1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: So you're gonna be what executive producers, Yeah, but silent, 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:10,960 Speaker 1: I have a pseudonym. I'll do rewrites and punch ups. 3 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: Robert g Yeah, Yeah. Executive produced by Robert We are 4 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: back with another Halloween Super Special, Bonus, Tricker, treat Um, Extravaganza, 5 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: Palusa episode, all of those things, all of them. This 6 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: week we're gonna be talking about that. What I'm doing 7 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: a drum roll. The Rocky Horror Picture Show one of 8 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: the best movies ever made. That's true. It's it's true 9 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: that it's I would even say it's like one of 10 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 1: the greatest cultural contributions ever made. Yeah, certainly for me. 11 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: And we will get into my origin story with Rocky 12 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: Horror France origin story and talk about what it meant 13 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: to us, why it's so good, why it may or 14 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: may not be viable to revisit um through a contemporary lens, 15 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: because this is like a virgin the show where we 16 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: give yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm rost damn you, 17 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: and I'm fran Toronto. Touch a touch A touch a 18 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: touch me. I want to be dudey she really got 19 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: that falsetto. And by that falsetto, I mean, her voice 20 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: is so thin that that's all she gets pretty much. 21 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 1: Must I want to set the scene for you. I 22 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: want to take you back in time. It is okay, 23 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: I'm eleven years old. Okay, I have just gotten my 24 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: braces on and I am in unimaginable pain. For some reason, 25 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: getting them on has just hit me harder than it 26 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: hits a lot of people. And I like can't get 27 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: out of bed. She's down back because I am in 28 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: so much pain. God. I tell my mom, Mom, I 29 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: need something to watch, and she's going to Costco with 30 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: my X step dad and she says, okay, I'm going 31 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: to bring you home. Some new VHS is bring And 32 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: when she comes home later, she says, you know, I 33 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 1: saw this and I thought you would like it. And 34 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: you know what she brought me? What did she bring 35 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: your rose? She brought me a VHS copy of The 36 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: Rocky Horror Picture Show. And over that weekend of torment, 37 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: with my teeth adjusting to being braced, I watched The 38 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: Rocky Horror Picture Show. I'm going to say upwards of 39 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: ten times, just over and over and over again. And honestly, 40 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: that anecdote perfectly distills the fact that the movie didn't 41 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: ands you to watch it again, like it is a 42 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: It is a film with like cathartic slapstick, really like 43 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 1: satisfying moments that I don't know, make you feel seen 44 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: as an outsider in any degree. It has musical numbers, 45 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: It has an absolutely bizarre ending that like totally discards 46 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: the movie in general, Like everything about it is rewatchable. 47 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: And I know, I say a lot on this podcast, 48 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: we talk a lot about think, we talk a lot 49 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: about formative pop culture and formative media. I would say 50 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: this is one of the things that really helped me 51 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: construct my own idea of myself and my taste and um, 52 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: my point of view and um, this movie is very 53 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: important to me. It's one that I have revisited time 54 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: and time again. I threw a rocky horror picture show 55 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: rave once when I was throwing parties. Um. And you know, 56 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: this is obviously not a singular experience. This is a 57 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: movie that is important to so many people. I mean 58 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: many generations, like so many different generations of this, especially 59 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: queer people, because this movie is so queer your t M. 60 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 1: And also, I would say the definition of a cult classic, 61 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: like the cult classic, when did you first see it, 62 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: and I think you were telling me you've only ever 63 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: seen it once. I think so, So here's the just 64 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: here's the discrims. I was trying to do some timelining 65 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: and like look on my Facebook to see if I 66 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 1: could not on your Facebook, because I was trying to figure, 67 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: um what I was when I saw this. Um but 68 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: the the Rocky Horror first came to me through Perks 69 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: of Being a Wallflower, which was a book that like 70 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: broke my whole world open. It was among the first 71 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 1: cultural objects to secularize my taste and for me to 72 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: see that the world of sin was the world for me, 73 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: