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Speaker 1: One of their races in the Midwest had ten thousand

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Speaker 1: female run was registered. In Burfitt's words, quote, we were

431
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Speaker 1: Runners World and we were completely unaware that there was

432
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Speaker 1: this tidal wave. At the time, men accounted for sixty

433
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Speaker 1: eight percent of race finishers, but women finishers overtook male

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Speaker 1: finishers by ten Annie. Yes, Can I ask you a

435
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 1: very serious question? Yes, when was your first marathon? Was

436
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 1: a post Oprah amaseming I was posted. I didn't know

437
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 1: she ran one until doing this research. Actually, oh yeah,

438
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 1: I do too. Definitely opened up I think the idea

439
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,919
Speaker 1: that more people could run a marathon. I think it

440
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 1: made it more accessible, or at least it seemed more

441
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 1: accessible to people anyway. I will say that in this office,

442
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 1: a lot of people run. I feel like a lot

443
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 1: of people run and shout out to you. Will Pearson, Yes,

444
00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 1: part time genius um And when I first arted. It

445
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: was thanks to you in part, Allison, and uh it

446
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 1: made it feel more accessible to me having people in

447
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 1: my orbit that ran these races. And I had this

448
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 1: goal of running a half. I never thought i'd run

449
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: a full. But I ran my first full two years

450
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 1: ago and it was the Walt Disney World Marathon and

451
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: I had just injured. I had um runners knee. That

452
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 1: was your first. I didn't realize that was your first.

453
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 1: That was my first full marathon. Yeah, and I I'm

454
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Speaker 1: really angry about it. Actually, it's just the the luck

455
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Speaker 1: of the drops, how things work out. But I had

456
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: just been on this really long cruise, and training for

457
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 1: a marathon on a long cruise not easy. And we

458
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: so the cruise docked in Florida and we went from

459
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Speaker 1: there to run the race and there was a cold snap,

460
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: which no one was prepared for. The race. Officials certainly

461
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: weren't prepared for it. It was eleven degrees I think

462
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: in Florida. It was really cold. And my gummies I

463
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: use gummies for energy, they were frozen. At mile six

464
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: when I went to eat them, they were frozen. Soide

465
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: so it was just like, uh, not the ideal. Sometimes

466
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 1: it doesn't all come together. Oh definitely, definitely. How about you, Allison?

467
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Speaker 1: When was your first Mine was Marine Corps and it

468
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 1: was October two thousand one. I was in my twenties,

469
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Speaker 1: and I just I did it because I honestly, I

470
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Speaker 1: don't know. I think I just did it because I

471
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 1: wanted to be something I had done, right, you know,

472
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: just one of those things like I ran a marathon,

473
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 1: yeah exactly, and then I got hooked as most first

474
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Speaker 1: to I crossed that finish line, and I immediately started thinking,

475
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Speaker 1: I wonder what my next race is going to be.

476
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Speaker 1: It's so funny you say that, because I feel like

477
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 1: I'm not that big of a race runner, but every

478
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 1: time I run a race at the end, I'm pretty

479
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: sure I'm not exaggerating. I think every time I say

480
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 1: never getting And then like the next day, I started thinking,

481
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Speaker 1: you know what, race sounds cool. It's just how quickly

482
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 1: the mind shifts, and it's like, you know, I think

483
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: it might be cool if you did this one. As

484
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 1: we record this, um, I'm about to go do um

485
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Speaker 1: wine and dine at Disney, which is a half So

486
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Speaker 1: it sounds like such a good one. Fingers cost Yeah,

487
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 1: it's really fun. It's really fun to get to run

488
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: through all of the parks and at the end there's

489
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 1: all the wine and in dining you could wish for

490
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: Holly fry of stuff you missed in history class. Is

491
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: definitely the one who got me. She's the one that

492
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: really got me to run a half. And then she

493
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: is like continued to be like, you know which one

494
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: you should do? This other Disney one that I yeah,

495
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Speaker 1: Holly is amazing. She's done so many of those races.

