1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I know all this stuff. 2 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: Never told you a protection of my Heart Radio. 3 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 2: And welcome to another happy hour where I talk about things. 4 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: I'm still excited, That's all I got. I have no 5 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: idea what it is. 6 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 2: I'm excited to see what you know. And I'm also 7 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 2: excited to hear from our listeners because i know you 8 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 2: all will have opinions on this. But before we start, 9 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 2: this is a happy hour. If you do any of 10 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 2: the happy hour things, do so responsibly. Annie, are you 11 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 2: doing anything responsibly? 12 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: I am. We're recording pretty late right now this dinner time. 13 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: I am still working on some of the wine my 14 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: mom gave me for my birthday and for Christmas she 15 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: gives me. She gives me bottles of wine. 16 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, yeah, nice enjoying that. Well, I'm sticking 17 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 2: to my diet doctor pepper or crime soda or zero. 18 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 2: That is one of my favorites. Right now, giving me 19 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 2: a little bit of pep because we have been recording 20 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 2: for a minute, and we were going in late and 21 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: I woke up early because I went to bed early 22 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 2: last night. Anny, Oh yeah, like nine thirty. It was surprising, 23 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 2: like the entire household my partner and my dog and 24 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 2: I went to bed that early, fell asleep. It was 25 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 2: odd all of that to say yes. So we are 26 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 2: not currently sponsored by anything, including what I'm about to 27 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 2: talk about, but it has a lot of controversy. So 28 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 2: any have you ever heard of Focus Friends? 29 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: I have not heard of that. 30 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 2: Okay, So this is an app that was created by 31 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 2: Hank Green. Do you know Hank Green? 32 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: Do you know? 33 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 3: I do? 34 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 2: He's kind of our I guess, younger generation of like 35 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 2: Bill Nye the Science Guide level of like with different 36 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 2: levels of information and such. Anyway, so he with developers 37 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 2: and other creators started this app orated this app for 38 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 2: the intention that it would help you stop doom scrolling. 39 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 2: So because you people do so much, including myself, that 40 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 2: he's like, hey, what if we give them something cutesy 41 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 2: and something to do, like occupy their phone so they 42 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 2: can't get to it so they won't scroll so much. 43 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 2: So essentially, and I'm describing this on my own without 44 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 2: looking at the app, and I'll pull it up for 45 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 2: you in a minute, but like, essentially, what this is 46 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 2: is a bean that you need that knits, and in 47 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 2: that time, while it knits for however long, you said it. 48 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 2: It creates a certain amount of sucks and then you 49 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 2: can take these socks and turn it into like transactions 50 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 2: to create and decorate their room. So and it's only 51 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 2: one room right now? No, actually I just saw I 52 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 2: just got an update and there's now a living room, 53 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 2: so you can do that. Because I was like, what 54 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 2: happens when you finished doing this? And had I finished it? 55 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 2: Because when I get focused on something, I truly focus 56 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 2: on it. But people are actually very upset about this 57 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 2: because a lot of the knitters in the knitter world 58 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 2: are like, ay what because they decided to add a 59 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:17,679 Speaker 2: paid part to this app because there's no ads thus 60 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 2: far that if you want to pay a subscription or 61 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 2: if you want to pay a thing, they will give 62 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 2: you access to be able to make scarves, which is 63 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:32,519 Speaker 2: more in value and harder to do than the socks. Immediately, 64 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 2: do you already know? Our riders around the world were like, A, 65 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 2: you know, it's way more difficult to make socks than 66 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 2: it is to make scarves. And that is very very, 67 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 2: very very true because I have made a small scarf 68 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 2: in my three months focusing of trying to knit. And 69 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 2: I say a scarf, I just mean just a pattern 70 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 2: of rectangle. It's still like tied off to my ball 71 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 2: of yarn because I don't know how to end things 72 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 2: because I didn't get that far. I need to pick 73 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 2: it back up. But it's a thing, but it is. 74 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 2: It's very difficult. So to actually make a pattern like 75 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 2: a sock, it takes a lot of intricacies and workings 76 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 2: that I don't think I will ever graduate to. Like 77 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 2: I want to because I want to have a survival 78 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 2: skill and this seems like a good one to make clothes. 