1 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: Babby. Monday, everyone, and welcome Inside with the Insiders, a 2 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: Monday podcast edition. We got a full house here from 3 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 1: clockwise bottom left, Mike Garafalo, Judy Battista, No Wrongway, Ian 4 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: and Ian Rappaport. I am Tom Pellissero. As we do 5 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: every Monday, we will get into all the fallout from 6 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: all the games on Sunday, we also take a look 7 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: back at a wild Thanksgiving and Black Friday, talk about 8 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: the broader scope of things across the NFL. But let's 9 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: start as we always do on Mondays by talking injuries, 10 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 1: and one of them Ian occurred at the game that 11 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 1: I was at yesterday. Sauce Gardner had the dreaded something 12 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: happens in his lower body. He turns around to look 13 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: behind him, wondering exactly what happened. I talked with Sauce 14 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: in the locker room after the game. He said he 15 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: felt like he got shot. It was at the top 16 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: of his calf, not the bottom. This is not an Achilles' tear, 17 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: This is not a long term injury. But for a 18 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: Colts team that's kind of hit a rocky patch here, 19 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: they may be without their all pro corner for a 20 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: bit here. 21 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it is a calf strain, I would 22 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 2: say mild calf strain. 23 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 3: So probably a few weeks for sauce Gardner. 24 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 2: Now you know, they'll make the determination whether or not 25 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:24,199 Speaker 2: they put them on IR. 26 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 3: We'll see. 27 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 2: I'm not sure we'll know that today, but we'll see 28 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 2: a lot of times those come on Tuesday or maybe 29 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 2: Wednesday morning. But probably in that window where like might 30 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 2: go on iron might not. So probably a couple of 31 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 2: weeks for the Colts. He's a really good player. But 32 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 2: it's also significant for me in another reason. They kind 33 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 2: of went all in on sauce Gardner, right, and they 34 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 2: traded two first rounders. He is sort of the missing 35 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 2: piece on their defense. He's one of the best corners 36 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 2: in the NFL. He is a good dude and an 37 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 2: awesome player. When you go all in, there is always 38 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 2: the risk that something bad happens and it's not season ending, 39 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: but the season doesn't have that much that much longer, 40 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 2: so like these on IR that's through all but the 41 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 2: last game, Like you're getting to that point where every 42 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 2: injury is like is he day to day or is 43 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 2: he season over? So always risky to go all in, 44 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 2: and in this case, this is literally the last thing 45 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 2: a Reel and Colts team could have happened. 46 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: I understanding is there's no determination yet made on injured 47 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: reserve that would be a minimum of four games. They'll 48 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: figure that out over the next couple of days. Here 49 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 1: might make sense just to give him the opportunity. I mean, 50 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 1: yesterday he was in a boot on the sideline, He 51 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: had crutches by his locker. He was moving really gingerly 52 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: through When I spoke with him, I mean, he was 53 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: optimistic that, hey, this is not going to be that long. 54 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: I'm going to be back out there. But TBD exactly 55 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: what that's going to be does not sound like he's 56 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 1: going to be out there for another huge AFC South 57 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: game against the Jaguars next week. We'll talk more about 58 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: the Colts, the Texans and that division in a bit, 59 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: but we also had a quarterback injury yesterday Mike to 60 00:02:58,120 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: a guy who I feel like there are three or 61 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: four times a year where he suffers an injury. It 62 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 1: sounds like something very significant and somehow justin Herbert ends 63 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,519 Speaker 1: up playing the following week. Where do we stand right 64 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,399 Speaker 1: now with the Chargers quarterback as they try to get 65 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:13,239 Speaker 1: this thing going down. 66 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 4: The stretch that might be the case in this one, Tom, 67 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 4: as he comes back in the game yesterday, played through it, 68 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 4: I mean playing through the actual injury. Now you're adding 69 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 4: surgery to it, which as we sit here right now, 70 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 4: has not yet happened. But it's going to happen here 71 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 4: on Monday, and then over the next couple of days. 72 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 4: I think they're going to get a better determination of 73 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 4: where he is and whether he's really got a shot. 74 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 5: He's got the extra day. 75 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 4: It's a Monday game, so that'll give him another twenty 76 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 4: four actually more than twenty four hours if it's going 77 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 4: from four pm Eastern to eight pm Eastern, so gives 78 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 4: him twenty eight hours extra to play in the game. Ian, 79 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 4: trust me, the math is good, and I just like 80 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 4: you said, Tom, just knowing the pattern of things that 81 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 4: have happened with Justin Herbert before. As I sit here 82 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 4: right now, sounds like they're hopeful that it is a 83 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 4: possible thing for him to play. I remember, you know 84 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 4: DeMarco Murray, and I'm not saying it's the same injury. 