WEBVTT - #743 Packers Unscripted: Back in the win column

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from

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<v Speaker 1>Packers dot Com. I and Mike Spofford, joined as always

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<v Speaker 1>by my partner in crime, Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming to

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<v Speaker 1>you hear from our studios at lambeau Field, and Wes,

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<v Speaker 1>we are here to talk about a victory. Twenty to three.

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<v Speaker 1>The Packers defeat the Los Angeles Rams at Lambeoufield on Sunday.

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<v Speaker 1>It breaks the four game losing streak, It gets the

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<v Speaker 1>Packers record to three and five, and a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>positives to talk about from this one. Certainly, not a

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<v Speaker 1>clean game, not a pretty game. Plenty for the Packers

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<v Speaker 1>to work on. But when it comes to the things

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<v Speaker 1>that went well, I'll let you take it where you

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<v Speaker 1>want to. If you want to start on offense, defense

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<v Speaker 1>or special teams, you pick it. Let's go.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's start with Pahad. All right, let's start with this thing,

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<v Speaker 2>because I was breaking down the game as only I

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<v Speaker 2>can with my father afterwards, the original Packers on Scripted

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<v Speaker 2>and one of the big lessons I took away from this,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you brought up the fact it wasn't a

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<v Speaker 2>complete game. It wasn't a clean game. There's still things

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<v Speaker 2>to clean up with it, but the Green Bay Packers

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<v Speaker 2>finally get to do that now after a win. It

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<v Speaker 2>feels different when you do that after a win. When

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<v Speaker 2>you make mistakes, you overcome them, but you find ways forward. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I know the Los Angeles Rams didn't have Matthew Stafford.

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<v Speaker 2>I know they were missing their starting running back. I

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<v Speaker 2>know there was a lot of things working against the Rams.

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<v Speaker 2>The Green Bay Packers have had plenty working against them

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<v Speaker 2>too this season, including in this matchup. I mean, how

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<v Speaker 2>often is it, Mike, that the Green Bay Packers are

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<v Speaker 2>going to practice on Thursday and Friday and they lose

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<v Speaker 2>a starter after each of those basically where you end

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<v Speaker 2>up not having those guys available in Rudy Ford and

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<v Speaker 2>Kuway Walker. So what happens, what has to happen. Guys

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<v Speaker 2>have to step up. Isaiah McDuffie, I thought played a

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<v Speaker 2>whale of a ballgame next to Devondre Campbell Dre being back,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't that is a surprise that the run defense

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<v Speaker 2>is playing as well as it has since Campbell got

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<v Speaker 2>back in the lineup. On the back end, you lose

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<v Speaker 2>a guy like Ford who's been one of the big

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<v Speaker 2>playmakers for this team so far this season. But in

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<v Speaker 2>comes Anthony Johnson Junior, the rookie seventh round pick from

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<v Speaker 2>Iowa State who's been playing the position for just over

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<v Speaker 2>a calendar year. He makes a critical interception late jyr

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<v Speaker 2>Alexander gets over the back injury. He's making plays out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Carrington Valentine has to be thrown into the perimeter starting

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<v Speaker 2>corner position with Rasul Douglas's trade, and then if that

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't enough, Mike the only position where it seemed like

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<v Speaker 2>the Green Bay Packers were actually good on the defensive line.

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<v Speaker 2>They lose their two time Pro bowler Kenny Clark at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the first quarter. There's a lot to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about, there's a lot to dissect, but defensively, the

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<v Speaker 2>Green Bay Packers rolled with the bunches better than what

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<v Speaker 2>the Rams offense was able to do. And Mike, they

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<v Speaker 2>only gave up three points. And I said it to

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<v Speaker 2>you one of the first comments I made when I

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<v Speaker 2>came into the on Monday. I looked at NFLGSIS Green

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<v Speaker 2>Bay Packers defense going from twentieth to tenth. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the season, a lot of games left,

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<v Speaker 2>but it should remind you that in this game in

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<v Speaker 2>the National Football League, things can change in a hurry,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Green Bay Packers made sure to take advantage

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<v Speaker 2>of that opportunity on Sunday.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you really had to like what you saw from

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<v Speaker 1>the defense. And yes, it was against a backup quarterback

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<v Speaker 1>and Brett Rippon who was a bit overmatched. And as

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<v Speaker 1>we had talked about last week, the Rams were trying

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out something with their running game. With losing

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<v Speaker 1>Kyron Williams, their leading rusher, he remained on injured reserve.

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<v Speaker 1>They're trying to piece it together with a running game.