496
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Speaker 1: I'm such a dork, I remember that. I know. It's

497
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Speaker 1: so funny. I feel like we're talking about like your

498
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Speaker 1: first kiss or something like my first race was this,

499
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 1: and by the way, we would love to hear stories

500
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:24,199
Speaker 1: of your first races. Yes, oh yes, um. And if

501
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: we if we take a step back and we look

502
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 1: at why women for so long we're discouraged from running.

503
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Speaker 1: One of the main reasons given to women was health,

504
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: it's it's not good for you to run long races

505
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Speaker 1: or racist at all, and it was sort of like

506
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: a benign sexism thing of you know, we're trying to

507
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: protect you. And as a matter of fact, as of disrecording,

508
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Speaker 1: one of the top auto phil search results on Google

509
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Speaker 1: when I was researching this was running bad for female

510
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Speaker 1: sex organs. So that was one of the things that

511
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: for a long time was used to keep women out

512
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: of races. And if you did run a raise, somebody

513
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: would have to run behind you because they would try

514
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: to they would have to catch your uterus as it

515
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: fell out. Yes, that's what they thought, and I mean

516
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: we probably it probably goes about saying, but generally this

517
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: is not the case, not the uterus falling out there.

518
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: But just like it's not bad for female sex organs

519
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: in general. I'm not a doctor, but just play one

520
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: on TV, just play one in podcast. Most studies looking

521
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: into runners how to improve the health of running, all

522
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: the study participants until recently have been men or mostly men.

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Speaker 1: So a lot of things I've read, and I've been

524
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: reading up a lot about this lately because of runners,

525
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: knee and all that stuff, advise you to take any

526
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: running advice that involves a study be with a grain

527
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: of salt if you're a woman or non binary, just

528
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: because our bodies are different and there isn't that much

529
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: science as of yet looking into looking into that. And

530
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: as we've discussed before, some science does show that women

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00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: are better endurance renders and that this might even improve

532
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Speaker 1: after giving birth. And since I've never done that thing,

533
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Speaker 1: I thought maybe you could speak to your experience, Alison,

534
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: I have. I have done that thing. So I actually

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Speaker 1: ran Chicago while I was pregnant with my first child. Wow,

536
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: how well, Annie, that wasn't the plan exactly. I had

537
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Speaker 1: this original plan to really go for it at Chicago.

538
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: I was, of course, like seeing if I could get

539
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Speaker 1: a Boston qualifier. I hope to you somedays still don't

540
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Speaker 1: we all? Um except GDS. Before Chicago, I hadn't gotten

541
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Speaker 1: my period, and my female trading buddy and very good

542
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: friend was like, maybe you should just, you know, see

543
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: if you're pregnant. Yeah, you know, And sure enough I was, Uh,

544
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: and I did Chicago anyway. I just I mean, I

545
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: really just tried to read it in a little bit

546
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: that was more than eleven years ago, and the little

547
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: bean in my belly it turned out to be my

548
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: eleven year old daughter, and uh, I hope a future runner.

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00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: I like to joke with her that she's already read

550
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: a marathon. Oh man, that's lucky, she's already got one

551
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: under her boat. Yeah. I never really considered not doing Chicago,

552
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: even after I found out I was pregnant. Um, but

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Speaker 1: I do remember that there is a lack of solid

554
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: evidence on whether reading marathon was okay, how much mileage

555
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: was okay, that kind of thing. So I just winged

556
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: it and most of us have done that, and I

557
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: tried to listen to my body. Um, and in fact

558
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: it's gotten. The field has sort of advanced a little

559
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: bit in that knowledge. And running well pregnant, assuming there

560
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: are no complicating factors, like you know, gestational diabetes, running

561
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: well pregnant is perfectly fine, assuming you can find a

562
00:31:55,600 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: bathroom on your route. And the American College of Obstetricians

563
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: and kind of coologists, they recommend twenty to thirty minutes

564
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: a day. I saw estimates of up to an hour.

