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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to save our prediction of iHeartRadio. I'm

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Speaker 1: Annie Reech and.

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Speaker 2: I'm learn Vocal Bomb, and today we have an episode

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Speaker 2: for you about the Atlantic halibate.

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Speaker 1: And first off, thank you Lauren for specifying Atlantic calibt,

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Speaker 1: because I almost made a big mistake stuff about the

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Speaker 1: Pacific alibt in there, but I caught myself, So that's nice.

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Speaker 1: That's good. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I learned early on from our Rice episode to

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Speaker 2: kind of to kind of narrow down, to do something

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Speaker 2: a little bit more digestible, if you'll forgive the pun,

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Speaker 2: and to make it yeah, just right, to not fight

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Speaker 2: off more than we can chew.

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Speaker 1: Episode topic wise, wow, coming strong out of the gates

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Speaker 1: on this.

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Speaker 2: I was trying to think of any other metaphor that

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Speaker 2: works there, and I was like, now just lean into it.

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Speaker 1: Here we are. Yeah, I think it's time. I think

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Speaker 1: it's time. Well, was there any particular reason this was

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Speaker 1: on your mind? Well?

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Speaker 2: I had been out to a lovely dinner in Atlanta

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Speaker 2: and had there was a special of halibate, and I

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Speaker 2: was like, you know, what's up with that fish? I

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Speaker 2: had also, to be fair, been looking for a type

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Speaker 2: of fish and had entirely forgotten that, like two nights

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Speaker 2: earlier I had had that lovely halibate. But then as

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Speaker 2: I was like looking through one of the sustainable seafood lists,

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh, really okay, And because because halibate

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Speaker 2: is like, yeah, under certain circumstances, it is considered a

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Speaker 2: good catch always, always, these things are hyper local, so

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Speaker 2: you know, like like check resource guides in your area

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Speaker 2: for sustainability. But yeah, in in the United States, wild

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Speaker 2: caught Atlantic halibate are a good sustainable seafood choice as

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Speaker 2: of right now.

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Speaker 1: As of right now. Yes, yeah, I can't say I

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Speaker 1: have a particular strong memory of halibit, but I know

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Speaker 1: I've had it. Seafood is like my favorite thing, so yeah,

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Speaker 1: me too. A type of fish or something is on

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Speaker 1: the menu, that's what I got. Yeah, sure I might

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Speaker 1: have had some in a white Oh.

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Speaker 2: That sounds like a thing I don't know, Probably not

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Speaker 2: an Atlantic one, probably a one at that juncture. But see, yes, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I do associate it with like a with like being

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Speaker 2: like kind of a one of the specials on a

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Speaker 1: So yeah, well I'm going to keep an eye out

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Speaker 1: because I love seafood, I love fish, so yes, speaking

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Speaker 1: of you can see our past fish episodes. They're always fun,

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Speaker 1: also sometimes pretty sad, but fun. We were just talking

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Speaker 1: about this off mic, but I guess that brings us

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Speaker 1: to our question. Sure, Atlantic calibate, what is it?

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Speaker 2: Well, the Atlantic calibate is a type of large saltwater

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Speaker 2: boned fish that is prized for its a firm, mild

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Speaker 2: sort of like sweet and buttery white and meat. It

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Speaker 2: is a big, fast moving predatory fish, but unlike some

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Speaker 2: other powerful predators that we've talked about, it's a bottom

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Speaker 2: dweller and uses this like kind of catlike like hide

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Speaker 2: then pounce strategy to catch other fish and other prey.

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Speaker 2: It's eaten, however, you want to eat a fish big steaks,

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Speaker 2: grilled or baked or broiled or sliced thin and served

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Speaker 2: raw or chemically cooked into a savice or something like that,

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Speaker 2: simmered into stews like chowder, or cooked and prepared and

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Speaker 2: like creamy fish salads. Yeah, it's got a good chew

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Speaker 1: It's like a like.

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Speaker 2: A more flaky tuna, or maybe like a like a milder,

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Speaker 2: less fishy, less fishy, less fatty salmon. It's like the

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Speaker 2: it's like the tenderloin of the sea. It always feels

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Speaker 2: like a like a steakhouse kind of fish. Yeah, eating

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Speaker 2: a room that has like a good warm fire going.