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<v Speaker 1>They were missing their starting right tackle and Rob Havenstein

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<v Speaker 1>who was a scratch at the ninety minutes before kickoff

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<v Speaker 1>with his injury, and the Packers defense. The Packers defense

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<v Speaker 1>did what it needed to do. It looked like it

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<v Speaker 1>needed to look in this type of matchup. And you

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<v Speaker 1>can't say enough about the young guys who made some

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<v Speaker 1>things happen out there. You already mentioned a couple of them,

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<v Speaker 1>with Anthony Johnson Junior stepping in at safety, with Carrington

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<v Speaker 1>Valentine stepping in at cornerback, Carl Brooks and Kolby wooden't

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<v Speaker 1>on the defensive line the two rookies there, Brooks deflects

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of passes. Wooden gets a stop on fourth

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<v Speaker 1>and two when the Rams were trying to keep a

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<v Speaker 1>drive alive. You mentioned McDuffie stepping in for kuay Walker,

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<v Speaker 1>and he stepped in previously for Devondre Campbell. Now he

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<v Speaker 1>was stepping in for kway Walker two weeks in a row.

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<v Speaker 1>Now wes the Packers run defense, and yes, against a

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<v Speaker 1>Vikings offense that was struggling to run the ball, against

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<v Speaker 1>a Rams offense that was struggling to run the ball,

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<v Speaker 1>but the Packers kept those teams struggling. And those are

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<v Speaker 1>things that over the last couple of years. Sometimes that

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't always been the case, where you go, okay, you

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<v Speaker 1>should be all right here because this team doesn't do

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<v Speaker 1>this very well, and then suddenly the profile changes. If

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<v Speaker 1>the Packers defense can continue to do what it's done

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<v Speaker 1>the last couple of weeks against the run, even if

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<v Speaker 1>maybe the rushing yards might increase against teams that run

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<v Speaker 1>the ball better, but when you're not getting gashed against

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<v Speaker 1>the run, it makes everything else look a heck of

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<v Speaker 1>a lot better.

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<v Speaker 2>And last week ten third down conversions, this week three

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry. Five third down conversions. I sounded so tough

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<v Speaker 2>when I was saying that too, and then I'd botch it.

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<v Speaker 2>But it shows you that, yeah, there's gonna be some

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<v Speaker 2>third and long completions. Certainly the Packers had some stuff

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<v Speaker 2>to clean up after that game against Minnesota, but if

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<v Speaker 2>you get the job done on the first two downs,

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<v Speaker 2>it will pay off on the money down. This game,

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<v Speaker 2>in particular, I thought was really interesting Mike, because, as

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<v Speaker 2>you said, you had to keep them struggling. I think

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<v Speaker 2>back to that game in Vegas, Raiders were really struggling

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<v Speaker 2>with the run game. Yes, you think back to this

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<v Speaker 2>past week the Raiders win, still struggling with the run

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<v Speaker 2>game somewhat. What was the two differences in that they

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<v Speaker 2>were able to run the ball well with Josh Jacobs

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<v Speaker 2>that it made a difference. The twenty four yard carry

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<v Speaker 2>Jacobs had against Green Bay made a difference. Last week

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<v Speaker 2>what he did against the Bears made a difference, and

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<v Speaker 2>it tilted the game. Brett Rippen, what he wanted more

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<v Speaker 2>than anything was for LA to establish the run and

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<v Speaker 2>be able to build off the rest of it from there.

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<v Speaker 2>Green Bay gave no quarter in this game. It didn't

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<v Speaker 2>matter if it was the runs. It didn't matter if

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<v Speaker 2>it was some of the simple screens that they were

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<v Speaker 2>trying to run, whether it was Puka, whether it was

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<v Speaker 2>Cooper Cup. They were unable to get that going. They

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<v Speaker 2>made a couple of plays throughout the course of the game,

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<v Speaker 2>but by and large Green Bay was able to dictate

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<v Speaker 2>how they wanted to play, and in addition to that,

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<v Speaker 2>they got two big takeaway opportunities. The green Bay Packers

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<v Speaker 2>converted both of those into points and ultimately came out

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<v Speaker 2>with the victory.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the thing that the thing that I liked, in

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<v Speaker 1>addition to the run defense, the other thing I liked

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<v Speaker 1>about the way the defense looked in this game is that,

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<v Speaker 1>yes it was against a backup quarterback, but you and

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<v Speaker 1>I watched the games from the press box, we can

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<v Speaker 1>see the entire field, and other than the one third

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<v Speaker 1>and long conversion that Rippin hit to Cooper Cup down