565
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: I think the important thing again, it's just to listen

566
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: to your body, not to do like crazy pushing yourself

567
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: and um, get out there. This is my favorite, Annie,

568
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: I love this so so much. There are these stories

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Speaker 1: of women, and I guess that runners who run every

570
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: day are called streakers. Correct me if I'm wrong, Annie,

571
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: or or listeners. Um. So they have these running streaks

572
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: that they are unwilling to break, so they will run

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00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: actually on the day of their delivery, and they have

574
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: been known to run in the hospital doing laps. WHOA, yeah,

575
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: that's some that's some dedication right there. Yeah, that's that's

576
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: a lot. Yes. Yes. For many moms, running is a

577
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: way to just stay sane and relieve stress. Um. It's

578
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: helps to connect with a part of their like pre

579
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: parenting form ourselves, I mean, and it also helps to

580
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: be an active, positive example for their kids. It's this active,

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00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: like taking control over their bodies again and post pregnancy

582
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: body changes. The first rund can be like so freaking powerful.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I remember it sent the running fire just

584
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: like coursing through my veins again. You know. It was

585
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: this powerful reminder of my former self and it felt great,

586
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: especially since it was post major surgery, the first I've

587
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: ever had, I mean, it was C section, So it

588
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: was just it was such a good way to connect

589
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: to the person I was and the person I would be,

590
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: and to like, you know, make those two selves meet. Um.

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00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: And then of course once you have a child, you

592
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: can go out for a walk or run with your

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00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: knee baby and stay sane because it's really it's really

594
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: nice to get out of the house when you have

595
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: a new baby. So for those who can afford them,

596
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: this is where the jogging stroller can become a real lifeline. Um.

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00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: But again kind of looking at how racist frame thinks.

598
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: A lot of racist don't allow for jogging strollers. And

599
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: sometimes you even have to pay extra or register your kid.

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00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: I've never heard that paid to register your kid. Yeah,

601
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: like the person in the stroller. Also shout out to

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00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: the biceps of the women pushing those jocking strollers. They

603
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: are amazing. Yeah, every time someone passes me with a

604
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: jogging stroller, I'm super annoyed, But then I'm very impressed.

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00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: It's it's a mix of emotions. Have you have you

606
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: ever dropped out of a race? No? Have you? I

607
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: haven't either. Um, when we did the update on running,

608
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: we were talking about how the Boston Marathon this year

609
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: was so terrible, the conditions were so terrible, and how

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Speaker 1: more men than women dropped out, and how that has

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00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: to do with a couple of things they think. But

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00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 1: one is adjusting, like goals. And I guess the men

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00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: competitors that dropped out said they dropped out because they

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00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: weren't going to meet a certain time that they had

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00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 1: given themselves. But women were more able to adjust that

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00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: time based on the poor conditions. I have never dropped out,

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00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 1: but I did break my ankle running a trail race

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00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: at mile six. It was a half marathon, and I

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00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 1: finished the race and I worked for two days after

620
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 1: that until I could no longer fit my foot in

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Speaker 1: my shoe, and I was like, well, this might be

622
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: a problem. When my mom came in and she did

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00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: the best, like gas and she said getting a car.

624
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,959
Speaker 1: And I still pay the price for that. I can't sleep.

625
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: I can only sleep in one position. My friends call

626
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: it dead bird because I have to hang my foot

627
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: off the bed. Um. So no shame at all if

628
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: you've ever had to drop out of a race. Um, definitely,

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Speaker 1: Like what's going back to what you were saying listening

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Speaker 1: to your body? Um, I mean, I'm really bad about

631
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: and this is probably definitely why I have runners knee

632
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 1: and plantar fasciitis. I'm really bad about doing that, and

633
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: I'm bad about even like you can start walking, you

634
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,479
Speaker 1: can stop and stretch. I'm bad about all of those things.

635
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: I am too, but they are good things to do,

636
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: especially if you want to keep running and you want

637
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,280
Speaker 1: to push your performance. It feels like a step back,

638
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 1: but it's not. It's part of your training. You're absolutely right.

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00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: We all want to run for as long as we

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00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: possibly can. I mean, I want to be eighty and

641
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: like having those sweatpants and be like, shuffle it along.

642
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 1: I love, love, love those people like love them. Um.

643
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: And so taking the longer view and being smart is

644
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: absolutely the thing to do. And it's a good reminder. Yeah.

645
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: And this brings us to races and sexism and races

646
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: because there are a lot of minor things. Um, while

647
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: they seem minor, I don't know in races that do

648
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 1: reinforce this idea that the default racer is male and

649
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: because of that part of that that women don't belong.