and um like a lot of pop culture um it, 74 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 1: you know, really showcases rocky horror. Like Rocky Horror is 75 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: a big part of that story, and so my curiosity 76 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: led me to the movie and like all the kind 77 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: of things that come with it, because there's a lot 78 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: that comes with it, right. It started as a stage 79 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: play in London. It was released in seventy and then 80 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: was a critical flop, but it immediately pretty quickly, rather 81 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: not immediately, but pretty quickly, found a cult following that 82 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: would um yes, as a midnight movie that would then 83 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: turn it into like a national phenomenon where it screened 84 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 1: across theaters any time a year, especially on Halloween something. 85 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: It was. Everything was screened. It was screened weekly. I've 86 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: been to see the most most, I think regularly. It 87 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: was screened at what used to be Chelsea Cinemas UM 88 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: in Chelsea, I think the movie theater that's now the 89 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 1: Cinema Mark, and they used to play it every Friday 90 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: night at midnight Friday night or Saturday night. UM, and 91 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: I went a couple of times UM in college. UM 92 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: midnight screenings are. The hallmark of them is that they 93 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 1: have a cast who perform the musical UM in front 94 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: of the screen as it's going on. And then there's 95 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: also a long history of audience participation. There are you know, 96 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: callouts that are are now like uh, you know part 97 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: of legend that you know, the there are things that 98 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,119 Speaker 1: the fans know to say while the movie is happening. Okay, 99 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 1: So for any virgins out there, and if you haven't 100 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: seen the Rocky Horror Picture Show, I don't know how 101 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: you found this podcast, but if you haven't seen it, 102 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 1: Rocky Horror Picture Show was created written by Richard O'Brien, 103 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: who some of you may know from things like He 104 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: Was the Villain and ever After, which we talked about recently. 105 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: It's about a young couple who are very square umm 106 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: yes um Brad and Janet played by Susan Surrandon Barry Bostwick. 107 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: They get engaged at the beginning of the film and 108 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: uh decided to go tell their old teacher that they're 109 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: engaged because they want to share the happy news with him. 110 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: A storm happens and they wind up at this spooky 111 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: castle where a party is going on, presided over by 112 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: Frankenfurd Dr frankenford Or, who is a trans sexual transvestite 113 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: from Transylvania, and it turns out he is actually an 114 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: alien um. He is a reanimating a bunch of corpses 115 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: into the perfect man. Everyone's fucking and sucking. There's lots 116 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: of musical numbers, and meat Loaf is there and I 117 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: forgot that beat is there. It is fun for the 118 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: whole family, except well America would not deem it quote 119 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: unquote family friendly but for our family, for my chosen family, 120 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: friendly for my Chosen Family by Rina sa Yama I 121 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: Chosen Family. So I will say this movie when I 122 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: first watched it really captured my imagination. I was a 123 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: little queer kid who didn't know they were queer or like, 124 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: didn't really understand what form their queerness was taking. I 125 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: only knew that I was weird, and that is what 126 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: I latched onto in this movie was the ecstasy of 127 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: being a fucking freak, which is I think what this 128 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:49,599 Speaker 1: movie is at its core about. It's also really referential 129 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: of B horror movies that are they're all referenced in 130 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: the opening theme song Science Fiction Double Feature. Um, I 131 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: didn't get any of that when I was a kid. 132 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: I didn't get any of the Red for instance. I 133 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: didn't really understand the legacy of this movie. I just 134 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: understood that it was about being a freak, and I 135 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: wanted to be that kind of freak. Yeah, it is 136 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: exactly that. And I think that like Bred and Janet 137 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 1: are essentially corrupted right by Frankenfurter and his like exactly 138 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: it's about liberation but also corruption, and they're kind of 139 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: reticence or fear around this kind of transvestite. Is it 140 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: supposed to be like a convention almost like this party 141 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: that's happening at the castle or whatever. Yeah, there, he's 142 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: he's brought all of his you know, Transylvanian Contemporaries over 143 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: to see transsexual Comma Pennsylvania to see you know this 144 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: being he's created, and like watch his mastery of science 145 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: right and Tim Curry is the moment like this was 146 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: his breakout role. Shockingly, like he was, um the originator 147 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 1: of I guess the stage play, and he would go 148 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: on to do so many fucking weird ass roles somebody. 