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Speaker 1: That sounds so nice right now, Yeah, that sounds nice always.

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Speaker 2: I mean right, I mean heck oh okay, So taxonomical

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Speaker 2: name hippo glosses hippoglossis in the Atlantic. Calibate is a

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Speaker 2: type of flatfish or flounder, meaning not that they like

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Speaker 2: are a type of bony fish that live on the

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Speaker 2: All right, fish anatomy, So lots of fish have one

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Some fish, like a goldfish or swordfish, are a round boys,

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Speaker 2: but others are are pretty flat. And halibit are quite

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Speaker 1: But this does not mean that they have like.

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Speaker 2: One eye scraping through the sand all the time. They

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Speaker 2: have evolved so that as they grow up, one eye

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Speaker 2: migrates to the other side of their skull, so that

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Speaker 2: they can lie flat on their side with both eyes

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Speaker 1: Wow. In the case of the Atlantic halibate, the left.

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Speaker 2: Eye always migrates to the right side of the head.

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Speaker 2: I don't I don't know why.

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Speaker 1: That's so cool.

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Speaker 2: It's so cool, and they look so dirty. I deeply

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Speaker 2: need you to go look up pictures of halibit because

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Speaker 2: they're they just little buddies. Just they look so smooshed

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Speaker 2: oh so cool, which then reminded me that I have

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Speaker 2: indeed seen like illustrations of what a anatomically correct flounder

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Speaker 2: very creepy.

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Speaker 1: Oh I almost got a founder once. It was the

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Speaker 1: one that got away fish story. Well, yeah, but he

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Speaker 1: those they looked at me and said not today, and

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Speaker 1: no one believes me, but I swear.

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Speaker 2: They're they're apparently powerful fish and like we'll fight back.

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Speaker 2: So this is this, this makes a lot of sense

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Speaker 2: to me based on what I've read over the past

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Speaker 2: twenty four hours.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you for your support.

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Speaker 2: But okay, uh, they are not born with with both

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Speaker 2: That happens during a metamorphosis stage. But before we get there,

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Speaker 2: all right. So Atlantic halibate are a spawning fish, meaning

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Speaker 2: that male and female fish each release their reproductive cells

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Speaker 2: They're they're they're sperm and eggs respectively, and just kind

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Speaker 1: It's like, all right, go ahead, do it or don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: The bigger ladyfish can produce like over two million eggs

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Speaker 2: mostly drift with the currents for a few months inward

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Speaker 2: they will go through that metamorphosis and then start swimming

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Speaker 2: and ranging further back out to sea. They develop pale

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Speaker 2: on their top side. They feed on invertebrates when they're younger,

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Speaker 2: speckled coloration to more solid in color. They reach maturity

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Speaker 2: at about ten years, which is a long time, and

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Speaker 2: live at least fifty years. Their strong swimmers, and yeah,

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Speaker 2: do sometimes range toward the surface in order to catch prey.

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Speaker 2: They are in fact the biggest species of flat fish

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Speaker 2: averaged like one hundred to one hundred and fifty pounds

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Speaker 2: five to seventy kilos and over a meter long. But

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, They range from like from like vaguely flat

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Speaker 1: So yeah, oh no, that would scare me if I

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Speaker 2: Luckily the big ones are more likely to be further

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Speaker 2: calibate does, yes, live in the Atlantic Ocean in the

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Speaker 2: and the coasts of northern Europe. Preferred commercial fishing methods

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Speaker 2: least likely to damage the habitat and least likely to

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Speaker 2: catch other species, though recreational fishures do sometimes accidentally hook

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Speaker 2: one while going for other bottom dwelling fish, like the

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Speaker 2: aforementioned cod and haddock. We both like eating the same things,

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Speaker 2: so makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Yep, yep.

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Speaker 2: They are also farmed in some areas where the populations

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Speaker 2: are risk and in some new areas like Chile. Atlantic

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Speaker 2: calibate are often butchered into four large filets like top

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Speaker 2: cut into steaks or smaller pieces. The flesh is like

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Speaker 2: translucent white when it's raw, and we'll cook up to

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Speaker 1: I have seen.

