1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: They take me then it blacked out suv to this 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: location where they had already dug out this shallow brave. 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 1: When I get there, they tell me, okay, if I need 4 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: you to strip down to your underwear. They showed me 5 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: how to pose on my hands bown beyond my back 6 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: and it looked like I was a little bit swollen. 7 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: They put more blood on me, and they been threw 8 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: dirt on me, which I thought it was stilely grading 9 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: and close my eyes. The only thing that I could 10 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: remember was the sound of the thirty five millimeter as 11 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: it went around me, just clicking taking pictures of me. 12 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 2: I'm Andrea Gunning And this is Betrayal, A show about 13 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 2: the people we trust the most and the deceptions that 14 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 2: change everything. Ramone's Sosa's story is one of those stranger 15 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 2: than fiction kind of tales. It's a betrayal that threatens everything, 16 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 2: including Ramone's life. Ramone grew up in Puerto Rico, the 17 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 2: only son in a traditional and tight knit family. Ramone 18 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 2: idolized his father, who was a professional wrestler like. 19 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 1: Pecan you see and w WWF? And I used to 20 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: see him on TV all the time in Puerto Rico. 21 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: He was big, muscular and had this or about him. 22 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: When he walked into the road. 23 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 2: As a kid, Ramone tagged along with his dad to 24 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 2: the gym, and it was there where he fell in 25 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 2: love with what he calls the real thing boxing. 26 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: I started boxing about seven years old in Puerto Rico. 27 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: That was my life. School boxing home, school boxing home. 28 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: That was It takes a lot of discipline in boxing 29 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: if you want to do it right, and that's what 30 00:01:57,520 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: it taught me. 31 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 2: And all of that discipline started to pay off for Ramone. 32 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,919 Speaker 2: He fought in hundreds of amateur matches as a teenager 33 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 2: and he was winning a lot. 34 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: A lot of the trainers that worked with me they 35 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: said that I had a lot of natural talent and 36 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: people started saying, man, you'll be good when you grow up. 37 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: For my size, I hit very hard. 38 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,959 Speaker 2: He's careful to point out that even though he was 39 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: a champion in the ring, he never fought outside of it. 40 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 2: He felt like it was his responsibility as an athlete 41 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 2: to maintain a strong sense of right and wrong. 42 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: I don't fight in the street. Boxing is a skill, 43 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: and when you get in that ring, it's like a 44 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: chess match. 45 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 2: He dreamed of going pro and taking care of his family. 46 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 2: The Sosas moved from Puerto Rico to Houston, Texas when 47 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 2: Ramone was a teenager. After sweeping the amateur leagues, Ramone 48 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 2: went pro. 49 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 1: My father actually had to sign my contract to turn 50 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: pro because I was under age. 51 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 2: He was a professional boxer for a few years before 52 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 2: he eventually settled into a new career coaching and training 53 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 2: young boxers in the US. 54 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: But when it turns into a business and you see 55 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 1: like everybody wants to make money from you, everybody wants 56 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: a piece of the pie, it was tough. When they 57 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: started getting to me. 58 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 2: In his early twenties, he fell in love and got married. 59 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 2: He and his first wife had three kids. 60 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: I mean praise to all the mothers that stay at 61 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: home with their kids, because you know what, that is 62 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: a tough, tough job. It's a full time job. 63 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 2: Raising three kids together strained their relationship. They moved to 64 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 2: Houston to be closer to Ramone's parents. That's where he 65 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 2: still lives today. But even with his parents' help, Ramone 66 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 2: and his first wife. 67 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 3: Knew that they weren't a match. 68 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 2: They needed to separate. 69 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: It did not work out. Even though we couldn't work 70 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: it out. We did the best that we could for 71 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: our kids. And to this day, you know, we have 72 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: grandkids together. So I respect her, she respects me. 73 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 3: Ramone missed being a full time dad. 74 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 2: With more free time on his hands, he decided to 75 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 2: start a nonprofit, an after school boxing program. 76 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 3: We're at risk. 77 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: Youth and I We'll pick him up after school, taking 78 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: him to the gym. They would get a snack or 79 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: work help in the box, and then we also talked 80 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: about life situations. 81 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 2: He loved being involved with the community and helping kids 82 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 2: who needed a positive influence. 83 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 3: In their lives. That's how he met a close friend. 84 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 1: His name is Mundo's names you real name, That's the 85 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: name that he went by. 86 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 2: As a teenager. Mundo had been involved with a gang 87 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 2: and went to prison. Now that he was out, he 88 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 2: was turning his life around, looking for a purpose, and 89 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 2: he always loved boxing. He saw a sign about the 90 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 2: after school program and he asked Ramon if he could volunteer, 91 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 2: and he. 92 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 1: Said, ah, can I start today? I said start today, 93 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: he said right off the bat, He said, yeah, I 94 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: want to start today. So he went to his truck, 95 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: got some workout clothes and he went running with my kids. 96 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 2: Mundo kept coming back after day, and Ramone liked how 97 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 2: he related to the kids. He was honest with them 98 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,119 Speaker 2: about the bad choices he'd made. 99 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: He had all these tattoos with his gang name on 100 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: his back. He never hardly ever took off his shirt 101 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: because he didn't want people to see that kind of 102 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: stuff and the kids to see that kind of stuff. 