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Speaker 3: Morrow as well too.

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Speaker 2: So we with that being said, here we open up

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Speaker 2: the show talking about Kirk Cousins, who on the latest

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Speaker 2: edition of Netflix's Quarterback Season two, he discussed how he

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Speaker 2: felt a little bit misled by the Atlanta Falcons in

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Speaker 2: drafting Michael Pennix Junior, the quarterback out of Washington, in

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Speaker 2: the first round after Kirk Cousins signed his big deal there.

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Speaker 4: I wasn't expecting us to take a quarterback was so

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Speaker 4: high at the time, it felt like I had been

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Speaker 4: a little bit misled, or certainly, if I had the

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Speaker 4: information around free agency, it certainly would have affected my decision.

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Speaker 4: I had no reason to leave Minnesota, how much we

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Speaker 4: drafting a quarterback high. But I've also learned in twelve

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Speaker 4: all about being able to earn your spot and prove yourself.

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Speaker 2: So that was Kirk Cousins not thrilled with the handling

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Speaker 2: drafting a quarterback after giving him all that money to

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Speaker 2: beat the guy there and what a stayed put in Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: But the damn Atlanta Falcons decided, Hey, we'll throw you

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Speaker 3: You'll be our guy, only to lo and behold.

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Speaker 2: Do the same thing the Minnesota Vikings did and take

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Speaker 3: I mean, I can't understand where he's coming from. You

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Speaker 3: felt misled. I can get that, And if what the

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Speaker 3: moving forward with them, then you made you made a decision. Listen,

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Speaker 3: Michael Pennix was taken with the eighth overall pick in

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Speaker 3: bow Knicks and Michael Pennix still available. Now, your boys

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Speaker 3: saw something more in bow Knicks. Champagne saw something more

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Speaker 3: to get him from. Michael Pennix is a great unknown

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Speaker 3: because while he is a really, really fine quarterback, he

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Speaker 3: He was there. The Atlanta Falcons had just picked up

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Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins you have a starter. But if Minnesota saw

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Speaker 3: to eventually in the near future one to two years, Right,

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Speaker 2: after they made the pick, was looking around going, really,

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Speaker 2: you just signed Kirk Cousins and you're drafting a quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Atlanta's reasoning was, we don't plan on drafting this high

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Speaker 3: If you're projecting out and you're Atlanta and you're in

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Speaker 3: year two or year three that rookie would have had

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Speaker 3: and that'd be cam Ward. I like Dart, Think Dart

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Speaker 3: name another one that bona fide and this year's pad,

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Speaker 3: this past draft that oh we're going to pass up

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Speaker 3: Michael Pennix is right here, sitting here at the eighth pick,

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Speaker 3: them up. What would have been the other option? Why peel?

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Speaker 3: Why pheel? Let down? Why feel misled? It was there?

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Speaker 3: You got a guy that that can learn and sit

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Speaker 3: behind you, just like Jordan Love did. As soon as

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Speaker 3: There shouldn't have been any issue with that.

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Speaker 2: I think this is this is more telling of the

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Speaker 2: fact that he didn't really want to leave me.

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Speaker 3: Come on, man, now that's not now you're preaching to

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Speaker 3: the sod, preach to the pews, peach preach to the people,

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Speaker 3: because that's the real point here.

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Speaker 2: There was there was some discussion that the appeal of

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Speaker 2: Atlanta was the fact that his wife's family was from there,

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Speaker 2: and Kirk Cousins decided to have a conversation with Vikings.

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Speaker 2: They told him, we're going to draft a guy, and

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Speaker 3: He was probably the guy. He was probably by the

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Speaker 2: And so then you start to hear this report that

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Speaker 2: talking about JJ McCarthy, who was drafted by the Vikings

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Speaker 2: last year. After Pennix and Alec Lewis of The Athletic writes,

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Speaker 2: the Vikings toss JJ McCarthy the keys to the Ferrari.

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Speaker 2: The directive is simple, take what's there. No need to

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Speaker 2: be a hero. Expecting McCarthy to be perfect would be foolish.

