Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to What Future.
Speaker 2: I'm your host, Josh Wazapolski, and today I got to
Speaker 2: say we've got a banger of an episode. I'm very
Speaker 2: excited about it. In fact, it's such a great conversation
Speaker 2: that I don't even want to waste time telling you
Speaker 2: about how great it's going to be. I don't want
Speaker 2: to sit here and ramble, because you should just listen
Speaker 2: to it.
Speaker 1: You should just hear it.
Speaker 2: I had the rare and wonderful opportunity to talk to
Speaker 2: the actor, comedian, writer Nicholas Rutherford Nick Rutherford if you
Speaker 2: want to, If you want to go by his more
Speaker 2: casual name, he's an executive producer. I'm Rick and Morty
Speaker 2: and a super smart, funny guy. And we had a
Speaker 2: killer conversation and I want to get right into it,
Speaker 2: So let's go Rutherford. Am I saying that right? Your
Speaker 2: name is pronounced Rutherford Nick Rutherford Topolski is correct. According
Speaker 2: to your Wikipedia page, which you have, you're an actor,
Speaker 2: a comedian, a writer, and a co founder of the
Speaker 2: Sketch comedy group Good neighbor.
Speaker 1: But are you a Patriot? That's what I'd like to know.
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, I think I'm the best type of
Speaker 3: patriot at patriot who holds his country's feet to the fire. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, patriot who asked the questions that a lot
Speaker 3: of patriots don't like. For instance, Yeah, for instance, what
Speaker 3: is arbor Day?
Speaker 1: Yeah? What is arbor Day?
Speaker 2: I think that's a solebration of trees, right, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: I assume so. But I mean arbor is like, are like,
Speaker 2: that's a tree thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think if you're like an arbor rist, you're
Speaker 3: a tree scientist.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's look at them. What is arbor Day?
Speaker 3: So it's tree Day? So isn't it's an Earth Day,
Speaker 3: doesn't covered trees.
Speaker 2: It's a secular day of observance which individuals and groups
Speaker 2: are encouraged to plant trees.
Speaker 1: Is it a national holiday? Might be? Yeah, it's national
Speaker 1: arbor Day.
Speaker 3: It's not a government holiday. We don't get work offs
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 1: They don't give you off for it.
Speaker 2: They don't give you don't give you a day off
Speaker 2: to plant a tree. That would be That's the kind
Speaker 2: of thing that Republicans talk about as like the end
Speaker 2: state of liberals. Of what liberals want is they're going
Speaker 2: to stop you from working so you can go out
Speaker 2: and plant a tree. That's like a that's like a
Speaker 2: conservative nightmare scenario.
Speaker 3: You know, you don't get worse worst case the.
Speaker 2: Worst scenarios you have to like forced to take off
Speaker 2: work and go plant a tree by you know, liberals anyhow. Yeah, Also,
Speaker 2: we don't have to talk about politics. I don't even
Speaker 2: know how. I guess because I asked you you're if
Speaker 2: you're a patriot. That was a huge miss Yeah, huge
Speaker 2: missed up on my part. But now you led it
Speaker 2: there pretty quickly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did.
Speaker 2: That's my fucking that's my fault. Are you a very
Speaker 2: political person? Do you feel politically minded?
Speaker 1: Totally motivated?
Speaker 3: I think as I get a bit older, I get
Speaker 3: a little more politically involved. I like to be politically
Speaker 3: involved on a local level. I think that's kind of
Speaker 3: what's missing, like in your house. Yeah, those neighborhood councils, right.
Speaker 2: Are you on aunt? Are you on a city council
Speaker 2: or somebody honest neighborhood?
Speaker 3: Oh no, but I thought I wanted to be. I
Speaker 3: wanted to get on my neighborhood council. And then I
Speaker 3: pitched that idea to somebody a friend, and they were like, absolutely,
Speaker 3: do not do that. It'll just it's it's still suck
Speaker 3: your life away, which is a bummer. You know that
Speaker 3: those jobs should be those positions should be fun desirable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, no, for sure.
Speaker 2: Uh like local getting involved in local government or local
Speaker 2: like neighborhood sort of stuff is for a certain type
Speaker 2: of individual, which is why you you end up with
Speaker 2: a lot of really old people doing it, because it
Speaker 2: is a huge time sock, I believe, And it's kind
Speaker 2: of like the work is not very rewarding in a
Speaker 2: lot of ways, and I don't think they even pay
Speaker 2: or they pay very little. Yeah, my wife opened a
Speaker 2: bookstore in our town, and I mean I helped a
Speaker 2: little bit, but.
Speaker 1: It's really hers.
Speaker 3: And what did you do?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 2: I built the shelves and I picked the wallpaper. And
Speaker 2: she's become like a member of whatever the business you know, the.
Speaker 3: Business alliance. Yeah, yeah, you know she has to go
Speaker 3: to meeting this Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't sound fun, I guess, but she enjoys
Speaker 2: it because she likes she likes tedious shit, which is
Speaker 2: why we're married. And she's and she's elderly, she's she's
Speaker 2: also eighty five years old, and so that's really helpful,
Speaker 2: right for her she got a blody of time and
Speaker 2: nowhere to go.
Speaker 1: Okay, So so you have an Emmy, is that right? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do.
Speaker 1: You worked on Rick and Morty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I'm currently working on Rick and Morty. I
Speaker 3: mean not currently because we're on strike.
Speaker 1: Oh right, well ha I.
Speaker 2: We're going to get to the strike because there's a
Speaker 2: lot of talk about there. But first I want to
Speaker 2: I want to explore your your Emmy wins. How many
Speaker 2: Emmys do you have?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 3: Now one and I have what I won one and
Speaker 3: I've lost one Emmy and I'm up for not me.
Speaker 3: The show's up for an Emmy, but I'm included in
Speaker 3: the ship one. I mean I got one. Yeah, as
Speaker 3: a as a as a producer. So I'm an EP.
Speaker 3: I'm executive producer on Rick and Morty. Now at the time,
Speaker 3: I was some lower producer, but I still made the cut, you.
Speaker 1: Know, executive producer. That's pretty big deal.
Speaker 3: That's a big that is uh, it's one of the
Speaker 3: big ones. And let me tell you it's it's just
Speaker 3: it's all it's all in a name.
Speaker 1: You don't actually do anything.
Speaker 3: No, no, I don't do anything. Yeah, no, no, you know,
Speaker 3: I watched cuts and we look at edits and I've
Speaker 3: written songs. You're a song producer. Now I'm a song producer.
Speaker 1: Are you really?
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. That's great because I like to put songs
Speaker 3: in my episodes and then I get it and like
Speaker 3: write him with the Ryan Elder, who's our composer. He
Speaker 3: does really all the hard musical lifting, and I just
Speaker 3: write silly lyrics and the melodies.
Speaker 2: Right, that's the best. That's that's like, uh, that's led
Speaker 2: Zeppelin right there. It's like John Paul Jones was, I
Speaker 2: mean all the hard work, like you know, Jimmy Page
Speaker 2: is right in the riffs. And then Robert Plant was
Speaker 2: just like, I'm gonna write about Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 2: Is that cool? Like I'm gonna do a song about
Speaker 2: Lord of the Rings. I don't know if you know
Speaker 2: much about led zeppam they have several songs about Lord
Speaker 2: of the Rings.
Speaker 3: Uh oh yeah, because like Lord of the Rings was
Speaker 3: kind of big for like metal, like rock and roll,
Speaker 3: right extra they were mystical guys.
Speaker 2: I mean he you know Robert Plant, he talks about
Speaker 2: Golam in one of the uh and Gollum or whatever
Speaker 2: the guy's name is from Gollum. He references him by
Speaker 2: name and at least one song if not uh, and
Speaker 2: he talks about Mordor like specifically. It's actually really funny
Speaker 2: when you think about it, like, uh, like you would
Speaker 2: hear a song on the radio these days that just
Speaker 2: like specifically talking about.
Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings, like characters and Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 3: It's like a band today, did it did a song
Speaker 3: about like the Rings of Power on amzok? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Right, there's no history of this yet. When you think
Speaker 2: about led Zeppan though, they were like so sexy. People
Speaker 2: were like these fuck, I'll fuck these guys no matter what,
Speaker 2: Like how do I get to them? I want to
Speaker 2: have sex with Robert Planting And meanwhile he's like on
Speaker 2: stage literally fucking singing about the biggest nerd shit that
Speaker 2: it's the hugest turn off for most people, like literally
Speaker 2: name checking characters from the Lord of the Rings. But
Speaker 2: it's like it's it's a weird it's a weird it
Speaker 2: was weird time in the world.
Speaker 3: That was a time too in nerdship was nerd shit
Speaker 3: like nerd yeah, feet up, no.
Speaker 2: No, no, this was like in the seventies, like like
Speaker 2: Lord of the Rings was not cool in the seventies,
Speaker 2: like like, I mean, I'm not even sure it's cool now, Like,
Speaker 2: to be honest.
Speaker 3: With you, it's just like it's become popular enough. But yeah,
Speaker 3: very strange.
Speaker 2: Anyhow, Uh so we were talking at the fuck were we?
Speaker 2: Oh your Emmys? Okay, so we're talking about you writing
Speaker 2: songs in order to get Emmys.
Speaker 1: Uh. You don't get Emmys for songwriting though, do you?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: But I want to That did great, they get a Grammy.
Speaker 3: But so when Ricky Marty won one year, it was
Speaker 3: a zoom Emmys. It was like the pandemic Emmys.