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<v Speaker 1>the scene, it was not as though we were watching

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<v Speaker 1>two very good receivers in Cup and Puka Nakua running

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<v Speaker 1>free there in the secondary and Rippin just couldn't get

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<v Speaker 1>them the ball. You know, Rippin couldn't get them the

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<v Speaker 1>ball because the Packers were making it difficult for those

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<v Speaker 1>guys to get open. And I thought with all the

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<v Speaker 1>adjustments that were being made in the secondary because of

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<v Speaker 1>the injuries, because of the trade of Douglas and all that,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that was a really positive sign moving forward

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<v Speaker 1>for this Packer secondary because you know, whenever, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>assuming Rudy Ford is not going to be out long term,

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<v Speaker 1>assuming that kay Walker's not going to be out long term,

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<v Speaker 1>but getting these young guys experience, then you know the

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<v Speaker 1>next time, the next time that something happens, even if

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<v Speaker 1>it's during a game and somebody has to miss one

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<v Speaker 1>series like John Runyan misses one series on offense, Sean

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<v Speaker 1>Ryan steps in at right guy and the Packers go

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<v Speaker 1>forty one yards for a touchdown, most of it on

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<v Speaker 1>the ground and some of it running right behind Sean Ryan,

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<v Speaker 1>who just came off the bench and stepped in for

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<v Speaker 1>some of his first NFL action. Those kinds of things

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<v Speaker 1>are important signs to see with a young team moving forward,

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<v Speaker 1>and I thought we saw a lot of them on

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<v Speaker 1>both sides of the ball in this game.

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<v Speaker 2>And while Carrington doesn't need a mentor someone to look at,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Anthony Johnson Jr. Has talked about all these

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<v Speaker 2>safeties he's learned from. But if there was actually a

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a poster child for this, I actually think

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<v Speaker 2>it is Isaiah McDuffie because this is a guy that

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<v Speaker 2>came in as a six round pick two years ago

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<v Speaker 2>and Mike every single time he plays on defense, he's

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<v Speaker 2>gotten better. And I thought in this game it was

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<v Speaker 2>pretty simple what they had to do. You had Campbell

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<v Speaker 2>taken over the mic again, he's relaying the defense, but

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<v Speaker 2>you saw McDuffie being so much more active out their vocal.

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<v Speaker 2>He made some big TFLs too. I think that five

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<v Speaker 2>yard tackle for a loss that he had was probably

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<v Speaker 2>as important as anything in that game for to pack

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<v Speaker 2>defense being able to stop them right from the get go.

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<v Speaker 2>I think in the third quarter they have had guys

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<v Speaker 2>step up. And when you do that consistently and you

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<v Speaker 2>play that role and you wear that hat numerous times,

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<v Speaker 2>you feel like a more confident football player when you

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<v Speaker 2>have to go in. And I thought, for the Packers defense,

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<v Speaker 2>you hope everything's cool with Kui here. He caught up

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<v Speaker 2>a little tight on Friday morning. He wasn't able to

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<v Speaker 2>get right with that groin injury going into this thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But the Packers have guys they can turn to, and

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<v Speaker 2>ultimately I think that's what helped them win this football game.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, on the offensive side of the ball, a

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<v Speaker 1>much more uneven performance. You know, there were plenty of

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<v Speaker 1>the miscues that we have seen in recent weeks that

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<v Speaker 1>have gotten frustrating quite frankly, for the fans, for the coaches,

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<v Speaker 1>for the players, for everybody, whether you know, for whatever reason.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a discussion for another day, But like this lining

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<v Speaker 1>up off sides on fourth and one thing that suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>the league has decided apparently that they're going to call

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<v Speaker 1>every every inch of the neutral zone in that regard.

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<v Speaker 1>But even setting those aside, which were crucial penalties because

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<v Speaker 1>the Packers had converted both of those fourth and one sneaks,

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<v Speaker 1>but there were other penalties. There were the two fumbles,

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<v Speaker 1>one by Dontavian Wicks, one by Aaron Jones. There were

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<v Speaker 1>missed opportunities to put points on the board earlier in

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<v Speaker 1>the game, to try to stretch out the lead earlier

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<v Speaker 1>in the game, whether it's you know, Malik Heath dropped

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<v Speaker 1>a pass, Jordan Love took a sack on you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a play where there was good protection and in that situation,

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<v Speaker 1>late in the first half. You can't take a sack

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<v Speaker 1>there and you know, and and hurt yourself. Andras Carlson

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<v Speaker 1>unfortunately missed a field goal at the end of the

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<v Speaker 1>first half. So there were there's there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that the Packers are going to be looking at

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<v Speaker 1>this week to continue to clean up moving forward. That

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<v Speaker 1>being said, the offense got a touchdown in the first

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<v Speaker 1>half for the first time since Week two. They found

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<v Speaker 1>the end zone. The ground game with Aaron Jones back

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<v Speaker 1>to a a full complement of snaps, not being held

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<v Speaker 1>back on a pitch count, whatever you want to say.

