WEBVTT - OJ McDuffie Fins Flashback 1994 AFC Wildcard Win Over the Chiefs 0:00:03.480 --> 0:00:15.200 Field, touchdown, Miami turn Water Run, What is up? Dolphins? 0:00:15.280 --> 0:00:18.479 And welcome to the Drive Time Podcast, part of the 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:23.560 Miami Dolphins Official podcast network, covering your team, your Miami Dolphins, 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:27.120 each and every day. How's it going, everybody? It is Friday. 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:30.280 I am your host, Travis Wingfield, and I am here 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:33.919 to bring you your daily dose of Miami Dolphins football. 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:36.040 And on today's show, we're gonna hear from o J 0:00:36.200 --> 0:00:39.159 McDuffie of the Fish Tank Podcast and of course of 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:42.960 Miami Dolphins lore. We're gonna talk about the a f 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:45.839 C Wild Card playoff game, the victory over the Chiefs 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:49.400 Dan over Montana. A great game to talk about. O 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:51.519 J talks about a linebacker for the Chiefs in that 0:00:51.600 --> 0:00:54.560 game that maybe was hunting him down the rest of 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:56.480 his life after a block that o J put on 0:00:56.560 --> 0:00:58.760 Derrek Thomas in that game. We'll talk about that and 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:01.880 much much more. Get the latest on injuries for Dolphins 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:04.840 and Chiefs on Sunday. All of that and more on 0:01:04.880 --> 0:01:13.320 this Friday, December, the eleventh edition of the Drive Time Podcast. 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:16.320 Time was brought to you by Auto Nation. Hey Dolphins fans, 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:19.640 the new year starts now at Auto Nation. Let's skip 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:22.880 the rest of and get two big New Year's savings 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:27.080 on your favorite Auto Nation Chevy's, Fords, Toyotas, Hondas, and 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:30.240 much much more. Shops safely at the Auto Nation store 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:33.440 near you or Auto Nation dot com and save. Now. 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:36.040 Let's go ahead and get the injury latest for Friday. 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:39.760 The final game status report is available right now and 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:43.640 for your Miami Dolphins, Eric Flowers and Savon Aukmen are 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:45.399 going to be out for this game. They will not 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:48.760 play on Sunday. Both linebackers e Land and Roberts and 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:52.000 Kyle Van Noy returned to practice on Friday. They are 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:55.520 listed as questionable for the game against the Chiefs. As 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:58.800 for the Chiefs themselves, Damien Wilson was the only limited 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:01.360 participant in practice. We'll get a game task for him 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:04.760 for you guys on top News up on Miami Dolphins 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:09.000 dot com and writing Shotgun now on the Drivetime podcast 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:11.280 is a special guest. We hear from them every Friday 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:14.320 on Flashback, but this Friday we have o J McDuffie 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:16.639 from the Fish Tank taking us back through the n 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:20.239 a f C Wild Card playoff victory over the Kansas 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:23.000 City Chiefs. Oh J, What's up, man, what's up, Travis. 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:25.520 I'm good. It's good to see you. Friday is always 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:27.360 a fun time here on the podcast, we've gotta kle 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:29.760 let our hair down, talk about some Dolphins football get 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:31.520 ready for a big game coming up, like we have 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:34.480 on Sunday against the Chiefs. But we're going back too 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:36.400 on this podcast and talking about a game that you 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:39.120 played in and uh, you were texting me a little 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:41.600 bit before we we jumped on the podcast here and 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:43.680 you went back and watched this game and it's entirety right. 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:46.320 I did. I did, man. I enjoyed every minute of it. Man. 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:48.519 It's one of my favorite games of all time. It 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:50.680 takes a little time from time to remember some things 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:52.639 that happened when when you watch it back, you're like, oh, yeah, 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:54.720 I remember that. I remember that too, man. And it 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:57.840 was one of those great games, my Tanna versus Marino, 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:00.359 you know, fighting for who could get to the next 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:02.480 level in the playoffs and hopefully to the super Bowl, 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:05.080 super Bowl being right here in our own backyard. It was. 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:08.280 It was one fun as game. I have to imagine 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:11.240 that for an ext professional athlete like yourself, Like you said, 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:12.600 how much fun it is to go back and watch 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:15.480 that because like I'll go see, Like you know, I've 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:18.240 got the VHS tapes from my high school days like 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:20.520 that are the best thing in the world to watch 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:22.880 to me, to watch myself play like eighteen years old. 