85 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 4: Remember DeMarco Murray had surgery on a Sunday and played 86 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 4: at the running back position just four. 87 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 5: Or five days later or whatever it wound up. I 88 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 5: think I think it was a short week if I 89 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 5: recall correctly. 90 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 4: But regardless, it sounds like, how are you playing after 91 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 4: hand surgery? 92 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 5: It is possible, we've seen it. It's not his throwing hand, 93 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 5: so we shall see. 94 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: I mean, the same guy a couple of years ago 95 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: had a high ankle sprain. It was like, there is 96 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: no chance he's playing. He went out there with about 97 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 1: three rolls of tape on that thing and just gutted 98 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,239 Speaker 1: it out for a month, starting out, if I remember correctly, 99 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: in a game at Pittsburgh where Judy we had another 100 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: quarterback come back from an injury. This has been a 101 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: moving target with Aaron Rodgers, who was ian reported has 102 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: not just won, but multiple fractures in his left wrist. 103 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: He was wearing a pretty big whatever that thing was 104 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: on it yesterday went down once turned out that was 105 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: because I mean it looked like he'd emerged from fight 106 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: club with a cut on his nose. It was not 107 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: related to the wrist. But bottom line, however, close to 108 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 1: one hundred percent he was that Steelers offense does not 109 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: look one hundred percent at anything right now, And suddenly 110 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: it's six and six they're right back in that kind 111 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 1: of no man's land that we've seen the Steelers so 112 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 1: many times in recent years. 113 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 6: And to be fair, they haven't looked one hundred percent 114 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 6: Even before he injured his wrist, they were his play 115 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 6: and their play has been declining over the last four 116 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 6: or five weeks. Obviously, he looked beaten up, and they 117 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 6: could barely move the ball last night. I mean they were. 118 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 6: They couldn't run on one of the worst, if not 119 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 6: the worst run defenses in the entire NFL. They just 120 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 6: could not get anything going. He is clearly frustrated with 121 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 6: his wide receivers, as we'll probably get to in a 122 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 6: little bit. He'd make clear in his postgame comments that 123 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 6: they're not on the same page. This looks nothing like 124 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 6: what it looked like in the first month of the season, 125 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 6: when it looked like they were going to run away 126 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 6: with the AFC North, when the Ravens, you know, got 127 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 6: off to such a terrible start in the steel were 128 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 6: on a roll early, and now it has all come back. 129 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 6: If you're trying to look on the bright side for 130 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 6: the Steelers, they've they've got both games against the Ravens 131 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 6: ahead of them, so you know, you could beat them, 132 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 6: and the Ravens are certainly not playing great either. Lamar's 133 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 6: got his own issues. I mean, the entire division is 134 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 6: kind of a mess, right, Like the best looking team 135 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 6: this weekend was the Bengals. Buy a lot in that division. 136 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: Two games back in the division games back. 137 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 6: Joe Burrow looks by far the best quarterback in that division. 138 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 6: So but it's it's clearly not good for the Steelers 139 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 6: right now. They've got time to salvage it. 140 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 2: But yeah, it's well, first of all, we kind of 141 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 2: do the same thing with the Steelers and the Ravens 142 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 2: where it's like, well, okay, so like obviously they're six 143 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 2: and six and they played just okay, but you know, 144 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 2: they do have two games against the other one, and 145 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 2: I'm thinking, I'm like, well, yes, but then they both 146 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 2: probably don't get in, right, I mean, I don't know. 147 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 3: If the Bengals kick it in, they basically have to 148 00:06:58,440 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 3: run the table. 149 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 2: But like, only so many can get in, So we 150 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 2: really are looking at the possibility that one of those 151 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 2: teams finishes eight and nine or something like that and 152 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 2: doesn't get in. And that's just it's a weird world because, like, 153 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 2: you know, if you're the Steelers and they don't get 154 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 2: in the playoffs, which they always seem to do. Then 155 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 2: it raises all sorts of other questions. Tom, you mentioned 156 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 2: the brace on Aaron Rodgers left hand. My understanding is 157 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 2: that's so it the bone doesn't displace. In other words, 158 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 2: it's like together. For lack of a better way of that. 159 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: Fear is right if you have these types of the 160 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: smaller fractures, but if you were to fall on it 161 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: again in this displaces, that means the whole thing is out. 162 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: Now it's surgery. Now it's season ending, which is the 163 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: risk factor why they didn't play in the week before. 