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron Jones was a focal point of this offense, and

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<v Speaker 1>between Jones and Dylan and then some clean up yards

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<v Speaker 1>late from Emmanuel Wilson, the ground game churned out over

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and eighty rushing yards. And so how does

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<v Speaker 1>this happen, Wes, Well, it's because it's because even with

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<v Speaker 1>the mistakes that were made and the opportunities that were missed,

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<v Speaker 1>the Packers weren't playing in some desperation ketchup mode two

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<v Speaker 1>minute hurry up offense for the entire second half. Matt

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<v Speaker 1>Lafleur made the comment on Monday, they were in their

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<v Speaker 1>normal offensive plan throughout the course of the game, and

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<v Speaker 1>the vast majority of the mistakes were made in the

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<v Speaker 1>first half beginning of the second half, and then when

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<v Speaker 1>they started to find themselves, it wasn't just because they

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<v Speaker 1>were in desperation hurry up mode. It's because they started

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<v Speaker 1>to execute and they started to move the ball consistently.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, you don't want to settle for two field

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<v Speaker 1>goals in the red zone there in the second half,

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<v Speaker 1>but you had to take those field goals because the

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<v Speaker 1>score was only seven to three. You stretch it to

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen to three, you get a two score lead. Lots

0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:12.560
<v Speaker 1>still for the offense to work on. But the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that they got to play a four quarter game off

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<v Speaker 1>of the call sheet, so to speak. I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>something that could be really important for this for this

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<v Speaker 1>young offense moving forward.

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<v Speaker 2>I wholeheartedly agree. And for the Packers' offense. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know the statistics, but you can make an argument that

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<v Speaker 2>might have been one of their worst third quarters, if

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<v Speaker 2>not their worst third quarter of the season. But why

0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:35.800
<v Speaker 2>did they survive? Yeah, they got that touchdown in the

0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:38.400
<v Speaker 2>second quarter that certainly helped. Yeah, but it was also

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<v Speaker 2>the way the defense picked them up there it. Don

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<v Speaker 2>Caper's always called it adversity defense. Matt Lafleur threw a

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<v Speaker 2>different one out on I can't remember what he called

0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:47.520
<v Speaker 2>it of have to look it up, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Capers also used to call it a sudden change

0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:54.840
<v Speaker 1>sudden change defense as well, like he would use both.

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<v Speaker 1>He would use both terms. But yes, the Packers' defense

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<v Speaker 1>responded in a couple of tough when the game was

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<v Speaker 1>just seven to three in the third quarter and could

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<v Speaker 1>have flipped, could have turned the other direction. The Packers

0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:10.120
<v Speaker 1>defense didn't allow that to happen, which allowed the offense

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<v Speaker 1>to find itself.

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<v Speaker 2>And the coolest thing that happened. I mentioned it on Twitter,

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<v Speaker 2>I know. Aaron Nagler tweeted out the video. Two. Dantavian

0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:23.320
<v Speaker 2>Wicks has just a rookie mistake, just a regrettable gaff

0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:25.840
<v Speaker 2>to start the second half. Get a fifty one yard

0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:28.480
<v Speaker 2>kickoff return from Keyshawn Nixon, the longest of the season.

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<v Speaker 2>You're starting at midfield. Yep, the Packers have the most

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<v Speaker 2>dominant third quarter offense in the league. Right now, you

0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:37.200
<v Speaker 2>think everything's going to be going swimmingly, Wix ends up

0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:39.680
<v Speaker 2>fumbling trying to extend for the first down, doesn't get

0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:41.960
<v Speaker 2>touched down, so the ball ends up being rolled to fumble.

0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:46.280
<v Speaker 2>He's walking to the sideline, his head is down. Aaron

0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:49.920
<v Speaker 2>Jones quite literally pulls his head back up and talks

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<v Speaker 2>to him. Yeah, the next series happens, starts raining a

0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:56.599
<v Speaker 2>little bit. Maybe Aaron doesn't have the right gloves on

0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:59.120
<v Speaker 2>at that point. Be that as it may. He fumbles,

0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:02.160
<v Speaker 2>they lose. The amount of guys that were coming over

0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:05.600
<v Speaker 2>to him on the sideline lift them up. A team

0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:08.679
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't have a solid foundation, doesn't have a culture,

0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:12.480
<v Speaker 2>has a pointing fingers mentality. I don't know what happens

0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:15.120
<v Speaker 2>in the fourth quarter, right, but the green Bay Packers

0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:18.559
<v Speaker 2>kept their head amongst themselves defensively, I think they were

0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:21.800
<v Speaker 2>feeling dominant and they executed the way they needed to execute.