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Speaker 2: Thinking he'll thrive on intermediate routes and anticipatory throws is fair.

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Speaker 2: Most everyone who has spent meaningful time around him raves

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Speaker 2: about him. How he looks will be one of the

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Speaker 2: biggest stories of the NFL season. Here's the other possible

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Speaker 2: big story of the NFL season. If Kirk Cousins feels

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Speaker 2: this way about the situation. And Kirk Cousins pointed out

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Speaker 2: and it was pretty obvious, basically having to learn a

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Speaker 2: they feel like they've got a Super Bowl contending team

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Speaker 2: Minnesota maybe potentially contacting Atlanta and being like, what would

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Speaker 2: it take if like the idea of, well, you know,

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Speaker 2: if you don't have JJ McCarthy performing, we've got somebody

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Speaker 2: if there's an injury, if he's not performing well, Atlanta's

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Speaker 2: still holding on to Kirk Cousins. They picked up his

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Speaker 2: Minnesota might get desperate, and Kirk Cousins might ultimately get

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's a dream scenario for Kirk Cousins, if

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Speaker 3: it were to play out in that manner, is it likely?

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's likely. Now, is it possible? Anything

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Speaker 2: Because they Minnesota and JJ McCarthy's the envy of I

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Speaker 2: how set up and ready to go they are.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And it's almost like, hey, just don't screw it up.

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Speaker 2: Yes, But if he did, and you're Kevin O'Connell and

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Speaker 2: you have this great relationship with Kirk Cousins, and he's

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Speaker 2: basically telling you what is screwing.

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Speaker 3: It up and how far like, how far along are

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Speaker 2: They're they're in this weird spot because they can compete,

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Speaker 2: especially in the NFC, especially in that division, like they

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Speaker 2: we can compete to win. I don't know how patient

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Speaker 2: they really want to be if he's going through those

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Speaker 2: growing pains. I mean, if it looks like bad, if

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Speaker 2: it looks awful, I just I wonder if they would

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Speaker 2: look right. We need to bring in a veteran here

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Speaker 2: and let's sit JJ McCarthy down and give him an opportunity.

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Speaker 2: Understanding you're running the risk of potentially damaging his confidence

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Speaker 2: moving forward. I just can't imagine the Vikings are going

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Speaker 3: This is the problem I have with this microwave as

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Speaker 2: Here on Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox in

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Speaker 2: this makes way too much sense. There were some people

435
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 2: looking at it going, yeah, but you know, they missed

436
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 2: out on Dan Marino, they should have drafted him, and

437
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 2: now they've got Kenny Pickett, so maybe they'll this will

438
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 2: undo you know, kind of half kidding, maybe this will

439
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 2: undo the wrong of not drafting Dan Marino and bring

440
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 2: it in Kenny Pickett and then you see how it

441
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 2: plays out. And it was one of those situations where

442
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 2: be careful what you wish for you just might get it.

443
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 2: It didn't work. And whether you want to blame Matt Canada,

444
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 2: the offensive coordinator, which was people were very critical of him,

445
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 2: not happy with the way.

446
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 3: That he was probably a well placed assessment and a

447
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 3: well placed conclusion that Canada wasn't the guy.

448
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 2: But there was also the incident that took place I

449
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 2: think in Seattle, and Mark Madden, the radio host in Pittsburgh,

450
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 2: was pointing this out at the time that Kenny Pickett

451
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 2: had an opportunity late in the year there as the

452
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 2: Steelers are trying to make a push for the playoffs

453
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 2: to suit up, but he wasn't going to start, and

454
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 2: Kenny Pickett opted not to suit up. Now there's Kenny

455
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 2: Pickett's refuted that, but there's enough people there that are like, no,

456
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 2: he chose not to play and that didn't sit well

457
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 2: with Mike Tomlin and with other members of the organization there.

