1
00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,720
Speaker 1: Hey, oh well, Casey, where are you? I don't see

2
00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,720
Speaker 1: you at all? Why is your camera off right now?

3
00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:12,440
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm keeping my camera off for this episode.

4
00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,600
Speaker 1: Why what happened? Are you? Did you get punched in

5
00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:16,960
Speaker 1: the face or something? What happened?

6
00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:23,600
Speaker 2: I I just had a uh just very very minor,

7
00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:29,640
Speaker 2: very slight procedure done this past week, and I thought

8
00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,040
Speaker 2: it best that you do not see me just right

9
00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:33,519
Speaker 2: now in my current iteration.

10
00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:35,800
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what did you get? Like a face

11
00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:36,879
Speaker 1: lift or something like?

12
00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:37,000
Speaker 3: What?

13
00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:38,760
Speaker 2: Really?

14
00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:39,400
Speaker 1: No?

15
00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:46,280
Speaker 2: No, nothing quite like that. Okay, Well, I guess you

16
00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,960
Speaker 2: know how famously I'm five to seven?

17
00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:52,840
Speaker 1: Are you actually five seven?

18
00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,320
Speaker 2: Yeah? I'm five seven and a half. Really I must

19
00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,480
Speaker 2: be I must be very short. I think I am

20
00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:00,400
Speaker 2: actually really short.

21
00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:02,360
Speaker 1: I can't believe it because I thought you looked way

22
00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:04,720
Speaker 1: taller than me. I'm five to four.

23
00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:12,400
Speaker 2: Oh well that's fine for you know, a woman. Uh

24
00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,800
Speaker 2: but yeah, like I said, I was, I was five seven.

25
00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,679
Speaker 1: What do you mean you was? You were five seven?

26
00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:21,759
Speaker 1: What happened?

27
00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:26,119
Speaker 2: Well? I didn't want to god, okay, I didn't want

28
00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:30,000
Speaker 2: to get into it on the podcast. But have you

29
00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:36,320
Speaker 2: ever heard of limb lengthening surgery? Lemley what I'm sorry?

30
00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,559
Speaker 2: Can you lamb lengthening surgery? Millie? Have you ever heard

31
00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:40,760
Speaker 2: of that? Uh?

32
00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,600
Speaker 1: No, I haven't, And as a short person, I feel

33
00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:46,720
Speaker 1: like I should have. Like what does that entail.

34
00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:50,640
Speaker 2: It's a procedure where you can have your legs lengthened

35
00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,160
Speaker 2: to add height to your overall stature. And I had

36
00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:55,640
Speaker 2: it done this last week.

37
00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,640
Speaker 1: So you're telling me that you went under the knife

38
00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:03,280
Speaker 1: to get longer legs.

39
00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,760
Speaker 2: And now how tall are you? How tall are you now?

40
00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,720
Speaker 2: So you know, I thought it'd be great to be

41
00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,360
Speaker 2: six feet. Oh, it would be great to be over

42
00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,520
Speaker 2: six feet. And the max you know, I thought that

43
00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:19,400
Speaker 2: you could do, uh was six inches, which would put

44
00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,200
Speaker 2: me up to six to one.

45
00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:21,800
Speaker 1: Wow.

46
00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:25,360
Speaker 2: You know, but I there was I think there was

47
00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,320
Speaker 2: some miscommunication.

48
00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:33,639
Speaker 1: So so your camera's off because what happened now you're

49
00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:35,760
Speaker 1: you're all jangled angly.

50
00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,440
Speaker 2: I just think they misheard me and they added sixteen inches.

51
00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:44,799
Speaker 1: Wa. What hold on?

52
00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,000
Speaker 2: I'm six foot eleven, Millie, So.

53
00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,280
Speaker 1: What are you saying that you're like Victor Wembanyama.

54
00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:55,160
Speaker 2: That's the worst part. I'm I'm still shorter than Victor Wembanyama,

55
00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,800
Speaker 2: and I don't have the wingspan. You know, now I

56
00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,520
Speaker 2: need to get arm lengthening surgery. So I look, it's

57
00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:03,639
Speaker 2: just a mess million, I'm embarrassed.

58
00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,960
Speaker 1: Okay, well, okay, dude, I mean, I don't know what

59
00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,320
Speaker 1: to tell you. I I feel like you can your

60
00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:15,600
Speaker 1: worth is only getting better by being freakishly.

61
00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,040
Speaker 2: See that's what That's what I feel. But I've I've

62
00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:22,720
Speaker 2: actually it's I've gone over I've overshot it now and

63
00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,720
Speaker 2: now I'm a I'm basically like a slender man. Yeah,

64
00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,080
Speaker 2: and it's just a disaster.

65
00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,040
Speaker 1: Well, you're gonna have to be in a niche market,

66
00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,679
Speaker 1: a niche dating market, because you know you're.

67
00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,000
Speaker 2: Well, I am married with a child and they're not

68
00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:40,280
Speaker 2: happy about it, certainly, so I'm not dating anybody.

69
00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:45,360
Speaker 1: Well, having said that, we have an amazing episode this

70
00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:49,040
Speaker 1: week that is about one of the newest movies about

71
00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:50,320
Speaker 1: modern dating. Wuldn't you say?

72
00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:52,400
Speaker 2: Oh, I would definitely say it's one of the newest

73
00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,920
Speaker 2: movies about modern dating. Surgery. Be damned, we're talking about

74
00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:59,920
Speaker 2: this movie on the podcast. We're talking about Materialists Selene's

75
00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:04,520
Speaker 2: songs follow up to Past Lives, and you and I

76
00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,120
Speaker 2: both saw this in the theaters and I don't know

77
00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,240
Speaker 2: how you feel about it, so I'm very intrigued to

78
00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:10,360
Speaker 2: hear your reaction.

79
00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,760
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm intrigued to hear your reaction because obviously it

80
00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:15,360
Speaker 1: drove you to.

81
00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,039
Speaker 2: Surgical heights if you will. Well, this was on the

82
00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:24,200
Speaker 2: books for many months. It happens that it's mentioned occasionally

83
00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:25,000
Speaker 2: in this movie.

84
00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,520
Speaker 1: Yes, I see well, well, And like I want to say,

85
00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,520
Speaker 1: preface all of that by saying to you this, we're

86
00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,960
Speaker 1: doing a very brand new movie. We don't do this often.

87
00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,240
Speaker 1: It's like a movie that's in movie theaters right now,

88
00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,400
Speaker 1: So there's going to be spoilers perhaps, And if you

89
00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:43,120
Speaker 1: don't want to hear anything about this movie whatsoever, then

90
00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,520
Speaker 1: you might want to not listen this week. But we

91
00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,080
Speaker 1: would love it though, if you want to get in

92
00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:50,640
Speaker 1: there and chop it up with us.

93
00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:52,960
Speaker 2: Well. Not on top of that, we're going to be

94
00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,200
Speaker 2: talking about some more film regrets. Actually, we're gonna be

95
00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,200
Speaker 2: reading people's letters that wrote in about their film regrets

96
00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,160
Speaker 2: because a lot of people responded to that, so be

97
00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,000
Speaker 2: kind of fun to revisit that. Maybe we have some

98
00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,600
Speaker 2: new regrets I don't know might come up, but we'll see.

99
00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,640
Speaker 1: I know I'm loving the the enthusiasm around the regrets.

100
00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, stay tuned, it's gonna be an interesting episode.

101
00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:18,440
Speaker 1: You're listening to Dear Movies. I love you. Dear, I

102
00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:24,880
Speaker 1: love you, and I've got to know you love me to.

103
00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:28,840
Speaker 4: Check the box.

104
00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:39,760
Speaker 1: Well, hello, you are listening to dear Movies, I Love you.

105
00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:41,880
Speaker 1: This is a podcast for those who are in a

106
00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,839
Speaker 1: relationship with film. My name is Melie to Cherico.

107
00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,960
Speaker 2: My name is Katy O'Brien. I had my procedure reverse,

108
00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:51,279
Speaker 2: but I'm back to normal.

109
00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:56,440
Speaker 1: A god. I actually want I've always wanted to be

110
00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,800
Speaker 1: super tall. But I tell you about the whole h

111
00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,719
Speaker 1: I have had two inches stricken from my record by

112
00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:03,280
Speaker 1: my doctor.

113
00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,960
Speaker 2: Oh it's like an astronaut coming back from space. You shrunk.

114
00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:08,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh yeah.

115
00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:08,279
Speaker 4: No.

116
00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:12,640
Speaker 1: I was always I always thought I was five six,

117
00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,640
Speaker 1: Like I will say, from like my early twenties until

118
00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,279
Speaker 1: about five years ago, I was going around the world

119
00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:20,719
Speaker 1: telling people I was five to six.

120
00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:21,240
Speaker 5: Yeah.

121
00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,400
Speaker 1: I felt very comfortable at five six, and then my

122
00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,320
Speaker 1: doctor was like, oh, no, you're like five four.

123
00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,920
Speaker 2: And I'm like, man, there is a difference, isn't there.

124
00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:35,920
Speaker 1: Yes for me because I come from like a line

125
00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:37,720
Speaker 1: of shorties. My mom is like.

126
00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:39,920
Speaker 2: Five nothing, five to one.

127
00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:45,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, so my dad's of average height, I would say,

128
00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,839
Speaker 1: I mean he's but he's you know, I wanted to

129
00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,400
Speaker 1: be really tall, Like I wanted to be like five

130
00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:53,240
Speaker 1: ten five eleven.

131
00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,839
Speaker 2: I used to really wish I was taller. Yeah, it

132
00:06:58,000 --> 00:06:58,560
Speaker 2: really like.

133
00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:00,599
Speaker 6: Me.

134
00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:04,120
Speaker 2: And it wasn't so much in dating because he had

135
00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,680
Speaker 2: no problems there. But it's just more about like commanding

136
00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:11,960
Speaker 2: respect and like men treat you differently as a little

137
00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,600
Speaker 2: short guy, you know, like in high school and college

138
00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:19,560
Speaker 2: or even in bars, Like I feel like people are

139
00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:21,960
Speaker 2: maybe more likely to start want to start a fight

140
00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:26,240
Speaker 2: with you if you're littler. That's why I've had that up. Yeah,

141
00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:27,760
Speaker 2: you know, I've had a lot of I've had a

142
00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:29,880
Speaker 2: lot of grown men grab me by the collar.

143
00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,040
Speaker 1: Are you fucking Are you serious?

144
00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:33,200
Speaker 3: No?

145
00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,360
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm serious. God, what's wrong with you guys?

146
00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,400
Speaker 2: I know it's horrible. I agree. And so I was like,

147
00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:40,880
Speaker 2: I was like, if I thuldt it was bigger that

148
00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:42,120
Speaker 2: men wouldn't do that to me.

149
00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:48,200
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you. Like, guys are disgusting for so

150
00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,240
Speaker 1: many reasons. Besides they pick on their own kind for

151
00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:57,440
Speaker 1: being shorter, They pick on women for being old and

152
00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,440
Speaker 1: fat and ugly, like this is this movie. By the way,

153
00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,280
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about materialists. I think you we've

154
00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:07,280
Speaker 1: already teased that in the intro. There will be many

155
00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:13,440
Speaker 1: discussions about modern dating, because this movie is really an

156
00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:17,280
Speaker 1: examination of modern dating, but just also it's so blunt

157
00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,520
Speaker 1: in the ways that it talks about modern dating to

158
00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:24,800
Speaker 1: the point where it kind of unmoored me a little bit. Yeah,

159
00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:29,320
Speaker 1: you know, and then it really brings up like a

160
00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,720
Speaker 1: lot of personal feelings about dating and about like these

161
00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:37,199
Speaker 1: little qualifications and all the uncomfortableness about height and weight

162
00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:41,640
Speaker 1: and money, income, education, all of these things we feel

163
00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:47,120
Speaker 1: so weird about all the time. So hopefully you'll you'll

164
00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:51,280
Speaker 1: be able to talk about it. Because I was like, damn,

165
00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:52,520
Speaker 1: I don't.

166
00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:53,280
Speaker 2: Think you're short.

167
00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,520
Speaker 1: That's the thing. I'm shorter than you, and I always

168
00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:57,640
Speaker 1: thought I when we were hanging on in person, I

169
00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:59,960
Speaker 1: thought you were tall. So it's all right.

170
00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:01,800
Speaker 2: When we were hanging out in person, I thought you

171
00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,200
Speaker 2: were tall, Millie. I did not think you were short.

172
00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,600
Speaker 1: I swear god, I thought you were like six foot.

173
00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:09,199
Speaker 2: I'm not joke casing that is wild.

174
00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,120
Speaker 1: I even told Danielle that I was like oh, he's

175
00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:12,440
Speaker 1: taller than you know.

