1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I have Gary Shopley 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: with me today. He is a longtime IRS employee and 3 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: also a word that you probably have heard before. He's 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: a whistleblower. He came forward after watching the Biden DOJ 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:19,240 Speaker 1: allow Hunter Biden to skate on his serious tax charges. Gary, 6 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining me today. 7 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for having me to appreciate. 8 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: It absolutely so. I've read some of your op eds 9 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: that you've put out there, and I just want to 10 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: say we appreciate the fact that you were willing to 11 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: step forward because you should be protected. You should be 12 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: able to come out and say, hey, there is a 13 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:39,599 Speaker 1: citizen who hasn't done what citizens are meant to do 14 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: and it needs to be reviewed. But you've been You've 15 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: been attacked over this, You've been sued over this. Tell 16 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: us a little bit about what it's like when the 17 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: DOJ doesn't have your back like they're supposed to. 18 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been you know, I wouldn't change the thing 19 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 2: to start everything. I start the whole conversation. You know, 20 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 2: when someone sees something wrong like this, you got to 21 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 2: step forward. And when people will say that the words 22 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 2: choose your battles. Every time someone says that kind of 23 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 2: tears away from the integrity a little bitter. So this 24 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 2: was a that I just I didn't know. It wasn't 25 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:12,559 Speaker 2: a choice to choose. I just had to go forward 26 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 2: to do it and coming forward. And I think that 27 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 2: all the all the things that be so far with 28 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 2: the until Hunter byen off with with almost no uh 29 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,199 Speaker 2: no charges and then the two missing the plea deal 30 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 2: and then all the way through a guilty verdict trial 31 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 2: and then a guilty plead in California, really proved that 32 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 2: that that Josie Learning were right coming forward and it's 33 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 2: been just just horrible the way that you see within 34 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 2: the they know that they were in the wrong. They 35 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 2: know that it wouldn't have been to the American people 36 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 2: if we hadn't come forward, and see his attempting to 37 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 2: protect itself and and that means destroying Josie MM. 38 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: Do you think that this was something that Hunter Biden 39 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: did because he felt that he was protected since his 40 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: father was vice President of the United States and now 41 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: President of the United States, was a privileged situation where 42 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: like I can do whatever I want or do you 43 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: buy into the story of you know, he had this 44 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 1: addiction and he just didn't realize what was happening. 45 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 2: Well, the story about addiction and stuff, it's really difficult 46 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 2: to talk about, right because people who are addicted to things, 47 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 2: I mean, it's really a big definitely is given to them. 48 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 2: That's the narrative that's given White House the legal team 49 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 2: basic for these charges in California, we're tax times ammitted 50 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,799 Speaker 2: returns while so you know, he admitted himself in the 51 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 2: book that he was sober and once admitted that he's sober, 52 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 2: taking pre that he's been sober for a few years now. 53 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 2: But what they're the business issue was the language and 54 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 2: the from President Biden was just really just was completely 55 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 2: false and I was trying to build a name so 56 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 2: you know that wasn't guilty of these times which he 57 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 2: admitted himself he was. 58 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: And I think that this goes to the honesty of 59 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: Joe Biden in a big way. And I think a 60 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: lot of people are forgiving it now because they go, oh, 61 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: you know, he's going to be out of office and 62 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: he's so old, and I think the bigger concern here 63 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: is he's set a new president and that's something that 64 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: we have to be overly aware of. When you are 65 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: a career politician. He's in the Senate for all those years. 66 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: He had connections in the Senate. He became vice president, 67 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: but then when he became president. I mean, and think 68 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: about it, when he was vice president. Right after he 69 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: was vice president, Donald Trump comes in and says, was 70 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: there anything sketchy that happened in Ukraine? And he gets impeached, 71 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: But Joe Biden never gets looked at it. He skates 72 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: and then have you guys step forward and people start 73 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: to say, there's no way to hide this situation with 74 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden. He was getting a massive amount of money, 75 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: wasn't paying as taxes, You've got this laptop. This all 76 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: comes together and Joe Biden says, I'm not going to 77 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: pardon him. Now. Joe Biden is a notorious liar. He's 78 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 1: lied his entire career. He's like when you look up politician, 79 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: lying politician in the dictionary, Joe Biden's pictures there. Right, 80 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,119 Speaker 1: he couldn't even run for president twice because they said 81 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: he was a plagiarizer and he was a liar. Right, 82 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: we know that this is his history, but there are 83 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: what people call little white lies, and then there are 84 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: very dangerous lies. And to me, this is a very 85 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 1: dangerous lie because he said he wasn't going to pardon him. 86 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: My son is so smart, He's only done these great 87 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: business dealings. I've never been involved in his business dealings. 