1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: I Am six forty. You're listening to the John and 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: Ken Show on demand on the iHeartRadio app. 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 2: We're going to start this hour with an update on 4 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 2: Alexandra's Law. We've been covering this story for some time now. 5 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,799 Speaker 2: Alexandra's Law was the attempt to punish the fentanyl dealers, 6 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 2: sort of like with drunk driving. You do it once, 7 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 2: you get a warning, you do it again, your cause 8 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 2: of death. You could face homicide charges. Now there is 9 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 2: an update on the story. Alexandra's Law was failing to 10 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 2: get through the legislature and Sacramento. So the proposal was 11 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: Assembly Constitutional Amendment twelve, which would have put Alexandra's Law 12 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 2: before us the voters. The update this afternoon is it failed. 13 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 2: The full Assembly rejected on a party line vote any 14 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 2: possibility of putting ACA twelve, Alexandra's Law before the voters, 15 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 2: which is why we're going to talk about with our guests. 16 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 2: What we're going to talk about, and that's a ballot 17 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 2: measure that means they're going to have to go collect 18 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 2: signature is to put it on the ballot. And of course, 19 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 2: Alexandra's Law is named after Alexandra Cappaluto, a twenty year 20 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 2: old woman from Temecula who died of fentanyl poisoning back 21 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen. We're going to bring on her father, Matt, 22 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 2: who has been tireless in pursuing Alexandra's law since this 23 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 2: all began. 24 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: It seems like two years ago, but as a couple 25 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: of years, let's get him back on the show. Matt. 26 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:23,559 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Johnny Ken Show again. 27 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 3: Hi John and Kenn, thanks for having me. 28 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 2: Well, I guess you know the news that just came 29 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 2: out in the last hour that the chances of putting 30 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 2: it before the voters through the constitutional amendment process and 31 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 2: the legislature, well that failed to. 32 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. Actually I'm learning that from you. I'm sitting here 33 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 3: at the airport in Sacramento, getting ready to fly back 34 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 3: to southern California. 35 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:42,479 Speaker 4: Yeah. 36 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: We we just got the press. 37 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 3: We knew that was going to happen. Yeah, that was 38 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 3: likely to happen. 39 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, So explain now, yeah, explain now what the 40 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 2: plan is. 41 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: And that's the collect signature. 42 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 3: Huh Yeah, that's why exactly as in Sacramento this morning, 43 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 3: myself and a number of other parents, we filed a 44 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 3: ballot in this It is to get Alexander's Law on 45 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 3: the ballot, the twenty twenty four election ballot ballot for 46 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 3: the people to vote on. 47 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: How many signatures are you going to need? Do you 48 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: know all the details yet? Yeah? 49 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 3: We need six hundred thousand signatures of registered voters and 50 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 3: we'll need to cushion that, so we need probably realistically 51 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 3: at least seven hundred thousand signatures. But we're we're up 52 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 3: for the task. We're up for the challenge. 53 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 2: What are the deadlines here in terms of when you 54 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 2: have to get if you want to get on November 55 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 2: of twenty twenty four, is that the. 56 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 3: Goal, correct? Yeah, on our general election ballot, the presidential ballots, 57 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 3: the signature gathering process will start in November, and we're 58 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 3: put in a plan together to start collecting those signatures 59 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:43,679 Speaker 3: right right when we get that start date. 60 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: Do you have financing for this, because you're going to 61 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 1: need a lot of money to get the signatures statewide resolutely. 62 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, we've got a team working on that. We've got 63 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 3: some very experienced people behind this, and you know, it's frankly, 64 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 3: the reality of this is so many people are dying. 65 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 3: So many people are dying, particularly young people that you 66 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 3: know that that leads to more and more people wanting 67 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 3: to step up and help and do something about this. 68 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 3: Our legislature has felled us at this point, and we 69 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 3: have to get it on the ballot for the people 70 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 3: to vote on. 71 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: For a normal person who doesn't follow the ins and 72 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: outs of politics, and would be absolutely astounded to find 73 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: out that well more than half the legislature doesn't want 74 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: to go after these fentanyl dealers. Explain to. 75 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 3: Not sure we had we had more than half of 76 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 3: the of the state Senate in support of Alexander's law. 77 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 3: We simply couldn't get it to the floor for a 78 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 3: vote because of a handful of senators in the Senate 79 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 3: Safety Committee who blocked it from getting them. 80 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I got a real say, Yes, I agree 81 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: with you, But I have a cynical view of that, 82 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: because if that majority wanted to get this passed, they 83 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: could get those people on the Senate Public Safety Committee removed. 