176
00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:14,800
Speaker 2: Do you think I would be a podcast producer? If

177
00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,800
Speaker 2: I was six feet tall, I'd be living in a

178
00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:21,800
Speaker 2: penthouse in Manhattan. I'm talking on a damn podcast in

179
00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:27,400
Speaker 2: my basement. That's real, though, that's real. You think a

180
00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,160
Speaker 2: six foot tall man would be doing this? Listen?

181
00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,400
Speaker 1: If I was Elizabeth Berkley and Showgirls, I think you

182
00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:37,800
Speaker 1: know I wouldn't be here either. This podcast wouldn't exist

183
00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:39,640
Speaker 1: if we were.

184
00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:49,200
Speaker 2: These were the hands, we were Delt's Millie. But before

185
00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,440
Speaker 2: we get into all that Millie, we must open up

186
00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,560
Speaker 2: the film diary, the ancient film text.

187
00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,720
Speaker 1: This is getting heavier by the days.

188
00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:03,559
Speaker 2: Each each which inscription make adds to its weight. And also,

189
00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,760
Speaker 2: you have you just scrap booking too. You're making this

190
00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,280
Speaker 2: to a scrap book, this film diary. Yes, you've got

191
00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:13,240
Speaker 2: your little high school logo stickers all over it. Shit

192
00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:18,120
Speaker 2: every every popcorn bag and bucket I flatten and tape

193
00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:19,560
Speaker 2: into the pages of the book.

194
00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:23,560
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. Do you want to go

195
00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:24,480
Speaker 1: first this week?

196
00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:29,000
Speaker 2: Oh? Sure, yes, happy to Okay, cool? So it was

197
00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,640
Speaker 2: just not to timestamp this too much. But this past

198
00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,200
Speaker 2: week was fourth of July and Trisha was like, I

199
00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:39,640
Speaker 2: want to watch like American patriotic movie. I was like, wow, culture,

200
00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:42,840
Speaker 2: and she was like, let's watch The Fugitive. And I

201
00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,080
Speaker 2: was like, have you seen the Fugitive. That's not a

202
00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,120
Speaker 2: patriotic movie. And she was like, oh, it's not. I

203
00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,360
Speaker 2: thought it was like a I thought it was like

204
00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,720
Speaker 2: a political thriller. And I was like, no, it's not

205
00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:53,520
Speaker 2: at all, but let's watch it. It's great. So we

206
00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:58,400
Speaker 2: watched The Fugitive, which is like a very winter movie too,

207
00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:00,000
Speaker 2: which is kind of fun to watch during the summer.

208
00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,920
Speaker 2: Fugitive is great man Fugitive from nineteen ninety three, Harrison

209
00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,719
Speaker 2: Ford looking good. Have you seen The Fugitive?

210
00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,600
Speaker 1: I think I did see it, but I'm gonna get

211
00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:11,800
Speaker 1: confused with Air Force One because I won one of

212
00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,160
Speaker 1: the movies I saw in a movie theater and it

213
00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:15,600
Speaker 1: might have been.

214
00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,400
Speaker 2: I think The Fugitive is much better than Air Force One,

215
00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:24,480
Speaker 2: like Tommy Lee Jones won an Oscar for sure. Okay, okay, anyways,

216
00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,240
Speaker 2: did you so much that Tricia joy it? Yeah, she

217
00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:28,719
Speaker 2: really loved it. I think she gave it four and

218
00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:29,360
Speaker 2: a half stars.

219
00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:30,040
Speaker 1: Wow.

220
00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:33,000
Speaker 2: I also gave it four and a half stars and

221
00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,960
Speaker 2: Letterbox and then I'm doing a little bit of research

222
00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:41,160
Speaker 2: this week. So I watched Jurassic Park three from two

223
00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:45,440
Speaker 2: thousand and one. This is the goofiest, one of the

224
00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,960
Speaker 2: goofiest Jurassic parks I've seen. It was fine, it was minor.

225
00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,559
Speaker 2: It felt to me the stakes felt lower, It's much smaller.

226
00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,640
Speaker 2: I thought it was just okay, okay. But then I

227
00:11:55,679 --> 00:12:01,960
Speaker 2: watched Jurassic World Dominion from twenty twenty two, and that's

228
00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:06,240
Speaker 2: the Jurassic Park that came out right before the latest one,

229
00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:13,480
Speaker 2: which is Jurassic World Rebirth and Jurassic World Dominion. I

230
00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:18,720
Speaker 2: thought was very disappointing and it made me question. I

231
00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:22,160
Speaker 2: was like, what exactly is a Jurassic Park movie at

232
00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:27,120
Speaker 2: this point? Because Jurassic World Dominion is very like Mission Impossible.

233
00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,880
Speaker 2: It also had like it also reminded me of the

234
00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:34,360
Speaker 2: movie Commando with Arnold Schwarzenegger, where like a daughter is

235
00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:38,880
Speaker 2: kidnapped and they're going after somebody like kidnapped. Yeah, it

236
00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:40,640
Speaker 2: was a lot of I don't know, so a little

237
00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:42,440
Speaker 2: bit of a miss in my opinion.

238
00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:44,839
Speaker 1: Well, thanks for telling me all that, because I feel

239
00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:48,439
Speaker 1: like I have to go on a similar research dive soon.

240
00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:56,120
Speaker 2: Thanks. Anyways, that's all the movies I watched this last week.

241
00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:00,320
Speaker 1: What about Well, at least she got The Future there

242
00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:01,120
Speaker 1: four and a half star.

243
00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:02,000
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly.

244
00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:07,360
Speaker 1: All right, So I actually watch four fucking movies this week, y'all.

245
00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,280
Speaker 1: Many of them one, two, three, Three of them were

246
00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:14,200
Speaker 1: first time watches.

247
00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:15,160
Speaker 2: Wow.

248
00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:21,839
Speaker 1: Okay, one of them is a huge, huge first time watch.

249
00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,400
Speaker 1: So the first movie I saw this week was Monty

250
00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:29,400
Speaker 1: Python and the Holy Grill.

251
00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:34,520
Speaker 2: Wow. I can't believe you've never seen it. But also,

252
00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:38,600
Speaker 2: you were never a thirteen year old boy, so it

253
00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:42,439
Speaker 2: might make sense why that one didn't cross your path.

254
00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:47,319
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I am gen X or whatever. I'm

255
00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,920
Speaker 1: kind of that, like I'm in that zone. Remember bred

256
00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,400
Speaker 1: Berg talked about it. It's like, yes, we're like not

257
00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:58,400
Speaker 1: true gen X, but we're also not millennial because the

258
00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,920
Speaker 1: millennial starts like in a year or two after we

259
00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,000
Speaker 1: were born, because we were both born in seventy nine.

260
00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:06,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, brett Berg was talking about how you were like

261
00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,640
Speaker 2: after the fact, kind of pushed into He was complaining

262
00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,679
Speaker 2: about this anyway that yeah, he feels like he was

263
00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,040
Speaker 2: pushed into being gen X many years afterwards.

264
00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:20,560
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I will say that there were people who

265
00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,200
Speaker 1: are in the gen X zone who are a little

266
00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,800
Speaker 1: older than me, that this was their everything, right, and

267
00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:27,360
Speaker 1: I respect that.

268
00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:28,320
Speaker 2: I respect it.

269
00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:33,320
Speaker 1: God bless you. It just wasn't on my radar, as

270
00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,880
Speaker 1: you mentioned, And when I finally sat down and watched it.

271
00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,080
Speaker 1: First of all, I'm doing a DVR cleanup of all

272
00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,080
Speaker 1: the stuff that I've recorded off of TV, and a

273
00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,280
Speaker 1: lot of it was on TCM, so this is why

274
00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,280
Speaker 1: I watched. I finally just decided to watch this movie.

275
00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:52,440
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you this, For me, I felt like

276
00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,600
Speaker 1: I was watching something way too late, Like I was like, oh,

277
00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:59,360
Speaker 1: here's something that I know is culturally significant. I totally

278
00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:03,000
Speaker 1: understand why this is popular with a certain age group,

279
00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:07,040
Speaker 1: but I understand why people still love it. But for me,

280
00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,800
Speaker 1: I don't have any childhood reverence for it. So I'm

281
00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:15,120
Speaker 1: just watching like kind of a you know, kind of

282
00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,160
Speaker 1: just like a broad comedy.

283
00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,520
Speaker 2: You know. That movie was so hyped. I think I

284
00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,440
Speaker 2: saw it first when I was like twelve, Yeah, but

285
00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:24,720
Speaker 2: before that, it was like hyped up, like this is

286
00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,680
Speaker 2: the funniest movie of all time, this is like the best,

287
00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:32,240
Speaker 2: It's so funny, NonStop joke fest. And then when I

288
00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,560
Speaker 2: watched it, I remember being disappointed too. I have no

289
00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,800
Speaker 2: real affinity for this film, Like I don't really like

290
00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,800
Speaker 2: love it in the way that people like it's the

291
00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,680
Speaker 2: movie that got them into comedy, right, Like you hear

292
00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:48,520
Speaker 2: people say that that it's like that was like a

293
00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,360
Speaker 2: hugely influential film for them to like be like, oh,

294
00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,480
Speaker 2: I want to be a comedian after watching that movie.

295
00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:55,160
Speaker 1: Well, and like this is the thing. This is why

296
00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,640
Speaker 1: I don't want to I'm not like shitting on it ultimately,

297
00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:02,680
Speaker 1: because every generation has like the comedy troupe of their

298
00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,320
Speaker 1: you know, of their generation. For me, it was Kids

299
00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,120
Speaker 1: in the Hall, So you know, I will always love

300
00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,800
Speaker 1: anything Kids in the Hall because when I was twelve,

301
00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:12,200
Speaker 1: I used to watch The Kids in the Hall and

302
00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,160
Speaker 1: I thought it was like the funniest thing in the world. Right.

303
00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,760
Speaker 1: There are people that I know that have never like

304
00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:18,520
Speaker 1: who are younger than me, who've never even heard of

305
00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,480
Speaker 1: the Kids in the Hall. They haven't even heard of

306
00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,200
Speaker 1: like Mister Show or any of these other things. So

307
00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,880
Speaker 1: you know, I get that, Like it wasn't part of

308
00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:31,359
Speaker 1: my childhood, so I don't feel anything for it necessarily.

309
00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,200
Speaker 1: The only thing I will say, and I won't say

310
00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,040
Speaker 1: it was a bad movie, Like, I don't think it

311
00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,040
Speaker 1: it's bad. It's just, you know, it's like watching like

312
00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,520
Speaker 1: a broad comedy with a bunch of jokes that you've

313
00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,920
Speaker 1: kind of heard third, fourth hand or whatever. The only

314
00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,120
Speaker 1: thought that I really did have the entire time this

315
00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:47,800
Speaker 1: is like such a stupid thought was I was like,

316
00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:52,800
Speaker 1: what is it about? Like the twelfth century Ish that

317
00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:58,040
Speaker 1: is so horny? Doesn't feel like the Camelot Night's era

318
00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:00,600
Speaker 1: was just like real.

319
00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,000
Speaker 2: Horny, very horny, at least be.

320
00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,119
Speaker 1: Like films.

321
00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:11,240
Speaker 2: I remember we watched some movie in English class my

322
00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,320
Speaker 2: senior year. Maybe it was like Excalibur. It was some

323
00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:19,560
Speaker 2: nineteen seventies medieval King Arthur movie and there's like a

324
00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:24,800
Speaker 2: really long sex graphic sex scene in it, and my

325
00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,560
Speaker 2: teacher got up during it and like held a notebook

326
00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,080
Speaker 2: in front of it and fast forwarded and felt like

327
00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:31,439
Speaker 2: she was fast forwarding forever.

328
00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:36,880
Speaker 3: So yeah, anyway, So I watched that for the fineteen

329
00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,119
Speaker 3: seventy fives, Monty Python and the Holy Grills, First time watch,

330
00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:42,800
Speaker 3: What's next?

331
00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:47,800
Speaker 1: Then I watched this movie that I was a first

332
00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:49,879
Speaker 1: time watch for me, even though and it's insane that

333
00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:51,920
Speaker 1: it's a first time watch because I'm such a fan

334
00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,640
Speaker 1: of the main actor in this film. So I watched

335
00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,920
Speaker 1: this movie called The Fool Killer from nineteen sixty five.

336
00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,960
Speaker 1: It was actually programmed on TCM by Joe Dante. He

337
00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,359
Speaker 1: was like the guest programmer for the night, and he's

338
00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:06,000
Speaker 1: the one that I.

339
00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:07,360
Speaker 2: Loved it too.

340
00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,480
Speaker 1: So he picked this movie, which I think is great

341
00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,200
Speaker 1: because it I don't think it's ever aired on TCM before.