458
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,199
Speaker 2: And so whether you want to blame it on what

459
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 2: wasn't around Kenny Pickett or not, it just was bad

460
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 2: from the get go. It didn't work, like there wasn't

461
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 2: like Kenny Pickett. That wasn't the best situation for him,

462
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 2: and Kenny Pickett wasn't the best quarterback in that situation

463
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 2: for the Steelers through and through. But it does further

464
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 2: the fact that at quarterback they've been a mess for

465
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 2: a long time. And we've discussed the Russell Wilson, Justin

466
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 2: Field stuff, the Kenny Pickett, Mason Rudolph. This goes back

467
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 2: to Ben Roethlisberger second to last year, maybe the last

468
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 2: time they've had legitimate quarterback play. And there's all sorts

469
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 2: of fingers that could be pointed in all sorts of

470
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 2: different directions. But it's why I made the point yesterday.

471
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Speaker 2: Man If Justin Fields goes out there and looks the

472
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Speaker 2: part that everyone thinks that he has the potential to

473
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Speaker 2: do so and say, Russell Wilson, as you laid out,

474
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 2: looks the part in New York with the Giants, all

475
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 2: of the questions are going to be asked of Mike

476
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 2: Tomlin and all the fingers are going to be pointing

477
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 2: in the direction of the Steelers quarterback or Steelers handling

478
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 2: of development developing quarterbacks there since Ben Roethlisberger. And it's

479
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 2: a problem because we're looking at close to a decade,

480
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 2: we're getting close where they have not had an answer

481
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 2: at that position, the most important position in the sport.

482
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Speaker 3: You know what's interesting, Le'Veon Bell was the best running

483
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 3: back you've had since the bus when when Ben Roethlisberger

484
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 3: came into the league, he was able to be developed

485
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 3: in a scheme where they had one of the best

486
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 3: defenses ever in the history of the game, one of

487
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 3: the top defenses in there for discussion, and you had

488
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 3: a very very elite group of leaders in that locker

489
00:27:53,160 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 3: room on offense, mainly mainly Jerome Bettis the the support

490
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 3: of having a running game with Jerome Bettist and Willie Parker,

491
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 3: you'll remember Fast Willie. Yeah, you had Willie Parker, and

492
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 3: you had an offensive line that was outstanding. You had

493
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 3: receivers and Heinz Ward and Santonio Holmes, guys like that

494
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 3: that were elite and outstanding. When you look at where

495
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 3: this team is from where they won that Super Bowl

496
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 3: where they went on the road and won, and then

497
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 3: they came back and were able to do it again

498
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 3: against against the Arizona Cardinals, this was a team that

499
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 3: had such a structured leadership that allowed the growth and

500
00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 3: allowed for Ben Roethlisberger to ease and settle in to

501
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 3: being the quarterback that he would eventually become Kenny Pickett

502
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,959
Speaker 3: did not have that luxury. Now you don't have like

503
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 3: Naje Harris pretty good running back, not elite. Mendenhall pretty

504
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 3: good running back, not elite. Le'Veon Bell was the best

505
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 3: that you had, and that fell off of the tracks.

506
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 3: Antonio Brown with that whole, Mike Wallace and all those guys.

507
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 3: It was a real golden period for receivers in Pittsburgh

508
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 3: for a time. That doesn't seem to be the case lately.

509
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 3: You don't seem to see an established guy, even Pickens

510
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 3: being as good as he was. You don't see the

511
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 3: established leadership on this team that Ben Roethlisberger was brought into,

512
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 3: not on the defensive side of the ball. While I'll

513
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 3: give Cam Hayward a of credit for being a great leader,

514
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know how well TJ. Watt leads.

515
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm sure he's a great leader, find

516
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 3: leader of men. I'm not sure the other guys on

517
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 3: that unit. But you never had to question it in

518
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 3: years past, whether it was Joey Porter and James Ferrier

519
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 3: and and you know, James Harrison or to to you know,

520
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 3: guys like I mean, if you want to go back

521
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 3: before them. You're talking about guys like Greg Lloyd and

522
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 3: Kevin Green and Levon Kirkland and guys like that. You

523
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 3: have always had defined leadership at those positions. At the

524
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 3: receiver's position, You've always had an anchor guy. At the

525
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 3: running backs position. You've always had an anchor guy. On

526
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 3: the defensive linebackers, defensive ends, and the secondary. You have

527
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 3: always had defined guys, whether it was Troy Polamalu or

528
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 3: it was Rod Woodson than Cornell Lake or Darren Perry.

