WEBVTT - Oppenheimerverse with Nick Rutherford 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:21.279 Hey, and welcome to What Future. 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:25.279 I'm your host, Josh Wazapolski, and today I got to 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:27.840 say we've got a banger of an episode. I'm very 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:31.480 excited about it. In fact, it's such a great conversation 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:34.440 that I don't even want to waste time telling you 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:36.199 about how great it's going to be. I don't want 0:00:36.200 --> 0:00:40.680 to sit here and ramble, because you should just listen 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:40.920 to it. 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:41.800 You should just hear it. 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:45.760 I had the rare and wonderful opportunity to talk to 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:51.640 the actor, comedian, writer Nicholas Rutherford Nick Rutherford if you 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:53.720 want to, If you want to go by his more 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:57.120 casual name, he's an executive producer. I'm Rick and Morty 0:00:57.160 --> 0:01:00.400 and a super smart, funny guy. And we had a 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:03.440 killer conversation and I want to get right into it, 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:22.640 So let's go Rutherford. Am I saying that right? Your 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:28.120 name is pronounced Rutherford Nick Rutherford Topolski is correct. According 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:32.480 to your Wikipedia page, which you have, you're an actor, 0:01:32.680 --> 0:01:35.800 a comedian, a writer, and a co founder of the 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:37.319 Sketch comedy group Good neighbor. 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:41.160 But are you a Patriot? That's what I'd like to know. 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:45.240 Oh, I mean, I think I'm the best type of 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:50.040 patriot at patriot who holds his country's feet to the fire. Yeah, 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:52.560 you know, patriot who asked the questions that a lot 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:57.400 of patriots don't like. For instance, Yeah, for instance, what 0:01:57.600 --> 0:01:58.280 is arbor Day? 0:01:58.520 --> 0:01:59.480 Yeah? What is arbor Day? 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:02.520 I think that's a solebration of trees, right, Okay, yeah, 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:05.440 I assume so. But I mean arbor is like, are like, 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:06.560 that's a tree thing. 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:09.240 Yeah. I think if you're like an arbor rist, you're 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:10.440 a tree scientist. 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:12.320 Yeah, let's look at them. What is arbor Day? 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:15.120 So it's tree Day? So isn't it's an Earth Day, 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:16.120 doesn't covered trees. 0:02:17.600 --> 0:02:20.840 It's a secular day of observance which individuals and groups 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:22.200 are encouraged to plant trees. 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:26.280 Is it a national holiday? Might be? Yeah, it's national 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:26.799 arbor Day. 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:29.560 It's not a government holiday. We don't get work offs 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:29.920 right now. 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:30.840 They don't give you off for it. 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:32.440 They don't give you don't give you a day off 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:35.320 to plant a tree. That would be That's the kind 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:38.040 of thing that Republicans talk about as like the end 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:42.480 state of liberals. Of what liberals want is they're going 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:44.639 to stop you from working so you can go out 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:46.920 and plant a tree. That's like a that's like a 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:48.639 conservative nightmare scenario. 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:51.200 You know, you don't get worse worst case the. 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:53.919 Worst scenarios you have to like forced to take off 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:57.399 work and go plant a tree by you know, liberals anyhow. Yeah, Also, 0:02:57.400 --> 0:02:59.119 we don't have to talk about politics. I don't even 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:00.920 know how. I guess because I asked you you're if 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:03.040 you're a patriot. That was a huge miss Yeah, huge 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:04.880 missed up on my part. But now you led it 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:05.840 there pretty quickly. 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:06.360 Yeah, I did. 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:08.639 That's my fucking that's my fault. Are you a very 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:11.240 political person? Do you feel politically minded? 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:12.240 Totally motivated? 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:14.239 I think as I get a bit older, I get 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:16.800 a little more politically involved. I like to be politically 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:19.040 involved on a local level. I think that's kind of 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:24.200 what's missing, like in your house. Yeah, those neighborhood councils, right. 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:25.760 Are you on aunt? Are you on a city council 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:27.320 or somebody honest neighborhood? 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:29.200 Oh no, but I thought I wanted to be. I 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:31.679 wanted to get on my neighborhood council. And then I 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:35.760 pitched that idea to somebody a friend, and they were like, absolutely, 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:38.360 do not do that. It'll just it's it's still suck 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:40.720 your life away, which is a bummer. You know that 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:44.760 those jobs should be those positions should be fun desirable. 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:46.360 Yeah, no, no, no, for sure. 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:50.120 Uh like local getting involved in local government or local 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:52.840 like neighborhood sort of stuff is for a certain type 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:54.840 of individual, which is why you you end up with 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:56.680 a lot of really old people doing it, because it 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:58.680 is a huge time sock, I believe, And it's kind 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:01.520 of like the work is not very rewarding in a 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:03.520 lot of ways, and I don't think they even pay 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:06.680 or they pay very little. Yeah, my wife opened a 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:09.440 bookstore in our town, and I mean I helped a 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:10.080 little bit, but. 