under no illusion that

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Speaker 2: the majority of voters are going to be basing their

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Speaker 2: vote on what is happening and what our policy is

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Speaker 2: with regard to Israel. But it kind of reminds me

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Speaker 2: of one of these litmus test issues that are highly

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Speaker 2: motivating for a small group of voters. And when you're

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Speaker 2: talking about in any national election now between the two parties,

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Speaker 2: it's going to be razor thin. That's just how our

795
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Speaker 2: polarization works at this point. So when you're talking about

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Speaker 2: these small margins, you know a few percentage point of

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Speaker 2: young people saying I cannot support a man who is

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Speaker 2: backing a genocide, or I'm just going to stay home,

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Speaker 2: or I'm going to vote third party. That in and

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Speaker 2: of itself could be the difference in a number of

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Speaker 2: swing states. You'll recall, I mean, Biden had a pretty

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Speaker 2: decent electoral college margin over Trump last time, but if

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Speaker 2: you look into these dates like Georgia that was a

804
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Speaker 2: very thin victory, Arizona very thin victory. It does not

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Speaker 2: take many votes going in the other direction to totally

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Speaker 2: flip those results. And that was at a time when

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Speaker 2: Trump was in office and everybody had a daily reminder

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Speaker 2: of how terrible and chaotic and like stressful his administration

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Speaker 2: was so even though it's kind of ironic because usually

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Speaker 2: incumbency confers certain advantages. Actually, I think for Trump, not

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Speaker 2: being an incumbent is an advantage because you can it's

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Speaker 2: easy for people to forget on a visceral basis what

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Speaker 2: it feels like to have this man in charge of

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Speaker 2: our government every single day, or.

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Speaker 1: They can also compare it to Biden.

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Speaker 3: So like on the right, there are a lot of

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Speaker 3: people who are now like, screw it, mean tweets, I'll

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Speaker 3: take the mean tweets over whatever else. And I you know,

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Speaker 3: that's not my rationale because I think you can't really

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Speaker 3: disconnect the crazy, chaotic mean tweets from the policy. Right,

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Speaker 3: he was making policy with the tweets, So I don't

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Speaker 3: necessarily buy into that bifurcation.

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Speaker 1: But a lot of people have been sort of like

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Speaker 1: using that refrain on the right.

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Speaker 3: Whether that starts to land with independence and Democrats, I doubt.

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Speaker 3: But if you're voting on the economy, if you're voting

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Speaker 3: on the Middle East, Donald Trump is going to have

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Speaker 3: a huge political tool which is going out and talking

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Speaker 3: about how and it's a separate this is just about

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Speaker 3: the politics. Yeah, the strategy of the policy itself. He's

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Speaker 3: gonna be able to talk about how he facilitated the

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Speaker 3: Abraham Accords and how peace in the Middle East was

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Speaker 3: imminent when Donald Trump was president, and that's going to

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Speaker 3: be really powerful if people are thinking about foreign policy,

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Speaker 3: because it's hard for Joe Biden to respond because his

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Speaker 3: administration was touting the success of the Abraham Accords right

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Speaker 3: before October seventh.

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Speaker 1: They said, what was the Jake Salivan quote.

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Speaker 3: He was like, peace in the Middle East is stronger

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Speaker 3: than it has been in years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's when we're stable or something like that than

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Speaker 2: it's been in years. I mean, listen, I could sit

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Speaker 2: here all day and say Trump increased the drone war.

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Speaker 2: He you know, bombed Syria, went beyond obom bomb Syria.

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Speaker 2: That the Abraham Accords, by the way, were central to

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Speaker 2: leading Hamas to launched October seventh, assassinating Costum Soulamani and

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Speaker 2: risking a direct hot war with the run getting on

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Speaker 2: of the Iranian nuclear deal, which also brought things to

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Speaker 2: the brink with I run like, I could go through

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Speaker 2: that every single day and intellectually people could understand that.

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Speaker 2: But you're right that it's a very potent talking point

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Speaker 2: to say, Hey, these wars didn't have about on my watch.

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Speaker 1: I made it.

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Speaker 2: This is all on this guy. And you know, the

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Speaker 2: other thing is Biden's political strength was always his sense,

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Speaker 2: this sense of listen. I may not agree with him

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Speaker 2: on every they may not be like a real firecracker

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Speaker 2: in this there at this point, but I feel like

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Speaker 2: he's a good guy. I feel like he's an empathetic guy.

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Speaker 2: I feel like he's basically decent and trying to do

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Speaker 2: the right thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, when you have half of your own voters like

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Speaker 2: you're facilitating a genocide and another thirty percent who were

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Speaker 2: like you may be facilitating a genocide, I think you're

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Speaker 2: probably going to get knocked down a few points on that.

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Speaker 2: I'm a decent guy sense, which really was his political strength,

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Speaker 2: especially versus Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: Well, and he also was pledging to bring civility and

870
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Speaker 3: normalcy back to American politics. A great point to you,

871
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 3: two hot wars have broken out on his watch, which

872
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,399
Speaker 3: is I mean, devis stating for the theory that Joe

873
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,399
Speaker 3: Biden is going to restore the world to stability and

874
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 3: stability that you're just going to make everyone feel happy.

875
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 3: I'm trying to remember the mean girls quote like the

876
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 3: I wish I could bake a cake of rainbows and

877
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 3: unicorns like we did in middle school. That was basically

878
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 3: Joe Biden's twenty twenty campaign and everyone could get along

879
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 3: like we did in middle school. And that has clearly

880
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 3: not happened. People have dealt with even if it's going

881
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 3: down right now, what they feel are staggering levels of inflation.

882
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 3: He sort of baited people with student loan debt relief

883
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 3: and then took it away, knowing it was going to

884
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 3: be taken away. I mean, this was going through the

885
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 3: court system. But he knew what was going to happen

886
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 3: with his student loan decision and did it anyway and

887
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 3: then didn't really stand by it. Hasn't taken, as you

888
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 3: guys have covered really well, hasn't taken all the steps

889
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 3: he could as an executive to push it through, even

890
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 3: if the courts are so.

891
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: I mean, those things are not normal.

892
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 3: They don't feel stable and normal to voters, and that's

893
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 3: a devastating blow for Joe Biden.

894
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 2: So what they're counting on is, let's put this next

895
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 2: graphic up on this score from Bloomberg. They're counting on

896
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 2: potentially a legal verdict going against Donald Trump, and they're

897
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 2: counting on Roe versus Wade, and they're also counting on

898
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 2: some sort of amnesia about how much everyone is horrified

899
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 2: by the Israel policy. So the headline here is Trump

900
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 2: risks losing more than half of swing state voters if

901
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 2: he's found guilty of some federal crime. Even more voters

902
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 2: say they will not support him if he is sent

903
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 2: to prison during this time. I've always been a little

904
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: bit like, I think you should take these type of

905
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 2: polls where you're asking people how they would theoretically feel

906
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 2: in the future of if some theoretical event comes to pass.

907
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 2: I think you should take those with a major grain

908
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 2: of salt. But it seems to me reasonable that a

909
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 2: lot of normy voters would be like, all right, you're

910
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 2: found guilty of a federal crime, You're facing potential prison sentence. Yeah.

911
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 2: I may be upset with Joe Biden, I may think

912
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 2: he's too old, whatever, but I just this is just

913
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 2: a bridge too far from me. So I think they're

914
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 2: counting on that, and I think they're also counting, like

915
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 2: I said, on Roe versus Way, and also just this

916
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 2: general sense of these people. And we'll talk about this

917
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 2: with the Taylor Swift block. But like, these people have

918
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 2: kind of lost their minds in a variety of directions,

919
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:17,240
Speaker 2: like stop the steal on abortion, on you know, excusing

920
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 2: Trump for literally anything. And even though I may not

921
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 2: be happy with the Democratic Party, like these people just

922
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 2: seem too insane and too extreme for me to get behind.

923
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 3: So and I think also with Trump in particular, one

924
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 3: of the reasons those hypotheticals are I think reason there's

925
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,399
Speaker 3: a lot of reason to be skeptical of those hypotheticals

926
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,760
Speaker 3: is that it was the same thing we heard before

927
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 3: the law Fair started, that as soon as Trump gets

928
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 3: hit with these indictments, he's dead in the water. Like this,

929
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 3: the DeSantis campaign was pushing that very hard. They believed

930
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 3: that as the law Fair started to come that voters

931
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 3: would say, this is a bridge too far, it's a distraction,

932
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 3: it's going to needlessly tar him in the general election.

933
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,879
Speaker 3: I'm going to go with the Santas And what we're

934
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 3: seeing is Trump not just in the primary with Republican voters,

935
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 3: but also if you're looking at his match up polls

936
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 3: with Biden, right, he has not been devastated. He hasn't

937
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 3: been given the Scarlett Letter by the indictments at all,

938
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:12,720
Speaker 3: He's hanging in there, and in some polls he's actually

939
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 3: still beating Joe Biden in the general election hypothetical matchup

940
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 3: at this point. So I do agree that you can

941
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 3: imagine a lot of normy voters just being like, Okay,

942
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 3: this is way too far, Like this guy might be

943
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 3: going to prison. I don't want my president in prison.

944
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 3: I don't want to vote for somebody who's in prison.

945
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 3: It just feels wrong to people. On the other hand,

946
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 3: if the other choice is Biden, that's how the celebrity

947
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 3: apprentice host beats the former secretary of State. If the

948
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 3: other choice is that bad, it can work.

949
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:41,479
Speaker 1: Yeah.

950
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 8: True.

951
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 2: I mean, look to state, the most obvious thing on

952
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 2: the planet. Both of these dudes have a lot of problems,

953
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 2: and I just, you know, while when I focus in

954
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 2: on one of them, I'll oh, there's no way that

955
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 2: dude can win, And then when I think about the

956
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 2: other one, I'm like, there's no way that guy can win.

957
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 2: It Obviously one of them is going to win. So

958
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,720
Speaker 2: I have a lot of humility this election cycle about

959
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 2: making any predictions about how this is all going to go.

960
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:04,399
Speaker 2: On the one hand, you can look at these swing

961
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 2: state polls and go seven states and they're all going

962
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 2: for drum. Don't look good for you, buddy. I did

963
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 2: see another poll this morning that have Biden up six

964
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 2: points in a national general election head to head. But

965
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 2: then you look at these special election results and you

966
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 2: look at them term election results, and you're like, well,

967
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 2: that seems to cut in the other direction. So I

968
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 2: just genuinely don't know. I'm just trying to lay out

969
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 2: some of the factors that may be at play as

970
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 2: we get closer to the actual general election. Speaking of

971
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 2: Biden and swing states and the impact of his Israel policy,

972
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 2: He's headed to Michigan today. White House spokesperson Cream Jean

973
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 2: Pierre was asked what Biden's message is to Arab Americans

974
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 2: as he visits that state, where the Arab American vote

975
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 2: could be could easily be the determining factor on whether

976
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 2: or not he is able to carry that state again.

977
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 2: Sacer and I had interviewed the dearborn Michigan mayor, who

978
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 2: is a longtime Democrat and said I cannot commit to

979
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 2: voting for j O'biden today, who refused to even meet

980
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 2: with his campaign manager. That is reflective of how many

981
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 2: Arab Americans in the state are feeling at this point.

982
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 2: Here's what Kareem Jean Pierre had to say when asked

983
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,280
Speaker 2: this question about what his message is to Arab Americans.

984
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 2: Take a listen.

985
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 4: He's placed a lot of criticism in Michigan from.

986
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 3: The Arab American beauty.

987
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 2: What does he say that what's his message to them?

988
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 4: Are those who feel dis chanted by the dodge of operation.

989
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 9: But what I would want to say is that you know,

990
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 9: the President has met with Americans with varying opinions about

991
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 9: the conflict that we're seeing sadly in Israel and Hamas.

992
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 9: Officials at the White House have had numerous conversations and

993
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 9: in regular contact with Muslim and a members Americans. Americans

994
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 9: look the President's going to continues to believe that Israel

995
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 9: has a right to defend himself. They have a right

996
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 9: to defend itself as long as they continue it is

997
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 9: done in accordance of humanitarian international humanitarian law. So we

998
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 9: will continue to have those conversations with them. At the

999
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 9: same time, at the same time, he is heartbroken, heartbroken

1000
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,720
Speaker 9: by the suffering of innocent Palestinians.

1001
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 2: So their message to Arab Americans. Is Israel has a

1002
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 2: right to defend itself. How's that going to go? Right?

1003
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,720
Speaker 1: It's a winning message, Crystal that they just sealed. Maybe

1004
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 1: a job she did you see the East Palestine question yesterday? Yes?

1005
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 3: So the chaffeld Wegman asked if Biden would drink the

1006
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 3: water in East Palestine because he's not visiting so Ohio

1007
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 3: and other state and he's probably not going to.

1008
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 1: Be competitive in Ohio.

1009
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's the anniversary of East Palestine coming up

1010
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 3: in a couple of days. And Korean John Pierre called

1011
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 3: that a political stunt, which I mean, she's really really

1012
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,720
Speaker 3: struggling on some of these questions. And if their message

1013
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 3: to Arab Americans is shrug, Yeah, Israel has right to

1014
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 3: defend itself.

1015
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 2: He's gonna lose Michigan.

1016
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: Well, Michigan.

1017
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 2: Here's the thing is this was fly by Ken Clipstein

1018
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 2: put this up on the screen. This was like in

1019
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 2: a political larger article but kind of buried in there.