342
00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:15,600
Speaker 1: This would be something that i'd play on underground, to

343
00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:19,639
Speaker 1: be quite honest. It's basically this like weird Anthony Perkins

344
00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:24,040
Speaker 1: movie from like the mid sixties where he's like he's

345
00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,520
Speaker 1: kind of like dressed like Davy Crockett, and he's like

346
00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:31,080
Speaker 1: befriends the suck young boy and they have kind of

347
00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:38,080
Speaker 1: this like pure kind of like Huckleberry Finn Tom Sawyer

348
00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,000
Speaker 1: kind of relationship. But then he's a he's like a

349
00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:46,159
Speaker 1: murderer or serial killer. Anthony Perkins is not the child.

350
00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,399
Speaker 1: It's very strange. There's also like this part about like

351
00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:54,080
Speaker 1: where like a preacher comes on and starts like preaching

352
00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:58,400
Speaker 1: really loudly and crazily. I don't know. It was kind

353
00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:02,439
Speaker 1: of like a product of its time, meets like a

354
00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:06,199
Speaker 1: weird psychotronic movie. I don't know, it was. It was

355
00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,399
Speaker 1: very strange, but I was ultimately I was glad that

356
00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:09,920
Speaker 1: he picked it because I was like, Wow, I've never

357
00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:11,280
Speaker 1: even heard of this movie, So.

358
00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,280
Speaker 2: I'm surprised Anthony Perkins wanted to do that movie be

359
00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:16,360
Speaker 2: a serial Killer after Psycho.

360
00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,600
Speaker 1: I mean, he did Psycho's two, three, and four twos,

361
00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,600
Speaker 1: so I don't know. Maybe he was like, this is me.

362
00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,879
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna be this guy forerever. But but it

363
00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:28,560
Speaker 1: was kind of like an art of like one of

364
00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,879
Speaker 1: these like kind of interesting artifact type of films that

365
00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,119
Speaker 1: I'm just ultimately glad I saw. Sure, And then I

366
00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:38,560
Speaker 1: watched two movies that were part of the TCM Pride

367
00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,400
Speaker 1: programming month in June that I just had on the DVR.

368
00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,879
Speaker 1: I watched my first time watched was Go Fish. The

369
00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:45,840
Speaker 1: movie Go Fish.

370
00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:47,719
Speaker 2: I've never seen Go Fish.

371
00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:51,960
Speaker 1: It was good. It's so it got I mean talk

372
00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:56,479
Speaker 1: about like I remember when this movie was out in

373
00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,520
Speaker 1: the nineties. This was like a movie that got referenced

374
00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,840
Speaker 1: a lot when we talked about you know, like American

375
00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:05,800
Speaker 1: independent nineties films. This was like one of the staples, right, Yeah,

376
00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,680
Speaker 1: And for some reason, I just had never seen it.

377
00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,119
Speaker 1: Even though I have seen and watched many times The

378
00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,840
Speaker 1: Watermelon Woman who starts one of your returner. She actually

379
00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:19,240
Speaker 1: wrote GoFish.

380
00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,080
Speaker 2: She also wrote American Psycho.

381
00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:29,600
Speaker 1: Oh right, cool, Yeah, so she's she's idiot, And I

382
00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,040
Speaker 1: don't know. I thought it was great. It was a

383
00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,840
Speaker 1: it's a great like little independent movie, kind of like

384
00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,400
Speaker 1: a bunch of friends hanging out black and white. It's

385
00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:37,920
Speaker 1: really cool.

386
00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,119
Speaker 2: And then from nineteen ninety four, yeah, yeah.

387
00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:46,080
Speaker 1: And then the last movie I saw, which played pretty

388
00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:49,200
Speaker 1: much immediately after GoFish is and this is I've seen

389
00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:53,480
Speaker 1: this movie before is uh Sanchra Bernheart's Without You I'm

390
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,280
Speaker 1: Nothing from nineteen ninety.

391
00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:59,280
Speaker 2: On my watch list. I have not seen it. Alonzo

392
00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:03,280
Speaker 2: Dralda of the Maximum Film podcast recommended this movie to me,

393
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:04,440
Speaker 2: and I still have not seen it.

394
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,040
Speaker 1: I actually think that he collaborated on the Pride programming

395
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,400
Speaker 1: with my friend Ben Chieves who works at TCM.

396
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,440
Speaker 2: No, he might have, because he just had he recently

397
00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,480
Speaker 2: had a book released by TCM, The Pride.

398
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:21,040
Speaker 1: Yes. I think that was probably a promotional stunt for

399
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,800
Speaker 1: him to come on to talk about. So anyway, it

400
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,880
Speaker 1: was I actually played this movie in Underground many years

401
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,400
Speaker 1: ago and it was hard. It was hard to see

402
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 1: for a very long time. It might still be actually,

403
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,920
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's kind of like a one woman show

404
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 1: and it's on. It's like in film form. It's cool.

405
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,480
Speaker 2: So I love Sandra Bernhard. She's so cool.

406
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, she is really cool. That's it awesome.

407
00:21:48,480 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 4: Yep, close it up, God, I close it.

408
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:15,120
Speaker 2: Okay, time to do our main discussion, which is on

409
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:20,880
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five's Materialists, written and directed by Selene Song. Now,

410
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,000
Speaker 2: Millie and I both saw this in the theaters, not

411
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 2: together but separately. I'm glad you didn't see it in

412
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,440
Speaker 2: my theater because the air conditioning wasn't working.

413
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 1: Oh real hot in there.

414
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 2: So Millie, I don't have any idea how you feel

415
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,360
Speaker 2: about it. So maybe you and I can each give

416
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 2: our three word review to maybe give some insight on

417
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,199
Speaker 2: how we felt about this movie. And this isn't a

418
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,680
Speaker 2: review podcast, you know, but it's good to say how

419
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 2: we felt about it because a lot of people are

420
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,400
Speaker 2: talking about this movie saying it's bad, saying it's good.

421
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'm like to your point just now. Part

422
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 1: of the reason I pitched it was because I had

423
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 1: friends who were texting me being like have you seen materialists?

424
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,640
Speaker 1: Like I got into your take. I got into your take,

425
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know what, we should just do

426
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 1: an episode about it because I feel like you and

427
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 1: I did you like Past Lives? Silly and songs? Per

428
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 1: previous film came.

429
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 2: Out in twenty twenty three. I loved Past Lives and

430
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 2: me too? I was a puddle me too afterwards. Didn't

431
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 2: you have to be like airlifted out of the theater?

432
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:30,880
Speaker 2: Am I thinking about that?

433
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 1: Yeah? Of course I did. It was it was awful.

434
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 1: I was with other people and people that I wasn't

435
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 1: like super tight friends with, and I was such a

436
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 1: disaster that I like ran to the bathroom after the

437
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 1: credits started rolling and I like didn't come out for

438
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,199
Speaker 1: a while because I was like, oh, I'm like, my

439
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:46,160
Speaker 1: eyes are puffy.

440
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, like thick guys, you want to get some pizza?

441
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,880
Speaker 1: I know they probably go around now being like God,

442
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:56,160
Speaker 1: that million to Cherco woman is insane. She like completely like,

443
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 1: you know, bald her eyes out at this movie now.

444
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 2: But I loved it. I thought it was so it

445
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 2: was her first movie, but it just felt like so masterful.

446
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 2: And it was in the New York Times. Stap one

447
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 2: hundred movies of the twenty first I should have been

448
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 2: on there. So yeah, but I love I loved passline.

449
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, so well now so now we're moving, you know,

450
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: like to my friends. So to my friends who were like,

451
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 1: what do you what do you think? This is how

452
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 1: I think? In three words, right, m hmm, okay, three words,

453
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 1: I will say, weird as fuck? What about you?

454
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 2: Weird as fuck? Let's see, I would say, mine's going

455
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 2: to be a question tonally, where are we?

456
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 1: That's four words, right, I'll give you that extra word.

457
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 2: Where are we? But just where are We're?

458
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: Okay? That's your okay, totally is just your kicker?

459
00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 2: Wow? Okay, wow, Yeah, I mean it. The thing is,

460
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 2: I see what she's trying to do. But this is

461
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 2: ostensibly a romantic comedy, and it is. To me it

462
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 2: was not funny. I think that's kind of a key

463
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 2: problem is that I didn't find it very funny. Sure, sure,

464
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 2: and so it was hard to know the tone of

465
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,199
Speaker 2: it and it could but it also felt very sincere

466
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 2: in the way that Past Lives is. Yes, but it's

467
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 2: a different movie than Past Lives. It's a different genre,

468
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,400
Speaker 2: and it sort of has the bones of a romantic comedy,

469
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 2: but I don't know. This just really did not work

470
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 2: for me.

471
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 1: This is interesting. Well okay, before we get any further, perhaps, yeah,

472
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: would you like to give a synopsis of sure?

473
00:25:55,320 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 2: Sure? Sure, sure? Okay. So Lucy Mason by Dakota Johnson

474
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 2: is a very successful matchmaker for a high profile matchmaking

475
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 2: service in New York City. She breaks people down to

476
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 2: math equations, you know, height, income, looks on a scale

477
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 2: from one to ten, and she plans on being single

478
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 2: for the rest of her life. That is until she

479
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 2: meets Harry Castillo played by Pedro Pascal at a wedding.

480
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 2: He is a ten out of ten. He's tall, and

481
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 2: he's super rich. But he's unusual according to Lucy, because

482
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:33,719
Speaker 2: he wants to date someone like Lucy rather than a

483
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 2: younger certified ten, which he could easily attain and normally

484
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 2: this type of guy would go for. But also he's

485
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 2: a little bit boring. I don't know. Anyways, they start dating,

486
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 2: but there's an issue because she also runs into her

487
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 2: hot ex boyfriend, John Finch played by Chris Evans at

488
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 2: this same wedding. Now he's poor and he's trying to

489
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 2: be an actor, and he's hot. There's chemistry. There's chemistry

490
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 2: between him and Lucy, and Lucy had broken up with him.

491
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 2: They had been together a long time, but I don't

492
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 2: know how far in the past they broke up, but

493
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 2: she broke up with him because he was broke. But

494
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 2: now she's got this ultra wealthy guy. I don't know,

495
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 2: what's a girl to do?

496
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: Very good? Very good? Wow? Yeah, this sum okay. So

497
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 1: I don't even know how to begin, because I will

498
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: say I think first and foremost we need to talk

499
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: about what I think. It's kind of like in the

500
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 1: music world, there's that like second album Curse. It's like

501
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: the second film Curse, right, Yeah, because Selene's song you

502
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: know is an Asian woman. She made this really deeply

503
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: emotional and poignant movie first time ago. She wrote and

504
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 1: directed Past Lives right, and it pulls a lot for

505
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: her personal life because you know, that situation effectively, from

506
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 1: what I've read online and how she's talked about it

507
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: was sort of true to life for her.

508
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 2: And in Past Lives, basically, she reconnects with an old

509
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 2: flaying who lives who's from Korea, but she's married to someone,

510
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 2: and but she wants to meet this guy in person.

511
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 2: When he visits New York, this guy from Korea, and

512
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 2: she's kind of like openly talking about like I had

513
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 2: feelings for him and I'd like to see him. And

514
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 2: the husband's kind of like, are you gonna like get

515
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 2: with this guy? And she's kind of like, I don't

516
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: know what's going to happen when I see this guy.

517
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 2: So it's kind of a Yeah, it's sort of a

518
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 2: love triangle type of movie. Past Lives is.

519
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

520
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: It has this sort of like really beautiful like kind

521
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: of through line, which is the kind of invisible thread

522
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: of connection that Koreans believe in, where you know, basically

523
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: like you're always going to be connected to certain people,

524
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: whether or not you're actually like physically with them or whatever.

525
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: And it's also like, you know, to me a lot

526
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: about you know, being from another country and immigrating to

527
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: It's like an immigration story about you know, seeing yourself

528
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: as like after you've moved to the West, like being

529
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: a more westernized person versus the way you were when

530
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: you were living, you know, growing up in Korean. How

531
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: you know, what kind of life do you have here

532
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,239
Speaker 1: versus the one you would have back home. I mean,

533
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: it's just very comple I was very, very moved by it,

534
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: So you know, I feel like because of that, it

535
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: won a lot of awards, It got a lot of

536
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: acclaim There was just I feel like that way, when

537
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: you make this incredibly amazing first album, there's just no

538
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: way that the second thing is gonna make as much

539
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: of an impact. I feel like you're fucked in that way.

540
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: So there's this moment where I do feel like she

541
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: could have made any movie and it would have been like,

542
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: I mean, she could have probably made a Marvel movie

543
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: at this point, but like.

544
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 2: I'm sure there were offers.

