WEBVTT - JERRY CLARK - Streets Spaghetti 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.520 Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke. 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:06.200 I'm your host, Colleen Witt, and today we have very 0:00:06.240 --> 0:00:11.399 special guests. Legendary music exact Jerry Clark is in the building, 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:12.440 and get. 0:00:12.320 --> 0:00:13.240 It right, and. 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:15.640 Get it right. I wanted. 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:19.160 I also, no, I wasn't gonna mess up your name, 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:19.799 but I wanted to. 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:20.760 I wanted to talk. 0:00:20.960 --> 0:00:24.840 I also wanted to leave in the introduction the legendary 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:28.400 story time with Jerry Clark. That's why I wanted to 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:33.240 somehow segue so it's not just music Exac, but fellow. 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:37.199 Podcaster on iHeart Now. So I wanted to include all that. 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:38.120 I didn't forget the name. 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:40.519 I was just trying to get. 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:43.880 I wanted to I know, I was like, I wanted 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:46.760 to do the legendary storytime Jerry Clark, and then but 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:49.280 I also want to include legendary music Exac. 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:52.159 And then I was like, all right, let's focus on 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:53.199 what you're cooking for me. 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:55.400 Okay, I'm gonna. 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:58.240 Keep it very, very very basic, and I'm gonna do 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:01.720 some spaghetti with the signature ground Turkey that I grew. 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:03.840 Up that my mom used to use signature. 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:06.399 I mean, I guess everybody's ground turkey now. 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:08.440 But we when I was growing up as a kid 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:11.880 in Chicago, my mom she was you know, we didn't 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:12.520 really eat a lot. 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:13.160 Of beef and pork. 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:18.520 So years ago, in the seventies, we ate turkey, ground turkey, 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:21.840 turkey bacon. So that's why my love for turkey come from. 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:24.959 So that's why I cook everything with not everything, but 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:33.680 a lot. So my spaghetti's I like that. 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:54.040 So while you hop up and get in the kitchen 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:59.800 for me, I ain't really let me tell you. 0:01:57.520 --> 0:01:59.400 You know, I do a lot of other things good. 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:04.840 But see the streets, the streets. 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:06.360 I'm sorry, you're gonna have. 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:09.679 The streets. What did you say? 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:14.119 You screamed the streets, Jerry, I'm gonna say it now, 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:18.239 legendary Jerry Clark, scream streets. 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:20.400 Are you married right now? I don't want to say that. 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:26.600 If you're married, I'm streets. 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:32.000 I was married before I was married, before the streets 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:32.960 you got sweat. 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:36.880 Streets have anything to do with the possible ending. 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:41.640 No, no, not that I'm a square. I'm a quiet square, 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:45.000 real the quiet square guy. 0:02:45.639 --> 0:02:46.160 I'm gonna cook. 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:48.359 I find that hard to believe you. 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:52.639 You're legendary and music exact. You work with all these Southern. 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:56.400 Rappers and yes, so what does that have to do 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:57.400 with me being in the streets? 0:02:57.400 --> 0:02:57.720 Colon. 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:00.640 By the end of the interview, I'm gonna we're gonna 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:02.200 determine if you if you was for. 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:05.679 The streets or if you are a square. We shall see. 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:08.400 Why No, But you know what, technically you can be both. 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:12.520 You could be that's someone that's from the streets. 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:14.600 But say that you could be both. 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:16.760 Okay, but you look, I have not to cut you 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:19.640 off and have some mom of wheat noodles that I 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:20.239 like to use. 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:22.320 Yeah, I noticed that you were very particular. What's up 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:23.920 with the wheat? I didn't even know they sold wheat 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:24.960 until you said wheat? 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:26.040 Come on calling you stop? 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:27.880 I was like, shit, how do you tell? I literally 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:29.519 looked at the noodles. I said, how do you tell 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:30.280 which ones are weak? 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:32.400 And then I saw some that look like wheat, and 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:34.720 then I saw some that said wheat, and I said. 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:37.480 Okay, Coling, you had never heard of wheat noodles. 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:40.040 I eat protein noodles. Have you heard of protein noodles? 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:44.600 Sadly, just like you got white bread, you got wheat bread. 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:47.480 So it's anything you can you know. 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:49.440 What's your obsession with these wheats? They taste better? 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:52.040 Nah, just like them, their little healthy And I'll eat 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:54.800 some mom, I'll eat someone where do U tells? I'll 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:57.840 eat some Mom, I'll eat some white noodles? 0:03:59.000 --> 0:03:59.440 Okay? 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:01.440 Yes? Will okay? 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:05.200 And you know you cook all that spaghettiod for two? 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:06.960 Yeah? 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:11.120 All right almost? 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:14.800 Yeah, I wasna. Look, I'm I'm I'm talking and cooking 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:16.880 and I'm not. I never usually do that, and I 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:21.120 really don't cook a lot. You should, I feel very 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:24.800 you should. Okay, so you definitely should. 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:25.000 You cook it. 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:26.719 Take me back to what was going on during this 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:32.440 time of spaghetti noodles with ground turkey. 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:36.000 I had a very simple upbringing. Uh. 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:39.400 My parents were married before before my father passed in 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:41.840 twenty sixteen, they were married for forty five years. 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:44.600 So I had a good solid upbringing. 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:52.680 Uh, three siblings. I'm second in the pecking order, so 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:57.880 I watched a family, you know, growing up. My mom 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:01.720 was big into, well, my errands were being into you know, 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:03.960 having dinner. No matter what we had, whether it was 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:07.839 practice or you know, moving around, we had to have dinner, 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:10.159 whether it was five ten minutes before we you know, 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:13.159 every night. So all that to say, I I came 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:16.440 up in a in a very I'm very appreciative of 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:17.000 coming up in. 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:21.480 A very stable, solid upbringing, cause I look at shit. 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:24.919 Now, sh was it middle class or oh. 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:25.679 No, we ain't had no money? 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:29.080 Okay, we ain't had no money. Okay, we was in Chicago. 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:31.080 We moved in ox to Tennessee for a quick minute, 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:34.680 and then we moved down south. Well, we moved farther 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:40.200 south Carotlanta, Okay, And that was the best decision my 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:43.560 parents could haven't made, because I loved this city. It 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:46.440 was you know, of course, being a black mecca. I 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:48.200 was able to go to high school here and just 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:51.600 really grow okay and spread my wings. And here I 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:55.560 am in this great city of Atlanta City, here with you, Colad, 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:58.920 cooking some spaghetti with ground turkey. 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:02.560 Did the economics change in your family when they moved 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:03.120 to Atlanta? 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:05.760 Also, yes, yes, it did get better than Chicago. We 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:08.039 didn't have no money Knoxville, we didn't have no money. 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:10.599 But when we gave him the Atlanta things, you know, 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:13.800 got a lot better financially from my parents. So, of course, 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:15.039 you know that made a big difference. 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:17.880 Were your parents in the industry in any capacity. 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:18.520 No, no. 