Speaker 1: Oh that sucks. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, it's I mean, congratulations but no. But
Speaker 3: yeah it's also great, right.
Speaker 1: I mean you still got the Emmys.
Speaker 3: Okay, yemmy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It to my house months later and I had to
Speaker 3: watch it on a laptop screen. But the day of
Speaker 3: the Emmys, I was actually recording a podcast with my
Speaker 3: friend Nick Turner. Oh my god, who was like, well,
Speaker 3: all we're going to do is we're going to go
Speaker 3: metal detecting at the beach and I was like that
Speaker 3: should be fine. We should be done by the time
Speaker 3: the Emmys start. And we were metal detecting and I
Speaker 3: texted one of the other producers like, hey, so, what
Speaker 3: time do the Emmys start, and like when are we up?
Speaker 3: And he wrote back, I was probably wearing a tank
Speaker 3: top in short and I'm like a, you know, like
Speaker 3: a panama hat and I was metal detecting and Santa Monica.
Speaker 3: And he replies immediately they started right now, and we're
Speaker 3: the first one up, like we're the very first award.
Speaker 3: And so I told Nick and Nick I was like, guys,
Speaker 3: I am sorry, we have to I have to go
Speaker 3: to their credit. They were like, oh Jesus, of course absolutely.
Speaker 3: And then we all piled in the car and zipped
Speaker 3: across town and somehow found like a live stream of
Speaker 3: the Emmys on one of our phones. And when we
Speaker 3: pulled it up, the first thing we saw was Dan Harmon,
Speaker 3: one of the creators of Rick and Morty, was giving
Speaker 3: his pre recorded acceptance speech. Oh, and we were like,
Speaker 3: I think we won. Maybe we won, or I was like,
Speaker 3: we don't know. Maybe they also show the losers pre
Speaker 3: recorded acceptance speeches because it's the pandemic really cruel.
Speaker 2: Actually, like we got to fill time, like just everybody record.
Speaker 2: We don't know who's gonna win. Everybody record up. We
Speaker 2: need speech though, and then we'll just show them all.
Speaker 3: Well that's I mean, they somebody has access to all
Speaker 3: of these videos. Everybody had to record a speech Academy.
Speaker 1: They couldn't cut. They couldn't cut live to to Dan
Speaker 1: like speaking.
Speaker 3: That would have been way more fun. It was pre recorded. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was probably a live host, but you know, I
Speaker 3: mean it was, but anyway, it was not. It wasn't
Speaker 3: as glamorous of an event as you would hope.
Speaker 1: So you haven't won an Emmy in person, that's what
Speaker 1: you're saying.
Speaker 3: I lost an Emmy in person, though, is it not
Speaker 3: the same? Who did you lose to? The animation category
Speaker 3: is odd? So we lost to an hour long Netflix
Speaker 3: anime drama. Oh that is like all cgi and it's
Speaker 3: very pretty, but it's a drama. It's like, how do
Speaker 3: you put like a very nihilistic comedy, half hour comedy
Speaker 3: against an hour long drama.
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: And so this year, so we lost, and we was
Speaker 3: very upsetting. And this year we're also up against Netflix again.
Speaker 3: The Netflix show quote unquote is a full feature length
Speaker 3: animated movie, which is not even a show. I don't know,
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know, I should know.
Speaker 2: A hit or miss over there. You never know, it
Speaker 2: could be one of the bad ones. Maybe you've got
Speaker 2: a good chance. Maybe they maybe they're nominating shit. You know,
Speaker 2: that does seem unfair, Like why put a show against
Speaker 2: the movie?
Speaker 1: First off?
Speaker 2: That feels like I think the animation category is mature
Speaker 2: enough that you could have like subcategories, right, you could
Speaker 2: have like there should be animated comedy, you could have
Speaker 2: animated drama. You could do like, Yeah, I feel like
Speaker 2: movies and shows should not go against each other. I
Speaker 2: think that's like a totally weird I think it's the
Speaker 2: very least you'd separate those out.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't want to be a you know, right,
Speaker 3: it's fun, but you want that I want that Emmy,
Speaker 3: of course. Yeah, what's better than one Emmy? Two Emmys?
Speaker 3: But we're also in the we're in the Creative Arts Emmys, oh,
Speaker 3: which is like the week before the televised big fun Emmys.
Speaker 2: It's fucking that's so wild, Like they're not even like
Speaker 2: that you guys get to be part of like the
Speaker 2: regular Emmys.
Speaker 1: You guys are like a special effect. Is that the
Speaker 1: idea you're like sound design, that's.
Speaker 3: Exactly right, it's exactly right. We're like sound engineers and stuff,
Speaker 3: and all these are critical jobs. I'm not poopoing these.
Speaker 2: Jobs, no, but it's just it's just like you're creating
Speaker 2: a TV show as much as anybody else's.
Speaker 1: It just happens to be animated.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, And it's like you know, it's always against
Speaker 3: Simpsons and Bob's Burger. It's all these legacy shows, right,
Speaker 3: and it's it's in between like best Animal Handler.
Speaker 2: Right, in a way, there's an argument, there is an
Speaker 2: argument that should those shows just be in the regular category,
Speaker 2: not even animated, like just the quality of the show.
Speaker 2: Who cares about the format? I mean, who cares about
Speaker 2: whether it's a drawn these people are drawn? Or I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know, that's a tough That would be tough though, right,
Speaker 2: because then you'd be up against like a better call Saul. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm sure, well no, because that's isn't that an hour
Speaker 2: long drama? You wouldn't those aren't all like you don't
Speaker 2: put a sitcom against the drama. Don't they have categories
Speaker 2: for those?
Speaker 1: I know nothing about it.
Speaker 3: Everything I'm talking about the animated categories is there. The
Speaker 3: category is just anything that's drawma. Yeah, well see, I know.
Speaker 3: I guess I have been out of touch with the
Speaker 3: m is.
Speaker 1: I actually think.
Speaker 2: Award shows are should be banned. I think they're bad
Speaker 2: for society. But I'm glad that you won an Emmy.
Speaker 2: I'm very I'm happy for you, But I also think
Speaker 2: that the fundamental idea of the Emmy is bad.
Speaker 3: For weren't they initially went the oscars at least initially
Speaker 3: like a union busting thing.
Speaker 1: That sounds right to me.
Speaker 2: Maybe we should know this right now because we're at
Speaker 2: a critical juncture. I'm sure for you have probably several
Speaker 2: unions that you're striking with right now.
Speaker 3: Right Yeah, I'm striking with sag After and WJA, I'm
Speaker 3: double striking.
Speaker 2: Do you are you all on one picket line or
Speaker 2: do you google across town like to another picket line
Speaker 2: for the like the actors.
Speaker 3: Now, they it's all it's all mixed. It's like a
Speaker 3: big mixer. And it was nice when the acting when
Speaker 3: zag got involved, because they brought a lot of energy
Speaker 3: to the picket line. But they also love the sag
Speaker 3: After a crew really loves doing picket line karaoke. Who
Speaker 3: and I feel like we should be a little more
Speaker 3: stoic out there.
Speaker 1: No, no, nothing. Nobody should be seemingly having fun. It
Speaker 1: should be.
Speaker 3: People should be they've made it a party.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean in a way, I mean, I know
Speaker 2: it is very wrong for whoever cut back those trees
Speaker 2: to not provide shade for people. But in a way,
Speaker 2: I think sweating in the heat with your picket sign
Speaker 2: shows the struggle. You know, it makes the struggle look more.
Speaker 2: But we're willing to will fight. Yeah you don't. I
Speaker 2: actually think you're gonna you lose people. I'm not telling
Speaker 2: anybody how to strike, by the way, as a person
Speaker 2: who's never been on strike, I shouldn't really comment on it,
Speaker 2: but I just feel like you want people to see
Speaker 2: uh suffering. You want people to feel like that there's
Speaker 2: pain being inflicted on you. In a way, yeah, you.
Speaker 3: Want to look like a dust bowl like food line.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would, if anything, I would have to get
Speaker 2: those actors dressing up.
Speaker 1: They probably have costumes laying around. I would assume.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, like they should all be in like nineteen twenties,
Speaker 2: like fucking Woody Guthrie shit like out there.
Speaker 3: Right, like patch elbows on their peers and.
Speaker 2: The fucking thing like their their picket sign should be
Speaker 2: on that whatever those things are that are batable.
Speaker 1: What are they called.
Speaker 3: It's a bindle, the like a little handkerchief filled with
Speaker 3: yeah you're good, yeah for a train jumping.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think I think they're missing opunity all about this
Speaker 2: you toodle podcast, right, I figure. I think I think
Speaker 2: they're missing an opportunity to actually uh engage in their
Speaker 2: craft in a way like, don't go out there and
Speaker 2: sing fucking songs. Go out and pretend to be a
Speaker 2: nineteen twenties striker, you know, cover yourself an oil or
Speaker 2: something and.
Speaker 3: Be like, rather, can't you spare a dime?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yes, you know, I mean it is.
Speaker 2: It is tough because like obviously there's these huge strikes
Speaker 2: going on, and clearly, I mean from my money, and
Speaker 2: I'm not an expert on anything, but seems like the
Speaker 2: studios are in the wrong here on a bunch of
Speaker 2: different levels. And it feels like some of the some
Speaker 2: of the gives that are required would in no way
Speaker 2: damage their actual businesses in any meaningful manner.
Speaker 3: It seems that way, you know, at least infographics.