1020
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 2: It's almost they almost seem to have given up on

1021
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 2: winning back the Arab American population in Michigan. What they

1022
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 2: say here is biden support for Israel's hurt the campaign

1023
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 2: badly with the sizeable Arab American population in Michigan, his

1024
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 2: team is scrambling to find other paths to victory in

1025
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 2: the battleground state. According to two campaign advisors granted an

1026
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 2: anonymity because they aren't authorized to speak publicly about strategy,

1027
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 2: so they basically are in a place right now where

1028
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 2: they're like, oh, that should be sailed. We're not winning

1029
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 2: them back. It's done. And this is a group I

1030
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 2: believe he won sixty five percent of last time. He

1031
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 2: was like an overwhelming margin last time around, and they're like,

1032
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 2: h we can't win with them, So who else is

1033
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 2: out there that maybe we could win over?

1034
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 3: So I was just going to whip out a super

1035
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 3: hot take about the electoral college. It is like, actually

1036
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 3: interesting here. When you have this pocket of Arab Americans

1037
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 3: around Dearborn, around Detroit that's really powerful in Michigan but

1038
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 3: doesn't represent like a wide swath of the American population,

1039
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 3: they become like disproportionately powerful in the popular vote with

1040
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 3: the electoral college because they're Michigan and Michigan's an incredibly

1041
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 3: important swing.

1042
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: State, and that's one of the benefits.

1043
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 2: I'm sort of if it was Dearborn, Kentucky no one

1044
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 2: would care.

1045
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah.

1046
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 3: So, I mean I go back and forth in electoral

1047
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 3: college myself, but I do think examples like this, where

1048
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 3: you have pockets of really, really really powerful voting blocks,

1049
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 3: are always compelling and interesting in that sense. Because even

1050
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 3: if Biden in this campaign, as that Politico article just showed,

1051
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 3: are giving up, that's stupid. They're path I mean, they

1052
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 3: should be working day in and day out. They should

1053
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 3: have people on the ground in Dearborn talking to people.

1054
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 3: I don't know how that would go, probably not great

1055
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 3: for them, but they should be trying, because their map

1056
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 3: to the two seventy without Michigan is very, very tough.

1057
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and listen, I think the core of the issue

1058
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 2: is just the policy itself needs to change, you know,

1059
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 2: that's the bottom line. And they may be right that

1060
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 2: it's too late that at this point, even if they

1061
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 2: did change course and put pressure on Israel and you know,

1062
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 2: secure a long time a long term cease fire and

1063
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,879
Speaker 2: actually start making some movements towards recognition of Palestinian share

1064
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 2: or whatever, I think they are probably correct that in

1065
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,399
Speaker 2: a lot of ways the ship has sailed because it's

1066
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 2: already gone way too far. I mean, many people in

1067
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 2: Dearborn know people who have had family members who have killed,

1068
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 2: who have family members who are in Gaza who have

1069
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 2: been killed. I mean, this is deeply personal, and so

1070
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:22,760
Speaker 2: you know, this little bit of lip service they're giving

1071
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 2: to it. Maybe will theoretically do a white paper about

1072
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:29,399
Speaker 2: possibly recognizing Palestinian state is certainly going to be insufficient.

1073
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 2: They also are video just went viral, which is really

1074
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 2: not a great look for them of a campaign organizer

1075
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 2: outside of a Kamala Harris. I believe event fundraiser is

1076
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 2: something of that. To that effect, kicking two women wearing

1077
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 2: jobs out of the event, keeping them, barring them from

1078
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 2: going into the event even though they had received invites.

1079
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what the campaign is saying about it afterwards,

1080
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 2: but I think we could all agree not a great

1081
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 2: look for them. Let's take a look at this.

1082
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:58,479
Speaker 5: We are choosing who's going in and out of the event.

1083
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, why are you choosing us the game when

1084
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:01,280
Speaker 2: we have an invite?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 2: You specifically single us out?

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Speaker 1: That's racist? Is it because we have the jobs?

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Speaker 10: I'm happy to talk to.

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Speaker 2: So it is because it is.

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Speaker 6: Out of everybody when we have an invitation, just like

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Speaker 6: everyone else.

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Speaker 2: What is the problem by.

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Speaker 11: A man who's in the LGBT community too, You're going

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Speaker 11: after another group?

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Speaker 1: Can they come in?

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Speaker 2: They were already?

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Speaker 1: Why not? It's not It is because why we have

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Speaker 1: an invitation.

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Speaker 2: Here and I don't have no here. Don't come up

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Speaker 2: with excuses because I am a.

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Speaker 1: Woman and you're coming up with it. I'm well, I didn't. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I did give you an excuse.

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Speaker 11: Clearly, I'm letting you know that you've been disinvited from

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Speaker 11: the event.

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Speaker 2: Why so, she says, you can choose to leave at

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Speaker 2: this point, you've been disinvited from the event. The camp

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Speaker 2: is saying, oh, these women were involved in previous protests,

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Speaker 2: which speaks also to the fact that you know, every

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden event, every Kamala Harris event. Nancy Pelosi obviously

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Speaker 2: has been hounded by process like they really can't go

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Speaker 2: anywhere without having some sort of disruption, some sort of

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Speaker 2: protests over their Israel policy. But what that leads to

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Speaker 2: is the sense that they may be just like out

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Speaker 2: and out racially profiling anyone who shows up with a

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Speaker 2: head job or looks Arab, American or Muslim, banning them

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Speaker 2: from the event because it appears that these were basically

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Speaker 2: like the only two women with h jobs and it's like,

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Speaker 2: you guys can't come in. Like I said, not a

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Speaker 2: great look.

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Speaker 1: And it leads to social media posts.

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Speaker 3: So even if someone's not outside a fundraiser, you know,

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Speaker 3: watching what's happening now, this is going to go absolutely everywhere.

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Speaker 3: And I actually, by the way, I love the idea

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Speaker 3: that this might have been a Kamala Harris fundraiser, because yeah,

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Speaker 3: can you imagine Kamala Harris making people want to donate

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Speaker 3: to the biding camp. When I hear her talk, I say,

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Speaker 3: give me my checkbook.

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Speaker 2: I must admire this.

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Speaker 1: You guys are going to win. I mean, it's just outrageous.

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Speaker 3: But this is a terrible, terrible look for the campaign

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Speaker 3: and it's not going to stop.

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Speaker 1: That's the other.

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Speaker 3: Part of this for him is that this is going

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Speaker 3: to keep on going. We just got word that here

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Speaker 3: in d C there's pretty massive protests outside like the

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Speaker 3: State Department Union station here in d C with traffic

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Speaker 3: being blocked. So short of a huge policy change, this

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Speaker 3: is from now till November going to be blasted on

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Speaker 3: young people's tiktoks and Instagram feeds. So the vote in

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00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 3: those college towns, those younger, bluer urban areas, is in

1141
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 3: really tough shape for Joe Biden. Let's talk about the

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Speaker 3: impeachment of Alejandro Majorcis, obviously the Secretary of the Department

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Speaker 3: of Homeland Security.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: Late at night on Tuesday, there was a markup of

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Speaker 3: the impeachment articles that Republicans have drawn up for Homeland

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Speaker 3: Security Secretary. Alejandro majorcis al a longtime target of this

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00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 3: Republican majority and the Republican majority before it under the

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00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 3: Biden administration. The move is to pass those articles, which

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Speaker 3: they did end up passing late in the night, so

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00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 3: early yesterday morning, the articles moved out of committee, and

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Speaker 3: that means they will now be set for a full

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00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 3: vote in front of the House. So the House of

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00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 3: Representatives will be voting on whether to impeach the Secretary

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Speaker 3: of Homeland Security. And actually, there's an interesting statistic. This

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00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 3: would be like the first time in one hundred and

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Speaker 3: fifty years that a cabinet secretary faced impeachment, like the

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Speaker 3: second time ever.

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Speaker 1: This was from the New York Times.

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Speaker 3: You know what the first one. I don't know who

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Speaker 3: the first one was, but now I'm really curious. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you go over to the Google figure that one out.

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Speaker 1: But it's not a common thing.

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Speaker 3: I feel like we're almost sort of numb to this

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Speaker 3: happening now from the Trump administration. And that's kind of

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Speaker 3: what Republicans are. Why Republicans are arguing that they're doing

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Speaker 3: it is you know, they're not saying that aloud, but

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Speaker 3: behind closed doors. It's an idea that you fight fire

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00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 3: with fire, and that if they're going to impeach Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump two times, then you go ahead and impeach one

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Speaker 3: of them. We know, obviously they started looking into impeachment

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Speaker 3: and they've opened that inquiry into President Biden, but now

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Speaker 3: they're going after Mayorcis along similar lines. But the problem

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Speaker 3: about these impeachment articles, and I think Mayorkus is doing

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Speaker 3: a horrible job. The problem is an interesting one. So

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Speaker 3: let's start playing some clips of the debate in the

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Speaker 3: committee which get to sort of the heart of what's

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Speaker 3: going on. I'll start with this tweet from Mike Johnson.

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Speaker 3: This is his statement. We'll put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 3: The speaker, Mike Johnson, since the moment he was confirmed

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Speaker 3: Secretary of Americus, has wilfully and consistently refused to refused

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Speaker 3: to comply with federal immigration laws. Feeling the worst border

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Speaker 3: catastrophe in American history, he said, I commend the Household

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Speaker 3: Land Security Committee for conducting a thorough and exhaustive investigation

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Speaker 3: into Secretary of Majorcas's failed leadership of the department.

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Speaker 1: He also says that Mayorkus.

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Speaker 3: Quote violated his oath of office and obstructed lawful oversight

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Speaker 3: of DHS. So pin those two things because they're important

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Speaker 3: to these articles of impeachment. And let's roll this next clip,

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Speaker 3: which I believe is Representative Eric Swallwell, Democrat, talking during

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Speaker 3: this debate that went into again the early hours of

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Speaker 3: the morning yesterday.

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Speaker 6: In any shortcomings that my Orcus may have, frankly are

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Speaker 6: your fault. He's asking for authorities to do more, to

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Speaker 6: have more border agents, to have more resources, and so

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Speaker 6: his limitations are caused by you. You put him in place,

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Speaker 6: you won't let him do it.

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Speaker 3: So Marjorie Taylor Green was sitting just across the room

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Speaker 3: from him. Let's roll a clip of MTG laying into Mamericas.

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Speaker 7: Congress has the responsibility to hold the executive branch accountable

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Speaker 7: when they fail to uphold their oath of office, abuse

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Speaker 7: their authority, and or are dishonest with the American people.

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Speaker 7: This is essential and a constitutional republic built on and

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Speaker 7: separation of powers. And it's twenty twenty three ruling in

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Speaker 7: United States versus Texas. The Supreme Court left the House

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Speaker 7: of Representatives with little choice, little choice but to pursue

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Speaker 7: impeachment articles against Secretary Mayorkists. Secretary of maw Orkists must

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Speaker 7: be impeached for his failure to uphold his oath of

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Speaker 7: office and for willfully breaking federal immigration laws.

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Speaker 1: So again you heard right there.

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Speaker 3: Oath of office and for his failure to willfully uphold

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Speaker 3: the federal immigration laws.

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Speaker 1: Crystal. Before we get your thoughts, it's rule.

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Speaker 3: This clip of chip Roy again getting at the heart

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Speaker 3: of the impeachment articles, and that's what we'll open up

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Speaker 3: for discussion right after you hear this exchange between chip

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Speaker 3: Roy and ma Yorkists.

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Speaker 1: And if you're watching this.

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Speaker 3: You'll see the date it's twenty twenty two on your screen,

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Speaker 3: so pay attention to that as well.

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Speaker 12: Will you testify under oath right now?

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Speaker 6: Do we have operational control?

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Speaker 5: Yes or no?

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Speaker 13: Yes we do, and we have operational control of the borders.

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Speaker 10: Yes we do. In congressmen, we are working too, least.

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Speaker 12: So would operational control defined in this section, the term

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Speaker 12: operational control means the prevention of all on lawful entries

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Speaker 12: into the United States, including entries by terrorists, other on

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Speaker 12: lawful aliens, instruments of terrorism, narcotics, and other contramand do

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Speaker 12: you stand behind your testimony that we have operational control

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Speaker 12: in light of this definition?

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Speaker 2: And Congressman, I think the Secretary of foam Land Security

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Speaker 2: would have said the same thing in twenty twenty and

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Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 3: So Republicans have been using a clip of a deputy

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Speaker 3: of Maericus who has said, obviously, we don't have operational

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Speaker 3: control of the border, and testified to prove that mayarkis

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Speaker 3: lied when he said that they had operational control of

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Speaker 3: the border. Americas said he was using a different definition

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Speaker 3: of operational control with a lower standard of what constitutes

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Speaker 3: operational control. But the articles of impeachment accused him of

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Speaker 3: violating provisions of the Immigration and Nationality Act, which we

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Speaker 3: were talking before the school. They require that migrants quote

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Speaker 3: shall be detained pending a decision on whether or not

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Speaker 3: they should be removed. So if they're claiming asylum, you

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01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 3: typically if you have a normal immigration system. That's what

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Speaker 3: would happen, but that has not been upheld in years

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Speaker 3: and years and years. It's basically impossible. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: don't know how that would be possible. It's why the

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Speaker 3: Trump administration also didn't do it, because it's not possible

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Speaker 3: with the number of people that you have going So

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Speaker 3: the oath of office, the knowingly made false statements. These

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Speaker 3: are the articles of impeachment. And if your argument is

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Speaker 3: that we need to impeach my orcus because they impeach Trump,

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Speaker 3: actually is probably more and we know it's not going

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Speaker 3: to go anywhere because we're just the House of Representatives, right,

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Speaker 3: It's never going to pass the Senate.

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Speaker 1: It's more of a symbolic impeachment.