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:23.240 But my uncle was the late Gray Stanley Bethel was 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:26.880 He was in the music business, and that was my 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:30.160 first foray into the music business cause he used to 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:33.560 take me to the different conventions, the Jack the Rapper conventions, 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:38.800 br conventions, Impact, and I just fell in love with 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:40.960 to be honest, I first fell in love with the 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:43.559 glamory and the glitz of just being in the mix 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:48.120 and being around him. He taught me a lot because 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:51.120 he was in the industry for years, and he used 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:52.800 to tell me, and I got to see it from 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:57.599 myself that this shit is very fickle and phony, but 0:06:57.720 --> 0:06:59.160 you have to find something to. 0:06:59.160 --> 0:06:59.880 Keep you grounded. 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:01.840 What did he mean by that? 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:05.080 Like that you're going to bet a lot of people 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:08.440 that are phoning in a three dollar fucking bill in 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:12.000 this music business. And I've been surrounded by those type 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:15.160 unethical phony people, not all of them, because I know 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:18.280 some great individuals that are like family to me now. 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:21.720 But this industry, unfortunately, it has been very fit when 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:24.200 it's very phone. To this day, it still lives. But 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:26.560 I learned the maneuver, run maneuver. 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:28.280 You know I have you know, I have three kids, 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:32.840 So having a family and being grounded with a solid 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:34.840 you know, I tend to think that I'm a very 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:35.680 spiritual person. 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:38.160 So what what kept you grounded? 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:40.880 My family? My kids, your. 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:43.160 Kids, and your wife and all that at the time. Yeah, 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:44.760 my kids, okay, your kids. 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:45.200 Yeah. 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:47.360 And then what was like your first encounter with the 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:49.960 phony and the fake, Like. 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:52.640 What was your very first like oh shit, like reality check. 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:57.440 I don't remember one incident, but just the fact that, 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:00.520 like you're meeting people and go to meeting people say hey, Colleen, 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:01.400 this is what we go do. 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:04.720 We're go do this deal. Let's say blah, let's handshake 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:07.559 on it. Then you don't never hear from him again. 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:08.680 Oh I don't like that. 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:11.360 It should always bugged me out, like why would we 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:14.360 go through all this shit and talk about this and 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:16.800 say we're going to do something. 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:20.200 If we can't do it, just say, hey, man, something happen, 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:21.600 We're not gonna be able to do this deal right 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:22.280 now or the. 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:24.920 Budget change that but just disappeared that shit is that 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:27.480 shit is whack. Yeah, that shit is whack. 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:31.320 This shit is whack. So it wasn't just Coleen, It 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:34.439 wasn't just one incident. It was really numerous ones. 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:39.640 Because I came I started interning at two labels. This 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:47.560 was ninety three ninety four, so in those early nineties, 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:49.360 of course, the game was way different than what it 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:53.000 is now. So I came in and I was able 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:57.680 to learn from street promotions and you know, taking it 0:08:57.720 --> 0:08:59.960 from that ground level. 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:00.000 And taking it. 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:02.880 Yeah, that's like the start starts. 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:03.920 Oh yeah. 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:06.040 And then what were the rappers around that time? 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:08.640 Uh, well, you're only in hip hop at the time, 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:10.080 because hip hop was fairly. 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:13.280 New, right, well, not really fairly new. But one of 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:17.880 the labels UH interned for was Relativity. Ruthless Red Distribution. 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:19.640 Had an office here in Atlata, Okay. 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:22.440 So of course on the Roofless side, that's you know, 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:26.559 Easy E mc rae and Bomb Thugs, Holes. 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:29.319 With Attitude did and all those guys too. 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:33.560 And then on the Relativity side was more East Coast, 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:37.560 the beat Nuts, Fat Joe Common, So I was able 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:39.520 to get that experience. And then at the same time 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:44.319 I was internal for independent label. Brother Marquis from two 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:48.240 Live Crew and the super producer DJ Toomp had a 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:51.160 label and I interned for them. So that tells you 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:53.199 how bad I wanted to be in it because I 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:54.120 can turn it too. 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:56.400 Label and did you have to work like side jobs 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:59.800 in addition to the internet. Well, were you trying to 0:09:59.840 --> 0:10:01.720 how have your parents? 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:04.240 I just told this story recently for the first time. 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:07.240 Excuse me. I was working at Delta Airlines. 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:10.000 Oh shoot, shout out. Okay. 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:10.440 Yeah. 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:16.320 So I remember coming home and telling my parents that 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:21.480 I wasn't working at Delta anymore, and my mom kind 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:22.120 of lost it. 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:26.079 Like what they got. It's a good job. You could 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:28.360 have worked benefits, you could have worked there for years. 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:30.840 What were you doing at Delta? Were you like a student? 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:31.640 Uh? 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:35.640 They had a program for for students, college students at 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:39.520 that time. I was in school for a couple of years, and. 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:41.400 So we we just did customer It was customer service, 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:44.079 some of us at the gate. Some it just depends, 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:45.120 but it was customer service. 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:50.120 So my mom, you know, in her defense, she she 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:51.960 had the right to be mad because I was young. 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:54.120 My dad pulled me to the side, he said, hey, 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:58.240 come here, some excuse me, he said, go for it. 0:10:59.320 --> 0:10:59.679 Shout out. 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:03.160 Rest in peace, Tom Clark. I love you, brother, I 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:03.920 miss you too. 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:07.800 But and you told her, like the reason why is 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:08.959 because you really wanted. 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:09.960 To put all your buckets in this. 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:11.640 I have no income. 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:15.120 So she was like, were you living with them? Yes, 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:18.320 I was young, okay, shout out to Papa. Duke's okay. 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:22.000 So that put me on. It's like he put the 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:24.800 batteries at my back to go forward. 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:25.839 I love that. 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:30.559 And then from the internship things just start happening. Things 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:34.240 just start rolling, and my career started taking off. 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:40.040 And when did you get that first? Like that? 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:45.160 I was in the music and Freaknick Weekend. 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:53.520 Uh. Of course, men. 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:57.640 Talk about talk about hey, this is out of hey man, this, 0:11:57.880 --> 0:11:59.319 I'm trying to brown my ground. 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:02.320 Turn because you're turning it off. You got to turn 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:03.320 that doll the other way. 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:07.440 It says, okay, you know I'm three quarters slow. 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:09.160 Well no, I'm realizing. 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:13.840 Quarter right now. 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:16.800 I'm right now, I'm three quarters slow that You're never 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:19.680 in the kitchen. Why is it not. 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:24.360 Getting because look no, look look look Collen. It says 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:26.800 high and it says low. But I saw the dot. 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:29.040 He was getting real close to the doctor. 