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Speaker 2: No, this is why I made a rule for myself

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Speaker 2: I've been that person where I'm stuck for fifteen minutes

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Speaker 1: Obviously, so I sent a follow up email like, hey,

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Speaker 1: Correct exactly what I did in Hello, do you know

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Speaker 3: And they Instagram follower account just in case.

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Speaker 1: They said we did not get your submission? Would you

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Speaker 1: please resend? Said absolutely, so, I resent it, And within

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Speaker 1: You think you could book this? You can't have them

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Speaker 3: My mom. What a way for you to ritualistically, uh.

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Speaker 4: You're coming through a tiny little hole into the world

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Speaker 1: Damn it absolutely true. Welcome to pod Meets World.

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Speaker 3: I'm Daniel Fishl, I'm Rider Strong, and I'm Wilfordell.

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Speaker 1: So to day, we are so honored this week to

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Speaker 1: welcome a very important figure in mine and writer's life

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Speaker 1: In short, she is a baller. For forty years, she

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Speaker 1: Something I know I can say helped shape me into

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Speaker 1: who I am today. It's time to welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Before you ask Judy Savage, he oh my gosh, how

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Speaker 1: do you look exactly the same? Just shorter hair?

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Speaker 3: You do?

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Speaker 1: You do?

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Speaker 1: Literally your face is exactly the face I have in

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Speaker 6: Well, you know what, there are facelifts and fillers.

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Speaker 1: I need some of those, really need some of those

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Speaker 1: for sure. So when we first started this podcast and

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Speaker 2: Like episode one because Danielle and I were sitting there

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Speaker 2: And it was like, well, Judy Savage, Judy Savage, and

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Speaker 6: You were the first one dream for me.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I don't mean to frighten us all, but writer

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Speaker 1: So that you could have Indy, so I could have Indy.

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Speaker 2: So can I just tell you for me? For you,

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Speaker 3: You just such confidence.

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Speaker 6: When I started my agency, my three children, who were

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I mean, what it sounds like someone saying you'll

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Speaker 6: If that hadn't happened, if he had been able to

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Speaker 6: Being in the business then was so much better than now. Now.

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Speaker 6: two thousand dollars. But that's it. And they don't care

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Speaker 2: And then there's no residuals because it's just because they're

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Speaker 3: Yep. Yeah, it's certainly a different time in the industry, that's.

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Speaker 6: For sure, completely different. I was absolutely so lucky. I'm

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Speaker 1: Well we were lucky as well. We were so lucky

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Speaker 6: Okay, good question. A talent agent. People always say, oh,

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Speaker 6: And all the things that are casting that day or

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Speaker 6: do that the next time. But it's a hard business

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Speaker 2: And so after you've but that's what made that's but

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00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 2: after you've made the connection. So let's you have a client,

440
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 2: less you have their headshots, you get the breakdowns of

441
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 2: what the studios are looking for for their project. There's

442
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 2: a connection made you send your client in. What happens

443
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 2: next when they get the part, let's say, or a

444
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 2: call back? What is the next step once.

445
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 6: They go in that you may go in with and

446
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 6: there's ten or twelve people reading for the same part,

447
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,679
Speaker 6: then you have to just crossingers that you're going to

448
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 6: get a callback. And once I started sending people to

449
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 6: Diane Harden, almost all of her students got callbacks. And

450
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 6: then if it was a big part, if it was

451
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 6: just a part for a guest star for the week,

452
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 6: it didn't usually have to go to the network. You

453
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 6: might just go back for a match between two people.

454
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:21,959
Speaker 6: But what some series or a starring in a movie,

455
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 6: you'd have to go to the network, and they do

456
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 6: matchups at the network, and sometimes more than once. And

457
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 6: so it was a hard process to get a part

458
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 6: unless you were really well known. And then sometimes you know,

459
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 6: by the time you've got quite well known, people would

460
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 6: offer you certain parts.

461
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: Right, and then the part that I remember so well

462
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 1: is the part that comes even after that, So a

463
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 1: child books apart and then it becomes all about the

464
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: negotiating of their contract.

465
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 6: Ye, well, and that's what I love the most.

466
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 3: That's what you were the best.

467
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 2: You were the best, well, you were the I'm sorry

468
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 2: it wasn't it if memory serves, didn't you have to

469
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 2: have your contract negotiated before your screen tested?

470
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, because they What happened was, yeah, they wanted to

471
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 4: make sure that you could they couldn't fall in love

472
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 4: with you for the part, and then you turned around

473
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 4: and went.

