WEBVTT - All Roles Will Be Played By Lea DeLaria 0:00:02.880 --> 0:00:06.680 So you're gonna be what executive producers, Yeah, but silent, 0:00:06.880 --> 0:00:10.960 I have a pseudonym. I'll do rewrites and punch ups. 0:00:11.360 --> 0:00:24.640 Robert g Yeah, Yeah. Executive produced by Robert We are 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:30.520 back with another Halloween Super Special, Bonus, Tricker, treat Um, Extravaganza, 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:34.320 Palusa episode, all of those things, all of them. This 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:38.360 week we're gonna be talking about that. What I'm doing 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:41.440 a drum roll. The Rocky Horror Picture Show one of 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:44.760 the best movies ever made. That's true. It's it's true 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:47.280 that it's I would even say it's like one of 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:50.879 the greatest cultural contributions ever made. Yeah, certainly for me. 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:54.040 And we will get into my origin story with Rocky 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:59.480 Horror France origin story and talk about what it meant 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:02.960 to us, why it's so good, why it may or 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:08.280 may not be viable to revisit um through a contemporary lens, 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:10.080 because this is like a virgin the show where we 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:13.120 give yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm rost damn you, 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:16.640 and I'm fran Toronto. Touch a touch A touch a 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:22.560 touch me. I want to be dudey she really got 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:25.840 that falsetto. And by that falsetto, I mean, her voice 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:27.600 is so thin that that's all she gets pretty much. 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:34.320 Must I want to set the scene for you. I 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:40.360 want to take you back in time. It is okay, 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:45.360 I'm eleven years old. Okay, I have just gotten my 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:54.240 braces on and I am in unimaginable pain. For some reason, 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:57.360 getting them on has just hit me harder than it 0:01:57.440 --> 0:01:59.800 hits a lot of people. And I like can't get 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:02.640 out of bed. She's down back because I am in 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:06.360 so much pain. God. I tell my mom, Mom, I 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:11.280 need something to watch, and she's going to Costco with 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:14.640 my X step dad and she says, okay, I'm going 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:19.920 to bring you home. Some new VHS is bring And 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:21.720 when she comes home later, she says, you know, I 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:24.799 saw this and I thought you would like it. And 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:27.880 you know what she brought me? What did she bring 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:30.240 your rose? She brought me a VHS copy of The 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:36.440 Rocky Horror Picture Show. And over that weekend of torment, 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:42.840 with my teeth adjusting to being braced, I watched The 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:47.120 Rocky Horror Picture Show. I'm going to say upwards of 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:54.720 ten times, just over and over and over again. And honestly, 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:59.960 that anecdote perfectly distills the fact that the movie didn't 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:02.360 ands you to watch it again, like it is a 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:08.280 It is a film with like cathartic slapstick, really like 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:12.919 satisfying moments that I don't know, make you feel seen 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:15.960 as an outsider in any degree. It has musical numbers, 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:19.880 It has an absolutely bizarre ending that like totally discards 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:23.120 the movie in general, Like everything about it is rewatchable. 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:26.400 And I know, I say a lot on this podcast, 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:33.560 we talk a lot about think, we talk a lot 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:39.200 about formative pop culture and formative media. I would say 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:43.440 this is one of the things that really helped me 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:53.040 construct my own idea of myself and my taste and um, 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:58.640 my point of view and um, this movie is very 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:02.360 important to me. It's one that I have revisited time 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:05.280 and time again. I threw a rocky horror picture show 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:09.720 rave once when I was throwing parties. Um. And you know, 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:13.960 this is obviously not a singular experience. This is a 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:16.800 movie that is important to so many people. I mean 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:21.280 many generations, like so many different generations of this, especially 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:26.360 queer people, because this movie is so queer your t M. 