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Speaker 3: If that's your argument, it actually is probably stronger than

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Speaker 3: the legal constitutional case for impeachment here because I don't

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Speaker 3: think it quite meets the bar.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's theater. I mean, I don't even

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Speaker 2: want to really dig into what they're claiming and what

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Speaker 2: he said. And operational if that's your definition of operational control,

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Speaker 2: literally that has never happened in the history of the

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Speaker 2: United States, and it will never happen in the history

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Speaker 2: of the United States.

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Speaker 1: That you have.

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Speaker 2: You know, every single person that comes in, there's going

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Speaker 2: to be at least one who gets by. Then you

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Speaker 2: don't have operational control. So I mean, there's a reason

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Speaker 2: I looked up who was the last cabinet secretary to

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Speaker 2: be impeached?

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Speaker 1: Oh gosh, who was it?

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Speaker 2: May eighteen seventy six Secretary of War William bell Knapp,

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Speaker 2: who apparently this is kind of funny, this is from

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Speaker 2: Senate dot gov. So they say it issue was the

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Speaker 2: behavior of William bell Knapp. He was part of the

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Speaker 2: administration President Ulysses's grant. Former Iowa state legislator in Civil

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Speaker 2: War General, he held his cabinet post for nearly eight

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Speaker 2: years in the rollicking era that Mark Twain dubbed the

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Speaker 2: Gilded Age. Bell Nap was famous for his extravagant Washington

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Speaker 2: parties and is elegantly attired first and second wives. Many

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01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 2: question how he managed such a and lifestyle on his

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Speaker 2: eight thousand dollars government salary. By early eighteen seventy six,

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Speaker 2: answers began to surface. A House of Representatives committee uncovered

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Speaker 2: evidence supporting a pattern of corruption blatant even by the

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Speaker 2: standards of the scandal. Tarnished Grant administration. Now, it's interesting history.

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Speaker 2: I also do think it's relevant here, though, because it's

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Speaker 2: not like he was impeached for, you know, the policy

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Speaker 2: that he was implementing, because he was impeached based on

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Speaker 2: his personal conduct and allegations of corruption, which apparently had

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Speaker 2: quite a bit of merit judging by the addresses of

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Speaker 2: his first and second wives. So does anyone really believe

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Speaker 2: that Secretary of Mayorcis is the locus of the issues

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Speaker 2: in terms of immigration, Like we have been having debates

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Speaker 2: and struggles over immigration and border security and how to

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Speaker 2: handle immigrants that come in and claim asylum. We've been

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Speaker 2: having these debates for decades. They did not start with

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Speaker 2: Secretary may Orcus. They did not end what will not

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Speaker 2: end with Secretary may Orcus. I have no opinion on

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Speaker 2: this man's conduct and whether he's been a good or

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Speaker 2: bad secretary, how he is, whether he's common at his job,

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01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 2: but he's clearly trying to implement the policy that's been

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Speaker 2: directed to him by the President. And I actually think

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Speaker 2: Swallow's point is a reasonable one of the biggest There's

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Speaker 2: a lot of issues, but the biggest issue in terms

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Speaker 2: of our immigration policy is this massive three million case

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Speaker 2: asylum backlog, which means exactly like you said, people come

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Speaker 2: because they know that they can say I'm claiming asylum

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Speaker 2: and it will be years before it's adjudicated. The best

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Speaker 2: thing you could do to deal with that problem is not,

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Speaker 2: you know, as the House, as the sorry Senate Negotiated

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Speaker 2: Bill contemplates, just okay, we're just going to close the

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Speaker 2: border and end do process. No, the biggest thing is

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Speaker 2: to have a massive scale up in resources so that

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Speaker 2: you actually have a shot to be able in a

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Speaker 2: timely fashion to adjudicate these asylum claims and say yes,

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Speaker 2: this one meets the definition and no, many of these

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Speaker 2: other ones don't, so you can handle it in some

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Speaker 2: sort of judicious manner. May Arcis is not a magician.

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Speaker 2: He can't, like, you know, magically make all of that

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Speaker 2: happen or magically make the three million case backlog go

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Speaker 2: away without support for Congress. So when you couple that,

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Speaker 2: their response is this show trial and these you know,

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Speaker 2: fake impeachment articles of impeachment that they know aren't going

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Speaker 2: to go anywhere. With their rejection of the Senate Negotiated Package,

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Speaker 2: which I oppose because it's too draconian, but which is

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Speaker 2: consistent with the things they claim to care about and support.

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Speaker 2: It's just very clear to me that they like immigration

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Speaker 2: as a political issue. They like the images of migrants

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Speaker 2: at the border, they like the narrative of no operational

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Speaker 2: control and chaos under Joe Biden, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: But they don't actually even support the things that they

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Speaker 2: claim to support, which I don't support. Again, but they

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01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 2: don't even really back up their words and the things

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Speaker 2: that they claim to believe with any sort of governance

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Speaker 2: or action. They just like it as a political issue.

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Speaker 3: Establishment Republican insurance, hell don't. I mean, you'll hear Mitch

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01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 3: McConnell talk all day about the border, and then you

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01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 3: know the we have completely different takes on the Senate bill,

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01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 3: because that one would still like from my perspective, it

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01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 3: doesn't even crack down until you're like one point eight

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01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 3: million people. Like five thousand people a day is when

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01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 3: it starts to the standard sets in for when you

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Speaker 3: have automatic detention and removal of migrants. And it's just

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Speaker 3: Mitch McConnell all day. He'll use the border as a

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01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 3: political issue. He won't take a vote on anything hard ever, never,

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Speaker 3: he would never do that because there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: cheap labor to be had, and we could get into

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Speaker 3: that whole debate. I know we probably disagree on some

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01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:32,519
Speaker 3: of those things, but I share the frustration of this,

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01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:35,760
Speaker 3: like basically just being a political wedge issue for the

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01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 3: political establishment to bash over and over again. And honestly,

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01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:41,559
Speaker 3: I think Mamericus has done a terrible job. I think

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01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 3: Biden has done a terrible job. I think it's frightening

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Speaker 3: what we don't know about how many people are here.

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01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 3: I think it's frightening for people's safety, how many are

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Speaker 3: living in the shadows of our society in sanctuary cities

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Speaker 3: where they're like in danger. They come over here in

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Speaker 3: debt to cartels. It's just horriffic. Many of them have

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Speaker 3: been raped, s actually assaulted on the way and then

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01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:06,799
Speaker 3: are still in debt to cartels. And I wonder, actually

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Speaker 3: if there was a much better avenue for impeachment over

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01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 3: the people who have died crossing the river, over the

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Speaker 3: people who have come here in debt to cartels and

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Speaker 3: been victims of violence, over the people who have been victimized.

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Speaker 6: Me.

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Speaker 3: It was like thirty five thousand arrests last year or

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Speaker 3: removals last year of people who had been in the

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Speaker 3: country illegally with a criminal record.

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Speaker 1: Why not any of that?

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Speaker 3: And it kind of gets to your point that the

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01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:36,519
Speaker 3: human element of this gets lost in the political element

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01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:39,640
Speaker 3: of it, because it's more fun to just use this

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01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 3: stuff as a weapon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Sager and I covered the other day

1378
01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:47,840
Speaker 2: Center Langford, who was sort of adorable in his shock

1379
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 2: that the Republicans in the House were not going to

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Speaker 2: accept this deal because it's not just this deal, which

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01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:57,759
Speaker 2: again I don't support because I don't think the answer

1382
01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 2: to we don't have enough resources to go through a

1383
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 2: due process, the answer to that is more resources so

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01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:06,800
Speaker 2: that you can deal with the flow and get it

1385
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:08,720
Speaker 2: under control, so that there isn't the sense of, oh,

1386
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:10,559
Speaker 2: I can just show up and claim asylum and it's

1387
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:12,680
Speaker 2: going to be years and years before this is adjudicated.

1388
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:15,759
Speaker 2: But he was sort of like, I thought, you guys

1389
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Speaker 2: like agreed with me on this. And also, by the way,

1390
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Speaker 2: you all were the ones who pushed for this to

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Speaker 2: be paired with Ukraine AID and Israel Aid. You know,

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01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 2: the whole idea was like we're not going to give

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01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 2: any money to care about Ukrainian borders before we deal

1394
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 2: with our borders. So Democrats are like, okay, we'll, you know,

1395
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:36,320
Speaker 2: combine these things together. And when the rubber meets the road,

1396
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 2: some of them were out and out like, no, we're

1397
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 2: not going to quote unquote give Joe Biden a win.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: Again, on the other side of this, I don't think

1400
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 2: that this is good politics for the Biden administration either.

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01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:51,599
Speaker 2: Anytime that the policy discussion is focused on immigration and

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01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 2: where the narrative and the argument is all on the

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01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 2: side of we need harsher policies and we need to

1404
01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 2: shut down the border, et cetera, you are not going

1405
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 2: to out immigrates hardline Donald Trump. It's not going to happen.

1406
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 2: So if you are making this the center of political conversation,

1407
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:08,600
Speaker 2: if you're accepting that framing of like the thing we

1408
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:10,680
Speaker 2: need to really do is be harsh and crack down

1409
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 2: at the border, that is not going to be a

1410
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 2: winning argument for you. And you've already lost progresses young people.

1411
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:21,880
Speaker 2: You know a lot of constituencies in the Democratic Party

1412
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:25,439
Speaker 2: based on your support unconditional support for Israel. Now you're

1413
01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 2: antagonizing them on this issue as well, so you're further

1414
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:33,880
Speaker 2: demoralizing your own base. You're not winning any immigration hardliners

1415
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 2: over so I think it's foolish from their political perspective

1416
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 2: as well. But yeah, I mean, when it comes to

1417
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:41,680
Speaker 2: this impeachment situation, like bottom line to me is it's

1418
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 2: a political stunt. It's symbolic of the fact that most

1419
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 2: of Washington revolves around political stunts at this point, you know,

1420
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 2: outside of any like real genuine attempt to try to

1421
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 2: address the problem, even if you don't one hundred percent

1422
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:58,640
Speaker 2: agree with the solutions and fine cammigratin, No, no, no,

1423
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 2: it's all about what can I do for the cameras,

1424
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 2: What can I do to spur my own fundraising base?

1425
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 2: You know, how can I own a lib and have

1426
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 2: a viral moment that's going to help me raise money

1427
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:11,240
Speaker 2: for my own campaign. That's what all of our politics

1428
01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 2: centers around, and this whole impeachment situation I think fits

1429
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 2: squarely in that mold.

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01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's frustrating because I think Biden's critics really do

1431
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 3: have as much as I disagree with the Republican Party

1432
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:24,639
Speaker 3: and the Democratic Party, but as much as I disagree

1433
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 3: with them, this is one of these issues where they

1434
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 3: should have the moral high ground.

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01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:31,720
Speaker 1: People are dying, people are being abused.

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01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:35,599
Speaker 3: Our government is literally helping the un hand out debit

1437
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:39,280
Speaker 3: cards and the Darien gap which people die crossing. It's

1438
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:44,120
Speaker 3: not good, it's horrible, and this just seems like such

1439
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 3: a small ball excuse to even do the political theater.

1440
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 3: So some real political theater happening yesterday in front of

1441
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:56,480
Speaker 3: the Senate Judiciary Committee where they actually had to subpoena

1442
01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:59,959
Speaker 3: some of these tech executives to get them to testify

1443
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:01,639
Speaker 3: in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee.

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01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:02,080
Speaker 1: Not all of them.

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01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:03,800
Speaker 3: Some of them actually did have to be brought by

1446
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 3: subpoena though, and we have a lot of video from

1447
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 3: this hearing. They grilled these tech executives. We can go

1448
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:12,439
Speaker 3: ahead and put the first element up on the screen here.

1449
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 3: They grilled them about the safety of their platforms. So

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01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:19,680
Speaker 3: this was the CEO's of TikTok, of Snap, of X

1451
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 3: and Meta. So you had Zuckerberg was there, I think

1452
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:24,160
Speaker 3: the guy from Discord, he was one of the people

1453
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:26,759
Speaker 3: that actually had to be subpoenaed was there as well,

1454
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 3: and they were answering some really tough questions. This is

1455
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 3: kind of an interesting subject, Crystal, because we're going to

1456
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 3: roll a lot of these clips, and one thing you'll

1457
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:39,640
Speaker 3: hear in some of the clips is pimping of legislation

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01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:43,960
Speaker 3: that they want to pass that they think, you know,

1459
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 3: this is the necessary legislation that will save the children

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01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 3: from your horrible apps. Well, the problem is a lot

1461
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:58,479
Speaker 3: of this legislation is seriously flawed from speech and civil

1462
01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:01,800
Speaker 3: rights perspective, and that's one of the scary things about

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01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 3: We talked about all of the issues with TikTok, and

1464
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 3: there are many, many serious issues with TikTok. The solution

1465
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 3: that was devised by people in the Senate was a

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01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 3: huge power grab that would wildly infringe on civil rights,

1467
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 3: and that's what some of those legislation is as well.

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01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 3: So keep that in mind as you're watching these clips.

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01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 3: That to the point we were talking about in this

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01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 3: last segment about the border. A lot of politics is

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01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 3: stunt making for the sake of power grabs. Now there

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01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:33,800
Speaker 3: are going to be some real questions. So let's play

1473
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 3: this first clip of Mark Zuckerberg. He's addressing parents that

1474
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 3: were in the room behind whose children had been lost

1475
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 3: to suicide and other problems. There were parents from Snap

1476
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 3: there whose kids had bought drugs very easily over Snap

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01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 3: let's roll this of Zuckerberg addressing those parents when Josh

1478
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:55,120
Speaker 3: Holly kind of demands it of him.

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01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:56,559
Speaker 2: Have you apologized to the victims?

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01:14:58,800 --> 01:14:59,720
Speaker 13: Would you like to do so?