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:10.720 It's really hers. 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:12.240 And what did you do? 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:12.840 Well? 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:15.119 I built the shelves and I picked the wallpaper. And 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:18.599 she's become like a member of whatever the business you know, the. 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:22.560 Business alliance. Yeah, yeah, you know she has to go 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:23.960 to meeting this Yeah. 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:26.679 Yeah, it doesn't sound fun, I guess, but she enjoys 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:30.640 it because she likes she likes tedious shit, which is 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:34.080 why we're married. And she's and she's elderly, she's she's 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:36.599 also eighty five years old, and so that's really helpful, 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:39.480 right for her she got a blody of time and 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:40.400 nowhere to go. 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:44.320 Okay, So so you have an Emmy, is that right? Yeah? 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:44.800 Yeah, I do. 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:47.080 You worked on Rick and Morty. 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:49.400 Yeah, well I'm currently working on Rick and Morty. I 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:51.039 mean not currently because we're on strike. 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:52.240 Oh right, well ha I. 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:53.480 We're going to get to the strike because there's a 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:55.400 lot of talk about there. But first I want to 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:57.600 I want to explore your your Emmy wins. How many 0:04:57.600 --> 0:04:58.320 Emmys do you have? 0:04:59.160 --> 0:04:59.400 Well? 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:03.400 Now one and I have what I won one and 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:06.159 I've lost one Emmy and I'm up for not me. 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:08.080 The show's up for an Emmy, but I'm included in 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:10.200 the ship one. I mean I got one. Yeah, as 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:12.400 a as a as a producer. So I'm an EP. 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:15.920 I'm executive producer on Rick and Morty. Now at the time, 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:20.440 I was some lower producer, but I still made the cut, you. 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:22.520 Know, executive producer. That's pretty big deal. 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:25.800 That's a big that is uh, it's one of the 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:27.919 big ones. And let me tell you it's it's just 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:30.680 it's all it's all in a name. 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:33.080 You don't actually do anything. 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:36.919 No, no, I don't do anything. Yeah, no, no, you know, 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:39.120 I watched cuts and we look at edits and I've 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:43.159 written songs. You're a song producer. Now I'm a song producer. 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:43.680 Are you really? 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:46.640 Mm hmm. That's great because I like to put songs 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:48.359 in my episodes and then I get it and like 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:51.479 write him with the Ryan Elder, who's our composer. He 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:53.479 does really all the hard musical lifting, and I just 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:55.120 write silly lyrics and the melodies. 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:57.800 Right, that's the best. That's that's like, uh, that's led 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:00.040 Zeppelin right there. It's like John Paul Jones was, I 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:01.800 mean all the hard work, like you know, Jimmy Page 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:03.359 is right in the riffs. And then Robert Plant was 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:05.679 just like, I'm gonna write about Lord of the Rings. 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:07.920 Is that cool? Like I'm gonna do a song about 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:08.920 Lord of the Rings. I don't know if you know 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:11.120 much about led zeppam they have several songs about Lord 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:11.640 of the Rings. 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:14.279 Uh oh yeah, because like Lord of the Rings was 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:17.080 kind of big for like metal, like rock and roll, 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:22.080 right extra they were mystical guys. 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:24.680 I mean he you know Robert Plant, he talks about 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:27.800 Golam in one of the uh and Gollum or whatever 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:30.800 the guy's name is from Gollum. He references him by 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:33.880 name and at least one song if not uh, and 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:37.279 he talks about Mordor like specifically. It's actually really funny 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:40.240 when you think about it, like, uh, like you would 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:42.400 hear a song on the radio these days that just 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:43.840 like specifically talking about. 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:45.640 Lord of the Rings, like characters and Lord of the Rings. 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:48.200 It's like a band today, did it did a song 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:51.120 about like the Rings of Power on amzok? Yeah? 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:54.560 Right, there's no history of this yet. When you think 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:57.200 about led Zeppan though, they were like so sexy. People 0:06:57.200 --> 0:06:59.720 were like these fuck, I'll fuck these guys no matter what, 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:01.000 Like how do I get to them? I want to 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:03.160 have sex with Robert Planting And meanwhile he's like on 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:07.599 stage literally fucking singing about the biggest nerd shit that 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:10.720 it's the hugest turn off for most people, like literally 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:12.760 name checking characters from the Lord of the Rings. But 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:15.480 it's like it's it's a weird it's a weird it 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:16.720 was weird time in the world. 