474
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 3: Well, now I won one hundred and fifty thousand dollars

475
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 3: an episode.

476
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 4: So you had to not only worry about getting the role,

477
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 4: auditioning and then the screen test, which is the most

478
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 4: nerve wracking thing in the history of the world, but

479
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 4: also your agent is negotiating your contract the whole time

480
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 4: you're actually screen testing.

481
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 3: So it was it was nuts.

482
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 6: I know. And the worst place to negotiate with was

483
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 6: Disney always they did the most work for children and

484
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 6: young adults, and they were all wonderful people over there.

485
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 6: I loved them all, but they were they were so

486
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 6: tight with their money. And I remember Tim Taylor's uh,

487
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 6: I can't remember the name Improvement. I had all three

488
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 6: boys on that show, and when they first tested, they

489
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 6: tested so many kids, and two of them were brand new,

490
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 6: so I could only get twenty five hundred episode for

491
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 6: the youngest one, seventy five hundred for the middle one

492
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 6: because he had quotes, and five thousand an episode for

493
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 6: the third one. So what you did usually was renegotiate

494
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 6: in the third year and the fifth year if they

495
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 6: go long enough. Well, the third year came up and

496
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 6: I decided to renegotiate for all three boys. Well I

497
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 6: had to. I went back to them and they said,

498
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 6: we will give you two more tickets to the tape.

499
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 6: And so I said to the mothers, I've learned that

500
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 6: if you say no, you'll get what you want. So

501
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 6: I went back to the casting director and I said,

502
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 6: all three of my boys are sick. And I told

503
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 6: her what I'm and she said, well, well that can't be.

504
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 6: And it went dragged on and on and on, and

505
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 6: they kept giving me like I'll give you fifty dollars

506
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:32,239
Speaker 6: a week or one hundred dollars. No, nope, nope. I

507
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 6: wanted to get them all up to seventy five hundred

508
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 6: and the one that was a seventy five hundred, ten thousand.

509
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 6: So finally they put out new breakdown for all new children. Wow,

510
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 6: And I said, don't be I sent in new people myself.

511
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 6: I sent in a lot of the people that went

512
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 6: in the first time and didn't get it, and I

513
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 6: kept saying to them, just don't be scared. We've got

514
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 6: a bluffemer we'll ever get anything. You'll be at the

515
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 6: same salary for eight years. Finally they came back and

516
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 6: they agreed to everything I wanted, and so I toltal

517
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 6: everybody and they were all so excited. And then I

518
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 6: got the reputation that I was the agent that broke

519
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 6: the back of Disney.

520
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 2: A.

521
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 3: Good rep to have.

522
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,479
Speaker 6: I didn't really break the back, but I got a

523
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 6: better salary for the three boys.

524
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 3: Well this is I mean, this is what was.

525
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 2: What I remember so well, is like, you know, with

526
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 2: my mom and my dad coming into the industry.

527
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 3: You are just so clueless.

528
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 2: You know, unless you come from the industry yourself, like

529
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 2: as a parent, they had no idea. And you're so

530
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 2: excited by the prospect of Disney, for instance, you know,

531
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 2: and you think it's like an honor to be a

532
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 2: kid on a Disney show.

533
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 3: That must mean something.

534
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 2: So you're willing to sacrifice what otherwise you would never accept.

535
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: And they're going to take advantage of that as a

536
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 2: giant corporation that's trying to, you know, cut every corner

537
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 2: they can, and so I always knew, like I know that.

538
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 2: The second my mom met you, she was like, Nope,

539
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 2: we're trusting Judy, because you had this amazing balance of

540
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 2: having been a stage parent yourself, understanding the desire, the

541
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 2: love for the talent, and the love for the art.

542
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: But then you were also so strong and willing to

543
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 2: negotiate and never scared by these huge corporations who could

544
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 2: make her break your client's careers. And that was so

545
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 2: comforting to know, because I think, I think a lot

546
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,959
Speaker 2: of agents, you know, don't do that. They don't stand up,

547
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 2: and you always did.

548
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 6: I learned from the agent that I worked for who's

549
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 6: now deceased, so I can say her name, and she

550
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 6: was a lovely, lovely lady. She was. She represented my

551
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 6: children when they were working Grady Mary Grady.

552
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: I would because I offs, and I would.

553
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 6: Hear her and somebody came in with an offer, she

554
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 6: would go, oh, thank you. Never tried to negotiate. I thought,

555
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 6: I'll ever do that. And that's one of the reasons

556
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 6: I started my own agency. Wow, was because I knew

557
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 6: I heard all these amounts that people got, but the

558
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 6: only way you're going to get them is to say no.