Speaker 2: I see, I see all that shit, and it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: this would be like less than one percent of their
Speaker 2: total profit to like fix these problems or some shit
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's like nothing.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know writers and actors. That sounds like
Speaker 2: a luxury gig. I think there's a there is a
Speaker 2: thing that happens with the creative arts. Obviously it provides
Speaker 2: a huge amount of things to the rest of society.
Speaker 2: But also, like these are real jobs. Not everybody is
Speaker 2: like Brad Pitt, Like there are people who just have
Speaker 2: like day jobs. They have the bike, like fucking less
Speaker 2: than minimum wage or whatever. Essentially, like if you add
Speaker 2: it all up, like just do not everybody is a
Speaker 2: super huge success, right, Like they're just working.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that the consensus is like, oh, you've
Speaker 3: been on TV once, you're a millionaire. Yeah, and that
Speaker 3: is far far from the truth.
Speaker 2: I mean when I was a kid, I used to
Speaker 2: think if you were on TV, it was like you
Speaker 2: were famous, like you had made it.
Speaker 1: Like if you went on too.
Speaker 3: I think it might have been more like that. Well
Speaker 3: a there was like four shows on TV, four channels,
Speaker 3: four shows, yeah, and they just played constantly. But now
Speaker 3: with the streamers everything, I mean, these these points have
Speaker 3: been poured over many times and I'm not going to
Speaker 3: do any favors to them. So I think now it's
Speaker 3: the market is so flooded and there's so many things,
Speaker 3: and there's new media contracts and there's streaming contracts right right,
Speaker 3: and it's so the pay has gone down and residuals
Speaker 3: are kind of non existent because everything's streaming. And for
Speaker 3: whatever reason, when they sorted out the streaming stuff, all
Speaker 3: the unions were kind of like, yeah, whatever, we'll we'll
Speaker 3: just figure it out down the line, right, And now
Speaker 3: we're like, wait a second.
Speaker 2: It's probably like not that big of a deal. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's always like this. I mean, this has happened, you
Speaker 2: know in media, like in news media. It was like
Speaker 2: when Google started. But he was like, hm, that could
Speaker 2: be a problem. They were like this is a cute
Speaker 2: little thing that the nerds are messing around with. Like hey, YouTube,
Speaker 2: that's not a problem. That's not a threat to us, right.
Speaker 2: YouTube was like huh, that could be a thing. But
Speaker 2: that's the difference between you know, the people who make
Speaker 2: those things and the legacy whatever people who are like yeah,
Speaker 2: we're we'll our business will never be threatened, nothing will
Speaker 2: ever change. It is really like a weird thing that
Speaker 2: people are like feel impervious to change and when it's
Speaker 2: like obviously happening constantly around us. Yeah, whoever takes the
Speaker 2: side of the company, Like, I can't imagine a scenario
Speaker 2: where I'm like, actually, how dare these teachers ask for
Speaker 2: more money? Right?
Speaker 3: The fat cats at the top they what's going on?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, I mean, you know, it's like hard to
Speaker 2: imagine going like, well, I think Disney is getting a
Speaker 2: raw deal here, you know, Like that's like I don't
Speaker 2: think that's an Netflix.
Speaker 1: We gotta hey, come on, we gotta help Netflix out.
Speaker 3: Man. They're really struggle subscriber bases down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, but the thing is, you know, it's
Speaker 2: tough because it's creative, and like anything creative, people are
Speaker 2: basically like there's no value attached to it in a
Speaker 2: weird way, like, yes, you love to go see movies,
Speaker 2: but like when you really think about like the people
Speaker 2: who make the movie.
Speaker 1: You kind of don't give a shit. Like most people
Speaker 1: kind of don't give a shit.
Speaker 2: They don't think it's like toiling in a factory, and
Speaker 2: it is not to some extent, although plenty of those
Speaker 2: jobs are really hard labor, and like I'm not saying
Speaker 2: an actor's job is like, you know, building a fucking
Speaker 2: ac in it in a factory, but like it's it's
Speaker 2: I think there's this interesting disconnect I feel sort of
Speaker 2: happening now where like the strike's going on so long
Speaker 2: that people I can almost see. I don't think people's
Speaker 2: like attitudes are turning, but I think it's hard. I
Speaker 2: guess this is as we were talking about the dust
Speaker 2: Bowl costumes or whatever, like how do you make people
Speaker 2: continue to care about it? You know, when there's all
Speaker 2: this stuff going on that that feels like more important?
Speaker 2: And I don't know, maybe you have an answer to
Speaker 2: that to that question, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean it's tough. I'm really curious what you think
Speaker 3: the temperature is of the public perception outside of the
Speaker 3: entertainment industry, because it's tough being within it. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: my echo chamber is just like why won't they just
Speaker 3: give up one point six percent of their like end
Speaker 3: of the line propuit fits and to satisfy everybody? Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I wonder, like the are the average strange or things? Fan?
Speaker 3: Are they just like, what's when's the next season coming?
Speaker 3: Get back to work?
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. They're not. They're not.
Speaker 2: I don't think they consider it. I don't think they're like, hey,
Speaker 2: what happened? But then when does the I guess that's
Speaker 2: the question. With all this abundance, I mean, this is
Speaker 2: sort of the part of the problem, right, Like this
Speaker 2: huge abundance of content means that you basically like never
Speaker 2: feel like you're running out and like is there this
Speaker 2: thing is a thing happening now, where like before it
Speaker 2: would have stopped TV, would have stopped film, Like, but
Speaker 2: there's so much shit that's just like accumulated on these
Speaker 2: streaming services and in the on these you know, the
Speaker 2: shelves of a Disney or whatever, that people don't feel
Speaker 2: it the way they used to write, like, you know,
Speaker 2: like it's like all this shit's going on. And then
Speaker 2: there's like Barbie and Oppenheimer, the two biggest like films
Speaker 2: of the year that seem to be totally outside of
Speaker 2: this reality of striking or whatever. You know, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: presumably all of the people who worked on those movies,
Speaker 2: who wrote for and acted in them are all striking, right,
Speaker 2: they are members of these unions.
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, And also like probably not supposed to promote it.
Speaker 3: I think that I think Barbie came out pre SAG strike.
Speaker 3: I don't remember for sure, but like you know, Margot,
Speaker 3: Robbie and Gosling are going to go out and promote
Speaker 3: the movie of course, right, but it is a weird thing.
Speaker 3: It's a hard thing to celebrate this great film when
Speaker 3: we're also fighting for viable existences and trying to like
Speaker 3: pave a path forward for other people to enter this industry.
Speaker 3: And the saddest thing is, like, you know, within the
Speaker 3: Rick and Morty world, within my bubble, there's people are
Speaker 3: getting let go every day, people who aren't in WJ
Speaker 3: and aren't in SAG. But it's like, well, we're not
Speaker 3: in production, we're not writing new episodes, and we don't
Speaker 3: need this production coordinator, so good luck. We have hope
Speaker 3: to see you when it comes back.
Speaker 1: And all the industries that are attached to like making
Speaker 1: this stuff presumably are getting eviscerated right now.
Speaker 3: Right absolutely, But I mean to the other side, it's
Speaker 3: an absolute, necessary, critical strike, and I do like that
Speaker 3: it feels like we're part of a larger labor movement
Speaker 3: now and standing up against these like big giant conglomerates
Speaker 3: and being and doing so successfully, you know, they had
Speaker 3: the ups strike, which is like settled in a day. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think there's like a like airline attendance are now
Speaker 3: or like now kind of mustering up. I think that
Speaker 3: all of the animators who do s like special effects
Speaker 3: for Marvel movies have basically going to strike and say no,
Speaker 3: we want to unionize too. And I think that's great,
Speaker 3: the fact that it's like becoming you know, whatever, we'll
Speaker 3: we'll get a better deal at the end of the day.
Speaker 3: But I hope it also opens the conversation up for
Speaker 3: other people to be like, yeah, well we should have
Speaker 3: a better deal too, What the hell's going on? And
Speaker 3: I think that's happening.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's funny, like I come from a family of like socialists,
Speaker 2: like Jews.
Speaker 1: Like my great aunt was like a labor organizer.
Speaker 2: You know. They were like, oh that's cool, you know
Speaker 2: she had like lunch with Trotsky, but she was like,
Speaker 2: you know, like they moved from like Ukraine to Pittsburgh
Speaker 2: and was like, you know, helped to start like a
Speaker 2: you know space, like a socialist labor group whatever. So
Speaker 2: like I get like, I get this, and it's easy
Speaker 2: interesting because like it is there's a there is a
Speaker 2: bit of a frame in America for sure, especially in
Speaker 2: America that like unions are evil and unions are bad.
Speaker 2: It's like people have bought the line of the corporations
Speaker 2: and like, I don't like grudge a corporation for making
Speaker 2: a lot of money, but I think when you see
Speaker 2: the fucking disparity, you know, the pandemic was really interesting
Speaker 2: where it's like Amazon's like there, it's just being so
Speaker 2: much money is being accumulated there while everybody else is
Speaker 2: like eating shit, and it's like, yeah, this feels wrong,
Speaker 2: Like it feels like there's some disparity and how do
Speaker 2: you how do you balance it?
Speaker 1: How do you ever balance it? And the only way
Speaker 1: that anybody has to balance.
Speaker 2: It is like is collective action now because it's because
Speaker 2: they are these corporations are so massive and have so
Speaker 2: much power and so much money that it's impossible to
Speaker 2: to really, like on a one to one level, affect
Speaker 2: anything that they do. And like I think it's amazing,
Speaker 2: Like I love the fact that people are I don't
Speaker 2: love the people are striking, Like people shouldn't have to strike.