84 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: They could put in new people. And I find that 85 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: a lot of these Senate Democrats and the Assembly Democrats 86 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: use that as an excuse. It's like, hey, I'm for it, 87 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: but you know it always dies in committee. Well you 88 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: let it die in committee. Those committee members ought to 89 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: be removed. 90 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 4: By the leadership. 91 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 3: No doubt there's political gamesmanship going on here when you 92 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 3: talk about the leadership. I've personally reached out and followed 93 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 3: all protocols to try to get a meeting with the 94 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 3: Senate leader Tony Adkins, the Assembly leader Robert Reabs, even 95 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 3: our Attorney General Rob Bonta, and all had declined to 96 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 3: meet with me as full. 97 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: Yes, but what I'm telling you is a lot of 98 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: these a lot of these leaders are fakes and phonies. 99 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: No matter what they say, their vote would be, no 100 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: matter what vote they take, because a lot of votes 101 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: are easy to take for public relations. You know the 102 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: bill is going to go down, but you could be 103 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: for it so you could tell all your critics it's like, hey, 104 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:59,799 Speaker 1: I voted for it. You just didn't have a majority. 105 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: It's like, no, this guy's not for it, or he'd 106 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 1: be raising a big stink and embarrassing his fellow Democrats. 107 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm glad you understand how it works. I 108 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 3: wish the general public did a bit more as well. 109 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 3: But this is all the more reason we need to 110 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 3: get it on the ballot for the people to vote on. 111 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 3: Recent polling has shown without a doubt the vast majority 112 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 3: of Californians thinks that and all dealers should be held 113 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 3: accountable when they sell a product that results an instant. 114 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: Death, and it's their stupid, almost religious like belief that 115 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: they can't add any more prisoners into the prison system. Right. 116 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, but let's talk about also the fact that Alexander's 117 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 3: law is going to persuade a lot of people if 118 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 3: they truly believe that, they would have to say the 119 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 3: same thing for drunk drivers. All we're doing is mimicking 120 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 3: our DUI legislation, which gives drunk drivers a fair warning 121 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 3: that if they continue to drink and drive and somebody 122 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 3: dies as a result, they can be charged with vehicular homicide. 123 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:00,359 Speaker 3: Are we filling up the prisons with drunk drivers as killed, No, 124 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 3: because a lot of them are being dissuaded. The same 125 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 3: thing will happen with cetinal dealership. 126 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 4: Yeah. 127 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: I wonder if that drunk driving thing got in under 128 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: the wire before this woke politics took over over the 129 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 1: last few years. Yeah. 130 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I have heard from some in our legislature that 131 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 3: if that were to come up today that it would 132 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 3: likely fail as well. 133 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: Hard to believe, I know, I think so I think 134 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: something happened in the last like four or five years 135 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: where it's zero tolerance for any law that would put 136 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: new prisoners in prison. And then I don't care what 137 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 1: the issue is. They're there absolutists about that. Matt. 138 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 2: You're I mean, you're new to all this in terms 139 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 2: of politics. Before what happened to your daughter Alexandra, you 140 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 2: probably had no idea this is the way Sacramento has 141 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 2: been working for. 142 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 1: Some time now. 143 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. And I come back home to southern cal and 144 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 3: I try to explain it to my family and friends, 145 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 3: and I can't even put into context what I witness here. 146 00:06:58,240 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 3: It's just absolutely absurd. 147 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: How do they treat you up there when you testify 148 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: and talk to them? 149 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 3: And you know that there are some that do give 150 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 3: us the respect, you know, knowing what we've gone through, 151 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 3: but that many are just very dismissive of us, not 152 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 3: looking at us when we speak, turning their heads on 153 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 3: their cell phones. It's departments. 