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:30.160 And also, I would say the definition of a cult classic, 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:34.839 like the cult classic, when did you first see it, 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:37.200 and I think you were telling me you've only ever 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:41.120 seen it once. I think so, So here's the just 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:43.960 here's the discrims. I was trying to do some timelining 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:45.760 and like look on my Facebook to see if I 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:49.160 could not on your Facebook, because I was trying to figure, 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:54.040 um what I was when I saw this. Um but 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:59.040 the the Rocky Horror first came to me through Perks 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:03.240 of Being a Wallflower, which was a book that like 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:05.960 broke my whole world open. It was among the first 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:10.279 cultural objects to secularize my taste and for me to 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:13.320 see that the world of sin was the world for me, 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:17.040 and um like a lot of pop culture um it, 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:21.600 you know, really showcases rocky horror. Like Rocky Horror is 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:24.600 a big part of that story, and so my curiosity 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:28.960 led me to the movie and like all the kind 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:32.320 of things that come with it, because there's a lot 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:34.320 that comes with it, right. It started as a stage 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:38.000 play in London. It was released in seventy and then 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:42.240 was a critical flop, but it immediately pretty quickly, rather 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:46.320 not immediately, but pretty quickly, found a cult following that 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:50.640 would um yes, as a midnight movie that would then 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:55.640 turn it into like a national phenomenon where it screened 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:59.280 across theaters any time a year, especially on Halloween something. 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:02.400 It was. Everything was screened. It was screened weekly. I've 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:06.560 been to see the most most, I think regularly. It 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:10.320 was screened at what used to be Chelsea Cinemas UM 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:12.760 in Chelsea, I think the movie theater that's now the 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:18.159 Cinema Mark, and they used to play it every Friday 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:21.400 night at midnight Friday night or Saturday night. UM, and 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:24.880 I went a couple of times UM in college. UM 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:28.680 midnight screenings are. The hallmark of them is that they 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:33.719 have a cast who perform the musical UM in front 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:35.880 of the screen as it's going on. And then there's 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:40.680 also a long history of audience participation. There are you know, 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:44.839 callouts that are are now like uh, you know part 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:47.800 of legend that you know, the there are things that 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:51.119 the fans know to say while the movie is happening. Okay, 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:53.599 So for any virgins out there, and if you haven't 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:56.520 seen the Rocky Horror Picture Show, I don't know how 0:06:56.640 --> 0:07:00.400 you found this podcast, but if you haven't seen it, 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:04.839 Rocky Horror Picture Show was created written by Richard O'Brien, 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:08.200 who some of you may know from things like He 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:10.920 Was the Villain and ever After, which we talked about recently. 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:16.920 It's about a young couple who are very square umm 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:21.120 yes um Brad and Janet played by Susan Surrandon Barry Bostwick. 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:24.520 They get engaged at the beginning of the film and 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:29.040 uh decided to go tell their old teacher that they're 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:31.160 engaged because they want to share the happy news with him. 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:34.120 A storm happens and they wind up at this spooky 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:37.720 castle where a party is going on, presided over by 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:41.920 Frankenfurd Dr frankenford Or, who is a trans sexual transvestite 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:44.720 from Transylvania, and it turns out he is actually an 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:50.480 alien um. He is a reanimating a bunch of corpses 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:55.640 into the perfect man. Everyone's fucking and sucking. There's lots 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:59.000 of musical numbers, and meat Loaf is there and I 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:01.600 forgot that beat is there. It is fun for the 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:05.840 whole family, except well America would not deem it quote 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:10.080 unquote family friendly but for our family, for my chosen family, 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:16.240 friendly for my Chosen Family by Rina sa Yama I 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:21.040 Chosen Family. So I will say this movie when I 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:24.720 first watched it really captured my imagination. I was a 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:29.920 little queer kid who didn't know they were queer or like, 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:33.280 didn't really understand what form their queerness was taking. I 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:36.640 only knew that I was weird, and that is what 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:41.640 I latched onto in this movie was the ecstasy of 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:45.080 being a fucking freak, which is I think what this 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:49.599 movie is at its core about. It's also really referential 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:52.920 of B horror movies that are they're all referenced in 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:57.400 the opening theme song Science Fiction Double Feature. Um, I 0:08:57.440 --> 0:08:58.880 didn't get any of that when I was a kid. 