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:19.080 That was a time too in nerdship was nerd shit 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:20.960 like nerd yeah, feet up, no. 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:23.400 No, no, this was like in the seventies, like like 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:25.680 Lord of the Rings was not cool in the seventies, 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:28.440 like like, I mean, I'm not even sure it's cool now, Like, 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:29.520 to be honest. 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:31.480 With you, it's just like it's become popular enough. But yeah, 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:32.080 very strange. 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:35.560 Anyhow, Uh so we were talking at the fuck were we? 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:39.920 Oh your Emmys? Okay, so we're talking about you writing 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:41.960 songs in order to get Emmys. 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:44.920 Uh. You don't get Emmys for songwriting though, do you? 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:45.000 No? 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:47.480 But I want to That did great, they get a Grammy. 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:50.600 But so when Ricky Marty won one year, it was 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:52.960 a zoom Emmys. It was like the pandemic Emmys. 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:53.920 Oh that sucks. I'm sorry. 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:56.160 Yeah, yeah, no, it's I mean, congratulations but no. But 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:57.440 yeah it's also great, right. 0:07:57.360 --> 0:07:58.560 I mean you still got the Emmys. 0:07:58.600 --> 0:07:59.160 Okay, yemmy. 0:07:59.240 --> 0:07:59.480 Yeah. 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:01.960 It to my house months later and I had to 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:04.680 watch it on a laptop screen. But the day of 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:07.840 the Emmys, I was actually recording a podcast with my 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:11.120 friend Nick Turner. Oh my god, who was like, well, 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:12.640 all we're going to do is we're going to go 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:16.480 metal detecting at the beach and I was like that 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:18.480 should be fine. We should be done by the time 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:21.560 the Emmys start. And we were metal detecting and I 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:23.720 texted one of the other producers like, hey, so, what 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:26.000 time do the Emmys start, and like when are we up? 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:29.480 And he wrote back, I was probably wearing a tank 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:31.960 top in short and I'm like a, you know, like 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:35.600 a panama hat and I was metal detecting and Santa Monica. 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:39.760 And he replies immediately they started right now, and we're 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:43.120 the first one up, like we're the very first award. 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:45.640 And so I told Nick and Nick I was like, guys, 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:47.800 I am sorry, we have to I have to go 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:51.040 to their credit. They were like, oh Jesus, of course absolutely. 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:52.880 And then we all piled in the car and zipped 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:57.520 across town and somehow found like a live stream of 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:00.520 the Emmys on one of our phones. And when we 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:02.760 pulled it up, the first thing we saw was Dan Harmon, 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:05.640 one of the creators of Rick and Morty, was giving 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:10.199 his pre recorded acceptance speech. Oh, and we were like, 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:13.120 I think we won. Maybe we won, or I was like, 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:15.920 we don't know. Maybe they also show the losers pre 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:19.480 recorded acceptance speeches because it's the pandemic really cruel. 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:23.199 Actually, like we got to fill time, like just everybody record. 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:25.120 We don't know who's gonna win. Everybody record up. We 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:27.640 need speech though, and then we'll just show them all. 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:31.319 Well that's I mean, they somebody has access to all 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:35.000 of these videos. Everybody had to record a speech Academy. 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:37.800 They couldn't cut. They couldn't cut live to to Dan 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:39.359 like speaking. 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:42.120 That would have been way more fun. It was pre recorded. Yeah, 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:44.240 it was probably a live host, but you know, I 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:46.680 mean it was, but anyway, it was not. It wasn't 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:49.040 as glamorous of an event as you would hope. 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:51.079 So you haven't won an Emmy in person, that's what 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:51.439 you're saying. 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:54.640 I lost an Emmy in person, though, is it not 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:59.040 the same? Who did you lose to? The animation category 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:02.479 is odd? So we lost to an hour long Netflix 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:06.640 anime drama. Oh that is like all cgi and it's 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:08.679 very pretty, but it's a drama. It's like, how do 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:13.040 you put like a very nihilistic comedy, half hour comedy 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:15.720 against an hour long drama. 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:16.360 You know? 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:18.080 And so this year, so we lost, and we was 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:21.360 very upsetting. And this year we're also up against Netflix again. 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:26.280 The Netflix show quote unquote is a full feature length 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:29.440 animated movie, which is not even a show. I don't know, 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:31.120 I don't know, I don't know, I should know. 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:33.079 A hit or miss over there. You never know, it 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:34.600 could be one of the bad ones. Maybe you've got 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:37.520 a good chance. Maybe they maybe they're nominating shit. You know, 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:40.400 that does seem unfair, Like why put a show against 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:40.839 the movie? 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:41.360 First off? 