545
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: I know, any movie she would have made would have

546
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: ultimately been like.

547
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 2: Well, it's not like this first one totally.

548
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: So I like to give a little grace for that,

549
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: I will say, but I also think that as a movie,

550
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: I won't say. Yeah, I thought it was. One of

551
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: my friends on Letterbox, Scott Yongbauer, who like does a

552
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: really great podcast called The Movies That Made Us Gay

553
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: with his partner Peter, they said that this movie was

554
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: secretly one of the weirdest movies he's ever seen, and

555
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: it was perfect because I was, like, I thought it

556
00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: was kind of weird too. It's weird in the the topic,

557
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: the pacing the actors. You know, I don't know. I

558
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: thought it was kind of strange and I'm sure I'm

559
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: gonna get it.

560
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you feel very unmoored. Yeah, you're kind

561
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 2: of like, what is this movie?

562
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: Yes? Well, and like this is I think one of

563
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: the most fascinating little trivia bits about materialists is I

564
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: did not know this at all, and how I came

565
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: to find this out was in this totally random way

566
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: on TikTok, which is where I find all of my

567
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: information at this point. So, Selene's song used to be

568
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: a professional matchmaker. Did you know that?

569
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 2: No, not until you sent me the TikTok. Yeah.

570
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: So there was a woman that used to come across

571
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: my TikTok feed for months and months and months. Her

572
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: name was Lily Womble and she actually hosts a podcast

573
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: and she has a very famous TikTok. But she's she

574
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: calls herself a feminist dating coach. Right, So she's somebody

575
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: that kind of, you know, is a professional matchmaker working

576
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: in New York. But is you know, trying to do

577
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: something different I suppose. And her insights are really interesting.

578
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: I like every time her TikTok comes across, I sit

579
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: and listen. But she was the one that I saw

580
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: a story right before I saw the movie. That was like,

581
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: I used to work with Selene's song at the same

582
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: matchmaking company, and pretty much the movie is like word

583
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: for word what we experienced together working for this company,

584
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:37,479
Speaker 1: Like a lot of the dialogue of the dates and

585
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: stuff like those, like first person kind of perspective sequences

586
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: of the Jakota Johnson character talking to these people about

587
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: dating was apparently like real, real conversations, like real people

588
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: said those things, by the way, which is kind of horrifying.

589
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: But I thought that was so interesting because I was like,

590
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: I had no idea that she did any of that. This,

591
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: I think is a huge, huge theme of the film

592
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: and maybe is a little bit of an explanation for

593
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: the field itself, maybe a rationalization for the field of matchmaking.

594
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: And that's class. That's money, right. I will say, I've

595
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: never used a matchmaker, never really thought about it, and

596
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: that's a lot A lot of that is because I

597
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: don't have money to do these things totally. I would

598
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: never I couldn't justify spending the money to hire a

599
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: professional matchmaker. On top of that, and this I think

600
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: is a huge part of the film.

601
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

602
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: I feel like with this the type of matchmaking that

603
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: they're talking about in this film and perhaps maybe the

604
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: matchmaking that they were doing in real life as people

605
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: who were working in the industry at one point. They're

606
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: working primarily with people who have a lot of money.

607
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: You know, they have education, they have things. There's like

608
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: attributes about them that they feel like they need to

609
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: find in other people that they feel like they can't

610
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: just find organically, right, they need some kind of person

611
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: to come in there and create a filter that will

612
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 1: you know, basically bring them people that are what they want,

613
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: what they feel like they match with on a you know, cultural, societal,

614
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: financial level, right, Yeah, and this is I think that

615
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: that's why I think it's interesting because it's a world

616
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 1: that I just don't know anything about, and I actually

617
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: think it's interesting slash horrifying. And I think that's why

618
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: I was unmoored by this movie because it was like,

619
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: there are many many times in this film where the

620
00:34:54,120 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: realities of what people want in partnership were so fucked

621
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 1: up that I was like, oh, how how does anyone

622
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: find anybody? Like, Like, there are moments in the movie

623
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: where they're interviewing potential clients or their clients, and these

624
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: people have these extremely specific tastes and they have all

625
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: of these expectations that all of these you know this

626
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: like one person hands them like several sheets of printed

627
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: out paper that's like, this is what I wanted a partner,

628
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: you know, and they talk about this. It interviews that

629
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: I've seen with like the people that worked in this field,

630
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: but also with like people involved in the movie about

631
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: the racism, the fat phobia, the you know, the sort

632
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: of like the misogyny of this world of like the

633
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: ways like well you will you know, see it in

634
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: the movie where people are like I don't want to

635
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: date anybody that has more than a twenty percent BMI,

636
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,720
Speaker 1: which is insane, like to even say it, to even

637
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: say it is insane, or they don't they only date

638
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: white people, or you know, the only date people that

639
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: have this salary, which in this film was insane because like, oh,

640
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: they got to make like five hundred k a year.

641
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, holy shit, I don't know a single person

642
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 2: who makes that much money in my life.

643
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: Listen, we wouldn't be doing a podcast if.

644
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 2: We again, we wouldn't be doing a damn podcast. If

645
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:36,439
Speaker 2: we knew people like this, Yeah, No, And I think

646
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 2: the matchmaking service allows people to feel comfortable. That's like

647
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 2: part of the services thing is that, like it makes

648
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 2: people feel comfortable enough to be like to say the

649
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 2: most horrible stuff to them.

650
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: Yes, well, in a way they're kind of like, I mean,

651
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 1: they're like, well, I'm paying for this, so I'm going

652
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: to get what I want out of it, which is

653
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to say exactly what I want, even if

654
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:07,959
Speaker 1: it's problematic or you know, like would get me canceled. Yeah,

655
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: and that was extremely distressing. And listen, we're in different

656
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: lots in life, right, You're married, you have a child,

657
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: You don't really have to think about any of this

658
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: at all. It's true, you just don't. I am single,

659
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 1: I've never been married, I don't have children, I have

660
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: never like, I don't I'm not on apps. I don't like,

661
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that whole song and dance thing at all.

662
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 2: Have you ever been on the apps.

663
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 1: Briefly like I had had? So there were like maybe

664
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: two times where I was on an app for literally

665
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: more than one week. And when I say that, meaning

666
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: I probably had it for two weeks. I was constantly deleted.

667
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: I just felt so weird about them, like they don't

668
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: feel natural to me. I don't like the gamification of

669
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: dating that it does, like it makes you it's like

670
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: playing games basically. Yeah, And I just never felt like

671
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: I would win at the game, to be honest, and

672
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: so I just was like, well, I'm going to delete

673
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: this app. I downloaded it very like early days of

674
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: I think it was tender, like real early tender days,

675
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: like many many years ago. And then I downloaded it.

676
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: I think again when I moved to LA and then

677
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: was on it for maybe two weeks and then deleted

678
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: deleted it because I just just doesn't feel natural and

679
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: good to me. So have you were you on apps?

680
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 2: That's how I met my wife? Oh bumble? I was

681
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 2: in those streets. I was in those apps streets for

682
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 2: a long time.

683
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: Wow.

684
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 2: No, of course, yeah, And I guess so after watching

685
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 2: this movie, I was like, where the women are like

686
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 2: they can't be shorter than whatever six feet and they

687
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 2: have to make this much money. I was like, yeah,

688
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 2: I saw this. I saw this on the apps. There's

689
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 2: a lot of women who put like no men under

690
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 2: six feet on their apps, you know, and which is fine.

691
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 2: I don't care. Yeah, but it's like I guess I

692
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 2: had sort of had a piece of taste of that

693
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 2: from the apps, and then on the reverse seeing how

694
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 2: like awful the men were being Like this forty eight

695
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 2: year old, thirty eight year old guy is like, I

696
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 2: want someone more mature, and they're like, okay, so someone

697
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 2: in their like thirties, and he's like, oh no, no, no, no, no, no,

698
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 2: you've got to be in their twenties, twenty seven. They

699
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 2: need to be twenty seven, you know. I was kind

700
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 2: of like, yeah, men are nasty and disgusting, and like

701
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 2: these rich men are disgusting. So I guess I isn't

702
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 2: as shocked by that, and so I was kind of like,

703
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 2: what the what was the what is this movie trying

704
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 2: to say that I didn't already know or experience?

705
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: I see, I see, yeah, okay, yeah, I mean I

706
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: guess I guess you did. You were in those streets

707
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: a lot more than me. I Yeah, I feel like that.

708
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: The the bluntness at which that they talked about dating

709
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 1: was hard to hear, and it was like kind of

710
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: a constant throughout the movie. Now, this is the strangest

711
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: part for me. So in the During the course of

712
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 1: the movie, you have Dakota Johnson who is playing the matchmaker.

713
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: She matches a couple, they get married, she goes to

714
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 1: their wedding. She this is where she meets paid the

715
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: Page Pascal character, who's the brother of the guy that's

716
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: getting married right.

717
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:03,720
Speaker 2: Now.

718
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: She's like, I want him as a client, and he's like,

719
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: I want you to be my girlfriend. And that is

720
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: exactly what I thought was kind of strange in the

721
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:20,240
Speaker 1: onset about the Materialists, which I was like, Dakota Johnson

722
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: is extremely attractive, she's extreme.

723
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 2: Everyone is so hot in this movie. Everyone has no

724
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,280
Speaker 2: one has looked. Everyone looked as good as they've ever looked.

725
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 2: I thought, in this movie, right.

726
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: There is There are times in the movie where I

727
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:41,439
Speaker 1: was like, is she the right person for this role?

728
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 2: I think maybe a lot of the problems from the

729
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 2: movie come from Dakota Johnson's performance. Okay, in some ways, yes,

730
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 2: I she's so beautiful and she's kind of like in

731
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 2: the movie she's like, you don't want to date an

732
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 2: old hag like me, and it's kind of like.

733
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: All right, give me a break. He exactly wants to

734
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: date you.

735
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, But also there are parts where that are like

736
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 2: supposed to be kind of funny, but I don't know

737
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 2: if Dakota Johnson delivers those lines in a way that's

738
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 2: like funny. Now, and she really is doing nothing. It's

739
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 2: very muted acting, and I feel like this role kind

740
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 2: of required a little bit more I don't know, tenacity

741
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 2: or something. And I know she I know Selene's song

742
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 2: name checks broadcast news. But I was thinking a young

743
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 2: Holly Hunter would have been really good in this movie.

744
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: Okay, So let's let's dig into this because this is

745
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,959
Speaker 1: this is what I think is a tenant, a core

746
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: tenant of the rom com Okay. And you'll have to

747
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,720
Speaker 1: forgive me if this, you know, sounds a bit weird,

748
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna say it. I think that obviously, the

749
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: avatar for us, especially for me, for like, let's just

750
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: say me as a woman, a straight woman who is

751
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: interested in men, okay, is the relatability of the lead character.

752
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:24,720
Speaker 2: Okay.

753
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: And with rom coms, that person your avatar can be sexy,

754
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: but they also have to be cute. Okay. They have

755
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: to be relatable so they can be extremely attractive. And

756
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 1: lord knows, I mean there's so many rom comms where

757
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: that woman is extremely attractive. I mean, Julia Roberts a

758
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: pretty woman and like freaking even I mean, I remember

759
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: when Britard Jones's Diary came out where everybody was like

760
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 1: Renee Zellweger was supposed to be like some chunky uggo

761
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 1: and she's extremely beautiful Sandra Bullock.

762
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 2: I feel like every movie they're like, oh, she's hideous, Like.

763
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: No, no, no, she's like a famous, famous actress who is

764
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: extremely gorgeous and could have any man she wanted. But

765
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: there is an element of I don't know, some kind

766
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: of this cuteness or this relatability or this quirkiness, and

767
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: that is something that I don't think Dakota Johnson gave

768
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: even this movie. There was no way in for me

769
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: with her at all. She could be a boss bitch,

770
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: she could be wearing her like you know, power blazers

771
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: and shit and click clacking around and you know, she

772
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: could be doing her job just fine and really good

773
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: at what she does. But was she giving me like

774
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: a way in beyond that, Like is she nice? Is

775
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: she like does she have like you know, I don't know,

776
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 1: like weird.

777
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 2: Well that's the whole fucking thing where she's like I

778
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: drank a coke and beer and it's like, no, you

779
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 2: fucking don't cann We talk about this real quick. Her

780
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 2: drink of choice is that she orders a coke and

781
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 2: beer together and we never see her drink it. Does

782
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 2: she mix the two together or does she drink them separately?

783
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 2: But it was supposed to be kind of her like

784
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 2: quirky thing she got well right, and I.

785
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: Think if she if we did see her mix it

786
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: and chug it like a boss, then I'd be like, oh,

787
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: I get it, like get her, yeah, you know, but

788
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 1: it was there was nothing for me to grab onto.