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:25.919 But being in an NFL game, a playoff game, especially 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:28.720 on a national stage, I mean, does that ever get 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:30.400 lost on you? Ors? It's still just really cool to 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:32.680 know that you were part of that. Yeah, you know, 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:34.760 sometimes you forget about it. And it's so funny because 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:36.520 I was watching that game and I showed my kids 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:38.760 who never seen me play. They weren't born yet. You know, 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:40.800 a couple of those clips, you know, there's a clip 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:42.880 of me hitting Derek Thomas one time when I knocked 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:44.560 the snot out of and I said, and I told 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:46.160 you boys, I was tough. Look at me hit this 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:48.960 linebacker right here. Not need to sin say to Derrick 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:50.720 Thomas is looking for me the rest of my life. 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:53.600 You know, the rest is so uh you know, because 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:55.200 of that hit. It's a soft flow Ridian. So I 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:57.040 was worried about public. You know, if he's gonna run 0:03:57.080 --> 0:04:00.320 into me their nightclub, he might run into their charity event. 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:02.560 I thought he was gonna try to get back at me, man, 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:05.000 but to show the kids that game and some of 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:06.480 the players that I made now when it was it 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:09.400 was always it's always fun to flashback. That reminds me 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:11.760 of There was a great miked up clip with Chad 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:15.280 Ocho Sinko and Ray Lewis where Chad cracked Ray Lewis 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:17.279 and he goes, I tried to go up against Ray 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:20.440 and I lost. But you but you got Derek and 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:22.720 you you got him, so you had the head and 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:24.240 the ball the rest of the game, like was he 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:26.279 was he coming for you? You know? I don't know. 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:28.200 I hope he was paying attention to me and not 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:30.240 worried about getting it Danny or you know, stopping the 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:32.960 run game. You know, I was a little bit of distracting, 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:34.880 but I know showed that I was running from his ass. 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:37.240 He's one of the best linebackers of all time. Good 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:39.640 matchup there. I always enjoy watching the run blocking that 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:41.800 occurred back then with the receivers, and they do it 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:43.880 today as well. But you guys definitely had a different task, 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:46.279 different role back then. Let's go ahead and jump right 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:47.840 into this game. O J. You hadn't mentioned that you 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:50.200 were super fired up for this podcast, and that was 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:52.719 a big reason why. But you also mentioned there was 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:55.440 a different sense of urgency around this game and a 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:58.320 little more intensity than maybe a usual playoff game. And 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:00.960 I know you talked about Marino versu. Montana. It was 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:02.800 the first time they had gone up against each other 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:05.120 since that Super Bowl? Was that kind of the sense 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:07.160 of the urgency here? Where? Where did that urgency come 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:09.200 from in this game? Yeah? We knew that, you know, 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:10.960 we our team was stacked. You know, we knew the 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:12.760 year before we had one of the better teams. We 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:15.320 went into a week eleven or twelve with the best 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:17.480 record in football, and we lost the last five games, 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:19.680 and we had a home playoff game here. You know, 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:22.880 Montana already had a couple of Super Bowl championships, and 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:24.839 we knew that. You know, Danny was still fighting to 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:27.240 get his So it was it was a huge game 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:30.960 for Schottenheimer versus Don Shula. Shula had the torn achilles 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:32.880 in this game, you know, had a little stewart to 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:35.520 that game, and it was just a big game, especially 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:37.719 having a home playoff game. You get an opportunity to 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:39.800 play at home, you know, against a team that you've 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:42.440 just beaten it was just a great opportunity for us, 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:44.240 and we thought we had that team that can make 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:46.159 it all the way through and play a home Super 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:49.400 Bowl game. They showed him on the cart in that game, 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:51.440 and you know he was he was still doing the 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:53.880 same thing, chewing guys out, getting in the refs here 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:57.200 and making his presence felt when he was on that car. 