88 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: But then he does this eleven year pardon that covers everything, 89 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: and you have to question whether or not this is 90 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: going to be a precedent set by future presidents who 91 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: will have their children make massive amounts of money off 92 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 1: of their father or their mother being the president of 93 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 1: the United States and being able to wipe all of 94 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: their sins clean. 95 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. So sitting here doesn't really make me feel overally 96 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 2: comfortable to be able to say that the president, well, 97 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 2: this is not perspective which political ideology, someone was told 98 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 2: the truth, white little white lie or whatever. I mean. 99 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 2: When when you sit there and in the president of 100 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 2: States and tell everyone knew it wasn't true, but you're 101 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 2: not going to pardon your son, and then you go 102 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 2: ahead and partner your son, it should be paused for 103 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 2: every American citizen to just question everything within this bureaucracy 104 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 2: that was created under Biden's reign and going back to 105 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 2: Ukraine real quick. So I mean, yeah, President Trump was 106 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 2: impeached by the House for asking the Ukrainian officials who 107 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:02,799 Speaker 2: investigate Biden and his activities in Ukraine. He was absolutely 108 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 2: right in doing so, and he knew that the Department 109 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 2: of Justice couldn't investigate that without bias. And we are 110 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,919 Speaker 2: sitting right here. We know what We had the opportunity 111 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 2: to investigate what happened in Ukraine, and we know that 112 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 2: DJ didn't allow us to fully investigate it. If if 113 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 2: that was known, you know, and President Trump asked Ukraine 114 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 2: to investcating. Really he's asking a third party. It should 115 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 2: be unbiased or more more less biased than DOJ is 116 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 2: to investigate what happened in Ukraine. With the bidens, likely 117 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 2: would have found what happened because DJ had a crap. 118 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 2: They didn't let us do it. So it's really amazing. 119 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 2: Maybe DJ didn't let us investigate it fully because it 120 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 2: would have come back. Oh, so you just teached President 121 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 2: Trump for asking for a thorough investigation of we what 122 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 2: we just proved was was conduct that was inappropriate in Ukraine. 123 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 2: So it's quite an interesting dynamic. 124 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 125 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon podcast. Well, I think it's also interesting 126 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: because it was early on in his presidency obviously that 127 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: this happened, and they all accused him of wanting to 128 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: investigate his political opponent. And at that time, I don't 129 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: think anybody had had the contenders that would come out 130 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: for twenty twenty come out, and everybody knew that Joe 131 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: Biden had been pushed aside and told it's Hillary's turn, 132 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: is not your turn, You're not going to run. So 133 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: there is nobody on the Republican side or on Donald 134 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: Trump's side that would have said, oh, he's absolutely going 135 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: to be the nominee four years from now. However, for 136 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: some reason, Democrats seem to know that, and that to me, 137 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: I think there's a few things that are uncovered here. 138 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: They have already chosen, and if you look at it, 139 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: if you look at what's happened politically, there is not 140 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: I mean, Bernie Sanders gets kicked to the side, or 141 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: Joe Biden gets kicked to the side, they kind of 142 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: choose who they're going to have. And then when Joe 143 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: Biden was running, everybody else just kind of bowed out 144 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: gracefully and came up with the story of like, oh, yeah, 145 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: I've decided I'm going to step out of the race, 146 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: but it was pretty clear that that was already decided. 147 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:20,119 Speaker 1: They already knew they had chosen Joe Biden, but they also, 148 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: I believe, knew at that time that something had gone 149 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: on with Joe Biden and they were covering. Now, why 150 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: is everybody so afraid of an investigation into the family 151 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: member of a politician? Because if a family member, I 152 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: think that's where we feel like we have the most vulnerability. 