149 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: He's been in literally every sector of culture, and especially 150 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 1: if like camp t M is present, because Tim Curry 151 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: knows how to do a kind of like straightforward, like 152 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 1: kind of performance of camp. But like, but also the 153 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: thing that I think sets Rocky Horror apart from a 154 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: lot of movies that we would compare it to is 155 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: how sexy it is. Everyone in this movie is the 156 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 1: hottest they have ever been. Yeah, actually this movie is 157 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: it definitely the I think some of the scenes that 158 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:50,319 Speaker 1: like really awakened my adolescent sexuality, um are when Frankenfurter 159 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: goes to visit both Brad and Janet in their rooms 160 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: and they both fucking I remember being scanned, alt, I 161 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: remember being aroused bisexual representation essentially or pan sexual or 162 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: who knows he's I mean it's funny. I think that 163 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: this movie is kind of lauded as something like deeply By, 164 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: but I personally think it's like more queer pan, not 165 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 1: that that really matters, but like and also, my god, 166 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: the Byes are going to be so mad at me 167 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: for saying that. Honestly, Like I'm a raising By. I 168 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: think it's a very By movie. Just it is a 169 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 1: very By movie. As a bisexual, I claim that it's 170 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: so hot and you watch Brad and Janet come into 171 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: their sexuality. I mean there's the whole song Touched Me 172 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 1: where Susan Surrandon is just like, oh, I want to fuck, 173 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: And it's funny because like her voice is like barely. 174 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 1: They're like, but she's still so good. And I think 175 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: Susan Surrandon was like terrified of singing in public, like 176 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: as an actress, and this was like really challenging for her, 177 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: but like you can't tell it all, Like she's so good. 178 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: She's this movie, I think more than any movie ever 179 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: made Fox. It really does. And I think that sexual 180 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: irreverence that you're alluding to is something that's really missing 181 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: from a lot of their movies that are inspired by 182 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: it or um or like reference it, like, you know, 183 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: Beetle Juice is very horny, but I was just like, 184 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: when I was watching, I was like, oh, Beetle Juice 185 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: borrowed a lot from Rocky Horror, you know what I mean? 186 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: Like there are tropes that exist from Rocky Horror that 187 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: I think are now in a lot of future kind 188 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: of horror camp classics, um. But at the same time, 189 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:41,559 Speaker 1: Rocky Horror was in and of itself trying to uh 190 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: put a spin on existing cliches. It's like it also 191 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: regard it also is trying to be legitimately, uh a 192 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: horror sci fi movie. Like there are parts of it 193 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: that I actually think are kind of scary, and you know, 194 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 1: I think it straddles the line between knowing camp and 195 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: accidental camp, and that it is reveling in its own campus. 196 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: But it also is trying to be what it's saying 197 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: it is, which is, you know, a sci fi film, 198 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: a sci fi musical, um, and all of those elements 199 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: just work so well together in a way that I 200 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:22,839 Speaker 1: don't think anything else since except maybe something like Okay, 201 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: I would say the sort of sexless version of Rocky 202 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: Horror is um Little Shop of Horrors. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 203 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: I've never seen it, but I know, yeah, it's you know, 204 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: Little Shop is romantic where Rocky horror Fox exactly literally Fox. 205 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 1: And I also think that, um, the raw sexual energy 206 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: in it to me is so radical because of like 207 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: our very first reactions to it, Like there's something like 208 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: holy scandalizing and all at the same time arousing when 209 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: you watch it, no matter what gender or orientation you are. 210 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: And I think that it's because this movie has like 211 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:08,319 Speaker 1: now mainstream appeal because of its cult classic like Allure. 