650
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: And I do think that the perception is that the

651
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: male winner of a race is the real winner. And

652
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: like the men's marathon at the l PIX is the

653
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: real marathon. It correct me if I'm wrong, but I

654
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: think that's what closes the the Olympics is the male marathon.

655
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 1: The female marathon happens at the midpoint. I think. So, okay,

656
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with it. It seems it seems logical,

657
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: it seems believable. Um, if we look at race directors

658
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: the makeup of race runnerscuse female now, but that isn't

659
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 1: reflected in the leadership. The i a a F, which

660
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: is the International Track and Fields governing body, has an

661
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: election just for getting one woman on their council. Most

662
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: major marathons are directed by men. And this brings us

663
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: to another point that's near and dear to my heart.

664
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: The shirts the unice sex shirt, because let's be real,

665
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: unisex shirts aren't unisex, and a lot of races I've

666
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 1: run you can pay more to get a woman's cut shirt.

667
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: But the message again is that, yeah, we didn't plan

668
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: this race with you in mind, and not to hammer

669
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: this home, but yeah, to hammer this home. More women

670
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,240
Speaker 1: are running races now than men. It would be different

671
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 1: if I don't know, only like four women were running, okay,

672
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:12,280
Speaker 1: but it's probably over half of the racers are are women.

673
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: I like to think of myself as a rare unicorn,

674
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: but female runners are not rare unicorns. In fact, no

675
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: alas las well. I guess it's for the best, but

676
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 1: it would be nice to think of yourself as a

677
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 1: ray unicorn. I the for the Atlanta Peachtree Road Race,

678
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: the the metal is a shirt. You can only get it.

679
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: You're supposed to only get it once you cross that

680
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: finish line. I gotta love that. I do too, but

681
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: it's it's you're in no sex and the sleeves always

682
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: look so dumb and box on me that I cut

683
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: them off. And you would be surprised how many people

684
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: see me running around the city and how many women

685
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 1: stop me and say, I never thought of doing that.

686
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 1: That's so smart, because we all they don't fit right,

687
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: they don't fit, and it's it's frustrating because it is

688
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: the trophy and I hate to think of people not

689
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 1: wearing it because it doesn't look good. Yeah, there's raining shirts.

690
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm like the size of a twelve year old. Uh,

691
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 1: and it's like huge, They're so big, yes, I mean,

692
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: and like like I have one fair in New York

693
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: City Marathon, Like I will never give that thing away,

694
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: but I swear to god it goes down to my

695
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: ankles so big. Yeah. Yeah, that's another thing too. Um

696
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: And something else that we wanted to talk about is

697
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 1: female only races. There are female only races, um. From

698
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 1: what I can tell, most of them do allow male runners.

699
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 1: But San Francisco. There's a San Francisco Nike one. I think, yes, yeah,

700
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: there is. Have you done that one? I have not

701
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: done that one, but I think it's a much smaller population.

702
00:39:55,040 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 1: But I think, um, for most of those female only races,

703
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 1: some men are allowed to run. I know some of them,

704
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 1: no men are allowed to run. And it's this whole

705
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 1: idea is sort of similar to what we talked about

706
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: in our gym timidation episode. Um, they can be safe

707
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: spaces for bringing people in or self conscious or maybe

708
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 1: maybe like a good foot in to to start running

709
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: other races, but they also are very stereotypical. Um like

710
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: at that maybe you cross the finish line, A lot

711
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 1: of them offer like chocolate and champagne. The first half

712
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: marathon I ever ran was the Disney Princess Half, which

713
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: is majority women, and it did give me a kind

714
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 1: of a strange feeling like it's all pink branded. When

715
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: you cross, like glitter goes up and you like do

716
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 1: a wand over your shoulder and your princess. I guess

717
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: it was fun. This whole episode was to get you

718
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: to congratulate me about my first half. All right, I

719
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: guess that's the end. No, it was a really fun race,

720
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: but it did give exchanged feeling. And uh, when you

721
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: look at the history, that's what made it kind of

722
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 1: even stranger because the first female only racing United States

723
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 1: took place in nineteen two in New York and it

724
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 1: was called the Crazy Legs New York Mini Marathon and

725
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: it was a six mile race named for mini skirts

726
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: and it featured playboy bunnies at the start. That's crazy. Yeah,

727
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 1: I'm crazy for the Crazies Crazy Legs. I believe it

728
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: still takes place, but it's called the New York Many.