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<v Speaker 2>And best of all, Mike, what I love the most

0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:26.800
<v Speaker 2>to close on this offensive point, you were talking about

0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:29.520
<v Speaker 2>how they stayed within the game plan from beginning to end.

0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:33.440
<v Speaker 2>I would offer to you the touchdown passed to Luke

0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:36.680
<v Speaker 2>Musgrave in the fourth quarter doesn't happen if Green Bay

0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:39.400
<v Speaker 2>isn't building towards what they were doing earlier in the game.

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<v Speaker 2>The pony package was back on that particular play to Musgrave.

0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:46.120
<v Speaker 2>They have Jones going out left, they have a screen

0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:48.880
<v Speaker 2>set up to Dylan on the right. They're challenging those

0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:50.800
<v Speaker 2>linebackers that to make a decision with where they're going

0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:54.240
<v Speaker 2>to cover, and when the inside linebacker breaks, that's what

0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:57.520
<v Speaker 2>opens up the sea for Luke Musgrave. Musgrave made two

0:14:57.640 --> 0:14:59.880
<v Speaker 2>huge catches in this game. The touchdown was one of them.

0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:02.240
<v Speaker 2>Downfield pass was also one of those plays that him

0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:05.120
<v Speaker 2>and Love weren't connecting on earlier this season. Three catches,

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<v Speaker 2>fifty one yards and his first touchdown. Packers closed this

0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:10.320
<v Speaker 2>game out the way they need to close it, and

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<v Speaker 2>you hope that's something they can build on now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that final touchdown drive. The other thing I

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<v Speaker 1>mean that the double fake screen and the slip of

0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:22.320
<v Speaker 1>Musgrave over the middle. That's the thing of beauty. It's

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<v Speaker 1>actually it's one of my bonus plays in what you

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<v Speaker 1>might have missed, which is on the site, I kind

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<v Speaker 1>of diagram.

0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:29.360
<v Speaker 2>Gave some extra to the fans.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I kind of diagram what to look for on

0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:36.040
<v Speaker 1>the defense in terms of how that happens. Because it's

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<v Speaker 1>really interesting because you have you have the two inside

0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:42.640
<v Speaker 1>linebackers who are in the middle of the field. When

0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:47.080
<v Speaker 1>Aaron Jones goes in that looping motion behind the shotgun quarterback,

0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:51.000
<v Speaker 1>those guys start to shift toward Jones. Then at the snap,

0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:54.760
<v Speaker 1>with the lineman and aj Dillon leaking out the other

0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:57.680
<v Speaker 1>way to set up a screen, they both over commit

0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:01.120
<v Speaker 1>to the other way and then to Muskgrave's credit, and

0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:03.440
<v Speaker 1>this is kind of something that Matt Lafleur had talked

0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:06.200
<v Speaker 1>about in the past in terms of learning the nuances

0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:09.680
<v Speaker 1>and the timing of everything, Musgrave sells his block on

0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:14.720
<v Speaker 1>the edge rusher long enough to allow those linebackers to commit,

0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:18.000
<v Speaker 1>and then he slips in behind him if he if

0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:21.240
<v Speaker 1>he gets over anxious, which young players do. Jaden Reed

0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:23.600
<v Speaker 1>got over anxious in the slot and fall started when

0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:25.040
<v Speaker 1>he was going to get the slant pass at the

0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:27.880
<v Speaker 1>end of the first half. It happens right if they

0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:30.480
<v Speaker 1>get If you get over anxious and you blow the

0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:33.240
<v Speaker 1>timing of it, you're not going to be as open.

0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:35.480
<v Speaker 1>And that's a much tougher throw for Jordan Love and

0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:39.040
<v Speaker 1>it probably doesn't, you know, rupture into into a touchdown.