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Speaker 2: Recipes for raw hab dishes like crudo or carpaccio or

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Speaker 2: sushi style preparations. I don't think I've had it raw,

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Speaker 2: but I understand it's firm and a little chewy along

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Speaker 1: Yeah. When it's cooked, it's.

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Speaker 2: Sort of meaty tender with large flakes, the way that

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Speaker 2: salmon or swordfish are, but again, like much more mild.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, Well what about the nutrition on its own?

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Speaker 2: Halibate has a lot of protein and a pretty great

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Speaker 2: smattering of micronutrients. What little fats it does contain are

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Speaker 2: the good ones. As with other types of large predatory fish,

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Speaker 2: there are concerns about build up of stuff that you

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Speaker 2: don't want, like mercury in Atlantic calibate. In general, i'd

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Speaker 2: say that fish like this are like a sometimes food. Okay, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 2: Well we do have some numbers for you. Yes, So

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Speaker 2: the largest specimen ever recorded was caught in nineteen seventeen

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Speaker 2: weighed about seven hundred pounds and that was alive. Oh

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Speaker 2: my god, that's a large fish that is a very

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Speaker 2: large fish due to overfishing during the nineteen hundreds. There

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Speaker 2: are a lot of regulations in place about how much

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Speaker 2: Atlantic halibate can be caught wild. In the United States,

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Speaker 2: it's just one fish per vessel per trip out into

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Speaker 2: US federal waters, and there is a minimum size limit

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Speaker 2: to make sure that young fish are allowed to reach

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Speaker 2: maturity and spawn. In twenty twenty two, though commercial fishers

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Speaker 2: caught about sixty thousand pounds worth a little under half

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Speaker 2: a million dollars. In some other areas, populations are apparently okay,

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Speaker 2: like off the coast of Norway. There is a sport

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Speaker 2: halibit competition there every year, with prizes of over five

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Speaker 2: thousand pounds for the largest single halibit cot and the

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Speaker 2: longest accumulative length of halibit caught over two days. It

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Speaker 2: is a catch and release competition though, yeah, and farming

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Speaker 2: can be a little bit difficult due to this complex

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Speaker 2: that they do. But production in Norway reached about sixteen

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm definitely gonna I'm going to be on the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not think of tea, total tea. Oh, it's right there, right,

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Speaker 1: Yes, I mean this sounds like a lovely feast.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, Okay, Well we got some time we do

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Speaker 2: I've joked before about savor and never ending because I

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Speaker 2: don't think I can retire, but you know, yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: my voice is only going to get better. Taylor wrote

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Speaker 2: A big fan of the show and first time writing in.

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Speaker 2: When I was listening to the Baklava episode, it made

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Speaker 1: Out what they're all about.

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Speaker 2: Sadly, it was too crowded to order anything when I

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Speaker 2: lots of pistachio. One type is even shaped like mussels

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Speaker 2: and is called drum roll Mussel BOKLEVA quick pivot, but

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Speaker 2: It's a tiny drive through spot and the coffee is delicious,

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Speaker 2: but more importantly, the cup is adorable. It has goats

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Speaker 1: Lol. That's interesting because we also have goat based coffees. Oh,

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Speaker 1: they're all goat goat based. It isn't often.

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Speaker 2: kind of offensive. In terms of goats, I think we're fine.

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Speaker 1: Goat's got a lot going on. They do, they do

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Speaker 1: as we have discussed. Also, I love this buck of

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Speaker 1: Yes, I love it. I definitely want to look that

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Speaker 1: up too. I love I'll speak you to the end

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Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of it. Yeah, oh yeah, this

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Speaker 1: is the best kind of homework. Come on, oh absolutely

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Speaker 1: absolutely well. Thanks so much to both of those listeners

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Speaker 1: for writing in. If you would like to write to us,

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Speaker 1: you can. Our email is hello at saborpod dot com.

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Speaker 2: We're also on social media. You can find us on Twitter, Facebook,

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Speaker 2: and Instagram at saver pod and we do hope to

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Speaker 2: hear from you. Savor is production of iHeartRadio. For more

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Speaker 2: Thanks as always to our superproducers Dylan Fagan and Andrew Howard.

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Speaker 2: Thanks to you for listening, and we hope that let's

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