729
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 1: But then Katherine Switzer launched the Avon International Running Circuit

730
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: and the goal was to debunk this about what would

731
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,439
Speaker 1: happen to women if they ran, that their unise would

732
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 1: fall out, for instance, and to give women more spaces

733
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: to run. But now women only races seemed to reinforce

734
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: stereotypes about women. So it's just kind of a weird space.

735
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: I'm not against them necessarily, but I do think we

736
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: should take a look at the messaging around them. Yeah.

737
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: I did a try, like I was saying in the intro,

738
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: and I really enjoyed it, and it was women only,

739
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: and I felt like it was a very safe space

740
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: for me to just give it a shot, give it

741
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: a try. Ha um. But of course it was a

742
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: pink shirt, and I was like, I don't but I'm

743
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: gonna have to keep it because since my first try,

744
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: so I'm not going to give that thing away. But

745
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: I was like, really, a pink shirt, I mean, that's

746
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: the best you could do. Um. But I did. I

747
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: did feel as though it made me brave. And I

748
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: don't know that I would have gotten in the water

749
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: as willingly for the swim like with women and men,

750
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: like crushing and splashing through there. Yeah. Yeah, And I

751
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: completely get that. And like I said in our jam episode,

752
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: for a lot of women, I guess the what the

753
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: anxiety is. I get why we need them. I wish

754
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: that we didn't need them, but I get why we

755
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: need them. And so yeah, I it's more of the

756
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: messaging around it, I think fair enough that we should

757
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: look into. But this brings us to probably one of

758
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: our favorite aspects of running, community and intersectionality of it.

759
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: But first it brings us to one more quick break

760
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: for word from our sponsor h and we're back, Thank

761
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 1: you sponsor, And we're back with community. The community aspect

762
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: of running, because if you compare the number of female

763
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:29,760
Speaker 1: runners to the number of women and other endurance sports

764
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: like cycling, our competitive swimming, it is no contest. Running

765
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: edges them out by far. So edges is not the

766
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 1: correct word. It's way there's way more women participating in running.

767
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: And when trying to pinpoint the reason behind that, the

768
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: one reason that comes up the most often is it's

769
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: easier to turn running into a social and community forming activity.

770
00:43:56,160 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: And I on I also think it's because it's easier, Um,

771
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: because all you need is a pair of shoes and

772
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: a place to run. But a lot of women report

773
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: that the social aspect of running is more important to

774
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: them than the competitive aspect. And you can find a

775
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: story after story of women uplifting other racers. Yes, can

776
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: I tell you some of those? Please do? Okay, so

777
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: as you guys know, I just did one on Sunday.

778
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 1: I was talking about that, I did a half and um,

779
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: I I agree. I think that within the running community, yes, definitely.

780
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: We all like to talk and we all like to

781
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 1: hang out, and there's great like social aspects of it.

782
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: I mean, Annie, I know you don't tend to run

783
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: with other runners, but you're missing out because the running

784
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 1: conversation allows you with your running buddy not to look

785
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: at them and just to have this conversation where you

786
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 1: can totally just spill it. I mean I spill it

787
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: on some of these runs, and I think it's like,

788
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: you know, you'll be running in the early morning and

789
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: just like the act of running and talking, it's it's

790
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 1: really cathartic. Yeah. Just so listeners, No, I'm kind of

791
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: I'm a loane wolf. I'm a loon old runner. I Um,

792
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: I'm very bad about running with partners, but I mean

793
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: I I do have the community aspect almost outside of running,

794
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: if that makes sense, Like friends runners that are runners

795
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: that are friends and we talked about running, we could

796
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: I mean, Alison and I could talk about running all day.