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:36.199 It was so so freaking weekend every year. Of course, 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:39.320 every artist came to land. 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:45.640 So I was still interning at this point with Relativity Ruthless, 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:49.600 and we had we had m c ran in town 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:53.960 and he came by my apartment and I couldn't believe 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:55.440 it because you know, I was such an n w 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:59.360 A fan. I was man and I was like, I'm 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:00.000 in the industry. 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:02.400 Became by your apartment or your parents' house. 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:05.200 At that point, I had moved, I had got me 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:07.760 a little one barrel, so he came by my apartment. 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:11.040 Oh wow, and I was like, damn, I made it 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:15.320 and she ran foreign apartment. So that was like the 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:16.800 first time that I felt even though I. 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:18.640 Was no money. 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:22.880 Yeah, but that's when I was I felt like, Okay, 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:25.800 I'm really in this business. Yeah, but literally I know 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:29.040 that it would take for years of me really cultivating 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:32.680 certain relationships to really be in this business. 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:33.040 Yeah. 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:37.200 So but that was that was really my first time. Yeah, 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:39.960 I was like damn in my apartment. 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:43.520 So I know, for me personally, like I was an 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:45.400 entrepreneur for a long time, but it wasn't until I 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:48.400 bought my first house where I really was like I'm legit, 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:52.560 like one of bank ones to you based on the money, 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:54.360 because you know, you always feel like a hustler, maybe 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:57.959 imposter syndrome. What was that next time or you were 0:13:58.000 --> 0:13:59.640 like Okay, I'm legit. 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:05.880 Legit honestly, when I started getting paid. 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:07.920 Yeah, let's talk about that. Okay, Well it. 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:10.880 Wasn't a lot. It wasn't a lot. 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:15.760 Relativity eventually hired me, uh that our our I think 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:17.640 our VP, I think he was VP. His name was 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:22.720 Muhammad Ali and the national our national director was rich Kid. 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:25.240 That was his name, and they hired me to do streets. 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:27.440 And guess what my salary was. I was on a 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:31.640 monthly stipend of five hundred dollars. 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:34.880 I mean back then that was probably cool, right, No, 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:36.200 it was still bad. 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:38.200 No, but it didn't matter. It could have been five. 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:40.200 I was just the fact that I was getting a check. 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:43.080 Yeah, of course, doing what you cared about, and at 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:45.680 this point you're probably killing the game in promotions. 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:47.840 Yeah I was, Yeah, I was. I was. 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:50.000 I was definitely good at what I what I did, 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:54.800 and still good at what I do. But when I 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:56.840 got a check for it, that's when I was like, okay, 0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:59.120 and I showed my parents and it was okay, you know, 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:01.560 you know, one hundred dollars a month, that's a start. 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:04.440 But then within a few years that five hundred turned 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:07.760 into thousands and thousands because my career started. 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:10.320 Growing and what was that next thing that made your 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:11.000 career start. 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:14.200 A lot happened. 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:16.720 Like I said, I started working for other labels doing 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:17.560 street promotions. 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:23.040 But then Racist Records. Uh. For those who don't know 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:26.360 Most Depth talive quality, you know. 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:28.280 We had sound bombing and we had a lot of 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:29.720 stuff with eminem Common. 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:32.960 They called us the backpack label. So Racist Records hired me. 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:36.040 And why would they call what does the backpack label mean? 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:40.400 It's backpackers? Like that's that. 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:42.200 That's what we were known as the backpack Look at 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:43.840 look at the artists and I'm talking about and this 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:47.920 is and I love most depth talive quality, but at 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:49.920 that moment in the nineties, it was. 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:53.600 More of the backpack kids, you know. That's what they 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:55.120 called us, the backpack label. 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:58.000 And a lot of white kids listened to the artist 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:00.560 you know, listen to the artists we had on the label, 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:02.480 Eastern Conference, all those artists. 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:03.200 Uh. 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:06.400 So I started working with Rackus Records, and then from 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:09.400 there I started taking on other positions. I was working 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:13.360 here at in my distribution offices marketing. We had verg 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:16.920 in Capitol Records. Then Outcasts hired me to run their 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:18.720 promotion department at their label. 0:16:18.960 --> 0:16:19.200 Wow. 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:23.560 Yeah, they had they had a label as well, so 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:27.160 I was working with with with the label Aquimini. That 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:31.040 was the first before it became Purple Ribbon Records. So 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:33.040 then I, you know, then Steve Rifkins. Shout out to 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:37.760 Steve Rifkin. Uh, he's one of the biggest icons in 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:38.640 this music game. 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:42.360 He brought me on, Uh, you're looking at I might 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:42.880 burn the man. 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:44.640 You ain't got to look like that's how you cutting 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:47.840 your eye cut her eye and me like, I'm about 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:50.560 to burn up the whole studio. Colleen, I don't do 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:57.680 me like that. But uh so after that, uh, and 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:00.040 these are just jobs. And keep in mind I still. 0:16:59.880 --> 0:17:04.359 Was on ms of things. Yeah, consoleting man, I have 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:04.800 my own. 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:08.119 So you're like, now now you're like a hustler, slash promoter, 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:08.840 a hustler. 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:12.400 I just became that one of those. 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:15.840 Dude, Like I became that nigga I mean. 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:20.359 Ship, Yeah, that niggas in that line of nigga. I 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:21.359 was one of them niggas. 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:23.720 Yeah, so I like how you did that. I was 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:24.639 one of them niggas. Niggas. 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:25.720 Yeah, I was ship. 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:28.480 You know, I tend to think I still am, but 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:35.240 you know, see that because I'm for the streets streets 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:37.960 on very sorry. Oh boy man, I just want to 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:39.840 come and do a great interview with you. 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:40.720 You're doing a great job. 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:45.600 Great you said you're saying women love the dudes from 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:48.120 the street. 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:50.119 Because I heard you not not to change. But I 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:52.560 heard you doing another interview and you said you got 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:56.119 like slots, but we're gonna leaves. We're gonna stay on. 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:58.840 We're go stay on point. I'm gonna cook my brown, 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:02.119 my little ground turkey. Yeah, she said she got slots. 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:04.960 Okay, back to your story. 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:06.520 So yeah, Steve Rifkin. 