212 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: You will see sisht people talk about this movie and 213 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 1: talk about loving it or talking about how it made 214 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: them question their sexuality or things like that. And like, well, 215 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: just frankenfurn In and of himself. The fact that this 216 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: fem presenting man, transvestite, whatever, this person, this gender deviant 217 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: who's anything and everything can be the sex symbol that 218 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: this film revolves around, and a sex symbol that is 219 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: endured for generations to both queer and hat people alike, 220 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: is so powerful. Yeah, And like in this in seventy five, 221 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: we did not have this conversation about like mad the 222 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: appeal of mainstream like gender fluidity, right, I mean, we 223 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: were kind of starting to have it with David Bowie, 224 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: and I don't think this movie could exist without David Bowie, 225 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: which I when we were reading about this film, I 226 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: found out that the makeup artist Pierre LaRouche, who did 227 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: the makeup for Rocky Horror, was the makeup artist who 228 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: did the iconic light people on bowie S face period. Amazing. 229 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: I know this is like cliche to say, but it 230 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: really was ahead of its time in so many different 231 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: ahead of its time, but also is very much of 232 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: its time. Yeah, I think that that really. I want 233 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: to know why you think that. I think what I 234 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: when I was watching it, like the word TRANSVESTI I 235 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: think is like very of this time, you know what 236 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: I mean. The idea of transnis or how people were 237 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: talking about fluidity I think is encapsulated really well in 238 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: this in this movie. I think it's of it. I 239 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: think it's of its time for a couple of different reasons. 240 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: Ends One is the time period at seven. Um, we 241 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: know that culture kind of works in these twenty cycles, 242 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: so the seventies looking back at the fifties like that 243 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. Um, it's the same kind 244 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: of thing you see with Greece. Greece is also the 245 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: seventies looking back at the fifties from obviously a different 246 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: point of view, which the guy that plays Brad originated 247 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: the lead in Greece. Oh, Barry Boss right, that's cool. 248 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: I used to I had such a crush on him 249 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: and his little tidy whities. Um. I also think it's 250 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: very of its time for all the reasons we've said 251 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: it's you know, it was the first time where people 252 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: like Bowie, these like gender less icons were really at 253 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: the forefront of pop culture. But not even just Bowie. 254 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: I think this was the era where rock and roll 255 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: was really progressive in a way that it hadn't been before. 256 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: This was the era of you know, like seventies, not 257 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: glam rock. That's yeah, this is the era of seventies 258 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: glam rocks and so and Frankenfurd is a villain who 259 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: is a rock star. And that's why I think it's 260 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: I think about so specifically of its time. I mean 261 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: the way that he enters the movie, the way he 262 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: enters the movie is like he's a rock, He's like Jagger. Yeah, 263 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 1: he's like Jagger, Yeah, and he's got que Christina. Um yeah, 264 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: I um it's funny because I I um, I never 265 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 1: I never made that connection. That's so so um, I'm 266 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: so glad you said that. I feel like there is 267 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: a world where like um, and that's why, like me, 268 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: that's why meat Loaf is in the movie. You know, 269 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: it's it's this is a rock this is a rock musical. 270 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: This music musicals of the time. You know, this was 271 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: the era of like Rogers and Hammerstein, and you know 272 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: it's like like all the kind of classic musicals and 273 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,679 Speaker 1: I guess hair we had hair, but apparently this was 274 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: like very much an outlier for musicals. Apparently it also 275 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: wasn't written like that. Um immediately that like, when they 276 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: wrote the movie version, they had caught a lot of 277 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: the songs, but then the script they wrote was only 278 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: like forty minutes long, and so they were like, we 279 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: need more like music and dance sequences. And the songs 280 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:10,959 Speaker 1: are so good. I mean, the time warp is obviously iconic, 281 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,479 Speaker 1: and it wasn't in the first cut, the first draft 282 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: science fiction double feature. Those lips, um, that mouth that 283 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: belongs to the actress who plays Magenta. Um, you know, 284 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: meat Loaf's number is great. I thought met Low. I 285 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: think I still think meat Loaf is really hot in 286 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 1: this movie. Um, I don't even remember. I watched it 287 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: so long ago. I don't even remember his presence in 288 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: the film. I only reremembered it from researching it. But yeah, 289 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: I guess Sweet transvest I is a banger. I love 290 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: Planet Shmanett Janet, which is the song that happens as 291 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: Frankenfurter is chasing Janet through the house. Um, touch a touch, 292 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: A touch me, don't dream it be it. I think 293 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: it is like an aphorism that will transcend century, wild 294 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: and untamed thing. I mean, it's just it's so good. 295 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 1: Your O'Brien is a genius. There also there so there 296 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: was a sequel to Rocky Horror called Shock Treatment that 297 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: was not as when it came out. It just like 298 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: it never achieved the kind of cult status moment I 299 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 1: I it wasn't. It was in theater. There were no 300 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 1: DVDs then, um, and it has had um, you know, 301 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 1: different theatrical runs. I saw it on Broadway, UM when 302 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: I was a teenager. It was at Circle in the Square, 303 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 1: and my grandparents when I was a kid, used to 304 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 1: bring my brother and I into the city and would 305 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: take us two shows. That's how I saw Phantom of 306 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 1: the opera and you get your gun, and you know, 307 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: they wanted to take us to a show, and I 308 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 1: insisted on Rocky Horror, and like they were very much 309 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 1: like no, and I was like, I will cry and 310 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 1: scream until you get us tickets to see the show. 311 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: That sounds familiar. Um, I'm learning a lot about how 312 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: I really have been the same woman. Let's let's be clear. 313 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 1: I've learned nothing. These are things that I've known. But 314 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: but I actually okay, maybe a tangent um, what did 315 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: you What did you think of? Uh? As we're talking 316 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: about things that reference or are in conversation with Rocky Horror, 317 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 1: did you like the Person Being wall Flower movie? Yeah? 318 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: I do you did? I feel like it was one 319 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: of those rare, like actually good like book at it. 320 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: It's a really good book adaptation. I think a lot 321 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: of that is because of how involved um the writer 322 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 1: that he directed it, right, I mean no Ezra Miller. No, 323 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: I mean no Asur Miller. But Ezra Miller is really 324 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: good in the movie. I think it's actually maybe Ezra 325 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,959 Speaker 1: Miller's best role. Although I haven't seen him. We need 326 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: to talk about I haven't seen it either. Do people 327 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: like that? Yeah? I think people like it. Yeah, okay, 328 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: we should see that. I don't. I don't know if 329 00:20:47,840 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: we're not doing Sorry, I didn't mean in some ways 330 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: there is some overlap with frankenfurther well okay, Um, Honestly, 331 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: Ezra would be great as bring Inferter, but would not 332 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:26,719 Speaker 1: be my pick for I don't support a reboot in 333 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 1: any way, shape or form. Okay. See, I actually um disagree. 334 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: And I think that this is one of those rare 335 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 1: cultural objects that would have a fluency in the modern day. 336 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 1: And I think the story itself would benefit from a 337 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: more contemporary idea of gender deviance without being too emphas 338 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: I actually completely disagree, and and I think that so 339 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 1: much of what makes this movie special is that it's 340 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: not bothered by any of that, and that's why it 341 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: was so transgressive at the time and why it remains transgressive. 342 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 1: And it's not super concerned about defining things. And I 343 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: think any reboot of this would be so preoccupied with 344 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:19,239 Speaker 1: defining these characters unless I wrote it, sure, um, I 345 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,239 Speaker 1: and I would write it like I would love. I 346 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 1: just I think every time we have tried as a 347 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: culture to update or revisit Rocky Horror, it has always sucked. 348 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 1: Well who woa wha, Well, let's not. I mean, I 349 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 1: think just reboots in general, like usually are in the 350 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 1: hands of people that don't know any trans people and 351 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 1: they're trying to have conversations about transniss. And I think 352 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: that you know, Laverne Cox playing Frank Inverter in a 353 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: live edition of whatever that nobody saw is like I 354 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,439 Speaker 1: feel like it like barely counts. And also like it's so, 355 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: how did you feel about Like when I heard the 356 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: announcement of like Laverne being in this, I was like, 357 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: she's gonna be awesome, like dancer, you know, Triple Threat 358 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: can really do a role like that. But I was like, 359 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: there's no way that was her idea. You know, I 360 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 1: didn't think any of those things, and I actually thought 361 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: it was It showed very much And this is funny 362 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: considering that we were just talking about Silence of the Lambs. 