529
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 3: The bottom line here is we're pinpointing a position as

530
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 3: a failure to launch. But there's really a bigger issue

531
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 3: going on in Pittsburgh right now, and it's the total

532
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 3: hold of what the fabric of this Pittsburgh Steelers team is.

533
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 3: You don't have what has been the winning solution and

534
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 3: the winning recipe. You have some of the pieces of

535
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 3: the recipe, but it does not taste like what it's

536
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 3: tasted like in years past. Even when they didn't win

537
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 3: Super Bowls, they didn't win Super Bowls with Greg Lloyd

538
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 3: and Kevin Green in them. They lost to the Dallas Cowboys.

539
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 3: I remember where I was at upset. I remember those days.

540
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 3: But they were close every year AFC championship games, make

541
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 3: it to the Super Bowl, they were close every year.

542
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 3: They've digressed and that approach. They have not been that competitive.

543
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 3: And they in a lot of ways were able to

544
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 3: benefit from Ben Roethlisberger being in an environment and around

545
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 3: players that were elite. Yeah, nobody has had that in

546
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 3: recent years as a quarterback in Pittsburgh. So it's very

547
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 3: difficult to say you got to pinpoint the quarterback as

548
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 3: the problem in Pittsburgh. It is the play calling, but

549
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 3: it is ultimately the players that are in that locker

550
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 3: room as well.

551
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 2: And Roethlisberger was destabilizing. He was sort of the consistency

552
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 2: from one coaching regime to the next because he was

553
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 2: at the end of Bill Cower, he was at the

554
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 2: beginning of Mike Tomlin, and then he's not there anymore,

555
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 2: and now you're just looking around, going all right, so

556
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 2: what is the plan? Because to your point, they were

557
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 2: always considered a threat in the AFC.

558
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 3: Always everybody was a little brother to the Steelers. That's

559
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 3: over now, the Ravens, anybody else. The Ravens were the

560
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 3: only ones that would give you the idea that man

561
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,479
Speaker 3: like this could be the year that they could deal

562
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 3: with them. But they were mirror image teams. That's that's

563
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 3: overs and Cincinnati had their run with Marvin Lewis, but

564
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 3: they just weren't very good in the playoffs. They were

565
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 3: pretty good during the regular season. Always had a talented team,

566
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 3: same with the Browns, always have had talented teams, just

567
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 3: can't win. They're they're a fringe playoff team now they are.

568
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 3: And there's if you're looking at the levels in the AFC,

569
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 3: You've obviously got the upper echelon in Kansas City, You've

570
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 3: got Buffalo, You've got Baltimore, and then I almost look at,

571
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 3: you know, a team like Denver as more of a

572
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 3: threat than I look at a team like Pittsburgh now,

573
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 3: just based on where they're at, which is look, they

574
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 3: tried some different stuff this offseason. They spent some money,

575
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 3: they did all that, you know Terry Bradshaw talking about.

576
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 3: They didn't surround Kenny Pickett. They had him, they drafted him.

577
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 3: They didn't do enough to surround him. Maybe maybe not,

578
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 3: maybe some of that was his fault. I just think

579
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 3: overall there's been some slipping there and it's no longer

580
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 3: the vaunted, feared, Pittsburgh Steelers that it once you got

581
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 3: to take a look at the larger, You got to

582
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 3: take a look at the whole entire roster, because what

583
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 3: they were doing was they were winning and they were developing.

584
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 3: I mean, you think about James Harrison, he's going to

585
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 3: be a first ballot Hall of Famer. I think he's

586
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 3: coming up pretty soon here to have his opportunity to

587
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 3: go into the Hall of Fame. He was not a starter.