79 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 2: But at the same time, like it's really hard. I 80 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 2: don't know if I can do this. It's so people 81 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 2: who are like, hey, you might want to rethink this. 82 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 2: So at first it was just a cute conversation of 83 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 2: like you just flip this, do the scarves and then 84 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 2: the socks because this makes more sense in the Netterer world. 85 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 2: You know, you can do all these things whatever, whatnot. 86 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 2: It was okay for a minute. Then he got onto 87 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 2: his show, which is a YouTube show called side Show, 88 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 2: which talks about science. Great, he does a lot of science, 89 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 2: He does a lot of research on different things. Ever, 90 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 2: in this show, he pissed off a lot of knitters 91 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 2: like they were angry because not only did he try to, 92 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,919 Speaker 2: as some people would say, man's plain knitting because he 93 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 2: obviously doesn't know how to knit. And I say obvious 94 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 2: because they were like, if you think socks are easier 95 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 2: to make than scarves, and you have no idea what 96 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 2: you're doing in general, just in general, but also because 97 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 2: of the way that he tried to too many kind 98 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 2: of infantilize the art of knitting, saying almost undermining the 99 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 2: math that goes behind it, the science that goes behind it, 100 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 2: the layers of understanding patterns and directions and equations and 101 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 2: what it looks like to actually be able to create 102 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 2: items from knitting. And so people are really really upset, 103 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 2: Like I went through and looked up the Reddit comments 104 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 2: because at first I couldn't find the articles. I think 105 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 2: a new articles have showed up, and I've seen several 106 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 2: TikTok videos where people are like, Hey, you'all need to 107 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 2: talk about this, and how it's just misogynistic. There's just 108 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 2: an underlying level of misogyny that you're putting to imply 109 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,799 Speaker 2: that knitting is not of worth value, again, undermining something 110 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 2: that women like to do as a mere little hobby. 111 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 2: Essentially again, We've talked about this previously, when we talked 112 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 2: about they don't credit like fans or any of those 113 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 2: hobby type of things as being of importance because a 114 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 2: woman doesn't or it's dominated by women. And they went 115 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 2: through and they were like, hey, so I don't understand 116 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 2: why you would do it this way. Not only did 117 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 2: you infantilize what we do, you also kind of undermine 118 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 2: what we do and trying to take out some of 119 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 2: the science that does go behind knitting. Also, you were wrong. 120 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 2: You are so blatantly wrong in what you're talking about 121 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 2: that all of these other YouTubers who are to dedicate 122 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 2: their channels to knitting and how to knit, which I'm 123 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 2: grateful for them because they taught me how to start 124 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 2: again haven't gone far enough to figure out how to end, 125 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 2: but you know, they taught me how to start. But 126 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 2: they were like, came back and be like, these are 127 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 2: the things that you got wrong. So they fact checked 128 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 2: him essentially to that. But like some of the Reddit 129 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 2: people are upset. One says, did Hank Green just Man's 130 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 2: plain knitting and in that people in that red it 131 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 2: was like, oh, y'all are being too sensitive and making 132 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 2: jokes and undermining people being offended by his video and 133 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 2: saying that they are making a drama out of nothing. 