789
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 1: I was like, it would be great if like she

790
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: clogged a toilet at least once in this movie, or

791
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: like did something like funny and weird and like actually

792
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: like humanistic to me, it didn't feel that way.

793
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 2: So was she so elegant and just so demure and

794
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 2: kind of like yes, muted and regal that there's no

795
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 2: way in with her. You're totally right.

796
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: It was like she suffered from being like two chic too.

797
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 1: She and even though there were moments where she was like, well,

798
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,479
Speaker 1: only make eighty eight thousand dollars a year or whatever, which,

799
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: by the way, any other part of the country, you'd

800
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: own a home, but you live in New York City

801
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: and you're a beggar apparently if you make eighty eight

802
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 1: k no totally.

803
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: And there's like several moments where she's like, I grew

804
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 2: up poor. I was poor, and I was like, eh, no,

805
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 2: you weren't. Like I was just like, I don't believe

806
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:13,800
Speaker 2: you like you weren't.

807
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: Show it. Show how that works, because it's not. You

808
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: can say the things, But I feel like there has

809
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 1: to be a moment in a film where we get

810
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: it from a character perspective. But I gotta tell you,

811
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: as much as we're kind of like it seems like

812
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: we're kind of dogging out Dakota Johnson in this movie,

813
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: Chris Evans was not much better.

814
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 2: Like I one hundred percent agree the everything that we

815
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 2: said applies to him. Yes, I'm like you, you are

816
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:52,720
Speaker 2: not you are too beautiful and too chic, your hair

817
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 2: is too gorgeous, and like they kept being like he

818
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 2: lives in a shitty apartment, and it's like it just

819
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:03,919
Speaker 2: didn't feel like it. It didn't feel he wasn't relatable.

820
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 2: I don't know he was. It was everything you say

821
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 2: it we just said about Dakota Johnson could be applied

822
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 2: to him as well.

823
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there was I think there was a

824
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: kind of an effort maybe with the acset work to

825
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:21,240
Speaker 1: try to make him into this like Mindy Kaling guy type,

826
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 1: you know, like the like lovable, like Jersey New York

827
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,919
Speaker 1: type of dude. But it just don't know, I know,

828
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. I just don't think it hit.

829
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: And this is I think the problem with the relationship

830
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:39,479
Speaker 1: because spoiler alert, they're you know, they broke up many

831
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: years ago, but now they're kind of backing each other's lives,

832
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: and I think you do have the traditional rom com

833
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 1: setup of the like should I go with like the rich,

834
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: handsome guy or like the poor guy that I love

835
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 1: type of thing, right, Yeah, But the idea that two

836
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:06,280
Speaker 1: of them wanted to get back together was never really

837
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: fleshed out in a way that made me compelled.

838
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 2: Like I was, like, I don't one hundred percent agreed.

839
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 2: There was no there was nothing in their story that

840
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 2: was like, see I've changed, I'm different now, or I've

841
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 2: come to a decision that we should be together. It's

842
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 2: just kind of like they end up back together. There

843
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 2: isn't really an inciting incident that propels them back to

844
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 2: each other. Right, they just kind of end up back

845
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 2: in each other's arm.

846
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: Well, and like there's nothing human that gets shown in

847
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: the film that makes you believe that they want each

848
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: other despite all of the like economic machinations and the

849
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: pressures of capitalism, which are, by the way, are insane.

850
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: Like at this point in our life, I think that

851
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 1: people are scerned about money, and they are concerned about

852
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 1: money and lifestyle in a way that is not romantic.

853
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:08,399
Speaker 1: It is not.

854
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 2: Good, it's not good.

855
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: People aren't good people now about money. People will break

856
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: up with you for being poor now, and people won't

857
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 1: even beat you. And this is like, I think this

858
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 1: is the truest part of the movie is that it

859
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: is so cutthroat in a way that makes you feel

860
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: like shit. And that's what I felt like, I feel

861
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,479
Speaker 1: like shit when I was, like, you know, watching parts

862
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: of this movie. So in my mind, I'm like, show

863
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: me the thing that is going to bring these people

864
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 1: together despite all the pressures and all of the bullshit

865
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,919
Speaker 1: and the horribleness of modern capitalism. Show me what they

866
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 1: have that is, And it's not dancing in a barn

867
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: with like string lights, which, by the way, Selaine's song

868
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: hats dring lights and past lives too.

869
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 2: It's a millennial problem. It's a millennial disease, and fuck

870
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 2: if I'm not I'm cursed with it. I love a

871
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 2: string light.

872
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: You love an outdoor string light.

873
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 2: That's so interesting that we love anthropology, we love an

874
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 2: outdoor string light. I love that you.

875
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: I was just produced to the millennials, like it's a

876
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 1: millennial problem.

877
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 2: Okay, like it's a millennial problem, I will say. I

878
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 2: was like, this is a millennial movie from almost the beginning.

879
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 2: The beginning of the movie plays with like kind of

880
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 2: a montage of Manhattan and they're playing cat Powers Manhattan.

881
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 2: I was kind of like, hmm, I don't know. This

882
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 2: feels very two thy eleven. I don't know.

883
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 1: I felt like that's what you're saying.

884
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 2: It was very millennial COVID.

885
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: Although I do love that song the I do.

886
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 2: I love cap Power.

887
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's it's funny because that moment where they

888
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: spoiler they uh drive up state and uh.

889
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 2: Crass spoiler there are string lights and slow dancing, yes.

890
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: And I think that was supposed to have been the like, hey,

891
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: isn't it aren't they they're supposed to be together. She's

892
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 1: not supposed to be with Pedro Pascal and is you know,

893
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: spotless well appointed Noguchi lamp apartment Like this is like

894
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 1: this is who she's supposed to be with. But it

895
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: was not enough for me. I think it just didn't

896
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: feel enough. It felt kind of hollow. Their relationship felt

897
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: kind of hollow. He I mean towards the end spoiler alert, Uh,

898
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 1: you know, he's basically like, I know I'm poor, but

899
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 1: I know I'm gonna love you, and I'm like, is

900
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:52,479
Speaker 1: that it?

901
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 2: And then she's like and I'm gonna be I'm going

902
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,879
Speaker 2: to complain about being poor for the rest of our lives,

903
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 2: but let's do it. And I was like, well that

904
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 2: sounds bad too.

905
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: I was like, are you really about to go back

906
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: in that apartment with the guy who left the condom

907
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: in the living room and stealing chargers and you about

908
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: to do that? Girl? Like, what's up? Like, I don't know,

909
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: I don't think. She didn't give any indication that she

910
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: was about that life, and uh, he didn't give any

911
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: indication that he was going to do anything different. I

912
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:29,399
Speaker 1: don't It just felt not.

913
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 2: It didn't feel very romantic. No, it like didn't feel

914
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,439
Speaker 2: I don't know, I didn't feel anything. I think that's

915
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 2: a big problem here. I felt like, for how much

916
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:44,240
Speaker 2: we emotionally felt in past lives, I felt nothing throughout

917
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 2: this whole movie for me. Yeah, so do you except

918
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 2: disgust at the dating stuff? I suppose I did feel

919
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,479
Speaker 2: something with that, but just I don't know. I didn't

920
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 2: get the tingles.

921
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: Well, okay, so this is I think maybe what we need.

922
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. Hopefully I can flesh this out enough

923
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 1: to make you understand what I'm about to say. Do

924
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: you think that the Tingleys comes from a latent but

925
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 1: inherent corniness to rom coms that exists and you cannot

926
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:25,399
Speaker 1: make a beautiful atmospheric rom com.

927
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 2: I think that is correct. I think that inherently, and

928
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 2: in romance in general, inherently there's a bit of cornball

929
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 2: going on. Now. Do you think that Selene's song was

930
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 2: kind of like I want to make a romantic comedy

931
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 2: without the cornball? I intentionally, you know, I don't think

932
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 2: she was like doing the elevator pitch in the studio,

933
00:53:56,520 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 2: being like, I'm gonna make a beautiful, cold, slightly cold

934
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 2: atmospheric rom com uh, I'm going to turn it on

935
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 2: its like.

936
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: I think that that's just maybe her visual creative style

937
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: that she was trying to apply to a genre.

938
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 2: That is way more.

939
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: Earnest and corny by nature. Does that make sense?

940
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, I think you're one hundred percent correct. Can

941
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 2: I tell you the biggest laugh the theater I was in?

942
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,240
Speaker 1: God this, I want to hear this because I feel

943
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:39,720
Speaker 1: like it's the same one, But go ahead.

944
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know, Maybe it's not. So

945
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 2: there is a kind of a prologue and epilogue in

946
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 2: this movie of cavemen and cave people, which is not

947
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 2: meant to be funny, falling in love and quote unquote

948
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:02,760
Speaker 2: getting married, and so you see that at the beginning,

949
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 2: and then there is some voiceover and towards the end

950
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 2: there's a voiceover of like, I think of the caveman,

951
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 2: the first caveman to fall in love and get married?

952
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 2: What was that like? Blah blah blah, And sort of

953
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 2: as she's doing that voiceover, we see Chris Chris Evans

954
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 2: walk in front of like a natural history museum and

955
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 2: it says like coming soon, caveman exhibit, And people really

956
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 2: laughed at that what because it was like, why is

957
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 2: there so much damn caveman stuff going on? I don't know.

958
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 2: I kind of like was like laughing at it too,

959
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,839
Speaker 2: because I was like, really, did they have to have

960
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 2: a caveman exhibit happening in the background? I don't know.

961
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: This is what makes this shit truly bizarre to me.

962
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 1: Like when okay, when this caveman thing happened, I was like,

963
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: where the hell are we going?

964
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 2: Like this me too. I plugged my years really during

965
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 2: that part because I was like, this feels like a

966
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 2: rom com beginning where he gets like stepped on by

967
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 2: a dinosaur. Like I swear to fucking.

968
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: God that I thought that that was going to happen.

969
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 2: Because it was like I was so I was so

970
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 2: just like tumbling out into lost space. I have no

971
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 2: idea where so too many Jurassic Park movies. You're like,

972
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 2: oh Christmas, I'm coming in with some bias. I'll admit

973
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 2: I'm coming with some bias. But it just like that's

974
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 2: how out of the realm of safety I felt. I

975
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 2: was like, I have no idea what.

976
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: Oh. I was like, is this the is this two

977
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 1: thousand and one a space outestly like what are we

978
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: doing here? This is insane and I mean just the

979
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: idea that a rom come.

980
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 2: Earnestly starts like that, this earnest not that this was

981
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 2: not for Come.

982
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:01,760
Speaker 1: This was absolutely not for Okay. So the biggest laugh

983
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: that came in my movie, Yes, I want to spoiler alert.

984
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 2: I think I know where you're I think I know

985
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 2: where you're going to be. Okay.

986
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: So Paja Pascal's character, Okay is like, you know, obviously,

987
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: I mean, he ends up being the Baxter of the film.

988
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: If you know what a Baxter is is like you know,

989
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,479
Speaker 1: the kind of it's kind of like film slang for

990
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: the guy that does not end up with the main character.

991
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: And he's like the you know, the lame duck type

992
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: of guy.

993
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 2: Right, It's like Bill Pullman in Sleepless in CM, That's right.

994
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 1: He's the He's the Baxter, the guy that loses the

995
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 1: girl for Chris Evans. Right. So he is revealed at

996
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 1: some point in the film. By the way, this was

997
00:57:55,560 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: dark as fuck. The reveal was very dark, also very strange.

998
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: But it's revealed that he has had leg lengthening surgery

999
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 1: much like I did earlier, but reversed and in the

1000
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: beginning of the movie, anecdotally, they're talking these you know,

1001
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: Dakota Johnson's talking to her coworker, and you know, her

1002
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: coworker's telling her this anecdote about how there's now surgery

1003
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: is where you can be taller, you can be actually

1004
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 1: made taller, and that you know, in the dating pool,

1005
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: being tall is obviously a benefit. And like guys who

1006
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: are rich, who are trying to date supermodels who are

1007
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 1: twenty two are a lot of them are getting this surgery,

1008
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: and you're like, how absurd, how absurd, And then you

1009
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: realize that he, his fucking ass, got the surgery right,

1010
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: and it's revealed in this very dark, intimate way, which

1011
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: also kind of made me laugh in this Stranger because

1012
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I don't know, this is like really tense,

1013
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: and I feel like it's.

1014
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 2: Again, this is not I felt like this scene was

1015
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 2: not played for comedy. No, it's not.

1016
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 1: This might mean it's so strange. So then he doesn't

1017
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: want to talk about it. He goes to the kitchen,

1018
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 1: you know, and he then they start having their like

1019
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 1: what are we doing? Am I supposed to be with you?