797
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 1: We won't, but we sort of already have. Yeah, but yes,

798
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: you have this experience with the community and having that

799
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: while reading. Yeah. So I finished my risk this past Sunday,

800
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: and the first thing I did was I went up

801
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: to this woman and she was wearing a blue shirt

802
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,240
Speaker 1: because that's all I know about her, and she'd finished

803
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: just ahead of me, and I went up to her

804
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: and I thanked her because I paste off of her

805
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: for the last few miles. I was tracking her and

806
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: it was exactly like you were saying, you know, you

807
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: try to hang onto the person in front and just

808
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: let them piece you, and I couldn't catch her. I'm

809
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: so because of how strong she was. I got to

810
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: the finish line and I made a PR and so awesome.

811
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: I'm so psyched about this PR. Yeah, that's awesome. Um,

812
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: but before I could even get to her, this blue

813
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: shirted woman who I wanted to thank. This other woman

814
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: comes up to me and she was like, hey, thank you.

815
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: I was like, what, thank you for much? So, oh well,

816
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: I tried to catch you, but I couldn't and I

817
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: pieced off of you. So there was this whole like

818
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 1: chain going on and I was surprised, and so, you know,

819
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 1: immediately paid it forward to the blue shirted woman. And

820
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 1: it's totally anecdotal, and I get that, but I don't

821
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 1: think guys are doing that. And I wonder what listener

822
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: experiences in these situations. Yeah, yeah, we would love to

823
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: hear from any other runners about what kind of community

824
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: you've experienced while running. So Desiree Lyndon this year is

825
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 1: Boston Marathon winner. She totally illustrates the power of the

826
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: female running community. Um, as we were talking about the

827
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 1: conditions for Boston this year were particularly horrible. It was cool.

828
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: There are these icy sheets of rain that were pelting you. Um,

829
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: I was told that you by the time you got

830
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: to the starting line, your sneakers were already wet. So

831
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: some you know, smart runners brought a second pair of

832
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: shoes so they weren't like running and saggy shoes to

833
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: start off. But a lot of people just had saggy shoes.

834
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 1: So anyway, Deserte told The New York Times that she

835
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: wasn't sure she'd finish, so she said to her fellow

836
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: American runner Lene flann again, you know, let me know

837
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: if you need anything, like, you know, I don't know,

838
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: see some shielding from the wind, and I'll do it

839
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: before I drop out. So Flannagin says, well, you know,

840
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: I got a pee, and Lyndon says, cool, I'll hope

841
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: you get back in the pack when you're done. First

842
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: of all, I can't even believe that they can run

843
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: those things so fast and use the bathroom at the

844
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:47,399
Speaker 1: same time, Like that's amazing. So Lynden helps flann again

845
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: get back in the pack, long story short, flann again

846
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 1: gets tired, Lynden keeps chucking. Lynden prevails. She totally you know,

847
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: she just prevails in these icy conditions and she wins,

848
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: and she says, quote, if it hadn't been difficult, it

849
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't have meant as much. Yeah, I mean, so

850
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: is it terrible. It was a terrible, terrible marathon. And

851
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: she stopped to help her buddies and she still want it.

852
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Speaker 1: I just love this story, like love it. So I

853
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Speaker 1: had another great story about Flannagan, who coincidentally she was

854
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Speaker 1: the first American woman to win the New York City

855
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Speaker 1: Marathon in forty years. And she has She's done a

856
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: lot for competitive women's running. She's pretty cool. She went

857
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: in two thousand seventeen and she was training for the

858
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Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen Olympic Trials with this woman, Amy Craig,

859
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,439
Speaker 1: also a competitive runner. So according to this story, I read,

860
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: Craig and Flannagan are running their stride first stride running

861
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: in the Olympic Trials, and Flannagan starts to fade and

862
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: Craig as opposed to shooting off ahead and mean like

863
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: see you later. I mean, after all, this is the

864
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 1: Olympic Trials. Craig slows down with her. She goes, she

865
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Speaker 1: gets flannagain water, which is I mean, at that in

866
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,720
Speaker 1: the race and at that like crazy level, you're conserving

867
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: every single bit of energy. But she goes and she

868
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: gets her running buddy water planning and makes it to

869
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: the finish line. She qualifies. Totally debatable. She could have

870
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,800
Speaker 1: done that by herself. And I just like, I love that.