Speaker 1: But right, yeah, the ups that's.
Speaker 3: Interesting, you basically was interesting, like and picketting is exciting.
Speaker 3: You know, it's fun. I don't know, it feels really
Speaker 3: fun to be a part and that's such a pervilect
Speaker 3: thing to say, Oh, it's fun to be a part
Speaker 3: of a labor right now or a labor movement. But
Speaker 3: I mean, like you see people activating on the street,
Speaker 3: you run into all these old friends, everybody's walking in
Speaker 3: the miserable, miserable heat. It's a cool thing to be
Speaker 3: a part of, and it's important. And you know, nobody's
Speaker 3: going to get Stranger Things season six or whatever it is,
Speaker 3: well until they start paying people.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, but it's also part of this. I
Speaker 2: think there's this just overwhelming amount of content. Like I
Speaker 2: just think there was a time when, I mean, when
Speaker 2: the Stranger Things began, there actually were not that many
Speaker 2: shows being produced by Netflix, you know, like it I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know how many years ago it was, but
Speaker 2: it was, you know a handful of things were coming
Speaker 2: out of Netflix, not like a new show every day.
Speaker 2: And now we just have this not just Netflix, it's
Speaker 2: like all of these services just feel like they have
Speaker 2: so over indexed on content and so much of it
Speaker 2: is like really mediocre. You know.
Speaker 3: The other thing that's happening, which is really wild and
Speaker 3: disheartening is and it's basically legal insurance fraud. So this
Speaker 3: guy's Zaslov, who is like now the CEO of Warner
Speaker 3: Brothers Warner Universal, which is basically owns everything everybody loves.
Speaker 3: So what they're doing just to like clear their bottom
Speaker 3: line and look better is they are taking existing shows
Speaker 3: that are available to stream and they're erasing them from existence.
Speaker 3: So they basically go to their insurance company because they
Speaker 3: have insurance on all these shows, and they say this
Speaker 3: was a wash. They totaled the car. They say, hey,
Speaker 3: take the whole car. We're not going to fix it.
Speaker 3: We'll take our insurance back. So, like, you know, I
Speaker 3: probably should say any of these numbers, but like we
Speaker 3: made a show for Adult Swim, I want to say
Speaker 3: our full budget for the three seasons of it was
Speaker 3: like twenty million something like that, and they're going to
Speaker 3: wipe it from existence at the end of our Hulu contract.
Speaker 3: It'll just you won't be able to watch it anywhere.
Speaker 3: Check it on Pirate Bay. I know it's there, right.
Speaker 1: What's it called.
Speaker 3: It's called Dream Corp LLC, which was this hybrid animation
Speaker 3: live action really beautiful show. But that's one example, and
Speaker 3: it famously happened with Batgirl.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bi Thata Girl's crazy.
Speaker 2: They made an entire movie that would be like in
Speaker 2: a large part of a franchise or whatever.
Speaker 3: And then just wiped it and then they get back
Speaker 3: a fraction of their budget and then they go, look
Speaker 3: see here we go. And that's disheartening. Like you know
Speaker 3: how many actors were in that and writers and creak
Speaker 3: guys were like, I'm going to be a part of
Speaker 3: this huge thing. There's definitely gonna be a Bad Girl too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy and Michael, I think Michael Keaton's in it,
Speaker 2: Like yeah, I mean it probably wouldn't be great, but
Speaker 2: like you know, like none of the DC movies seemed
Speaker 2: that good to me, but it's probably like would be
Speaker 2: fun to watch. And maybe that's I mean, maybe that's
Speaker 2: the problem though, I mean, look at what's going on
Speaker 2: out there, Like maybe we've got too much Bad Girl.
Speaker 2: I mean I'm not agreeing with I'm not agreeing with
Speaker 2: the Fat Cats, Okay, right, I'm just saying like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it feels I mean, I almost think like the Barbie
Speaker 2: Oppenheimer thing is an interesting It seems a little bit
Speaker 2: more like, well, I don't know, it's tough, like Barbie's
Speaker 2: like based on a fucking doll, you know, like it's
Speaker 2: based on literally like a toy.
Speaker 1: And so I was like, well, maybe this franchise thing
Speaker 1: is kind of over.
Speaker 2: But but they do feel like more like works of
Speaker 2: art then a lot of stuff that's put out into
Speaker 2: the world these days, like a lot of these Like
Speaker 2: it feels like Disney's not just on this, like they
Speaker 2: just have to release more Marvel content.
Speaker 3: It just feels like Marvel content or redo any animated film,
Speaker 3: live action.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that stuff is that stuff is so
Speaker 1: bizarre to me. Yeah, yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 2: So I want to talk about Rick and Morty for
Speaker 2: a second. I have a couple of thoughts. How long
Speaker 2: and how long have you been working on the show?
Speaker 3: Not from the beginning, not from the beginning. I came
Speaker 3: in like halfway through season four basically, okay, okay, and
Speaker 3: we're season six aired most recently, and sevens is going
Speaker 3: to come out eventually.
Speaker 2: So so Rick and Morty is an interesting show in
Speaker 2: that when I started watching it, I was like, you know, crying, laughing,
Speaker 2: like I thought it was like one of the funniest
Speaker 2: things I'd ever seen, and I'm like, this is so
Speaker 2: fucking weird, Like it's a weird, weird show, and it
Speaker 2: only got I feel like, especially in the first you know,
Speaker 2: several of it. I don't think I've watched the last season,
Speaker 2: but I've watched everything up until that certainly got progressively
Speaker 2: more weird and obscure and sort of whatever. But here's
Speaker 2: the thing that I find I'm gonna try to say
Speaker 2: this in a way that doesn't sound insulting, because I
Speaker 2: don't want I don't want to insult. I don't want
Speaker 2: to sell you or anybody who's worked on it. Okay, Like,
Speaker 2: I think it's really smart and really funny. I think,
Speaker 2: you know, I think it crosses some lines that for
Speaker 2: a lot of people are probably like they don't feel
Speaker 2: comfortable where how those lines are crossed.
Speaker 1: But that's like neither here nor there.
Speaker 2: The thing that I find somewhat troubling about it is
Speaker 2: like I feel like it became very popular with people.
Speaker 2: I feel like they like it for reasons that are
Speaker 2: different than the ones I like it for.
Speaker 1: Yes, do you understand what I'm saying?
Speaker 3: And like, yeah, I do. There's a vocal minority fan
Speaker 3: base that's kind of in selly guys. Yeah, well because
Speaker 3: the you know, the protagonist Rick is this like nothing matters,
Speaker 3: get fucked up, have sex with everything, love isn't real.
Speaker 3: Like there's like an angry teenager in that character that
Speaker 3: people relate to.
Speaker 2: Right, But it's sort of like a Rorshack, you know,
Speaker 2: from Watchmen, Like actually there's a meme that's like Roshack
Speaker 2: is my favorite superhero but like, yeah, you.
Speaker 1: Know Roshack in the Watchman.
Speaker 2: I don't know how familiar are with Watchmen, but you know, right,
Speaker 2: so you know, he's a really fucked up character, like
Speaker 2: really fucked up, and like all of the all the
Speaker 2: all the superheroes, it's like kind of like identifying with
Speaker 2: like the you know, like oh, like the comedian, he's awesome,
Speaker 2: Like identifying with a character that's obviously super fucked up
Speaker 2: and flawed, right, And it's I think like there's a
Speaker 2: difference between like laughing alongsider or experiencing that person's story
Speaker 2: versus like.
Speaker 1: Being like I identify.
Speaker 2: Is that what it is is like people these like
Speaker 2: guys identifying with like like Rick, is that I think so?
Speaker 3: I mean I think so. I think it's like enabling
Speaker 3: you in a way, it's like, oh cool, I also
Speaker 3: hate everything and I'm pissed with my life, so right,
Speaker 3: like I'm going to get behind this guy. And you know,
Speaker 3: like there was a lot of pushback, like the first,
Speaker 3: you know, any show, it had a small writer's room
Speaker 3: at the beginning, and then like as it grew, they
Speaker 3: got a larger writer's room and they hired you know,
Speaker 3: a more diverse writer's room. And then the super like
Speaker 3: reddit fans were like, oh, they ruined it because a
Speaker 3: girl wrote this episode. And of course, I mean they're right,
Speaker 3: girl wrote Pickle Rick, stupid asshole, Like no, no, no,
Speaker 3: the girl.
Speaker 2: If a girl writes an episode, it's automatically bad content.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean no, Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's like it's like it's sort of in a way
Speaker 2: like it kind of I don't say ruined the show
Speaker 2: for me, but there is an element where like I'm
Speaker 2: almost like, I don't it's like almost embarrassing to say
Speaker 2: you like it.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry again, I don't want to.
Speaker 2: It's a fucking great show and it's really smart and funny.
Speaker 2: I just want to be clear, like I think it's
Speaker 2: like really one.
Speaker 1: Of the most unique shows.
Speaker 2: It's ever been made, and yet the fandom of it
Speaker 2: has like can.