103 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: And that's what I liked about him, that he mentored 104 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: so many kids in the gym to not go through 105 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: the same thing that he went through. 106 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 2: Ramone and Mundo became close friends. They ran the after 107 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 2: school program together, and Mundo even started working alongside Ramon 108 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 2: at his day job training professional boxers. 109 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: Ievie came kind of like my right hand man, and 110 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 1: I would tell people when he went to the boxing 111 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 1: tournament and saying shows with me. They had this my 112 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 1: other son, you know, it was my third son. He 113 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: came really really close to me. He called him Pop 114 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: says I was like a father figure to him. 115 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 2: Ramone and Mundo worked side by side training professionals and 116 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 2: then running the after school program. 117 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 3: It went on like this for years. 118 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 2: That was until Mundo got married and had a ki 119 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 2: of his own, and Ramone moved to the other side 120 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 2: of the city. Eventually, the two slowly fell out of touch. 121 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 2: Ramone was now seven years out from his divorce and 122 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 2: he wanted to find someone to share his life with. 123 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 2: That's when her friend told him about a new dance 124 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 2: club in Houston. 125 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: He goes, you know, he could played that SASA regular, 126 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: you know that kind of stuff that you like. I 127 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 1: want to go check it out, and I hear there's 128 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: a lot of beautiful ladies there too. 129 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 2: It was a Saturday night and a weekend where Ramone 130 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 2: didn't have his kids, so he decided to go check 131 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 2: it out. 132 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: I mean it was packed, it was going on, you know, 133 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: and music was the kind of music that I liked, 134 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: and the dance floor was pegged. There she was. 135 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 2: He was mesmerized by this one woman on the dance floor. 136 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: So I kept looking at this leader on the other 137 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: dance where she danced very very well, and I might 138 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: thinking like, well, she looks Colombian or from the Caribbean, 139 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: the way she's dancing. She was wearing a tight meani 140 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: black dress. It looked like it was painted on her. 141 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: Beautiful all this kind she had wall black hair. Next 142 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: thing I know, I see her walking towards me, and 143 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: I said, okay, I'm trying to be cool about it, 144 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: and she steps on my toe. She had high heels 145 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: on it, and there must have been three inch skills 146 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my goodness, I just went down. 147 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: I had a beer. I just went down. And she 148 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: starts telling me in Spanish, oh my gosh, I'm so sorry. 149 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, but you okay, And then we tell you. 150 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: All I could do was just look up, stand at 151 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: hand and say we should dance with me, and she said, 152 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: of course, I danced with you, and that's where it 153 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: all started. 154 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 2: Her name was Lulu. 155 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: Her real name is mar Yeah, they moved this. She 156 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: went by Lulu. 157 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 3: They had an instant connection. 158 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 2: After that night on the dance floor, Ramon and Lulu 159 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 2: started going on dates, and she admitted she hadn't stepped 160 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 2: on Ramon's by accident. 161 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: So, yeah, I did that on purpose. 162 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 3: I wanted to get to know you, and that's exactly 163 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 3: what they did. 164 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: We had a lot in common. She told me that 165 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: she was a divorced mother too, had recently moved to 166 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: Texas or Mexico City for a better life for herself 167 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: at her kids. 168 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 2: After a few dates, Ramone explained to Lulu that his 169 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 2: career as a boxing coach was very demanding. It meant 170 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 2: working late nights and traveling to tournaments on the weekends. 171 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 2: He knew it was the kind of schedule that could 172 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 2: make dating difficult, if not impossible, but it didn't scare 173 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 2: Lulu off. She was supportive of his career and she 174 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 2: wanted to help him succeed. 175 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: She started going to those tournaments with me, sit there 176 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: the whole time, supporting me, helping me with the kids. 177 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: And I liked that about her. 178 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 3: Just like Ramon, Lulu was a hard worker. 179 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: The way she was making ends meet to try to 180 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: take care of her family was working underground. She would 181 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: clean houses. 182 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 2: Lulu was determined to become a US citizen. In addition 183 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 2: to cleaning houses and raising her kids, she went to 184 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 2: night school to improve her English. 185 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 1: And I would help her too, you know, talking to 186 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: her in English when I could. She was just talk 187 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: to more in English because I wanted to learn English. 188 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 2: Ramone was impressed. They both had young kids from their 189 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 2: previous marriages. After about six months of dating, they started 190 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 2: getting to know each other's families. 191 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: There was family gatherings on her side in my side. 192 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: Ludy was always there helping out, cleaning, helping, you know, 193 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: with the food. She was always very helpful with everybody. 194 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: And my mother in family, they liked her. They saw 195 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: how she treated me, and they saw that I had 196 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 1: been a lull for seven years now, and they kind 197 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: of saw something in her that, you know, she might 198 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: be the one. 199 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 2: Having his mother's approval sealed the deal for Ramone one 200 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 2: night in two thousand and nine, after a year and 201 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 2: a half together. 