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:00.760 I didn't get any of the Red for instance. I 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:04.360 didn't really understand the legacy of this movie. I just 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:08.120 understood that it was about being a freak, and I 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:10.880 wanted to be that kind of freak. Yeah, it is 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:13.480 exactly that. And I think that like Bred and Janet 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:19.680 are essentially corrupted right by Frankenfurter and his like exactly 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:23.200 it's about liberation but also corruption, and they're kind of 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:27.240 reticence or fear around this kind of transvestite. Is it 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:29.480 supposed to be like a convention almost like this party 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:31.960 that's happening at the castle or whatever. Yeah, there, he's 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:35.920 he's brought all of his you know, Transylvanian Contemporaries over 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:40.360 to see transsexual Comma Pennsylvania to see you know this 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:45.720 being he's created, and like watch his mastery of science 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:51.120 right and Tim Curry is the moment like this was 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:57.160 his breakout role. Shockingly, like he was, um the originator 0:09:57.240 --> 0:10:00.679 of I guess the stage play, and he would go 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:05.360 on to do so many fucking weird ass roles somebody. 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:09.880 He's been in literally every sector of culture, and especially 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:13.320 if like camp t M is present, because Tim Curry 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:18.520 knows how to do a kind of like straightforward, like 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:22.679 kind of performance of camp. But like, but also the 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:27.280 thing that I think sets Rocky Horror apart from a 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:31.000 lot of movies that we would compare it to is 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:35.920 how sexy it is. Everyone in this movie is the 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:40.199 hottest they have ever been. Yeah, actually this movie is 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:43.240 it definitely the I think some of the scenes that 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:50.319 like really awakened my adolescent sexuality, um are when Frankenfurter 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:54.560 goes to visit both Brad and Janet in their rooms 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:59.560 and they both fucking I remember being scanned, alt, I 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:05.400 remember being aroused bisexual representation essentially or pan sexual or 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:07.840 who knows he's I mean it's funny. I think that 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:11.280 this movie is kind of lauded as something like deeply By, 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:14.720 but I personally think it's like more queer pan, not 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:17.199 that that really matters, but like and also, my god, 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:18.480 the Byes are going to be so mad at me 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:20.520 for saying that. Honestly, Like I'm a raising By. I 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:22.280 think it's a very By movie. Just it is a 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:26.199 very By movie. As a bisexual, I claim that it's 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:30.720 so hot and you watch Brad and Janet come into 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:35.720 their sexuality. I mean there's the whole song Touched Me 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:38.959 where Susan Surrandon is just like, oh, I want to fuck, 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:41.960 And it's funny because like her voice is like barely. 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:44.559 They're like, but she's still so good. And I think 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:48.240 Susan Surrandon was like terrified of singing in public, like 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:51.160 as an actress, and this was like really challenging for her, 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:54.480 but like you can't tell it all, Like she's so good. 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:58.480 She's this movie, I think more than any movie ever 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:02.160 made Fox. It really does. And I think that sexual 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:05.800 irreverence that you're alluding to is something that's really missing 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:10.120 from a lot of their movies that are inspired by 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:14.120 it or um or like reference it, like, you know, 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:16.680 Beetle Juice is very horny, but I was just like, 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:19.400 when I was watching, I was like, oh, Beetle Juice 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:23.320 borrowed a lot from Rocky Horror, you know what I mean? 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:26.840 Like there are tropes that exist from Rocky Horror that 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:30.880 I think are now in a lot of future kind 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:36.280 of horror camp classics, um. But at the same time, 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:41.559 Rocky Horror was in and of itself trying to uh 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:45.040 put a spin on existing cliches. It's like it also 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:51.920 regard it also is trying to be legitimately, uh a 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:54.120 horror sci fi movie. Like there are parts of it 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:58.120 that I actually think are kind of scary, and you know, 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:01.680 I think it straddles the line between knowing camp and 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:06.800 accidental camp, and that it is reveling in its own campus. 