Speaker 3: Be a turnoff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's created this weird sort of tension even within me.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying like I can't be true to what
Speaker 2: I love or whatever, but there's like a yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean is there I mean, does that ever? How much
Speaker 2: does that come up like when you're working on it, Like,
Speaker 2: I'm curious because it feels to me like it would
Speaker 2: create a lot of self consciousness or maybe more self
Speaker 2: consciousness about like the kinds of jokes you put in
Speaker 2: or the way you write certain characters. I'm just curious, like,
Speaker 2: is that ever a topic?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think you know, everybody who writes on the
Speaker 3: show that I've worked with for now for plus seasons
Speaker 3: is like the funniest, smartest people. Everybody is. Everybody is
Speaker 3: on the right side of history, and it's it's certainly
Speaker 3: a consideration, you know. It's like, we want to be
Speaker 3: true to the show, we want to be true to
Speaker 3: the roots. It was a like, stick this big seed
Speaker 3: up your ass, Morty, and I'm going to mistreat I'm
Speaker 3: going to treat my grandson really badly because I want
Speaker 3: to get laid by an alien. Like it's all problematic behavior.
Speaker 3: So you want to like recognize, like, hey, this is
Speaker 3: not this is a flawed character, and this person needs
Speaker 3: to grow. And we can't just start a new season
Speaker 3: where he is now a feminist and now you know
Speaker 3: it is is you can't like completely transform a character,
Speaker 3: but you can also what we get to do is
Speaker 3: that these characters grow and we get to explore the
Speaker 3: other characters that and and these are the storylines that
Speaker 3: are more interesting to me, more interesting to the people
Speaker 3: in the room. And and I don't know, the fan
Speaker 3: base is catching on and and and the last few
Speaker 3: seasons have been great, and yeah, it's a consideration to
Speaker 3: some extent, but like it's also it's it's just the
Speaker 3: people who are the loudest online and so.
Speaker 1: Right, they always just trying to suck up everything for everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so for they get For every one guy who's like, oh,
Speaker 3: I want to be like a Rick because he treats
Speaker 3: women badly, there's like thirty people who were like, oh,
Speaker 3: I think it's a fun, smart show that talks about
Speaker 3: you know, that's really a family sitcom at his heart, and.
Speaker 2: That I mean, yeah, yeah, yes, it has the dynamic
Speaker 2: of a family sitcom with nothing that would ever work
Speaker 2: for a family, say coom in a way.
Speaker 3: And then when I first watched it too the same
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't know you could do this
Speaker 3: on TV, like this is fun, Like okay.
Speaker 2: Like I just want to be clear, like I love
Speaker 2: the show, and I think one of the things that
Speaker 2: I was always sort of I'm surprised by, and I
Speaker 2: can't remember what season, maybe it was even in the
Speaker 2: first season, like the arc of the season and the
Speaker 2: way they have at least several seasons ended is like
Speaker 2: quite emotional, like quite like dramatic in a way that
Speaker 2: catches you off guard. And I think it's very rare
Speaker 2: for a show that can be as it's you know,
Speaker 2: it's sort of in the sphere of like a bo
Speaker 2: Jack Horseman, Like there's a cerebralness to it that like
Speaker 2: is sometimes expressed like purely in like the comedic, but
Speaker 2: like often ends up being like pretty dramatic. And I think,
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's it's unique in that sense, and
Speaker 2: it's like a really interesting and hilarious.
Speaker 1: Work of art.
Speaker 2: I just I wanted to ask about it because it's
Speaker 2: something that like I feel like I think fandom in
Speaker 2: general is really is really tricky lately, and I think that, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it almost goes back going back to the let Zeppelin
Speaker 2: Lord of.
Speaker 3: The Rigs thing, like it looks like good health.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like that was a time when, yeah,
Speaker 2: it to be into things that were nerdy was considered
Speaker 2: very uncool and it was very unpopular. And not to
Speaker 2: say that every nerd was awesome or whatever, but I
Speaker 2: think that it meant that those people, I think, found
Speaker 2: each other in a way that created real communities that
Speaker 2: were like communities about people sharing things they love together.
Speaker 2: And it feels like modern fandom is like almost this
Speaker 2: like weaponized mutation of that, where it's like we are
Speaker 2: a community not banding together to share in our love
Speaker 2: of something, but banding together to like destroy anybody who
Speaker 2: doesn't share in our love of this thing, which is
Speaker 2: like your point about like the episode being written by
Speaker 2: a woman and they're all like fucking pissed about it
Speaker 2: or whatever. The idea that being a fan of something
Speaker 2: could become so vitriolic and hateful just seems like a
Speaker 2: total perversion of the concept.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Well, I mean the classic like Rick and
Speaker 3: Morty superfan is like, oh, like, oh I love Rick
Speaker 3: and Morty and someone's like, oh, I love Rick and
Speaker 3: Morty too, and then that super fans like no, but
Speaker 3: you don't get it, like I get it, like that
Speaker 3: it's a competition and who loves it the most, who
Speaker 3: really understands it, Like it's too deep for you? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know where that comes from.
Speaker 3: You know, it's a sign of our society. I guess
Speaker 3: that people are desperately trying to find something that's theirs,
Speaker 3: that they could be a part of. Like I don't
Speaker 3: know why we're not getting that in our interact. You know,
Speaker 3: we've we've messed up somewhere that that people's whole identity
Speaker 3: becomes Captain America, you know, I.
Speaker 1: Look the whole thing.
Speaker 2: And maybe Rick and Morty is a contributor to this,
Speaker 2: although I would say on the higher end, like I
Speaker 2: think we've all been like pretty heavily infantilized, like as adults,
Speaker 2: Like I think we've all like the Star Wars should go,
Speaker 2: Like Star Wars doesn't need to continue into like doesn't
Speaker 2: need to be a part of your life forever, Like
Speaker 2: it's possible that it could be a thing that you
Speaker 2: love as like a teenager or as a kid or whatever,
Speaker 2: and then like you move on to other two other
Speaker 2: forms of like entertainment.
Speaker 3: Or you know, you know rich polassical music.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I don't fucking know, but like these
Speaker 2: are something beyond Star Wars. Like what if you never
Speaker 2: get out of Star Wars, but if you're stuck in
Speaker 2: the loop and you're like now you're seeing solo and
Speaker 2: you're like, well it's not that good, but like at
Speaker 2: least I'm getting more Star Wars. You know, you get
Speaker 2: stuck at these like tracks of like, Okay, now this
Speaker 2: is a thing, and can't they just be like and
Speaker 2: you're not gonna they're not making Oppenheimer two, you know,
Speaker 2: like right, it's just not saying you know, I haven't
Speaker 2: seen it yet, so maybe it's maybe it's not that good.
Speaker 3: But now they do set up a sequel at the end. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there's a post credits scene where uh Nick Nick Frost,
Speaker 3: I don't know who's the guy where the agents and
Speaker 3: the fielder. Nick Fury comes over and like puts his
Speaker 3: hand on Oppenheimer's shoulder and he's like, we're very interested
Speaker 3: in the work you've done.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, fucking I'm sorry, but I wish that
Speaker 2: Christopher Nolan had been could could not take himself too
Speaker 2: seriously to have done that, because it would be the
Speaker 2: greatest fucking thing that ever happened in film history. Like,
Speaker 2: I think you did a three hour movie about the
Speaker 2: creation of the atomic bomb that was super fucking serious,
Speaker 2: and then you had a post credits scene that like
Speaker 2: linked it to the Marvel universe.
Speaker 1: I mean, amazing, God, we need to make that scene.
Speaker 2: Like they should hire the actors just to film that scene.
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely. I mean I think every movie, and the
Speaker 3: far they're detached from the Marvel Universe, the better, should
Speaker 3: end with Nick Fury coming in and saying, we want
Speaker 3: you to work for Shield.
Speaker 2: I mean, it would have been just ultimate fucking synergy
Speaker 2: with Barbie and Oppenheimer's if they had come up with
Speaker 2: a post credit scene that somehow linked those universes together,
Speaker 2: Like if.
Speaker 1: Nick Fury had maybe shown up in both movies.
Speaker 3: I want to introduce you to Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2: Oh fuck god, oh man, this is now I'm understanding
Speaker 2: why you're into these creative fields. You've got great ideas,
Speaker 2: I mean, really good, Sead.
Speaker 3: Just throw Fury and that's my pitch in the room.
Speaker 3: All the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you were you wrote for SNL for a
Speaker 2: little while, is that correct?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I did one season on SNL.
Speaker 1: One season.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about But tell me about the horrific situation
Speaker 2: that led to your dismissal at SNL.
Speaker 1: Can we talk about this?
Speaker 3: So I wish I wish it was exciting.
Speaker 1: Would you do to Lauren?
Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't do anything. Maybe I didn't drink
Speaker 3: the koolid enough, but I wish it was more exciting.
Speaker 3: It like, it was very it was unceremonial. I just
Speaker 3: my contract wasn't renewed and I found out like over
Speaker 3: the summer. It was like, yeah, you're not going back.
Speaker 3: And then they sent me. They sent me a giant
Speaker 3: box that had everything that was in my office.
Speaker 2: Oh that's sufficient. It's nice that you guys they take
Speaker 2: the summer off to fire people.
Speaker 1: They're like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Lauren was like, you know what I like to do
Speaker 2: is if everybody leaves and then we can just pick
Speaker 2: who we don't like and send them their shit.
Speaker 1: That's smart.
Speaker 3: Hey, then we talked shit about them behind their back.
Speaker 2: I mean most businesses, you have to do it like
Speaker 2: you have to bring the person into like an HR
Speaker 2: conversation and then they like somebody escorts them out of
Speaker 2: the building like this is it's way cleaning to do
Speaker 2: it that way?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you just doesn't bother What do you think?