202 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,719 Speaker 1: I went on one knee and I had proposed to her. 203 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: She said yes, of course, and then she started crying 204 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: and crying, and they said, what's going on with you? 205 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: Are you okay? And all she kept saying was that 206 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: after all she went through with her ex husband, she 207 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: thought it would ever happen again. And she saw it 208 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: in me that I was a good man, and she 209 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: just couldn't believe that I asked marry her. 210 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 2: During their engagement, Lulu doated on him. 211 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. There was times where I would have 212 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: a drink and I wasn't even halfway done and she 213 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: would go give me another one. Guys were like, man, 214 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: how do you find a woman like that? She's beautiful 215 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: and she treats you like a king, you know, kind 216 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: of like make you stick your chest out a little 217 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: bit too, like, wow, that's my lady, you know that 218 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: kind of stuff. 219 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 3: The couple had a quick engagement. 220 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 2: It was a second marriage for both of them, so 221 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 2: they opted for a simple courthouse ceremony with a backyard reception. 222 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 1: It was at my sister's house. Matter of fact, she 223 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: wanted to give me that as a present. She had 224 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: a big celebration from my mayor. A lot of family 225 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: and friends were there, her family, her mother, and her 226 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: sister and brother love. They were all there. 227 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:10,439 Speaker 2: In the middle of the reception, surrounded by family, music 228 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 2: and food. Something strange happened that Ramone will never forget. 229 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 2: Lulu's mother approached him and she had a stern look 230 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 2: on her face. 231 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: Her mother walks up to me, and then she just 232 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: whispers in my ear, Now she's your trouble. He walks away. 233 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: I mean, wow, that's the first red flag was out 234 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: there right at our wedding night. 235 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 2: In two thousand and nine, Ramone Sosa was newly married 236 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 2: to his second wife, Lulu. She was hard working, portive 237 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 2: of his career, and she went above and beyond to 238 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 2: make him happy. Instead of a honeymoon, Lulu wanted to 239 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 2: take a more practical approach. She wanted to invest in 240 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 2: becoming a citizen. 241 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: That's what she wanted, and it's also okay, well that's 242 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: what you wanted. I was happy for her because she 243 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 1: was just tired of cleaning houses and you want to 244 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,959 Speaker 1: get a regular job and be here legally. 245 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 2: It was a mountain of paperwork, the first big hurdle 246 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 2: the couple faced together. 247 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: And it's that cheap, and we did it. We went 248 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: over there to the immigration attorney and I signed all 249 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,959 Speaker 1: the papers. Seemed like he was like a well, three 250 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: hundred pages. That's a lot of responsibility that you take 251 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: where you sponsor a person to be in this country legally. 252 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 2: With Lulu's immigration paperwork underway, they started their new life together. 253 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: The first years of our marriage, what you call the 254 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: honeymoon years, were wonderful. I was still very involved in boxing. 255 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: I had my nonprofit. She supported that also. She cared 256 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: a lot about me. She cared that I was a 257 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: father figure to her son and her daughter. 258 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 2: Early on in their marriage, Ramone told Lulu about his 259 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 2: career dreams. He wanted to open his own boxing gym 260 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 2: in Houston, a place where he could coach and train 261 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 2: the city's best boxers. But he knew this dream was 262 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 2: a few years away. He didn't have the money for 263 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:27,439 Speaker 2: all the upfront costs. 264 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: I told her how much he was going to cost, 265 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: and she goes, I can get that for you, and 266 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 1: I said, what are you talking about. 267 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 2: Lulu was determined to help Ramone's dream come true. 268 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 1: She was borrowing money for family and also she maxed 269 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: out all these credit cards as she had, and that's 270 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: what we were able to open up our first gym 271 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: and buy all the equipment. 272 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 2: The plan was dubious, but it worked and he was 273 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 2: grateful for it. The Jim quickly became a full time 274 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 2: job for both Ramone and Lulu. He did the head 275 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 2: coaching and training, and she handled the business side of things. 276 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: She told me that back in Mexico City, she used 277 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: to work for Ford and she was an executive secretary 278 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: and she knew how to keep the books and she 279 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: was good at it. So I was very happy that 280 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,719 Speaker 1: I had somebody that because I mean, I'm not good 281 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: at that part. I'm good at training people. I'm good 282 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: at teaching him how to fight a box. 283 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 2: Andy was his gym became d plays for leap boxers 284 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 2: to sharpen their skills, and it was growing quickly. 285 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: The business took off. It took off, and it took 286 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: off quick. My day started at four in the morning. 287 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: I was till night in the evening, working saturdays too, 288 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: and I mean that was literally exhausted every day. But 289 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: that's surprised. You pay when you own a business. 290 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 2: Within a year, he had already paid Lulu back and 291 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 2: they were starting to make real money. 292 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: I just kept saying to myself, like, wow, this is 293 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: what I wanted. I mean, I didn't become a world champion, 294 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: I didn't go to the Olympics, but still doing something 295 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: with boxing. And at the same time, I'm making money 296 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: and we were financially doing very very well. We were 297 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: to the point where we under the buy a big house, cars, vacations, 298 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: so everything was good and to me, life was good. 299 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 2: One day, Ramone got an unexpected visitor at the gym, 300 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 2: his old friend Mundo. 301 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: And I was like, Wundo, and it was like we 302 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: picked up right where we had left off. 303 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 2: Mundo asked to come work with Ramon again, but Lulu 304 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 2: wasn't so sure about him. She didn't like his luck 305 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 2: or his criminal background. 