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01:14:59,760 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 1: Now?

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01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 6: Well they're here, You're on national television. Would you like

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01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 6: now to apologize to the victims who have been harmed

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01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 6: by your product? Show them the pictures?

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01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:10,720
Speaker 14: Would you like to apologize for what you've done to

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01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 14: these good people.

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01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 2: And starts involved in your incredible and.

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01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 14: Knowing that actually go through the things.

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01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:23,600
Speaker 15: That your families have suffered, and this is why we

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01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 15: invested so much doing industry being efforts to make sure

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01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:31,760
Speaker 15: that no one has to go through some.

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01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 6: Types of things that your family's.

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01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 15: Will touch us up.

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Speaker 3: So it was kind of hard to hear, but he

1495
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:38,519
Speaker 3: was just saying, you know, nobody should have to go

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01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:41,560
Speaker 3: through what you're going through, and that's why Facebook is

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01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 3: working really hard, Crystal to solve these problems. And actually,

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01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:47,600
Speaker 3: interestingly enough, I don't know if you've noticed this, but

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Speaker 3: in some of the like Axio This Morning newsletters, Instagram

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Speaker 3: has been the lead sponsor for a couple of weeks,

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01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:57,559
Speaker 3: interesting and saying that they support the legislation that is popular.

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01:15:57,680 --> 01:15:59,599
Speaker 3: Some of the pieces of legislation that are popular, which

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01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:01,360
Speaker 3: is very, very very interesting. It's sort of like how

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01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 3: they supported Section two thirty reform as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think listen, everyone wants our kids

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01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:10,760
Speaker 2: to be safe. Everyone understands that social media in a

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01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:13,839
Speaker 2: lot of ways has had a really deallyterious impact, especially

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01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:17,680
Speaker 2: on mental health among teenage girls in particular, but teenagers

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01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:21,799
Speaker 2: in general. Like it is a very valid topic of concern. However,

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01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 2: these solutions that are proposed by these people almost all

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01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:30,280
Speaker 2: of the time just lead to encouraging tech platforms to

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Speaker 2: do more censorship and be even more aggressive in taking

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01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:36,920
Speaker 2: down a whole range of content, not just the things

1514
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,760
Speaker 2: that are genuinely bad that you would genuinely like to

1515
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 2: see taken down, and beyond that, you know, a lot

1516
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:47,719
Speaker 2: of these little like regulatory band aid type things as well.

1517
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:51,879
Speaker 2: They're also not really getting at the core of the issue,

1518
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:56,639
Speaker 2: which is that these companies are gigantic monopolies. They profit

1519
01:16:56,840 --> 01:17:02,519
Speaker 2: off of the attention economy, always going to push in

1520
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 2: the direction of keeping you and your kids on the

1521
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:08,080
Speaker 2: app longer. There was a lot that was revealed about

1522
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:10,479
Speaker 2: how Facebook does that, how they even were happy to

1523
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 2: degrade the experience of their website where people felt bad

1524
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:16,880
Speaker 2: using it if it meant that their eyeballs stayed on

1525
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 2: there longer. So you know, as long as that is

1526
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:24,360
Speaker 2: the core driving incentive that and like you know, selling

1527
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:27,000
Speaker 2: off all of your data and like not caring at

1528
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 2: all about your privacy, as long as that is the

1529
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:32,639
Speaker 2: business model, you're going to end up with a lot

1530
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:36,799
Speaker 2: of negative impacts on young people and on everybody in general.

1531
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 2: So you know, there was a lot of like this

1532
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 2: clip of Zuckerberg apologizing really got a lot of play

1533
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:44,960
Speaker 2: and went viral or whatever. It's like, this is not

1534
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:49,640
Speaker 2: going to do anything. Like I enjoy big tech humiliation

1535
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:50,760
Speaker 2: as much as anyone else.

1536
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:55,160
Speaker 3: It was good watching Zuckerberg be like like he had

1537
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:56,559
Speaker 3: just been sent on a time out.

1538
01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:57,799
Speaker 1: Yeah fine.

1539
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:01,400
Speaker 2: But the bottom line of this higher hearing is that,

1540
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 2: not to oversimplify, but this really is sort of like

1541
01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 2: the big takeaway in a whole variety of directions from

1542
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:10,120
Speaker 2: the left and the right and the center and whatever.

1543
01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 2: They're pushing for more censorship. That's what they want, and

1544
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:16,879
Speaker 2: they want to use which issues that are genuinely emotional

1545
01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 2: issues to try to continue pushing that agenda.

1546
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:22,800
Speaker 3: So let's look at Mike Lee talking to Mark Zuckerberg,

1547
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:26,760
Speaker 3: also about sexually explicit content on Instagram ConTroll those.

1548
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:30,600
Speaker 16: Instagram recently announced that it's going to restrict all teenagers

1549
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 16: from access to eating disorder material, suicidal ideation themed material,

1550
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 16: self harm content. And that's fantastic, that's great. What's odd.

1551
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 16: What I'm trying to understand is why it is that

1552
01:18:51,360 --> 01:19:00,280
Speaker 16: Instagram is only restricting It's restricting access to sexually explicit comment,

1553
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:06,519
Speaker 16: but only forteen's ages thirteen to fifteen. Why not restrict

1554
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:08,719
Speaker 16: it for sixteen and seventeen year olds as well?

1555
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:12,639
Speaker 15: Senator, My understanding is that we don't allow sexually explicit

1556
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:17,080
Speaker 15: content on the service for people of any age.

1557
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 10: The how is that going?

1558
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:26,840
Speaker 15: You know, our prevalence metrics suggest that I think it's

1559
01:19:27,080 --> 01:19:29,559
Speaker 15: ninety nine percent or so of the content that we

1560
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 15: remove we're able to identify automatically using AI system. So

1561
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:35,320
Speaker 15: I think that our efforts in this wall, they're not perfect.

1562
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 15: I think are industry leading.

1563
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:38,920
Speaker 3: Industry leading could mean a lot if the standards of

1564
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:41,200
Speaker 3: the industry could mean very little when the standards of

1565
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:43,719
Speaker 3: the industry are very raw, which is exactly what is

1566
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:44,599
Speaker 3: true in this case, and.

1567
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:46,680
Speaker 2: It baally comes from the monopoly power too, like they

1568
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:47,519
Speaker 2: don't have to really.

1569
01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:50,519
Speaker 3: Care exactly, and the crowd breaking out until laughter. I

1570
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 3: really enjoyed speaking of the sort of pleasure to be

1571
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 3: derived from tach humiliation. That was pretty good. Let's roll

1572
01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 3: this clip. So Lindsay Graham was on one yesterday. You

1573
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:06,320
Speaker 3: may have noticed, Crystal. Let's roll this clip of Lindsey Graham.

1574
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:11,840
Speaker 7: TikTok, your representative Israel quit the company because TikTok is

1575
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:15,639
Speaker 7: being used in a way to basically destroy the Jewish state.

1576
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:20,800
Speaker 2: TikTok is being used to destroy the Jewish state. Definitly,

1577
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:21,599
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

1578
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:24,599
Speaker 3: One of the interesting things about that is a lot

1579
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:29,839
Speaker 3: of Republicans and centristems were really upset about the research

1580
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:33,000
Speaker 3: showing that in the aftermath of October seventh, content on

1581
01:20:33,080 --> 01:20:37,960
Speaker 3: TikTok that was pro Palestine versus pro Israel was wildly disproportionate.

1582
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:39,920
Speaker 3: If you're listening to this, I'm making like a bar

1583
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 3: graph with my hands, because that's exactly what the charts showed.

1584
01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 1: And attributing that.

1585
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:50,200
Speaker 3: To Beijing is because of the control of by dance

1586
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 3: and TikTok, which we'll get into in just a second,

1587
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:56,360
Speaker 3: but attributing that to Beijing instead of the organic sentiments

1588
01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:59,599
Speaker 3: of actually like eighteen to twenty plus year olds that

1589
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:00,240
Speaker 3: is not.

1590
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:01,360
Speaker 1: Born out by the data at all.

1591
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:04,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, from everything we know, this isn't completely and by

1592
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:06,599
Speaker 3: the way, one of the people that thinks that they

1593
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:11,120
Speaker 3: probably are manipulating this and probably are having an impact

1594
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:14,919
Speaker 3: on public opinion, but this is maybe on the margins

1595
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:15,559
Speaker 3: on this issue.

1596
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:18,000
Speaker 1: This is organic. This is you can blame tech all

1597
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:20,200
Speaker 1: you want, this is where young people are.

1598
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:22,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a whole moral panic about TikTok. I mean,

1599
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:25,040
Speaker 2: there's a lot of layers to this. In part, there's

1600
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:27,559
Speaker 2: just like, you know, these are old people who don't

1601
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:30,360
Speaker 2: use TikTok, who don't understand it, so it feels like

1602
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:33,719
Speaker 2: foreign and scary to them. There's like that very human

1603
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:36,360
Speaker 2: level of it. And then there's also the panic at

1604
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:39,760
Speaker 2: a loss of control because we've covered here, you know,

1605
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:42,840
Speaker 2: the way that the sort of traditional corporate media, the

1606
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:47,760
Speaker 2: way that they cover Israel Palestine and how manipulated it is.

1607
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:49,960
Speaker 2: You know, there's a Wall Street Journal reporter was like

1608
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:52,720
Speaker 2: in the IDF, it was just like no wondering, Yeah,

1609
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:56,240
Speaker 2: just laundering IDF propaganda in the pages of a Wall

1610
01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:58,719
Speaker 2: Street journal, which is supposed to be this respected outlet.

1611
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:01,599
Speaker 2: There have been all these now of the incredibly visceral

1612
01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 2: and emotional language that's used to describe, rightly used to

1613
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:08,040
Speaker 2: describe Asraeli death that is denied to Palestinians, to try

1614
01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:10,880
Speaker 2: to deny them humanity. And so the fact that you

1615
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:15,040
Speaker 2: have this alternative source where people can see, you know,

1616
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 2: the videos of Idea soldiers publicizing themselves doing war crimes

1617
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:21,800
Speaker 2: and bragging about it, where you can see the horrors

1618
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:24,400
Speaker 2: of the kids who are being buried under rubble or

1619
01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:29,000
Speaker 2: going through you know, horrible amputations with no anesthesia, where

1620
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:32,160
Speaker 2: you can see these things directly. And then you already

1621
01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:34,679
Speaker 2: have a generation that was very inclined to see these

1622
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:38,680
Speaker 2: this conflict in wildly different terms than older generations, and

1623
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:42,200
Speaker 2: there is a genuine freak out about what that loss

1624
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:46,120
Speaker 2: of control means for them, for their narrative, for their

1625
01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:49,519
Speaker 2: you know, political agenda and view of the world. And

1626
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 2: so I think that's very reflected when Lindsay Graham makes

1627
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:57,519
Speaker 2: it just outrageous, insane comments like TikTok is being used

1628
01:22:57,520 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 2: to destroy the Jewish state.

1629
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:02,280
Speaker 3: And it also kind of reminds me of what Dems

1630
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:04,720
Speaker 3: and like never Trump Republicans do with the Trump phenomenon.

1631
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:08,720
Speaker 3: Is they just like like this is Russia. Russia made

1632
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:09,599
Speaker 3: Donald Trump win.

1633
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:13,519
Speaker 2: We're closely the people the saying ceasefire protesters are on

1634
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:17,120
Speaker 2: Putin's message and I need to look into their financing

1635
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:19,640
Speaker 2: or that they need to go back to their headquarters

1636
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:23,600
Speaker 2: in China like they just I mean, it's total conspiracy,

1637
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:26,920
Speaker 2: brain worms, insanity. And I think this Lindsay Graham's comments

1638
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:28,160
Speaker 2: fit in that category. Very nice.

1639
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:32,040
Speaker 3: And if you don't grapple with the authentic sentiments of voters,

1640
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:33,800
Speaker 3: you are not. It might work in the short term,

1641
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:36,280
Speaker 3: it doesn't work in the long term. So and here's

1642
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:39,200
Speaker 3: another clip. This is Tom Cotton. This one Crystal and

1643
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:41,519
Speaker 3: I might have a different take on. Let's let's roll

1644
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:44,160
Speaker 3: Tom Cotton talking to the CEO of TikTok.

1645
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:47,640
Speaker 14: Of what nation? Are you a citizen Singapore? Are you

1646
01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:48,960
Speaker 14: a citizen of any other nation?

1647
01:23:49,439 --> 01:23:50,000
Speaker 10: No, Zenata.

1648
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:52,080
Speaker 14: Have you ever applied for Chinese citizenship?

1649
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:55,439
Speaker 10: Senator, I serve my nation in Singapore, No, I did not.

1650
01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:57,719
Speaker 14: Do you have a Singaporean passport?

1651
01:23:58,160 --> 01:24:00,759
Speaker 10: Yes, and I served my military for Since.

1652
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:02,960
Speaker 14: You have any other Do you have any other passports?

1653
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 10: Any other names. No, Senator.

1654
01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:07,320
Speaker 14: Your wife is an American citizen. Your children are American citizens,

1655
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:09,800
Speaker 14: that's correct. Have you ever applied for American citizenship?

1656
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:10,360
Speaker 8: No?

1657
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:11,400
Speaker 10: Not yet.

1658
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:17,400
Speaker 14: Okay. Have you ever been a member of the Chinese Communist.

1659
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:18,600
Speaker 10: Party, Senata, I'm Singaporeon.

1660
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:18,880
Speaker 1: No.

1661
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:21,880
Speaker 14: Have you ever been associated or affiliated with the Chinese

1662
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:22,679
Speaker 14: Communist Party?