559
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 6: Not only that, I got to be friendly with a

560
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 6: lot of the producers, a lot of the casting characters.

561
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 6: I've lunch to them, and eventually I could say to him, Okay,

562
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 6: what have you got in the budget for this? Yeh,

563
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 6: And they'd help me later on after they got to

564
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 6: know me.

565
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 3: Yes.

566
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: I mean, it's absolutely one of the things I remember

567
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: most about you, because I don't know if you remember

568
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: working with my father on my contracts for Boy Meets World,

569
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: But my dad was also a very tough and very

570
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: good negotiator, and my dad loved working with you, the

571
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: two of you together redlining contracts and fighting to get

572
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: me a fair contract. And because you represented writer who

573
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: obviously had a lot more experience than I did, but

574
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: you knew what they were paying writer, and so you

575
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: had a number in mind that you were trying to

576
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: get me to for.

577
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 6: And I remember I really had a hard time because

578
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 6: somebody had put you on the show at a.

579
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: Really long enough that's exactly right.

580
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 6: Very hard time getting them to increase it.

581
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: You had to double my salary between I think seasons

582
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: four and five. I went from making seventy five hundred

583
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 1: an episode to making fifteen thousand dollars an episode. And

584
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: the way we did that is not unlike your story

585
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: about the Home Improvement Boys. I came right down to

586
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: the wire and I had to threaten anther show up

587
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: to a table read. And I was in that same situation,

588
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: except I was very nervous I was going to lose

589
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: my job. I didn't want to lose the job. I

590
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: was willing to do it for whatever. You know. I

591
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: was like, whatever, I don't get to see this money anyway,

592
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: it's going into an account. Please just don't lose this

593
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: job for me. And I remember crying on the phone

594
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: to you and my dad saying I'm going to trust you,

595
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: but but just please don't lose this job for me.

596
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: And you're saying I'm not going to.

597
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 6: But what helped me was the fact that your dad

598
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 6: was willing to take yes.

599
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: And he was and he was yeah. He was saying

600
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: to me, She's exactly right. You cannot allow them to

601
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: walk all over you. And unless you want to be

602
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: paid this same amount that you're getting paid now that

603
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 1: you you know, they've acted as though making seventy five

604
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: hundred by season four with some ooh, that's some gift.

605
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: But you knew what everyone else was making, and you

606
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: knew that's not fair, not equitable, and I still we

607
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: still never in full seven seasons, we never did get

608
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: me to a place where I was matched to what

609
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: anyone else made. I always made less so everyone else

610
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: on the show. And they said it's because of where

611
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: I started. I started at a low threshold. I was

612
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: never going to get up from there. But you did

613
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,479
Speaker 1: your darnedist and it was. It was incredible to watch,

614
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: and you taught me a lot about negotiating, So thank

615
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: you for that.

616
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 6: Oh you're welcome. One thing that was helpful in negotiating

617
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 6: is if you had a movie to negotiate, and if

618
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 6: it was a new person, they would always offer scale

619
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 6: plus ten. Yes, But if you two people that were

620
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 6: being considered for that movie, and one of them, like

621
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 6: I remember, Luke Edwards did a lot of movies, and

622
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 6: he got up to one hundred thousand a movie really fast.

623
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 6: So when I'd have two people and one of them

624
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 6: would be Luke, I would hold out for the brand

625
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 6: new one to get a hundred parson amazing.

626
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: Okay, So you'd hold out for the other person to

627
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: get one hundred thousand dollars.

628
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 6: Yes, And that was so helpful when one client, you know,

629
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 6: had a really high quote and I could have had

630
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 6: a good relationship with the producer or the casting director,

631
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 6: and then I'd say, look, you're paying this one this much.

632
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 6: You've got to pay this person. It's the job is

633
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 6: worth one hundred thousand dollars. And then I remember when

634
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 6: I had my first million dollars person that got a

635
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 6: million dollars, and I was.

636
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 1: Just could you tell us who it was?

637
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 6: Oh, yes, I can, but I can't remember. Then I

638
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 6: had other people after that, but this was well, Shyleen

639
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 6: Woodley got a million dollars on one movie and three

640
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 6: million on another one. But this is before that. It

641
00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 6: was it was a Disney and it was three movies,

642
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 6: and it was the singing and dancing.

643
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 3: One high school musical, High school.