306 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: She told me, I don't know about having somebody like 307 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: that around our business. You know, she saw the tattoos. 308 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: I've had to be honest with her that, you know, 309 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: told his background home, everything that happened to him. And 310 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: you know, he had been released from prison back in 311 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: the day being shot at gang member. But he cleaned 312 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: his life. He wanted to live with different life. But 313 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: then when Mundo started coming around helping me at helping 314 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: with the gym and helping the weekends so we could 315 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: have days off. When she saw the benefits in him, 316 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: then she said, okay, well we can use them. 317 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 2: So Mundo started working nights and weekends at the gym. 318 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 2: It was a relief. The Sosos really needed the help. 319 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 2: They were beginning to struggle at home with the pressure 320 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 2: of parenting and managing their business. 321 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: So at home, racing the family was getting difficult, and 322 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: Lulu would take the issues that she had with her 323 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: kids that on me. So, yeah, the family dynamic we 324 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: were seeing cracks. 325 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 2: After the first three years of marriage, Ramone started noticing 326 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 2: that Lulu was changing too. 327 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 3: She was becoming more demanding. 328 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: She didn't want my kids to come around. She didn't 329 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: want my family. Even my family start coming to my 330 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: house because they saw how she changed, how she was 331 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: in the same person, the very nice lady that they 332 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: had met when I first met her. 333 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 2: Lulu was getting controlling about how Ramone spent money, while 334 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 2: she was spending more than ever. 335 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: She would go shopping and come back from the wall 336 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: with all these bags. I said, what are you doing. 337 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 2: Ramone's concern was amplified when he discovered. 338 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: I started noticing that the books were not adding up 339 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: to the number of people members we had in the gym. 340 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: And every time I will bring up that situation of said, hey, 341 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: what's going on here? This is not adding up the 342 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 1: bottom line, and she would always say, I don't worry 343 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: about it. And I was upsetting. 344 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 3: So we hired someone else to take over the books. 345 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 2: One night, Ramone came home from the gym to find 346 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,719 Speaker 2: that Lulu was hosting a party at the house, a 347 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 2: party he hadn't heard about. There were balloons and a cake. 348 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 2: Lulu's entire family. 349 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: Was there, and I can tell that she had been 350 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: drinking because she was just learned a little bit, and 351 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: she had a bottle of wine in one hand and 352 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: a cup of the other, and she said, say hello 353 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: to your new American wife, and I'm like, what are 354 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: you talking about. 355 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 2: Lulu had applied for citizenship and she was approved. 356 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 3: Earlier that day. 357 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 2: She'd gone to her naturalization ceremony and officially became a 358 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 2: US citizen, but she hadn't mentioned it to Ramone, her 359 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,479 Speaker 2: husband and the sponsor of her visa. 360 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: And I said, wait a second. You're here legally in 361 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: this country because of me. Your kids are here legally 362 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: because of me, and you don't have the respect to 363 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: ask me like you I want to go to the celebration. 364 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: It got to the poor where I asked her, point black, 365 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: did you marry me just to be here legally with 366 00:18:54,920 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: your family, the money, the American lifestyle. She came back with, 367 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: look at me, I'm beautiful, look at my up body. 368 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: I can get anybody I want, and men to have 369 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: a lot more money than you. But no, I chose you. 370 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: I want to be with you, and I love you. 371 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 2: He wanted to believe her, but he was still disturbed 372 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 2: by her choices, not to mention her controlling behavior, not 373 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 2: wanting his kids around her, spending, the discrepancies in the books, 374 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 2: and now she hadn't even invited him to her citizenship ceremony. 375 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: And I said, now this is that cool or like 376 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:34,400 Speaker 1: the way his marriage is going? 377 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 2: Ramon pulled away emotionally and physically. He knew something was wrong, 378 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 2: but he was too busy with his Jim to take 379 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 2: immediate action and file for divorce. In the meantime, the 380 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 2: couple started sleeping in separate bedrooms. 381 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: We're still married but living separate lives, basically in the 382 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: same house. 383 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 2: He didn't expect Lulu to be the one to file 384 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 2: for divorce, but one day she came to him with 385 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 2: the papers and she had a bold request. 386 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 3: She wanted to keep the house and the business. 387 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 1: I said, no, no, I don't think so. I said, 388 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: we're going to go half. Everything is going to split 389 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: down the middle. You go your way, I go my way. 390 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 1: But all the money and time that I have invested 391 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: in this marriage and everything that we have, no, I said, no, 392 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: this is my house. So I told her we can 393 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: work it out, or we can go to court. And 394 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: that's when I got my attorney and we'll fight it out. 395 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 2: He had been through a divorce before, and although the 396 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 2: first one was difficult, it had been fair and respectful. 397 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 2: But this divorce was about to take a devastating turn. 398 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: I remember I was driving, Mundo calls me. 399 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,199 Speaker 2: Mundo explained that the night before, he'd been closing the 400 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 2: gym when he overheard Lulu talking about hiring a hitman. 401 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 1: And you know, Mundo being funny and when we joke 402 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,679 Speaker 1: around before all the time. I said, Mundo, you know 403 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: qu're joking around, man, you know what we're going through. 