1663
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:24,560
Speaker 10: No, Senator again, I'm Singapoleon.

1664
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:26,800
Speaker 14: Let me ask you some hopefully simple questions. You said

1665
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:30,200
Speaker 14: earlier in response to their question that what happened at

1666
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:32,519
Speaker 14: tenem And Square in June of nineteen eighty nine was

1667
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:36,360
Speaker 14: a massive protest. Anything else happened in Tianaman Square.

1668
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:38,439
Speaker 10: Yes, I think, as well documented it was a messica.

1669
01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 2: Clearly, Cotton there is trying to get a like make

1670
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 2: him uncomfortable, like, oh, you can't say this because you're

1671
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:45,800
Speaker 2: being handled by the Chinese Communist Party, And he has

1672
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:48,320
Speaker 2: no problem saying whatsoever. And in my opinion, Cotton just

1673
01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:51,320
Speaker 2: looks like a total and complete idiot there and whatever

1674
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:53,519
Speaker 2: point he's trying to make, I think is very badly

1675
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:56,080
Speaker 2: served by this line of question, in which he seems

1676
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:59,120
Speaker 2: to not understand that Singapore is a completely different country

1677
01:24:59,200 --> 01:24:59,919
Speaker 2: from China.

1678
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:02,840
Speaker 3: He had asked these questions leading up to that exchange,

1679
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:07,240
Speaker 3: which were interesting about him formerly being the CFO Byte Dance,

1680
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:09,599
Speaker 3: which is based in Beijing and is the parent company.

1681
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:16,080
Speaker 3: And then the CCP was given a board seat on

1682
01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:22,599
Speaker 3: the Byte Dance board and the next day Tchue was

1683
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 3: made the CEO of TikTok, which is American based company,

1684
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:30,160
Speaker 3: And so he was talking about how he had lived

1685
01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:32,880
Speaker 3: in Beijing for those five years and that's where it

1686
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:34,640
Speaker 3: was leading up to that exchange with Conton, which I

1687
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:37,200
Speaker 3: think does make it more interesting that he did.

1688
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:39,439
Speaker 1: There is a CCP, like.

1689
01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:42,439
Speaker 3: Many many companies, and this is what the TikTok CEO

1690
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:45,479
Speaker 3: says to Cotton, Like many companies, basically any company operating

1691
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:48,120
Speaker 3: in China, there's a branch of the CCP that is

1692
01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:51,120
Speaker 3: made up of TikTok employees that operates I'm sorry, Byte

1693
01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:55,960
Speaker 3: Dance employees that operates within the Byte Dance headquarters in Beijing,

1694
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:59,600
Speaker 3: which again is totally normal in China. Although when you

1695
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 3: have vast power over an American company and Cotton gets

1696
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:05,800
Speaker 3: him to concede that because of the National Security Law

1697
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:10,519
Speaker 3: in twenty seventeen, technically by dances able or would be

1698
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:13,320
Speaker 3: compelled to give data over to the Chinese Communist Party,

1699
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:17,160
Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. Now, the Tianaman Square thing a

1700
01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:19,400
Speaker 3: little bit of a different story. There was evidence that

1701
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:21,880
Speaker 3: they were like suppressing that, but they haven't been for

1702
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:22,360
Speaker 3: a while.

1703
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:23,080
Speaker 1: Ostensibly.

1704
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:27,720
Speaker 2: I mean, I used to be sympathetic to these security

1705
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:31,599
Speaker 2: concerns with regard to TikTok and China. I would say

1706
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:36,040
Speaker 2: I was skeptical, but somewhat sympathetic. I'm just not anymore

1707
01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:38,439
Speaker 2: because there's a variety of reasons. I mean, first of all,

1708
01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:42,639
Speaker 2: once again, it's these people's job to regulate tech companies.

1709
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:46,120
Speaker 2: So if you want to regulate TikTok, then you're a

1710
01:26:46,240 --> 01:26:49,120
Speaker 2: United States senator. This is an American company. You can

1711
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:51,760
Speaker 2: do that. That's number one. Number two, no one could

1712
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:54,120
Speaker 2: ever spell out for me, like what is the super

1713
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:58,240
Speaker 2: scary possible outcome that we should all be so terrified of?

1714
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:01,639
Speaker 2: That is different with tikto talk. Then you know the

1715
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:05,160
Speaker 2: outcomes of invasion of privacy and failing our kids and

1716
01:27:05,200 --> 01:27:07,120
Speaker 2: all of those things that we already have to deal

1717
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:10,200
Speaker 2: with all of the tech platforms. And I've never heard

1718
01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:13,040
Speaker 2: a good answer for that, especially because you know the

1719
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:16,880
Speaker 2: data that is being collected on TikTok users. This is

1720
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:20,759
Speaker 2: data that is open for purchase on like the free market.

1721
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:25,360
Speaker 2: So there's not anything like extra special, super secret that

1722
01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 2: TikTok is collecting here that's not already available. And again

1723
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:34,200
Speaker 2: I think that Cotton's line of questioning here sort of

1724
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:38,400
Speaker 2: exposes that a lot of the concern is really mostly

1725
01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:41,280
Speaker 2: just like a genda moral panic, where you know, it's

1726
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:43,519
Speaker 2: people who are China hawks that want to say anything

1727
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:45,880
Speaker 2: that China touches is bad and scary and we should

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01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:48,439
Speaker 2: have nothing to do with it, without laying out to

1729
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:51,439
Speaker 2: any sort of conclusion of what we should genuinely be

1730
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:54,800
Speaker 2: frightened of. And again, Tom Cotton is one of the

1731
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:57,599
Speaker 2: most you know, I don't throw these terms around lightly,

1732
01:27:57,640 --> 01:28:01,640
Speaker 2: but he's one of the most like authoritarian, what's the

1733
01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:04,559
Speaker 2: right word. He's like, has the most authoritarian instincts, but

1734
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:10,439
Speaker 2: of any senator in the United States Senate. And so

1735
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:13,320
Speaker 2: what this ultimately amounts to is just cracking down on

1736
01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:15,559
Speaker 2: a platform that again a lot of these people are

1737
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:17,960
Speaker 2: panicked about because they don't understand it, and their kids

1738
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:19,160
Speaker 2: are on it, and oh my god, what are the

1739
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:21,120
Speaker 2: kids doing these days? And by the way, they're trying

1740
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:23,120
Speaker 2: to destroy the Jewish state, et cetera, et cetera. So

1741
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:25,840
Speaker 2: I just I don't really have I don't I no

1742
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:29,799
Speaker 2: longer have the sympathy for these concerns that I once entertained.

1743
01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:32,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't worry so much about the data as

1744
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 3: I do. Like the very subtle explosion of Chinese propaganda.

1745
01:28:38,120 --> 01:28:39,920
Speaker 3: That would be really scary if there were like a

1746
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:42,280
Speaker 3: hot war over Taiwan, and not to get into what

1747
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:44,280
Speaker 3: the right move would be, I don't want that to happen.

1748
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:46,840
Speaker 3: It does seem like some hawks on the left and

1749
01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:49,040
Speaker 3: the right do want that to happen, or like Nikki

1750
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:49,800
Speaker 3: Hayley like it feel like.

1751
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:50,960
Speaker 1: She wants that to happen.

1752
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:54,840
Speaker 2: So yeah, you say the same thing about you know,

1753
01:28:55,320 --> 01:28:59,879
Speaker 2: like Rumble absolutely got banned in Brazil and France because

1754
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:02,479
Speaker 2: I think in one of those instances it was because

1755
01:29:02,479 --> 01:29:04,519
Speaker 2: they had r T on there. And it says almost

1756
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:08,080
Speaker 2: the Russian propaganda and RT getting banned from YouTube or whatever,

1757
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:10,680
Speaker 2: oh my god, this foreign government's propaganda.

1758
01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:13,559
Speaker 3: But basically nobody watches our t and TikTok is like

1759
01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:14,879
Speaker 3: super super popular.

1760
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:17,320
Speaker 2: But I mean, I'm just saying that that argument is

1761
01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:19,360
Speaker 2: used in a lot of different ways and I don't

1762
01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:22,120
Speaker 2: support it because I do think that it's important to

1763
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:26,639
Speaker 2: be able to hear what foreign governments are saying. Agree,

1764
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:29,880
Speaker 2: totally agree, And it's only ever used against the like

1765
01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:33,719
Speaker 2: official battie countries too, by the way, like the ones

1766
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:35,760
Speaker 2: that the US has an issue with, they're the ones

1767
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:39,480
Speaker 2: that get subjected to this level of censorship. So yeah,

1768
01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:42,679
Speaker 2: I view this this whole genre of concerns about TikTok

1769
01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:44,720
Speaker 2: at this point, I basically view as sort of like

1770
01:29:44,760 --> 01:29:46,519
Speaker 2: an anti China moral panic.

1771
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:50,960
Speaker 3: I want you and soccer to have a like cage match,

1772
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:52,760
Speaker 3: like WWE stuff find about this.

1773
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:55,040
Speaker 1: I think that would be really fun.

1774
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:56,840
Speaker 2: To Well, he's still sick, so I've got an.

1775
01:29:58,720 --> 01:30:00,800
Speaker 1: If he's sick, we don't know that, haven't confirmed it.

1776
01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:03,840
Speaker 3: He says he's sick, but against we haven't seen the test.

1777
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:07,719
Speaker 3: I think he's smoking weed. That's my favorite joke about Snager.

1778
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:09,760
Speaker 3: I use it too much, but it never gets old

1779
01:30:09,800 --> 01:30:16,840
Speaker 3: on my mind. Speaking of important political issues, Taylor Swift.

1780
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:19,400
Speaker 2: The most important political issues we have to talk about

1781
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:23,920
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift. Indeed we do. Yeah, so there's a lot

1782
01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:26,559
Speaker 2: going on. I really need you to explain this to me, Emily,

1783
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:29,920
Speaker 2: because I can't say that I really understand, but okay,

1784
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:32,840
Speaker 2: I'm sure you guys are aware. Taylor Swift is dating

1785
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:35,600
Speaker 2: this football player and it's become this whole thing, and

1786
01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:38,280
Speaker 2: there was whole freak out over their relationship and the

1787
01:30:38,280 --> 01:30:40,920
Speaker 2: fact you'd be on camera at his games. And this

1788
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:45,880
Speaker 2: has sparked some next level conspiracy theories. Yeah, and it's

1789
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:49,160
Speaker 2: not really confined to like one or two right wing influencers.

1790
01:30:49,200 --> 01:30:53,040
Speaker 2: This is like really taken route and it has sparked

1791
01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:58,519
Speaker 2: an entire genre of Taylor Swift, deep state Joe Biden

1792
01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:01,519
Speaker 2: conspiracy theories. In some ways, it was kicked off by

1793
01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:05,040
Speaker 2: Viveke Ramaswamilus put this up on the screen. So he says,

1794
01:31:05,080 --> 01:31:07,200
Speaker 2: I wonder who's going to win the Super Bowl next month?

1795
01:31:07,240 --> 01:31:09,559
Speaker 2: Because the Kansas City Chiefs are going to the Super Bowl,

1796
01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:11,679
Speaker 2: and that's the one the team that Taylor Show's boyfriend

1797
01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:15,160
Speaker 2: Travis Kelsey plays for. And I wonder if there's a

1798
01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:19,280
Speaker 2: major presidential endorsement coming from an artificially culturally propped up

1799
01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:23,280
Speaker 2: couple this fall. Just some wild speculation over here. Let's

1800
01:31:23,320 --> 01:31:26,240
Speaker 2: see how it ages over the next eight months. Okay,

1801
01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:29,120
Speaker 2: So the theory here is that the Super Bowl will

1802
01:31:29,160 --> 01:31:34,040
Speaker 2: be rigged to benefit Taylor Swift, who already has been

1803
01:31:34,040 --> 01:31:37,080
Speaker 2: an A list pop star for like a decade at

1804
01:31:37,080 --> 01:31:40,720
Speaker 2: this point. At least at least a decade at this point. Okay, So,

1805
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:45,400
Speaker 2: and somehow that's going to enable a Joe Biden endorsement,

1806
01:31:45,439 --> 01:31:47,920
Speaker 2: which is going to be a real game changer, because, yeah,

1807
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:51,680
Speaker 2: celebrity endorsements really seem to make a huge difference in politics.

1808
01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:54,240
Speaker 2: That's the theory is being floated here by Vivek. But

1809
01:31:54,360 --> 01:31:57,680
Speaker 2: he was far from alone. As I mentioned, there's been

1810
01:31:57,880 --> 01:32:01,439
Speaker 2: a whole raft of additional common terry in theories about

1811
01:32:01,439 --> 01:32:04,519
Speaker 2: what's really going on here. We've got a smattering of

1812
01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:07,400
Speaker 2: this commentary for you to sample. Let's take a listen.

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01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:11,000
Speaker 11: America's pop star celebrity Sweetheart joins forces with the top

1814
01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:13,720
Speaker 11: dog in the NFL, playing for the team that's going

1815
01:32:13,720 --> 01:32:16,240
Speaker 11: to the Super Bowl. I mean, let's be real here,

1816
01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:21,280
Speaker 11: this is Breton circuses on steroids. Major League Sports in

1817
01:32:21,360 --> 01:32:24,080
Speaker 11: and of itself, is nothing but a syop. Get kids

1818
01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:27,120
Speaker 11: plugged into the cycle of going to public indoctrination camps,

1819
01:32:27,240 --> 01:32:29,120
Speaker 11: playing sports for their school.

1820
01:32:29,160 --> 01:32:30,160
Speaker 2: And go into games.