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:00.000 Was there any difference from a player's perspective about the 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:03.400 way Don Shula was? No, he saw everything still. You 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:05.440 can still hear his voice from anywhere on the field 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:07.599 or in the stadium, you know, and he just he 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:10.200 wasn't as mobile. But hey man, when he got that car, 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:12.159 because remember originally he was in a golf cart and 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:13.640 that was just a little too balky. And then he 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:16.360 got that little whatever scooter that he got, and then 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:19.120 there was no hiding from him at that point, man. 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:22.400 But the intensity was always there, and he he found 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:24.200 you if you did something right or wrong, he found you. 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:25.719 Well he did it in this game. We'll get to 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:27.760 that here in just one second. But to kick the 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:30.600 game off, I mean, you know, we we see offensive 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:33.520 explosions pretty much every single week in the NFL these days, 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:36.360 But I watched that that primetime highlight, and they were 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:39.160 going back and forth showing how impressive the offensive success 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:41.279 was for either of those teams. So the Chiefs go 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:43.800 down and scored the opening touch the opening possession for 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:46.159 a touchdown. But you guys come right back. And I 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:49.160 found this part interesting. On that same highlight with Chris Berman, 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:51.719 and it was Joe thisman filling in for Tom Jackson 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:54.240 this week, he says, Marino comes right back with a 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:56.840 bunch of guys you've never heard of, Mike Williams with 0:06:56.839 --> 0:06:59.240 the reception, And I was wondering how you would respond 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:01.280 to that comment, because there were plenty of guys on 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:04.400 that team, yourself, Irving Friar, Keith Jackson. These are players 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:06.520 that you know, even a seven eight year old kid 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:09.400 like myself knew at the time. So what's he talking about? Like, 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:12.720 how would how would you respond to that if someone 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:14.800 a sports catcher told you these are a bunch of 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:16.880 guys no one's ever heard of. Yeah, you know what, 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:21.240 it's um it's not a very flattering thing to say, 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:23.640 and of course, you know, I'm not a very flattering 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:26.400 person at times. But at the same time, though, I mean, 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:28.120 I think they really were talking about the fact that 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:30.640 Terry Kirby was out and so Bernie Palmdy was our 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:34.120 running back. Uh Keith Buyers out. James Saxon was our 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:36.120 fullback in that game. You know, so we did have 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:38.600 some key players out, but there was so much attention 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:41.760 paid to Irvan Friar and at times myself and Chief Jackson. 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:44.800 That guy's like Mike Williams made big plays. Guys like 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:47.520 Irvin Spikes running back was able to make some big plays. 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:49.920 Scotty Miller had a big first down in that game 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:52.320 as well wide receiver. So I get a bunch of 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:54.920 nobodies because he's never heard of, but I've seen those 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:57.280 guys working practice and they were ready when I got 0:07:57.320 --> 0:08:00.840 to the Dolphins. Guys like you know, John Mike Williams, 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:04.400 Johnny's brother Mike Williams, and and Scottie Miller are the 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:06.600 ones that taught me the offense. You know, they knew 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:08.960 more about the offense about anybody did. So they were 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:11.280 ready to play. They just to get the opportunity because 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:13.240 you know, at Seth would say a first round pick 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:15.440 came in like myself, or we traded for a guy 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:17.560 like Urban Fire and it kind of pumped him out 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:20.920 of the rotation. Hey, you know, it seems like the 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:23.520 Dolphins over if if you want to go this direction 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:25.480 in the nineties, you know, the no name defense in 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:28.200 the seventies is legendary. If you want to go that 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:31.160 direction in the nineties with plenty of playoff appearances and 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:34.079 then now in this defense that's frank second the NFL 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:36.760 and scoring. You know, I've heard on national shows like 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:38.679 they've got a bunch of no guy a bunch of 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:40.280 names that no one's ever heard of. Hey, if that, 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:42.800 if that's gonna be our badge, let's wear it, man, Like, 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:44.480 I'll take that as long as we're winning football games. 