404 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: This's is just not cool to be joking like that. 405 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: He said, nah, nah, no, Pops. I've seen that look 406 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,479 Speaker 1: in people's eyes when they want to kill somebody, and 407 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: she has that look. 408 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 3: Munjo approached Lulu to ask about what he overheard. 409 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: And he walked up to her. I said, and you 410 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,919 Speaker 1: guys used to be careful what you're saying because you 411 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: never know who's listening. And he said, are you guys 412 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 1: talking about remote and said yeah. Mingo said you want 413 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: him gone and you want to disappear. And Mundo did 414 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: the pistol sign with his hand and he said, you 415 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: want him gone like this like you know when she 416 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:45,919 Speaker 1: said yeah, I'm tired of him. I wish she was 417 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 1: going to disappear. Yeah like that. I just want him 418 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: going out of my life. And Mungo said, I'll tell 419 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: you what you know. I got some people that can 420 00:21:55,800 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: do the job for you. 421 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:15,199 Speaker 2: Mundo told Lulu he could help, that he knew someone 422 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 2: who could do the hit. Instead of calling up a connection, 423 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 2: he went straight to his good friend Ramone. 424 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: I was upset. I was so upset. I mean I 425 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 1: had to pull over. I had so much rage. I 426 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 1: didn't know what to do. That was like, man, what 427 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: I do? So I called the police? So he said, no, 428 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 1: he is to do. I talked to her and I'm 429 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: going to start meeting with her, and I'm going to 430 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 1: record every day or a foe and see how far 431 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 1: she's willing to go. And then I what I want 432 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: you to do is take all these recordings to the 433 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: police and see what they wanted to do. 434 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 2: Ramone was skeptical that this plan would work, and taking 435 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 2: Mundo at his word meant Lulu was dangerous. So right 436 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 2: after that phone call, he decided to go to the police. 437 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 1: And I told him the situation, what happened, and he 438 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 1: responded with you know what, you guys are going through 439 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 1: a divorce. Women and men sometimes say things when they're upset, 440 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 1: even that they want to kill their wives or their husbands, 441 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: but as they's just saying it out of anger, there's 442 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: really not a lot of evidence to do anything with that. 443 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 2: He wasn't sure if Mundo's plan to use secret recordings 444 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:36,199 Speaker 2: would be admissible or even legal. It sounded kind of 445 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 2: like entrapment, so he asked the detectives about it. 446 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: I told the black Woo does it look And he said, 447 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: you guys keep getting more evidence and I said, okay, 448 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: apparently that is legal. So that's what we did. 449 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 3: So they moved forward with the plan. 450 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 2: Mundo would meet with Lulu in private places like cars 451 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 2: to see if she was actually serious about hiring a hitman, 452 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 2: and all the while he was secretly recording on his phone. 453 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,719 Speaker 2: For this to work, she'd have to believe that Mundo 454 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 2: was in one hundred percent. But why would she trust Mundo, 455 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 2: one of Ramone's best friends. Ramone has a simple answer. 456 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: Lulu's so desperate in everything that's going on the voice 457 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 1: I going her way. Her life is slowly crumbling. 458 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,919 Speaker 2: The most difficult part of their plan was that Ramon 459 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 2: would have to play dumb and spend a few more 460 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 2: days sleeping under the same roof as Lulu, pretending that 461 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 2: he didn't know what she was planning. Ramone remembers turning 462 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 2: into his driveway that day, something he'd done a thousand 463 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 2: times before, and he always felt comfort and relief when 464 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 2: he got home, But now it was. 465 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 3: All so eerie. 466 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 2: His house a would be crime scene and him an 467 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 2: unsuspecting murder victim. 468 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: Even though we were sleeping in separate rules. I had 469 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,479 Speaker 1: to go home and see this lady and look at 470 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: this lady, knowing that she wanted to have me killed. 471 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 3: He barely said a word to her. 472 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 2: That night. He locked his bedroom door. He tried to sleep, 473 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 2: but he was wide awake with thoughts racing. People say 474 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 2: things they don't mean during a divorce all the time. 475 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 2: Could she just be fuming or could she actually go 476 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,479 Speaker 2: through with it? The next day, Ramon got his answer. 477 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 2: It turns out Lulu was in a hurry. She wanted 478 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 2: to take Mundo up on his offer right away. 479 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: Lulu wanted me dead before our divorce was finalized, because 480 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: she said to Mundo, look, if he dies after our 481 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: divorce is finalized, my kids get everything. But if he 482 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: died before that, the wars is finalized, she gets everything. 483 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 1: And the Wars was going to be finalized about a 484 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: what so she wanted me dead as soon as possible. 485 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 2: Ramone had spent seven years with Lulu. For most of 486 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 2: that time, he genuinely adored her. He wanted to give 487 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 2: her that second chance at a loving partnership, and he 488 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 2: dreamed of seeing her succeed alongside of him. Instead, she 489 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 2: was throwing it all away, and Ramone heard everything captured 490 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 2: on tape. 491 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 1: I could believe what I was hearing from Lulu. She's 492 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: selling Mundo how she's practicing, how she's going to cry 493 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: when the police calls her after they kill me, and 494 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: she's literally making cry and sounds and she starts laughing 495 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: after that. 496 00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 2: In one of the first recorded conversations, Lulu dropped a bull. 497 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 1: Lulu was planning to have me kill two years prior 498 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 1: to our divorce. I was like what, and Mundo said, yeah, 499 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 1: have it or one of the recordings, and I listened 500 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: to it and I said, I can't believe what I'm 501 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: listening to. 502 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 2: Two years earlier, they'd taken a family vacation to Mexico City. 503 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,640 Speaker 2: Ramone thought their relationship was in a good place, and she. 504 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: Was so happy to show me Mexico City and go 505 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,679 Speaker 1: to the Pyramids. She had a whole tenerary for everything 506 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 1: we were supposed to do in Mexico City. 507 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,439 Speaker 2: She told Mundo that she was planning to kill Ramon 508 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:42,479 Speaker 2: on that trip. 509 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 3: Lulu wanted his savings, his business, and his life insurance. 