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:11.200 Icon, Steve Rifkin brought me over to work with him 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:15.760 as vice president of SRC, and we had you know, 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:18.200 Ashra Roth and I mean Steve Rifkin, I don't have 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:20.280 to tell, but those who don't know, I mean he 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:23.520 brought he signed some of the biggest acts in the 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:26.919 history of hip hop. So when I worked for him, 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:28.639 I thought like, Wow, I'm working for one of the 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:33.119 biggest icons. And I went from there to Shakir the 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:36.560 Late Let me let me preface the late Great Shakir 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:39.919 Steward Rest in peace. Him and Jermaine dupri and La 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:42.480 Red brought me over to Island depth Jam to work 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:47.679 with on JD side to run a promotion department. And 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:50.320 so that's that's just you know, I'm going through. I'm 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:53.879 giving you a cliff no version of of my my 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:54.960 career in his business. 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:58.399 And that's just from having jobs. That's not all the 0:18:58.440 --> 0:18:59.080 other things. 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:01.320 And that's why you have to tune into story time 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:04.000 with Legendary Jerry podcast because I talk about all the 0:19:04.080 --> 0:19:05.280 other things that I do. 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:07.159 Before we even well, I want to get to all 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:09.240 some of the other stuff you do, but I want 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:13.760 to talk about promotions for a second, since you are 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:17.639 the goat promotions when comes definitely not the music music marketing, 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:19.760 Well you definitely, Okay, well. 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:21.359 Definitely, Now I can name some goats. 0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:23.919 Now share share with me some of the tippits that 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:32.280 you learned along that helped with your promotions. 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:33.320 At least well in radio, in radio, in radio promotions 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:40.560 and marketing. There's really one thing that really pushes the 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:48.399 needle and Colleen, that's relationships. You have to nurture. You 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:52.760 have to develop and nurture relationships. That's the end all 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:58.680 be all. You keep great relationships, you have a very 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:01.560 very successful career. It's all about relationships. 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:03.480 At the end of the day. That's it. 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:06.560 And when you're talking relationships, you're talking about relationships and. 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:08.879 Media radio across the board. 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:10.639 Okay, yeah, And I'm. 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:20.480 Sure even in politics, we'll get there. I'm gonna get there, you. 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:23.840 See, I know, I know why you look, even in politics, 0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:25.600 even in politics, let me cut it. 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:27.120 Look, let me look now, I can cut it down. 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:30.680 Okay, cut it down. Why you shout that look? Is 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:31.320 that off limit? 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:31.840 No? 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:33.480 Okay, because we ain't gonna leave. 0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:34.800 It listening for transparency? 0:20:34.840 --> 0:20:50.040 Right since since we did segue into politics, did we 0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:53.320 pass this chapter in your life yet or you didn't 0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:53.840 skip over it? 0:20:54.000 --> 0:20:54.240 Right? 0:20:55.800 --> 0:21:02.120 They kind of they kind of overlap because I got 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:08.840 into politics. It really wasn't my idea, to be honest. 0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:12.240 It was other people's idea because they saw so much 0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:17.360 potential in me, uh, from a leadership standpoint. So it 0:21:17.400 --> 0:21:20.320 was like, what we're going to do is we want 0:21:20.320 --> 0:21:23.560 to appoint you to a board called the zone and Board. 0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:27.119 H and Colleen, I had no clue what the fucking. 0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:31.879 Zoning board was, but come to find out that it 0:21:32.000 --> 0:21:35.000 is a very powerful board no matter what municipality you in. 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:39.040 And they appointed me, that appointed me to that board. 0:21:41.080 --> 0:21:44.760 The folks that that that that random county that I 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:47.000 was living in, which is right here in Atlanta, nor Carolanta. 0:21:47.840 --> 0:21:53.080 Uh so, uh so your relationships at this point are buzzing. 0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:58.240 Yeah, that's you could drain the water into that. I 0:21:58.280 --> 0:21:58.760 was trying to help. 0:21:59.520 --> 0:22:01.359 I was if you will help me. If you was 0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:02.719 gonna help me, you would have had a strainer. 0:22:03.320 --> 0:22:06.040 Tell this eating wall broke. You better use one of those. 0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:08.439 Yeah, use one of those tools. 0:22:08.560 --> 0:22:10.840 I forget the eighty five South. They built this whole 0:22:10.880 --> 0:22:11.679 set for us here. 0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:13.440 And shout out to eighty five South. I could pour 0:22:13.520 --> 0:22:14.200 all this in here. 0:22:15.040 --> 0:22:16.760 See that's how I know you ain't in the kitchen. 0:22:16.760 --> 0:22:19.520 You better use stop you Let me just say something 0:22:19.560 --> 0:22:23.160 to all y'all listeners. He taking the raw meat thing 0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:26.280 and he can keep swapping, so like if we have 0:22:26.359 --> 0:22:27.720 some kind of bacterial thing. 0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:30.560 I just want to just high like that. 0:22:30.560 --> 0:22:33.520 Jerry Clark, reason in your mouth than this. 0:22:35.200 --> 0:22:42.200 Oh my god, Jerry, Arry, you're gonna be an atl 0:22:42.680 --> 0:22:43.639 Are you going back to l A. 0:22:43.880 --> 0:22:46.439 I'm having a great time, but this is I. 0:22:46.320 --> 0:22:49.040 Had to let me look, let me use something else. 0:22:49.119 --> 0:22:51.080 Now you see how I switched it up. 0:22:51.520 --> 0:22:53.160 Yeah, after we already died of. 0:22:55.240 --> 0:22:57.320 Did anyone else think that when they were seeing him 0:22:57.440 --> 0:22:59.280 switch those utensils. 0:22:58.760 --> 0:23:01.640 Out because nobody look, because they're. 0:23:01.440 --> 0:23:03.720 Not eating it. They don't care exactly. 0:23:03.400 --> 0:23:07.640 Like I said, but we go. I'm not gonna get 0:23:07.760 --> 0:23:08.360 your Backteriy. 0:23:08.400 --> 0:23:14.440 But anyway, Hey, y'all, this is Colleen, this is Jerry Clark. 0:23:14.440 --> 0:23:16.560 We're having a great time and this mill is about 0:23:16.560 --> 0:23:17.040 to be even. 0:23:17.560 --> 0:23:20.520 We don't see no season. All I know is mean. 0:23:20.520 --> 0:23:24.560 There's no seasoning. There's no seasons of season. I didn't 0:23:24.560 --> 0:23:26.480 know this. This is my first time, said by. 0:23:26.680 --> 0:23:29.520 What seasons do you need? Let's not don't look, don't look, 0:23:30.280 --> 0:23:30.720 don't look. 0:23:31.080 --> 0:23:35.080 Watch there we go. 0:23:37.680 --> 0:23:38.679 I just wanted to see, if you. 0:23:38.680 --> 0:23:40.000 Know, hold on, let me stand up. 0:23:40.000 --> 0:23:42.600 When I do this, this see this, this goes into 0:23:42.640 --> 0:23:44.280 jiggo Jerry for the strict look. 0:23:44.640 --> 0:23:56.399 Ah, okay, okay, okay, Jerry, I'm sorry. I'm having a 0:23:56.400 --> 0:23:58.840 great time. All right, let's go back to the politics. 0:23:58.880 --> 0:24:00.960 Because I want to get to prison sentences and all 0:24:01.000 --> 0:24:03.320 that good stuff. Okay, I I don't want to get 0:24:03.400 --> 0:24:05.600 to that. I want to get to the promised Land. 0:24:07.240 --> 0:24:11.480 So uh so fast forward. I was appointed to the board. 0:24:11.520 --> 0:24:14.000 I was on the board for a few years. And 0:24:14.200 --> 0:24:16.600 at this time, I was still flying back and forth 0:24:16.640 --> 0:24:20.760 to New York for my meetings. And let me say this, 0:24:22.480 --> 0:24:24.679 I'm all about accountability. So I'm not gonna sit here 0:24:24.720 --> 0:24:26.520 and act like that I didn't do anything wrong. I 0:24:26.520 --> 0:24:29.639 would never do that. But you know, in the music 0:24:29.680 --> 0:24:34.480 industry or period, if somebody takes care of you, say hey, 0:24:35.040 --> 0:24:37.520 send me an invoice for whatever, can you shoot them 0:24:37.520 --> 0:24:40.520 back some it's just you know, appreciate, scratch my back 0:24:40.680 --> 0:24:46.000 and politics, that's bribery, and you go to federal prison 0:24:46.040 --> 0:24:46.320 for that. 0:24:48.240 --> 0:24:50.680 So they took care of you. You blessed them. 0:24:50.840 --> 0:24:51.480 Individual. 0:24:52.480 --> 0:24:54.640 He needed some he needed some help with a vote, 0:24:55.240 --> 0:24:57.479 and I gave him my vote, and I told him 0:24:57.520 --> 0:25:00.760 I needed some help. I was flying some black kids 0:25:00.760 --> 0:25:03.720 out to California to play baseball in the baseball tournament, 0:25:04.000 --> 0:25:06.160 and I needed some help paying for those plane tickets, 0:25:06.200 --> 0:25:10.040 and he helped me. The amount was thirty five hundred dollars. 0:25:11.119 --> 0:25:15.480 I went to federal prison for nine months for three thousand, 0:25:15.760 --> 0:25:17.520 five hundred dollars. 0:25:20.240 --> 0:25:22.720 That's a heavy that's a heavy fist. 0:25:22.840 --> 0:25:23.359 It was, it was. 0:25:23.520 --> 0:25:25.800 It was so interesting when I got down to Maxwell 0:25:25.880 --> 0:25:29.159 Federal Prison camp in Montgomery, Alabama, that a lot of 0:25:29.160 --> 0:25:32.320 people on my work detail and in my dorm. 0:25:32.960 --> 0:25:35.359 Card man, you ain't even have a no three thousand dollars. 0:25:36.080 --> 0:25:39.520 I was like, Yeah, what the fuck you piss out? 0:25:41.000 --> 0:25:41.320 That's me. 0:25:41.720 --> 0:25:43.919 I was in Downing in twenty fifteen. I went to 0:25:43.960 --> 0:25:48.520 prison twenty sixteen, so I did nine months of federal prison. 0:25:48.680 --> 0:25:50.199 And I'm able to say this now, I'm looking at 0:25:50.200 --> 0:25:52.520 the camera and say it. That's one of the best 0:25:52.520 --> 0:25:53.520 things that ever happened to me. 0:25:54.800 --> 0:25:57.440 I never thought I would ever say that, Yeah, tell me, why, 0:25:57.560 --> 0:25:59.600 tell me why nine months. 0:25:59.359 --> 0:26:02.920 Because let me tell you something I got a call from. 0:26:03.240 --> 0:26:05.480 We're gonna go back to the people in the music 0:26:05.560 --> 0:26:08.760 business that that really helped me and that really grew me. 0:26:08.800 --> 0:26:12.720 Outside of my uncle Stanley Bethel, there's a young lady 0:26:13.520 --> 0:26:17.520 by the name of Sherry Riley. She has books. She's 0:26:17.560 --> 0:26:21.280 a very motivational person. She's just a great person, and 0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:23.840 she helped me early on in the music business. But 0:26:23.960 --> 0:26:27.159 outside of that, she helped me early on personally as well. 0:26:28.320 --> 0:26:31.560 And she called me. I was in a deep depression, 0:26:33.240 --> 0:26:35.280 had to sell my house. I just went through divorce. 