164 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 3: Yes, the risk factor and the risk factor I knew. 165 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 2: I saw this before, and I'm pretty sure that Amari 166 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 2: Cooper wore the same thing when he had a similar 167 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 2: fractured risk A couple Was it last. 168 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 3: Year when Amark Coople paid for the bills last year? 169 00:07:58,040 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 5: Right? Yes? 170 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Winterville last year, two years ago. So it 171 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 2: did look familiar. So that was the fear. I think 172 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 2: he'll be able to take snaps from under center next week. 173 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 2: But you're right, like they got a lot of stuff 174 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 2: to figure out in Pittsburgh, and like all those teams 175 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 2: the division aren't gonna make it. Maybe just one does, 176 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 2: or maybe one in the Bengal I don't know. It's 177 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 2: one of those teams need to go on a little 178 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 2: run here. 179 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 4: Look, I can't get over the boeing of Renegade yesterday, and. 180 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 5: Some of that probably could great Bill's. 181 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 4: Some of that probably came from some Bills fans because 182 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,079 Speaker 4: they were there in force as they as they always are, 183 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 4: but a lot of it also came from Steelers fans. 184 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 5: I've seen a lot of reaction on social media. 185 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 4: This is starting to feel like a little bit bigger 186 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 4: than just are they going to make the playoffs? 187 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 5: Are they going to win the division? This is starting 188 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 5: to feel like is this the end? 189 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 4: Is this the end for a team that hasn't fired 190 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 4: a coach it was in nineteen sixty eight. 191 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 5: I think that's all. 192 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 3: But they're not going to fire Mike Tomlin. It might 193 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 3: and I don't I don't. 194 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 4: Cats didn't fire Tom Cofflin either, Right. I'm just saying like, 195 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 4: this just feels like when your fan base is reacting 196 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 4: the way. 197 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 5: That they did yesterday, and yeah, nine and eight, if. 198 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 4: They get to nine and eight, depending on how they 199 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 4: get I. 200 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 5: Mean it depends like do they beat the Ravens. You know, 201 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 5: nine and eight's not going to get you a wild 202 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 5: card spot, I'll tell you that much. 203 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 4: It just feels like they're spinning their wheels at this point. 204 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 4: I think that that's what the fan base is feeling 205 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 4: as well. And Mike Tomlin's probably going to be a 206 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 4: victim of his own success here because they've never had 207 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,079 Speaker 4: a high enough draft pick to take one of the time. 208 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 4: Like think about how the Colts had Peyton Manning. He 209 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 4: didn't play for a year. They were horrendous. That was 210 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 4: the Andrew Luck draft. Great just kind of picked up 211 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 4: where you left. 212 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:46,079 Speaker 5: The Steelers have. 213 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 4: Never had that, and uh, I'm not calling the end 214 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 4: of it, but I'm saying, if this keeps going the 215 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 4: way it's going, you just and I know how the 216 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 4: Steelers are. 217 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 5: I you know, I mentioned the Giants with Kauflin. 218 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 4: The Giants sort of are like like, at some point 219 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 4: you're going to look and see your fan base that 220 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 4: you are you want to please, and every team does, 221 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 4: but certainly them. I just I'm starting to season and 222 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 4: hear some stuff where it's like, where's this going to go? 223 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 6: Well? 224 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,719 Speaker 1: Count count back to how many different quarterbacks they've had 225 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: since Ben Roethlisberger. They did take a first round pick 226 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: on Kenny Pickett, it was the first quarterback off the board. 227 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: There were a variety of reasons that didn't work out 228 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: for Kenny Pickett, who is now holding on to the 229 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: number two job for the moment with the Las Vegas Raiders. 230 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: You tried it with Russell Wilson at age thirty six 231 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 1: or whatever. Now you try with forty one year old 232 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. It shouldn't be a shock that those guys 233 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: aren't carrying the team. But there's also something to be 234 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: said for you'd like to think that everything else, the coaching, 235 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: the rest of the roster could elevate the level of 236 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: an older quarterback. We just haven't seen that in the aggregate. 