588
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 3: He did not make the roster. He was getting put

589
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 3: on the practice squad and worse, he was getting cut.

590
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 3: Wasn't even good enough to be on the team at

591
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 3: one point. And now he's going to be a Hall

592
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 3: of Famer. It's because they had a culture that forced

593
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 3: you to fit what it was to be a Pittsburgh

594
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 3: Steeler football player. And I do not think that exists today.

595
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 3: And that's kind of a sad thing to say, but

596
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 3: I do not think it exists. Ask any of these Steelers.

597
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 3: There might be a handful of guys that understand what

598
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 3: that statement means.

599
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 2: Guys more the good old days when Jeff Reid the

600
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 2: kicker was just walk around Pittsburgh with a shirt off bombed,

601
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 2: you know, and then he got nearly got in a

602
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 2: fight at the Hall of Fame game because he's got

603
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 2: a drunken public there.

604
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:08,760
Speaker 3: He's just annihilated.

605
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 2: And then you had was it Todd Haley the offensive

606
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 2: form mat Yeah, he was.

607
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 3: They haven't been good since Todd Haley left. Todd Haley

608
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 3: went out after a win.

609
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 2: He was at the Tequila Cowboy in Pittsburgh and got

610
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 2: into a fight with some guy and some guy shoved

611
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 2: him down.

612
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:24,399
Speaker 3: I think he broke his hip.

613
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 2: But like you just those are the good old days

614
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 2: where you could really see what was going on there

615
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh and you could see the direction of the

616
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 2: organization and exactly what they were, what they were planning,

617
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 2: and what the goal was is as a team, and

618
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 2: the fan base said something to rally around. And now

619
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 2: we're just looking at him going, listen, let's hope this

620
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 2: one works, and let's hope this edition of the Steelers works,

621
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: because the one that we've rolled out the past five, six,

622
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 2: seven years just hasn't. You've been one and done in

623
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 2: the playoffs and it's been a long ass time since

624
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 2: they've had any success there.

625
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 3: So he's a suit chaos. It leads us suit outside

626
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Speaker 3: the window on that last situation.

627
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628
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630
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Speaker 2: for Colin, and guess what, the Dynasty's back.

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Speaker 3: That's one hell of a quarterback room. Johnson got to

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Speaker 5: No, no, this is the herd Line News all right,

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Speaker 5: Ryan Music, Yeah, yeah, last d of the day.

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Speaker 2: Come on, guys, come on, Yeah to the NFL we go.

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Speaker 2: She'sa offense had a roller coaster season, but Patrick Mahomes

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Speaker 2: thinks they're ready for a breakout season. Here's what he

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Speaker 2: told Upp and Adams about the expectations for the offense

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Speaker 2: this upcoming year.

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Speaker 7: I think it's just gonna be. It's gonna come from everywhere.

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Speaker 7: We have so many weapons. Let's go out there and

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Speaker 7: just maximize at all. It's not gonna be just one person.

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Speaker 7: It's gonna be the entire offense going out there in

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Speaker 7: showcase what the Chakansas City Chiefs truly are.

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Speaker 3: It's coming from everywhere, guys. I mean, look, they got

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Speaker 3: a lot to prove. Yeah without with with having already

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Speaker 3: proven a ton.

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Speaker 2: Because it wasn't like it looked all that great last year.

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Speaker 2: I mean sixteenth in total offense. Yeah, it wasn't, you know,

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Speaker 2: So there you go. Mahomes didn't have his signature.

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Speaker 3: Year that is literally middle of the pack.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And Kelsey, you know, he compiled a bunch of receptions.

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Speaker 3: And all that. But you know he's girl friend was

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Speaker 3: more important than he was. Yeah, to the offense and

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Speaker 3: to the chiefs last year. I mean, think about it.

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Speaker 3: She was a more vital part, critical part to the

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Speaker 3: show than they. Okay, so think about that.

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Speaker 2: Though, even with that production offensively in that conference, they

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Speaker 2: still want it.

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Speaker 3: That's that's scary. That's what makes the whole thing scary.