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:46.240 I don't I don't give a damn right. And I 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:48.480 think that's important, travelers. I think it's really important to 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:51.280 have a bunch of nobodies because you know, there's you 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:53.160 don't have the ego problems that you have when you 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:55.480 have a bunch of somebodies. You know, especially gonna look 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:57.079 on the offense side of the ball. You know, you 0:08:57.120 --> 0:08:59.360 and I before and talked about what happened to our 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:01.559 nineties three team. I think we had too many name 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:05.280 guys on that offense, and with only one football it's 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:07.000 tough to keep everybody happy, and I think that was 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:10.440 our downfall and didn't make the playoffs ninety three. I 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:12.160 think we still had quite a few of those guys 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:13.920 at the end, but when we had those no name 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:16.600 guys quote unquote, uh, they were the ones that were 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:19.960 catalysts for our success in that playoff game. Yeah, I 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:22.680 mean you can put together a roster almost by design 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:24.640 that way, right, like I think, and not to keep 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:27.120 going back to the current team, but Brian Flores, I 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:29.080 think has done a good job of making it more 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:31.160 about the team and having guys that buying too that 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:33.920 team first mindset over uh, you know, a star star 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:36.720 minded mindset and maybe golf a tangent here o j Like, 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:39.000 have you been around a team or a player where 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:41.800 there was a guy that maybe thought that the rules 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:43.959 didn't apply to him. And I know, you know, Jimmy 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:46.400 Johnson would always say, one guy's made this team, he's 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:48.840 number thirteen, Dan Marino or whatever his you know, famous 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:51.800 comment was. But have you been around a situation where 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:54.320 a player like that maybe wasn't the best, Like he 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:56.400 was going on the field, but maybe the overall net 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:59.679 game wasn't there because he was a problem off of it. Yeah, 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:01.360 there are. I mean, yeah, I've had a couple of 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:03.719 teammates that were eye guys, you know what I mean. 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:06.320 And it's kind of strange because you know, you look 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:09.120 at football and it's the cliche, the ultimate team sport. 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:11.360 But some guys thought it was all about them, you know, 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:13.400 especially like I said, on the offense side of the ball. 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:15.760 Defense is different. Defensive guys, they rally with each other, 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:18.240 they go out there and you know, they do their job. 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:20.839 They cover, they rushed past, and they make tackles. But 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:23.160 on offense, you know, you've got a bunch of guys 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:24.960 that want the ball in their hands. You know, then 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:27.280 they become less team players. You know, you're supposed to 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:29.440 be running off as a wide receiver on the back 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:31.520 side to protect the guy on the front side, and 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:33.520 you don't do it because your number is not called. 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:35.600 That's a big problem. And we did have a couple 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:38.079 of guys like that, and it became a problem in 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:40.320 the huddle. I know, Danny had to deal with it 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:43.200 before I got there, sometimes with Duper and Clayton. But 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:45.040 when I got there and it was over Fiing mark 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:48.400 Ingram and Keith Jackson, Keith Buyers Terry Kirby. I mean 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:50.560 that that one football man. We had to stretch it 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:53.040 a long way to make everybody happy, and it's it's 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:55.079 not a good situation a lot of times. Yeah, the 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:58.480 current Dolphins receivers coach joshkers Aard calls them brotherhood routes. 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:00.439 You have to run routes sometimes that aren't that's not 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:02.120 designed to get you the ball in the progression, but 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:04.040 you have to do it to hold defenders in certain spots, 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:05.880 whether it's his own coverage or you know, whatever might be. 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:08.360 It's it's a loving guys doing their job. It's it's 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:11.679 it's what's what's funn about Football's do your job exactly right, 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:14.120 do your job. But let's let's go back to the 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:16.000 game here and kind of, you know, it's funny we 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:18.559 go no name because you mentioned Irving Friar, a name 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:20.920 that we all know. And and he makes a catch 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:23.360 on the opening drive to get the Dolphins into scoring range. 