237 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,959 Speaker 1: The Broncos, course, were the team that cut Russell Wilson 238 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: prior to him. 239 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 6: Can I just add, yeah, go ahead, Can I just 240 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 6: add one thing before we move on about the Steelers. 241 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 6: Mike Tomlin has been manufacturing victories for years now, since 242 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 6: Ben Roethlisberger was in his prime. And I would say 243 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 6: to those fans who certainly have a right to be 244 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 6: upset and expect more, but they have rich people problems, right, 245 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 6: Like how many fan bases would be thrilled to go 246 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 6: to the playoffs as often as the Steelers do, even 247 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 6: if they don't get to the mountaintop. What coach do 248 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 6: you think is going to do a better job manufacturing 249 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 6: victories and holding a team together when you don't have 250 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 6: competent quarterback play year after year after year. That is 251 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 6: the problem for the Steelers. If you're not fixing the 252 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 6: quarterback play, if you're not fixing the wide receiver room, 253 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,079 Speaker 6: who do you think is going to get better results? 254 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 6: You got to have an answer to that before you 255 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 6: send Tomlins. 256 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to jump in here before I know 257 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 2: we're going to get to something else. But this is 258 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 2: sort of the problem, and this is why you see 259 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 2: a team like, I don't know. Let's say the Jets 260 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 2: be bold and say we're going to trade some of 261 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 2: our best players to get these first rounders because it 262 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 2: is the only way to get a quarterback. 263 00:11:57,960 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 3: And the Steelers are never bad enough. 264 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 2: The Peyton Manning example with the Colts is like the 265 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 2: perfect thing because everyone wishes they could have one horrific 266 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 2: injury that makes you so bad that it's really nobody's fault, 267 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,559 Speaker 2: even though they ended up firing everyone there anyway, and 268 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 2: say all right, we're just going to start new. 269 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 3: The Steelers are never bad enough. 270 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 2: And so it's like, this is why teams say we 271 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 2: are going to trade our guys to get first multiple 272 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 2: first rounders, because that's the only way we get a guy. 273 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 2: And the Steelers just like I was thinking about them 274 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 2: this weekend, like I assume Rogers is not coming back. 275 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 3: They're going to be in the same exact situation again 276 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 3: for like the sixth year in a row. 277 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: But also we've seen other teams. I understand the frustration though, 278 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: and this is not just strictly a personnel issue. Omar 279 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: cons as aggressive as anybody in the NFL in terms 280 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: of trades and try and to upgrade the roster. Mike 281 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: Tomlin drives a lot at the most important position, and 282 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: these are Mike Tomlin decisions in many cases in terms 283 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 1: of how they go. He decided Russell Wilson, I'm naming 284 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:01,839 Speaker 1: him the guy in the pole position coming into this thing. 285 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: He's going to be the quarterback this year was it 286 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: was Aaron Rodgers. There's other teams in those same couple 287 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: of years that have gone out and signed to Sam 288 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: Darnold won a bunch of games, or signed to Daniel 289 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: Jones and won a bunch of games. That's not to 290 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: say those guys will go to Pittsburgh and have better 291 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: results than what's there currently. The Broncos, which I was 292 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,839 Speaker 1: getting to, are sitting there at number twelve and took 293 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: a guy in bow Knicks that there were plenty of 294 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: people around the NFL who thought this guy's a second 295 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: third round pick. He hasn't been great, Mike bo Nix 296 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: has not been perfect by any stretch this season, but 297 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: they're Broacos team that's ten and two, and much like 298 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: the Bears, who will talk about a little bit later, 299 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: it just feels like, however they get there in the 300 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: last few minutes of these games, Sean Payton and Vance 301 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: Joseph and those guys have coached them so well that 302 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: situationally they make the plays that they need to make, 303 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:49,839 Speaker 1: and that's why we're looking at them being in the 304 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 1: mix right now for the number one seed. 305 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 4: We had a spur of the moment impromptu middle of 306 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 4: the segment conversation Jamie. 307 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 5: Heard on this throw a dust and Good Money Football 308 00:13:58,120 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 5: last week. 309 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 4: He said, who's the team trust the most or who's 310 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 4: the most complete team, or however she phrased it. And 311 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 4: at the time, like you know, Manti said the Rams, 312 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 4: and I was like, yeah, it's a great and in 313 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 4: the Rams and they there's just no there's just no 314 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 4: team like that. So as I as I look at 315 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 4: the landscape, I go to the Broncos because they're the 316 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 4: ones making the plays at the right times of the game. 317 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 5: It's not like Sean Payton's offense. 