153 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,599 Speaker 1: And that's why we're always very careful with our politicians 154 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: and where they are and who they're with, and we 155 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: have so many rules around disclosure and finding out what 156 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: their financials are, and you hear all about stocks and 157 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: all of this all the time because we're trying to 158 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: make sure that nobody is using their political influence for 159 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: personal gain. Do you think that there is a way 160 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: to bring this DOJ back to an unbiased bureaucracy that 161 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: actually is functioning as an investigative wing of the government. 162 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm very optimistic hearing with what the DOGE 163 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 2: is is planning to do talking about the BERRAXY, Right, 164 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 2: the bureaucracy's biggest enemy is transparency and accountability, Right, That's 165 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 2: why they don't let some of these career DOJ officials 166 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 2: testify in front of Congress because they're protecting that bureaucracy, so, 167 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 2: you know, moving dealing with DOJ and seeing the decisions 168 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,079 Speaker 2: that they make every day. On a case that they 169 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 2: had the opportunity to show that they weren't biased and 170 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 2: that they could do a thorough, you know, investigation of 171 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 2: someone that happens to be connected politically, would have been 172 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 2: a perfect, perfect opportunity for them to prove that they're 173 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 2: not biased or it's not this political bias and not 174 00:09:55,840 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 2: the weaponization, it's not law for lawfare. And they completely 175 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 2: he failed, They completely failed. Merrick Garland went in front 176 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 2: of the American people, the Attorney General of the United States, 177 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 2: and he told him that David Weiss had full authority. 178 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 2: It was completely false. David Weiss's own testimony in front 179 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 2: of the Congress admitted that he had to go through 180 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 2: to Biden appointed US attorneys in d C in California. 181 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 2: And then if David Weiss had full authority to make 182 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 2: all the decisions, why did he need to make him 183 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 2: special counsel? Right, these are the building blocks in what 184 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 2: actually happened. In my opinion that DJ is weaponized against 185 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:42,479 Speaker 2: the Republican Party, and if you know, the new administration 186 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 2: comes in and really looks at it and dissects it 187 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 2: from people who know people who aren't products of the bureaucracy. Right. 188 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 2: I think that we have a chance to turning it around, 189 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 2: but it's going to take for a lot of work. 190 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: You said you always believed that he would pardon his son, 191 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: but were you expecting the wide ranging pardon of eleven years, 192 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: sparing him from sentencing in court cases where he's already 193 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: found guilty All of this, I mean, it goes back 194 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 1: to his taxes, but it covers everything, and it honestly 195 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: covers the rest of Joe Biden's family too, I believe, 196 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: because if you can't investigate Hunter, you can't make the 197 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: connection to the others. 198 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 2: It's not surprising to me, knowing what I know what 199 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 2: happened since January first, twenty fourteen, and the Biden family, 200 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 2: it does not surprise me that he premptively pardoned him 201 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 2: for all of that. 202 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: What do you mean when you say knowing what you know? 203 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 2: Well, with the information we brought forward pertaining to Ukraine, 204 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 2: Romano and China of going back to Barisma, Whenisma. You know, 205 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 2: even in DJ finds they even admitted that that was 206 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:02,359 Speaker 2: attempting to affect the US policy. Yet in the investigation 207 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 2: of you know, Pharah, we just weren't allowed to go 208 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 2: there whenever it got close to Joe or you know, 209 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 2: close to to proving some of these things. And you know, 210 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 2: we got the we got the hand up, and they 211 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 2: didn't allow us to take those investigative steps. But you know, 212 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 2: it's hard to put all the pieces together as an investigator. 213 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 2: You know, we have all this evidence, and it's just 214 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:25,839 Speaker 2: a mountain of evidence, right, and we expect to put 215 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 2: it out there and not come up, not provide conclusions, 216 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 2: but just provide the facts. But there's just so much 217 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 2: information out there to put the backs together. But to 218 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 2: conclude anything other than than than you know, these governments 219 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 2: were paying Hunter Biden for access to administration would be 220 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 2: completely false. That's what it was. That's what it was. 221 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 2: That's what it was for. And and everyone really knows 222 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 2: it now if they look at the documents, even d 223 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 2: J file. 224 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: So you said yourself that it's not something that you 225 00:12:58,120 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: go out and you you say, I want to go 226 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: fight this battle. I'm not out there just looking for 227 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: hills to die on. But in this case, you see 228 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: something wrong and it's your duty. I mean, this is 229 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,439 Speaker 1: your job to come out and say, hey, this is 230 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 1: there's something fishy going on. This is not acceptable. It 231 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:18,079 Speaker 1: needs to be reviewed. You are viciously attacked. Where does 232 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: that stand today? 