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Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to What Future.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Josh Wazapolski, and today I got to

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Speaker 2: say we've got a banger of an episode. I'm very

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Speaker 2: excited about it. In fact, it's such a great conversation

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Speaker 2: that I don't even want to waste time telling you

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Speaker 2: about how great it's going to be. I don't want

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Speaker 2: to sit here and ramble, because you should just listen

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Speaker 2: to it.

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Speaker 1: You should just hear it.

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Speaker 2: I had the rare and wonderful opportunity to talk to

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Speaker 2: the actor, comedian, writer Nicholas Rutherford Nick Rutherford if you

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Speaker 2: want to, If you want to go by his more

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Speaker 2: casual name, he's an executive producer. I'm Rick and Morty

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Speaker 2: and a super smart, funny guy. And we had a

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Speaker 2: killer conversation and I want to get right into it,

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Speaker 2: So let's go Rutherford. Am I saying that right? Your

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Speaker 2: name is pronounced Rutherford Nick Rutherford Topolski is correct. According

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Speaker 2: to your Wikipedia page, which you have, you're an actor,

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Speaker 2: a comedian, a writer, and a co founder of the

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Speaker 2: Sketch comedy group Good neighbor.

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Speaker 1: But are you a Patriot? That's what I'd like to know.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, I think I'm the best type of

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Speaker 3: patriot at patriot who holds his country's feet to the fire. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know, patriot who asked the questions that a lot

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Speaker 3: of patriots don't like. For instance, Yeah, for instance, what

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Speaker 3: is arbor Day?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? What is arbor Day?

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Speaker 2: I think that's a solebration of trees, right, Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I assume so. But I mean arbor is like, are like,

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Speaker 2: that's a tree thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think if you're like an arbor rist, you're

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Speaker 3: a tree scientist.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's look at them. What is arbor Day?

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Speaker 3: So it's tree Day? So isn't it's an Earth Day,

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Speaker 3: doesn't covered trees.

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Speaker 2: It's a secular day of observance which individuals and groups

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Speaker 2: are encouraged to plant trees.

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Speaker 1: Is it a national holiday? Might be? Yeah, it's national

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Speaker 1: arbor Day.

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Speaker 3: It's not a government holiday. We don't get work offs

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Speaker 1: They don't give you off for it.

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Speaker 2: They don't give you don't give you a day off

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Speaker 2: to plant a tree. That would be That's the kind

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Speaker 2: of thing that Republicans talk about as like the end

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Speaker 2: state of liberals. Of what liberals want is they're going

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Speaker 2: to stop you from working so you can go out

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Speaker 2: and plant a tree. That's like a that's like a

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Speaker 2: conservative nightmare scenario.

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Speaker 3: You know, you don't get worse worst case the.

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Speaker 2: Worst scenarios you have to like forced to take off

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Speaker 2: work and go plant a tree by you know, liberals anyhow. Yeah, Also,

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Speaker 2: we don't have to talk about politics. I don't even

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Speaker 2: missed up on my part. But now you led it

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I did.

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Speaker 2: That's my fucking that's my fault. Are you a very

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Speaker 2: political person? Do you feel politically minded?

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Speaker 1: Totally motivated?

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Speaker 3: I think as I get a bit older, I get

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Speaker 3: a little more politically involved. I like to be politically

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Speaker 3: involved on a local level. I think that's kind of

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Speaker 3: what's missing, like in your house. Yeah, those neighborhood councils, right.

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Speaker 2: Are you on aunt? Are you on a city council

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Speaker 2: or somebody honest neighborhood?

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Speaker 3: Oh no, but I thought I wanted to be. I

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Speaker 3: wanted to get on my neighborhood council. And then I

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Speaker 3: do not do that. It'll just it's it's still suck

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Speaker 3: those jobs should be those positions should be fun desirable.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, no, for sure.

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Speaker 2: Uh like local getting involved in local government or local

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Speaker 1: It's really hers.

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Speaker 3: And what did you do?

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Speaker 2: I built the shelves and I picked the wallpaper. And

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't sound fun, I guess, but she enjoys

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Speaker 2: it because she likes she likes tedious shit, which is

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Speaker 2: why we're married. And she's and she's elderly, she's she's

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Speaker 2: right for her she got a blody of time and

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Speaker 1: Okay, So so you have an Emmy, is that right? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do.

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Speaker 1: You worked on Rick and Morty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well I'm currently working on Rick and Morty. I

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Speaker 3: mean not currently because we're on strike.

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Speaker 1: Oh right, well ha I.