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:09.360 But it also is trying to be what it's saying 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:11.480 it is, which is, you know, a sci fi film, 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:15.160 a sci fi musical, um, and all of those elements 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:18.880 just work so well together in a way that I 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:22.839 don't think anything else since except maybe something like Okay, 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:27.280 I would say the sort of sexless version of Rocky 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:32.160 Horror is um Little Shop of Horrors. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:35.320 I've never seen it, but I know, yeah, it's you know, 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:42.200 Little Shop is romantic where Rocky horror Fox exactly literally Fox. 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:45.440 And I also think that, um, the raw sexual energy 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:48.320 in it to me is so radical because of like 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:52.800 our very first reactions to it, Like there's something like 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:56.880 holy scandalizing and all at the same time arousing when 0:13:56.920 --> 0:14:00.560 you watch it, no matter what gender or orientation you are. 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:03.880 And I think that it's because this movie has like 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:08.319 now mainstream appeal because of its cult classic like Allure. 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:12.480 You will see sisht people talk about this movie and 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:14.959 talk about loving it or talking about how it made 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:17.520 them question their sexuality or things like that. And like, well, 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:20.960 just frankenfurn In and of himself. The fact that this 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:30.640 fem presenting man, transvestite, whatever, this person, this gender deviant 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:35.960 who's anything and everything can be the sex symbol that 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:39.240 this film revolves around, and a sex symbol that is 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:43.440 endured for generations to both queer and hat people alike, 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:48.080 is so powerful. Yeah, And like in this in seventy five, 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:53.080 we did not have this conversation about like mad the 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:56.240 appeal of mainstream like gender fluidity, right, I mean, we 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:58.880 were kind of starting to have it with David Bowie, 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:01.960 and I don't think this movie could exist without David Bowie, 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:04.480 which I when we were reading about this film, I 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:08.080 found out that the makeup artist Pierre LaRouche, who did 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:11.240 the makeup for Rocky Horror, was the makeup artist who 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:15.280 did the iconic light people on bowie S face period. Amazing. 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:32.440 I know this is like cliche to say, but it 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:34.800 really was ahead of its time in so many different 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:37.800 ahead of its time, but also is very much of 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:40.560 its time. Yeah, I think that that really. I want 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:42.360 to know why you think that. I think what I 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:45.560 when I was watching it, like the word TRANSVESTI I 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:47.680 think is like very of this time, you know what 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:51.840 I mean. The idea of transnis or how people were 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:55.840 talking about fluidity I think is encapsulated really well in 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:58.000 this in this movie. I think it's of it. I 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:00.000 think it's of its time for a couple of different reasons. 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:04.600 Ends One is the time period at seven. Um, we 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:07.760 know that culture kind of works in these twenty cycles, 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:10.240 so the seventies looking back at the fifties like that 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:12.400 makes a lot of sense. Um, it's the same kind 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:16.320 of thing you see with Greece. Greece is also the 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:19.160 seventies looking back at the fifties from obviously a different 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:22.480 point of view, which the guy that plays Brad originated 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:26.080 the lead in Greece. Oh, Barry Boss right, that's cool. 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:27.800 I used to I had such a crush on him 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:30.680 and his little tidy whities. Um. I also think it's 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:32.440 very of its time for all the reasons we've said 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:35.640 it's you know, it was the first time where people 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:40.800 like Bowie, these like gender less icons were really at 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:43.320 the forefront of pop culture. But not even just Bowie. 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:46.040 I think this was the era where rock and roll 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:51.400 was really progressive in a way that it hadn't been before. 