154 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: They are so no, no, no, most of most of 155 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: those people are so disgusting as human beings. I have 156 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: seen that routine. I've seen it on video when people 157 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: go before the city councilor or some Sacramento Committee. And 158 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: these guys are standard at their phones their whole time, 159 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: scrolling through messages or social media, and they're not listening, 160 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: They're not looking, and it doesn't matter what kind of 161 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: tragic story somebody is telling. 162 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 3: Me before we have an opportunity to testify in front 163 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 3: of them. But I've heard about this ballid initiative ahead. 164 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 2: Well, I'm just saying, don't they understand that fentanyl is different, 165 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 2: that this thing has come along. I mean, it's proper 166 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 2: to call it fentanyl poisoning. Your daughter did not know 167 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 2: she was ingesting fentanyl. This is something we have not seen. 168 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 2: It deems that we do something different, and this idea 169 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 2: punishing the dealers who are handing out fentanyl and killing 170 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 2: people is the right start. 171 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: They don't care. 172 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 3: They conflate it with the War on drugs, and here's 173 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 3: where it's different. There were many ways I agree we 174 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 3: failed with the War on drugs, putting people behind bars 175 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 3: for long periods of time for minor drug infractions. We're 176 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 3: not talking about a minor drug infraction. We're talking about 177 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:39,079 Speaker 3: when somebody furnishes a drug to someone that results in 178 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 3: instant death. And we have to have a means of 179 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 3: stopping those people. 180 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: Of course, it's different, and they know it different. See, 181 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: they don't care. They don't care that your daughter died. 182 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: They don't care about anybody who died. They're in the 183 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: business of enriching themselves with campaign contributions and power and bribes. 184 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: They're not there for your kid or anybody else's kid. 185 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: They've got this weird religious ideological belief that all the 186 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: prisons should be emptied and all the police ought to 187 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: be defunded. And it's it's like a brain virus is 188 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: taken over. Talking to them you might as well. You 189 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: might as well talk to your dog. It's gonna have 190 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: no effect on them. They don't know what you're saying. 191 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:23,719 Speaker 1: And they all need to be removed, really, just not 192 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: all of them, because you know why, because because people 193 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: don't pay attention to any of this. That's why they 194 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: don't know what's going on. They don't know how bad 195 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: it is. They see that the streets are chaotic, right, 196 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: that there's drug addicts everywhere, and crimes everywhere and smash 197 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: and grabs, but they don't understand it was created by 198 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: those bastards and Sacramento, those legislators created this six society 199 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 1: that we're all dealing with. All right, mad Yeah, it's 200 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: absolutely good. 201 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 2: You go, but thank you for talking to us once again, 202 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 2: and we'll be having your back on as a signature 203 00:09:58,080 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 2: process starts. 204 00:09:59,679 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: Thank you. 205 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 3: If I can mention one last thing, it'll be done 206 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 3: in a few days, but people will be able to 207 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 3: go on our website that we're creating for the Initiative 208 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 3: to Stop Fentanyldealers dot org that stopped setnall Dealers dot org. 209 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 3: It's the process of being finished up, should be finished 210 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 3: within a few days, but that's where people can find 211 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 3: out how to help with this. 212 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: All right, Matt, we'll have you back on. Thanks again, 213 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: Thank you. 214 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 2: All right to Matt Cappoluto, whose daughter Alexandra, twenty years 215 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 2: old from Temecula, died of fentanyl poison in twenty nineteen. 216 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 2: He's made it his mission since her death to do 217 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 2: something about fentanyl dealers, and again it got killed in 218 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 2: Sacramento's public safety committees, and the attempt today to let 219 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 2: the voters decide with a constitutional amendment also failed. It's 220 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 2: known as Alexandra's Law, and it's going to punish the 221 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 2: fentanyl dealers the second time they sell fentanyl that kills somebody. 222 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: First time you get a warning. 223 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 2: Second time, we come after you from murder, says here 224 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 2: in the story, a couple of sheriffs, including San Diego County. 225 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 2: We're already treating these fentyl poisonings as as homicides. They're 226 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 2: kind of doing their own, you know, a way of 227 00:10:59,320 --> 00:10:59,719 Speaker 2: dealing with it. 228 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's what rational people do. But I don't 229 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: think people understand just how sick this crowd is in Sacramento. 