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:44.600 That feels like I think the animation category is mature 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:47.520 enough that you could have like subcategories, right, you could 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:49.840 have like there should be animated comedy, you could have 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:54.360 animated drama. You could do like, Yeah, I feel like 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:57.040 movies and shows should not go against each other. I 0:10:57.040 --> 0:11:00.040 think that's like a totally weird I think it's the 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:02.080 very least you'd separate those out. 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:04.839 You know, I don't want to be a you know, right, 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:07.840 it's fun, but you want that I want that Emmy, 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:10.200 of course. Yeah, what's better than one Emmy? Two Emmys? 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:15.320 But we're also in the we're in the Creative Arts Emmys, oh, 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:18.720 which is like the week before the televised big fun Emmys. 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:21.760 It's fucking that's so wild, Like they're not even like 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:23.320 that you guys get to be part of like the 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:24.120 regular Emmys. 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:25.920 You guys are like a special effect. Is that the 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:27.880 idea you're like sound design, that's. 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:30.800 Exactly right, it's exactly right. We're like sound engineers and stuff, 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:32.760 and all these are critical jobs. I'm not poopoing these. 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:34.959 Jobs, no, but it's just it's just like you're creating 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:36.640 a TV show as much as anybody else's. 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:38.000 It just happens to be animated. 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:40.079 Yeah, right, And it's like you know, it's always against 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:42.760 Simpsons and Bob's Burger. It's all these legacy shows, right, 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:46.400 and it's it's in between like best Animal Handler. 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:49.240 Right, in a way, there's an argument, there is an 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:53.600 argument that should those shows just be in the regular category, 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:56.240 not even animated, like just the quality of the show. 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:58.600 Who cares about the format? I mean, who cares about 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:02.520 whether it's a drawn these people are drawn? Or I mean, 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:04.040 I don't know, that's a tough That would be tough though, right, 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:06.840 because then you'd be up against like a better call Saul. Yeah, 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:08.920 I'm sure, well no, because that's isn't that an hour 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:10.959 long drama? You wouldn't those aren't all like you don't 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:13.160 put a sitcom against the drama. Don't they have categories 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:13.560 for those? 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:15.080 I know nothing about it. 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:17.800 Everything I'm talking about the animated categories is there. The 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:21.319 category is just anything that's drawma. Yeah, well see, I know. 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:22.800 I guess I have been out of touch with the 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:23.160 m is. 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:23.720 I actually think. 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:27.120 Award shows are should be banned. I think they're bad 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:29.920 for society. But I'm glad that you won an Emmy. 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:31.960 I'm very I'm happy for you, But I also think 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:35.160 that the fundamental idea of the Emmy is bad. 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:39.320 For weren't they initially went the oscars at least initially 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:40.760 like a union busting thing. 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:42.320 That sounds right to me. 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:44.800 Maybe we should know this right now because we're at 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:48.760 a critical juncture. I'm sure for you have probably several 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:51.319 unions that you're striking with right now. 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:55.080 Right Yeah, I'm striking with sag After and WJA, I'm 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:55.800 double striking. 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:57.680 Do you are you all on one picket line or 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:00.640 do you google across town like to another picket line 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:02.520 for the like the actors. 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:04.600 Now, they it's all it's all mixed. It's like a 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:07.760 big mixer. And it was nice when the acting when 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:10.000 zag got involved, because they brought a lot of energy 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:13.000 to the picket line. But they also love the sag 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:17.200 After a crew really loves doing picket line karaoke. Who 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:19.720 and I feel like we should be a little more 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:20.680 stoic out there. 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:23.240 No, no, nothing. Nobody should be seemingly having fun. It 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:23.800 should be. 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:25.360 People should be they've made it a party. 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:28.000 Yeah, I mean in a way, I mean, I know 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:30.559 it is very wrong for whoever cut back those trees 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:32.560 to not provide shade for people. But in a way, 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:36.079 I think sweating in the heat with your picket sign 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:40.680 shows the struggle. You know, it makes the struggle look more. 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:43.280 But we're willing to will fight. Yeah you don't. I 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:45.560 actually think you're gonna you lose people. I'm not telling 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:47.200 anybody how to strike, by the way, as a person 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:51.440 who's never been on strike, I shouldn't really comment on it, 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:53.320 but I just feel like you want people to see 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:57.040 uh suffering. You want people to feel like that there's 0:13:57.120 --> 0:13:59.440 pain being inflicted on you. In a way, yeah, you. 