318 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 4: You think back to New Orleans with Drew Brees and 319 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 4: five thousand yards passing, and you know, like I thought 320 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 4: Evan Ingram was going to go there and recapture the 321 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 4: magic and almost get a thousand yards. They looked up 322 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 4: his stats last night. He's got like three hundred yards 323 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 4: on the season. It's just not the same. 324 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: One catch last night he had when they threw it 325 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: to him that. 326 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 7: He's still But you can't really argue with it when 327 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 7: you go, well, look at the results and look at 328 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 7: them making plays at the right time again in the 329 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 7: fourth quarter, in overtime, doing what they need to do 330 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 7: to win football games. 331 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 4: That's not usually what we've seen Sean Payton in the past. 332 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 4: We've seen that from his team this year. I'm super 333 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 4: impressed with that part, Judy. 334 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 6: I do think they probably bone Nicks. You'd like to 335 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 6: see him be a little bit more level less up 336 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 6: and down if they're going to make a deep, deep 337 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 6: run into January, because he did have Like, the fourth 338 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 6: quarter was not good, right, they kept stalling the offense 339 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 6: couldn't they couldn't hold onto the ball. I mean, they 340 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 6: couldn't extend drives to keep the Commanders off the field. 341 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: So the fourth quarter was not good. 342 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 6: And then of course they go into overtime and he 343 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 6: has another one of these incredible winning game winning drives, 344 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 6: which they've now had whatever it is. 345 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 3: However, winning is five or. 346 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 6: Six whatever the season, so he's clearly got confidence. Sean 347 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 6: Payton had a great quote a few weeks ago that 348 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 6: his clock goes fast, meaning Bonnix's clock goes fast, and 349 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 6: they needed to slow it down because sometimes when he's 350 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 6: under pressure, he sort of gets too too frantic. So 351 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 6: if they can just level that out just a little bit, 352 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 6: they are very I mean, the defense is obviously a 353 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 6: super Bowl caliber defense, and Sean Payton is a super 354 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 6: Bowl winning head coach, which you want in January. Then yeah, 355 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 6: there's no dominant team this year. Anybody who gets in 356 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 6: is going to be able to win it. 357 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 2: I would say, real quick, the only way I'm starting 358 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 2: to learn, I've been doing this fourteen years. 359 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 3: I'm starting to learn something. 360 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 2: Only a way to develop a young quarterbacks have an 361 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 2: awesome defense, I really think so. Like they all go 362 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 2: through these second year slumps. They all get to times 363 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 2: when they can't complete a pass and can't start a drive. 364 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 2: And if you have an awesome defense, like Houston's a 365 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 2: great example, you can prop these guys up enough to 366 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 2: where they can just relax and make a couple of plays. 367 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 2: And that's what's been happening with bo Nix and defense 368 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 2: is also don't slump. So I think them you know, 369 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 2: I think the Broncos will be one of the teams 370 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 2: that's in it till the end. 371 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: We mentioned briefly all the discussion that I felt like 372 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: I saw on every show across every network last week 373 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: about the Rams or the team to beat. Are they 374 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: the most complete team? Are they the best team? All 375 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: the numbers they're putting up ian they go to face 376 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: the Panthers yesterday, a Carolina team that has been I 377 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: think it's fair to say up and down this season. 378 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: They've had some really bad losses. They've also had some 379 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 1: great wins. They beat the Packers a couple of weeks ago, 380 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: they now beat the Rams. They're a hard team to 381 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: figure out. Bryce Young is fun when he's rolling, and 382 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: to the extent that the Rams might have need a 383 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,360 Speaker 1: little bit of a reality check about how good they 384 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: actually are. You would think a loss like that probably 385 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: serves that purpose. 