Speaker 1: What is it? Like?
Speaker 2: You didn't have like a you didn't come up with
Speaker 2: like a character or something like somebody with a catchphrase
Speaker 2: like what is what do you think?
Speaker 1: Like you Knowteria is?
Speaker 3: It's been so far from it. I mean I didn't
Speaker 3: get a lot of stuff on the show. I don't
Speaker 3: know if the show really is my bag of humor,
Speaker 3: so my strengths I don't think really played to the
Speaker 3: show's strengths.
Speaker 1: Like it's to mainstream too. Yeah, it's a little juvenile.
Speaker 3: I probably I don't think I could talk about this
Speaker 3: well maybe.
Speaker 1: I mean these are my words.
Speaker 3: You're not here?
Speaker 1: What are they gona they're gonna rehire you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, they probably won't invite me to the
Speaker 3: fiftieth anniversary party, which you know you want.
Speaker 1: To go out. That's gonna be sick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure back to both Manning brothers at the
Speaker 3: fortieth anniversary party.
Speaker 2: Uh okay, it took me a second because I'm not
Speaker 2: a sports guy. You're talking about there, but.
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning is one, and then I want to.
Speaker 3: Say, oh, you lie, I was gonna say like I
Speaker 3: was gonna say, like Chuck Manning. I wrote on the
Speaker 3: fortieth season. So it was a big year. Yeah, And
Speaker 3: then they had a big giant anniversary show where like
Speaker 3: Steve Martin, Bill Murray everybody came back and they like
Speaker 3: that week. They were like, hey, you guys are new writers,
Speaker 3: so you don't have to come in at all this week.
Speaker 3: And it was like, oh that sucks, Like okay, well thanks.
Speaker 3: They're like the best, best in the bridest, not you guys,
Speaker 3: not you guys. We're going to do like more King
Speaker 3: Touch stuff and like Samurai Samurai dry Cleaner.
Speaker 1: They bring back like old like old school like writers.
Speaker 3: It was like the best of you know. It was fun,
Speaker 3: I mean. And but we did get to go to
Speaker 3: this huge gala that had everybody who's ever been on
Speaker 3: the show and he was live band Taylor Swift was there.
Speaker 3: I just say Taylor so because she's kind of important
Speaker 3: right now. She was very nice.
Speaker 1: I hear she's great. I've heard she's nothing.
Speaker 3: Nice, lovely. I was like, I lied, and I was
Speaker 3: like my girlfriend's a huge fan. Could I get a
Speaker 3: selfie with you? And she took us so she was
Speaker 3: like really nice. She took us stelfie and it was
Speaker 3: like kind of the lighting was kind of off and
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, this is like kind of bad.
Speaker 3: Do you mind if and she was like, oh no,
Speaker 3: you could fix it. Took my phone, went into the
Speaker 3: photo app, started adjusting level, increased the brand. You could
Speaker 3: have taken ten more selfies, but she just like taught
Speaker 3: me how to make a koto.
Speaker 2: That's I mean, they say she goes above and beyond.
Speaker 2: That really is something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean she she's a talent and she's like
Speaker 3: running the entire US economy right now. But so also
Speaker 3: that night, I all the writers and other and people
Speaker 3: who work on the show were like, well, we got
Speaker 3: to get drugs right right, I can talk about drugs
Speaker 3: on the show.
Speaker 1: Yes, please do actually encourage it.
Speaker 3: So I was in a rented tuxedo and I put
Speaker 3: in an order with a drug dealer.
Speaker 1: My guy was named Rick when I lived in Brooklyn.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well say his full name, say his full name.
Speaker 2: I never got a full name. It's just Rick, just
Speaker 2: Rick Rick in my phone, Rick in person. I don't
Speaker 2: remember what Rick looked like, but he would show up.
Speaker 2: He'd show up when he needs to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, anyhow, so you put an order in,
Speaker 3: put an order in, collect a bunch of cash from everybody.
Speaker 3: The party was at some huge venue on like Fifth
Speaker 3: Avenue in Manhattan, and there's like this very famous intersection
Speaker 3: that's like probably Fifth in Park or something. So it's
Speaker 3: this huge there's like six lanes from every side, this
Speaker 3: huge intersection. Uh, I run. I come out of the venue.
Speaker 3: I got all the cash and gripping into my hand,
Speaker 3: and the guy was like kitty corner across and all
Speaker 3: the lights were red. It was like you can cross
Speaker 3: any direction. It's very cold in wintery and windy, and
Speaker 3: so I see his car and I just start sprinting
Speaker 3: across the street. But as I'm running, like my tuxedo
Speaker 3: jacket catches on my hand and the money and it
Speaker 3: just explodes, Like three hundred dollars in twenties just explode
Speaker 3: in the middle of Fifth Avenue in Manhattan, just and
Speaker 3: it's windy, is blowing everywhere. So I'm in a tuxedo.
Speaker 3: It's like a snatching, like I'm in a cash cage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's the streets of New York City, the
Speaker 2: cash caages, You're all reality? Was that rock bottom for you?
Speaker 2: Does that when you felt like you knew you had
Speaker 2: a problem?
Speaker 3: Or I think it probably tickled me so much that
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm never changing this life.
Speaker 1: Did you wait?
Speaker 3: Did you get the cash? And did you get Ye
Speaker 3: got the cash? I got the drug and then you know,
Speaker 3: we continue to continue dancing black?
Speaker 1: Did Taylor Swift?
Speaker 3: No? No, I don't you know. No, you're not sure
Speaker 3: it makes that. But part of the reason I thought
Speaker 3: that that I thought all the old timers would be like, hey,
Speaker 3: we're back in thirty rockings. Time to like rid the
Speaker 3: rails again. It's been a while, So I thought like
Speaker 3: I'd be in like a bathroom stall with Bill Murray
Speaker 3: and like Gilda Radner. I guess she probably wasn't a
Speaker 3: love friend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in heaven at the bathroom stalling.
Speaker 3: Heaven's kind of ruined our career, this, this podcast, our
Speaker 3: career are a joint career.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so. So.
Speaker 2: So you're working on there's a new season Rick and
Speaker 2: Morty coming. You're executive producer.
Speaker 3: That's very cool, Like, yeah, it's cool.
Speaker 2: Is that like if I'm if I'm close enough friends
Speaker 2: with you, I could like voice a character on Rick
Speaker 2: and Morty, Like you can get me in there.
Speaker 1: Like I'm not saying me, but if I were friends
Speaker 1: with you, Like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably I've gotten my friend's voices voice jobs on
Speaker 3: the show for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Kind of my favorite thing is to get my friend's work.
Speaker 2: Have you thought about having like a guy who's like
Speaker 2: a kind of a Jewish like podcast, or guy who's
Speaker 2: from Pittsburgh like that as a character. It could be
Speaker 2: kind of an interesting Yeah, you don't have a lot
Speaker 2: of characters like that on Rick and Morton.
Speaker 3: Don't we don't We had an episode had a podcast
Speaker 3: in it, so that ship may have sailed well, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm just not saying me. It's a person like that.
Speaker 3: You're casting a you're casting a wide net.
Speaker 2: Though with Jewish podcasters, it's like every podcaster, every second
Speaker 2: podcaster is yeah, can you get Nick Fury in there?
Speaker 2: Like what happens if you want to do a Nick
Speaker 2: Fury thing on Rick and Morty? What happened to.
Speaker 3: Positive Nick Fury has been on this show?
Speaker 1: Really? Sure?
Speaker 3: I think so? It sounds like we always kind of
Speaker 3: poop on Marvel on this show. I imagine he's been
Speaker 3: on there.
Speaker 1: It sounds correct to me.
Speaker 2: But I mean I was just thinking about your post
Speaker 2: credits concept and maybe there's a way to make that.
Speaker 1: I mean, with animation, anything's possible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's like a there's like a fake
Speaker 3: Avengers on the show called Vindicators, and they did a
Speaker 3: spinoff show which was very good. So like our Marvel
Speaker 3: universe is it, but we reference Marvel a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but like you know, Morty's a big fan of the
Speaker 3: Vindicators and that's basically Marvel. Yeah, I'll get theory in there.
Speaker 3: I would rather get Oppenheimer, and I think he probably
Speaker 3: has a better chance of making it in I.
Speaker 2: Don't know why there's I mean the scene you described,
Speaker 2: there's no reason why that couldn't be put into the
Speaker 2: show wholesale.
Speaker 1: Like I think that's.
Speaker 3: I think it could deserly be a tag of it,
Speaker 3: which is also a post credit scene of Rick. Could
Speaker 3: definitely be an apropos of nothing.
Speaker 1: Nothing get whatever.
Speaker 2: The final scene of Oppenheimer is cut to the crew
Speaker 2: or whatever, I guess wouldn't be the final scene. It's
Speaker 2: just as you described it, just like he's sitting at
Speaker 2: a table, pondering what he's done.
Speaker 1: I guess I assume it ends with him.
Speaker 3: He's probably wrapping a he's wrapping like a belt over
Speaker 3: a ceiling fan, and he's setting up a little like
Speaker 3: a home depot bucket that he's standing on. Right, did
Speaker 3: he kill him in a knock at the door? No,
Speaker 3: but it's the scene he is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sakes you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, and yeah, right,
Speaker 2: there's a knock at the door. It opens, damn it.
Speaker 2: He's like put that rope down or whatever he's using.
Speaker 3: I guess don't know, but that like, back around your trousers,
Speaker 3: mister Oppenheimer.