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:26.319 But he does something that brings back memories of another 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:28.760 earlier Dolphins team, and Burman, once again on the Highlight, 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:32.520 mentions that Duriel Harris to Tony Nathan. He says, almost 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:35.680 two decades earlier, did we talked about Shula on the 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:37.800 car like I have to imagine he came over to 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:40.160 the sideline after that hook and lateral attempt and maybe 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:42.839 got an earful Yeah, you know what. And we did 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:45.800 it again the next weekend too in San Diego, and 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:48.000 that was that would end up being a fiord ladder. 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:50.040 That end up being a fumble because it was a 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:52.480 fill ladder. We got the ball back, so I mean 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:54.199 that got to his head. It's best the fact that 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:58.040 latterly to James Saxon, you know, I mean a fullback 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:00.480 that has some of the worse hands I think in football. 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:02.559 I mean, that was a risky move right there. But 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:05.160 zax was ready made a play. But yes, she love 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:07.560 you know, we weren't about all that, all that flare 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:09.440 and yeah, of course that one play with you know, 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:12.400 with Dario and Tony Nathan goes back in the day, 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:14.480 you know what I mean. But at the same time, now, man, 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:17.440 it was about you know, playing the game way supposed 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:19.640 to be played. Irvan had all that all that yard 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:22.400 we didn't really need that at that point. But Saxon 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:24.400 almost scored on that play. But Shula wasn't about that 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:26.880 most of the time. Yeah, you know, I didn't know 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:28.680 about that until I went back and watched it. And 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:30.640 it's funny you mentioned the Chargers game because when I 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:33.400 was on YouTube watching the game, it said next video 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:36.960 available was the divisional round and O J. I hate 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:38.640 to tell you this, but that's actually my first like 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:42.439 live Dolphins memory that I have was Toyanovitch missing that 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:45.520 field goal in that game, and I had to watch 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:47.199 the highlight of games. I didn't remember the game very 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:48.840 well because I was like seven eight years old, but 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:51.040 there was a couple of plays where they showed you 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:53.280 kind of getting fired up and and they showed the 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:56.200 four lateral. I couldn't understand the way that that ruling 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:58.679 was made, but hey, you know, good for good for us. 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:01.400 But but you think that had something to do with 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:03.319 the latter row decision. They're like, we did it last week, 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:06.240 we can do it again. Absolutely, I mean absolutely, it 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:08.880 was successful a week before. And I think it was 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:12.520 Irvan and Keith Jackson this time in that situation. But yeah, 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:14.600 I think once you started doing stuff like that, it's 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:15.959 kind of like the behind the back pass in the 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:18.720 basketball game to work before we do it again. Usually 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:20.760 it ends up in a turnover and that's what it was. 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:23.520 Almost his ashes for us right there. Yeah, it was funny. 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:25.839 I saw the highlight. I was like, what is he doing? 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:29.400 You throw a like five yards forward? But it worked 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:30.640 out in the I guess it didn't work down in 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:32.920 the end, but on that play it did. So you 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:34.840 guys go back down tied up, but the Chiefs come 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:37.960 right back down the field fifty seven yard for Kimball, 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:40.559 Anders and Juice, you know, going back to uh to 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:43.840 Shula again. And I don't think I've ever seen Brian 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:47.400 Cox make a worse tackle attempt in his career. He's 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:49.400 known for blowing guys up, but he kind of comes 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:51.840 in with the shoulder and just bounces off Anders on 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:54.360 this play, and then Sula does chew him out. And 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:56.920 as an offense, how do you guys responding something like 0:13:56.960 --> 0:13:59.080 that happens where a big play goes on the field 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:00.640 after you just getting the end? So like, is that 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:05.080 very deflating? Now? Our our offense just wanted damn ball back, 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:07.000 you know what I mean, We didn't care how it happened. 