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Speaker 2: The year before they had to go on the road

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Speaker 2: to do it all, did that too, and then this

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Speaker 2: past year the offense wasn't up to snuff. They couldn't

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Speaker 2: get it together or get any consistent consistency going. And

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Speaker 2: still they figured out to get to the Super Bowl

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Speaker 2: anyways and lose the third one, right, the third in

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Speaker 2: a row, which again sixteenth and offensive ranking lose the

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl. Everybody feels high and uplifted about the Philadelphia.

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Speaker 3: Eagles and how they built their team. Oh, by the way,

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Speaker 3: a team that Andy Reid coached and had great success

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Speaker 3: with the GM was GMing there with learning and learning

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Speaker 3: the ropes, and they brought that to Kansas City. There

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Speaker 3: is a bird there. There is a whole lot of inspiration,

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Speaker 3: I'm certain for a lot of people inside Kansas City

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Speaker 3: Kingdom that want to have a great year this year.

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Speaker 2: You know, I feel bad for I feel bad for

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Speaker 2: chiefs Aholock, the guy who was Robin Banks dressed up

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Speaker 2: as a Chiefs master with a big mother efforts, because man,

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Speaker 2: that guy was a Chiefs fan when they were you know,

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Speaker 2: rolling out like Steve Bono and Nick Lowry and all this,

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Speaker 2: and you know he's rooting on Christian Okoye and Barry

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Speaker 2: Word and now there.

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Speaker 3: Was here was he their fan back then. Oh of

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Speaker 3: course he was.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I think he was like a school Chiefs fan.

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Speaker 2: And now they've got this dynasty where all they know

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Speaker 2: is conference championship game losses in overtime or Super Bowls,

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Speaker 2: and the guy's stuck in prison. Dan, he's in Shawshank

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Speaker 2: while they're out. They're putting a dynasty together after all

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Speaker 2: that time you put it. It's too bad, man.

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Speaker 3: But he was really robbing them banks though. Hey, yeah

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Speaker 3: he was. He was, all right, that's correct. We'll wrap

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Speaker 3: up with this rock.

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Speaker 2: Perty got his big payday, but he did lose his

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Speaker 2: wide receiver, Deebo Samuel. Here he was on the Busting

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Speaker 2: with Boys podcasts talking about what it meant to lose Debo.

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Speaker 3: This sucks, dude. He's my boy. You know, I love

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Speaker 3: Deebo day one. He's always on my back and believed

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Speaker 3: in me.

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Speaker 8: When I got in, I didn't really know, you know,

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Speaker 8: how the guys were gonna take it.

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Speaker 3: When I did get.

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Speaker 8: Thrown in, Jimmy went down, I was like the last

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Speaker 8: quarterback in uh debot. Man was nothing but just great

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Speaker 8: to me, dude, building me up and just give me confidence.

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Speaker 3: Man. In games.

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Speaker 8: You know, we fed off each other's energy and building

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Speaker 8: each other up like it was awesome.

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Speaker 3: By the way, they was definitely feeding off one another

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Speaker 3: for one one more than the other they say these day.

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Speaker 2: By the way, if you if you were listening and

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Speaker 2: you were wondering, did we just hear somebody scoff and

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Speaker 2: disgusted as music was setting that up? That is correct,

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Speaker 2: Greg Tooey, Uh, just disgusted with rock Party is.

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Speaker 9: Just the brock Purty like just in general, like music

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Speaker 9: knows how I feel about that. Like brock Party and

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Speaker 9: I have a really weird relationship.

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Speaker 3: What's what's the issue with brock Party? You guys have

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Speaker 3: a weird relationship? You got a problem?

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Speaker 9: I just why brock Purty. I just don't get it. No, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 9: no no no.

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Speaker 3: Why do you take such a hard he just like

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Speaker 3: he just not interesting. He's not interesting. That's the most interesting.

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Speaker 3: Selling do we have time? Old?

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 3: No, no, get stuff going? Okay, Kang Doey talk about

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Speaker 3: closing the show out one more heard.

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