230 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 1: They have no interest in these in these issues, none. 231 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: But their job requires them to occasionally hold a hearing 232 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: for show. But they're not paying attention. They're not touched 233 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,839 Speaker 1: by anyone's story. Matt's story went went right past them. 234 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: They don't care. There is such a thing as bad people, 235 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: evil people, corrupted people, and that's mostly what you have 236 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: in politics. They're not normal like us, and you have 237 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: to know what your enemy is like that you're dealing with. 238 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: And people tend to think that, oh, those politicians, they're 239 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: like us. They'll understand. All I have to do is 240 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: talk to them. No, there's nothing you say that's going 241 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: to change their minds because they're bad people. 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We 250 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 2: warned you that with the problem they're having with homeless 251 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 2: in Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, Los Angeles, and San Diego. 252 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: This could move east. 253 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 2: Two stories popped up over the weekend that are sort 254 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:24,239 Speaker 2: of eye popping. Homeless destroy a motel in Casper, Wyoming. 255 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 2: They leave five hundred pounds of feces on the streets. 256 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,959 Speaker 2: According to the mayor there, Oh my god. Casper, Wyoming 257 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 2: only has about sixty thousand people. That's its population, and 258 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 2: apparently it doesn't have a lot of beds for the homeless, 259 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,439 Speaker 2: but I did roughly two hundred homeless people are causing 260 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 2: huge destructive behavior in the city. According to Mayor Bruce Nell, 261 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 2: They've created a mester at the streets and the parks. 262 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 2: They close the motel where the squatter has left millions 263 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:55,199 Speaker 2: in property damage. He told the the Cowboy State Daily, 264 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 2: that's the newspaper there. They destroyed everything and it's horrible. 265 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 2: Squatted at the Ocono Lodge motel, causing more damage than 266 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,839 Speaker 2: recent flooding that had initially closed the business down. 267 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: Wow, now now I'm you know, this story doesn't explain 268 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 1: what species of squatters are These drug addicts usually they are? 269 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 2: These are these are usually the chronic homeless have caused 270 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 2: this much damage. The drug addicts, the alcoholics, right, mentally ill? 271 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: Right, So these these are the same kind of homeless 272 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: people you'd find in it, find anywhere, But they're not 273 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: the ones who are just lay in the streets like 274 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: we have in La. Well the other story and it 275 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: might give you a better close, like they organized and unionized. 276 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 2: Missoula, Montana is featured in the Wall Street Journal with 277 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 2: the same problem. They're being overrun with homeless people. Now, again, 278 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 2: this is not a big city, so a couple of 279 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 2: one hundred homeless people makes a big difference in it 280 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 2: town that only has what is it about sixty seventy 281 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 2: thousand people. Seventy eight thousand people are in Missoula, Montana. 282 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 2: They john are claiming in this story that their hands 283 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 2: are tied because of that stupid Ninth Circuit ruling that 284 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 2: unless you have housing, you can't remove the homeless from 285 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 2: the parks and the streets. Homelessness has grown sixty two 286 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 2: percent in the state of Montana since twenty nineteen. And 287 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 2: in this story, there are pictures of some of the 288 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 2: vagrants hanging out in the local parks. It's what you 289 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 2: might expect them to be. They have beat up clothing 290 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 2: and tattoos, and they're just. 291 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: They're talking to some of the locals. 292 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 2: Michael Lightcap, a disabled carpenter, is among more than six 293 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 2: hundred homeless people in Missoula, many who live in public parks. 294 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 2: That's a lot of homeless people for a town of 295 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 2: eighty thousand. Well, it looks like they it looks like 296 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 2: they traveled there. They must have come from somewhere else. 297 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 2: And you know, see, now it's easy to learn about 298 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 2: their other cities and to travel places because everybody's got 299 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 2: a smartphone, even even the drug addicted vagrants have a smartphone, right, yes, 300 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 2: And so you can. 301 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: You can. You can pick out a town and say 302 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: let's go there and get on a bus. Well, here 303 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: you go, Mike. 304 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 2: Mike Helmeck returned in February through his hometown in Missoula 305 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 2: after losing his job in Michigan. So he was in Missoula, 306 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 2: but he went to Michigan, lost his job, and came 307 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 2: back to be homeless with no income besides food stamps. 308 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 2: He ended up living in a tent with his wife, Jennifer. 