1020
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1021
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: I think you want me, but you don't want me

1022
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: and you're just you like me on paper. So they

1023
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: kind of like have their breakup moment, right there's like

1024
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 1: a liar of bitch. Pascal just like is this about

1025
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 1: the leg? And everybody laughed.

1026
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 2: Really, but that's not a joke. I didn't feel like

1027
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 2: there was a joke. Wasn't a joke.

1028
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: But I think it was just like his delivery and

1029
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: the absurdity of the entire scene, like the absurdity of

1030
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 1: all of it. Everybody just laughed because we were just like,

1031
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 1: it is about the leg. Actually, I think maybe I

1032
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: don't know.

1033
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 2: That would have been a great moment if she was like,

1034
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 2: it's a little bit of it, like, but she was

1035
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 2: like no, I just I feel like I know you

1036
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 2: more now because of that. At the end of that scene,

1037
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 2: he crouches down to where he would have been at

1038
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 2: five six and he's like, could you've dated me? He's like,

1039
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 2: I never would have asked you out if I was

1040
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 2: this hight and she's like, I think you would have.

1041
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 2: And it like cuts to a wide of him like

1042
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 2: crouching with this little butt out and I'm like, is

1043
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 2: this not funny? This feels funny, but it's not a

1044
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:18,479
Speaker 2: joke either.

1045
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 1: I just felt very strange, a getting very strange, but

1046
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: everybody laughed. I don't think it was supposed to be funny,

1047
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: and yet I think there was like a tension building

1048
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 1: up with the audience where we're like, okay, we have

1049
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 1: to laugh at this. As much as I've I've talked

1050
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 1: about disliking a lot of what was happening, I am giving.

1051
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 1: I'm saying too that I think she if any movie

1052
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 1: she would have made, would have ultimately ultimately been compared

1053
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 1: to past lives and she would have lost ultimately. I

1054
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 1: also think that the marketing of this movie is very strange,

1055
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 1: and a lot of people have said that, Like I've

1056
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 1: read reviews about how people were like, you know, the

1057
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: way that this film was being presented is not what

1058
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 1: actually it was. And maybe I mean, we've seen that

1059
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: happen many times in Hollywood, where a film is not

1060
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 1: what we thought it was because whatever, like the marketing

1061
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 1: people that or wherever company are like, we're trying to

1062
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 1: make this into a movie that we want to sell,

1063
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 1: not what this movie actually is. Type of thing.

1064
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 2: I will say, this didn't feel like a sellout movie

1065
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 2: to me, and it didn't feel like I felt like

1066
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 2: Selene's song was trying something. I don't feel like ultimately

1067
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 2: it worked, but I still like respect the movie and

1068
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 2: what it was trying to do. I do think she

1069
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 2: ultimately failed at doing that, but that doesn't like a

1070
01:01:56,280 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 2: lot of great directors try to do something and don't like.

1071
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 2: I mean, this is maybe a silly example, but I

1072
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 2: think of like Ori Astor's bo Is Afraid. I was like,

1073
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 2: that did not work for me, and I don't know

1074
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 2: what that was. But that doesn't mean I like him

1075
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 2: less than as a filmmaker, or I don't feel like

1076
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 2: this takes away anything in my opinion of her as

1077
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 2: a filmmaker, you know, because I feel like she really

1078
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 2: swung for something. Yeah, And that's kind of all I

1079
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 2: ask of film directors, to like try something interesting and

1080
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 2: to do something unique, yeah, you know, and I think

1081
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 2: she really tried to do that.

1082
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I mean like she should continue to make

1083
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 1: all the movies that she wants to make, honestly, Like

1084
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:43,919
Speaker 1: even if this one, ultimately, you know, wasn't hitting as

1085
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 1: hard as Past Lives. I mean, this is I think

1086
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 1: what's going to be actually really interesting. As we talk

1087
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 1: about this a lot in Hollywood about you know, movies

1088
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 1: that are panned or misunderstood and that get reevaluated. I mean,

1089
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 1: I can actually see people reevaluating this movie later.

1090
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 2: Like I a hundred this is the This is the

1091
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 2: type of movie that ends up on like the Criterion

1092
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 2: Channel or the Criterion Collection like twenty years from now,

1093
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 2: where it's like, we didn't quite understand this at the time,

1094
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 2: And I would be one of those people who didn't

1095
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 2: quite understand it at the time. But I think this

1096
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 2: is the classic type of movie that screams for reevaluation

1097
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 2: years from that.

1098
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this I'm so guilty of that too. I mean,

1099
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I think one of the famous ones is

1100
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 1: that I remember not really enjoying Maulholland Drive, David Lynch's

1101
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 1: Maholland Drive, and I first saw and then I saw

1102
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 1: it many years later. I saw it fairly recently in

1103
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 1: the past year, and I think it's a masterpiece. So,

1104
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:41,959
Speaker 1: I mean, a lot can change totally, but I ultimately, yeah,

1105
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 1: I feel like this is such a bizarre film for me.

1106
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 1: The one thing that I do think is really interesting

1107
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 1: is that, Okay, so Past Lives is a movie that's

1108
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 1: ultimately about three people, sort of like a love triangle.

1109
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 1: Then there was a lot of conversation around when Challengers,

1110
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 1: the movie Challengers came out, So that movie was written

1111
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 1: by her partner, and that is ultimately a movie about

1112
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 1: a low triangle. And I remember everybody being like, huh,

1113
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 1: that's really interesting. There's like a love triangle, two love

1114
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 1: triangle movies made by a couple. That's interesting. And then

1115
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 1: he got this movie that's also sort of about a

1116
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 1: love triangle. What is it about love triangles in this family?

1117
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 1: What's up?

1118
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 2: Do you think part of it is that Selene's song

1119
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 2: was trying to say to people after past lives, because

1120
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 2: at the end of past Lives, she goes back to

1121
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 2: her husband, she doesn't hook up or get with the

1122
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 2: Korean man from her past. Do you think that this

1123
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 2: movie is her way of saying, like, no, no, no,

1124
01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 2: I always will prefer the art a poor guy over

1125
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 2: the successful, rich, tall guy.

1126
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:12,440
Speaker 1: I mean perhaps, yeah, I mean I feel like, okay,

1127
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 1: that's a very interesting concept that this family is drawn

1128
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 1: to stories about yeah triangles. However, it is kind of

1129
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 1: a great narrative device, right, I Mean, there's just totally

1130
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 1: there's a lot of drama in that scenario, so why.

1131
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 2: Not can I say something sort of something else that

1132
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:34,439
Speaker 2: unmoored me from the very top of the mode. Sure.

1133
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 2: Dakota Johnson's coworker Daisy, who she talks to about the

1134
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 2: height lengthening surgery and kind of the other woman who

1135
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 2: she works with. She's played by Dasha Nekrasova. Do you

1136
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 2: know who that is?

1137
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 4: No?

1138
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 2: She is the host of the podcast Red Scare. And

1139
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 2: she used to be a huge Bernie bro slash, huge

1140
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 2: socialist advocate, and now she's a huge right winger Donald

1141
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:10,479
Speaker 2: Trump supporter and like Alex Jones fan what And she's

1142
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 2: like really pro Donald Trump now and has been for

1143
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 2: a little while. And I was like, why is she

1144
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 2: in this fucking movie?

1145
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 1: Wow?

1146
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 2: And so I was just like what the hell when

1147
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 2: I saw her on screen?

1148
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 1: So I did not clop that whatsoever. I've never even

1149
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 1: heard Red Scare though, So that's my interesting wow. Huh. Well,

1150
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 1: is there anything else to say about materialists? I mean,

1151
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 1: I feel like we obviously went super hard, super like.

1152
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 1: I think we both came to the same conclusion about it.

1153
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 1: And I'm actually surprised that we both felt very similar

1154
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 1: about it, because a lot of times you and I

1155
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 1: don't and you know, which I think is also great.

1156
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 1: I mean, that's part of having a podcast with you

1157
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 1: is that week.

1158
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 2: It is interesting. We were like completely aligned on this

1159
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 2: because if you look at like I, a lot of

1160
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 2: my friends and people who like whose film opinions I

1161
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 2: really respect, really liked this movie, and we're like, oh,

1162
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 2: I love this, this is really working for me.

1163
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 1: Huh.

1164
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 2: So just because I didn't see it with this one

1165
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 2: does not mean that you won't like I don't. I

1166
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 2: actually don't think this is a bad movie because I

1167
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 2: think what she's attempting is honorable and good. Yeah, you know,

1168
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 2: but so I'm not even like saying people should skip

1169
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 2: it because it is an interesting film.

1170
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pro cigarettes. I think we need to make.

1171
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 2: That distinct great cigarette. Actually again, you know what I

1172
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 2: will say. You know, we talked about in our episode,

1173
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 2: which my dad loved. He loved the cigarette episode and

1174
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 2: how he's like, you can tell when actors don't know

1175
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 2: how to smoke. He brought he brought that up that

1176
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 2: he really loved that coment.

1177
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Casey's dad, thank you.

1178
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kevin O'Brien, Kevin shout out, shout. But I will

1179
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 2: say I feel like Chris Evans and Dakota Johnson don't

1180
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 2: know how to smoke.

1181
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like he smokes weed. There's also that too,

1182
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 1: where you can see somebody who smoked marijuana but never cigarettes.

1183
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:16,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, so interesting.

1184
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 1: Well, I think Patrick Pascal should have just taught him

1185
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:21,680
Speaker 1: all how to do everything. They'd be like, listen, I'll

1186
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 1: teach you. Oh yeah, teach every all the tricks in

1187
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:24,599
Speaker 1: the book.

1188
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 2: Can't you just see a cigarette just hanging on his

1189
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 2: lip as he's doing, I don't know, something fixing a car.

1190
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:36,440
Speaker 1: I mean, they showed the trailer for the new Ariostra movie.

1191
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:41,639
Speaker 1: Uh huh, and he's in that. Yeah, and he looks

1192
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 1: damn fine. He needed like he's he is my He

1193
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 1: should just be in Westerns again. I know, I'm describing,

1194
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 1: you know, careers to these very famous people where I'm like,

1195
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but you should just stand erotic thrillers. With

1196
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 1: Patrick Pasko, I'm like, could you just stay in Westerns

1197
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 1: and like, you know kind of I don't know, like

1198
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:05,720
Speaker 1: morality tales, action films or something. I don't know.

1199
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 2: He's just is like he's got that gravitas he does.

1200
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 2: He's good man. I love Pagan.

1201
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:16,639
Speaker 1: He doesn't have to lengthen his legs a damn inch.

1202
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:17,599
Speaker 1: As far as I'm.

1203
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:21,240
Speaker 2: Concerned, how how tall is Pedro Pascal in real life?

1204
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 2: Let me look this up? Do you ever do that?

1205
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 2: Look up height on celebrities?

1206
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 1: Of course, I think they're all lying. That's why I

1207
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 1: don't really think about it.

1208
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:32,559
Speaker 2: I mean, see, he's five ten in real life.

1209
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I thought he was taller.

1210
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:38,599
Speaker 2: He's supposed to be six foot in this movie.

1211
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:41,760
Speaker 1: So I mean, that's what's what I mean, is like,

1212
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 1: how tall is anyone? Like? I feel like I'm the

1213
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:48,040
Speaker 1: shortest person ever. I feel like you're the tallest person ever.

1214
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:49,599
Speaker 1: So I have like, you know.

1215
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 2: Well I am now thinks to my surgery.

1216
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 1: Oh Jesus Christ. Well, okay, we've done all we could

1217
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:01,559
Speaker 1: with materialists. I suppose it's time to move on.

1218
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:15,599
Speaker 2: Time to move on, all right. So a few weeks

1219
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 2: ago we did a film regrets segment which was very popular,

1220
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 2: huge numbers, and we got a few people writing in

1221
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:26,600
Speaker 2: about their own film regrets, and I thought it'd be

1222
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:30,240
Speaker 2: fun to kind of read some of these just and

1223
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 2: if you have any new film regrets, Millie hop In, Okay,

1224
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 2: I will film regrets, Hi Millian Casey, ooh, film regrets.

1225
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:41,440
Speaker 2: When you started talking about film regrets, my mind immediately

1226
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 2: turned to Harmony Kreen. But then you, of course beat

1227
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 2: me to the punch. Honestly, I hope everyone who came

1228
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:48,559
Speaker 2: up watching films in the nineties has some regret about

1229
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:51,200
Speaker 2: Harmony Creen. Here's a brief synopsis of my own story

1230
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:53,679
Speaker 2: for your entertainment. I saw Gomo on a first date

1231
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:55,680
Speaker 2: with a guy I had a huge crush on. It

1232
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 2: was uncomfortable and terrible, but after it was all over,

1233
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 2: he still wanted to continue to date, which I took

1234
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 2: is a good sign, like he'd passed some kind of test.