386 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot here for the Rams, and you're right, 387 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 2: reality check is a great way to describe it. But 388 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 2: I do want to talk about the Panthers for a 389 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 2: couple reasons. One is a couple of years ago, when 390 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 2: we were all talking about hot head coaching candidates, they 391 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 2: went and hired a guy who most people had never 392 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 2: heard of. And while a lot of people try to 393 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 2: get rid of their staff, he was like, I have 394 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 2: a really good defensive coordinator and I'm just going to 395 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 2: keep them. We're going to build up the offensive defensive lines, 396 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 2: and everyone's going to take a breath and we're going 397 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 2: to learn and try to do this the right way. 398 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 2: And so Bryce Young was really bad and everyone knew 399 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 2: he was a bust, and then they kind of took 400 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 2: a breath and focused on offensive defensive lines, running the 401 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 2: ball and getting him a position to succeed. And I 402 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 2: don't know that anyone's going to learn any lessons, but 403 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 2: just the world moves too fast. We all make decisions 404 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 2: way too fast. But it seems after a couple of 405 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 2: fall starts, the Carolina Panthers have really done. 406 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 3: It the right way. 407 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:33,360 Speaker 1: Right. 408 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 3: They have built through the trenches. They have let their. 409 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,199 Speaker 2: Quarterback have a little bit of time and try to 410 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 2: focus on only what he does well and put him 411 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 2: in position to succeed. And they took a coach who 412 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:48,360 Speaker 2: nobody else wanted but was good for them and let 413 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 2: him kind of build it out. And it's not perfect, obviously, 414 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 2: and they really have been up and down win loss, win, loss, 415 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 2: win loss, but they're in position to make the playoffs. 416 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 2: And for what Carolina has dealt with over the last decade, 417 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 2: that is unbelievable progress. And I think Mike a very 418 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,120 Speaker 2: very cool thing to see Dave Canalis. 419 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 4: I mean this started last year with them when they 420 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 4: were going toe to toe with some teams. Even when 421 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 4: they were losing, they were losing in overtime. There's a 422 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 4: Buccaneers game they lost in overtime. There's a Chiefs game 423 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 4: where they played extremely well and so to close. 424 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 5: And that's why to me, I remember it. Judy, I 425 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 5: apologize for this. 426 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 4: I remember a segment in the summer we were talking 427 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 4: about which team could get off to a fast start 428 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:32,439 Speaker 4: or whatever, and Judy, I. 429 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 5: Don't even think I was in the segment. I was like, hey, Judy, 430 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 5: why do you say the Panthers. She was like, YEA, 431 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 5: that's a Goodea, it's a Pathers. 432 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 4: Because they finished so strong last year and I think 433 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 4: the schedule sort of set up, you know whatever, and 434 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 4: she agreed with me, and we both talked about it. 435 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 7: I was like, it was great, and then they got 436 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 7: off to a horrific, star horrifect start and I was like, 437 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 7: wait a second, Like, are my eyes deceiving me. 438 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 1: I was hoping nobody would remember that, but he did. 439 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: In fairness, he did take it the blame on himself. 440 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: You just got brought along for the ride, which happened sometimes. 441 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 5: We were kind of kicking some ideas around. 442 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 4: It's why, you know, when we don't here, we go 443 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 4: get we talk about stuff in the off season, they 444 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 4: don't pay any attention to it because frankly half. 445 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 5: It's not gonna be true. 446 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 4: But I just remember thinking last year how well they 447 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 4: played down the stretch and that that would carry over. 448 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 5: And then it didn't. 449 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 4: I was like, oh boy, so now here they come again, 450 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 4: sort of doing the same stuff. I did look at 451 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 4: this after the game yesterday. They've got two games against 452 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 4: the Buccaneers. Even if they win those two games, that 453 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 4: gets into nine wins. 454 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 5: Tampa's probably getting to ten, no matter what I mean. 455 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 4: If we're playing this out here, They've got the Saints 456 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,199 Speaker 4: next week, that's got to be a win. They've got 457 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 4: the Falcons and the Dolphins are the other games, so 458 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 4: you figure two of the three they're gonna win. You know, 459 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 4: it's it seems like it's gonna be an uphill battle 460 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 4: even to make the playoffs. But if they don't, ideally 461 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 4: this time, you carry that momentum into next year and 462 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 4: you realize you're. 463 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 5: Going toe to toe with teams. 464 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 4: I still think like they could be better from a 465 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 4: talent standpoint, and it's a process of getting there because 466 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 4: they had a little sputtering when it came to the 467 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 4: roster for the last couple of years. I'm looking forward. 