233 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,199 Speaker 2: Yeah? Still I'm still retaliated against by my agency and 234 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 2: the Office Special Council is the federal agency, the skates retaliation, 235 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 2: and we have several complaints in with them, and it's 236 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 2: taken you know, almost two years now for them to 237 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 2: not even come up with conclusions. Yet, you know, the 238 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 2: retaliation is affected, right, Like my whole career has been affected. 239 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 2: The way the agency knows what are prohibitive personnel practices, 240 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 2: which is what has to be proved to prove there's retaliation. 241 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 2: They know what they are. They're like decreased the evaluation scores. 242 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 2: You know, it didn't get a promotion, got moved to 243 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 2: some you know, Deluth, Minnesota, you know where it's nice 244 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 2: and warm these times a year. But like they know 245 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 2: what these these prohibitive personnel practices are. So they're doing 246 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 2: everything they can outside of it, right to try to 247 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 2: to try to you know, say that they're not retaliating. 248 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 2: I've applied for multiple jobs that I've already attained that 249 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 2: level previously competitively, and I applied for these jobs and 250 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 2: they say I'm not eligible or they or don't for 251 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 2: them all because they know that my tenure is coming up. 252 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 2: And so you know, I have a tenure of seven years, 253 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 2: so that tenures coming up, and they know that they 254 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 2: kneel on the football and deny me any promotion potential 255 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 2: that I'm going to be demoted, and you know, they 256 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 2: sent out the tenure letter that said either choose to 257 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 2: be demoted or resign. It's unbelievable that professional individuals in 258 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 2: any capacity would send out a letter to a great 259 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 2: employee who's attained a leader ship levels and above, they 260 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 2: send out a letter that literally says, would you like 261 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 2: to resign? Wow? 262 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: And you've said, you've said you've even had senior leaders 263 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: who don't speak to you over this. I mean, what 264 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: is that We think of this as like, oh gosh, 265 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: this is so immature, but it goes so much deeper 266 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: than that, because this means that, like I said, I 267 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: just have to lay this out again. If you are 268 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: the president of the United States and you use your 269 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: government to silence people, to shut people up when they 270 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: speak against you. And you have used your son, and 271 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: I think that you have to say Joe Biden was 272 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: a willing participant in this scheme of selling access because 273 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: his son was getting a massive amount of money, His brother, 274 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: his grandchildren, everyone in the family was profiting off of this. 275 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: When you have such control, when one part already has 276 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: such control over the unelected bureaucracy of Washington, d C. 277 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: That they can actually go under go after an employee 278 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: who is doing the right thing. Someone who says I 279 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: saw something wrong and I'm going to blow the whistle 280 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: on it and try to intimidate you until you leave. 281 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: What does that say? Can Donald Trump actually root this 282 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: out and get this out of the system. 283 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 2: Like I said, I'm optimistic, I'm I'm hoping to be 284 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 2: a part of it. We went into the Department of 285 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 2: treasurer in Djal. These places experience and you need to 286 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 2: be able to know the exact fault lines and where 287 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 2: to go and where to use a style pold that 288 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 2: comput these career bureau parents and you know, I call 289 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 2: them their products of the bureaucracy. There are people that 290 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 2: would not be where they are if it wasn't for 291 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 2: a bureaucracy promoting just yes men and yes women and 292 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 2: people that are willing to just use one voice in 293 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 2: a way where they just provide the echo chamber for 294 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 2: their leadership. And you know, going to the whistleblower label, 295 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,479 Speaker 2: you know, we have to protect whistleblowers, all whistleblowers. But 296 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 2: the problem is is that when a whistleblower comes forward, 297 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 2: and I didn't come forward in a partisan manner like 298 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 2: this was just what was in front of me. This 299 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 2: is what I was in