0:26:35.320 --> 0:26:37.240 We didn't talk about that. I just went through a divorce, 0:26:38.600 --> 0:26:42.280 sold my house, my daddy died the same day I 0:26:42.280 --> 0:26:45.320 got sentence to federal prison. So I was in a deep, 0:26:45.480 --> 0:26:48.919 deep depression. I didn't think I knew what depression was, 0:26:48.960 --> 0:26:50.920 but I found out I was in a deep depression. 0:26:51.359 --> 0:26:53.440 She called me one morning before I turned myself into 0:26:53.480 --> 0:26:56.240 federal prison and she said, call me about five thirty 0:26:56.280 --> 0:26:57.080 six am. 0:26:57.720 --> 0:26:59.400 And she said, she. 0:26:59.359 --> 0:27:04.280 Said, Jerry, what is synonymous with nine months? And I 0:27:04.320 --> 0:27:08.680 said childbirth? And she said, God is birth in the 0:27:08.760 --> 0:27:13.280 new U. Pay attention. Those were some of the greatest 0:27:13.320 --> 0:27:16.879 words I ever heard. So shout out to Sherry Riley. 0:27:17.600 --> 0:27:19.399 That's an amazing perspective. 0:27:19.480 --> 0:27:23.800 Yes, but you can't say day three. I went to 0:27:23.880 --> 0:27:26.080 jail one time for twenty four hours. It was a terrible, 0:27:26.400 --> 0:27:27.359 terrible experience. 0:27:27.640 --> 0:27:28.879 Want prison. 0:27:29.080 --> 0:27:32.359 Yeah, it felt like prison, felt like real legit. 0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:35.080 And when Cat Williams did the interview, he said, no, no, no, no, 0:27:35.080 --> 0:27:36.359 no no, I went to jail. 0:27:36.720 --> 0:27:40.840 Not I went to prison. You went to jail. 0:27:40.880 --> 0:27:42.520 Okay, there's a difference. Huh. 0:27:42.880 --> 0:27:43.120 Ship. 0:27:43.280 --> 0:27:46.359 Yeah, you can't drop the soap or nothing, or I 0:27:46.400 --> 0:27:47.399 had to go. I had to do it. 0:27:47.440 --> 0:27:54.040 I had to do it. Yeah, because one of those 0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:57.400 was that drop the sap was in your slot, that's why. 0:27:59.440 --> 0:28:02.240 But no, but I went to and one thing I 0:28:02.280 --> 0:28:04.240 can say, I went to a federal prison camp. 0:28:04.520 --> 0:28:08.040 So it wasn't was it like the like FB, like 0:28:08.119 --> 0:28:09.680 the white collar crime prison. 0:28:09.880 --> 0:28:11.520 It was street niggas there too, But yeah, it was 0:28:11.560 --> 0:28:14.600 a lot of white collar attorneys, doctors, bankers. 0:28:15.520 --> 0:28:18.560 I want. I went around because I feel like. 0:28:19.160 --> 0:28:21.359 In the fan system make at different levels. Now I 0:28:21.400 --> 0:28:23.560 was at a camp. You got a camp, you gotta low, 0:28:23.680 --> 0:28:24.200 you got. 0:28:24.000 --> 0:28:26.880 A medium, you got a high. You got to put aitendency. 0:28:26.920 --> 0:28:28.520 So I was at a camp. I was at the lowest. 0:28:28.880 --> 0:28:29.920 So it was like luxuries. 0:28:30.040 --> 0:28:34.359 Well, prison ain't never let imies. 0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:35.320 That went to jail and like you could like get 0:28:35.359 --> 0:28:36.840 them food and stuff. 0:28:39.000 --> 0:28:41.280 I don't know that happen. That didn't happen where I. 0:28:41.320 --> 0:28:43.040 Was, Okay, So what happened in jail? 0:28:44.160 --> 0:28:46.920 What happened that ship? I worked every day. I went 0:28:46.920 --> 0:28:47.880 out on the base and. 0:28:49.320 --> 0:28:51.959 I was on landscape and detail, and I went out 0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:55.400 and cut gray, I played softball, I did yoga. 0:28:56.440 --> 0:28:58.240 Well you said it wasn't it. 0:28:58.160 --> 0:29:00.400 Wasn't great that I went, Now, hold on, it wasn't 0:29:00.440 --> 0:29:03.360 great of going to pray. It was great of what 0:29:03.440 --> 0:29:06.840 it did to me what I needed to get back 0:29:07.760 --> 0:29:12.520 right spiritually and everything. I needed that situation at nine months, 0:29:12.560 --> 0:29:15.240 like I said, Sherry Raley told me I needed a 0:29:15.360 --> 0:29:18.200 new me birth, birth with a ED. 0:29:19.560 --> 0:29:20.400 And that's what that did. 0:29:21.000 --> 0:29:23.800 It birth knew me and I needed that because I 0:29:23.840 --> 0:29:27.000 had been skating by in life, living great financially, great, 0:29:27.280 --> 0:29:32.840 beautiful family, three kids, but it's still I was surrounding 0:29:32.880 --> 0:29:37.360 myself with certain people that I should have and not 0:29:37.480 --> 0:29:38.400 just that, but I was. 0:29:40.520 --> 0:29:41.440 I just needed to be a. 0:29:41.360 --> 0:29:48.120 Better person in that situation strengthened me spiritually, because when 0:29:48.120 --> 0:29:51.160 you get knocked down to that canvas. I'm gonna say 0:29:51.160 --> 0:29:53.400 it again, my daddy died the same day I got 0:29:53.440 --> 0:29:57.240 sent as the federal prison. When I got the federal prison, 0:29:57.760 --> 0:30:01.520 not even a maybe a month until my sentence, I 0:30:01.520 --> 0:30:04.800 got a call that my daughter in college up in 0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:06.960 New York had a suicide attempt. 0:30:08.280 --> 0:30:13.240 So I was getting I'm getting hit every which way. 0:30:13.280 --> 0:30:16.200 So I got knocked down to that campus, and sometimes 0:30:16.200 --> 0:30:17.880 when you get knocked down to that campus, you get 0:30:18.040 --> 0:30:23.120 knocked down to positions praying. So I'm gonna say that 0:30:23.480 --> 0:30:26.720 it helped me spiritually and it helped me just become 0:30:26.720 --> 0:30:28.880 a better person. I don't wish prison on nobody. That 0:30:28.920 --> 0:30:32.120 shit is like somebody told me when I first got there. 0:30:32.160 --> 0:30:33.680 They was like, card, you ain't really gonna be here 0:30:33.720 --> 0:30:36.000 that long. You hear nine months, but this shit is 0:30:36.040 --> 0:30:37.320 like being dead while you alive. 0:30:39.040 --> 0:30:41.320 Plus nine months feels like eternity. 0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:45.120 Right, motherfucker felt like nine years. You can't eat what 0:30:45.160 --> 0:30:46.880 you want, you can't get no pussy, you can't be 0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:47.480 in the streets. 0:30:49.720 --> 0:30:52.160 I'm gonna tell you, I did my one day in jail. 0:30:52.720 --> 0:30:55.840 I gotta rep my jail time. Okay, I did my 0:30:55.880 --> 0:30:59.280 one day in jail. I learned about daddy's and mommy's 0:30:59.400 --> 0:31:03.960 aka institution. Yeah, they call them daddy's and mom or 0:31:04.040 --> 0:31:07.360 daddy's or whatever. I don't I don't remember what prostitution 0:31:07.520 --> 0:31:10.440 languages I learned, but I learned a lot about what language. 0:31:10.120 --> 0:31:13.480 Do you use? Okay, my bad? 0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:14.680 All right? 0:31:14.760 --> 0:31:16.120 Let me make your look. Let me make Can you 0:31:16.120 --> 0:31:18.720 hand me a fork please? And I can make here. 0:31:18.800 --> 0:31:20.840 This is your plate. You just gonna have to switch. 0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:24.320 Don't try to hey man, don't do that. Don't do that. 0:31:24.440 --> 0:31:26.160 I know you go throw it away. She's not gonna 0:31:26.160 --> 0:31:26.960 eat this on camera. 0:31:27.160 --> 0:31:30.240 I eat okay, because eighty five souths. I missed all 0:31:30.280 --> 0:31:31.960 the good meals and then I live on. 0:31:32.040 --> 0:31:34.000 You don't want salmonella poison, as she. 0:31:34.040 --> 0:31:38.400 Said, that's right. Here, make your plate. I want to 0:31:38.400 --> 0:31:41.239 make you got to make two plates. I want us 0:31:41.240 --> 0:31:42.959 to both die together. 0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:47.719 That's what we're gonna do. What was that, Juliet? Who 0:31:47.760 --> 0:31:47.960 did it? 0:31:48.080 --> 0:31:48.440 I don't know? 0:31:48.480 --> 0:31:51.280 Okay, okay, I told you. I read a little bit. 0:31:51.560 --> 0:31:53.840 So what happens after you get out of jail, Like, 0:31:53.920 --> 0:31:54.880 what's your first play? 0:31:55.320 --> 0:31:59.280 I went to a halfway house for two months and 0:31:59.320 --> 0:32:01.240 then that's required. 0:32:02.440 --> 0:32:04.840 It depends on or were you just like homeless at 0:32:04.880 --> 0:32:05.280 that point? 0:32:05.720 --> 0:32:09.800 No, well I had something, No, hey, I went to 0:32:10.000 --> 0:32:12.480 my parents. My dad had passed, so my mom was 0:32:12.480 --> 0:32:18.240 in the house by herself. So I went there. And 0:32:18.400 --> 0:32:22.760 one good thing going back to relationships is when you 0:32:22.760 --> 0:32:24.920 have great relationships, people. 0:32:24.680 --> 0:32:29.520 Start calling you. So I started getting calls to. 0:32:29.560 --> 0:32:35.720 Start back in promotion in the music business. Yeah, oh nice, Yeah, okay. 0:32:35.520 --> 0:32:41.479 Yeah, So so I got right back in the mix. Okay, 0:32:41.880 --> 0:32:44.680 even though a lot of those same people treated me 0:32:44.720 --> 0:32:46.800 like I had the Zeca. 0:32:46.600 --> 0:32:48.600 Virus, COVID twenty eight all that shit. 0:32:48.640 --> 0:32:51.000 When I was going through my federal stuff, which I 0:32:51.000 --> 0:32:52.640 mean looking back at it. I mean, you know, people 0:32:52.640 --> 0:32:56.000 when they hear oh, I'm sorry, your majesty, thank you, 0:32:57.760 --> 0:32:58.920 if you're your majesty. 0:32:59.120 --> 0:33:02.720 See if we live through this, oh you just got 0:33:02.720 --> 0:33:03.760 you ain't pro No, no. 0:33:04.880 --> 0:33:10.520 We definitely need to pray there you please Jesus put 0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:12.440 your hands to keep us from dying. 0:33:12.600 --> 0:33:14.520 Okay, the streets is cook this. 0:33:15.960 --> 0:33:20.760 One utensil touching the back there and meat. 0:33:20.840 --> 0:33:22.880 Yes, please look at this. 0:33:23.320 --> 0:33:26.040 Make Joe take a bite at the end of this. 0:33:26.800 --> 0:33:28.880 Look man, look at this, Look at it, Look at that. 0:33:28.920 --> 0:33:30.959 Look at that ground turkey high. But let me tell 0:33:30.960 --> 0:33:33.000 you I ain't never cutting on spaghetti like this all 0:33:33.040 --> 0:33:34.560 because I'm. 0:33:34.400 --> 0:33:35.440 Here with you. 0:33:35.640 --> 0:33:36.360 All right, here we go. 0:33:36.920 --> 0:33:41.600 M m mm hmmm. It's the best baghadia I've never 0:33:41.600 --> 0:33:42.479 had my wife. 0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:45.160 Hm hmm. 0:33:48.560 --> 0:33:51.360 Okay, hell good that ship good man. 0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:55.560 You know there's only been seasoned with garlic powder. 0:33:59.480 --> 0:34:01.160 Soe you like on comics. I was going to tell 0:34:01.200 --> 0:34:02.520 you to stop that bitch and get your ass in 0:34:02.520 --> 0:34:03.000 the kitchen. 0:34:05.680 --> 0:34:08.080 But it's okay, it's okay. 0:34:07.880 --> 0:34:09.560 Not that bitch, and get your ass in the kitchen. 0:34:11.000 --> 0:34:13.359 If you're this this me good though. 0:34:13.360 --> 0:34:17.560 At waita paa. 0:34:17.719 --> 0:34:27.040 Spaghetti is good. Pause this this ground turkey. 0:34:27.080 --> 0:34:32.040 I'm sorry boy, this is you from the streets, because 0:34:32.200 --> 0:34:33.360 I'm not gonna sit here. 0:34:33.920 --> 0:34:36.400 With you and say the meat is you like some 0:34:36.480 --> 0:34:38.080 met me? 0:34:38.120 --> 0:34:38.440 Stop. 0:34:38.719 --> 0:34:40.239 Okay, I'm gonna take one more bite of. 0:34:41.480 --> 0:34:45.279 Death bes spaghetti I've had in my life. All right, 0:34:45.320 --> 0:34:47.400 let me put my shades back on, put these days 0:34:47.480 --> 0:34:51.680 back on. Okay, okay, make sure the oven is off. 0:34:52.880 --> 0:34:55.279 I'm eating this and I just want to say what 0:34:55.360 --> 0:34:57.440 it's decent, but I am starving. 0:34:57.120 --> 0:35:01.120 So wow, Okay, okay. 0:35:00.800 --> 0:35:06.480 All right, okay, you get out of prison, not jail, 0:35:07.640 --> 0:35:10.840 but it's prison camp. So it's like the baby prison. 0:35:11.760 --> 0:35:12.840 So you're serving nine months. 0:35:12.920 --> 0:35:14.800 I ain't seen nobody get cut up or rape. 0:35:16.400 --> 0:35:22.880 You could drop the soap freely, yes, I could. 0:35:23.560 --> 0:35:26.239 Did they have like solo? Yeah? 0:35:26.239 --> 0:35:27.440 We had individuals? 0:35:27.520 --> 0:35:29.400 Man, it was like a star or was it? 0:35:29.480 --> 0:35:29.560 Like? 0:35:30.640 --> 0:35:31.879 I like those prison. 0:35:31.600 --> 0:35:35.480 Movies, like the what kind of weirdo Ships? 0:35:35.520 --> 0:35:36.040 You were too? 0:35:37.200 --> 0:35:40.920 I'm all into that ship Like I like all that stuff. 