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:01.839 Want to look like a dust bowl like food line. 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:03.880 Yeah, I would, if anything, I would have to get 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:04.920 those actors dressing up. 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:07.319 They probably have costumes laying around. I would assume. 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:10.520 Absolutely, like they should all be in like nineteen twenties, 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:13.319 like fucking Woody Guthrie shit like out there. 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:16.079 Right, like patch elbows on their peers and. 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:19.160 The fucking thing like their their picket sign should be 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:21.720 on that whatever those things are that are batable. 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:22.960 What are they called. 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:26.040 It's a bindle, the like a little handkerchief filled with 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:29.640 yeah you're good, yeah for a train jumping. 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:30.240 Yeah. 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:33.440 I think I think they're missing opunity all about this 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:37.200 you toodle podcast, right, I figure. I think I think 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:40.720 they're missing an opportunity to actually uh engage in their 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:43.640 craft in a way like, don't go out there and 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:48.000 sing fucking songs. Go out and pretend to be a 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:52.160 nineteen twenties striker, you know, cover yourself an oil or 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:52.800 something and. 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:54.600 Be like, rather, can't you spare a dime? 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:54.920 Yeah? 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:56.680 Yes, you know, I mean it is. 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:59.440 It is tough because like obviously there's these huge strikes 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:02.040 going on, and clearly, I mean from my money, and 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:05.400 I'm not an expert on anything, but seems like the 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:07.920 studios are in the wrong here on a bunch of 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:10.120 different levels. And it feels like some of the some 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:12.480 of the gives that are required would in no way 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:15.920 damage their actual businesses in any meaningful manner. 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:18.520 It seems that way, you know, at least infographics. 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:20.680 I see, I see all that shit, and it's like, oh, 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:22.760 this would be like less than one percent of their 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:25.280 total profit to like fix these problems or some shit 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:25.520 like that. 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:26.800 Yeah, yeah, it's like nothing. 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:29.800 I mean, you know writers and actors. That sounds like 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:31.920 a luxury gig. I think there's a there is a 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:35.920 thing that happens with the creative arts. Obviously it provides 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:37.960 a huge amount of things to the rest of society. 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:40.040 But also, like these are real jobs. Not everybody is 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:42.320 like Brad Pitt, Like there are people who just have 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:45.080 like day jobs. They have the bike, like fucking less 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:47.720 than minimum wage or whatever. Essentially, like if you add 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:49.680 it all up, like just do not everybody is a 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:51.760 super huge success, right, Like they're just working. 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:54.360 Yeah. I think that the consensus is like, oh, you've 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:57.280 been on TV once, you're a millionaire. Yeah, and that 0:15:57.400 --> 0:15:58.800 is far far from the truth. 0:15:58.880 --> 0:15:59.960 I mean when I was a kid, I used to 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:02.800 think if you were on TV, it was like you 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:05.080 were famous, like you had made it. 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:06.160 Like if you went on too. 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:09.080 I think it might have been more like that. Well 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:12.160 a there was like four shows on TV, four channels, 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:15.120 four shows, yeah, and they just played constantly. But now 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:17.840 with the streamers everything, I mean, these these points have 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:20.920 been poured over many times and I'm not going to 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:23.920 do any favors to them. So I think now it's 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:26.480 the market is so flooded and there's so many things, 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:30.160 and there's new media contracts and there's streaming contracts right right, 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:32.680 and it's so the pay has gone down and residuals 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:35.560 are kind of non existent because everything's streaming. And for 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:38.000 whatever reason, when they sorted out the streaming stuff, all 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:40.000 the unions were kind of like, yeah, whatever, we'll we'll 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:42.520 just figure it out down the line, right, And now 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:43.960 we're like, wait a second. 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:45.760 It's probably like not that big of a deal. I mean, 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:47.840 it's always like this. I mean, this has happened, you 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:50.200 know in media, like in news media. It was like 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:52.520 when Google started. But he was like, hm, that could 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:53.920 be a problem. They were like this is a cute 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:56.880 little thing that the nerds are messing around with. Like hey, YouTube, 0:16:57.200 --> 0:16:59.360 that's not a problem. That's not a threat to us, right. 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:02.280 YouTube was like huh, that could be a thing. But 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:05.080 that's the difference between you know, the people who make 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:08.080 those things and the legacy whatever people who are like yeah, 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:11.360 we're we'll our business will never be threatened, nothing will 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:13.480