871
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I love that community. I love that. Like,

872
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I want a pr I want to get

873
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:21,919
Speaker 1: in the Olympic Trials, but I'm still going to stop

874
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: to help you. Like It's just I love these stories. Um.

875
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: For me, I had a female running butty who pretty

876
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: much dragged me over the last seven miles of my

877
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: last marathon. I'm like you Annie, who crashed it twenty.

878
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: I hit the big bunk at mile nineteen m at

879
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 1: my last marathon, and she was there. She got me

880
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: to finish. She tried everything. I mean, she was like,

881
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: I'll talk about you know, I'll play pitbull for you.

882
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: Here are some pretzels. Let me tell you about my

883
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: home renovation. Like shell. She was massaging my cath at

884
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 1: one I mean, but she got me there. And there's

885
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 1: no way that I would have been able to do

886
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: it without her, No way. Yeah, those are those stories

887
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: are really beautiful, UM, because it is such a competitive

888
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: it can be such a competitive thing, and these these

889
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: stories that you're sharing, they are, but it's still so

890
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 1: important to to uplift other competitors and other female runners,

891
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: and that is that's really lovely. Yeah. I mean you

892
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: elevate yourself and you elevate the runners among you. I

893
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: like it, and I do think it's a more rewarding

894
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:37,320
Speaker 1: experience that way. I once somebody I think defensively he

895
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: was trying to feel better about himself, but he told me,

896
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: UM that I was being very selfish by running, and

897
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 1: running is a selfish activity, but like looking back at it,

898
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: you can be selfish and it's a healthy activity. But

899
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: you can also do things like this that are not

900
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: selfish at all. And for a lot of people, people

901
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: run for chair to These people run to raise awareness

902
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: about about other things. UM, and most of my friends,

903
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: for any listeners who are listening to this, like I

904
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 1: hate running, I'm never gonna run. Most of my friends

905
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 1: are that and they still are very supportive though, and

906
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: just knowing that they're waiting at the finish line with

907
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 1: a cup of coffee. Whatever it is, it really motivates it,

908
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: I think most people. But for sure me knowing that

909
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: there are people there that are just hearing you on

910
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:41,240
Speaker 1: and whatever time you get, they they just aren't happy

911
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: that you finished. Yeah, my husband has always been super

912
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: super supportive. Um, you know, whenever I say like, I

913
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: gotta go out for a run, or maybe he'll suggest that, Hey,

914
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:54,760
Speaker 1: I think you do you want to go get some miles,

915
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, I need to do that because it

916
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: just I mean, it helps me, really helps me in

917
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: my head and my body. Yeah, for a while I

918
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: was doing I now I'm an almost exclusively morning runner,

919
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 1: but for a while I was doing evening runs, and um,

920
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,760
Speaker 1: I'd get like the runners high so much I'd shoot

921
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: off all these work emails and I found out later

922
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: that people thought I was getting drunk after work emailing. No,

923
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 1: I was running. I was not drunk. And one thing

924
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: we should say running can be, and currently largely still

925
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: is a very white, privileged Western thing. And on the show,

926
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: we've spoken before about Black Girls Run, which is a

927
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,760
Speaker 1: great organization looking to diversify running in the United States.

928
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: Katherine Switzer has an organization organization called to six one Fearless,

929
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: named after her BIB number that I know and that

930
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: its mission is to quote create a global community for

931
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: women runners of all abilities to support, encourage, and inspire

932
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: each other towards a positive sense of self and fearlessness.

933
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: To six one Fearless clubs can be found currently on

934
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: three continents, and there will be more soon. Nice. There's

935
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: also Girls on the Round that's a big one. There's

936
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: a chapter at my daughter's middle school, and they have

937
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 1: programs all of the US and there for third through

938
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: eighth grade girls, and the goal is really inclusion. They

939
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,879
Speaker 1: also teach girls to be confident about themselves and reach

940
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: their potential while incorporating running games and of course a

941
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: five k race at the end. I think it's awesome.

942
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:32,320
Speaker 1: It was started by Molly Barker back and Barker is

943
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 1: an iron man. Try afflate yeah uh and then like

944
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: we were kind of alluding to their running groups for charities,

945
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:43,280
Speaker 1: for rock vets or homeless women, all kinds of things.