644
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 6: Musical, Thank you Okay, you're not old and senile like

645
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 6: I am. They hired all these people and it was

646
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 6: such a big hit, and they paid them all like

647
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 6: thirty five thousand for the first one, and then for

648
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 6: the second one. I think we got five hundred thousand.

649
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 6: Right on the third one, we got it up to

650
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,959
Speaker 6: a million dollars and I couldn't believe it. I thought,

651
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 6: oh my god, I've struck gold.

652
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

653
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 4: Well, the second one, the Second High School Musical, I

654
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 4: think is still one of, if not the highest rated

655
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 4: cable movies of all time.

656
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 6: Yeah.

657
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 4: Right, so, yeah, that that franchise really sparked a lot

658
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 4: of careers.

659
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 3: And yeah, and they were making money off of.

660
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, not just the actor, the companies that

661
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 4: the company was making hundreds of millions of dollars off

662
00:38:58,560 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 4: the high school.

663
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 6: They showed it where I'm living. I went to see it,

664
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 6: and I thought, those kids got a million.

665
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 2: That's what I love when people hear about the big

666
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 2: famous negotiations that go down with like Seinfeld or friends,

667
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 2: you know, with these casts band together and they hold

668
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 2: out for tons of money and they always get it right.

669
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 2: And what you realize is if you, you know, and

670
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 2: people think like, oh my gosh, these actors make so

671
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 2: much money, think about how much the production is making.

672
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 2: If they're able to pay actors at that level, they're

673
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 2: making their printing money. So you have like it's not

674
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 2: like a regular trickle down situation. Most often actors are

675
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 2: being taken advantage of even though it's a great life. Absolutely,

676
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 2: And the truth about acting too is that you work

677
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 2: one year and then don't work for two or three.

678
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 2: So getting paid well for one job is supposed to

679
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 2: sustain you through seasons of auditioning. So you have to

680
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 2: think of it as not as like a yearly sound.

681
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 2: It's like a five year salary every time you get

682
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:02,919
Speaker 2: a job.

683
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:03,720
Speaker 3: That's true.

684
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 6: Well, I think the statistic I don't know what they

685
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 6: are now because I've been retired for five years, but

686
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:17,760
Speaker 6: I think the statistics were only one in one hundred

687
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:23,959
Speaker 6: actors make over one hundred thousand dollars a year consistently. Wow,

688
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 6: that's horrible odds.

689
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it really is. Well, that was one

690
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 3: of the things that Rider.

691
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 4: I remember you and I going into was it six

692
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 4: season or seven seasons? You and I we matched met,

693
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 4: we went favored nations and kind of just said, hey,

694
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 4: if we bond together, then you know, what are they

695
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 4: going to do?

696
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 3: Fire us both?

697
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 4: When we looked at each other and went, well, then

698
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 4: they'll fire us both, Like we were both like okay,

699
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 4: that's what they're going to do.

700
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 3: But there's a power in that.

701
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 4: There is a power, and you and I kind of

702
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 4: holding hands and going, all right, see what happens, right,

703
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 4: so and it worked.

704
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 6: And the problem with doing that with the cast that

705
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 6: started out unease even in their negotiations is you really

706
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 6: can't hold their feet to the fire when they started

707
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 6: at all different places.

708
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: Exactly. Do you remember meeting Writer in Shiloh for the

709
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: first time.

710
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 6: Oh? Yes, it was in San Francisco, and Diane and

711
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 6: I took a trip up there. Kelly Martin and her

712
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 6: mother went with us. Chad Allan, an old Chad Chad

713
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 6: and they were like big stars at the time. And

714
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 6: Diane and I were always doing silly things and Kelly,

715
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 6: it's so embarrassed. And anyway, we came to see a

716
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 6: Writer and Schila were studying with an man named Docott.

717
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 6: His Namestercott, and he had a class in San Francisco

718
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 6: and we came to see it, and Writer and Shilah

719
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 6: were just standouts. But there was another little girl on

720
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 6: that show and she had her own show eventually for

721
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 6: that day, Larissa, and she was in that class, but

722
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 6: she didn't have the star quality right away. I mean,

723
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 6: you guys have been doing films at home from the

724
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 6: time you were two and four Larisa. Uh. I think

725
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 6: it was probably your mother that told me about Laris.

726
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 6: And then I saw her and I said, oh, she's great,

727
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 6: she just needs a little training. And she right away

728
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 6: got Alex Mack. And that negotiation was with Nickelodeon, which

729
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 6: is also very low paying, and they offered her twenty

730
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 6: five hundred dollars an episode, and she had no quotes,

731
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 6: she'd never done anything. She didn't even have a commercial.