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:54.640 This was the era of you know, like seventies, not 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:57.640 glam rock. That's yeah, this is the era of seventies 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:02.680 glam rocks and so and Frankenfurd is a villain who 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:05.280 is a rock star. And that's why I think it's 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:08.200 I think about so specifically of its time. I mean 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:11.320 the way that he enters the movie, the way he 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:14.760 enters the movie is like he's a rock, He's like Jagger. Yeah, 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:20.920 he's like Jagger, Yeah, and he's got que Christina. Um yeah, 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:23.840 I um it's funny because I I um, I never 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:26.920 I never made that connection. That's so so um, I'm 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:29.600 so glad you said that. I feel like there is 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:31.960 a world where like um, and that's why, like me, 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:33.840 that's why meat Loaf is in the movie. You know, 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:37.000 it's it's this is a rock this is a rock musical. 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:40.560 This music musicals of the time. You know, this was 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:43.520 the era of like Rogers and Hammerstein, and you know 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:47.040 it's like like all the kind of classic musicals and 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:50.679 I guess hair we had hair, but apparently this was 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:54.080 like very much an outlier for musicals. Apparently it also 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:57.560 wasn't written like that. Um immediately that like, when they 0:17:57.560 --> 0:17:59.480 wrote the movie version, they had caught a lot of 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:01.320 the songs, but then the script they wrote was only 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:03.600 like forty minutes long, and so they were like, we 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:06.760 need more like music and dance sequences. And the songs 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:10.959 are so good. I mean, the time warp is obviously iconic, 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:13.479 and it wasn't in the first cut, the first draft 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:17.280 science fiction double feature. Those lips, um, that mouth that 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:22.320 belongs to the actress who plays Magenta. Um, you know, 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:25.480 meat Loaf's number is great. I thought met Low. I 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:28.040 think I still think meat Loaf is really hot in 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:31.919 this movie. Um, I don't even remember. I watched it 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:33.760 so long ago. I don't even remember his presence in 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:37.800 the film. I only reremembered it from researching it. But yeah, 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:41.200 I guess Sweet transvest I is a banger. I love 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:43.760 Planet Shmanett Janet, which is the song that happens as 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:47.680 Frankenfurter is chasing Janet through the house. Um, touch a touch, 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:50.600 A touch me, don't dream it be it. I think 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:55.119 it is like an aphorism that will transcend century, wild 0:18:55.160 --> 0:18:59.600 and untamed thing. I mean, it's just it's so good. 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:03.400 Your O'Brien is a genius. There also there so there 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:06.520 was a sequel to Rocky Horror called Shock Treatment that 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:11.000 was not as when it came out. It just like 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:16.280 it never achieved the kind of cult status moment I 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:18.159 I it wasn't. It was in theater. There were no 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:23.119 DVDs then, um, and it has had um, you know, 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:28.440 different theatrical runs. I saw it on Broadway, UM when 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:31.520 I was a teenager. It was at Circle in the Square, 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:34.159 and my grandparents when I was a kid, used to 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:36.120 bring my brother and I into the city and would 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:38.800 take us two shows. That's how I saw Phantom of 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:41.439 the opera and you get your gun, and you know, 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:43.000 they wanted to take us to a show, and I 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:46.880 insisted on Rocky Horror, and like they were very much 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:51.400 like no, and I was like, I will cry and 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:54.120 scream until you get us tickets to see the show. 0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:59.840 That sounds familiar. Um, I'm learning a lot about how 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:03.200 I really have been the same woman. Let's let's be clear. 0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:06.400 I've learned nothing. These are things that I've known. But 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:09.040 but I actually okay, maybe a tangent um, what did 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:11.840 you What did you think of? Uh? As we're talking 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:16.600 about things that reference or are in conversation with Rocky Horror, 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:18.880 did you like the Person Being wall Flower movie? Yeah? 0:20:18.880 --> 0:20:20.720 I do you did? I feel like it was one 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:23.240 of those rare, like actually good like book at it. 