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Speaker 2: We're going to get to the strike because there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of talk about there. But first I want to

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Speaker 2: I want to explore your your Emmy wins. How many

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Speaker 2: Emmys do you have?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 3: Now one and I have what I won one and

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Speaker 3: I've lost one Emmy and I'm up for not me.

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Speaker 3: The show's up for an Emmy, but I'm included in

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Speaker 3: the ship one. I mean I got one. Yeah, as

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Speaker 3: a as a as a producer. So I'm an EP.

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Speaker 3: I'm executive producer on Rick and Morty. Now at the time,

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Speaker 3: I was some lower producer, but I still made the cut, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, executive producer. That's pretty big deal.

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Speaker 3: That's a big that is uh, it's one of the

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Speaker 3: big ones. And let me tell you it's it's just

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Speaker 3: it's all it's all in a name.

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Speaker 1: You don't actually do anything.

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Speaker 3: No, no, I don't do anything. Yeah, no, no, you know,

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Speaker 3: I watched cuts and we look at edits and I've

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Speaker 3: written songs. You're a song producer. Now I'm a song producer.

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Speaker 1: Are you really?

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm. That's great because I like to put songs

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Speaker 3: write him with the Ryan Elder, who's our composer. He

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Speaker 2: Right, that's the best. That's that's like, uh, that's led

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Speaker 2: just like, I'm gonna write about Lord of the Rings.

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Speaker 2: Lord of the Rings. I don't know if you know

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Speaker 2: much about led zeppam they have several songs about Lord

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Speaker 3: Uh oh yeah, because like Lord of the Rings was

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Speaker 3: right extra they were mystical guys.

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Speaker 2: I mean he you know Robert Plant, he talks about

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Speaker 2: he talks about Mordor like specifically. It's actually really funny

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Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings, like characters and Lord of the Rings.

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Speaker 3: It's like a band today, did it did a song

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Speaker 3: about like the Rings of Power on amzok? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Right, there's no history of this yet. When you think

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Speaker 2: have sex with Robert Planting And meanwhile he's like on

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Speaker 3: That was a time too in nerdship was nerd shit

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Speaker 2: No, no, this was like in the seventies, like like

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Speaker 2: Anyhow, Uh so we were talking at the fuck were we?

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Speaker 2: Oh your Emmys? Okay, so we're talking about you writing

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Speaker 1: Uh. You don't get Emmys for songwriting though, do you?

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Speaker 3: But I want to That did great, they get a Grammy.

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Speaker 3: his pre recorded acceptance speech. Oh, and we were like,

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Speaker 2: Actually, like we got to fill time, like just everybody record.

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Speaker 2: We don't know who's gonna win. Everybody record up. We

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Speaker 3: Well that's I mean, they somebody has access to all

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Speaker 3: For weren't they initially went the oscars at least initially

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Speaker 2: Maybe we should know this right now because we're at

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Speaker 1: No, no, nothing. Nobody should be seemingly having fun. It

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would, if anything, I would have to get

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Speaker 2: The fucking thing like their their picket sign should be

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Speaker 2: I think I think they're missing opunity all about this

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Speaker 3: Be like, rather, can't you spare a dime?

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Speaker 3: I mean it's tough. I'm really curious what you think

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Speaker 3: the temperature is of the public perception outside of the

439
00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:54,000
Speaker 3: entertainment industry, because it's tough being within it. Yeah, you know,

440
00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,879
Speaker 3: my echo chamber is just like why won't they just

441
00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,359
Speaker 3: give up one point six percent of their like end

442
00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,320
Speaker 3: of the line propuit fits and to satisfy everybody? Yeah,

443
00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,199
Speaker 3: but I wonder, like the are the average strange or things? Fan?

444
00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,440
Speaker 3: Are they just like, what's when's the next season coming?

445
00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:08,280
Speaker 3: Get back to work?

446
00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:10,119
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. They're not. They're not.