1821
01:32:30,720 --> 01:32:33,760
Speaker 11: Many end up devoting their entire childhood to competing in

1822
01:32:33,840 --> 01:32:36,240
Speaker 11: various sports, only to be cut from the team, at

1823
01:32:36,280 --> 01:32:40,160
Speaker 11: which point they become brainwashed into supporting professional teams because

1824
01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:43,880
Speaker 11: they know their dreams of becoming a pro athlete will

1825
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:46,960
Speaker 11: probably never have it. So then they become obsessed with

1826
01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:50,400
Speaker 11: some grown man who gets paid millions of dollars every

1827
01:32:50,439 --> 01:32:53,080
Speaker 11: year to throw a ball around while promoting poison death

1828
01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:57,040
Speaker 11: shots and child slave labor through various brand deals and endorsements.

1829
01:32:57,080 --> 01:33:00,639
Speaker 11: So sad imagine being so brainwashed by sport to actually

1830
01:33:00,640 --> 01:33:03,040
Speaker 11: show up to your team stadium to shovel snow for

1831
01:33:03,080 --> 01:33:05,679
Speaker 11: free so you can watch a bunch of grown men

1832
01:33:06,040 --> 01:33:08,040
Speaker 11: who are overpaid tackle each other.

1833
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:11,080
Speaker 13: Sure seems like something that is like concocted in order

1834
01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:17,479
Speaker 13: to accelerate the fame of these two people. Get them

1835
01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:21,040
Speaker 13: to the super Bowl, the largest screens on earth. Get

1836
01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:24,320
Speaker 13: maybe a get, maybe like a proposal after the get

1837
01:33:24,439 --> 01:33:26,240
Speaker 13: is my this is what I think is gonna happen.

1838
01:33:26,280 --> 01:33:28,160
Speaker 13: There's gonna be like some type of proposal.

1839
01:33:28,560 --> 01:33:31,240
Speaker 17: Or maybe she just bought into all the lies about

1840
01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:35,600
Speaker 17: Conservatives and Republicans, that they're racist and sexist and homophobic

1841
01:33:35,640 --> 01:33:40,240
Speaker 17: and xenophobic and transphobic and islamophobic, that Republicans and conservatives

1842
01:33:40,240 --> 01:33:42,640
Speaker 17: want dirty air and water and a total ban on

1843
01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:45,960
Speaker 17: all abortion with no exceptions. If she believes all that,

1844
01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:49,000
Speaker 17: she is believing a lie because those talking points are

1845
01:33:49,040 --> 01:33:52,680
Speaker 17: simply untrue. Now, I'm just saying, maybe she wants to

1846
01:33:52,720 --> 01:33:54,679
Speaker 17: think twice before making a decision.

1847
01:33:54,680 --> 01:33:57,720
Speaker 2: About twenty twenty four, that was just, you know, the

1848
01:33:57,760 --> 01:33:59,240
Speaker 2: tip of the ice. But there was a lot more

1849
01:33:59,560 --> 01:34:01,880
Speaker 2: that That. Dude Benny Johnson, who we had a low

1850
01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:03,600
Speaker 2: clib of, he also put out this tweet that I

1851
01:34:03,680 --> 01:34:05,160
Speaker 2: have to read for you because it really does check

1852
01:34:05,200 --> 01:34:08,559
Speaker 2: every box. He says. By now everyone knows Taylor Swift

1853
01:34:08,600 --> 01:34:11,000
Speaker 2: is the government sigh off, and this is exactly why

1854
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:13,280
Speaker 2: corporate media is having a meltdown about it. By the way,

1855
01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:15,759
Speaker 2: you all seem to be the ones having the meltdown.

1856
01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:19,280
Speaker 2: And just like say, four years ago, the Pentagon Psychological

1857
01:34:19,280 --> 01:34:22,960
Speaker 2: Operations Unit pitched NATO about turning Taylor Swift into a

1858
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:27,000
Speaker 2: social influence asset. In twenty nineteen, George Soros bought her

1859
01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:30,120
Speaker 2: entire music catalog. In twenty twenty, she came out as

1860
01:34:30,160 --> 01:34:34,960
Speaker 2: a raging liberal Joe Biden supporter after previously being politically neutral.

1861
01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:37,240
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty three, her air Is tour raked in

1862
01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:40,679
Speaker 2: higher revenue than the GDP of fifty countries. In twenty

1863
01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:43,479
Speaker 2: twenty three, she helped register over thirty five thousand new

1864
01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:46,840
Speaker 2: voters with a single Instagram post. And now she's dating

1865
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:49,840
Speaker 2: a Pfizer and bud Light agent in the NFL age

1866
01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:53,200
Speaker 2: Apparently agent yeah, agent apparently does like ads for them

1867
01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:55,200
Speaker 2: or whatever, And that was part of the freakout the

1868
01:34:55,240 --> 01:34:58,320
Speaker 2: most washed live sport in America. Even the NYT wrote

1869
01:34:58,320 --> 01:34:59,800
Speaker 2: a story in how Biden is courting her friend and

1870
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,040
Speaker 2: horseman and how he wants to appear on stage with

1871
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:05,000
Speaker 2: our Emily. You don't have to be a conspiracy theorists

1872
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:06,800
Speaker 2: to put it all together. You just have to be

1873
01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:07,439
Speaker 2: paying attention.

1874
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:09,960
Speaker 1: That's my favorite part. You just have to be paying attention.

1875
01:35:10,640 --> 01:35:13,559
Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean I know Benny Benny is actually

1876
01:35:13,680 --> 01:35:16,000
Speaker 3: has a lot of support and he's like very popular

1877
01:35:16,160 --> 01:35:18,720
Speaker 3: on the right. So I can't excuse this one in

1878
01:35:18,720 --> 01:35:20,080
Speaker 3: a lot of ways, do you know? You know like this,

1879
01:35:20,280 --> 01:35:22,639
Speaker 3: it is legitimately true that sometimes the media will take

1880
01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:25,919
Speaker 3: it's called nutpicking. We'll take quotes from a crazy leftist

1881
01:35:26,280 --> 01:35:30,160
Speaker 3: or a crazy like hardcore conservative and paint the entire

1882
01:35:30,240 --> 01:35:32,840
Speaker 3: movement that way and say conservatives and mass are freaking

1883
01:35:32,840 --> 01:35:33,799
Speaker 3: out about Taylor Swift.

1884
01:35:34,040 --> 01:35:34,840
Speaker 1: This is actually so.

1885
01:35:34,920 --> 01:35:38,000
Speaker 3: Widespread among people on the right that we have a

1886
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:40,400
Speaker 3: big story up at the Federalists today with the headline

1887
01:35:40,400 --> 01:35:43,120
Speaker 3: that has simply stopped trying to make Taylor Swift as

1888
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:48,120
Speaker 3: a syop happen, telling people like, there's actually something very

1889
01:35:48,320 --> 01:35:54,799
Speaker 3: conservative about Taylor Swift, who has rocketed to astronomical degrees

1890
01:35:54,800 --> 01:35:58,599
Speaker 3: of fame, foll love with this, like middle American football

1891
01:35:58,640 --> 01:36:01,839
Speaker 3: player who if people know about the Kelsey's, are still

1892
01:36:01,880 --> 01:36:06,439
Speaker 3: like pretty humble. His brother Jason is just like a

1893
01:36:06,479 --> 01:36:09,719
Speaker 3: total bro. And I have a friend that Sager knows

1894
01:36:09,840 --> 01:36:12,120
Speaker 3: who I was talking to him the other day about

1895
01:36:12,120 --> 01:36:14,120
Speaker 3: this and he was like, I don't know.

1896
01:36:14,040 --> 01:36:16,599
Speaker 1: Why conservatives are so upset. The bros are.

1897
01:36:16,560 --> 01:36:19,200
Speaker 3: Back, Travis Kelcey, Taylor Swift.

1898
01:36:19,240 --> 01:36:21,240
Speaker 1: The bros are back. The bros have never been back

1899
01:36:21,439 --> 01:36:22,120
Speaker 1: so hard.

1900
01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:26,040
Speaker 3: It is time for the bros like reclaim their territory

1901
01:36:26,680 --> 01:36:28,000
Speaker 3: because Travis Kelcey is.

1902
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:30,439
Speaker 1: Like the ultimate bro and he just got the ultimate girl.

1903
01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:35,120
Speaker 3: And there's something you know in a way, as conservatives.

1904
01:36:34,600 --> 01:36:36,799
Speaker 1: Have now rebutted the other conservatives saying.

1905
01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:39,519
Speaker 3: You know, let them be you know, happy, and if

1906
01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:41,240
Speaker 3: they want to get married, because there's been leaks about

1907
01:36:41,240 --> 01:36:44,240
Speaker 3: an engagement, like all all power to for them.

1908
01:36:44,479 --> 01:36:47,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're supposed to support marriage, right, that's supposed

1909
01:36:47,640 --> 01:36:51,080
Speaker 2: to be like a conservative family value situation. I actually

1910
01:36:51,120 --> 01:36:53,360
Speaker 2: think that part of why there's a freak ount is

1911
01:36:53,400 --> 01:36:55,720
Speaker 2: because a lot of conservatives feel like she should have

1912
01:36:55,800 --> 01:36:59,520
Speaker 2: been one of them. She's like yeah, and you know football.

1913
01:36:59,560 --> 01:37:01,600
Speaker 2: They feel like culturally this is this is one of

1914
01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:04,160
Speaker 2: the few cultural areas where we have some sort of

1915
01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:09,320
Speaker 2: traction very popular in Middle America, etc. And she originally

1916
01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:11,120
Speaker 2: had I mean, first of all, she became a star

1917
01:37:11,200 --> 01:37:14,160
Speaker 2: at such a young age, and she did just stay completely.

1918
01:37:14,200 --> 01:37:16,880
Speaker 2: She didn't say anything political. She came on the scene

1919
01:37:16,920 --> 01:37:19,360
Speaker 2: as more of like a country star and out of

1920
01:37:19,439 --> 01:37:22,640
Speaker 2: Nashville and whatever. And then she politically came out in

1921
01:37:22,640 --> 01:37:27,240
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen when she opposed Marsha Blackburn or Senate in Tennessee.

1922
01:37:27,720 --> 01:37:31,280
Speaker 2: And I mean her politics are very like plain vanilla

1923
01:37:31,360 --> 01:37:35,440
Speaker 2: resistance to live exactly like some ninety percent of Hollywood.

1924
01:37:35,720 --> 01:37:38,280
Speaker 2: There's nothing she's not been particular. I mean, she really

1925
01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:42,120
Speaker 2: has been fairly non political. She very occasionally will weigh in.

1926
01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:47,040
Speaker 2: She did endorse Biden last time around, But the panic

1927
01:37:47,120 --> 01:37:49,320
Speaker 2: and the freak count over this is also preposterous to

1928
01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:52,280
Speaker 2: me because there's some I don't I feel like the

1929
01:37:52,320 --> 01:37:54,640
Speaker 2: Biden people are deluding themselves about this too, that a

1930
01:37:54,680 --> 01:37:58,160
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift endorsement is going to mean absolutely anything, Like

1931
01:37:58,200 --> 01:38:01,160
Speaker 2: if we learn nothing from Hillary Clint, she every celebrity

1932
01:38:01,240 --> 01:38:05,280
Speaker 2: endorser doing concerts with Jay Z and Beyonce. What did

1933
01:38:05,320 --> 01:38:07,479
Speaker 2: that matter is Hillary Clinton? Was she president of the

1934
01:38:07,560 --> 01:38:12,080
Speaker 2: United States? No, So the idea that Taylor Swift's endorsement

1935
01:38:12,640 --> 01:38:14,880
Speaker 2: is going to be the game changer for the election

1936
01:38:15,080 --> 01:38:18,599
Speaker 2: is also to me so incredibly silly. So that's there's

1937
01:38:18,640 --> 01:38:21,800
Speaker 2: so many levels of this genuine freak out that I

1938
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Speaker 2: can't understand. And then I do have to go back

1939
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Speaker 2: to that Allison's angle clip that we played where she

1940
01:38:27,320 --> 01:38:29,679
Speaker 2: was like that is not only is Taylor Swift a saya.

1941
01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:33,800
Speaker 2: Professional sports are a syap. Youth sports that you put

1942
01:38:33,800 --> 01:38:36,000
Speaker 2: your kids in, you know, the parks and rec league

1943
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:37,920
Speaker 2: or whatever that your kids are playing, and that's a

1944
01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:42,360
Speaker 2: syop too. I can't imagine messaging that is more poisonous

1945
01:38:42,479 --> 01:38:45,559
Speaker 2: to just like regular Americans going about their lives. If

1946
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:47,720
Speaker 2: they heard that would be like, what the hell is

1947
01:38:47,800 --> 01:38:50,400
Speaker 2: wrong with you? What are you on? And I want

1948
01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:53,960
Speaker 2: nothing to no part of whatever your political project is here.

1949
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Speaker 1: Weren't you like a youth sports champion?

1950
01:38:56,360 --> 01:38:59,960
Speaker 2: I was a swimmer, Yes, so back in my day

1951
01:39:00,400 --> 01:39:04,080
Speaker 2: you spoke like somebody who was.

1952
01:39:04,080 --> 01:39:07,799
Speaker 3: Brainwashed by the youth sports right, And well the other.

1953
01:39:07,720 --> 01:39:10,000
Speaker 1: Thing there's I mean, there's just we could go on

1954
01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:12,679
Speaker 1: forever about this. I think you're right about.

1955
01:39:12,479 --> 01:39:16,000
Speaker 3: People thinking that Taylor Swift was one of them. Taylor Swift,

1956
01:39:16,080 --> 01:39:19,200
Speaker 3: a lot of people forgot. She had a song where

1957
01:39:19,439 --> 01:39:25,120
Speaker 3: she originally the lyric was that's fine, I'll tell mine

1958
01:39:25,120 --> 01:39:27,680
Speaker 3: that you're gay about like friend y.