732
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 6: And so I tried and tried and tried and tried,

733
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 6: so finally the only way I could get around it

734
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 6: now numbers are different now than they were back then. Yeah,

735
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 6: And I said, okay, you could pay her twenty five

736
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,280
Speaker 6: hundred an episode, but you've got to do two episodes

737
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 6: in a week. So at least I got her five thousand.

738
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 1: A week, right, and for half the amount of time.

739
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, And well what happened is they couldn't do two

740
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 6: episodes in a week. They always had to there was

741
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 6: too much going on, you know how, there was too

742
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 6: much going on in the week. So she got paid

743
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 6: five thousand dollars a week, which I was trying to

744
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 6: get her in the beginning. Now, my kids worked, which

745
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 6: was like ten years before they would make like one

746
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 6: thousand and fifteen hundred two thousand on a show. Then

747
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 6: it changed so much in the ten years.

748
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: Well, we listed off before you came on, We listed

749
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 1: off so many incredible actors, just a small list of

750
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 1: some of the actors you had worked with. What would

751
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 1: you say a was maybe a common trait or ability

752
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 1: all of your clients had.

753
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 6: Well, I used to say, we all know what we're

754
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 6: looking for when we go to these conventions. Cute, short,

755
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 6: and talented, because in those days, if you're you want

756
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 6: somebody that has a great look, and you want them

757
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 6: small for their age, because they like six year olds

758
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 6: to play for and ten years supposed to play eight

759
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 6: on and on and on. But then you want them

760
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 6: to grow when they get to be teenagers and some

761
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 6: of the some of the ones. But but they also

762
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 6: you can tell when they're three years old if that

763
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 6: if it's if they've got it. Jodie Sweeten came into

764
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 6: my office when she was three years old. She read

765
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 6: like she was six and seven, and she was just

766
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 6: bubbling and sparkling, and I just knew she had it.

767
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 6: And the first week I had her, she got two

768
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 6: or three commercials and a series. She got full House.

769
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 6: She was supposed to be the breakout and turned out

770
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 6: to be the twins that they added that were the

771
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:54,399
Speaker 6: breakout on that you're not always right no matter how

772
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 6: long you're doing Diane and I found. We used to

773
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 6: go to New York to a convention every year for

774
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 6: twenty eight years. It was called the IMTA Convention International

775
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 6: Model and Talent and there were people that got actors

776
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 6: from all over the country and actually some from London

777
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 6: and Japan, models mostly, and they do this convention and

778
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 6: we would go there. They'd put us up in the

779
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 6: Hilton Hotel and they would pay for our meals and

780
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 6: our plane fare, and then we'd work for them all

781
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 6: day judging the talent, and then at night we'd go

782
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 6: to the theater. So we always looked forward to this,

783
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 6: but we found lots and lots of good talent there,

784
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 6: so it was well worth it for us, even though

785
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 6: we spent so much money on the theater that we

786
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 6: didn't make out.

787
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: Money was right, he make it out later, Yeah, with

788
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: the talent.

789
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 6: Well.

790
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: One of the actors we mentioned you worked with was

791
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: Emma Stone, who is now arguing the premier name in Hollywood,

792
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: able to pick whatever project she wants work with any

793
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 1: director she wants. I mean, she's primed to win maybe

794
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 1: a dozen Oscars in her lifetime. She's won two Academy

795
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: Awards I know, and probably will win ten more in

796
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: her lifetime.

797
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 6: And uh, did anybody see the movie that she did

798
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 6: this year, Poor Things?

799
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: I did not, but right now, oh my god.

800
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 6: It is so bizarre but so good, and she's naked

801
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 6: most of the way through it. But it's not it's

802
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 6: not lascivious.

803
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 3: It's just it's a remarkable done. It's remarkable, and then it.

804
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 2: Doesn't work unless you have somebody that can do that,

805
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 2: which is just she's incredible.

806
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:55,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, So when she walks in, do you see

807
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: that in her? Do you see her and just know

808
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,439
Speaker 1: right away, like that's going to be somebody who grows

809
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 1: up to win Oscars.

810
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 6: She'd win two Academy Awards, and she was amazing, and

811
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 6: I knew she'd work. But I mean, it's the talent

812
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 6: and the training, but it's all about the luck of

813
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 6: getting a certain project or a certain director falling in

814
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 6: love with you. The director that did Poor Things is

815
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 6: the same director she worked with the year before when

816
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 6: she got an Academy Award.

817
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 3: The favorite, the favorite.