Speaker 2: Right, we've got a job, got somewhere to be. Well,
Speaker 2: I'll listen. I think I would love to see it happen.
Speaker 2: I mean, now that you've said it, now that you've
Speaker 2: brought it into my sort of imagination, I'll be bummed
Speaker 2: if it doesn't happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it would, I mean, you know what, maybe God see.
Speaker 3: But also, here's other thing. Now that we're talking about it,
Speaker 3: it's like, well, now we can't do it.
Speaker 1: You can't do it because it's out there.
Speaker 2: We have to cut this out of the show completely,
Speaker 2: and then it'd be I mean, I'm willing to do
Speaker 2: that if you actually can deliver on it.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you could commit to me that you'll
Speaker 1: get the.
Speaker 3: But also, we move pretty slow. You know, we're not
Speaker 3: South Park.
Speaker 2: Yeah, by the time that's fucking airs Oppenheimer's in the
Speaker 2: old News. Yeah, you got to have a way to
Speaker 2: get for it to be relevant. Like with uh, it's
Speaker 2: going to be.
Speaker 3: Exactly, we just don't move that fast. We're not that live.
Speaker 3: I mean, i'd like a nice topical thing, but I
Speaker 3: also really like an evergreen like this exists in its
Speaker 3: own world and isn't.
Speaker 1: It's to do.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's have to do ambitious animation on
Speaker 2: a fast turnaround. I mean, I guess AI I'll fix
Speaker 2: that right soon. Yeah, he'll just tell the AI what
Speaker 2: you want and it'll spit it out. But yeah, the
Speaker 2: CEOs will just put in what they want in the
Speaker 2: AI and then it'll just spit it out and they
Speaker 2: won't need anybody anymore.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think I think it'll even be more
Speaker 3: than that, Josh, you will put in I want an
Speaker 3: episode of Rick and Morty where they meet Oppenheimer and
Speaker 3: Nick Fury, And also I'm in it and I'm a
Speaker 3: podcast host, yeah, and I'm the one who introduces them.
Speaker 3: And then you'll type that prompt into a laptop and
Speaker 3: it'll just spit out your own episode of Rick and Morty.
Speaker 3: I think that's where it's going. That sounds like it
Speaker 3: sucks so bad. I can't even describe how shitty that sounds.
Speaker 3: We actually had we ran, we ran the.
Speaker 2: Episode last I think last week of we had the
Speaker 2: CEO of Scott David Hols, who's the CEO of mid Journey,
Speaker 2: which is the art one of the art ais, and uh,
Speaker 2: we definitely that we touched on that a little bit.
Speaker 2: But like I talked to the film critic David Denby,
Speaker 2: who I don't know if he still writes to The
Speaker 2: New Yorker, but I interviewed him many many years ago,
Speaker 2: and he described like we were talking about interactive cinema,
Speaker 2: and he was like, I kind of want movies to
Speaker 2: like dominate me. I want it to be like in
Speaker 2: control basically of like my sort of emotions or whatever.
Speaker 2: And I think, like, I mean, maybe I'm going to
Speaker 2: go back in five years and I'm gonna eat crow
Speaker 2: or whatever.
Speaker 1: The fuck.
Speaker 2: I just don't believe that people actually will enjoy things
Speaker 2: that they think they want. I think I think a
Speaker 2: lot of people enjoy things because they aren't what they expected.
Speaker 2: And I think that being able to tell a machine,
Speaker 2: no matter how clever, it can be like the things
Speaker 2: you want to have happen, and then have them happen.
Speaker 2: It's like you kind of can't tickle yourself, you know.
Speaker 2: I think it's a little bit of that, And I
Speaker 2: think we're going to learn pretty quickly that after the
Speaker 2: kind of excitement of what it can do wears off,
Speaker 2: there's a lot that there's a lot of there's a
Speaker 2: big gulf between your desire and what a machine can
Speaker 2: produce for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can see that. I agree. I think it'll
Speaker 3: be like, look, it's the first AI completed movie, and
Speaker 3: we're all like, I probably won't see it, but people
Speaker 3: will be excited about it. But the pendulum will swing
Speaker 3: that way for a minute, and then it'll come back
Speaker 3: to like I kind of liked it when weirdos just
Speaker 3: were allowed to make art that we got to experience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, I don't know. I mean, maybe they'll
Speaker 1: be amazing.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe the AI will come up with with like
Speaker 2: much more clever ideas and they'll be much funnier than
Speaker 2: than we think. And I don't know, I mean, anything's possible,
Speaker 2: but I'm sort of like I expect that there'll be
Speaker 2: a lot of people's jobs who get screwed over in
Speaker 2: the process.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think you know, corporations are going to
Speaker 3: let it trickle down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's probably true.
Speaker 3: I mean because like it's probably easier to do a
Speaker 3: full AI podcast because you don't have to worry about visuals,
Speaker 3: So like, is that make you nervous? I know, this
Speaker 3: is kind of your big.
Speaker 1: No any maker, not my main gig.
Speaker 2: No no, because there are already you don't need AI.
Speaker 2: You already have the entirety of humanity producing garbage podcasts
Speaker 2: like you don't. And I mean, I say, this is
Speaker 2: like I may be a part of that. Like I'm
Speaker 2: not trying to tell you know, don't stoot my own
Speaker 2: horn or anything. There's already a This is sort of
Speaker 2: like the content thing that's like we already have too much.
Speaker 2: Like it's not the problem is not quantity, right, The
Speaker 2: problem actually is quality. I think that is and I
Speaker 2: think increasingly one of the reasons why the streamers have
Speaker 2: suffered is they have like tried to create a quantity
Speaker 2: sort of their their equation is quantity, and what is
Speaker 2: lacking there is the quality. And eventually people catch on
Speaker 2: and they're like, wow, I have a mount of things
Speaker 2: to see, but nothing I want to watch. And like,
Speaker 2: I think that's the same thing is happening just across
Speaker 2: the board. I think it's like I think that's to
Speaker 2: some extent, has happened in music. I think, I mean,
Speaker 2: what that what it looks like, you know, on the
Speaker 2: back end of it.
Speaker 1: I have no fucking idea.
Speaker 2: I think it's happening in like in my world, like
Speaker 2: in news and media stuff, like I think people are
Speaker 2: have been exhausted by like social media and like clickbait,
Speaker 2: and I think everybody's kind of like fatigued with this,
Speaker 2: like just the wanity of shit and you're kind of like, god,
Speaker 2: I'd love just one good thing.
Speaker 3: It feels real, And I think that's why people get
Speaker 3: behind like oh white lotus. It's like, Okay, this is good,
Speaker 3: it's all I watch it collectively, this is nice.
Speaker 1: Well we watched it, but then like ninety nine percent
Speaker 1: of other people didn't. I mean that's the thing.
Speaker 2: It's like there's stuff that you you and I probably
Speaker 2: think being in our respective industries.
Speaker 1: It's like, what is popular? You know it's popular? Is Yellowstone?
Speaker 1: Do you watch Yellowstone?
Speaker 3: I haven't, and somebody's like it's been on right thirty years.
Speaker 2: I've never massively popular. I mean it's like the most
Speaker 2: popular show. You've never seen an episode of it, and
Speaker 2: yet you've probably watched every episode of Succession and he
Speaker 2: thought it was amazing exactly, and you know it, no
Speaker 2: one else has watched it, Like one million people have
Speaker 2: watched Succession in the world.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, we think it's important. We're coastal elites.
Speaker 3: You know we are exactly.
Speaker 2: It's a show made by coastal elites about coastal elites
Speaker 2: for coastal elites.
Speaker 1: And it worn't perfectly but I.
Speaker 2: Think but you know, listen, it's very rare that anything
Speaker 2: is super fucking good and popular. Like there's only a
Speaker 2: few There's a Beyonce and the and Beatle, the Beatles,
Speaker 2: and like there.
Speaker 1: All be everything?
Speaker 3: Is that everything? Like a B movie?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's another thing.
Speaker 2: But you know, like, right, I think I think the
Speaker 2: film Life Force is high art, but to most people,
Speaker 2: most people don't even know it.
Speaker 3: I don't even know what you're talking about you don't
Speaker 3: even know it?
Speaker 1: Okay, Can I make a recommendation?
Speaker 2: And I would like if you can get everybody who's
Speaker 2: associated with Brick and Morty to participate, Yeah, if they
Speaker 2: If everybody who's working on that has not seen the
Speaker 2: film Life Force. It is directed by Toby Hooper. It's
Speaker 2: based on a novel called The Space Vampires. It is
Speaker 2: written by Dan O'Bannon, who's the guy who created Alien,
Speaker 2: and it is one of the most insane and amazing
Speaker 2: films ever produced. And oh in the I believe, I
Speaker 2: believe the soundtrack is by Henry Mancini, So it's like,
Speaker 2: got a crazy soundtrack like on. It is first off
Speaker 2: in my top five favorite movies of all time. But
Speaker 2: it's also like I guarantee you it's unlike any film
Speaker 2: you've ever seen in your entire life. And if you're not,
Speaker 2: if you don't walk away feeling like thrilled by it,
Speaker 2: I'll be very surprised.
Speaker 3: I will watch it, but immediately and I bet you,
Speaker 3: I bet you people in the room have seen this movie.