309 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: He's got to be drug addicts, right, But he's twenty 310 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: six years old, right, and he's got he's got a wife. 311 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: No one come besides food stamps. Stop it. There's still 312 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: like eight and a half million jobs that are available 313 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: in this country. You're twenty six years old and presumably 314 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: as a wife the same age, and you're living in 315 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: a tent. You're doing it by choice, you're doing it 316 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: because you're But this is BS. This is time job 317 00:15:57,880 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: openings around the country. 318 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 2: If you're in Michigan and you know why, back to Montana, 319 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 2: then go to another state with his product job. 320 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, we got we got it. We get 321 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: the hell with this With this Ninth Circuit Court ruling, 322 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: I think a lot of these towns are are misreading 323 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: that court ruling because you could bother these people every day. 324 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: You're only entitled to your little uh sleeping bag in 325 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: the park overnights. You could bother them every day and 326 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: make them move on. You could you could charge them 327 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: with all the quality of life crimes, you know, just 328 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: just pooping and peeing in public, for example, doing drugs 329 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: in public, and say you could just make their life 330 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: miserable until they move on. I think I think even 331 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: in these little towns, the officials are just lazy. They 332 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: don't want to have the fight. Uh. And I think 333 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: I think the local uh, the local people are gonna 334 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: have to handle this when we come back. 335 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 2: Well, let's promise at the top of the show, we 336 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 2: are going to get a report on the annual burning 337 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 2: Man Festival from Alex Stone, ABC News for KFI. John's 338 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 2: first question, did he go and was he nude? Did 339 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 2: he get done well? Because we don't have been of. 340 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: The activities they seemed to involve nudity. There's a lot 341 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: of newde activities going on and maybe maybe Alex was 342 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 1: a part of them. 343 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 2: Johnny kenkf I AM six forty Live everywhere iHeartRadio app. 344 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 5: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 345 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 5: AM six forty. 346 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: We're on from one until four on the radio. After 347 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 1: four o'clock the podcast John and Ken on demand on 348 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 1: the iHeart app. 349 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 2: It's a short week or radio's Tuesday. You can leap 350 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 2: messages for the moist line. We'll be playing them on Friday, 351 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,479 Speaker 2: just three days away. Use the iHeartRadio app. The microphone 352 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 2: icono called the tophy number one eight seven seven moist 353 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 2: eighty six one eight seven seven six six four seven 354 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 2: eight eighty six. 355 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: On kind of a slow. 356 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 2: News labor day long weekend, the story that probably got 357 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,199 Speaker 2: coverage a little out of proportion was what happened at 358 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 2: the Burning Man festival in the Desert, Nevada. But it rained, 359 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 2: Apparently it rained pretty heavy, so it turned out to 360 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 2: be a lot of mud and people got stranded there. 361 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 2: There were alarming headlines for a day or so, and 362 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 2: then there was a huge traffic as people who left 363 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 2: the festival today after last night's closing. Let's bring on 364 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 2: Alex STONEYBC News for KFI with more detail Burning go 365 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 2: to guys. 366 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 4: Yeah, it wasn't even that much rain, but it was 367 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 4: a lot for the middle of nowhere out in the 368 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 4: desert and what becomes black rock city when everybody moves 369 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 4: into it. But the all of the headlines were Oh, 370 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 4: the mayhem of what this is going to be. That 371 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 4: people were being told the ration food and water, they 372 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 4: didn't know how long they weren't going to be able 373 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 4: to get out, that the mud had wiped out roads, 374 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 4: and that people were being locked in, and it sounded 375 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 4: really dire. But the rain moved out, the roads were cleared, 376 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:41,120 Speaker 4: and by yesterday afternoon the burners, as they're known, they 377 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 4: were able to vary slowly. That was one of the 378 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 4: not so great parts. Eight to twelve hours to get 379 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 4: out through the desert and through the cleared roads. They 380 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 4: were able to begin leaving. And then today the big 381 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 4: exodus is going on. After they burned the man, the 382 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 4: big wooden man that's burned every year, they burned it 383 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 4: last night. They were able to do it. It had 384 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 4: been delayed a couple of days. And now everybody is 385 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 4: heading out. But those who were there are saying, except 386 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 4: for the porter potty situation, because they weren't able to 387 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 4: get trucks in to clean the porter potties over the weekend, 388 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 4: that those got really bad. Except for that, everybody was 389 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 4: just hanging in the desert and they yellow bars that 390 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 4: they had set up were open and food was being 391 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 4: served at Kiana. Bill, she's a burning man today. 