818
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:41,879
Speaker 6: Yes, I need you around it as my brain. And

819
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 6: he fell in love with her, and so he used

820
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 6: her again for the night for his next movie. And

821
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 6: if you'll see there are certain actors like Leonardo DiCaprio

822
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 6: always worked with a certain director, and that part of

823
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 6: your career is just luck. You know, you can't predict that.

824
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: Absolutely no.

825
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 6: I met Leonardo when he was just a little boy,

826
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 6: I think seven or eight. My husband used to go

827
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 6: biicycle riding with Leo's father. They were very poor, and

828
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 6: he came in to see me, and I was so

829
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 6: excited because I thought, this kid is amazing. But then

830
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 6: he went to see Harry Gold and they showed him

831
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 6: pictures of the Gold Girls and the series they were on,

832
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 6: and so he decided to go with Harry Gold and

833
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,240
Speaker 6: he stayed there long. He then went to a bigger agent.

834
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: But was it competitive back then as an agent? Were

835
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: agents clywing to get each other's clients?

836
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 6: We were more friendly And I know when somebody that

837
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 6: I mean the almost all of the agents that handled

838
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 6: children and young adult else I was friends with. And

839
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 6: if it would be the next ladder up that tried

840
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 6: to steal your clients, all of us that were kind

841
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 6: of the same level. If somebody came in my office

842
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 6: and I knew it was a client of Harry Gold

843
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 6: or a client of I'm trying to think who was

844
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 6: really a Meredith.

845
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 3: And I would Irish Iris Burden or well.

846
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 6: Iris not so much. Iris was so mean spirited and

847
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 6: so mean to the kids. You know, there are all

848
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 6: kinds of stories of what she would do and say

849
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 6: to the kids, and I didn't like that. I mean,

850
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 6: I remember saying, if somebody has a baseball game, let

851
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 6: them go play baseball. I'm not going to be the agent.

852
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 6: I hope. I'm not going to be the agent that

853
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 6: when these kids are forty years old, they're on the

854
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 6: couch saying my agent made me do this, and I

855
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 6: didn't want to do it, and I didn't want to

856
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 6: disappoint her, so I would Krista Denton. I don't know

857
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 6: if you remember Krista. Krista is teaching now. She's got

858
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 6: three sons in college and she's teaching acting where she

859
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 6: lives up North. She was very religious, and sometimes she'd

860
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 6: be on because and she was such a good actress,

861
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 6: and sometimes she would be on a callback for a

862
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 6: movie and I'd say I'm sorry, she's at a religious

863
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 6: thing whatever it was, and they would wait for her.

864
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 6: They respected what she wanted to do. Some kids, I

865
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 6: would say, they're playing baseball and they wouldn't wait. It

866
00:51:59,280 --> 00:51:59,919
Speaker 6: would just depend.

867
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 1: Well, you now have grandkids. How many grandchildren do you have?

868
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 6: I only have three. Only I have Keaton, who is

869
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 6: thirty five thirty four, and he is working for an

870
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 6: advertising agency and he was a child actor for a

871
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:26,839
Speaker 6: little while and loved it, but his mother didn't want

872
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 6: to drive him on interviews. And then Trevin, who's just

873
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 6: adorable and who would have done very well, but she

874
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 6: didn't her mother. It was the same mother. She didn't

875
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 6: want to do it, and her mother wouldn't take her

876
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 6: on interviews. And I was too busy to drive him.

877
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Speaker 6: And then Michael, Tracy's son. Tracy was a news reporter

878
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Speaker 6: for thirty years and after being a child actor, and

879
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Speaker 6: she took a year off to get her master's degres

880
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 6: read and she got pictures, and she got some pictures

881
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 6: for Michael, and she said, send him out on a

882
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Speaker 6: few things and see what happens. Well, he was five.

883
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Speaker 6: He went on six interviews, he got six callbacks, he

884
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 6: got six commercials and they all ran for like three years,

885
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 6: and I don't know what she saved everything. It's at

886
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 6: least a couple hundred thousand dollars for college, maybe more.

887
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Speaker 6: And when he turned six, he started playing baseball, and

888
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 6: everybody in my office was so excited because this was

889
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,879
Speaker 6: a kid that was like six for six. So they

890
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 6: started sending him on movies and television and things that

891
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 6: he had to read, and he read like a six

892
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Speaker 6: year old. He didn't read like a ten year old,

893
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,720
Speaker 6: and so he'd always get a callback, but he wouldn't

894
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Speaker 6: get the park. So one day he called me and

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00:53:56,120 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 6: he goes Grandma Judy. I said yes, he said, I've

896
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Speaker 6: got a call back today. And I know that callbacks

897
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Speaker 6: I have to go on because it's a commitment. But

898
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Speaker 6: if I don't get this one, I want to quit.