363 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: It shows very much the way that the cists had 364 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 1: people making those decisions think about the spectrum of transmiss 365 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: and that they don't think about it and they think 366 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: that a black woman is the same thing as a 367 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: transvestite who uses he him pronounce um. All that being said, 368 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 1: I really really really really really really really don't think 369 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 1: that Rocky Horror can be rebooted or should be rebooted, unless, 370 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: of course I do it. Okay, so um in fran 371 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 1: Toronto's Rocky Horror reboot coming to Amazon Prime. Let's say 372 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: not Amazon, Brian Bles, Okay, I want to hear who 373 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 1: you Okay, let's I'm gonna I think it's giving Peacock. 374 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,479 Speaker 1: I think Peacock would know it is I. I you know, 375 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: I think that honestly, um uh for Franken Further, let's work. 376 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 1: Let's work our way up there. We got we gotta start. 377 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: Let's that's the hardest role, Okay, Brad and Janet. Brad 378 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 1: and Janet um. One of the first kind of like 379 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: normal people I was thinking of was who's the like 380 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: blonde from Riverdale who was in Hustlers who was so good? 381 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,199 Speaker 1: Lily Lily Lily Reinhart would be a good Janet. But 382 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: I'm also gonna introduce the concept to you what if 383 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: they're not assists head couple? What if they're a gay 384 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: mail couple. Because that's because we have to think about 385 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: how we're not only updating the cast, we're updating what 386 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: the movie is trying to say and poke at So 387 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: I think in this updated version they are a cis gay. Yeah, okay, 388 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: So it's Patrick Harris and David Burton. Now they're too old. Um, 389 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 1: you still have to be kind of young. It is 390 00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: um Um Michael Jury. No, still Andrew Reynolds and still old. 391 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: We gotta think we gotta twenty something gay. Andrew Reynolds 392 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,239 Speaker 1: is thirties, like late thirties. Yeah, Andrew Reynolds is like 393 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 1: old like and Andrew Reynolds doesn't need to be in anything. Okay, Well, 394 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: if they're assists gay, Oh it's Bowen. I actually think 395 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: Bowen would be well yeah, okay, okay, I think Bone 396 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: would be good as a riff raff. Um No, let 397 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 1: me wait, I I really want to find the right game. 398 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: Definitely belongs in the rebuild. Okay, wait, um what's his name? Um? 399 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 1: Who was in Pokemon? Oh we didn't watch um who 400 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: was in Detective Pikachu? Not Um Logan Lerman? No, Justice 401 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: Smith Okay, Justice Smith as bradd the kind of stick 402 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: in the mud. And then Janet's kind of liberated. And 403 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:56,439 Speaker 1: then Janet is Frankie Grande. It's actually a throttle. It's 404 00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,679 Speaker 1: a gay Frankie Grande and then I'm the third in No, 405 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: you can't be in the movie, you're the writer director. 406 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,199 Speaker 1: I mean, we'll see, we'll we'll get there. Um, I 407 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: think honestly immediately for Rocky, I was thinking like Lee 408 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: Pace or maybe little not too old Little Nas. Little 409 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: Nas is really good. Pace would also, like Rocky, doesn't 410 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: have to be young Lee Pace for me could be Eddie. 411 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: He could be the meat loaf character. Oh yeah, I forgot, 412 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: But I also think that should be a woman. Well 413 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,360 Speaker 1: what about also think that should be like like, um 414 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: fucking what's her name? From Orange is the New Black? Uh? 415 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: I love Leodelarias so much, I think, and the narrator 416 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:48,959 Speaker 1: um is played by Jean Smart. Oh perfect, that's perfect, Okay, okay, 417 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: Um Magenta, I feel like it has to be someone 418 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: who can really do weird, an iconic redhead. Oh, Halle Bailey, 419 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:05,679 Speaker 1: what's the Oh it's caper Land. It would be she 420 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 1: needs more like paper Land and John Early are Magenta 421 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: and riff raff. Well, not to go back, but I 422 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: think that John and Kate would actually be an amazing 423 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 1: braton Janet and John plays Janet. Yeah, but I think 424 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: they make so much more sense as Magenta and riff Raff. 425 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, they just don't have enough lines. But 426 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 1: they are perfect. But they do the time warp. They 427 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: are they and they actually are in most of the movie. 