0:35:40.920 --> 0:35:42.759 I know, movies like the Addiction show. 0:35:43.200 --> 0:35:45.200 You said the dick in a booty movie. I was like, 0:35:46.560 --> 0:35:49.160 that's what you said, addiction. Okay, it sounded like you 0:35:49.200 --> 0:35:51.320 said not a dick in a booty. That's what it 0:35:51.400 --> 0:35:54.080 sounds like. You said, no, no, I'm. 0:35:53.960 --> 0:35:56.799 Not into those type of movies. Okay, okay, but you 0:35:56.800 --> 0:35:58.720 could safely drop the soap. 0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:01.359 It was, it was, it was it for it to 0:36:01.400 --> 0:36:05.080 be prison. It wasn't a horrible experience. I'll say that 0:36:05.840 --> 0:36:07.600 to the point that when my kids came down and 0:36:07.640 --> 0:36:09.640 saw me, they was like, Dad, it's. 0:36:09.440 --> 0:36:11.280 A golf course right there. We saw horses. 0:36:11.360 --> 0:36:12.800 I was like, yeah, there were horses. 0:36:13.120 --> 0:36:15.399 I mean because on where I was, they have they 0:36:15.440 --> 0:36:19.000 trained some of the inmates to careful. 0:36:18.600 --> 0:36:19.600 Horse That's nice. 0:36:19.680 --> 0:36:22.399 Yeah, yeah, but. 0:36:22.360 --> 0:36:24.040 It was still prison. Let's not get it twisted. 0:36:24.960 --> 0:36:28.120 So I went to prison for three thousand, five hundred dollars. 0:36:28.719 --> 0:36:32.280 Boy, somebody here singing, y'all, Jush. 0:36:32.800 --> 0:36:34.080 I was trying to find out where it was. 0:36:35.280 --> 0:36:36.200 I don't know they's singing. 0:36:36.280 --> 0:36:37.160 Where is it coming from? 0:36:39.520 --> 0:36:42.279 The singing? Damn? This spaghetti good? 0:36:43.080 --> 0:36:45.920 Okay. So after you get out of prison, then what happens? 0:36:46.440 --> 0:36:51.480 They came back home to Atlanta. Due to strong relationships, 0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:54.640 people started calling me, placing me, Hey, let's do this, 0:36:54.719 --> 0:36:57.440 let's do that, let's do this, And I jumped right 0:36:57.440 --> 0:36:59.719 back in the mix. So Colleen, that was a great thing. 0:37:00.040 --> 0:37:02.399 Goes back again to relationships. 0:37:03.000 --> 0:37:05.240 That's it. You're finding heads. 0:37:06.080 --> 0:37:08.560 Who knows, I might have been out here selling, selling, 0:37:08.800 --> 0:37:13.480 selling my sausage or something to some women selling selling sausage. 0:37:13.480 --> 0:37:18.120 To look when you when you're in the jungle, you 0:37:18.120 --> 0:37:19.440 gotta do what you gotta do to survive. 0:37:19.880 --> 0:37:22.800 From a marketing perspective, we're in a new age with 0:37:23.640 --> 0:37:27.680 social media and the way the industry is just flipped 0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:30.279 so many times over on its head. 0:37:30.600 --> 0:37:33.640 Do you find do you think it will be harder 0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:36.160 for people now that they're getting into music game? 0:37:37.160 --> 0:37:38.560 Good question, it's. 0:37:40.840 --> 0:37:45.279 I think it's it's it's harder and easier because you have, 0:37:45.600 --> 0:37:48.120 from a technology standpoint, you have so many ways of 0:37:48.160 --> 0:37:51.799 getting your music out to the masses. But then it 0:37:51.840 --> 0:37:59.200 has taken away from like the really touch gorilla marketing 0:37:59.200 --> 0:38:06.319 and cans kiss babies and just personable. It's gotten away 0:38:06.320 --> 0:38:08.719 from that because people just they feel like with you know, 0:38:09.320 --> 0:38:12.200 with media, I mean, with technology has to say you 0:38:12.239 --> 0:38:13.000 can get which is. 0:38:13.000 --> 0:38:13.560 A great thing. 0:38:13.640 --> 0:38:15.719 I love it because a lot of people that I 0:38:15.920 --> 0:38:18.399 that that have blown up when it never got found. 0:38:18.440 --> 0:38:20.120 If it was just for the traditional way of how 0:38:20.160 --> 0:38:21.680 I came up in a business where you. 0:38:21.600 --> 0:38:24.279 Got to wait on somebody to sign you and. 0:38:23.840 --> 0:38:26.239 You know, get on the ridd of now ship you can. 0:38:26.280 --> 0:38:29.600 You can, you can create your own story. So and 0:38:29.640 --> 0:38:33.040 that's a good thing. So whether or not it's easy, 0:38:33.080 --> 0:38:35.200 I would say technically just to say, I would say, 0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:36.080 yes it is. 0:38:36.600 --> 0:38:37.880 It's definitely easy to get. 0:38:37.719 --> 0:38:39.799 Your music out because I can go, we can, we 0:38:39.840 --> 0:38:41.719 can any of the DSPs me and you could do 0:38:41.719 --> 0:38:43.640 a song and then we can put it up. Now 0:38:43.640 --> 0:38:45.440 as far as getting out to the masses is different, 0:38:45.440 --> 0:38:47.680 but we could steal you know, we can, or we 0:38:47.719 --> 0:38:49.480 could do a TikTok video with our recon and it 0:38:49.520 --> 0:38:50.880 should go viral next thing, you know. 0:38:51.080 --> 0:38:51.640 Boah. 0:38:52.000 --> 0:38:54.040 So it's definitely now that I'm thinking about it is 0:38:54.360 --> 0:38:57.480 it's easier now because in those days, let's just say nineties, 0:38:57.760 --> 0:38:59.479 early two thousand, it was a different game. 0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:02.040 Did you do a lot of pay to play when 0:39:02.080 --> 0:39:02.760 it came to radio. 0:39:02.960 --> 0:39:03.600 That's illegal. 0:39:03.640 --> 0:39:09.000 So I've never done that. I've never done that in 0:39:09.000 --> 0:39:10.840 my life. I'm looking at the camp I've never paid 0:39:10.880 --> 0:39:12.959 anybody for any record play or nothing. 0:39:13.000 --> 0:39:14.560 I mean, I was in the industry. I saw a 0:39:14.560 --> 0:39:14.960 lot of that. 0:39:15.640 --> 0:39:15.960 You saw. 0:39:16.280 --> 0:39:17.520 I know that you never did it. 0:39:17.520 --> 0:39:19.640 Nobody I know, I've never done it. Nobody I know's 0:39:19.840 --> 0:39:23.239 ever paid anybody to play record really, Okay, ever, no 0:39:23.320 --> 0:39:24.040 people that I know. 0:39:24.280 --> 0:39:27.359 Okay, but your stuff was all relationship. 0:39:26.840 --> 0:39:29.880 Anyway, So you got if you got great relationships, you 0:39:29.920 --> 0:39:33.680 can make a lot of things happen. I've never paid 0:39:33.680 --> 0:39:36.520 nobody to play a record in my life. 0:39:37.680 --> 0:39:39.719 So who are you working with currently right now? 0:39:41.160 --> 0:39:43.200 Well, I'm concentrating on my podcast, but I have an 0:39:43.239 --> 0:39:45.000 artist that I'm working with and I'm excited about. 0:39:45.000 --> 0:39:46.719 Actually from your from the West. 0:39:46.440 --> 0:39:49.080 Coast, I'm from New York originations, So you know you 0:39:49.200 --> 0:39:51.360 don't ever, don't ever claim West Coast on me. 0:39:51.640 --> 0:39:52.960 You know I lived there way too long. 0:39:53.000 --> 0:39:54.520 All right, how long you've been living on the West Coast? 0:39:54.600 --> 0:39:58.319 That's exactly why the coast jerry about you. 0:39:58.880 --> 0:39:59.560 But I'm just asking. 0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:00.799 I pleaded the fifth. 0:40:01.080 --> 0:40:02.439 Okay, what part of New York you're from? 0:40:03.600 --> 0:40:07.800 Even though live from Bedford stuyve the something the livest one. 0:40:08.080 --> 0:40:10.759 So tell me who are you currently working with? 0:40:11.000 --> 0:40:13.359 I have an artist and I'm really excited about. First 0:40:13.400 --> 0:40:15.239 I managed a producer. His name is July. 0:40:15.960 --> 0:40:16.200 Uh. 0:40:16.280 --> 0:40:18.120 He just wants being my producer. Uh. 0:40:18.560 --> 0:40:21.920 Had one of the he did the Billie Ellis record 0:40:22.000 --> 0:40:26.880 for Armani White. Okay, so he got an award for 0:40:26.960 --> 0:40:29.160 being my from being my last year. Then I have 0:40:29.200 --> 0:40:32.440 an artist named Juliari from l A. Actually he's got 0:40:32.480 --> 0:40:34.160 a song with a little baby. We're shooting the video 0:40:35.080 --> 0:40:36.560 like in the next few days. 0:40:37.280 --> 0:40:38.640 So so you're gonna be in my necker. 0:40:38.880 --> 0:40:40.680 Was you shooting video here? In a line? 0:40:40.800 --> 0:40:41.160 Okay? 0:40:41.440 --> 0:40:43.040 Yeah, okay, yeah, so if. 0:40:42.920 --> 0:40:46.440 You want to come, you know, throwing your little no tennis, 0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:47.719 throwing your little tennis. 0:40:47.480 --> 0:40:53.719 Curt come out start Nope, rub the ground. I know 0:40:53.800 --> 0:40:56.560 that was old that was old school. But yeah, so 0:40:56.600 --> 0:40:57.160 I'm excited. 0:40:57.200 --> 0:40:57.359 Then. 0:40:57.400 --> 0:40:59.800 Of course, the one thing that I'm most. 0:40:59.640 --> 0:41:01.480 Excited about this the podcast. 0:41:01.560 --> 0:41:03.400 Yeah, storytime of legendary podcast. 0:41:03.520 --> 0:41:06.120 So what can people expect when they hear your podcast. 0:41:06.560 --> 0:41:07.480 The South Narrative. 0:41:08.000 --> 0:41:11.040 I needed to tell our give our narrative, and tell 0:41:11.120 --> 0:41:14.640 our narrative, and tell my story because there's so many 0:41:14.719 --> 0:41:18.160 stories that have been told him and not only myself, 0:41:18.200 --> 0:41:19.279 but we have been left out. 0:41:20.520 --> 0:41:22.920 And we just celebrated fifty years of hip hop. 0:41:24.480 --> 0:41:28.239 And half those years arguably because me and t I 0:41:28.440 --> 0:41:31.440 just had this argument on the episode on Storytime Leedgsday year. 0:41:32.000 --> 0:41:34.680 The South has controlled the narrative. 0:41:35.200 --> 0:41:37.839 What do you mean by that? The narrative run this ship, man, 0:41:38.080 --> 0:41:39.440 Oh we run this South. 0:41:39.600 --> 0:41:43.240 Yeah, between Houston, Memphis, Miami. 0:41:42.920 --> 0:41:47.040 New Orleans for twenty five years and lined up at 0:41:47.040 --> 0:41:48.480 lined by itself damn near ran. 0:42:00.600 --> 0:42:04.080 So we have for half of these fifty years of this. 0:42:04.120 --> 0:42:06.760 Hip hop Why is the only half? 0:42:07.320 --> 0:42:11.040 Know what I'm saying is we've we've can we We've 0:42:11.080 --> 0:42:13.080 definitely controlled the narrative for twenty five. 0:42:12.880 --> 0:42:15.120 Of these years, for half of these It just is 0:42:15.160 --> 0:42:15.560 what it is. 0:42:15.600 --> 0:42:17.279 You can hate it whatever I know. You know New 0:42:17.320 --> 0:42:19.560 Yak cast Nigga, y'all go nah nah we. 0:42:19.480 --> 0:42:21.920 But yeah, like when you said control the narrative for 0:42:22.000 --> 0:42:23.160 hip hop rap. 0:42:23.239 --> 0:42:27.279 For the last twenty five years, Colleen, the South has 0:42:28.719 --> 0:42:30.719 hold on. Yeah, No, jay Z fifty, I love all 0:42:30.719 --> 0:42:33.759 of those. Got DMX come on, But you look at 0:42:33.760 --> 0:42:36.800 it between I mean you you look at from cash 0:42:36.840 --> 0:42:40.360 Money that no limit to everything coming out of Memphis, 0:42:40.400 --> 0:42:42.160 and I can go on, I can have a whole 0:42:42.200 --> 0:42:44.960 show just talking about Atlanta. Okay, Well we done from 0:42:44.960 --> 0:42:49.239 our cast on Okay, so Chris crossing our cast from 0:42:49.320 --> 0:42:50.680 nineties and TLC to USh. 0:42:50.760 --> 0:42:53.320 We can we can go on, we can have a whole. 0:42:53.800 --> 0:42:56.200 From where here. TLC's from here. 0:42:56.360 --> 0:42:58.400 Come on, that's a freaking. 0:42:58.000 --> 0:43:01.360 Out no way. I don't know why I didn't know that, 0:43:02.400 --> 0:43:07.160 all right, okay, okay, you know that I know they 0:43:07.200 --> 0:43:07.680 live here now. 0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:09.959 I just nil lately with. 0:43:11.160 --> 0:43:13.040 So sad is that I would have thought tl C 0:43:13.239 --> 0:43:13.880 was from like. 0:43:15.640 --> 0:43:17.479 Where you being man for you not to know tl 0:43:17.520 --> 0:43:18.080 C is from. 0:43:18.120 --> 0:43:20.200 I don't know, huge t C fan. I don't know 0:43:20.200 --> 0:43:20.880 why I missed. 0:43:20.719 --> 0:43:23.320 It, but I was very young from. 0:43:24.760 --> 0:43:28.560 My gosh, all right, you are, I claim a little 0:43:28.560 --> 0:43:29.400 bit of upstate. 0:43:29.120 --> 0:43:31.239 To Yeah, you better because you're not from Brooklyn to 0:43:31.400 --> 0:43:32.239 but you didn't know t C. 0:43:33.000 --> 0:43:33.399 You know what. 0:43:33.520 --> 0:43:36.080 I just remember I was a huge t l C fan. 0:43:37.760 --> 0:43:41.080 Let me take passed and then I checked out that 0:43:41.080 --> 0:43:43.960 that's okay, ship, I'm getting you were. 0:43:44.080 --> 0:43:46.279 If you were a huge t l C fan, you 0:43:46.320 --> 0:43:48.840 would know that they were from the a I was. 0:43:48.880 --> 0:43:51.360 But tl C when tl C was around, I was 0:43:51.440 --> 0:43:53.120 really young. I will say that. 0:43:53.200 --> 0:43:58.319 Okay, I didn't start liking hip hop to, so my 0:43:58.440 --> 0:44:00.560 first real love for hip. 0:44:00.200 --> 0:44:03.600 Didn't start till J until J and I didn't get 0:44:03.600 --> 0:44:05.919 onto J. I didn't get onto j till. 0:44:06.080 --> 0:44:09.680 Yes, he had been out damn that came by that time. 0:44:09.840 --> 0:44:11.960 After Lisa passed, it was a rap I was done with. 0:44:13.880 --> 0:44:16.080 She passed in two thousand five. 0:44:17.200 --> 0:44:17.640 I forgot. 