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Speaker 6: And I said, oh why, and he said because they

900
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 6: don't pay me anything. Because he didn't know, and he said,

901
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 6: I hate driving to Santa Monica and he said, I

902
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 6: want to play baseball. He said, well, play baseball then,

903
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Speaker 6: and then he did. He went and played sport.

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Speaker 1: Well. When I discovered last night that you have a

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00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: grandson named Keaton, because Keaton is my youngest son's name.

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00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 6: Oh, and I love that name.

907
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Speaker 1: I do too, And I had never heard of another Keaton.

908
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: And you said your Keaton is thirty five. Mine is

909
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: turning three in August. Do you know where the inspiration

910
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 1: for the name Keaton came from for them?

911
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:05,959
Speaker 6: Yes, my uh daughter in law. Her background is Welsh

912
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 6: and it's a Welsh name, but I don't know what

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Speaker 6: it means.

914
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Speaker 1: It's like eagle something.

915
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 6: Two children, Treven and Keaton, and her name is Bronwin

916
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Speaker 6: and they're all Welsh names.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I about died when I saw last night,

918
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Speaker 1: and I looked up your grandkid's names, and I was like, kitten,

919
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Speaker 1: there's another Keating.

920
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Speaker 5: Mother Kitten, and I all know of one other Keaton

921
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Speaker 5: and he I represented his mother and his mother's sister

922
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Speaker 5: and she loved that name when she was a teenager.

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Speaker 6: And Mike Keaton's got red hair, and she has two

924
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Speaker 6: little children with red hair, so she named one of

925
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Speaker 6: them Keaton.

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Speaker 1: So cute. Have you ever? Have you ever gone on

927
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Speaker 1: to represent any of your former clients' children?

928
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Speaker 6: Not let me think. I don't think so well.

929
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Speaker 4: I was.

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Speaker 6: I ran the agency myself for forty five years and

931
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Speaker 6: not really that.

932
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Speaker 1: I can think if you had, if you were still

933
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Speaker 1: doing it, if you hadn't retired, you'd be representing Indy

934
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Speaker 1: and then that could have been the first time.

935
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Speaker 6: Oh I know. In fact, I was invited to a

936
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Speaker 6: party that Diane Harden's clients gave to her and Kelly Martin,

937
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,879
Speaker 6: Elizabeth Berkeley. I'm trying to think. There were about six

938
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 6: of them that were begging me to go back into business.

939
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 6: The six of them, they're all with adult agents, They're

940
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 6: all a lot of them are working. Kelly's directing. But

941
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Speaker 6: they said, we've never had an agent that we were

942
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 6: close to, and that works so hard for us.

943
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Speaker 1: Yes, I know it's changed. Wow, engaged you have. You

944
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 1: were absolutely somebody in my career that my family and

945
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Speaker 1: I and I know Writer as well, knew, without a

946
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: shadow of a doubt, had our backs and we felt

947
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 1: protected and we felt safe, and we knew we could

948
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: trust you. And you were just such a guiding light

949
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Speaker 1: in an industry that, like Writer mentioned, when you are

950
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: not from this area, when you don't have other family

951
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 1: in the entertainment industry, it just feels like you are

952
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: looking for anyone who knows what's going.

953
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 6: On, and no.

954
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 1: But it's true. It was you were definitely a person

955
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 1: and writer certainly spread the word. You know, writer was

956
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 1: one of those people saying, listen, there's nobody better. This

957
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: is the person you should be with and.

958
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 2: Know, and Judy, I mean I to be you know,

959
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 2: follow up on something that you said earlier too about

960
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 2: you know, supporting the kid as a kid as a

961
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 2: whole person. For me, I remember, I wrote my first

962
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 2: screenplay when I was fifteen, and I think, you know,

963
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 2: being being a tough, great agent and representing is one thing,

964
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 2: but you took my script, went and got coverage done

965
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 2: for it, and supported me as this you know, flailing

966
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 2: young screenwriter, and you continued to bring it up to me.

967
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 2: I remember when I was twenty and I was, you know,

968
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 2: Goame's world was ending and I wanted to go to

969
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 2: New York to go to college. You were like, yeah,

970
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 2: go you got your writing, you got other things. This

971
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 2: isn't you know, I'll be here, And it was That

972
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 2: was so amazing because I think in any other I

973
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 2: just I just feel like there's for somebody to be

974
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 2: as good and as tough for their clients as you were.