468 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 4: I'm not calling it for twenty six, but I am 469 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 4: looking or twenty five. I am looking forward, Judy that 470 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 4: Panthers in twenty six. 471 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 1: Well, now here's my question now for Judy. Don't listen 472 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: to whatever Mike is saying here, but after what you 473 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: saw yesterday, clearly you can you see the Seahawks go 474 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: up against Listen. It's an undrafted rookie quarterback in his 475 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: first game, a Vikings team that's just got a total 476 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 1: system failure in terms of what they're trying to do 477 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: right now, and it's hard to watch. Kevin O'Connell's a 478 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 1: really good coach, it's just it's not working right now. 479 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: But the Seahawks roll again. You've got the forty nine 480 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: ers who, despite all their injuries, Brock Purdy is starting 481 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: to look like Brock Purdy again, which is a big deal, 482 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: and there was a lot of rust to shake off. 483 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 1: Who do you have right now in the NFC North, 484 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: Who's the team I frame with you this year? Who's 485 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: the team you don't want to face if you're seeing 486 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: these guys down the stretching into the playoffs. 487 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 6: In the NFC West, I still believe that it's the Rams. 488 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 6: Like I did not look last yesterday. It was an upset. 489 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 6: I didn't think the Rams were going to win every 490 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 6: game coming down the stretch, and I didn't think Matthew 491 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 6: Stafford was never going to throw another interception. Even really good, solid, 492 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 6: well coached, well put together teams have blips have bad days. 493 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 1: This was one of them for the Rams. 494 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 6: They are still an incredibly balanced, incredibly talented, very well 495 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 6: coached organization. I still look at them and see the 496 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 6: division champion San Francisco. Kyle Shanahan is probably not going 497 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 6: to win Coach of the Year, right, Probably not. He 498 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 6: maybe should, he certainly should get strong consideration the fact 499 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 6: that they are this deep into the season with all 500 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 6: of those massive injuries. We've been talking about them literally 501 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 6: since Week one, the injuries, and they're still winning games 502 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 6: and still in it this deep. It's a tremendous coaching job. 503 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 6: I just don't know if it would be sustainable all. 504 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: The way through. 505 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 6: I like Seattle a lot. I just have more confidence 506 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 6: in Matthew Stafford than I do in Sam Garnold in 507 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 6: the big moments. Is the margin for me, it's the 508 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 6: Rams in my head still. 509 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the Seahawks are weird though, because, like you, know, 510 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 2: we do all these shows, we have all these conversations, 511 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 2: and there's almost nothing to talk. 512 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 3: About with Seattle. It's very strange. 513 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 2: Like they play great defense, they have a pretty strong 514 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 2: running game. They have a quarterback who's who's definitely good, 515 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 2: who has been on. 516 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 3: The show, who we like, who Judy called a funny nickname. 517 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,479 Speaker 1: You don't think there's a lot to talk about with 518 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 1: the receiver who up until yesterday was on pace for 519 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: the first two thousand yard season, or the defense. 520 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 3: Nobody talks about them. 521 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: Nothing makes makes that like. 522 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 3: There's no no, there really isn't. 523 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: I mean seriously, like watching this somewhere and you're gonna 524 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: get it. 525 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 3: Sure, No, it's good. It's good. There's no issues. 526 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 2: I mean, they're just a really good, relatively boring team. 527 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 3: I mean even like. 528 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 2: Like their best receiver, who has become one of the 529 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 2: best receivers in the NFL, is someone who most people 530 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 2: hadn't heard of unless you were like a huge college 531 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 2: football fan before this year. 532 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 3: Like, it's really interesting they are. 533 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 2: They're quiet, they're very business like, there's not a lot 534 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 2: of headlines. They are just awesome and so like, I 535 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 2: don't know where they're going to be seed wise or 536 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 2: ranking wise, but like God forbid, they get a bunch 537 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 2: of home games, that's going to be that place is 538 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 2: going to be insane. 539 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:22,360 Speaker 3: And like they are. 540 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 2: You know, we all talk about like the way people 541 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 2: have rebuilt, and like they the way they've rebuilt on 542 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 2: the fine including changing out their quarterback twice since Russell Wilson, 543 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 2: has been unbelievable, and they have built a juggernaut that 544 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 2: seems like they're not going anywhere. 