0:44:17.719 --> 0:44:19.239 No, she didn't pass in two thousand and five and 0:44:19.280 --> 0:44:20.800 four she passed when I was in high school. 0:44:21.200 --> 0:44:24.440 It was like two thousand and one, two thousand. I 0:44:24.480 --> 0:44:26.680 know because I remember everybody calling me like, are you. 0:44:27.320 --> 0:44:29.040 Speaking of TLC? Perfect? 0:44:29.280 --> 0:44:32.879 Perfect segu I have t BOS and TLC coming up 0:44:33.360 --> 0:44:35.400 on one of the next episodes, the story. 0:44:35.920 --> 0:44:37.480 I try to get her while I was out here. 0:44:37.760 --> 0:44:39.239 Look at you. You got all the plugs I need 0:44:39.239 --> 0:44:40.839 to live in your roller decks. 0:44:40.880 --> 0:44:42.279 I mean, well, you come up and get on the 0:44:42.280 --> 0:44:47.400 streets with me, maybe store together. You had to do 0:44:47.400 --> 0:44:51.239 a little bit more than okay, bad, the streets is 0:44:51.280 --> 0:44:52.319 watching my bad. 0:44:52.400 --> 0:44:53.879 I had to man an. 0:44:53.840 --> 0:44:56.680 Agreience that he's for the streets were all right, we're 0:44:56.680 --> 0:44:57.200 an agence. 0:44:57.719 --> 0:45:00.360 No I'm not. I'm I'm a straight school. We're just 0:45:00.360 --> 0:45:01.640 out here trying to leave my basics. 0:45:02.040 --> 0:45:05.640 That's what every street it is. 0:45:07.880 --> 0:45:09.280 My kids are grown. 0:45:10.239 --> 0:45:12.439 So what are some good stories that you've seen behind 0:45:12.480 --> 0:45:15.759 the scenes that I can have a good chuckle at Well. 0:45:16.080 --> 0:45:17.719 You're gonna have to tune in and watch. 0:45:17.880 --> 0:45:20.759 Unlike you saying you were a TLC fan and not 0:45:20.800 --> 0:45:23.400 knowing every from Atlanta, You're gonna have to watch or 0:45:23.480 --> 0:45:26.640 listen because I'm never confessed. 0:45:25.480 --> 0:45:30.000 I don't perpetrate. Don't perpetrate. 0:45:30.640 --> 0:45:32.759 See you old enough to say that word, because young 0:45:32.760 --> 0:45:33.839 folks wouldn't even say that. 0:45:33.920 --> 0:45:35.680 So they tell you you're in the demo. 0:45:36.120 --> 0:45:36.960 My dema. 0:45:37.480 --> 0:45:40.160 But you gotta tune in. Here's so many stories, just 0:45:40.200 --> 0:45:42.040 like recently when Pastor Troy. 0:45:41.960 --> 0:45:44.319 Was on, he said he did the ad libs for 0:45:44.880 --> 0:45:46.359 Justin Timberlake's Cry Me a River. 0:45:47.040 --> 0:45:48.399 This fucked me up. I didn't know. 0:45:49.000 --> 0:45:50.560 Yeah, I didn't know that was good. I didn't know 0:45:51.400 --> 0:45:54.000 that that was confessed on your show. Huh yeah, So 0:45:54.000 --> 0:45:55.120 we gotta listen to your show. 0:45:55.400 --> 0:45:57.520 But even like I had Princess from Crime I know 0:45:57.600 --> 0:45:59.960 you Crime Mob, not to I know you was dancing 0:46:00.120 --> 0:46:00.399 that in. 0:46:00.400 --> 0:46:03.120 High school, thank god. 0:46:07.200 --> 0:46:11.040 So I just had Princess from Crime Mob on storyte 0:46:11.040 --> 0:46:11.880 with Legendary Jerry. 0:46:11.920 --> 0:46:15.120 She said the reason that they broke up was two 0:46:15.160 --> 0:46:16.000 females in the group. 0:46:16.200 --> 0:46:18.880 Maybe you didn't know for those listening watching her and 0:46:18.960 --> 0:46:22.200 Diamond the reason that the group broke up because she 0:46:22.360 --> 0:46:27.640 told Diamond that Michael Jackson was getting on a remix 0:46:27.719 --> 0:46:29.600 of Knuck of You Buck and. 0:46:29.680 --> 0:46:31.880 Was at their house at the studio where they were. 0:46:31.760 --> 0:46:35.080 Over here in Atlanta, and she came there and they 0:46:35.080 --> 0:46:39.440 told her she was joking. They told Diamond that they 0:46:39.480 --> 0:46:41.759 were joking. They said that Michael Jackson was getting on. 0:46:42.040 --> 0:46:43.520 He was there at the house and he was getting 0:46:43.520 --> 0:46:46.560 on a remix of Knuck of You Buck. And they 0:46:46.560 --> 0:46:50.279 fell out and the group of platinum selling group broke 0:46:50.360 --> 0:46:50.799 up over that. 0:46:51.200 --> 0:46:52.080 Are you serious? 0:46:54.000 --> 0:46:57.120 According to Princess from Crime Mob, she said that was 0:46:57.160 --> 0:47:01.719 the reason that they broke up, and I'm not gonna 0:47:01.760 --> 0:47:03.760 dispute it because I want there because I know Princess 0:47:03.800 --> 0:47:07.400 is a stand up person, won't lie. So a platinum 0:47:07.400 --> 0:47:10.799 selling group broke up because they said Michael Jackson over 0:47:10.800 --> 0:47:14.400 here doing it and they said, Bubbles the monkey is 0:47:14.440 --> 0:47:16.920 over here on the ad libs and they say, she 0:47:17.040 --> 0:47:19.280 ran down the street and got there and Michael Jackson 0:47:19.320 --> 0:47:23.360 and Bubbles wasn't there, and the group broke up to 0:47:23.520 --> 0:47:26.000 them the type stories you're gonna get story time with 0:47:26.080 --> 0:47:26.880 legendary Jerry. 0:47:27.080 --> 0:47:28.719 What made you get into podcasting. 0:47:31.280 --> 0:47:33.359 I was getting ready to go to federal prison, and 0:47:33.400 --> 0:47:35.400 I was just thinking of ways to reinvent myself. 0:47:35.440 --> 0:47:40.360 When I came home and DJ Drama. 0:47:41.480 --> 0:47:43.200 I was at his studio my night with him and 0:47:43.239 --> 0:47:47.279 Canon since and I was gearinganted might have been a 0:47:47.280 --> 0:47:49.200 week before I was turning myself in a couple of weeks. Father, 0:47:49.160 --> 0:47:51.400 I was turning myself into federal prison. He said, you 0:47:51.440 --> 0:47:55.640 should do a podcast, and I really didn't know. I knew, 0:47:55.640 --> 0:47:58.360 but I didn't know. Of course, with the way combat 0:47:58.480 --> 0:48:01.359 Jack has paved the way for podcasts and especially with 0:48:01.400 --> 0:48:04.120 people that look like us, I had knew about it 0:48:04.120 --> 0:48:04.600 because I had. 0:48:04.600 --> 0:48:07.319 Listened to some of his stuff, but I really didn't know. 0:48:07.520 --> 0:48:11.319 So when I came home twenty seventeen, I said, heh 0:48:11.440 --> 0:48:13.439 let me get a couple of mics and a couple 0:48:13.440 --> 0:48:16.200 of cameras and my ship was so bootleged. 0:48:15.760 --> 0:48:19.239 Looking, lighting was bad, the sound was fucking my shit. 0:48:19.600 --> 0:48:22.160 But I had like huge guests, so people was like, 0:48:22.160 --> 0:48:23.880 how fuck is he getting all these folks on his 0:48:23.960 --> 0:48:27.839 show and his shit like you know when you first started. 0:48:28.239 --> 0:48:31.799 But now look I have a new deal. I'm here 0:48:31.840 --> 0:48:32.200 on your. 0:48:32.120 --> 0:48:33.680 Show, and I heart reached out to you on this 0:48:33.719 --> 0:48:35.799 new deal this time, right, Yes, So it was a 0:48:35.880 --> 0:48:37.200 random Tuesday, you get the call. 0:48:37.960 --> 0:48:42.640 Well, I had already developed a relationship with somebody over there, 0:48:42.640 --> 0:48:45.120 and we just had been linking up and talking until 0:48:45.120 --> 0:48:48.200 finally he said, I want to I want you if 0:48:48.239 --> 0:48:52.160 I can monetize this for you, will you be interested 0:48:52.160 --> 0:48:55.879 in doing the deal? And something about that word monetization 0:48:55.960 --> 0:48:59.400 that does something to me. Oh shit, it's like some 0:48:59.440 --> 0:49:01.400 pussy monetization. 0:49:01.480 --> 0:49:02.280 I love that word. 0:49:02.400 --> 0:49:04.919 I want us to be able to do a whole 0:49:04.960 --> 0:49:07.319 clip of just you, and we're just gonna just do 0:49:07.640 --> 0:49:09.239 it all about the streets on you but. 0:49:09.239 --> 0:49:11.400 Going, damn you do an episode of the screen. 0:49:11.560 --> 0:49:13.560 No, it's it's literally we got to figure out a 0:49:13.560 --> 0:49:15.480 way to do a clip where it's just dedicated to 0:49:15.520 --> 0:49:20.520 you and women. Now, okay, so the monetization, yeah, does 0:49:20.560 --> 0:49:21.000 something to you? 0:49:21.040 --> 0:49:23.560 Okay, yeah it does? Oh boy, Oh it swelled me up. 0:49:23.600 --> 0:49:29.040 But anyway, anyway, anyway, anyway, so but but look listen. 0:49:29.160 --> 0:49:33.760 So that's when I said, all right, because I'm sorry. 0:49:33.480 --> 0:49:35.359 I had stopped taking my show. And like I said, 0:49:35.360 --> 0:49:38.479 I've had some huge guests from Uncle Luke to kill 0:49:38.480 --> 0:49:41.600 a mic Uh, to the Dream to a gangst the booth. 0:49:41.800 --> 0:49:45.160 I've had huge, huge guests on my show. 0:49:45.120 --> 0:49:49.560 Bumb and you're you're booking them all yourself, right because 0:49:49.560 --> 0:49:53.200 you're just calling text okay. And they didn't mind, the 0:49:53.280 --> 0:49:56.520 homies didn't mind if the platform wasn't set up correctly 0:49:56.560 --> 0:49:57.759 the first time around at all. 0:49:58.080 --> 0:49:59.880 They were just support yeah okay. 0:50:00.440 --> 0:50:04.160 And so I was able to now transition into this 0:50:04.200 --> 0:50:04.880 new deal. 0:50:06.960 --> 0:50:10.799 And now here we are and I'm excited about the relaunch. 0:50:11.200 --> 0:50:12.360 Yeh, when does the launch? 0:50:12.880 --> 0:50:16.520 We launched this is the four it's been launched. 0:50:16.200 --> 0:50:19.160 For three weeks now, had Pastor Troy, had the Young 0:50:19.200 --> 0:50:23.080 Bloods t I just dropped, and then I got t 0:50:23.200 --> 0:50:24.319 Boss from TLC coming. 0:50:24.360 --> 0:50:26.600 I got a lot of freaking exciting Do you pre 0:50:26.680 --> 0:50:27.279 tape a lot? 0:50:27.520 --> 0:50:30.080 Yes, That's what I do because, as you know, not 0:50:30.160 --> 0:50:34.120 being funny, dealing with talent, dealing with yeah, we're dealing 0:50:34.160 --> 0:50:35.360 with talent can be a little. 0:50:35.200 --> 0:50:36.120 Tricky at times. 0:50:36.440 --> 0:50:39.000 Yeah, you know, especially I find it when you're dealing 0:50:39.000 --> 0:50:40.640 with them on the text and the relationship. 0:50:40.719 --> 0:50:41.359 They tend to. 0:50:42.800 --> 0:50:46.879 Show up late, canceled last minute, Yeah, thirty minutes. I'm 0:50:46.880 --> 0:50:48.319 on the way, and then I'm not gonna be there. 0:50:48.320 --> 0:50:50.800 Can we do it tomorrow. So those type of things happen. 0:50:50.960 --> 0:50:53.920 So it has caused me a lot of anxiety over 0:50:53.960 --> 0:50:55.719 the years. But the fact is I still have these 0:50:55.719 --> 0:50:57.800 relationships and I know that they're willing to do this 0:50:57.880 --> 0:51:00.520 show for me, and that makes me continue you to go. 0:51:01.360 --> 0:51:03.360 So that's why I'm so excited about this show. 0:51:03.160 --> 0:51:05.480 And I want to grow it. And you know, I'm 0:51:05.480 --> 0:51:07.000 glad that I'm able to be on this show. Because 0:51:07.000 --> 0:51:09.640 I walked and I said this off camera, maybe I didn't. 0:51:09.920 --> 0:51:14.160 I watched some clips of you on Instagram, and you 0:51:14.239 --> 0:51:16.200 got a gift. Like I know, we've been talking a 0:51:16.200 --> 0:51:18.040 lot of shit, you got a real life gift. So 0:51:18.520 --> 0:51:20.239 I was like, when I was watching, I went through 0:51:20.239 --> 0:51:23.160 and watched a bunch of clips. I was like, Okay, 0:51:23.239 --> 0:51:26.040 she good, So I gotta step my ship up straight up. 0:51:26.320 --> 0:51:27.200 Oh thank you. 0:51:27.280 --> 0:51:28.120 That's a lot. 0:51:28.200 --> 0:51:30.520 I always in my head, So thank you. That means 0:51:30.560 --> 0:51:31.080 a lot to me. 0:51:31.360 --> 0:51:31.839 That was all. 0:51:34.120 --> 0:51:36.040 That was the streets. He's like, yo, I got the 0:51:36.120 --> 0:51:37.360 closest deal before. 0:51:38.400 --> 0:51:41.440 No, but look at him now, he's looking to the 0:51:41.480 --> 0:51:43.960 ceiling for the Lord when I say the Lord every 0:51:44.000 --> 0:51:44.720 time we talk. 0:51:44.640 --> 0:51:48.640 Then, but no, I did no, seriously, I said, you 0:51:48.719 --> 0:51:50.840 got a gift man, and I was like, no, seriously, 0:51:50.840 --> 0:51:53.439 because I when I first got into it, I was. 0:51:53.360 --> 0:51:56.160 Like over talking all the yeahs. I was like, I didn't. 0:51:56.480 --> 0:52:00.239 I was just home somebody I didn't know. I was 0:52:00.280 --> 0:52:00.680 just think. 0:52:01.080 --> 0:52:04.320 So my mentor was like, go and watch other people's shows. 