392 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 3: You America, if people have laid it and actually hasn't 393 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 3: been that terrible, if they had every group of people 394 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 3: to get stuck. 395 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 4: With this is this is the one angela peacock there 396 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 4: and is heading out. 397 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: But it was a lot of fun. 398 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 3: Those weren't even with the rain. It was an amazing experience. 399 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 4: So it's one day later than normal. They are beginning 400 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 4: to move out, they say, kind of for some people 401 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,360 Speaker 4: the mental if you think about it, of that you're 402 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 4: not allowed to leave if there is no way out. 403 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 4: That some people freaked out about that. But those who 404 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 4: had r v's, and there were a lot of r v's. 405 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 4: If you've seen the pictures of people getting out of there, 406 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 4: it's just miles and miles of our v slowly moving 407 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 4: through the desert. They brought in the people who didn't 408 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 4: have r v's and were able to house them there 409 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 4: as the rain was coming down, and some of the 410 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 4: folks say they got even closer to the other burners 411 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 4: because they were sharing food and hanging out in those RVs. 412 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 4: There was one person who died over the weekend, but 413 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 4: eighty thousand people were there, so it could have been anything. 414 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 4: The Sheriff's Department hasn't clarified what that was. It could 415 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 4: have been a medical emergency and they couldn't get them 416 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 4: out because the storm was in so they couldn't go 417 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 4: by air. The ground was all messed up so they 418 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 4: couldn't go by ground, or something else. We don't know 419 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 4: what that was. But most of the people who were leaving, 420 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 4: and there are big buses of people leaving today going 421 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 4: back to airports and getting out of there and going 422 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 4: back to Reno that they say it was pretty amazing 423 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 4: and they can't wait to do it again next year. 424 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: Do you know who won the naked oil wrestling competition? 425 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 4: Flower? I think Flower won the Naked oil Wrestling or 426 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 4: some other name of that type. I don't know, but 427 00:20:58,680 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 4: I'm sure was going on. 428 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: There were naked dinosaur rides. 429 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 4: You know, there's all kinds of stuff. A guy went 430 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 4: to high school with who is now a very rich 431 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 4: antishusiologist in northern California. He goes every year and watching 432 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 4: him on Facebook with their baby and his wife riding 433 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 4: around overnight on these things that look like they're from 434 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 4: the Electrical Music Parade at Magic Parade at at Disneyland 435 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 4: that they were riding around a big pollinator, big lit 436 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 4: up be with lights all over it. And that's how 437 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 4: about the guys, say Oprah Lions and Art. 438 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: Well, these guys they're they're naked and they tie rubber roosters. What, well, 439 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 1: it's it's the thing I told you about before you 440 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: know it's They call it bleep fighting. 441 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 4: Well, I mean why not. Isn't that what you want 442 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 4: to do on a Saturday in the muddy rain, covered 443 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 4: in mud. 444 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: So they've got rubber chickens and the two guys attack 445 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: each other with the rubber chickens dangling from between their legs. 446 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 4: That is not your almost Saturday night, I mean you 447 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 4: know that. No, that's pretty normal to me. 448 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: You spend too much Northern California. Is it just all 449 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 1: seems disgusting to me? 450 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean it's it's definitely for a certain crowd. 451 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:22,880 Speaker 4: And the headlines of you know, the Mayhem and the Mud. 452 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 4: There was a lot of mud. There are doctors who 453 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 4: are saying that the people need to go and clean 454 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 4: off that mud. You don't know what was in the mud, 455 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,719 Speaker 4: and that have been you know, kicked up. And there 456 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 4: were so many people in it and the toilets were 457 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 4: overflowing and all of that. And now the people are 458 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 4: cleaning up and getting out of there. They think that 459 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 4: they had a great time. 460 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: All right, all right, Alex, thank you for that report. 