charge of, and it wasn't 300 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 2: right what happened. So I came forward and I knew 301 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 2: I was going to be politically attacked. It seems as 302 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 2: though the whistleblowers that come forward that whether partisan or not, 303 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 2: that provide information that helps for hurts, you know, a 304 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 2: political party. When it's good for the Democrats, you know, 305 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 2: it's those whistleblowers are protected, held up on high and 306 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 2: but now when it comes to Joe Ziegler and we're 307 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,959 Speaker 2: being destroyed, the Office of Special Council in charge of 308 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 2: deciding whether there was retaliation, President Biden put a law 309 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 2: partner from Boyce Schiller, former partner of Hunter Biden in 310 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 2: charge of that agency. How is Hunter a former partner 311 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 2: in a law firm when Hunter Biden is in charge 312 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 2: of the Office of Special Council and he's recused himself, 313 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 2: you know, in terms of this because he knows the 314 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 2: conflict that exists. But in a bureaucracy, that recusal is not. 315 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: No one's right. No one's recusing themselves in that situation. 316 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 1: So were you in d C when you came out 317 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 1: and said this is what you'd seen? 318 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 2: What do you mean like my post of duty? 319 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: I'm saying, yes, yeah, was that where you were located? 320 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 2: Yeah? So I'm the supervisor of International Test Group and 321 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 2: agency all across the country, but in the d C 322 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 2: field office and a local in the DC summer. 323 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 1: And you still are there. They haven't moved you out 324 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: of there or they did. 325 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 2: Well, no, I'm still here. But they're trying to, you know, 326 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:58,360 Speaker 2: limit promotion potential so that they can tenure me out 327 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 2: and I get to reside or have they step demotive. 328 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 2: So it's really it's really difficult to swallow. They know 329 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 2: what they're doing. They're smothering, smothering Josie Gler. 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Do 361 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: you think that some of this is built up over 362 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: years of creating new government and almost hidden within those 363 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: layers of government the corruption that goes on, because I 364 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 1: mean I even see this in this on the state level. 365 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 1: You have a governor who comes in and now suddenly 366 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 1: we have an extra Department of ed where all of 367 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: this money is going through this Department of ED. And 368 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: then it's like the department where it takes the governor 369 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: to other countries and she's going out and in recruiting 370 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: new business. And I use air quotes because no new 371 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 1: business ever comes. But suddenly the state of Michigan has 372 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,199 Speaker 1: their own office in Taiwan, and it's like, who is 373 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,360 Speaker 1: paying for all this and where? What is how does 374 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 1: all of this happen? Do you believe that over time, 375 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: creating bigger and bigger government has caused this problem? Because honestly, 376 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: that's what we see Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswami going 377 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: in and saying, we're going to cut back on these 378 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: layers of government. And I believe that once you cut 379 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: back on the layers of government, you're going to expose 380 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: a lot of dirty stuff that's hidden there. But once 381 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 1: it's built, but it's very hard to cut back. 382 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, a bureaucracy is a living sentient being protects itself 383 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 2: just just instinctually. And you see all the time when 384 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 2: you know, someone will come in with a report that 385 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 2: the federal government did something wrong, this agency did something wrong. 386 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 2: What's the response, More money, more people, more training, every 387 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 2: single time, every single time. So it bloats that bureaucracy, 388 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 2: and there's never a check to that to say, you know, 389 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 2: when when someone when an agency says, like you know, 390 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 2: someone says you did something wrong here, they just say, yes, 391 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 2: we did something wrong. You never hear, Okay, we're going 392 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 2: to remove this level, or we're going to we're going 393 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 2: to going to be more concise in our hiring. I mean, 394 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 2: our agency IRS Criminal Investigation publicly says that thirty percent 395 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 2: of the people do seventy percent of the week work. 396 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:54,239 Speaker 1: That's crazy, I mean, but I think that's true in 397 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:58,360 Speaker 1: most cases. But still when you look at what does 398 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: that say about supervision, what does I'd say about I 399 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: believe that these folks. I mean, it's like the Fauci situation, 400 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 1: where you get a certain amount of funding and you're 401 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,439 Speaker 1: not going to cut anything because you want to be 402 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: able to continue to get that funding. You're not going 403 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: to expose anything because if you expose something, you might 404 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: not get the funding. I think funding creates a lot 405 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: of this problem too. I mean, you know that we 406 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 1: had scientists who weren't willing to come out and speak 407 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: against him because they were afraid that the funding would stop. 408 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,199 Speaker 1: I think it's similar in these other agencies where it's like, well, 409 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: if we pair back or if we try to be 410 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: more efficient, we won't get the funding, so it's easier 411 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 1: to make it less efficient to make more and then 412 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 1: we have this cushion and that becomes I believe the 413 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: place where these these craters and these hidden corners are 414 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 1: where corruption occurs. 415 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's really all people become so because they're 416 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 2: coming off through the ranks and then see things like that, 417 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 2: see things like, well, if we don't spend this punt 418 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 2: of money going to be gone next year and then 419 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 2: they won't give it back, you know, So we're going 420 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 2: to spend it. We're going to spend it, you know. 421 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 2: And then when you get in the echo chambers within 422 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 2: the senior leadership of these agencies, they're just telling each 423 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 2: other how great they are, the title that they that 424 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 2: they're deserving, when the reality is is that a vast 425 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 2: majority of the senior leadership in my agency is not 426 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 2: make some performs you know, who's who's willing to be mobile, 427 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 2: who's you know, who fits some demographic And it's just 428 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 2: it's really come to the tipping point to where we 429 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 2: spend a vast percentage of our time kind of administrative 430 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 2: Europe items. H It's very little mission focused. And that's 431 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 2: where I tend to want to spend all my time 432 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 2: on the mission. I mean, we joke it, we say 433 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:53,719 Speaker 2: ABC anything but cases the agency. So all these goods, 434 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 2: all these administrative people, all these people. Ah, they're always 435 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 2: interested in doing all these projects that don't actually end 436 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 2: up materially positively affecting our mission. And then there's people 437 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 2: like me. I don't want to do any of that stuff, right, Like, 438 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 2: I just want to work on cases and moving the 439 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 2: cases forward. And that's what the American people, you know, 440 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 2: expect of us. So I'm optimistic. I'm incredibly optimistic of 441 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 2: the Department of Government efficiency, the administration's emphasis on reducing 442 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 2: the bureaucracy, and I just hope to be a tool 443 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 2: to help it happen, because I've been fighting this bureaucracy 444 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 2: from inside for fifteen years. 445 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 1: Well, obviously now nothing can happen with the Hunter Biden stuff. 446 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: He's got this cloud of protection over him. He's under 447 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 1: the veils. He can't be investigated. If that weren't the case, 448 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 1: if Joe Biden hadn't pardoned him, if there was the 449 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: availability of going in and figuring this out, what should 450 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: the American public know about Hunter Biden? How dangerous this 451 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: is of a precedent to set for presidents and their family. 452 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,199 Speaker 2: Well, ultimately, if hunter Biden was sentenced, the judge in 453 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 2: those cases would have used the sentence and guide lines 454 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 2: and they would have come up with an acceptable sentence 455 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,479 Speaker 2: for him. That's not for me to say. But the 456 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 2: danger here and why this is still important is because 457 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 2: of what you know, the boys and the weaponization of 458 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 2: the Department of Justice, the FBI, and the IRS. That's 459 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 2: why we need to we need to shift focus and 460 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 2: hold these people accountable. Because when you say, like, well, 461 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 2: how are we going to attack the bureaucracy, that's how 462 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 2: you attack it. First, you'd be transparent. That's what we did, 463 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,719 Speaker 2: following the laws bringing it to Congress, it became public. 464 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 2: If the information on Hunter Biden case didn't didn't go 465 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 2: to Congress and they didn't vote to release it and 466 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 2: they got out in the public. The Department of Justice 467 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 2: they even did try to take these steps, they would 468 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 2: have not charged him. They would have gotten rid of 469 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 2: it with a two misdemeanor plead deal. The American public 470 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 2: would have never seen what happened. I mean, a jury 471 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 2: of his peers in Delaware convicted him of the gun 472 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 2: gun violations. Yet the President the United States said in 473 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 2: a statement that no reasonable people would agree that this 474 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 2: wasn't lawfair. He said that when he knew it of 475 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 2: the jury of their peers listened to all the evidence. 