1235
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:06,320
Speaker 2: He was cool. He liked Harmony Kreen. Of course, looking back,

1236
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:08,839
Speaker 2: his belief that a Harmony Kreen movie was appropriate fodder

1237
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 2: for a first date should have raised a million red flags.

1238
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 2: The relationship, short lived, thankfully, turned out to be as

1239
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:17,760
Speaker 2: unsavory as the movie. Anyways, Thanks for the show. I

1240
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 2: love listening, Elizabeth. So that's sort of in reaction to

1241
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 2: a conversation.

1242
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:24,839
Speaker 1: Thanks for writing.

1243
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:28,200
Speaker 2: Have you ever been on any dates that were like, WHOA,

1244
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:29,759
Speaker 2: this isn't a good first date movie?

1245
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 1: Hmmm, I don't think so. Anytime I've watched something problematic.

1246
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:39,519
Speaker 1: I go by myself because I just know I'm like,

1247
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:43,360
Speaker 1: if I brought somebody to come see Wake and Fright

1248
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 1: or Cannibal Holocaust, like people would think I'm a horrible person.

1249
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, So I just go and do that on

1250
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:53,719
Speaker 2: my own. We can. Fright's not a good first date movie.

1251
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 2: There's too much kangaroo murder in that. Listen.

1252
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 1: I felt like a bad person with a trench coat

1253
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:01,720
Speaker 1: when I did that a lot. That was on Valentine's

1254
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 1: Day too. I watched it on Valentine's Day. Jesus, what

1255
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:04,919
Speaker 1: a psycho.

1256
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 2: Okay, I saw Steve Jobs, the Danny Boyle Michael Fastpender

1257
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:13,639
Speaker 2: movie on the first date with my wife.

1258
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:16,800
Speaker 1: We ended up married, and then Steve Job you had

1259
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 1: a Steve Jobs themed wedding and uh huh.

1260
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 2: We all wore black turtlenecks and little glasses and tucked

1261
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 2: our black turtlenecks into jeans and we all looked beautiful.

1262
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:31,080
Speaker 1: Now that's a wedding I'd crash, So.

1263
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 2: Hide your movies. The first three movies I regret upon

1264
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:39,840
Speaker 2: a second watch would be the following number one, Garden State.

1265
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 2: I should direct you to one of our early episodes

1266
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 2: about Garden State cases. Uh, I'm just gonna read the

1267
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 2: movies that they said. They have a little bit of

1268
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 2: an explanation, but I'm just gonna read the movies that

1269
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 2: they sent in. So number one was Garden State. Number

1270
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 2: two was five Hundred Days of Summer. These are kind

1271
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:01,720
Speaker 2: of similar, Hurt. I think that you would like as

1272
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:05,839
Speaker 2: they're kind of sincere movies, and I could see how

1273
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 2: that you got turned off by those overtime number three

1274
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 2: True Romance. Ah, I'll just read what they have to

1275
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 2: say about this. I remember finding this so darling and

1276
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:18,599
Speaker 2: refreshing and how bold it was. I remember thinking there

1277
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:22,000
Speaker 2: was so much nuance and cleverness with Dennis Hoppersin dropping

1278
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 2: N bombs left and right to Christopher Walkin. Upon watching

1279
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:29,479
Speaker 2: it again, yikes, it just feels like another moment where

1280
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:31,840
Speaker 2: Quentin Tarantino wants to say the N word many many

1281
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:38,400
Speaker 2: times over. Did not age well. Many thanks, Katie, Thank you, Katie.

1282
01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 1: Katie, thank you for those film regrets.

1283
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:44,680
Speaker 2: Okay, and then here's a voicemail that I'll play for

1284
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:45,799
Speaker 2: you for the last one.

1285
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:49,920
Speaker 6: Hi, Millian Casey. I was inspired to send this voicemail

1286
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:54,800
Speaker 6: based on your film regrets section. I loved the movie

1287
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:57,720
Speaker 6: Forrest comp growing up. But when I was listening to

1288
01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:00,639
Speaker 6: an episode of I saw what you did. I think

1289
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:04,559
Speaker 6: you talked about Forrest Gump being an unreliable narrator, and

1290
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:06,719
Speaker 6: that shook me to my core and made me question

1291
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:11,800
Speaker 6: my entire existence, essentially because I was so moved by

1292
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 6: Tom Hanks's performance as a nine year old that I

1293
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 6: wrote him a letter. And I don't actually know if

1294
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:19,920
Speaker 6: my mom ever sent it or if she kept it,

1295
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 6: but I did do that, and that led me to

1296
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 6: a question, which is what performances really.

1297
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:28,559
Speaker 5: Moved you as a child. I'd love to hear that.

1298
01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 5: So thanks And that was from Kate. Thank you so

1299
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 5: much for sending in that voicemail Millie rocking people's worlds

1300
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:37,320
Speaker 5: about Forrest Gump.

1301
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:40,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually that is a little I mean when

1302
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:43,760
Speaker 1: I said it, I feel like I'm the one that

1303
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:48,680
Speaker 1: called him an unreliable narrator, didn't I.

1304
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 2: I can't remember exactly how that conversation.

1305
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:52,160
Speaker 1: I can't remember either. Well, yeah, and when you when

1306
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 1: you find that out, you're like, huh, what, so you're

1307
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:57,760
Speaker 1: telling me that he did not go to Vietnam and

1308
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:02,160
Speaker 1: he did not create it. Extremely cessful shrimp company, and

1309
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:06,720
Speaker 1: he wasn't a ping pong champion, and he didn't run

1310
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 1: across the country and create the shit Happensticker.

1311
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 2: I kinda I disagreed with this thesis. I think I

1312
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 2: don't think of him as an unreliable narrator. I think

1313
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:20,360
Speaker 2: all that stuff happened in the world of that movie.

1314
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:25,520
Speaker 1: I try, well, that's where you and I finally disagree. Finally,

1315
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:30,400
Speaker 1: So to answer the second part of this question, what were.

1316
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:33,759
Speaker 2: Some performances that moved you when you were a child.

1317
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 1: When I was a child, like, everything moved me.

1318
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:37,760
Speaker 2: That's the thing.

1319
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:38,160
Speaker 3: Is it like?

1320
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:38,439
Speaker 2: Oh?

1321
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:40,800
Speaker 1: It only took me, being an older person, to being like,

1322
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:43,640
Speaker 1: oh is it good? Or was I horny? I mean

1323
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 1: as the question, yeah, I mean shit. I fucking loved

1324
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 1: Patrick Swayzee in every movie and Ghost and in Dirty Dancing.

1325
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:57,280
Speaker 1: I was like, it moved beside myself. I cried when

1326
01:15:57,320 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 1: dB Sweeney confesses love to Moira Kelly in The Cutting Edge.

1327
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 1: I cried when Kevin from Home Alone was in the

1328
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 1: church with the old man Marley. So all these moments

1329
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:18,920
Speaker 1: I've cried, I've cried. I cried the entire time through

1330
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:21,640
Speaker 1: this movie called The Boy Who Could Fly, which I

1331
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:24,120
Speaker 1: think was like maybe a Disney movie with Fred Savage

1332
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:30,240
Speaker 1: about the autistic boy who's the neighbor of this like family.

1333
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:33,800
Speaker 1: I think Bonnie Badelia was the mom. I don't know,

1334
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 1: It's like I cried throughout that entire movie. That performance.

1335
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:40,640
Speaker 1: I thought Christian Slater and Untamed Heart was should have

1336
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:43,680
Speaker 1: go on an oscar when I was twelve. Okay, that

1337
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 1: was a.

1338
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:46,920
Speaker 2: Big narrative for me as a child, being like I

1339
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:54,040
Speaker 2: truly don't understand why Space Jam wouldn't get nominated for

1340
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 2: Best Picture, Like I don't understand, like as a child.

1341
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:06,680
Speaker 1: It only it would only get nobodyd for like a

1342
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:10,080
Speaker 1: technical oscar and they don't even show it. They do

1343
01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 1: that ceremony on like Thursday mornings.

1344
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:17,640
Speaker 2: I remember going to the movie theater with my grandparents,

1345
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 2: who would see everything. They would see every movie, and

1346
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 2: I remember frequently I would be like that movie was awesome,

1347
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 2: and they'd be like, that's stunk. I remember seeing The

1348
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:36,760
Speaker 2: Phantom with Billy Zane, yeah, and I was like, you know,

1349
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 2: I was eight years old, and I was like loved it.

1350
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:43,120
Speaker 2: I was on the edge of my seat and I

1351
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:46,160
Speaker 2: was like dancing out of the movie. Theater and my

1352
01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:49,599
Speaker 2: grandparents are lying that was a waste of ten bucks.

1353
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:53,439
Speaker 2: I wish I could have that afternoon back. That's stunk,

1354
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:54,760
Speaker 2: and I'd be like, what.

1355
01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:58,200
Speaker 1: Kevin's parents or.

1356
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:07,800
Speaker 2: Hear my mom h Vernon Lois. I love them, I

1357
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 2: did love them. But my grandma especially was very vocal

1358
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:13,120
Speaker 2: about movies she thought were bad. So I thought that

1359
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:16,120
Speaker 2: was that. I look back on it, I love that.

1360
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:20,760
Speaker 1: I swear my parents loved every single movie that they

1361
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:23,000
Speaker 1: came across. So I have no idea what that would

1362
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:24,479
Speaker 1: be like to come out of a movie and be

1363
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 1: like that was a piece of shit.

1364
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:36,040
Speaker 2: Holy lord, moving performances that moved me. I can't even

1365
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:39,800
Speaker 2: really as a kid, I was a kid as a kid, yeah,

1366
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:41,840
Speaker 2: I know. But that's the thing. It's tough because I

1367
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:47,680
Speaker 2: don't really feel like I noticed movie performances in the

1368
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 2: same way I do now, you know. I think I

1369
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:54,639
Speaker 2: would say. The one thing that comes to mind is

1370
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 2: in The Never Ending Story, when a tray U's horse

1371
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:04,200
Speaker 2: like get stuck in the mud and dies. I remember

1372
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:07,759
Speaker 2: thinking the kid was really I was like, I really

1373
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:11,559
Speaker 2: felt for a trade, yeah, and was really impressed by

1374
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:14,880
Speaker 2: them in that movie. Yeah, that's the only thing I

1375
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:18,000
Speaker 2: can really, I can't think. I mean McCauley Culkin was

1376
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:20,760
Speaker 2: my favorite actor. I remember thinking that, like, he's my

1377
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:21,439
Speaker 2: favorite actor.

1378
01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:25,280
Speaker 1: So you but you had seen him in other things

1379
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:27,560
Speaker 1: other than the Home Alone series by that point.

1380
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. I mean I've just seen him.

1381
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:35,960
Speaker 2: I'd seen him in Home Alone one and Homo Alone two?

1382
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:38,679
Speaker 2: What more was there to see? And then I remember

1383
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:40,800
Speaker 2: when The good Son came out. I was like, Mom,

1384
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 2: can I see that? And she was like, no, you cannot.

1385
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 2: I was like, what, She's like, that's rated R. I

1386
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:49,040
Speaker 2: was like, how could McCauley do me like that? Being

1387
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 2: an R rated movie?

1388
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:52,679
Speaker 1: That's that was the kind I mean we talked about

1389
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:58,439
Speaker 1: like dark kid turns in the Showgirls episode that was

1390
01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:00,719
Speaker 1: his little dark turn, right.

1391
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:04,880
Speaker 2: He's not He's not the good so he's a bad one.

1392
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 2: He's a bad boy in that one. Anyways, that's any

1393
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:10,599
Speaker 2: other film regrets you got Millie before.

1394
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:12,840
Speaker 1: We of course, I have film regrets every day in

1395
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:16,080
Speaker 1: my life, so I could name all of them. I mean,

1396
01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 1: I can't believe how many fucking BTS documentaries I've watched

1397
01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:21,520
Speaker 1: that should be a film regret.

1398
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:22,639
Speaker 2: I mean, are you kidding?

1399
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:26,600
Speaker 1: Me, I've seen like four or five How is that

1400
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:27,440
Speaker 1: even possible?

1401
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 2: Four or five?

1402
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:32,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen like four or five BTS documentaries.

1403
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:35,880
Speaker 2: Casey, Like you know, I feel like you're you're kind

1404
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:41,519
Speaker 2: of cooking the books on your letterboxed diary there, because

1405
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:44,040
Speaker 2: I don't those have not been brought up in the

1406
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:46,040
Speaker 2: in our diary sections.

1407
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:50,320
Speaker 1: I watched them pre this podcast. Okay, but if you

1408
01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 1: go deep enough, you'll see him. You'll see junk Cook.