1959
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

1960
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Speaker 3: I think it was picture to Burns. It was like

1961
01:39:30,040 --> 01:39:33,200
Speaker 3: her first or second record, and she said I think

1962
01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:35,840
Speaker 3: at one point that she was Republican. She did given

1963
01:39:35,920 --> 01:39:39,080
Speaker 3: signaling in the other direction and then got really famous

1964
01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:43,000
Speaker 3: and you know, did the Welcome to New York, moved

1965
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:45,160
Speaker 3: to New York thing, kind of the small town girl

1966
01:39:45,360 --> 01:39:48,600
Speaker 3: archetype moving to New York City and seemed to like

1967
01:39:48,720 --> 01:39:51,240
Speaker 3: be liberal. So people could project all of that onto

1968
01:39:51,360 --> 01:39:55,080
Speaker 3: Taylor Swift. As she got wealthy, she became more liberal.

1969
01:39:55,080 --> 01:39:58,280
Speaker 3: And maybe there's something to that because the arc potentially,

1970
01:39:58,320 --> 01:40:00,880
Speaker 3: like of her signaling where she was politically might follow that.

1971
01:40:01,560 --> 01:40:03,679
Speaker 1: But that's not just Taylor Swift. That's very common.

1972
01:40:04,120 --> 01:40:07,920
Speaker 3: And you know, I don't find her politics to be

1973
01:40:07,920 --> 01:40:12,160
Speaker 3: that compelling. I think she's been like very snobbish about

1974
01:40:12,200 --> 01:40:16,920
Speaker 3: her politics, honestly, and I've written about that before. But

1975
01:40:16,920 --> 01:40:22,000
Speaker 3: but all that is to say the real there was

1976
01:40:22,120 --> 01:40:25,640
Speaker 3: data behind the fact that when Taylor Swift posted a

1977
01:40:25,680 --> 01:40:28,120
Speaker 3: link to a voter registration drive, I think it was

1978
01:40:28,160 --> 01:40:32,200
Speaker 3: like in Tennessee, voter registrations among young people like actually

1979
01:40:32,720 --> 01:40:36,760
Speaker 3: were huge. She actually legitimately drove voter registrations, and people

1980
01:40:36,840 --> 01:40:39,880
Speaker 3: are really scared of that politically.

1981
01:40:39,439 --> 01:40:41,000
Speaker 1: And maybe you vote.

1982
01:40:41,439 --> 01:40:45,280
Speaker 3: Maybe you're right that Joe Biden is even like to

1983
01:40:46,080 --> 01:40:49,479
Speaker 3: the Biden campaign and Democrats are even too willing to

1984
01:40:49,479 --> 01:40:51,559
Speaker 3: buy into that that Taylor Swift can like swing the

1985
01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:57,240
Speaker 3: election for them. But but if you're conservative, it's true,

1986
01:40:57,400 --> 01:40:58,920
Speaker 3: like a lot of the country is sick of the

1987
01:40:58,920 --> 01:41:02,519
Speaker 3: cameras panning to Taylor Swift when Travis Kelsey plays it

1988
01:41:02,600 --> 01:41:06,120
Speaker 3: is like I find it incredibly annoying. I understand especially

1989
01:41:06,120 --> 01:41:08,840
Speaker 3: why a lot of people who aren't Taylor Swift fans

1990
01:41:08,880 --> 01:41:11,160
Speaker 3: or don't care about pop music find it really annoying.

1991
01:41:12,240 --> 01:41:16,760
Speaker 3: But this woman sold out tours like revitalized local economies.

1992
01:41:16,880 --> 01:41:19,120
Speaker 2: Didn't she like cause earthquakes with her tour? I mean

1993
01:41:19,160 --> 01:41:22,559
Speaker 2: it was like so gigantic, and here's the enormously popular.

1994
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Speaker 3: So the way to address the idea of Taylor Swift

1995
01:41:25,800 --> 01:41:29,959
Speaker 3: driving voter registration is not to attack Taylor's Swift.

1996
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Speaker 1: I mean that's insane, Like she's beloved.

1997
01:41:33,439 --> 01:41:37,120
Speaker 3: So going after Taylor Swift does a syop is not

1998
01:41:37,240 --> 01:41:38,719
Speaker 3: the way to like win your election.

1999
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Speaker 1: That's not gonna help you.

2000
01:41:39,960 --> 01:41:42,160
Speaker 2: It's not gonna help you again. I mean, I'm just

2001
01:41:42,160 --> 01:41:46,200
Speaker 2: skeptical that these, even the biggest celebrity endorser, really makes

2002
01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:50,280
Speaker 2: any difference in the grand scheme of things Democrats typically get,

2003
01:41:50,479 --> 01:41:53,800
Speaker 2: you know, the overwhelming majority of the celebrity endorsements. I

2004
01:41:53,800 --> 01:41:56,040
Speaker 2: did love Jack to Zovic when he was talking about

2005
01:41:56,080 --> 01:41:58,519
Speaker 2: his theories on this and Taylor being a Siab and Wine.

2006
01:41:58,600 --> 01:42:01,400
Speaker 2: He's like, we got you know, Kid Rock and.

2007
01:42:01,479 --> 01:42:04,480
Speaker 1: John bo Wait and Ted Nugent don't forget and Ted NuGen.

2008
01:42:04,439 --> 01:42:06,120
Speaker 2: So you know, we're good. We don't need we don't

2009
01:42:06,160 --> 01:42:08,280
Speaker 2: even need her, we don't even need her. That's the

2010
01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:10,960
Speaker 2: other layer that has been really interesting, Emily is the

2011
01:42:11,040 --> 01:42:13,320
Speaker 2: number of conservatives also who are out there like I

2012
01:42:13,320 --> 01:42:15,479
Speaker 2: don't even think she's like good looking at all, Like

2013
01:42:15,560 --> 01:42:18,000
Speaker 2: she's not even my tie, she's mid. Yeah, come on.

2014
01:42:18,360 --> 01:42:22,679
Speaker 2: This whole trend of pretending like incredibly beautiful women are

2015
01:42:22,920 --> 01:42:26,360
Speaker 2: actually not that attractive and mid is extremely annoying. And

2016
01:42:26,439 --> 01:42:30,080
Speaker 2: so there's also that level of a bunch of dudes

2017
01:42:30,120 --> 01:42:32,280
Speaker 2: who know they could never get Taylor Swift or anyone

2018
01:42:32,320 --> 01:42:36,599
Speaker 2: approaching her level, being like I wouldn't even want her anyway,

2019
01:42:36,640 --> 01:42:39,519
Speaker 2: She's not even attractive whatever. Who even cares about this woman?

2020
01:42:39,800 --> 01:42:43,240
Speaker 2: But to your point about her success, Like if you

2021
01:42:43,320 --> 01:42:45,519
Speaker 2: have a problem with Taylor Swift being everywhere and being

2022
01:42:45,520 --> 01:42:48,439
Speaker 2: so successful and NFL panning to her and you know,

2023
01:42:48,560 --> 01:42:50,840
Speaker 2: more tickets being sold to the Kansas City Chiefs or

2024
01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:53,840
Speaker 2: whatever because she's there, your problem is with capitalism, Like

2025
01:42:53,880 --> 01:42:56,200
Speaker 2: they're trying to get more eyeballs that make a buck,

2026
01:42:56,360 --> 01:43:00,439
Speaker 2: that's what. There's no conspiracy, that's just capitalism. That's just

2027
01:43:00,520 --> 01:43:04,639
Speaker 2: like marketing. And she has a very broad appeal across

2028
01:43:04,680 --> 01:43:08,000
Speaker 2: a wide demographic who are interested in her and her

2029
01:43:08,040 --> 01:43:10,320
Speaker 2: songs and are more likely I guess, apparently to watch

2030
01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:12,640
Speaker 2: a football game when her face is up there, you know,

2031
01:43:12,920 --> 01:43:17,320
Speaker 2: or when her boyfriend dynamics are on display. So that's

2032
01:43:17,720 --> 01:43:20,680
Speaker 2: that's the real scio p here. I guess is capitalism.

2033
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Speaker 3: My colleague Mark Hemingway, Well, actually a lot of people

2034
01:43:23,439 --> 01:43:24,840
Speaker 3: in the sort of k new right would agree with that.

2035
01:43:24,840 --> 01:43:27,479
Speaker 3: They'd be like, hell, yeah, the problem's capitalism. But my

2036
01:43:27,479 --> 01:43:29,240
Speaker 3: colleague Mark Hemingway, when he was writing about this on

2037
01:43:29,280 --> 01:43:32,479
Speaker 3: The Federalist this morning, is like, the right desperately needs

2038
01:43:32,479 --> 01:43:37,120
Speaker 3: to stop letting very online people control the sort of

2039
01:43:37,200 --> 01:43:40,880
Speaker 3: conservative message and discourse. And in a sense, you know,

2040
01:43:40,920 --> 01:43:45,360
Speaker 3: it's great that people who are marginalized as enfranchised don't

2041
01:43:45,400 --> 01:43:48,840
Speaker 3: have a foothold in Washington, d C. Have a voice,

2042
01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:51,560
Speaker 3: and those aren't always going to be like perfectly packaged

2043
01:43:51,640 --> 01:43:55,400
Speaker 3: cable news voices, and that's totally fine. On the other hand,

2044
01:43:56,479 --> 01:44:00,439
Speaker 3: there's some like legitimate cranks that are a will just

2045
01:44:00,479 --> 01:44:04,120
Speaker 3: like spout off about absolutely insane stuff and it builds

2046
01:44:04,120 --> 01:44:07,160
Speaker 3: on each other. Yeah, because people are so scared of

2047
01:44:07,200 --> 01:44:10,000
Speaker 3: getting piled on on Twitter that they don't just say.

2048
01:44:09,800 --> 01:44:12,800
Speaker 1: Like, dude, you gotta cut this out. It's not good.

2049
01:44:13,400 --> 01:44:15,479
Speaker 1: I know, the guy did commercials for Pfizer.

2050
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:17,960
Speaker 3: But like, this isn't part of a grand scheme to

2051
01:44:18,760 --> 01:44:22,120
Speaker 3: like tip the election for Joe Biden. So it's just

2052
01:44:22,160 --> 01:44:24,200
Speaker 3: snowballs in a really unfortunate way.

2053
01:44:24,240 --> 01:44:26,840
Speaker 2: The Internet has its own set of incentives, you know,

2054
01:44:26,920 --> 01:44:29,000
Speaker 2: corporate media has a sent of incentives. The Internet. It

2055
01:44:29,040 --> 01:44:31,680
Speaker 2: has its own set of incentives that has helped to

2056
01:44:31,920 --> 01:44:35,240
Speaker 2: perpetuate and pour gasoline on the flames of the Taylor

2057
01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:37,120
Speaker 2: Swift as a sie of conspiracy theory.

2058
01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:42,439
Speaker 3: Yay, just an absolute delight, Crystal. You have a really

2059
01:44:42,479 --> 01:44:45,559
Speaker 3: important story to cover right now. Tell us what you're

2060
01:44:45,560 --> 01:44:46,320
Speaker 3: thinking about today.

2061
01:44:46,560 --> 01:44:49,880
Speaker 2: Well, after all these months of horse things that once

2062
01:44:49,920 --> 01:44:54,080
Speaker 2: shocked and ignited global debates now pass with barely a word.

2063
01:44:54,439 --> 01:44:57,439
Speaker 2: Tax on hospitals once covered and is really justifications for

2064
01:44:57,479 --> 01:45:00,400
Speaker 2: what is almost always a war crime where fiercely can tested.

2065
01:45:00,920 --> 01:45:03,799
Speaker 2: Now scores of hospitals have been attacked. The media doesn't

2066
01:45:03,800 --> 01:45:07,360
Speaker 2: even keep track anymore. As Israeli atrocities have become impossible

2067
01:45:07,400 --> 01:45:10,280
Speaker 2: to defend, the easier path for liberal Zionists has been

2068
01:45:10,400 --> 01:45:13,160
Speaker 2: simply turn away, like their eyes and their ears, harden

2069
01:45:13,200 --> 01:45:15,680
Speaker 2: their hearts to the horror. Even for those of us

2070
01:45:15,720 --> 01:45:18,519
Speaker 2: who can't or won't look away. How can any person

2071
01:45:18,600 --> 01:45:22,680
Speaker 2: truly fully grasp the absolute heartbreak and agony represented by

2072
01:45:22,680 --> 01:45:25,439
Speaker 2: images such as this. This map is a result of

2073
01:45:25,439 --> 01:45:28,720
Speaker 2: a Guardian investigation showing the sheer level of complete destruction

2074
01:45:28,920 --> 01:45:31,040
Speaker 2: of the Gaza strip. The red areas you see there

2075
01:45:31,040 --> 01:45:34,000
Speaker 2: that dominate the map, vividly illustrating the impact of a

2076
01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:38,160
Speaker 2: bombing campaign that even Joe Biden has described as indiscriminate.