0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:41.720
<v Speaker 1>But with everything happening, he timed it right and the

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<v Speaker 1>two deep safeties. They're so concerned about seeing two running

0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:49.360
<v Speaker 1>backs both split and two wide receivers both split, that

0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:53.040
<v Speaker 1>the two deep deep safeties kind of open things up

0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:57.680
<v Speaker 1>as well, and that's what leaves leaves that lane for

0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:01.360
<v Speaker 1>Luke Musgrave to score. The other thing before that, I

0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:03.800
<v Speaker 1>think that was really important, though, was the thirty seven

0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:09.160
<v Speaker 1>yard catch by Christian Watson. I mean not just for Love,

0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:12.960
<v Speaker 1>not just for Watson, but for this entire offense to

0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:16.720
<v Speaker 1>make an explosive play like that in an important situation.

0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:20.880
<v Speaker 1>It was on a third down. The score is thirteen

0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:24.159
<v Speaker 1>to three at that point, so ten point game. You know,

0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:26.720
<v Speaker 1>in the fourth quarter, the game is certainly not over

0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:29.160
<v Speaker 1>at that point. There are all kinds of metrics out there.

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<v Speaker 1>We've talked about it, Wes. With regard to the Packers

0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:35.800
<v Speaker 1>haven't made those plays for Jordan Love, for this offense,

0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:39.480
<v Speaker 1>the contested catches haven't been there. Christian Watson made a

0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:41.960
<v Speaker 1>heck of a one that looked like the Christian Watson

0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:45.000
<v Speaker 1>who was making his share of contested catches as a

0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:49.919
<v Speaker 1>rookie when he went on that scoring binge last November.

0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:52.360
<v Speaker 1>Those are the kinds of things when you talk when

0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:55.800
<v Speaker 1>you talk about building and growing and stacking and everything

0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:58.200
<v Speaker 1>that you want to say about about all the young

0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:01.000
<v Speaker 1>players on this offense with a first year starting quarterback.

0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:03.720
<v Speaker 1>Those are the kinds of things that just, I mean,

0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:05.919
<v Speaker 1>you can't You're not gonna be able to replicate it

0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:07.920
<v Speaker 1>every single week. I mean, it's a it's a deep

0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:10.640
<v Speaker 1>ball downfield, it's a one on one play, Christian Watson

0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:13.240
<v Speaker 1>went up and made it. But it's the it's the

0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:16.679
<v Speaker 1>kind of thing that just it It provides a foundation,

0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:21.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, psychologically, there's a there's a confidence level to

0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:24.480
<v Speaker 1>everybody when those plays get made every once in a

0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:26.879
<v Speaker 1>while instead of every time that deep ball goes up

0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:29.280
<v Speaker 1>and it's a contested play and then oh it's incomplete

0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:31.440
<v Speaker 1>and everybody kind of sighs like, oh, it didn't work

0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:34.399
<v Speaker 1>that time. Right. Those are the kinds of things that

0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:37.639
<v Speaker 1>we saw in this game that hopefully the Packers can

0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:41.080
<v Speaker 1>build on them push things forward, because, as we're going

0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:44.080
<v Speaker 1>to talk about on our next show, the competition is

0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:47.480
<v Speaker 1>the competition on the schedule is getting stiffer here over

0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:49.040
<v Speaker 1>the next month, and the Packers are going to have

0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:51.639
<v Speaker 1>to play better than they did against the Rams if

0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:54.680
<v Speaker 1>they want to stack another victory to chalk up another one.

0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:57.159
<v Speaker 1>But it feels like they have so much more to

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<v Speaker 1>build on now.

0:18:57.840 --> 0:19:01.439
<v Speaker 2>They do. And for that particular play for Jordan and Christian,

0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:04.280
<v Speaker 2>I think is important because yeah, everyone looks at the

0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:07.919
<v Speaker 2>speed and the vertical and all that stuff, but Christian

0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:10.080
<v Speaker 2>Watson just went and made a football play, got a

0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:12.119
<v Speaker 2>little banged up on it. It sounds like from what

0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:15.040
<v Speaker 2>Matt Lafore said on Monday, he is okay, no concussion.

0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:18.800
<v Speaker 2>But I love the way he played that ball, in

0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:22.119
<v Speaker 2>the aggressiveness he showed because I think Christian Watson knows

0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:24.680
<v Speaker 2>he's six foot four, two hundred and eight pounds or whatever,

0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:27.720
<v Speaker 2>but he made the defense back feel it on that play, yep.