447
00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,360
Speaker 2: I don't think they consider it. I don't think they're like, hey,

448
00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:14,800
Speaker 2: what happened? But then when does the I guess that's

449
00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:16,720
Speaker 2: the question. With all this abundance, I mean, this is

450
00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:18,119
Speaker 2: sort of the part of the problem, right, Like this

451
00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:22,960
Speaker 2: huge abundance of content means that you basically like never

452
00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,679
Speaker 2: feel like you're running out and like is there this

453
00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,080
Speaker 2: thing is a thing happening now, where like before it

454
00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,760
Speaker 2: would have stopped TV, would have stopped film, Like, but

455
00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,919
Speaker 2: there's so much shit that's just like accumulated on these

456
00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,080
Speaker 2: streaming services and in the on these you know, the

457
00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,639
Speaker 2: shelves of a Disney or whatever, that people don't feel

458
00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,439
Speaker 2: it the way they used to write, like, you know,

459
00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,359
Speaker 2: like it's like all this shit's going on. And then

460
00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,440
Speaker 2: there's like Barbie and Oppenheimer, the two biggest like films

461
00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:51,600
Speaker 2: of the year that seem to be totally outside of

462
00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:55,920
Speaker 2: this reality of striking or whatever. You know, Like, yeah,

463
00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,840
Speaker 2: presumably all of the people who worked on those movies,

464
00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:02,879
Speaker 2: who wrote for and acted in them are all striking, right,

465
00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:04,960
Speaker 2: they are members of these unions.

466
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Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, And also like probably not supposed to promote it.

467
00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:10,879
Speaker 3: I think that I think Barbie came out pre SAG strike.

468
00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,119
Speaker 3: I don't remember for sure, but like you know, Margot,

469
00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:14,960
Speaker 3: Robbie and Gosling are going to go out and promote

470
00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,000
Speaker 3: the movie of course, right, but it is a weird thing.

471
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Speaker 3: It's a hard thing to celebrate this great film when

472
00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,959
Speaker 3: we're also fighting for viable existences and trying to like

473
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Speaker 3: pave a path forward for other people to enter this industry.

474
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Speaker 3: And the saddest thing is, like, you know, within the

475
00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:33,239
Speaker 3: Rick and Morty world, within my bubble, there's people are

476
00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,680
Speaker 3: getting let go every day, people who aren't in WJ

477
00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:37,679
Speaker 3: and aren't in SAG. But it's like, well, we're not

478
00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,720
Speaker 3: in production, we're not writing new episodes, and we don't

479
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,560
Speaker 3: need this production coordinator, so good luck. We have hope

480
00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:45,720
Speaker 3: to see you when it comes back.

481
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Speaker 1: And all the industries that are attached to like making

482
00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,159
Speaker 1: this stuff presumably are getting eviscerated right now.

483
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Speaker 3: Right absolutely, But I mean to the other side, it's

484
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,720
Speaker 3: an absolute, necessary, critical strike, and I do like that

485
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Speaker 3: it feels like we're part of a larger labor movement

486
00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:04,720
Speaker 3: now and standing up against these like big giant conglomerates

487
00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,320
Speaker 3: and being and doing so successfully, you know, they had

488
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,080
Speaker 3: the ups strike, which is like settled in a day. Yeah,

489
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,040
Speaker 3: I think there's like a like airline attendance are now

490
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,480
Speaker 3: or like now kind of mustering up. I think that

491
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,879
Speaker 3: all of the animators who do s like special effects

492
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 3: for Marvel movies have basically going to strike and say no,

493
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Speaker 3: we want to unionize too. And I think that's great,

494
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 3: the fact that it's like becoming you know, whatever, we'll

495
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Speaker 3: we'll get a better deal at the end of the day.

496
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Speaker 3: But I hope it also opens the conversation up for

497
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Speaker 3: other people to be like, yeah, well we should have

498
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,159
Speaker 3: a better deal too, What the hell's going on? And

499
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Speaker 3: I think that's happening.

500
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Speaker 1: You know.

501
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Speaker 2: It's funny, like I come from a family of like socialists,

502
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:42,800
Speaker 2: like Jews.

503
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,480
Speaker 1: Like my great aunt was like a labor organizer.

504
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,000
Speaker 2: You know. They were like, oh that's cool, you know

505
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,399
Speaker 2: she had like lunch with Trotsky, but she was like,

506
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 2: you know, like they moved from like Ukraine to Pittsburgh

507
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,440
Speaker 2: and was like, you know, helped to start like a

508
00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,119
Speaker 2: you know space, like a socialist labor group whatever. So

509
00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 2: like I get like, I get this, and it's easy

510
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 2: interesting because like it is there's a there is a

511
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,439
Speaker 2: bit of a frame in America for sure, especially in

512
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,640
Speaker 2: America that like unions are evil and unions are bad.

513
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,400
Speaker 2: It's like people have bought the line of the corporations

514
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,640
Speaker 2: and like, I don't like grudge a corporation for making

515
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,160
Speaker 2: a lot of money, but I think when you see

516
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:21,120
Speaker 2: the fucking disparity, you know, the pandemic was really interesting

517
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 2: where it's like Amazon's like there, it's just being so

518
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,199
Speaker 2: much money is being accumulated there while everybody else is

519
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 2: like eating shit, and it's like, yeah, this feels wrong,

520
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,159
Speaker 2: Like it feels like there's some disparity and how do

521
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 2: you how do you balance it?