1409
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:59,519
Speaker 1: I am still junk Cook Colon, I am still. I mean,

1410
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:03,040
Speaker 1: I've never heard of a band making so many documentaries.

1411
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:04,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess there's like seven of them. They've

1412
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:07,160
Speaker 1: been around for over a decade. I guess you'd get

1413
01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:09,920
Speaker 1: a couple. But I feel like they've got a lot

1414
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:13,000
Speaker 1: a lot of documentaries about them, So I don't know.

1415
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:14,720
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of them, and I'm like, that's

1416
01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:17,600
Speaker 1: how that's a film regret. I suppose.

1417
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:19,439
Speaker 2: Would you call it?

1418
01:21:19,479 --> 01:21:21,360
Speaker 1: Now, let me ask you this, this is a hard question.

1419
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:23,240
Speaker 1: Would you call Materialists a film regret?

1420
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:23,360
Speaker 3: No?

1421
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:25,559
Speaker 2: I would not. I would not say that. Even though

1422
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 2: I reviewed it negatively, I'm glad I saw it. I

1423
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:34,360
Speaker 2: love movies like this that are trying to like Broadcast

1424
01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:41,240
Speaker 2: News is a movie I hold so dear and that

1425
01:21:41,240 --> 01:21:45,479
Speaker 2: that threads the needle of drama and romantic comedy that

1426
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:48,479
Speaker 2: I think this movie was attempting to do the same. Sure,

1427
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:53,599
Speaker 2: and I love The Apartment, which also threads that needle. Well, yes,

1428
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:56,400
Speaker 2: but it's a difficult thing to do, and there aren't

1429
01:21:56,479 --> 01:21:59,719
Speaker 2: many movies in that kind of genre that I felt

1430
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:03,960
Speaker 2: like Materialists was trying to be a part of. But yeah,

1431
01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:07,519
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, yeah, I don't know. Ask me again

1432
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 2: in twenty years when you're still doing this podcast.

1433
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're still like in the basement being five eight

1434
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:17,360
Speaker 1: and five four, respectively.

1435
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:20,160
Speaker 2: Say I'm five to seven and a half.

1436
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I'm giving you the extra Okay, I'm

1437
01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 1: your friend. Well listen, I'm loving the film regrets, so

1438
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:28,080
Speaker 1: keep sending.

1439
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:28,280
Speaker 2: Them to us.

1440
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:31,559
Speaker 1: This is so so fun, love it, Millie.

1441
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:35,120
Speaker 2: Moving on to our employees Picks, which is our film

1442
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:38,200
Speaker 2: recommendations based on the theme of the discussion. Do you

1443
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:40,759
Speaker 2: have a recommendation for us today?

1444
01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:44,000
Speaker 1: I actually do, And I know we're going to have

1445
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:47,400
Speaker 1: to go down one of the little tributaries this week,

1446
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:52,240
Speaker 1: because you know, we talked about Celine Song who directed Materialists,

1447
01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:56,559
Speaker 1: in Past lives we talked about those ad nauseum. So

1448
01:22:57,680 --> 01:23:01,479
Speaker 1: I'm actually one of the things that is was really

1449
01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:03,840
Speaker 1: interesting to me is what I was watching Materialists, and

1450
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 1: I saw the production credits at the beginning of the film.

1451
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:10,120
Speaker 1: I realized that it was produced by Killer Films, which

1452
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:14,200
Speaker 1: is a production company that's co owned by Christine Vashan,

1453
01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 1: who was a very very famous producer, was extremely important

1454
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:23,599
Speaker 1: to like the nineties independent cinema movement. She in fact

1455
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:29,679
Speaker 1: produced Go Fish, which I talked about in my film diary.

1456
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:32,439
Speaker 1: But she did everything. I mean, she did all the

1457
01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:35,000
Speaker 1: Todd Haynes movies. That's how she kind of got her start.

1458
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:40,439
Speaker 1: Kids Happiness, Velvet, gold Mine, Boys Don't Cry, There's a

1459
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:45,920
Speaker 1: ton Headwig. But one of my favorites from her production

1460
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 1: company is a movie called I Shot Andy Warhol from

1461
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:51,120
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six.

1462
01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:55,599
Speaker 2: And we just mentioned Gwen of Your Turner earlier, who

1463
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:58,880
Speaker 2: co wrote American Psycho with Mary Herren.

1464
01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:02,640
Speaker 1: Who directed I Shot a New Warhol. So yeah, this was.

1465
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:07,160
Speaker 1: This was the movie where Lily Taylor plays Valerie Solanis,

1466
01:24:07,240 --> 01:24:17,520
Speaker 1: who was a really important in my world feminist, lesbian

1467
01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:28,080
Speaker 1: activist poet sort of was adjacent to the Warhol universe,

1468
01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 1: which is why she shot Andy Warhol at some point.

1469
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:35,360
Speaker 1: But Lily Taylor is incredible in this movie. I actually

1470
01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:39,719
Speaker 1: think Jared Harris, the actor Jared Harris, plays Andy Warhol,

1471
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:42,639
Speaker 1: and he's probably the best Andy Warhol I've ever seen.

1472
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:44,760
Speaker 2: I love Jared Harris. I feel like he doesn't get

1473
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:46,480
Speaker 2: the respect he deserves.

1474
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:50,759
Speaker 1: Oh, I love him too, so so much. Stephen Dorf

1475
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:53,000
Speaker 1: plays Candy Darling, which I think was a big thing

1476
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:55,160
Speaker 1: at the time. Like I remember people saying that that

1477
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:58,240
Speaker 1: was a notable thing anyway, So if you haven't seen it,

1478
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:00,760
Speaker 1: you should watch it. That's my employee pick.

1479
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:08,280
Speaker 2: Fabulous. Fabulous. So I was sort of thinking about New

1480
01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:18,960
Speaker 2: York dating conversations, penthouses, and I kept thinking about class.

1481
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:21,960
Speaker 1: And I think I know where we're going with this

1482
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:23,080
Speaker 1: to you.

1483
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:27,360
Speaker 2: I was thinking about Wit Stillman's Metropolitan.

1484
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:30,719
Speaker 1: That's exactly what I thought you were gonna say. Really good.

1485
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:34,679
Speaker 2: I'm sure this is one of my all time favorite

1486
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:38,400
Speaker 2: movies from nineteen ninety. It's wit Stillman's first movie. I

1487
01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:42,200
Speaker 2: think he like sold his apartment or something to get

1488
01:25:42,200 --> 01:25:44,360
Speaker 2: the money for this, or I don't, he like raised

1489
01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:48,200
Speaker 2: the money himself. And it basically takes place in like

1490
01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:53,160
Speaker 2: I don't know, a few people's apartments and it's a

1491
01:25:53,240 --> 01:25:56,919
Speaker 2: it's an incredible movie about a bunch of young, wealthy

1492
01:25:57,080 --> 01:26:00,479
Speaker 2: socialites during the debutante season in Manhattan, which I didn't

1493
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:04,639
Speaker 2: even know was a thing. And I don't know, it's

1494
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:08,040
Speaker 2: just it's such a fabulous movie. And it is kind

1495
01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:12,479
Speaker 2: of talking about people's statuses and like what they bring

1496
01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:18,120
Speaker 2: to the party and like how much someone is kind

1497
01:26:18,160 --> 01:26:22,680
Speaker 2: of worth socially, And I don't know, it's just it's

1498
01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 2: one of my all time favorites and it's so funny,

1499
01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:28,000
Speaker 2: and I feel like it's so influential, and I feel like,

1500
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:31,800
Speaker 2: Noah bomb Bok wouldn't be here if it weren't for

1501
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:34,920
Speaker 2: Wit Stillman. And yeah, I think it's just great, such

1502
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:36,120
Speaker 2: a great movie.

1503
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:40,679
Speaker 1: Hey, that's a good one. Thank you, good job employee.

1504
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:43,680
Speaker 2: Thank you fellow coworker.

1505
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:48,040
Speaker 1: All Right, well, I guess that's the end of our sode.

1506
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:50,000
Speaker 2: That's the end of our sued.

1507
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:54,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. I wonder if you have if anybody out there

1508
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:57,040
Speaker 1: is listening and you want to talk about any of

1509
01:26:57,040 --> 01:26:59,040
Speaker 1: the stuff that we talked about with us, because you

1510
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:04,479
Speaker 1: can email us at Dearmovies at exactlyrightmedia dot com. We

1511
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:07,760
Speaker 1: love film advice. If you need it, we have it.

1512
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:10,519
Speaker 1: If you have a film grape, if you have a

1513
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 1: film regret, please send it our way, same email address. Also,

1514
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:20,680
Speaker 1: if you want, like our last person who wrote in,

1515
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:24,240
Speaker 1: leave a voicemail, just record it on your phone. Make

1516
01:27:24,280 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 1: sure it's under a minute long and email it too.

1517
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:30,320
Speaker 1: Dear Movies at exactlyrightmedia dot com fabulous.

1518
01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:32,800
Speaker 2: You can also follow us on our socials at Deer

1519
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:37,680
Speaker 2: Movies I Love You on Instagram and Facebook. Our letterbox

1520
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:41,800
Speaker 2: handles are at Katy leo'brien and at md'chericho. And you

1521
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:43,960
Speaker 2: can listen to Dear Movies, I Love You on the

1522
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:48,040
Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

1523
01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:52,040
Speaker 2: And hey, rate and review our show. It helps makes

1524
01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:52,880
Speaker 2: us look cool.

1525
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:57,120
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you so much. All right, So Casey,

1526
01:27:57,439 --> 01:28:00,120
Speaker 1: what are we doing next week?

1527
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:06,479
Speaker 2: We're doing Jackass number two from two thousand and six.

1528
01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:08,639
Speaker 2: Many people are saying, and I'm one of them, that

1529
01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:14,160
Speaker 2: it's the best Jackass movie and uh oh, I'm excited

1530
01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:17,600
Speaker 2: to talk about this. I'm passionate, passionate about Jackass.

1531
01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:21,519
Speaker 1: You know, for like two notes of your little tribute

1532
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:23,519
Speaker 1: your Little minute Man tribute. I totally thought you were

1533
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:28,160
Speaker 1: gonna do the Deliverance theme song banding ding ding ding.

1534
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:32,840
Speaker 2: You know, I played the banjo for a while. I

1535
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:35,880
Speaker 2: took banjo lessons for like three years. That's pretty good.

1536
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:42,920
Speaker 2: That tracks actually one in a long time. But I

1537
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:49,599
Speaker 2: took lessons at the Homestead pick and Parlor. Anyways, that's

1538
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:50,439
Speaker 2: neither here nor there.

1539
01:28:51,439 --> 01:28:54,840
Speaker 1: Well, that's a fascinating bit of trivia to just tuck

1540
01:28:54,880 --> 01:29:00,280
Speaker 1: into the end of an episode. Casey, well, Casey see,

1541
01:29:00,280 --> 01:29:05,799
Speaker 1: great job today wrapping your feelings around a complicated film.

1542
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:09,680
Speaker 2: Thank you, Milly for coming up with the concept of

1543
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 2: this episode and being like, stop the presses, we need

1544
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:15,160
Speaker 2: to talk about this movie. And I think it was

1545
01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:17,240
Speaker 2: a great idea and a great episode.

1546
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:20,200
Speaker 1: Well, and I'm glad that you got your leg lengthening

1547
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:23,240
Speaker 1: reverse because I like you. I like you just the

1548
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:23,800
Speaker 1: way you are.

1549
01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:27,040
Speaker 2: Okay, Thanks Milly. I appreciate that you need to hear that.

1550
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:31,280
Speaker 1: Sometimes you could make more money though I'm.

1551
01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:35,840
Speaker 2: Missing yeah, I know, don't remind me.

1552
01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:43,599
Speaker 1: Bye everyone, Bye. This has been an exactly right production

1553
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:47,320
Speaker 1: hosted by me Milly to Cherco and produced by my

1554
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:48,880
Speaker 1: co host Casey O'Brien.

1555
01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:52,839
Speaker 2: This episode was mixed by Tom Bryfogel. Our associate producer

1556
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:56,280
Speaker 2: is Christina Chamberlain, our guest booker is Patrick Cottner, and

1557
01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:58,200
Speaker 2: our artwork is by Vanessa ilac.

1558
01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:01,240
Speaker 1: Our incredible theme music is by the best man in

1559
01:30:01,280 --> 01:30:03,200
Speaker 1: the entire world, The Softies.

1560
01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:07,360
Speaker 2: Thank you to our executive producers Karen Kilgarriff, Georgia Hardstark,

1561
01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:08,960
Speaker 2: Daniel Kramer and Millie.

1562
01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:13,200
Speaker 1: To Jericho, we love you, Goodbye, Beca