428 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 1: They are they are there. Okay, okay, I love that. 429 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: Um Columbia, what was that Columbia? Oh, who's Columbia? I 430 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: don't remember the character. She's the top dancing one who's 431 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: in love with Eddie by Leahia. All the roles will 432 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: be played by Leo Dlaria and all Delira and all 433 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,479 Speaker 1: Leo Dlaria reboot of Rocky Hormon. Jenda is actually in 434 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: the works with Loretta Ls incorporated. Like Magenda, let's get 435 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: let's get a transactress in there. I think Magenta played 436 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 1: by a trans dance sir someone, Um, maybe Jesse James 437 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 1: Keetle from the Queer Folk reboot. She's really good. She's 438 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: she's she's kind of she's a little she's kind of 439 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,120 Speaker 1: a more serious. Oh no, Patty Harrison is Columbia. Oh 440 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: my god, bad dance. She she figured out she would 441 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 1: do a kind of Pearl esque tap tap moment. You know, Um, 442 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: that's what I see for her. Okay, well, I don't 443 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 1: remember any of the other character. And then Frankenfurter it's 444 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 1: kind of the only one. Oh, and we also have 445 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 1: to do Dr Scott. The only thing I could well, 446 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: Doctor Scott remind me of that character us the wheelchair. Oh, 447 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: he's in a wheelchair. So could it be um Alison Stoker, 448 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: Alie Stoker? Yeah, I love that she would be great 449 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: or um Yeah, no, Alie Stoker would be good. And 450 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 1: she's already does you know Broadway? Okay, so now we 451 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: just have to cast Frankenfurter. Um Ezra Miller. Know, the 452 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: only thing I could think of was Alan Cumming, but 453 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: I think that's way too obvious. Yeah, and like also 454 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: too old. I think we need someone with you. We 455 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 1: need I think you need to think. This is what's 456 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: the problem with casting Laverne Cox. I do love. You 457 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: need to think rock star, rock star. And it can't 458 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: be Harry Styles. And it can't be Billy Porter. Billy 459 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 1: Porter is coming nowhere near this movie. He's not even 460 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: invited to the premier No, no, um, sorry Billy. Honestly, 461 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: Mary Styles. There's also actually you know what, maybe we 462 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: maybe maybe Little Nas should be Frankenfurter and we find 463 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: another bimbo to play rocky because I think Little Nas 464 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: is a rock star and he's great at being feminine. 465 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: He is an amazing, amazing comedic sensibility. He can dance 466 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: and sang. It's just that his voice to me, doesn't 467 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: lend itself to the octaves of the song. That but 468 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: maybe we we you know, take them down a little bit. Great. Yeah, 469 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: Little Sex can be Frankenfurter, sure, I can't think of 470 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: any of the other thing is that, like franken Furter 471 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: is like an irreplaceable, magnanimous, like singular character, and Little 472 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 1: Nas is also a kind of once in a lifetime 473 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: actor person, you know what I mean. I mean he's 474 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: not an actor, not actor, not an actor, but he 475 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: would he's but he can but he you know, did 476 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 1: that like little Morey thing. Yeah, the more things. He 477 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: was brilliant. His music video is so good, his m 478 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: his like video game partnership that he's doing. I just 479 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: think still with Little nos X, we're still veering a 480 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: little into ABC Family Live musical territory because he's so mainstream. 481 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. But I do think 482 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: it'd be good, but we can't. It will not be 483 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: a live musical and it will not be on the AES. Okay, 484 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: so now who's going to be Rocky since we've recast 485 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 1: some hot bimbo, it could just be Timothy Slamy, Okay, 486 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: it could just Timmy. Timmy would sure No, Timmy would 487 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: want to be Frankenfurter, which and he can't with that 488 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: backless pant suit cannot be with this lu and outfit 489 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: for Venice Is and Taylor Loft fit Um. This has 490 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: been another special Halloween bonus f um. We will be 491 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: doing spooky topics this entire month, but you can continue 492 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: to send us suggestions if you want through Instagram, d 493 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 1: m s or wherever you find us. You can leave 494 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: us a review on Apple Podcasts or rating on Spotify. 495 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: It helps us so much. 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