522
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Speaker 1: How do you ever balance it? And the only way

523
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Speaker 1: that anybody has to balance.

524
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,639
Speaker 2: It is like is collective action now because it's because

525
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 2: they are these corporations are so massive and have so

526
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 2: much power and so much money that it's impossible to

527
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,720
Speaker 2: to really, like on a one to one level, affect

528
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 2: anything that they do. And like I think it's amazing,

529
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Speaker 2: Like I love the fact that people are I don't

530
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 2: love the people are striking, Like people shouldn't have to strike.

531
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Speaker 1: But right, yeah, the ups that's.

532
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Speaker 3: Interesting, you basically was interesting, like and picketting is exciting.

533
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,639
Speaker 3: You know, it's fun. I don't know, it feels really

534
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 3: fun to be a part and that's such a pervilect

535
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 3: thing to say, Oh, it's fun to be a part

536
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 3: of a labor right now or a labor movement. But

537
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,920
Speaker 3: I mean, like you see people activating on the street,

538
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 3: you run into all these old friends, everybody's walking in

539
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,159
Speaker 3: the miserable, miserable heat. It's a cool thing to be

540
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 3: a part of, and it's important. And you know, nobody's

541
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,919
Speaker 3: going to get Stranger Things season six or whatever it is,

542
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,400
Speaker 3: well until they start paying people.

543
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 2: Well, you know, but it's also part of this. I

544
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 2: think there's this just overwhelming amount of content. Like I

545
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 2: just think there was a time when, I mean, when

546
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 2: the Stranger Things began, there actually were not that many

547
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 2: shows being produced by Netflix, you know, like it I mean,

548
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 2: I don't know how many years ago it was, but

549
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 2: it was, you know a handful of things were coming

550
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 2: out of Netflix, not like a new show every day.

551
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,400
Speaker 2: And now we just have this not just Netflix, it's

552
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 2: like all of these services just feel like they have

553
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 2: so over indexed on content and so much of it

554
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,119
Speaker 2: is like really mediocre. You know.

555
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,239
Speaker 3: The other thing that's happening, which is really wild and

556
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:08,959
Speaker 3: disheartening is and it's basically legal insurance fraud. So this

557
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 3: guy's Zaslov, who is like now the CEO of Warner

558
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 3: Brothers Warner Universal, which is basically owns everything everybody loves.

559
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 3: So what they're doing just to like clear their bottom

560
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 3: line and look better is they are taking existing shows

561
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 3: that are available to stream and they're erasing them from existence.

562
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,679
Speaker 3: So they basically go to their insurance company because they

563
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 3: have insurance on all these shows, and they say this

564
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 3: was a wash. They totaled the car. They say, hey,

565
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 3: take the whole car. We're not going to fix it.

566
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,199
Speaker 3: We'll take our insurance back. So, like, you know, I

567
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 3: probably should say any of these numbers, but like we

568
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 3: made a show for Adult Swim, I want to say

569
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,679
Speaker 3: our full budget for the three seasons of it was

570
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 3: like twenty million something like that, and they're going to

571
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 3: wipe it from existence at the end of our Hulu contract.

572
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:54,959
Speaker 3: It'll just you won't be able to watch it anywhere.

573
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,199
Speaker 3: Check it on Pirate Bay. I know it's there, right.

574
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: What's it called.

575
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 3: It's called Dream Corp LLC, which was this hybrid animation

576
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 3: live action really beautiful show. But that's one example, and

577
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 3: it famously happened with Batgirl.

578
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bi Thata Girl's crazy.

579
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 2: They made an entire movie that would be like in

580
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 2: a large part of a franchise or whatever.

581
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 3: And then just wiped it and then they get back

582
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 3: a fraction of their budget and then they go, look

583
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 3: see here we go. And that's disheartening. Like you know

584
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 3: how many actors were in that and writers and creak

585
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 3: guys were like, I'm going to be a part of

586
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 3: this huge thing. There's definitely gonna be a Bad Girl too.

587
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy and Michael, I think Michael Keaton's in it,

588
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 2: Like yeah, I mean it probably wouldn't be great, but

589
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 2: like you know, like none of the DC movies seemed

590
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 2: that good to me, but it's probably like would be

591
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 2: fun to watch. And maybe that's I mean, maybe that's

592
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 2: the problem though, I mean, look at what's going on

593
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 2: out there, Like maybe we've got too much Bad Girl.