134 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 2: Not allowed for this, and also, by the way, in 135 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 2: another TikTok video which I love a creator I know, 136 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 2: a black creator I know, was like, oh, these white 137 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 2: women are understanding intersectionality about the fact that he's trying 138 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 2: to explain something to you and saying that this is 139 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 2: this without understanding like the intricacies and the knowledge and 140 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 2: the depth and how it can undermine just because he's 141 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 2: liking something, but he's trying to explain it without knowing something, 142 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 2: and then also trying to make excuses. They're like, oh, 143 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 2: it's so funny. It's a good video too, I think 144 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 2: a great parallel. But again, so this show undermined the 145 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 2: app that he created because he tried to use this 146 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 2: as a way to explain why he's not completely wrong 147 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 2: of using socks instead of scarves, it says from this 148 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 2: article Vulture. They actually did write about it a couple 149 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 2: of days ago. It says YouTuber Debora Nitz call this 150 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 2: sid show video main explaining and generally pushed back on 151 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 2: the idea that science would legitimize knitting more than it 152 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 2: already was. Knitting has historically been devalued because it's women's work. 153 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 2: She says Hank could have said knitting is being used 154 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 2: in physics, how cool. Instead the way he said it 155 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 2: came across as knitting's kind of silly, but physics makes 156 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 2: it serious again, undermine all that. Debra also pointed out 157 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 2: that trial and error is also the backbone of scientific 158 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 2: inquiry and denigrating it as inferior to computer modeling is whack. 159 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 2: And it goes on to say one small detail knitters 160 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 2: have pointed out about Green's video, turning the hill in 161 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 2: a sock isn't the simple thing he claimed, it's real 162 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 2: rubicon of knitting and a make or break that separates 163 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 2: the true pearl heads from those who say, get I'm 164 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:30,839 Speaker 2: just making scars for the rest of my life. People 165 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 2: have died, but like that's that's the thing. And he 166 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 2: tried to undermine what this was and what it looked 167 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 2: like and like the level of where it's coming from 168 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 2: and saying yes, signs applies, so that makes it cool 169 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 2: and steatified. But knitting is just cool. So there's so 170 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 2: many things to this that he is getting under wraps, 171 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 2: and people like, is he getting canceled for this knitting, 172 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 2: and he did come back and I did actually recently 173 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 2: see a video, So there's a lot to this as 174 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 2: well of like him as a creator, having creators on 175 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 2: pedestals without recordizing that human infallible. There's a lot to 176 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 2: that because like, yeah, people love him. I'm just not 177 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 2: one of those people. Sure, Like there's nothing about him 178 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 2: that's like I'm offended about, But I also don't think 179 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 2: he's the answer to be Like he comes off as 180 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 2: the genius and I'm afraid people upset because Hank Green 181 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 2: lovers are very passionate about defending him, but like, like 182 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 2: he's just a man. It's fine, and he's got a 183 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 2: lot of intelligence and reads a lot and gives a 184 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 2: lot of great information, and I listen to his information 185 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 2: and that's great, But like I don't cling to everything 186 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 2: he says like that, but I know some people will. 187 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 2: But with that in that level of like taking something 188 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 2: that he knows nothing about and then integrating it, because 189 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 2: what he's created has kind of not necessarily insulted it, 190 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 2: but just kind of like it's not rational. It's easier 191 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 2: to make a scarf over a sock. I feel like 192 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 2: that's in general, would it be an obvious. 193 00:10:58,840 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: It feels obvious to me. 194 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 2: Maybe we know knitter, I can't die. 195 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: I can't do either, but I can barely do one, 196 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: and both require skills, yes that I don't have. But 197 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: I feel like a scarf is a pretty like standard 198 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: right pattern and straight, but a sock you have to. 199 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:22,199 Speaker 2: There's nuance that I don't understand, so like to see, 200 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,959 Speaker 2: like to understand when a knitter says this is easier 201 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 2: than that, I feel like, yeah, okay, that makes sense. 202 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 203 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 2: So instead of hearing that, he decided to take this 204 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,319 Speaker 2: show and do this thing, and there was no apology 205 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 2: and no like you're right. He does a contrition in 206 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 2: his video when it's addressing the size show issue, but 207 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 2: he doesn't really apologize and he doesn't really offer a correction. 