476 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 2: I found this sound guilty, basically saying that the jurors 477 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,640 Speaker 2: weren't reasonable or the justice system is not reasonable. Look, 478 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 2: when it fits their narrative, you know they're going to 479 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 2: push it. Unfortunately this administration. So I think that we 480 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 2: were optimistic moving forward. 481 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: So do you think this is actually shocked maybe shocked 482 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 1: the American people after they saw what happened with Donald 483 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: Trump and all the cases against him, and the cases 484 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: in New York, the cases in George, or the cases 485 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: in DC, and people kept saying, what this stuff is blogoney, 486 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: this is lawfair, This is going after your political opponent. 487 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: But then the contrast of Hunter Biden having really done 488 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: stuff and the Democrats saying, oh, look the other way, 489 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: Joe Biden comes out and pardons him. But it's not 490 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: just that Joe Biden comes out and pardons him. I 491 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: have to say, it's the leftist media who was, oh, 492 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: Donald Trump's so dangerous, so scary. There's no one above 493 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: the law. How many times did we hear that statement 494 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,160 Speaker 1: there is no one above the law. But now it's 495 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,679 Speaker 1: swept under the rug. Do you think that the next 496 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: because I feel like for so many years now, we 497 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: as Republicans have felt like anybody who runs is going 498 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 1: to have all this baloney made up about them, They're 499 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 1: going to have to go through court cases. Do you 500 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: think this has scared the American people enough to say, 501 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: we won't buy into this. We're not going to be 502 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: manipulated by this story that you have to prosecute every 503 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 1: political opponent you have. 504 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 2: Well, I hope it did. Then the risk and during 505 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:43,719 Speaker 2: all Josie Glar during It's All Worth shine light on 506 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 2: what happened. We needed a transparency to this bureaucracy. And 507 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 2: when you look at the weaponization right, like, it seems 508 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 2: clear that it was law fair. It was a web 509 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 2: position of dj and to go after you know, you know, 510 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 2: President Trump and some other Republican and you know, but 511 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 2: what we have here, like can people say, oh, well, 512 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 2: that's my opinion one way or the other. Right, what 513 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 2: you have here is you have the Department of Justice, 514 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 2: clearly by their own actions initially and then in the 515 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 2: middle and then at the end brus that they were 516 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 2: trying to cover up the Hunter Biden case, they were 517 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 2: trying to not charge him. I mean there are memos 518 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 2: on May fifteen, twenty twenty three, offering to for prosecution agreement, 519 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 2: which mean he would have been charged at all. And 520 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 2: then if you look at the timing in May twenty 521 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 2: twenty three, I'm coming forward to testify and all of 522 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 2: a sudden, David Weiss and Delaware says, oh, we have 523 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 2: to have him a too misdemeanor plea deal. If that 524 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 2: plea deal had gone through, then dj would be sitting 525 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 2: here right now being like like some of the Democrats 526 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 2: on the Hill did, where it's just your opinion he 527 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,479 Speaker 2: should have been charged. You know, David Weiss is following 528 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 2: the facts in the law. Well, David Weiss told Congress 529 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 2: he's following the facts in the law. That's why the 530 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 2: two misdemeanor plea deal. So what happened when that plea 531 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 2: deal fell through and now they indict on the gun 532 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 2: charge and on the tech. Did the facts or the 533 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 2: law change? No, they didn't. The only thing that change 534 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 2: is that is that transparency was added to this process 535 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 2: so they couldn't tie it anymore. And it is absolutely 536 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 2: unequivocal proof the Department of Justice was weaponized against one 537 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 2: political party. 538 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: Well, I just want to say thank you, because we 539 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: wouldn't know most of this had you not stepped forward. 540 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: And I know how hard that is. I know how 541 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: hard it is to go into this arena and try 542 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: to fight. I mean, we've watched it on so many 543 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: different levels. Now, we've watched your case, we've watched Donald Trump, 544 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: we've watched Daniel Penny, we've watched all of these people 545 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 1: go after innocence, innocens that have done the right thing 546 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: for the country. So Gary Shapley, thank you so much 547 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,239 Speaker 1: for doing what you've done and standing up for all 548 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 1: of us. 549 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Good for great. 550 00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: The thanks, and thank you all for joining us on 551 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon Podcasts. For this episode and others. 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