Speaker 2: I know I was gonna say, it's the kind of
Speaker 2: film that I would expect that people who are writing
Speaker 2: for Rick and Morty are pretty familiar with. It's a
Speaker 2: pretty obscure even amongst like sci fi weirdos. It's a
Speaker 2: seemingly kind of weirdly obscure thing. Sorry, I don't I
Speaker 2: just want to bring it up whenever possible because I
Speaker 2: think it's such a gem of a film.
Speaker 3: Well, I want to ask you a question because you
Speaker 3: were talking about like podcasts and how there's a lot
Speaker 3: of podcasts. So I guess what I wanted to ask was,
Speaker 3: I guess what, what do you think is the worst
Speaker 3: podcast out there?
Speaker 2: Well, that's I mean, I haven't heard it. I mean
Speaker 2: the worst podcast is as you haven't heard it, but
Speaker 2: like you know, I don't know, Like.
Speaker 3: Uh, well, you don't have to answer this. I'm trying
Speaker 3: to put this.
Speaker 2: I find like celebrities of the podcast be really annoying
Speaker 2: because it's like fuck you, like you already have your
Speaker 2: Like Dax Shepherd, it's so fucked up that Dak I
Speaker 2: have to compete, that we have to lowly ugly people
Speaker 2: like me have to compete with Dax sheperd Like, I'm
Speaker 2: sure he's a great guy by the way his podcast, No,
Speaker 2: he seems great and he's a wonderful he's wonderful and
Speaker 2: I'd love to have him on. In fact, let's let's
Speaker 2: see if we can get him on. I'd love to
Speaker 2: interview him about his podcast. And you know, he seems
Speaker 2: lovely and he's in Kristen Bell seems great and he
Speaker 2: just seems like a great guy. But like Paul Rudd
Speaker 2: or something, has a fucking pot. I just feel like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, like Jason Bateman's podcast.
Speaker 3: A popular podcast and it's like a movie stars, right,
Speaker 3: I just think it's fucked up, like let us have
Speaker 3: let ugly people have something, you know, Like I think
Speaker 3: we don't get much these days, you know, like I
Speaker 3: understand that everyone's more accepting, but it's not right.
Speaker 2: But worst podcast, I mean, that's a that's a tough
Speaker 2: one because it was probably like the Ben Shapiro Show
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 3: Like, you know, like damaging our culture and sins.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if you look at the top one hundred,
Speaker 2: there's all kinds of shit, like, you know, I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, it's like the Chuck Bentley Show
Speaker 2: or something. You're like, who's Chuck Bentley. He's like, oh,
Speaker 2: he's a firebrand, maga preacher or whatever. And his his
Speaker 2: he has like twenty million subscribers to his podcast. Like
Speaker 2: Chuck Bentley's not a person as far as I know,
Speaker 2: but like it's that sort of right, that idea.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's something for everybody out there.
Speaker 1: Man, I don't listen to a lot of podcasts. I'd
Speaker 1: be honest with you, like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair. What do you think takes the most
Speaker 3: time of your day? What do you what do you do?
Speaker 1: It's been doing?
Speaker 2: No, it's it's it's like, probably have a little problem
Speaker 2: solving things like that, right, you know. I used to
Speaker 2: do a lot of like actual writing, but it's I
Speaker 2: find it to be very annoying. I'm not a person
Speaker 2: who enjoys the time it takes to write down words.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it. I mean, you're just banging in your
Speaker 3: head against a brick wall the hole. It's miserable. It's
Speaker 3: you're a loane, You're lost in your thoughts, you hate everything.
Speaker 3: It's miserable and magical at the same time. I do
Speaker 3: think I should maybe this goal. I don't have a
Speaker 3: goal this year to be published in New Yorker. I
Speaker 3: always thought that would be fun.
Speaker 1: Oh you could do that online or in this actual magazinete.
Speaker 3: I mean I'd like to have a physical copy, but
Speaker 3: I take what I can.
Speaker 2: Get online is definitely easier. I mean you could start
Speaker 2: with online and see if they like it. We'll graduated
Speaker 2: into I feel like you could definitely get something published.
Speaker 3: I don't what did the how do you? I know
Speaker 3: this podcast isn't about how to getublished in the n
Speaker 3: or but like no, well, but can it be for
Speaker 3: the last part.
Speaker 2: The easiest thing is that somebody like me, like introduces
Speaker 2: to somebody there who I know, and I go like, oh, hey,
Speaker 2: this guy Nicky's super smart. He's one of the producers
Speaker 2: on Rick Morty. He wrote this really funny thing or whatever.
Speaker 2: Should check it out. I mean, you know, it's all
Speaker 2: about nepotism, and you know who you know and who
Speaker 2: you know they have, They take submissions, they publish like
Speaker 2: they actually publish thoseubmissions all the time. And in fact,
Speaker 2: the New Yorker, in their defense, I should say, has
Speaker 2: really has made a practice in their entire history of
Speaker 2: like publishing unknown not that you're unknown, like you're you're
Speaker 2: certainly known.
Speaker 3: No, I want special treatment.
Speaker 1: You must have twenty people who know somebody there, like for.
Speaker 3: Yuh, I'm sure there's avenues that I should explore. Also,
Speaker 3: here's the thing I'm never going to pursue this past
Speaker 3: this conversation. No, no, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean you could do like a shouts and murmurs
Speaker 1: like a little, like.
Speaker 3: A little It would be some silly thing, you know.
Speaker 2: It's like a McSweeney's light kind of thing. Yeah, they
Speaker 2: do a lot of like less interesting than McSweeney's comedy
Speaker 2: humor rather, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like real humor. I guess I should start by
Speaker 3: reading a New Yorker once.
Speaker 1: You should see what's in there. Yeah, it's a comic, right, yeah.
Speaker 2: No, I think it'd be a real twist for you
Speaker 2: is to go and find like an unbelievable journalistic story.
Speaker 2: Like you go to fucking like Somalia and like report
Speaker 2: on some incredible and like just you're like this guy,
Speaker 2: like your whole career has been like in comedy and
Speaker 2: writing and like give an Emmy for a fucking Rick
Speaker 2: and Morty. But then you go and like just report
Speaker 2: out the hardest, craziest fucking story ever.
Speaker 3: Right, I like break the next Coney story.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and that's well Coney was fake.
Speaker 2: I think that's turned out yeah, I think, but but yeah,
Speaker 2: you would crack that kind of case for the New Yorker,
Speaker 2: you know, or you write the story. They had a
Speaker 2: story about how I think it was a New Yorker.
Speaker 2: Maybe be in the Atlantic. There's like a fault line
Speaker 2: there that's gonna like make Seattle basically fall off the
Speaker 2: the country, like you like, there's gonna be an earthquake
Speaker 2: that will send Seattle out to sea or something, you know,
Speaker 2: or Washington, all of Washington.
Speaker 3: I could dig into that. I feel like, whatever I do,
Speaker 3: if it's like hard hitting, you knowjournalism, I end it
Speaker 3: with Nick Fury showing up and asking Seattle to join
Speaker 3: the Avengers. And then people get to the end they're like,
Speaker 3: damn it, this asshole. He's got one idea.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, but it's a good one, you know what,
Speaker 2: one idea, but it's a good one. I wish you
Speaker 2: could have gotten to Christopher Nolan before he finished the
Speaker 2: film to tell him this idea, just like there is
Speaker 2: something we should If only you had that inception device, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you could have put him, put him under and got
Speaker 2: him put this idea in his head.
Speaker 1: That's a dream.
Speaker 3: Well, there's going to be a director's cut, so there's
Speaker 3: still time.
Speaker 2: Somebody has to film the scene and like do a bootleg,
Speaker 2: like an edit, get Killian Murphy to just like just
Speaker 2: just do it, just like will you be in the
Speaker 2: scene with anyhow? All right, we've talked this one to death.
Speaker 2: I think I think you know what you need to do.
Speaker 2: Once the strike is over. Get call Samuel Jackson, call
Speaker 2: Christopher Nolan, Killian Murphy and make it happen.
Speaker 3: Get a guy with a camera. Get a camera. I
Speaker 3: don't even go through the whole production process, but you know, people.
Speaker 1: To do lighting and probably some prop.
Speaker 3: Probably need a COVID compliance officer on set.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he probably. You know, you have to find
Speaker 2: a locations when he has location scout. I guess, yeah,
Speaker 2: I need permits.
Speaker 3: I know, we know what I get.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty straightforward. It's just right there. Nick, this
Speaker 2: is like I say, this is super fun, super fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 2: I wasn't sure what exactly we're going to talk about.
Speaker 2: There were definitely things I want to talk about. We
Speaker 2: hit all of those things and then went way beyond them.
Speaker 2: We skated through the routine and then into something very freestyle,
Speaker 2: which I enjoyed.
Speaker 1: It was a real pleasure to talk to you.
Speaker 3: All right, thank you, Josh, thank you.
Speaker 2: We're going to do this again, and uh and enjoy
Speaker 2: the rest of your I assume you know, beautiful Los
Speaker 2: Angeles day, hotter than hell out there.
Speaker 1: Well, that is our show.
Speaker 2: I mean, so much show, really, just all of I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't even know if we need to do another show.
Speaker 1: At this point.
Speaker 2: We captured I would say, every possible human emotion on
Speaker 2: this one, and I loved it. I gotta tell you,
Speaker 2: even the human even when we hit the human emotions
Speaker 2: of depression and anger, I was still smiling through the pain.
Speaker 2: And that's really the most you can ask foreign life,
Speaker 2: I think. So that is our show for this week.
Speaker 2: We'll be back next week with more what future, and
Speaker 2: as always, I wish you and your family the very best.