510 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 2: She was conspiring to commit the crime with a friend 511 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 2: back in Mexico and the plan. 512 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:59,360 Speaker 1: Was, Yeah, bring him over here. We'll disappear. People disappear 513 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: here all this time. What we can do is have 514 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 1: you guys held for ransom and then they're going to 515 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 1: let you go, and then we're going to disappear him. 516 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,439 Speaker 1: And then Mundo asked Lulu, and so how come you 517 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,879 Speaker 1: didn't go through with it? And Lulu said, well, I 518 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: didn't have the heart to do it. Then, well now 519 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: I do. 520 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 2: This chilled him to the bone. He didn't recognize this woman. 521 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 2: He never heard his wife speak like this before, the 522 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 2: coldness in her voice, her laughter. 523 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: It never crossed my mind that lou had this whole 524 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: blooded heart through our good times in our marriage. I 525 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: never would have ever thought in a million years this 526 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: person had that kind of mind to do this kind 527 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: of stuff. 528 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 3: He became genuinely terrified for his life. 529 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,479 Speaker 2: Ramon left the house and stayed with his parents who 530 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 2: lived across town. In the meantime, Mundo asked Lulu if 531 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 2: she wanted him to reach out to one of his 532 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 2: guys if she was ready, and she said she was, 533 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 2: so Mundo called his contacts. 534 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: He called one of them John Boy in the other 535 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: one Paco. 536 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 2: If those sound like characters from a crummy action movie, 537 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 2: it's because they are. 538 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: Told me that he saw blood and blood out and 539 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: those are those two characters right from that movie. 540 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 2: But Lulu bought it. So Mundo texted Paco, who was 541 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 2: actually Ramone using a burner phone. 542 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: Then I said, well, Mundo, I'm not a street guy, 543 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: so he's already teaching me how to talk or text 544 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: in that gang Lingo to pass as a criminal. Basically, 545 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: he's meeting with Lulu and the person that do. I 546 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: text Munda say, hey, the boss lead ready to do this. 547 00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: We need two hundred dollars for the toy. 548 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 2: Mundo explained that the hit would cost twelve thousand dollars, 549 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 2: but the guys would need two hundred dollars up front 550 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 2: for the gun. 551 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: She went to our bank. We still had count together. 552 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: She went to our account, got the two hundred dollars 553 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 1: out of our savings which is basically my money too, 554 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: and get Mundo two hundred dollars. 555 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 2: As soon as the money changed hands, they had enough 556 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 2: to go to the police. The moment was both a 557 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 2: relief and a horrible betrayal, and with this evidence, the 558 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 2: police were finally ready to move on Ramon's case. They 559 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 2: took it very seriously. 560 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: They had to get all these different agencies together and 561 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: come up with the plant Safe troopers they share with 562 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: the part with FBI. They got real quick. 563 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 2: Law enforcement wanted to collect evidence of their own. They 564 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 2: decided to see if Lulu would make a down payment 565 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 2: for the hit and if she would exchange the money 566 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 2: with one of these fictitions, hitman in person. 567 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: The state police brought their undercover police officer to play 568 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: it as one of the hitman's to start meeting with 569 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: Lulu in person. I mean, this guy, if he saw 570 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: her in the street, he thought that he was really 571 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: a gang member hit man. You know. He put everything 572 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: to the tee. He had all the tags. Anybody to talk. 573 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: He had a mean look like then you will be 574 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: scared of him. 575 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 2: Lulu met him in a car, which of course was 576 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 2: an undercover police car full of cameras. 577 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 3: She said she didn't have the cash to pay him just. 578 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: Yet, but she brought my own jewelry as a down 579 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: payment for my own murder bracelets, watches just so stiff 580 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: that I had left behind at the house, and she 581 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: gave that to him as a down payment. And then 582 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: she also had the nerve to tell look, and he 583 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: also wears this really nice watch and if he has 584 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: it on, you can keep that too, because it's worth something. 585 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 1: And then after he dies, I'll give you the rest 586 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: of the money. And he said, okay, we're going to 587 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: take care of business now. 588 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 2: That night, the police asked Ramone to come to the 589 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 2: station right away. 590 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: And I said, what about Mungo. He's not coming, said no, 591 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 1: we just need to talk to you. When I arrived 592 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: at the station, go to a special room that we 593 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: always met. And when I get in and I started noticing, like, 594 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: wait a second, there's a lot more people in this 595 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 1: room than before. The FBI guy was there. At the 596 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: State Police detective a DA or assistant DA was there, 597 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: so it was a packed room. And they start telling 598 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: me and say, okay, Ramona, we feel that we have 599 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: enough evidence to arrest Lulu right now. But here's the deal. 600 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: You guys own a business here locally. She's a mother, 601 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 1: she's there been in trouble, and we need to make 602 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: this slammed on the case, and that if we go 603 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 1: to a jury trial, we might have one of the 604 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: jurists true slight for her. And you just want to 605 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 1: make sure it's a slag done case. So we have 606 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: decided to stage your death and show her your picture 607 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: and then recorded. 