594
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 2: I mean I'm not agreeing with I'm not agreeing with

595
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 2: the Fat Cats, Okay, right, I'm just saying like, yeah,

596
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 2: it feels I mean, I almost think like the Barbie

597
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 2: Oppenheimer thing is an interesting It seems a little bit

598
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 2: more like, well, I don't know, it's tough, like Barbie's

599
00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 2: like based on a fucking doll, you know, like it's

600
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 2: based on literally like a toy.

601
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: And so I was like, well, maybe this franchise thing

602
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: is kind of over.

603
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 2: But but they do feel like more like works of

604
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 2: art then a lot of stuff that's put out into

605
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 2: the world these days, like a lot of these Like

606
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 2: it feels like Disney's not just on this, like they

607
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 2: just have to release more Marvel content.

608
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 3: It just feels like Marvel content or redo any animated film,

609
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 3: live action.

610
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that stuff is that stuff is so

611
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 1: bizarre to me. Yeah, yeah, it's weird.

612
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 2: So I want to talk about Rick and Morty for

613
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Speaker 2: a second. I have a couple of thoughts. How long

614
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 2: and how long have you been working on the show?

615
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 3: Not from the beginning, not from the beginning. I came

616
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 3: in like halfway through season four basically, okay, okay, and

617
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 3: we're season six aired most recently, and sevens is going

618
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 3: to come out eventually.

619
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Speaker 2: So so Rick and Morty is an interesting show in

620
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 2: that when I started watching it, I was like, you know, crying, laughing,

621
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 2: like I thought it was like one of the funniest

622
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 2: things I'd ever seen, and I'm like, this is so

623
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 2: fucking weird, Like it's a weird, weird show, and it

624
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 2: only got I feel like, especially in the first you know,

625
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 2: several of it. I don't think I've watched the last season,

626
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 2: but I've watched everything up until that certainly got progressively

627
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 2: more weird and obscure and sort of whatever. But here's

628
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 2: the thing that I find I'm gonna try to say

629
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 2: this in a way that doesn't sound insulting, because I

630
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 2: don't want I don't want to insult. I don't want

631
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 2: to sell you or anybody who's worked on it. Okay, Like,

632
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 2: I think it's really smart and really funny. I think,

633
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 2: you know, I think it crosses some lines that for

634
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 2: a lot of people are probably like they don't feel

635
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 2: comfortable where how those lines are crossed.

636
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: But that's like neither here nor there.

637
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 2: The thing that I find somewhat troubling about it is

638
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 2: like I feel like it became very popular with people.

639
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 2: I feel like they like it for reasons that are

640
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 2: different than the ones I like it for.

641
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: Yes, do you understand what I'm saying?

642
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 3: And like, yeah, I do. There's a vocal minority fan

643
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 3: base that's kind of in selly guys. Yeah, well because

644
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 3: the you know, the protagonist Rick is this like nothing matters,

645
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 3: get fucked up, have sex with everything, love isn't real.

646
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 3: Like there's like an angry teenager in that character that

647
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 3: people relate to.

648
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 2: Right, But it's sort of like a Rorshack, you know,

649
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 2: from Watchmen, Like actually there's a meme that's like Roshack

650
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 2: is my favorite superhero but like, yeah, you.

651
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: Know Roshack in the Watchman.

652
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 2: I don't know how familiar are with Watchmen, but you know, right,

653
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 2: so you know, he's a really fucked up character, like

654
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 2: really fucked up, and like all of the all the

655
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 2: all the superheroes, it's like kind of like identifying with

656
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 2: like the you know, like oh, like the comedian, he's awesome,

657
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 2: Like identifying with a character that's obviously super fucked up

658
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 2: and flawed, right, And it's I think like there's a

659
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 2: difference between like laughing alongsider or experiencing that person's story

660
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 2: versus like.

661
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: Being like I identify.

662
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 2: Is that what it is is like people these like

663
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 2: guys identifying with like like Rick, is that I think so?

664
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 3: I mean I think so. I think it's like enabling

665
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 3: you in a way, it's like, oh cool, I also

666
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 3: hate everything and I'm pissed with my life, so right,

667
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 3: like I'm going to get behind this guy. And you know,

668
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 3: like there was a lot of pushback, like the first,

669
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,479
Speaker 3: you know, any show, it had a small writer's room

670
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 3: at the beginning, and then like as it grew, they

671
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 3: got a larger writer's room and they hired you know,

672
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 3: a more diverse writer's room. And then the super like

673
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 3: reddit fans were like, oh, they ruined it because a

674
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 3: girl wrote this episode. And of course, I mean they're right,

675
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 3: girl wrote Pickle Rick, stupid asshole, Like no, no, no,

676
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 3: the girl.