545 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 1: Well, we just put the standings up. There's three teams 546 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,439 Speaker 1: in that division with nine wins right now, so you're right, 547 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: they could end up being I mean, heck, at this point, 548 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: they could end up being the number one seed, but 549 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: they also could be the five to six seven seed. 550 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: This is the same Seahawks team. To remember last year 551 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: Mike McDonald's first season went ten and seven and did 552 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: not make the playoffs. So, like you, you better be thinking, 553 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: we got to get to eleven, We got to get 554 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: to twelve, whatever it's going to take, because you've got 555 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: a really competitive NFC North right now, the potential get 556 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: multiple playoff teams. The Cowboys probably have to catch the Eagles. 557 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 3: It's play again, yes, play one more time. 558 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 5: Play one more time play in week sixteen. 559 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: You would think the NFC South and the FC East 560 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: Mic right, are probably going to be racist to win 561 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: the division. One team gets in and then it's gonna 562 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 1: be some combination of the other two teams, the NFC 563 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: West and the other two teams in the NFC North. 564 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: One of those teams is getting left out. There's only 565 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 1: three wild cards somebody between. Out of the six teams 566 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: all right, Ian's making faces, the Rams, Seahawks, forty nine Ers, 567 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: the Lions, Bears, and Packers. They are all packed in 568 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 1: those divisions. One of those teams at least is not 569 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: making the playoffs, which Mike makes. I mean, all these 570 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: games for these next five weeks here absolutely enormous for 571 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 1: all those teams. 572 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 4: But throw the Cowboys are six five and one, So 573 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 4: if the Cowboys, if the Cowboys beat the Lions, it's 574 00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,479 Speaker 4: like then we'll talk Cowboys. And you got to say 575 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,239 Speaker 4: the Lions are probably on the outside looking at at 576 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 4: that point. 577 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 5: I mean they're currently on the outside. 578 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 4: But like the third wild car team right now, Thanksgiving 579 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 4: was the other day. In case you forgot, the third 580 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 4: wildcar team is the is the Niners. They have nine wins, 581 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 4: so nuts like eleven might not get you in. 582 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 5: This is kind And I was smiling when Tom. 583 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 4: Was talking about the Seahawks could be anywhere from one 584 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 4: to seven or potentially even out. It's it's Sam Darnold 585 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 4: from last year all over again with the Bikings. It's like, hey, 586 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 4: we're playing for the one seat. Also, we could be 587 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 4: on the last team to get into the playoffs based on. 588 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 5: The the seating or whatever it wound up in it. 589 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 5: So there was. 590 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 4: Unlike Ian, I think the Seahawks are entertaining. Ernest Jones 591 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 4: certainly made it entertaining yesterday. Give love to DeMarcus Lawrence 592 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 4: on the front part of that play. 593 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,199 Speaker 5: The way that he was dragging down. 594 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 4: I was almost afraid that like he was gonna blow 595 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 4: it with like a horse collar, But he just dragged 596 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 4: Brosmer down sort of by his by his arm. So 597 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 4: he did everything he could to get that done. It 598 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,959 Speaker 4: took a while to get going for the Seahawks offensively, 599 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 4: and certainly the defensive touchdown help them. I just we're gonna, 600 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 4: We're gonna keep coming back to that's great. What was 601 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 4: the score twenty six nothing yesterday or whatever it was. 602 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 4: I'm like, oh great, Sam Donald, awesome, Okay, Sam Donald's 603 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,159 Speaker 4: now Rams Thursday Rams Thursday Night, and I said, they 604 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 4: play it. They played Rams on Thursday. Who has the 605 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 4: Thursday night games again? And I forget who broadcast them? 606 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 4: Could be in a It's Prime video. Take care of 607 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 4: your people, go. 608 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: To the button works well on the pregame show. I 609 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 1: mean I do I mute it. I don't. I don't 610 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: need to hear more of him. All right, Hey, well 611 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 1: we gotta take a break. If you are catching us 612 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 1: on the podcast, it's a two parter every Monday, so 613 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: go over catch parts. You're watching on youtubet, you're watching 614 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: on the NFL channel. I have it, I projected, but 615 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: I mute it. On the they use the Sonos thing. 616 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 7: It's great. 617 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: Uh, catch us over there. We will talk about the 618 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: AFC South race, which again tightened up yesterday with the 619 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,360 Speaker 1: Jaguars when the Texans beating the Colts. We will talk 620 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: about Schor Sanders. Also rewind to all the various movement 621 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: that occurred in the NFC North and the NFC East 622 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: last week. So for Mike Judy Ian, I'm Tom. We'll 623 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: see you over there.