608 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 2: It sounded over the top. He'd never heard anything like it, 609 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 2: and to be honest, neither have I. The police told 610 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 2: Ramon that they need him for three days, so he 611 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 2: quickly went home and packed a bag. He was advised 612 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 2: not to tell anyone where he was going at Mundo, 613 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 2: not his parents, not his kids. He returned to the 614 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 2: police station the next morning and was surprised when the 615 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 2: police started doing special effects makeup to make it look 616 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 2: like he'd been shot in the head. 617 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 3: The police even had a. 618 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 2: Reference image, a photo of a real murder victim whose 619 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 2: body had been dumped in the desert. 620 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: They take me in a blacked out SUV to this 621 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 1: location where they had already dug out this shallow grave. 622 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: And when I get there, the detective tells me, okay, 623 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 1: meet you to strip down to your underwear. They showed 624 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: me how to pose on my hands bound behind my back, 625 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: and it looked like I was a little bit swollen. 626 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 1: They put more blood on me, and they even threw 627 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: dirt on me, which I thought it was so degrading, 628 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: and closed my eyes and the only thing that I 629 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 1: could remember the most from that scene was the sound 630 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 1: of the thirty five millimeter as it went around me, 631 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: just clicking taking pictures of me. And then the detectives 632 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: health give me the shows we're done here to close 633 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 1: on and they took me away to a hotel. 634 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 2: He sat in the hotel room for two days, not 635 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:01,320 Speaker 2: able to contact anyone, just waiting for the to arrest Lulu. 636 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 1: I couldn't sleep. All I did was paced back and forth, 637 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: thinking about all the different situations. What if it doesn't happen, 638 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: whether she doesn't fall for it, What are my kids 639 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,319 Speaker 1: gonna think when they see my parents? Everybody, I mean all, 640 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,959 Speaker 1: I mean, so many things going through my head. 641 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 3: Meanwhile, back in Houston, the. 642 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 1: Undercover police officer was in the car with Lulu and 643 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,919 Speaker 1: he shows Lulu the picture of me in the Charlotte grave. 644 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,319 Speaker 1: So next thing she does, she starts racing up her 645 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 1: hands up like racing the roof, like she's laughing, like yeah, 646 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 1: about to get paid. I hit the battle and then 647 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: walks out of the car, closes the door, no idea whatsoever. 648 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: The whole time she was starting to an undercover police officer. 649 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 2: Lulu was arrested right there for solicia citation a first 650 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:05,240 Speaker 2: degree capital murder. After the arrest was made, the police 651 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 2: called Ramone's hotel room to let him know. 652 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 1: I literally sat on the edge of that bed and 653 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: tears started coming down. Tears of anger, tears of sadness. 654 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,800 Speaker 1: Not because I was still in love with this person, 655 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 1: but she didn't think about me being a son, me 656 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 1: being a father, you know, a friend, a brother, all 657 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 1: those she didn't think of. I known of that, and 658 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:41,799 Speaker 1: you're taking me away from my kids, my mother, and 659 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: my father. That hurt me a lot. 660 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 2: Ramone says the worst part of this entire betrayal was 661 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,360 Speaker 2: what happened next. He hadn't been able to talk to 662 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 2: his family for three days and explain where he was 663 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,319 Speaker 2: going or what was going on. He's the kind of 664 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 2: son who called his mom nearly every day. He knew 665 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 2: she'd be panicked, so as soon as he could, he 666 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:07,439 Speaker 2: dialed his parents' house. 667 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,879 Speaker 1: My father asks the phone, and my dad never asks 668 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 1: the phone. My dad is not a phone person. It's 669 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 1: just we'll throw what yet. And I can hear the 670 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 1: cracking in his voice. In the background, I hear my 671 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:28,239 Speaker 1: mother screaming and cry and kind of cry. You hear 672 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 1: funerals when somebody passes. 673 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,760 Speaker 2: His parents had just heard the news of Lulu's arrest, 674 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,240 Speaker 2: but they didn't know it was a setup. The only 675 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 2: thing they knew was that they hadn't heard from Ramon 676 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 2: and that his wife had just been arrested for soliciting 677 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:46,240 Speaker 2: his murder. 678 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 1: And I try to drive as fast as possible, trying 679 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,239 Speaker 1: to get to her. And when I get there, my 680 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,440 Speaker 1: dad opens the door. In my dad's eyes were bloodshot. 681 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,880 Speaker 1: I've never seen my dad cry ever. He just hugged 682 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:03,320 Speaker 1: me and I went straight to my mother. She was 683 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,279 Speaker 1: laid on the couches. She can't catch your bread then, 684 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 1: and she's crying. I said, mom, come fam okay. I 685 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,800 Speaker 1: mean I'm okay, And you know, I tried to explain 686 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:13,880 Speaker 1: to her that I was gonna be okay, but she 687 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,360 Speaker 1: still couldn't catch a bread. She was basically hyper ventilating, 688 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,719 Speaker 1: you know, because she was so anxious. 689 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 2: This is the moment that still haunts Ramone seeing his 690 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 2: own mom grieve his death. It's something few people ever 691 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 2: see and it's extremely difficult to process. 692 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,359 Speaker 1: You know, I'm their only son, and never forget that 693 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 1: it's going to be the picture that always be able. 694 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:48,680 Speaker 1: My was my dad hold myma's head telling her it's 695 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,239 Speaker 1: gonna be okay. 696 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,840 Speaker 2: Even though Lulu was being held on a million dollar bail, 697 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,439 Speaker 2: Ramon couldn't shake this fear that she'd somehow find him. 698 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,920 Speaker 1: I didn't know Flulu had a plan B or C. 699 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,960 Speaker 1: So I was sleeping with a loaded shotgun next to 700 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 1: my bed. Then I had another loaded gun on the 701 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 1: counter of my kitchen, which was a forty milimeter that 702 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,880 Speaker 1: I had a nine millimeters loaded in my vehicle at 703 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:18,879 Speaker 1: all times, ready to go. 704 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 2: In the year following Lulu's arrest, he didn't leave the 705 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 2: house unless he had to. 706 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:29,560 Speaker 3: Over time, all of that fear turned to anger. 