677
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 2: If a girl writes an episode, it's automatically bad content.

678
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean no, Yeah.

679
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 2: It's like it's like it's sort of in a way

680
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 2: like it kind of I don't say ruined the show

681
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 2: for me, but there is an element where like I'm

682
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 2: almost like, I don't it's like almost embarrassing to say

683
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 2: you like it.

684
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: I'm sorry again, I don't want to.

685
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 2: It's a fucking great show and it's really smart and funny.

686
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: I just want to be clear, like I think it's

687
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 2: like really one.

688
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: Of the most unique shows.

689
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 2: It's ever been made, and yet the fandom of it

690
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 2: has like can.

691
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 3: Be a turnoff.

692
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's created this weird sort of tension even within me.

693
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 2: I'm not saying like I can't be true to what

694
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 2: I love or whatever, but there's like a yeah, I

695
00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: mean is there I mean, does that ever? How much

696
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 2: does that come up like when you're working on it, Like,

697
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 2: I'm curious because it feels to me like it would

698
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 2: create a lot of self consciousness or maybe more self

699
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 2: consciousness about like the kinds of jokes you put in

700
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 2: or the way you write certain characters. I'm just curious, like,

701
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 2: is that ever a topic?

702
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think you know, everybody who writes on the

703
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 3: show that I've worked with for now for plus seasons

704
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 3: is like the funniest, smartest people. Everybody is. Everybody is

705
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 3: on the right side of history, and it's it's certainly

706
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 3: a consideration, you know. It's like, we want to be

707
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 3: true to the show, we want to be true to

708
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 3: the roots. It was a like, stick this big seed

709
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 3: up your ass, Morty, and I'm going to mistreat I'm

710
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 3: going to treat my grandson really badly because I want

711
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 3: to get laid by an alien. Like it's all problematic behavior.

712
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,239
Speaker 3: So you want to like recognize, like, hey, this is

713
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 3: not this is a flawed character, and this person needs

714
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 3: to grow. And we can't just start a new season

715
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 3: where he is now a feminist and now you know

716
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 3: it is is you can't like completely transform a character,

717
00:30:58,240 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 3: but you can also what we get to do is

718
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 3: that these characters grow and we get to explore the

719
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 3: other characters that and and these are the storylines that

720
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 3: are more interesting to me, more interesting to the people

721
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 3: in the room. And and I don't know, the fan

722
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 3: base is catching on and and and the last few

723
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,239
Speaker 3: seasons have been great, and yeah, it's a consideration to

724
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 3: some extent, but like it's also it's it's just the

725
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 3: people who are the loudest online and so.

726
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: Right, they always just trying to suck up everything for everything.

727
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, so for they get For every one guy who's like, oh,

728
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 3: I want to be like a Rick because he treats

729
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 3: women badly, there's like thirty people who were like, oh,

730
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 3: I think it's a fun, smart show that talks about

731
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 3: you know, that's really a family sitcom at his heart, and.

732
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 2: That I mean, yeah, yeah, yes, it has the dynamic

733
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 2: of a family sitcom with nothing that would ever work

734
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 2: for a family, say coom in a way.

735
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 3: And then when I first watched it too the same

736
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't know you could do this

737
00:31:49,200 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 3: on TV, like this is fun, Like okay.

738
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 2: Like I just want to be clear, like I love

739
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 2: the show, and I think one of the things that

740
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 2: I was always sort of I'm surprised by, and I

741
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 2: can't remember what season, maybe it was even in the

742
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 2: first season, like the arc of the season and the

743
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 2: way they have at least several seasons ended is like

744
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 2: quite emotional, like quite like dramatic in a way that

745
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 2: catches you off guard. And I think it's very rare

746
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 2: for a show that can be as it's you know,

747
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 2: it's sort of in the sphere of like a bo

748
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 2: Jack Horseman, Like there's a cerebralness to it that like

749
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 2: is sometimes expressed like purely in like the comedic, but

750
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 2: like often ends up being like pretty dramatic. And I think,

751
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's it's unique in that sense, and

752
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 2: it's like a really interesting and hilarious.

753
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: Work of art.

754
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 2: I just I wanted to ask about it because it's

755
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 2: something that like I feel like I think fandom in

756
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 2: general is really is really tricky lately, and I think that, like, yeah,

757
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 2: it almost goes back going back to the let Zeppelin

758
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 2: Lord of.