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:24.960 It's a really good book adaptation. I think a lot 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:28.240 of that is because of how involved um the writer 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:32.120 that he directed it, right, I mean no Ezra Miller. No, 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:34.480 I mean no Asur Miller. But Ezra Miller is really 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:36.760 good in the movie. I think it's actually maybe Ezra 0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:39.959 Miller's best role. Although I haven't seen him. We need 0:20:40.000 --> 0:20:42.440 to talk about I haven't seen it either. Do people 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:44.960 like that? Yeah? I think people like it. Yeah, okay, 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:47.760 we should see that. I don't. I don't know if 0:20:47.840 --> 0:21:14.560 we're not doing Sorry, I didn't mean in some ways 0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:19.480 there is some overlap with frankenfurther well okay, Um, Honestly, 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:22.240 Ezra would be great as bring Inferter, but would not 0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:26.719 be my pick for I don't support a reboot in 0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:31.159 any way, shape or form. Okay. See, I actually um disagree. 0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:33.840 And I think that this is one of those rare 0:21:33.920 --> 0:21:38.880 cultural objects that would have a fluency in the modern day. 0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:43.159 And I think the story itself would benefit from a 0:21:43.240 --> 0:21:48.480 more contemporary idea of gender deviance without being too emphas 0:21:48.520 --> 0:21:53.240 I actually completely disagree, and and I think that so 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:56.400 much of what makes this movie special is that it's 0:21:56.720 --> 0:22:01.040 not bothered by any of that, and that's why it 0:22:01.119 --> 0:22:05.480 was so transgressive at the time and why it remains transgressive. 0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:09.439 And it's not super concerned about defining things. And I 0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:14.520 think any reboot of this would be so preoccupied with 0:22:14.920 --> 0:22:19.239 defining these characters unless I wrote it, sure, um, I 0:22:19.359 --> 0:22:22.239 and I would write it like I would love. I 0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:26.199 just I think every time we have tried as a 0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:30.720 culture to update or revisit Rocky Horror, it has always sucked. 0:22:30.880 --> 0:22:33.439 Well who woa wha, Well, let's not. I mean, I 0:22:33.480 --> 0:22:37.399 think just reboots in general, like usually are in the 0:22:37.440 --> 0:22:40.119 hands of people that don't know any trans people and 0:22:40.160 --> 0:22:43.160 they're trying to have conversations about transniss. And I think 0:22:43.200 --> 0:22:45.840 that you know, Laverne Cox playing Frank Inverter in a 0:22:45.880 --> 0:22:50.080 live edition of whatever that nobody saw is like I 0:22:50.080 --> 0:22:52.439 feel like it like barely counts. And also like it's so, 0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:54.639 how did you feel about Like when I heard the 0:22:54.640 --> 0:22:57.000 announcement of like Laverne being in this, I was like, 0:22:57.080 --> 0:23:00.000 she's gonna be awesome, like dancer, you know, Triple Threat 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:02.480 can really do a role like that. But I was like, 0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:05.119 there's no way that was her idea. You know, I 0:23:05.160 --> 0:23:07.639 didn't think any of those things, and I actually thought 0:23:07.720 --> 0:23:12.080 it was It showed very much And this is funny 0:23:12.440 --> 0:23:14.840 considering that we were just talking about Silence of the Lambs. 0:23:15.040 --> 0:23:17.480 It shows very much the way that the cists had 0:23:17.520 --> 0:23:22.879 people making those decisions think about the spectrum of transmiss 0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:24.560 and that they don't think about it and they think 0:23:24.640 --> 0:23:28.520 that a black woman is the same thing as a 0:23:28.560 --> 0:23:33.960 transvestite who uses he him pronounce um. All that being said, 0:23:34.400 --> 0:23:39.359 I really really really really really really really don't think 0:23:39.840 --> 0:23:43.639 that Rocky Horror can be rebooted or should be rebooted, unless, 0:23:43.680 --> 0:23:47.720 of course I do it. Okay, so um in fran 0:23:47.800 --> 0:23:52.640 Toronto's Rocky Horror reboot coming to Amazon Prime. Let's say 0:23:53.520 --> 0:23:56.960 not Amazon, Brian Bles, Okay, I want to hear who 0:23:57.359 --> 0:23:59.880 you Okay, let's I'm gonna I think it's giving Peacock. 0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:04.479 I think Peacock would know it is I. I you know, 0:24:04.600 --> 0:24:11.200 I think that honestly, um uh for Franken Further, let's work. 0:24:11.280 --> 0:24:13.400 Let's work our way up there. We got we gotta start. 0:24:13.480 --> 0:24:16.320 Let's that's the hardest role, Okay, Brad and Janet. Brad 0:24:16.359 --> 0:24:18.960 and Janet um. One of the first kind of like 0:24:19.520 --> 0:24:22.000 normal people I was thinking of was who's the like 0:24:22.200 --> 0:24:25.920 blonde from Riverdale who was in Hustlers who was so good? 0:24:26.440 --> 0:24:30.199 Lily Lily Lily Reinhart would be a good Janet. But 0:24:30.240 --> 0:24:33.000 I'm also gonna introduce the concept to you what if 0:24:33.040 --> 0:24:35.800 they're not assists head couple? What if they're a gay 0:24:35.880 --> 0:24:40.119 mail couple. Because that's because we have to think about 0:24:40.119 --> 0:24:42.800 how we're not only updating the cast, we're updating what 0:24:42.840 --> 0:24:45.040 the movie is trying to say and poke at So 0:24:45.119 --> 0:24:50.040 I think in this updated version they are a cis gay. Yeah, okay, 0:24:50.080 --> 0:24:54.080 So it's Patrick Harris and David Burton. Now they're too old. Um, 0:24:54.160 --> 0:24:55.960 you still have to be kind of young. It is 0:24:56.080 --> 0:25:01.800 um Um Michael Jury. No, still Andrew Reynolds and still old. 0:25:02.160 --> 0:25:05.600 We gotta think we gotta twenty something gay. Andrew Reynolds 0:25:05.640 --> 0:25:09.239 is thirties, like late thirties. Yeah, Andrew Reynolds is like 0:25:09.400 --> 0:25:14.400 old like and Andrew Reynolds doesn't need to be in anything. Okay, Well, 0:25:14.440 --> 0:25:18.960 if they're assists gay, Oh it's Bowen. I actually think 0:25:19.000 --> 0:25:22.560 Bowen would be well yeah, okay, okay, I think Bone 0:25:22.560 --> 0:25:25.240 would be good as a riff raff. Um No, let 0:25:25.240 --> 0:25:28.200 me wait, I I really want to find the right game. 0:25:28.600 --> 0:25:32.960 Definitely belongs in the rebuild. Okay, wait, um what's his name? Um? 0:25:33.040 --> 0:25:37.640 Who was in Pokemon? Oh we didn't watch um who 0:25:37.680 --> 0:25:41.600 was in Detective Pikachu? Not Um Logan Lerman? No, Justice 0:25:41.640 --> 0:25:47.320