707 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,880 Speaker 1: I had so much bottled up anger inside of me, 708 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,720 Speaker 1: my family, my kids, and my mother. All that anger 709 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,279 Speaker 1: I had it bottled up inside of me. Anybody that 710 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:44,799 Speaker 1: has gone through something so traumatic like have went through, 711 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 1: you can't live with that much anger. I couldn't continue 712 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 1: to live the way I was living with that anger 713 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,840 Speaker 1: with loaded guns around me all the time. I was 714 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,400 Speaker 1: a ticking bomb Briton. I was afraid of myself. 715 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,840 Speaker 2: After fifteen months in jail, Lulu pleaded down to second 716 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:10,399 Speaker 2: degree solicitation of capital murder. Ramone channeled his anger into 717 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 2: writing a victim impact statement to deliver at her sentence. 718 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:15,359 Speaker 3: In hearing, I. 719 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 1: Mean, I was gonna let her have it verbally of 720 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,400 Speaker 1: all the pain and anger that she had cost me 721 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 1: in my family. When they let me talk, it was packed. 722 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,839 Speaker 1: A lot of people were there, from them press I 723 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:36,840 Speaker 1: get up. I took a deep breath. I forgave this lady. 724 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,120 Speaker 3: This was about him. 725 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,560 Speaker 2: It wasn't about making Lulu feel better or letting her 726 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,960 Speaker 2: off the hook. It was about making this moment into 727 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 2: a ceremony for himself, a ceremony to release all the 728 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:50,440 Speaker 2: anger he'd been carrying. 729 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,319 Speaker 1: And once I did that, it was as if all 730 00:40:55,360 --> 00:41:00,239 Speaker 1: that anger was gone real like all that air out 731 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,800 Speaker 1: of the balloge and I was able to breathe, And 732 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,640 Speaker 1: you know, it's just life was beginning to be more 733 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:08,319 Speaker 1: normal now. 734 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,360 Speaker 2: Lulu was sentenced to twenty years, but ended up serving 735 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,040 Speaker 2: eight and a half. She was released in November of 736 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, and she'll serve another twelve years on parole. 737 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,960 Speaker 1: She's on the very very street rules with the Texas 738 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:28,040 Speaker 1: State Parole Board. She misses up, she's going right back in. 739 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,400 Speaker 2: Ramon decided to move on from the spaces they shared, 740 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,520 Speaker 2: which meant selling the house and the gym. 741 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,879 Speaker 1: It was just way too many memories. I just need 742 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:38,319 Speaker 1: to move on. 743 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:43,359 Speaker 2: As for Mundo, they're still friends today. He doesn't think 744 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,920 Speaker 2: about Lulu every day like he used to. It's in 745 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,280 Speaker 2: part because I mean love again. 746 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:57,319 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, it's just being wonderful to me. Puerto Rican too. 747 00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,920 Speaker 1: I say that because we have a lot of common 748 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:01,680 Speaker 1: because of our cultures. 749 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:06,160 Speaker 2: Ramon is determined to turn his betrayal into a positive force. 750 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,279 Speaker 2: He wrote a memoir about his experience. It's called I 751 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:14,040 Speaker 2: Walked on my Own Grave, and he wants to tell 752 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 2: his story on stage as a one man play. 753 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 1: I'm not an actor, I'm not a professional speaker. But 754 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:25,640 Speaker 1: when you speak from the heart, it means something, and 755 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 1: I think I'd like to do that. Tell my story 756 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,360 Speaker 1: on stage, the real deal, everything that happen't. 757 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,759 Speaker 2: Part of his healing process has been understanding that there's 758 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,000 Speaker 2: a term for what Lulu did to him, the terror 759 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:43,879 Speaker 2: he lived with for years afterwards. It's domestic abuse. Even 760 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,279 Speaker 2: though his story has so many twists and turns, that's 761 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,440 Speaker 2: what it boils down to his own spouse try to 762 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 2: have him killed. As you know, we end all of 763 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,279 Speaker 2: our weekly episodes with the same question, why did you 764 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,800 Speaker 2: want to tell your story? 765 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,400 Speaker 1: My hope is that my story helps men and women 766 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,600 Speaker 1: that are caught in difficult situations in their marriage. And 767 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,560 Speaker 1: I'd go through what I went through because I was 768 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:15,120 Speaker 1: a victim of the Messican Bees, and it's hard for 769 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,640 Speaker 1: people to understand that what is it mean? You're a 770 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:22,040 Speaker 1: boxer and you're this, and you're that. So I advocate, 771 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,240 Speaker 1: you know, for men that are victims for the Messican 772 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:29,560 Speaker 1: Bees to never give up get help. I mean, just 773 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,480 Speaker 1: like women, men should be getting the same type of help. 774 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,200 Speaker 3: On the next episode of Betrayal. 775 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,320 Speaker 4: Who wants to file a police report against their father? 776 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,600 Speaker 4: You know, I didn't want to put my dad in jail. 777 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,320 Speaker 4: I really didn't like I didn't want to be the 778 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:48,400 Speaker 4: kind of person who did that. 779 00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,480 Speaker 2: If you would like to reach out to the Betrayal 780 00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,720 Speaker 2: team or want to tell us your betrayal story, email 781 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,440 Speaker 2: us at Betrayal Pod at gmail dot com. 782 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,480 Speaker 3: That's Betrayal Pod at gmail dot com. 783 00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,160 Speaker 2: Also, please be sure to follow us at Glass Podcasts 784 00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:15,200 Speaker 2: on Instagram for all Betrayal content, news and updates. 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Associate producers are 795 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,640 Speaker 2: Christen Mercury and Caitlin Golden. Our iHeart team is Ali 796 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,879 Speaker 2: Perry and Jessica Krincheck. Audio editing and mixing by Matt 797 00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:02,800 Speaker 2: Delvecchio and Nico Auruka. Betrayal's theme composed by Oliver Baines. 798 00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,960 Speaker 2: Music library provided by my Music and for more podcasts 799 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:11,000 Speaker 2: from iHeart, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever 800 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:12,960 Speaker 2: you get your podcasts.