461 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: We appreciate it. 462 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 4: Right, you're a pollinator. Tonight later. 463 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 2: KFI on the mob that went to Burning Man and 464 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 2: supposedly over sixty thousand stayed despite the flooding, And do. 465 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: You I mention what that all smells like? 466 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 2: Though, Well, it's outdoors, so you want to hang out 467 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 2: in RVs? Is that they bring there? They sleep in 468 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 2: tents in RVs? I don't know, little bit like going 469 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 2: to Coachella. It's all about bodily fluids and oils. 470 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 1: Do not like Coachella, Ken at all? 471 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 2: Well, I just mean in terms of where they hang out, 472 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 2: you have to have something to sleep in. 473 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: Well, yes, some people can't at Coachella, but myself, I 474 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 1: stay at a hotel or an airbnb. There are no 475 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 1: hotels or Airbnb for Burning Man, right. 476 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,360 Speaker 2: There are people in RVs and tents, just like there 477 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 2: are at Coachella. That's all the only point I'm trying 478 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 2: to make. 479 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: Oh okay, alright, relax, Ken, I'm not going to be crazy. 480 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 1: I do want to offend Coachella. Yes, thank you. Well 481 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: I would not want it lumped in with Burning Man. 482 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 1: Burning Man's disgusting. I've been to Coachella and that's civilized. 483 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: You've been to Coachella. Yeah, wait what I really stop 484 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: the show? Yeah, but I didn't know you ever went. 485 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: Yeah I did for a short time. Yeah, for short 486 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 1: you need to drop them off and came back later 487 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 1: as a no. No, I actually went one day. I 488 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: remember looking at watching some of the music acts. Oh, 489 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: never mentioning it on the show before me. That's a 490 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: big event that well, I mean it's because well, no, 491 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: and then there was there was Old that was that 492 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,439 Speaker 1: was in the demo. I remember that the year they 493 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: had Paul McCartney and Bob Dylan and the Rolling Stones 494 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: and uh Neil Young. 495 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 2: That was only one time they did that because everyone's 496 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 2: dead now, yes, that's right, everybody really do that once. 497 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,360 Speaker 2: There was instantly no Old. There was no sequel. 498 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 1: Actually that was kind of funny because the the old hippies, 499 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,719 Speaker 1: the original fans of some of these acts, they were 500 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: getting wheeled around. Oh they were. There were a lot 501 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: of fan and the fans. Yeah yeah, well yeah, yeah, 502 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 1: because you mentioned sure they were. They're probably about, you know, 503 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 1: eighty years old. 504 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,959 Speaker 2: Why don't you guys do a remote at burning Man 505 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 2: Next Live everywhere? 506 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: I heard radio app Mark Litt in the twenty four camp. 507 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: I need to repeat that. 508 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 5: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 509 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 5: AM six forty. 510 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 2: We had a very rare form of skin cancer is 511 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 2: what I read that it turned into It turned into Lemfalma. Yeah, 512 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 2: that's just a very tough story. And I just remember 513 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 2: reading a couple months ago he had to cancel a 514 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 2: concert tour because of medical issues, but didn't say what. 515 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 2: And then you know, we found it. Over the weekend, 516 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 2: Jimmy Buffett passed away. Coming up after three o'clock, we're 517 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 2: going to be talking to John coopaul the Howard Jarvis 518 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 2: Tax Faces Association. Last week, while we were reporting a 519 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 2: good piece of news that that piece of legislation which 520 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 2: is going to punish the sex traffickers of minors as 521 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 2: a serious offense. While that made its way through with 522 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 2: a slight amendment, another measure, a constitutional amendment, made its 523 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 2: way through the legislature and will be going before the voters, 524 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 2: which tears into prop thirteen a bit. We'll find out 525 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 2: more about this and detail with coming up after the 526 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 2: news at three o'clock with John wall. 527 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 1: One pick in the gould pool for Jimmy Buffett. Oh 528 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 1: got a few points. Now, all my sons, they all 529 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: know all the Jimmy Buffett songs. I had. One of 530 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: his greatest hit CDs used to play in the car constantly, 531 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: A Cheeseburger in Paradise, which is one of my all 532 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: time favorite songs. 533 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 2: A top scientist by the name of Patrick Brown says that. 534 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: He deliberately omitted a. 535 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 2: Key fact and a climate change piece that he just 536 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 2: had published in a prestigious journal to ensure that the 537 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 2: editors ran it. That fact is that eighty percent of 538 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 2: wildfires are started by humans. He left that out on 539 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 2: purpose to see what they would do with his piece, 540 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 2: and of course they ran with it because their intent 541 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 2: on climate change is the root cause of wildfires, when. 542 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,719 Speaker 1: That is not the case with most fires starting. 