0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:30.080
<v Speaker 2>And understanding that hey, if I'm this big of a

0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:32.359
<v Speaker 2>human being and I can have a vertical in that

0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:35.000
<v Speaker 2>forty range or whatever he's at, I can get up

0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:36.480
<v Speaker 2>there and make that play. I think that's what makes

0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:39.160
<v Speaker 2>them special. And for the Packers last sale, just close

0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:42.600
<v Speaker 2>on this another reminder two of what Romeo Dobbs gives

0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:45.120
<v Speaker 2>this offense. Because Dobbs' stats are not going to jump

0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:47.000
<v Speaker 2>off the page at you, but he was just as

0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:49.040
<v Speaker 2>integral to that win with some of the third down

0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:50.800
<v Speaker 2>plays he made, some of the plays he made when

0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:53.480
<v Speaker 2>Jordan Love needed to get the ball to him. And

0:19:53.880 --> 0:19:55.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't think there's a better pass catcher on this

0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:56.879
<v Speaker 2>team right now than Romeo Dobbs.

0:19:57.040 --> 0:20:01.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's he's been, he's certainly been been the most reliable.

0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:04.280
<v Speaker 1>And yes, some of the third downplays he made in

0:20:04.280 --> 0:20:08.480
<v Speaker 1>this game where we're highlight reel worthy. For sure. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>better quickly before we go, just taking a look around.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked last Thursday heading into the weekend of how

0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:45.280
<v Speaker 1>many really intriguing big matchups there were in the NFL

0:20:46.359 --> 0:20:49.320
<v Speaker 1>in Week nine, and as it turned out, it was

0:20:50.200 --> 0:20:53.040
<v Speaker 1>the home team's holding serve in all these big matchups.

0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:56.280
<v Speaker 1>The Baltimore Ravens really took it to the Seattle Seahawks.

0:20:56.640 --> 0:21:00.560
<v Speaker 1>The Philadelphia Eagles defended their home turf against the Dallas Cowboys.

0:21:00.560 --> 0:21:03.400
<v Speaker 1>The Cowboys going from what was it, first and goal

0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:06.320
<v Speaker 1>on the six yard line with twenty seven seconds to

0:21:06.400 --> 0:21:08.760
<v Speaker 1>go and a chance to win, they go from that

0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:11.480
<v Speaker 1>to throwing basically like a hail Mary to try to

0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:13.880
<v Speaker 1>win the I mean, it was just an incredible, hard,

0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:17.840
<v Speaker 1>incredibly bad sequence when they had a chance to post

0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:22.400
<v Speaker 1>a big time victory and the Cincinnati Bengals hold serve

0:21:22.440 --> 0:21:25.920
<v Speaker 1>at home over the Buffalo Bills in a big matchup

0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:30.440
<v Speaker 1>in the AFC. Home field doesn't always, but this past week,

0:21:30.480 --> 0:21:32.679
<v Speaker 1>homefield mattered. In the NFL, it definitely did.

0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:35.119
<v Speaker 2>And as I forecasted on Thursday's episode, you can go

0:21:35.160 --> 0:21:37.280
<v Speaker 2>back and look at it. I told everybody Tampa Bay

0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:40.120
<v Speaker 2>and Houston, man, this is a must see television game.

0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:42.439
<v Speaker 2>Wherever you are, sit your children down watch it. It's

0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:44.200
<v Speaker 2>gonna be the best game of the season. And lo

0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:47.280
<v Speaker 2>and behold that's how it turned out. But no, I mean,

0:21:47.320 --> 0:21:49.639
<v Speaker 2>c J. Stroud, I mean that's a Rookie of the

0:21:49.720 --> 0:21:51.119
<v Speaker 2>Year type performance, and.

0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:55.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean broke the NFL rookie record for passing yards

0:21:55.480 --> 0:21:57.360
<v Speaker 1>in a game. I mean they Holy cow.

0:21:57.480 --> 0:21:59.120
<v Speaker 2>You know how I was talking with Rippin about how

0:21:59.160 --> 0:22:01.080
<v Speaker 2>he was hoping that you get the run game going.

0:22:01.720 --> 0:22:04.320
<v Speaker 2>Stroud did not have that. Texans could not run the

0:22:04.320 --> 0:22:07.080
<v Speaker 2>football against Tampa's defense. It was all on the rookie

0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:10.760
<v Speaker 2>and he performed like a top draft pick. An exciting

0:22:10.760 --> 0:22:14.680
<v Speaker 2>football game. The former Packers running back Badger's.