208 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 2: He did get challenged at one point and said you 209 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 2: should you should try to learn, try to yourself knit 210 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 2: a sock without pattern and see what happens. And he 211 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:56,599 Speaker 2: was like, please don't make me do this. So I 212 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 2: don't know what that means. I don't know if he's 213 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 2: going to take that except maybe maybe not. So the 214 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 2: producer of the show, she did kind of apologize and 215 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 2: recognize like, maybe they did this incorrectly, but it again, 216 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 2: there's a lot when it comes to a community that 217 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 2: feels like they have been taken for granted. And also 218 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 2: in that conversation, they also talked about the fact that 219 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 2: this was a sign of resistance. Knitting was a sign 220 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,319 Speaker 2: of resistance. Knitting and sewing is a show of resistance 221 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 2: to a lot of things. We've seen this what they did. 222 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 2: A lot of this art that they do is a 223 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 2: show of resistance as well and survival if you really 224 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 2: want to talk about it. And yeah, so the producer 225 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 2: did say in an interview, as quoted by Daily Dot, 226 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 2: they admitted that some terminology and visuals were incorrect. A 227 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 2: mislabeled visual of reverse stuck in net doesn't invalidate the 228 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 2: trustworthiness and value of the science lessons in this video. 229 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 2: They also emphasized that side show often simplifies material for accessibility. 230 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 2: In this case, however, the simplifying language may have alienated 231 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 2: knitters was just not their intention. So there's a like 232 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 2: one of the producers did acknowledge it. Hank Green, who 233 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 2: is the face of that episode, didn't acknowledge it or 234 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 2: hasn't really acknowledged it, And people are upset. People are upset, 235 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 2: So it's finding. It's interesting to see because I think 236 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 2: people in the knitting world have the right to be 237 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 2: represented in a good light and in a correct light, 238 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 2: and if they have criticism, they should be able to 239 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 2: do this. But it's interesting that it came from an 240 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 2: app that was about doom scrolling and focusing that involved 241 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 2: the bean that I have named mind Blurt Blurt, the 242 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 2: bean that my partner has, a bean named Tomo. 243 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: Has it helped with your dune scrolling? 244 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 2: I've decorated things, Okay, it helps when I'm like working, 245 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 2: it does help. 246 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, there you go. 247 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 2: So I'm gonna need you to look up on the 248 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 2: I need you. I don't need you to look it 249 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 2: up because you don't need you focusing, but like. 250 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: Just look at the bean. 251 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, the bean, I'll show. I'll see direct of my bean. 252 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 3: Please, Okay, yeah, I do have to say real quickly, 253 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 3: I had not heard about any of this, but it 254 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 3: is funny to me because I do really love this 255 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 3: YouTube show that Seth Myers does, called Corrections, and it 256 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 3: started in the pandemic as just the kind of absurd 257 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 3: comedy of reading YouTube comments and trying to correct things. 258 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: But he was first attacked by the Lego community and 259 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: oh god, it's legos, and then he was the knitting 260 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: community came for him. It's all in good fun. So 261 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: when I say game for him, it was a very 262 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: like here's what she got wrong to say correctly, here's 263 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: how to say it correctly. And it ended up being 264 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: really funny because knitters kept sending him stuff and he 265 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: would wear it on the show. I feel like the 266 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: knitting community sounds fantastic and I love you all. 267 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I stand with you. 268 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: Oh I am so with you. And after that, I 269 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: was writing a chapter of fan fiction and I had 270 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: something about knitting in there and I wrote at the 271 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: bottom like correct me because I know I didn't get 272 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: it right, and they wrote in and I was like, 273 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: thank you, that's all we need. It's fantastic. I enjoy it. 274 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: I can't do it. It's a very valuable thing. I 275 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: stand by the Knitters. 276 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 2: Yes, we're on the side of the Knitters. 277 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: We are we are. So if any of you listeners 278 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: are knitters, please let us know or any creative endeavor 279 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: you have. 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