543 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, percent are caused by people, particularly when you talk 544 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 2: about power lines and such. 545 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, So what he did is he smoked them out. 546 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: He omitted his finding eighty percent cost by humans, which 547 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: makes sense, doesn't it. You know, when you have fires 548 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 1: coming here in California and Hawaii, largely from power lines 549 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 1: going down. That's human cost. That's not nature. That's not 550 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: global warming, climate change, whatever stupid new phrase they have, 551 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 1: and gave. 552 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 2: The example of a paper he recently authored, a titled 553 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,880 Speaker 2: climate Warming increases extremely daily wildfire growth risk in California. 554 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 2: The paper was published in the journal Nature last week 555 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 2: and focused exclusively on how climate change has affected extreme 556 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 2: wildfire behavior. But he says, I left out the full 557 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 2: truth to get my climate change paper published. I stuck 558 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 2: to a narrative. I knew the editors would like, that's 559 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 2: not the way science should work. So he was trying 560 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 2: to make the opposite point that they're all biased and 561 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 2: they're only looking for material. Particularly since he's a lecture 562 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 2: John Hopkins with a PhD in Earth and Climate sciences. 563 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 2: They must have gone nuts and Nature and Science and said, oh, 564 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 2: there you go. 565 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: This guy's written something. 566 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 2: That supports our belief that climate change is causing all 567 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 2: world disasters. 568 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: Let's run with it. Well, and he tramped them on purpose. 569 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: It's an example of how it's run like a religion. 570 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 3: You know. 571 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: Imagine you were doing some kind of research and you 572 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 1: came to the Catholic Church, and he goes, I have 573 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: proof here that I have proof that Jesus and the 574 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: twelve Apostles didn't exist. What kind of reception you think 575 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: you'd get. 576 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 2: You wouldn't get a reception. The door would shut in 577 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 2: your face. They would kill you, right, he said. The 578 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 2: media operates like the scientific journals. The focus on climate 579 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 2: change fits a simple storyline that rewards the person telling it. 580 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 2: Scientists who careers depend on their work being published in 581 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 2: major journals tailor their work to support the mainstream narrative. 582 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 2: This leads to a second unspoken rule in writing a 583 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 2: successful climate paper, the authors should ignore or at least 584 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 2: downplay practical actions that could counter the impact of climate change. 585 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 2: He says, the editors that prominent journals need to expand 586 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 2: beyond this narrow focus that pushes the reduction of greenhouse 587 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 2: gas emissions. One example he gave was forest management practices 588 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 2: could be improved, which could negate the detrimental effects of 589 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 2: climate change on wildfires. And that's something we've talked about 590 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 2: at nauseum over the years. They have to do more 591 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 2: to manage the forests, such as the prescribed burns and such. 592 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 2: So he's just making his point. 593 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: Then he says, other papers he's written that don't match 594 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: a certain narrative have been rejected out of hand by 595 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: the editors of the journals now, and you have to 596 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: publish them in less prestigious outlets. This is all right. 597 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: This is a fancy wave of saying that a lot 598 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: of these studies are propaganda in lies nine, that everybody 599 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: has joined the religious cult. And if you say anything that, 600 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: they brand you as a heretic and they block you 601 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: from publication, they throw you out of the club. Sorry, 602 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,479 Speaker 1: can't do that. If you're going to be published, if 603 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: you're going to come to our conferences, you have to 604 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: say what we want you to say, and it doesn't 605 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: matter what kind of evidence or proof you have otherwise. 606 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 2: Coming up next, you're going to be talking to John 607 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 2: Coopol for the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association. 608 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: Listen up, you need to hear about this. 609 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 2: Johnny KENKFI AM six forty live everywhere, I Heart Radio 610 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 2: app Debra Mark live in the twenty four hour KFI Newsroom. Hey, 611 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 2: you've been listening to the John and Ken Show. 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