0:52:04.320 --> 0:52:05.680 Go watch Larry King live. 0:52:05.920 --> 0:52:06.160 You know. 0:52:06.800 --> 0:52:09.759 He's like, go watch like Charlemagne and and just see 0:52:09.760 --> 0:52:12.040 how you know. So that's how when I watched. So 0:52:12.200 --> 0:52:13.400 that's when I went and went through. 0:52:13.440 --> 0:52:15.160 When I was scrolling, I watched a bunch of clips. 0:52:15.200 --> 0:52:19.080 I said, damn, she good. That said she's good. I 0:52:19.080 --> 0:52:20.920 don't know how long you've been doing it, but whatever, 0:52:21.960 --> 0:52:22.399 it's good. 0:52:22.880 --> 0:52:23.760 Yeah, I just started. 0:52:23.800 --> 0:52:27.359 But I love people's stories and people's journeys, and I 0:52:27.440 --> 0:52:31.839 really like the hero's journey, like where it's like you're 0:52:31.920 --> 0:52:34.680 rooting for the hero but they fall and then they 0:52:34.719 --> 0:52:37.000 find the strength to get back up and then they 0:52:37.000 --> 0:52:40.880 fall again. And I like your story a lot. Obviously 0:52:41.239 --> 0:52:43.640 there's moments that we didn't get to really touch on, I. 0:52:43.640 --> 0:52:45.799 Feel, but yeah, we covered a lot though. 0:52:45.840 --> 0:52:50.520 I mean because personally and professionally, I continue to grow. 0:52:50.920 --> 0:52:52.400 God continues to bless me. 0:52:54.400 --> 0:52:58.000 So you know, from Chicago, to first coming into the 0:52:58.080 --> 0:53:02.360 music business in the early nine these, to raising a family, 0:53:02.719 --> 0:53:05.200 to going to prison and bouncing back. 0:53:05.000 --> 0:53:08.360 From that, and what was the hardest thing that you 0:53:08.440 --> 0:53:13.040 went through personally and professionally, And it could be separate times. 0:53:13.200 --> 0:53:17.520 I mean, well, all that personally is all tied in 0:53:17.640 --> 0:53:20.479 back to you know, all that situation happening that once 0:53:20.600 --> 0:53:23.680 with you know what happened, the situation with my daughter 0:53:23.719 --> 0:53:26.080 in college and me going away to the FEDS, and 0:53:26.239 --> 0:53:29.200 you know, because it was I felt like I let 0:53:29.239 --> 0:53:32.200 my dad and my mom down, because I felt like 0:53:32.200 --> 0:53:34.560 I embarrassed the family, and I felt like I let 0:53:34.640 --> 0:53:35.600 my kids down. 0:53:36.560 --> 0:53:39.839 So that hit me like a ton of bricks. 0:53:39.800 --> 0:53:41.839 Because you got to understand, they were all in h well, 0:53:41.880 --> 0:53:43.960 my daughter was a freshman in college. My other two 0:53:44.000 --> 0:53:46.279 were in high school. So you gotta understand they going 0:53:46.320 --> 0:53:47.960 to they going to school. 0:53:48.080 --> 0:53:50.080 Teachers asked them, he tell your daddy on the news. 0:53:50.200 --> 0:53:50.960 You know, all that. 0:53:51.040 --> 0:53:53.800 Really activate that concern, but they really getting fucking nosy. 0:53:54.480 --> 0:53:56.799 Uh So I was I was embarrassed. I felt like 0:53:56.800 --> 0:53:59.160 I let my children down. I felt like I let 0:53:59.200 --> 0:54:02.160 my mom and daddy. I couldn't tell I told my 0:54:02.280 --> 0:54:03.520 dad on his deathbed. 0:54:04.000 --> 0:54:04.880 I know he heard me. 0:54:05.200 --> 0:54:09.000 I apologize, like profusely, like I just kept saying I'm 0:54:09.080 --> 0:54:11.759 sorry because I felt like I let him down and 0:54:11.800 --> 0:54:15.080 he did so fucking much for me to put me 0:54:15.120 --> 0:54:18.359 in a position to win in life. So for me 0:54:18.400 --> 0:54:19.759 to you know, even though the people are, oh, man, 0:54:19.760 --> 0:54:21.120 you went to do a short time in the field, 0:54:21.160 --> 0:54:22.080 that ain't shit, you know. 0:54:22.080 --> 0:54:24.960 But still did your ex wife at the time, did 0:54:25.000 --> 0:54:27.439 she were you guys on decent terms where she could 0:54:27.440 --> 0:54:29.040 give you some inspiration at all? 0:54:29.840 --> 0:54:33.200 Not at all? And nine years later we still not. 0:54:33.560 --> 0:54:34.479 But that's just fine. 0:54:34.640 --> 0:54:37.840 We have we have three beautiful kids, and I just 0:54:37.880 --> 0:54:40.840 want to have a great cordial relationship, cordial relationship with 0:54:40.840 --> 0:54:43.440 her because our kids are our young adults and I'm 0:54:43.480 --> 0:54:47.400 sure we're gonna be grandparents one day and have to 0:54:47.440 --> 0:54:49.640 go to weddings, and I just want to be cordial. 0:54:49.640 --> 0:54:51.600 But you know, I don't never speak about her because 0:54:51.600 --> 0:54:54.120 she's not here to defend anything. So it's you know, 0:54:54.440 --> 0:54:57.279 it would just be one side. But I'm great. I'm 0:54:57.320 --> 0:54:59.560 in a great space in life personally and. 0:54:59.560 --> 0:55:03.120 Profession And I was gonna say, is your professional hardest point? 0:55:03.160 --> 0:55:05.960 Is it the same? At that time too? The jail 0:55:06.520 --> 0:55:09.000 situation or was there another point? 0:55:09.800 --> 0:55:15.440 There were other points. There was another point earlier in 0:55:15.520 --> 0:55:18.680 my career when I had a situation where I was 0:55:18.960 --> 0:55:22.280 working independent, working as an independent contractor for a label, 0:55:23.239 --> 0:55:27.600 and I had signed a contract to get paid a monthly. 0:55:28.200 --> 0:55:29.879 I think it was ten or fifteen thousand a month. 0:55:29.920 --> 0:55:33.080 I forgot what it was and they got behind so 0:55:33.320 --> 0:55:37.400 much so many months on my payment that everything in 0:55:37.440 --> 0:55:41.200 my house I went into potential foreclosure. Eventually it was 0:55:41.239 --> 0:55:43.759 paid and I got it out. But like things like that, 0:55:43.760 --> 0:55:46.839 that was a challenging professionally win. And you know these 0:55:46.840 --> 0:55:49.960 are these are labels to have never ended money. I 0:55:50.000 --> 0:55:51.880 mean they got so it just put me, you know, 0:55:51.920 --> 0:55:54.920 I look at things like that, situations that put me 0:55:55.080 --> 0:55:59.799 in a hard position, like cornered me where I was like, 0:56:00.120 --> 0:56:02.680 I'm like, come on, I'm doing the work, y'all four 0:56:02.719 --> 0:56:05.160 or five months back on paying me, Like I just 0:56:05.160 --> 0:56:06.160 think that's bullshit. 0:56:06.719 --> 0:56:09.040 Did you see the I'm sure you saw the n 0:56:09.160 --> 0:56:11.200 W A movie where ice Cube went in there. 0:56:11.680 --> 0:56:14.920 So as an entrepreneur, this is yes. 0:56:15.000 --> 0:56:17.760 And when I say this as an entrepreneur, I stress 0:56:17.800 --> 0:56:21.040 this to every entrepreneur. You cannot predict when someone holds 0:56:21.040 --> 0:56:25.160 your money, and that ship is painful because I'm like, imagine, 0:56:25.160 --> 0:56:27.520 if someone owes you three months worth of money, you 0:56:27.560 --> 0:56:30.440 can't necessarily call them up and be like, motherfucker. 0:56:29.960 --> 0:56:31.000 You owe me this money. 0:56:31.000 --> 0:56:35.040 You gotta be like, so I need the money, you know, 0:56:35.200 --> 0:56:36.719 And you got to hear their excuses. 0:56:37.120 --> 0:56:39.799 You eat what you kill, yeah, entrepreneur, you eat what 0:56:39.840 --> 0:56:40.239 you kill. 0:56:40.400 --> 0:56:42.520 Yeah, So it's it's different than just getting that every 0:56:42.520 --> 0:56:44.960 other Friday diregular pause in the. 0:56:45.040 --> 0:56:47.399 Money going to the Fall. One came up, like, you 0:56:47.480 --> 0:56:49.080 eat what you fucking killed. 0:56:49.239 --> 0:56:52.120 But when you when you saw the ice Cube movie 0:56:52.160 --> 0:56:53.239 and he did the bad thing. 0:56:53.160 --> 0:56:53.680 I don't hear that. 0:56:54.640 --> 0:56:56.160 Let me tell you something. I don't know if it 0:56:56.200 --> 0:56:58.879 was true, but man, the entrepreneur in me was like. 0:56:59.040 --> 0:57:02.080 Yes, get it, swing it, break it, And I was like, 0:57:02.360 --> 0:57:06.919 I just wanted to get it. 0:57:07.000 --> 0:57:09.920 The streets boy, the streets is live in you. But yeah, no, 0:57:10.040 --> 0:57:11.719 when I saw that scene, I didn't know if it 0:57:11.760 --> 0:57:14.920 was real or not. That you know. But but that. 0:57:16.440 --> 0:57:23.040 Situations that I've I've seen working at a label where situations. 0:57:22.400 --> 0:57:23.120 Happened like that. 0:57:23.400 --> 0:57:23.600 Yeah. 0:57:23.760 --> 0:57:26.479 Sometimes when I hear Rihanna's bitch better have my money 0:57:26.480 --> 0:57:31.160 I'll be like someone did. There was inspiration behind that ship, 0:57:31.360 --> 0:57:33.240 you know, like I'm kidnapping your wife. 0:57:34.280 --> 0:57:34.960 There's a lot of. 0:57:36.400 --> 0:57:40.000 Young black men in this music business that a lot 0:57:40.040 --> 0:57:44.720 of us are rough around the edges. So you know 0:57:45.000 --> 0:57:49.200 when you when you play with our money. It's really 0:57:50.080 --> 0:57:53.000 a lot of these people, these executives and these higher upies, 0:57:53.000 --> 0:57:56.680 they was the only thing they respect is violence. 0:57:56.720 --> 0:57:58.800 And it's sad to say. 0:58:00.320 --> 0:58:02.080 Cat told me years ago he was that the only 0:58:02.160 --> 0:58:03.440 the only thing that a lot of people in this 0:58:03.520 --> 0:58:05.160 bus respect is money and violence. 0:58:06.560 --> 0:58:08.800 But I just do right, man, just do stand up. 0:58:09.280 --> 0:58:09.919 Yeah that's it. 0:58:10.480 --> 0:58:12.440 Yeah, we can all make some money. We can all, 0:58:12.840 --> 0:58:15.920 but unfortunately everybody they don't do it. And like you 0:58:15.960 --> 0:58:19.120 just said, when you're an entrepreneur, you eat what you kill. 0:58:19.280 --> 0:58:21.600 So you can easily get. 0:58:21.360 --> 0:58:24.440 Thrown into the jungle where you in survival mode. And 0:58:24.480 --> 0:58:26.280 with you, like you said, you have a child. 0:58:26.600 --> 0:58:28.480 When you're in survival mode, I'm sure you move a 0:58:28.480 --> 0:58:30.920 lot differently. I ain't gonna play with me and my daughter. 0:58:31.080 --> 0:58:33.600 Oh yeah yeah, but I will say this. I've worked 0:58:33.600 --> 0:58:35.640 for companies but they didn't pay me for six months a. 0:58:35.720 --> 0:58:39.600 Year and been like an independent contract as an independent contract. 0:58:39.640 --> 0:58:42.520 There's some but in white white, all white people, I'll 0:58:42.560 --> 0:58:44.280 be like, yo, I'm gonna pull up to the gas station. 0:58:44.360 --> 0:58:46.080 I'm calling you to fill my car in a minute, 0:58:46.160 --> 0:58:49.400 like getting up in older white people's face, like it 0:58:49.600 --> 0:58:49.920 is a. 0:58:50.040 --> 0:58:53.680 Problem, sir. They owe me thousands and thousands and thousands 0:58:53.680 --> 0:58:54.440 of dollars if you. 0:58:55.920 --> 0:58:57.200 Just yeah, that ain't cool. 0:58:57.320 --> 0:58:59.439 It ain't cool. But I do think it does happen 0:58:59.480 --> 0:59:02.080 across small table industry, so for sure, definitely. 0:59:02.200 --> 0:59:04.360 And I always tell people now, like when I look 0:59:04.400 --> 0:59:08.560 at business, I take on big clients and small. I 0:59:08.720 --> 0:59:11.600 never discriminate on the small because you'd be surprised when 0:59:11.600 --> 0:59:15.200 your cash flow gets messed up, how that small business 0:59:15.480 --> 0:59:17.080 is the one that that really saves you. 0:59:17.840 --> 0:59:21.560 But shout outs to you, Shout out to you because 0:59:21.560 --> 0:59:22.720 you've got a great show man. 0:59:22.800 --> 0:59:25.440 Like I said, I now you gotta you got a 0:59:25.440 --> 0:59:26.440 new listener. 0:59:26.080 --> 0:59:28.680 Now, thanks, and you got a new listener. 0:59:29.680 --> 0:59:33.360 Be I'm gonna because you got n the streets. 0:59:33.440 --> 0:59:35.680 I'm gonna be like, yeah, we're gonna we gotta, we gotta, 0:59:35.760 --> 0:59:38.640 we gotta do some work together. But the next time 0:59:38.640 --> 0:59:43.480 we together, you know, if if the roles ever. 0:59:43.280 --> 0:59:45.240 Put us in the situation where someone's cooking. 0:59:46.240 --> 0:59:50.320 Oh wow, it's gonna be spaghetti. 0:59:50.840 --> 0:59:53.040 I make a good spaghetti. Man. I don't know what 0:59:53.080 --> 0:59:53.760 this Uh. 0:59:53.880 --> 0:59:55.000 What kind of sauce you put in? 0:59:55.280 --> 1:00:00.720 I put I even met the streets is watching? Oh 1:00:01.240 --> 1:00:02.640 all right, thank you so much. 1:00:04.000 --> 1:00:06.000 Let me figure out a nice play on how we're 1:00:06.000 --> 1:00:06.800 gonna close out this. 1:00:07.000 --> 1:00:09.960 So let's see eating. 1:00:10.720 --> 1:00:16.439 Hanging in the streets with mister legendary Broke. Eat, Peace out, 1:00:16.520 --> 1:00:39.160 y'all out. 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