759
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 3: The Rigs thing, like it looks like good health.

760
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like that was a time when, yeah,

761
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 2: it to be into things that were nerdy was considered

762
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 2: very uncool and it was very unpopular. And not to

763
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 2: say that every nerd was awesome or whatever, but I

764
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 2: think that it meant that those people, I think, found

765
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 2: each other in a way that created real communities that

766
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 2: were like communities about people sharing things they love together.

767
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 2: And it feels like modern fandom is like almost this

768
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 2: like weaponized mutation of that, where it's like we are

769
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 2: a community not banding together to share in our love

770
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 2: of something, but banding together to like destroy anybody who

771
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 2: doesn't share in our love of this thing, which is

772
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 2: like your point about like the episode being written by

773
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 2: a woman and they're all like fucking pissed about it

774
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 2: or whatever. The idea that being a fan of something

775
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 2: could become so vitriolic and hateful just seems like a

776
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 2: total perversion of the concept.

777
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Well, I mean the classic like Rick and

778
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,959
Speaker 3: Morty superfan is like, oh, like, oh I love Rick

779
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 3: and Morty and someone's like, oh, I love Rick and

780
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 3: Morty too, and then that super fans like no, but

781
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 3: you don't get it, like I get it, like that

782
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,439
Speaker 3: it's a competition and who loves it the most, who

783
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 3: really understands it, Like it's too deep for you? Yeah, yeah,

784
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know where that comes from.

785
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 3: You know, it's a sign of our society. I guess

786
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,280
Speaker 3: that people are desperately trying to find something that's theirs,

787
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 3: that they could be a part of. Like I don't

788
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 3: know why we're not getting that in our interact. You know,

789
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 3: we've we've messed up somewhere that that people's whole identity

790
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 3: becomes Captain America, you know, I.

791
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: Look the whole thing.

792
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 2: And maybe Rick and Morty is a contributor to this,

793
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 2: although I would say on the higher end, like I

794
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 2: think we've all been like pretty heavily infantilized, like as adults,

795
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 2: Like I think we've all like the Star Wars should go,

796
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 2: Like Star Wars doesn't need to continue into like doesn't

797
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 2: need to be a part of your life forever, Like

798
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 2: it's possible that it could be a thing that you

799
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 2: love as like a teenager or as a kid or whatever,

800
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 2: and then like you move on to other two other

801
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 2: forms of like entertainment.

802
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 3: Or you know, you know rich polassical music.

803
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I don't fucking know, but like these

804
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: are something beyond Star Wars. Like what if you never

805
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 2: get out of Star Wars, but if you're stuck in

806
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 2: the loop and you're like now you're seeing solo and

807
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 2: you're like, well it's not that good, but like at

808
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 2: least I'm getting more Star Wars. You know, you get

809
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 2: stuck at these like tracks of like, Okay, now this

810
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 2: is a thing, and can't they just be like and

811
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 2: you're not gonna they're not making Oppenheimer two, you know,

812
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 2: like right, it's just not saying you know, I haven't

813
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 2: seen it yet, so maybe it's maybe it's not that good.

814
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,959
Speaker 3: But now they do set up a sequel at the end. Yeah,

815
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 3: there's a post credits scene where uh Nick Nick Frost,

816
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 3: I don't know who's the guy where the agents and

817
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 3: the fielder. Nick Fury comes over and like puts his

818
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 3: hand on Oppenheimer's shoulder and he's like, we're very interested

819
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 3: in the work you've done.

820
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 2: Oh my god, fucking I'm sorry, but I wish that

821
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 2: Christopher Nolan had been could could not take himself too

822
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 2: seriously to have done that, because it would be the

823
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 2: greatest fucking thing that ever happened in film history. Like,

824
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 2: I think you did a three hour movie about the

825
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 2: creation of the atomic bomb that was super fucking serious,

826
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 2: and then you had a post credits scene that like

827
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 2: linked it to the Marvel universe.

828
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: I mean, amazing, God, we need to make that scene.

829
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 2: Like they should hire the actors just to film that scene.

830
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely. I mean I think every movie, and the

831
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 3: far they're detached from the Marvel Universe, the better, should

832
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:27,439
Speaker 3: end with Nick Fury coming in and saying, we want

833
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 3: you to work for Shield.

834
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 2: I mean, it would have been just ultimate fucking synergy

835
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 2: with Barbie and Oppenheimer's if they had come up with

836
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 2: a post credit scene that somehow linked those universes together,

837
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 2: Like if.