975
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 2: But then on the flip side to also be understanding

976
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 2: and supportive of them as a whole person. Like I

977
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:50,959
Speaker 2: just can't thank you enough.

978
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 6: Well, thank you, Writer. But you know what, I loved

979
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 6: you guys. I loved all of you. I loved your families.

980
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 6: We took a trip to My husband and I and

981
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 6: Diane and Jerry Harden took a trip to it a

982
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 6: little together.

983
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he.

984
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 6: Stayed in a castle for the time, and we stayed

985
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 6: in a like two thousand year old farm house. The castle.

986
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 6: They brought every afternoon a bus full of strange a

987
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 6: bust full of tourists, and they'd wander around the outside. Well,

988
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 6: Writer's father's name is King, his middle name is Arthur.

989
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 6: So here we are in a castle and the tourists

990
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 6: are walking around and we're going King, King Arthur. And

991
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 6: of course everybody thought they're they're just putting us on,

992
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 6: but we were really looking for King. It was true.

993
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 1: Well, Judy, I have one last question for you. You

994
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: mentioned you are now retired after forty five years of

995
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 1: running your very own agency, which was a premier destination

996
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: for kids hoping to make their dreams come true, and

997
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 1: you helped make so many of those kids dreams of reality.

998
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 1: What would you say, looking back is the thing you

999
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 1: are most proud of my.

1000
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,919
Speaker 6: Own three children and what they've done and what they've become. Oh,

1001
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 6: I'm I'm just proud of my whole life and all

1002
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 6: of the children I knew, and all the connections I

1003
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 6: have had and still have with my ex clients and

1004
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 6: getting to know about them, their weddings and their children

1005
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 6: and everything about them. I love you, guys, We love you.

1006
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being here and spending your

1007
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 1: very valuable time with us. It was so great to

1008
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 1: see your face and really a pleasure to have you.

1009
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 1: We hope to see you soon. By Judy, absolutely, Oh,

1010
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 1: I got so emotional. She said her own three children,

1011
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 1: and I was like, imagine imagined having that kind of

1012
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 1: I mean, there are teachers, of course who know that

1013
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: feeling so well, but in the entertainment we have teachers

1014
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 1: in the entertainment industry. But you know, imagine the amount

1015
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 1: of lives she positively impacted doing what she did. And

1016
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 1: I think of every other agent I've ever had, and

1017
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 1: other than my current manager, Stan, who I also have

1018
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 1: a very good relationship with, personally, I have never had

1019
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 1: an agent that made me feel as like she was

1020
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 1: a member of it. She was truly the head of

1021
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,439
Speaker 1: a team that was there to protect me. Yes, never

1022
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 1: have I had that, Yeah, No.

1023
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 2: And also personal understanding, like you know, it's it's such

1024
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 2: a rare thing. And you know, when you think about it,

1025
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 2: actors are vulnerable, but children are the most vulnerable, and

1026
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 2: you need somebody to stand up for you. And hopefully

1027
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 2: that person isn't just a business person, because they're just

1028
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 2: about business, they're not going to have the heart. And

1029
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 2: so she was the perfect combination. And you know, she

1030
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 2: was so tough in the business side of things, but

1031
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 2: she also just understood us as humans and families and

1032
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 2: cared most about that. And that's you know, that's something

1033
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 2: that's really hard, especially in the corporate agent. You know,

1034
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 2: agencies are so huge and so powerful these days.

1035
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 3: I don't know what it's really like for kids.

1036
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 2: It's got to be difficult.

1037
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it was great to see her. Thank you

1038
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 1: all for joining us for this episode of Pod Meets World.

1039
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 1: As always, you can follow us on Instagram pod meets

1040
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,439
Speaker 1: World Show. You can send us your emails pod meets

1041
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 1: World Show at gmail dot com. And we have merch

1042
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: I'm still here, merch will It was just quiet for

1043
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 1: most of that, I just.

1044
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Speaker 4: Wanted to I don't know Judy, and I wanted to

1045
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 4: hear you know, you guys have such a relationship with her,

1046
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 4: and it was just nice to sit back and be entertained.

1047
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Speaker 1: She's also such a great storyteller.

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01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm and she's sharp.

1049
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 1: As attack Nash. I hope I have even a fraction

1050
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 1: of that. You don't have that now, I know you're right.

1051
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 1: Thank you, will, I love you, writer, send us out.

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01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 3: We love you all. Pod dismissed.

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