2077
01:45:38,760 --> 01:45:42,000
Speaker 2: Each red pixel representing a house where a family gathered

2078
01:45:42,040 --> 01:45:44,519
Speaker 2: to celebrate a birth, or a death, or just the normal,

2079
01:45:44,600 --> 01:45:48,799
Speaker 2: beautiful humdrum of life. A school where children's dreams were nurtured,

2080
01:45:48,840 --> 01:45:51,600
Speaker 2: a hospital where countless newborns took their first breasts, and

2081
01:45:51,680 --> 01:45:54,960
Speaker 2: the loving arms of their parents. And now it's all

2082
01:45:55,040 --> 01:45:59,120
Speaker 2: painted in red and reduced to rubble. Somewhere under these

2083
01:45:59,160 --> 01:46:01,920
Speaker 2: red pixels are all so these solemn places where Palestinans

2084
01:46:01,920 --> 01:46:04,320
Speaker 2: said goodbye to their loved ones, buried them according to

2085
01:46:04,360 --> 01:46:07,080
Speaker 2: sacred traditions, laid them to rest with what they hoped

2086
01:46:07,240 --> 01:46:11,920
Speaker 2: would be eternal dignity. Even these graveyards places of mourning,

2087
01:46:12,160 --> 01:46:16,320
Speaker 2: symbolizing the link across generations. Even these were destroyed by

2088
01:46:16,320 --> 01:46:17,320
Speaker 2: the Israeli military.

2089
01:46:17,400 --> 01:46:20,000
Speaker 18: Today, the Israeli military acknowledged that they rolled into a

2090
01:46:20,040 --> 01:46:22,800
Speaker 18: cemetery took bodies out of graves as part of what

2091
01:46:22,840 --> 01:46:26,160
Speaker 18: they say as a search for Israeli hostages remains. But

2092
01:46:26,320 --> 01:46:28,680
Speaker 18: as the Israeli military put out that statement, we were

2093
01:46:28,680 --> 01:46:33,320
Speaker 18: completing our investigation into the Israeli military's desecration of cemeteries,

2094
01:46:33,320 --> 01:46:36,960
Speaker 18: and what we found is sixteen cemeteries across Gaza damaged

2095
01:46:37,080 --> 01:46:39,240
Speaker 18: or destroyed. I do want to warn our viewers that

2096
01:46:39,520 --> 01:46:42,280
Speaker 18: they may find some of these images the serving.

2097
01:46:44,479 --> 01:46:49,000
Speaker 5: In Gaza. Even the dead cannot escape the indignities of war.

2098
01:46:51,200 --> 01:46:54,520
Speaker 5: More than a dozen cemeteries like this one in Jabalia

2099
01:46:55,080 --> 01:46:59,800
Speaker 5: desecrated by the Israeli military. Gravestones destroyed, soil up to

2100
01:47:00,080 --> 01:47:03,640
Speaker 5: turned tread marks, leaving little left for the living to

2101
01:47:03,760 --> 01:47:09,240
Speaker 5: honor their dead. This is that same graveyard before the war.

2102
01:47:09,720 --> 01:47:12,800
Speaker 5: One month later, a series of treadmarks can be seen

2103
01:47:12,920 --> 01:47:17,960
Speaker 5: on the northwestern edge. It is no exception. A CNN

2104
01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:22,920
Speaker 5: analysis of videos and satellite imagery found that sixteen cemeteries

2105
01:47:22,960 --> 01:47:26,639
Speaker 5: have been damaged or destroyed by the Israeli military since

2106
01:47:26,680 --> 01:47:28,280
Speaker 5: it launched its ground offensive.

2107
01:47:28,520 --> 01:47:31,439
Speaker 2: So sixteen cemeteries, as I said, there were identified by

2108
01:47:31,439 --> 01:47:34,880
Speaker 2: CNN as having been desecrated in every way imaginable, and

2109
01:47:34,920 --> 01:47:39,320
Speaker 2: some truly beyond the imagination. Bodies, zoom tombs, destroyed, military

2110
01:47:39,360 --> 01:47:43,000
Speaker 2: outpat post established on top of grave sites. Now, it

2111
01:47:43,040 --> 01:47:45,799
Speaker 2: would be easy to overlook the destruction of these places

2112
01:47:45,800 --> 01:47:48,559
Speaker 2: and violation of these bodies, after all, they're already dead,

2113
01:47:48,640 --> 01:47:51,639
Speaker 2: and the scale of suffering the living understandably takes prece sense.

2114
01:47:52,240 --> 01:47:55,160
Speaker 2: But in the desecration of cemeteries we catch a glimpse

2115
01:47:55,280 --> 01:47:57,680
Speaker 2: of the true goals of this operation, and it has

2116
01:47:57,720 --> 01:48:01,200
Speaker 2: nothing to do with hunting Hummas or with Destroyingmas tunnels.

2117
01:48:01,200 --> 01:48:05,920
Speaker 2: In truth, Israel seeks the total annihilation of Palestinian life.

2118
01:48:06,200 --> 01:48:09,400
Speaker 2: In fact, eighty percent of the tunnel system remains intact,

2119
01:48:09,520 --> 01:48:12,040
Speaker 2: and while some Hammas fighters yes have been killed, the

2120
01:48:12,120 --> 01:48:14,879
Speaker 2: commitment to violent resistance that's the life flood of Hamas

2121
01:48:14,920 --> 01:48:18,760
Speaker 2: has probably never been stronger in practical terms of organization

2122
01:48:18,840 --> 01:48:22,400
Speaker 2: and power as well. Hamas is apparently regrouping and retaking

2123
01:48:22,439 --> 01:48:26,320
Speaker 2: civilian control of northern Gaza as the idea has moved south.

2124
01:48:26,600 --> 01:48:30,880
Speaker 2: In fact, Israel's shifting justifications for desecrating the cemeteries are

2125
01:48:30,920 --> 01:48:35,160
Speaker 2: so thin that even CNN is calling bullshit so in

2126
01:48:35,200 --> 01:48:37,920
Speaker 2: that initial report that I just showed, the IDF claimed

2127
01:48:37,960 --> 01:48:40,080
Speaker 2: you heard Jeremy Diamond say there that they raise the

2128
01:48:40,120 --> 01:48:45,000
Speaker 2: cemeteries to search for hostage remains. In a follow up investigation, though,

2129
01:48:45,160 --> 01:48:48,160
Speaker 2: the Israelis changed their story, attempting to claim that they

2130
01:48:48,200 --> 01:48:50,960
Speaker 2: had no choice but to destroy at least one cemetery

2131
01:48:51,240 --> 01:48:54,920
Speaker 2: because of Hamas tunnels located underneath of it, having already

2132
01:48:54,920 --> 01:48:58,080
Speaker 2: seen too much. However, CNN reporter Jeremy Diamond does not

2133
01:48:58,400 --> 01:48:59,960
Speaker 2: buy it back whether are worldly now.

2134
01:49:00,160 --> 01:49:03,800
Speaker 19: Week after a CNN investigation into the Israeli military's destruction

2135
01:49:03,920 --> 01:49:08,320
Speaker 19: of cemeteries in Gaza, the IDF invited seen aast Jeremy

2136
01:49:08,320 --> 01:49:11,000
Speaker 19: Diamond to what they say was a Hamas tunnel underneath

2137
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:14,120
Speaker 19: a Gaza cemetery. Then they refused to show him exactly

2138
01:49:14,120 --> 01:49:16,880
Speaker 19: where the tunnel entrance was in the crater that was

2139
01:49:16,920 --> 01:49:18,400
Speaker 19: once a graveyard.

2140
01:49:19,479 --> 01:49:24,120
Speaker 5: This is no ordinary quarry. It's where the living once buried.

2141
01:49:24,160 --> 01:49:30,439
Speaker 5: They're dead. Gaza's Bonnie Sehala cemetery hollowed out by Israeli excavators.

2142
01:49:30,880 --> 01:49:32,280
Speaker 14: These were all grapes.

2143
01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:33,080
Speaker 5: This was a cemetery.

2144
01:49:33,439 --> 01:49:36,000
Speaker 18: But the military says that they were forced to come

2145
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:39,599
Speaker 18: in here because they discovered a Hamas tunnel running right

2146
01:49:39,800 --> 01:49:42,400
Speaker 18: underneath that cemetery, but.

2147
01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:46,479
Speaker 5: The Israeli military failed to prove that stunning claim during

2148
01:49:46,520 --> 01:49:48,560
Speaker 5: a three hour tour of the area.

2149
01:49:48,600 --> 01:49:50,800
Speaker 2: So in the segment, they go on to show an

2150
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Speaker 2: Israeli general leading Jeremy Diamond through a tunnel network, including

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Speaker 2: a so called command center that he claims the general

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Speaker 2: claims runs underneath of the cemetery, But the entrance that

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Speaker 2: Diamond is let into and Anna is not really close

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Speaker 2: to the cemetery. And when Diamond presses for visual confirmation

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Speaker 2: of the tunnel system actually being below the cemetery, the

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Speaker 2: general gets really squirrely and it's ultimately caught in a

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Speaker 2: complete lie.

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Speaker 18: We're asking the general if we can actually see the

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Speaker 18: shaft to the tunnel, but the answer is no.

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Speaker 8: So there's all kind of the.

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Speaker 14: Machinery which I want you just to take pictures of

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Speaker 14: the security, Mark Forcemith. What about if we don't film it,

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Speaker 14: we just look with.

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Speaker 5: Our eyes and when you might fall in all think

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Speaker 5: and collapse.

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Speaker 4: Well, you have to walk to the edge.

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Speaker 5: The edge is not secured, can collapse this machinery. So on,

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Speaker 5: that's not something I'm going to take.

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Speaker 6: A risk on sorry.

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Speaker 5: The Israeli military later provided this drone footage showing the

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Speaker 5: tunnel shaft we entered and another one nearby. CNN GEO

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Speaker 5: located the footage using this satellite image. This outline shows

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Speaker 5: where the cemetery one stood, and these are the two

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Speaker 5: tunnel entrances, clearly outside the graveyard. As for the tunnel

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Speaker 5: they say they found here where the cemetery once stood,

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Speaker 5: the military never provided any evidence.

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Speaker 18: And Jake, we pressed the Israeli military multiple times for

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Speaker 18: that evidence, but instead they released a press release today.

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Speaker 5: That actually poked more holes in their story.

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Speaker 18: The story that General Goldfust told us when we were

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Speaker 18: in that underground command center.

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Speaker 5: He said that we were just below the cemetery.

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Speaker 18: But the press release, a map that the Israeli military

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Speaker 18: release today actually places that command center well outside the

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Speaker 18: bounds of that cemetery.

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Speaker 5: More questions than answers, Actually, I.

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Speaker 2: Think you pretty clearly got your answer, and if you

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Speaker 2: need more answers, I'd recommend you listen to the detailed

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Speaker 2: plans and grand visions which were laid out at the

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Speaker 2: massive conference that a dozen ministers from Netanyahu's government just attended. Here,

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Speaker 2: they don't hide behind lies about tunnels, honey amas or

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Speaker 2: human shields. The goal of annihilation is out in the open,

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Speaker 2: and that goal isn't highly consistent with the military operation

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Speaker 2: that we have witnessed, the imposed starvation and the new

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Speaker 2: attacks on vital aid agencies. According to Haretz, the crowd

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Speaker 2: at this resettlement conference was most rapturous when hearing calls

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Speaker 2: for genocide and ethnic cleansing.

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Speaker 1: Quote.

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Speaker 2: The biggest response came for videos of soldiers in Gaza

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Speaker 2: calling for the Strip to be resettled, shouting out that

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Speaker 2: there are no innocence, or photographing themselves with banners for

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Speaker 2: the Katif block that's the former Gaza settlements. The crowd

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Speaker 2: responded to these with deafening cries and whistles. An attorney

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Speaker 2: who was there distributed pamphlets positing a legal rationale for

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Speaker 2: what he openly called Knockba two point zero. A rabbi

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Speaker 2: claimed the only righteous course of action was to conquer

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Speaker 2: the territory and quote the destruction and expulsion of anyone

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Speaker 2: who opposes the rule of the Jewish people. Now, this

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Speaker 2: genocidal philosophy explains the rationale behind the utter destruction of

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Speaker 2: civilian life in Gaza far better than any preposterous hunt

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Speaker 2: for hamas narrative.

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Speaker 1: The attack on.

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Speaker 2: UNRA, the UN agency devoted to Palestinian aid, also fits

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Speaker 2: perfectly with this actual objective. It serves two purposes in

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Speaker 2: the goal of annihilation. The first is quite obvious. At

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Speaker 2: a time when Palestinians and gods are eating grass and

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Speaker 2: drinking polluted water and literally starving to death, Defunding UNRA

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Speaker 2: means war, suffering, more death, more pressure on the population

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Speaker 2: to flee out of the strip entirely, never to return,

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Speaker 2: just as those conference attendees are very clear that they

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Speaker 2: ultimately want. As BB's Communications minister put it at the

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Speaker 2: Ethnic Cleansing Conference, quote, voluntary immigration is at times a

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Speaker 2: situation you impose until they give their consent. But it

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Speaker 2: is also an assault on the very idea of Palestinians

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Speaker 2: as a people with any right to self determination. Because

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Speaker 2: unra's mission is to serve Palestinian refugees, which necessarily means

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Speaker 2: that Palestinians are a people, that they deserve a state,

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Speaker 2: and that they will remain refugees with the right of

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Speaker 2: return until such time as a just land settle occurs

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Speaker 2: for the Israelis. This is unacceptable. Palestinians their families, their

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Speaker 2: aspirations are places of worship and education and daily life,

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Speaker 2: and even cemeteries should be crushed into oblivion until as

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Speaker 2: a people they just simply give up. All the idea

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Speaker 2: of lives are really in service of hiding this true goal.

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Speaker 2: And even the dead aren't left in peace. What chance

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Speaker 2: do the living stand? And Emily, this is one of

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Speaker 2: those stories.

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Speaker 2: Emily, thank you so much for stepping in today and

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Speaker 2: doing a great job today and as always, thanks for

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Speaker 2: having me my pleasure. And you guys enjoy great weekends.

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Speaker 2: We've got some content posting for you over the weekend

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Speaker 2: and we'll be back with the full show on Monday.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you then,