0:22:14.280 --> 0:22:17.080
<v Speaker 1>Yes Starry a Goobawale. He made a field goal, made

0:22:17.240 --> 0:22:19.960
<v Speaker 1>the the yeah had to step in for the injured kicker,

0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:23.359
<v Speaker 1>and drilled the twenty nine yarder, which and hey, that

0:22:23.480 --> 0:22:25.359
<v Speaker 1>was in the second half, Like there was there was

0:22:25.400 --> 0:22:27.040
<v Speaker 1>a lot, there was a lot of the line on

0:22:27.080 --> 0:22:30.080
<v Speaker 1>that kick, and a goomble Walle put it through, no

0:22:30.160 --> 0:22:30.480
<v Speaker 1>doubt her.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but just quickly, You're absolutely right about the home

0:22:33.680 --> 0:22:37.600
<v Speaker 2>field advantage and everything. The Baltimore Ravens just ran over Seattle.

0:22:37.640 --> 0:22:40.760
<v Speaker 2>That was incredible to watch. But I want to touch

0:22:40.760 --> 0:22:42.639
<v Speaker 2>on this because I think this is important for Packer

0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:45.920
<v Speaker 2>fans to realize the vikings. In one of the situations

0:22:45.960 --> 0:22:48.880
<v Speaker 2>where the home team didn't come through, Josh Dobbs shows up,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, minutes before the game.

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<v Speaker 1>Unbelievable plays is hard out.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean some of the stuff that they were saying

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of how Kevin O'Connell was relaying the play

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<v Speaker 2>calls and basically having to explain the play calls yeah

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<v Speaker 2>to do and then him, you know, just doing some

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<v Speaker 2>incredible stuff to make plays happy.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and and the fact that he did that, all

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<v Speaker 1>the plays that he made in the second half to

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<v Speaker 1>pull that game out for the Vikings. When you look

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<v Speaker 1>at the highlights of that game when he first came

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<v Speaker 1>in and during the it was a disaster. They were

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<v Speaker 1>turning the ball over. The Falcons simply couldn't get any

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<v Speaker 1>touchdowns off of those turnovers. They kept kicking field goals

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<v Speaker 1>and kept the Vikings in the game. And then when

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<v Speaker 1>Dobbs kind of settled down and you know, stopped, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>stop putting the ball in harm's way the way he

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<v Speaker 1>was early on, and got the Vikings offense moving, then

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly they pull it out at the end. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely incredible, incredible victory by the Minnesota Vikings, and it

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<v Speaker 1>looks like they've found their quarterback for the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty twenty three seasons.

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<v Speaker 2>And seeing where it takes them this year. But just

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<v Speaker 2>very quickly. I mean, you have two juggernauts. I would

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<v Speaker 2>say right now in the NFC, you got failing, you

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<v Speaker 2>got Detroit Detroit. You give him the credit for winning

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<v Speaker 2>the games. They're already at six wins. It may only

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<v Speaker 2>take nine to make the playoffs. And this thing be fewer.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see. But with the with the Vikings beating the Falcons,

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<v Speaker 2>with the Saints a very methodical victory over Chicago, they're

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<v Speaker 2>now atop their division. Dallas loses again, they're at five

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<v Speaker 2>and three. You have the forty nine ers at five

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<v Speaker 2>or three. This is a wide open field right now.

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<v Speaker 2>In the NFC. I know you don't talk about playoffs

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<v Speaker 2>until you get to ten wins. I stick to Mike

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<v Speaker 2>McCarthy's old apps. You know, it's maximum on.

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<v Speaker 1>That bobbly in the seventeen game season. Now you can

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<v Speaker 1>say nine.

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<v Speaker 2>Nine probably works. Yeah, but be that as it may.

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<v Speaker 1>Seventh playoff spot. I should say, as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, but I mean be that as it may.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's another reminder that Packers have played good football.

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<v Speaker 2>They played bad football. They are what their record says

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<v Speaker 2>they are. But my goodness, it only takes a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of weeks to pull yourself back into this thing, especially

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<v Speaker 2>in the age Now that seventh playoff game.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, well, the Packers have a big one to

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<v Speaker 1>see if they can actually start a winning streak heading

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<v Speaker 1>to Pittsburgh, a team that is very intriguing. We will

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<v Speaker 1>talk lot about the Steelers on our next show. They

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<v Speaker 1>are having one of the more interesting, head scratching yet

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<v Speaker 1>intriguing seasons that we've seen an NFL team have in

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<v Speaker 1>quite some time, and we will definitely get to that

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<v Speaker 1>on our next episode, but for now, we'll call it

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<v Speaker 1>a rap. On this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure

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<v Speaker 1>to follow all of our coverage of the team. Lots

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<v Speaker 1>of content review of the previous game we'll have previewing

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<v Speaker 1>the next game coming up. Lots of stuff for you

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<v Speaker 1>this week on Packers dot com for Wes, I'm Mike.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for tuning in, everybody. We will see you

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<v Speaker 1>next time.