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:08.640 You know, if you get a three and out, you 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:10.400 know you punt of tools will take it, or if 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:12.120 they scored testing, and we're gonna try to come right 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:14.680 back and score two. You know, Brian Cox is the 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:16.760 heart and soul of that defense, you know, so we 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:18.320 know that. You know, if he didn't make a play, 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:19.960 he'd find a way to make up for it later 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:22.040 in the game. You know, I remember that play when 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:23.560 I was watching it the other day. It's like, you know, 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:25.880 he kind of knocked him out of Troy's tackle. Toroy 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:27.800 events was about to make the tackle, him and the 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:30.320 Cox bunking down the sideline and then he was off 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:32.720 to the racist. But you know, but you know, we're 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:36.240 grown men, and I saw as a as a rookie, 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:38.440 I saw how these grown men coaches and grown men 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:43.240 players got into it. You know, the arguments were legendary. 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:47.400 The four letter words they used were unbelievable. I couldn't 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:49.680 believe that that we this guys talked to their coaches 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:52.960 like that. So Sheula felt comfortable getting into Brian like that, 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:54.960 and Brian understood that he messed up, so he had 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:56.960 to go out there and kind of make amends. But 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:58.680 that was part of That's part of the NFL game 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:00.480 and a lot of locker. There was some no curse 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:02.960 in that Penn State, not one coach or player allowed 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:04.800 to cuss. But when I got to the NFL and 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:08.040 the Shuler's locker room and it was it was very interesting. 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:10.360 What was it? Was it mostly Brian or was it 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:12.920 a lot of guys? Well, you know, there's a lot 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:15.000 of guys. I mean I've heard I heard Danny and 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:17.600 you know Gary Stevens getting to a you know, get 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:20.080 into a big time argument, you know, in a meeting, 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:22.080 you know, and there was there were no kind words 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:25.040 use either way, you know, it was just like anybody 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:27.800 was able to go out there, and it was shocking 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:30.080 to hear the amount of landis that's used in some 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:32.520 of those locker rooms. Whereas you know, the other locker rooms, 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:34.440 I've heard that there was you know, very little that. 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:36.440 But ours was a bunch of grown men that had 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:37.960 a lot in their minds, to put it that way. 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:39.960 So this is probably a question for him, but he's 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:42.640 not here today. Seth always joins us on these flashbacks Fridays. 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:46.480 But you guys work together, you know, I guess co workers. 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:48.640 I guess that the term for it. I mean absolutely yeah. 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:51.480 So did did you ever see Seth like catching ear 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:53.480 full from somewhere or get you because he told me. 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:55.440 Seth told me once, you haven't worked in the NFL 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:57.800 until you've gotten chewed out by a head coach. I'm 0:15:57.800 --> 0:15:59.880 wondering if you ever saw anything with him and someone 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:03.240 giving him the business. Oh I didn't, I didn't, man, Seth. 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:05.680 Seth us he played it pretty cool, man, and he 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:08.480 usually does things by the book, so it's hard for 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:10.080 him to get chewed out. But you know, sometimes you 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:12.320 can do everything perfect, Travis, and you still get chewed out. 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:14.960 And so I'm sure he caught something from Harvey. I'm 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:18.000 sure he caught something from Jimmy. I mean, who knows, man, 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:20.120 But a lot of times it was never in my presence, 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:23.680 but Seth, like he always does handing like a champ. Sure, man, Yeah, 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:25.960 I'm no. Harvey had to give him the business. Quite 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:28.160 a few kames. He's told me about a few of them. 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:29.640 And maybe one of these days in the offseason, we 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:31.480 can have a crossing our podcast where we just go 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:34.360 into Seth's vault and let let him be the interview. 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:36.760 Subjects told me, Man, I said, we gotta you know 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:38.840 who was Seth Levin. We gotta do a podcast with 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:41.160 it because He's got some great stories, man, and you 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:43.280 know he likes to be behind the scenes too much 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:45.080 of times. I said, we gotta put you out there 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:47.720 at some point. Brother, he's so modest. I told him 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:49.920 I was gonna buy the Seth shirt from the fish 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:52.160 Tank that the merch and he goes. I told I 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:53.960