946
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 1: So if running is something you're interested in but have

947
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 1: been intimidated by, we hope that this inspires you to

948
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,240
Speaker 1: check it out. I know a lot of you listeners

949
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: listen to the show while you run, so maybe hello

950
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: during mid run. That's so awesome. I love that. But

951
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 1: for those that maybe have been like I was when

952
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 1: I was younger, turned away by it because you were

953
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 1: subconscious or whatever it might be, UM hopefully that this

954
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: might encourage you to go see if you can find

955
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: a community that will support you. And I bet there

956
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 1: is one out there that will absolutely um or whatever

957
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: that activity might be. It doesn't have to be running,

958
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 1: but I think that any anything you can find that

959
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: community and is it's a great thing. And like I said,

960
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: I'll be real, I hated running for a long time.

961
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: I hated it. I'd get winded so quickly I felt gross,

962
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: just embarrassed. It feels kind of in gamely, yes, because

963
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: at first you feel like you should be taking longer strides,

964
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: but actually you take kind of these small, stumble thee strides,

965
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: or at least that's what it feels like. Um it

966
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 1: doesn't it. It feels powerful once you get in your stride,

967
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,399
Speaker 1: but at first, especially I mean even to this day,

968
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: if I start thinking about my stride, I feel a

969
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: little silly. But it can be so rewarding and um,

970
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: since it's Halloween, I want to shout out an app

971
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:26,280
Speaker 1: called Zombies Run. Yes have you played that? I haven't.

972
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: I've been wanting to. It's this app. Um there's a

973
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 1: free version and a paid version, but basically every run

974
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 1: is like a mission and you're running from zombies and

975
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:39,879
Speaker 1: it's really cool. Um it, it's like a year there's

976
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: a zombie five ft behind you. It can really improve

977
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: your running if you're looking for something to spice it up.

978
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 1: And my first five k was the Zombie Run one

979
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 1: and it was a mud run. It wasn't supposed to be,

980
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 1: but it turned into a complete mud run and within

981
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Speaker 1: a minute Alison I lost my shoe and I had

982
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: to run the race and the only one shoe. The

983
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: mud just sucked it up. It was like a never

984
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 1: ending story when he's in that the swamp of depression.

985
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: It just ate my shoe. I've never seen it again

986
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 1: to this day, but I I finished. It was a

987
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 1: mud run, and so everybody finished like a five k

988
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: and over an hour, but I was in the top twenty. Yeah,

989
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 1: you were Annie with one shoe and this was assuming

990
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 1: not the same race where you broke your ankle. You

991
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: have had some adventures out there my friend yep, and

992
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 1: then I went to Red Lobster with one shoe one.

993
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: It's an interesting day and you two can have those

994
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: interesting experiences, is what we're saying. Hopefully, if you're interested,

995
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 1: then we haven't scared you away. Yeah. It's just a habit.

996
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 1: Nobody's born a runner. You just get out there and

997
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,399
Speaker 1: you make it habit and you do it. Yeah. Yeah,

998
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: if you want to, if you want to, for sure.

999
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 1: And so in conclusion, and in a lot of ways,

1000
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: this whole feminism thing is like running a marathon. It's

1001
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 1: painful and a test of endurance and strength and patience.

1002
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 1: There's camaraderie that might make you cry. You might want

1003
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: to give up, but don't. But don't. Yeah, I just

1004
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 1: keep going. Um. So thank you so much for joining

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Speaker 1: us today, Alison. It's such a pleasure. I really enjoyed it. Annie,

1006
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: and thank you Smithy listeners for listening. Yes, um, and

1007
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 1: feel free to pitch me any other ideas come back

1008
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: any time or you listeners, please feel free to write in.

1009
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 1: And if you're running experiences, um, even if you don't,

1010
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: if you hate running, you never want to hear about

1011
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 1: it again. I understand our email is a mom Stuff

1012
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: at how stuff works dot com, or you can find

1013
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: us on Twitter at mom Stuff Podcast or Instagram at

1014
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: Stuff I've Never Told You. Thanks to you for listening,

1015
00:57:53,800 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 1: and thanks as always to our producer Andrew Howard pot

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Speaker 1: for me