838
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: Nick Fury had maybe shown up in both movies.

839
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 3: I want to introduce you to Yeah, exactly, exactly.

840
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 2: Oh fuck god, oh man, this is now I'm understanding

841
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 2: why you're into these creative fields. You've got great ideas,

842
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,439
Speaker 2: I mean, really good, Sead.

843
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 3: Just throw Fury and that's my pitch in the room.

844
00:36:58,520 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 3: All the time.

845
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you were you wrote for SNL for a

846
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: little while, is that correct?

847
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 3: Yeah? I did one season on SNL.

848
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:05,479
Speaker 1: One season.

849
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 2: Let's talk about But tell me about the horrific situation

850
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 2: that led to your dismissal at SNL.

851
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: Can we talk about this?

852
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 3: So I wish I wish it was exciting.

853
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:14,919
Speaker 1: Would you do to Lauren?

854
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't do anything. Maybe I didn't drink

855
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 3: the koolid enough, but I wish it was more exciting.

856
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 3: It like, it was very it was unceremonial. I just

857
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 3: my contract wasn't renewed and I found out like over

858
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 3: the summer. It was like, yeah, you're not going back.

859
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 3: And then they sent me. They sent me a giant

860
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 3: box that had everything that was in my office.

861
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 2: Oh that's sufficient. It's nice that you guys they take

862
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 2: the summer off to fire people.

863
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: They're like yeah, yeah.

864
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 2: Lauren was like, you know what I like to do

865
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 2: is if everybody leaves and then we can just pick

866
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 2: who we don't like and send them their shit.

867
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: That's smart.

868
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 3: Hey, then we talked shit about them behind their back.

869
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 2: I mean most businesses, you have to do it like

870
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 2: you have to bring the person into like an HR

871
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 2: conversation and then they like somebody escorts them out of

872
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 2: the building like this is it's way cleaning to do

873
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 2: it that way?

874
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, you just doesn't bother What do you think?

875
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: What is it? Like?

876
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 2: You didn't have like a you didn't come up with

877
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 2: like a character or something like somebody with a catchphrase

878
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 2: like what is what do you think?

879
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: Like you Knowteria is?

880
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 3: It's been so far from it. I mean I didn't

881
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 3: get a lot of stuff on the show. I don't

882
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 3: know if the show really is my bag of humor,

883
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 3: so my strengths I don't think really played to the

884
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 3: show's strengths.

885
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: Like it's to mainstream too. Yeah, it's a little juvenile.

886
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 3: I probably I don't think I could talk about this

887
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 3: well maybe.

888
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 1: I mean these are my words.

889
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 3: You're not here?

890
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 1: What are they gona they're gonna rehire you?

891
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, they probably won't invite me to the

892
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 3: fiftieth anniversary party, which you know you want.

893
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: To go out. That's gonna be sick.

894
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure back to both Manning brothers at the

895
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 3: fortieth anniversary party.

896
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 2: Uh okay, it took me a second because I'm not

897
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 2: a sports guy. You're talking about there, but.

898
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning is one, and then I want to.

899
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 3: Say, oh, you lie, I was gonna say like I

900
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 3: was gonna say, like Chuck Manning. I wrote on the

901
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 3: fortieth season. So it was a big year. Yeah, And

902
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 3: then they had a big giant anniversary show where like

903
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 3: Steve Martin, Bill Murray everybody came back and they like

904
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,240
Speaker 3: that week. They were like, hey, you guys are new writers,

905
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 3: so you don't have to come in at all this week.

906
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 3: And it was like, oh that sucks, Like okay, well thanks.

907
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 3: They're like the best, best in the bridest, not you guys,

908
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 3: not you guys. We're going to do like more King

909
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 3: Touch stuff and like Samurai Samurai dry Cleaner.

910
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,760
Speaker 1: They bring back like old like old school like writers.

911
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 3: It was like the best of you know. It was fun,

912
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 3: I mean. And but we did get to go to

913
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 3: this huge gala that had everybody who's ever been on

914
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 3: the show and he was live band Taylor Swift was there.

915
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,760
Speaker 3: I just say Taylor so because she's kind of important

916
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 3: right now. She was very nice.

917
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: I hear she's great. I've heard she's nothing.

918
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 3: Nice, lovely. I was like, I lied, and I was

919
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 3: like my girlfriend's a huge fan. Could I get a

920
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 3: selfie with you? And she took us so she was

921
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 3: like really nice. She took us stelfie and it was

922
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 3: like kind of the lighting was kind of off and

923
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,439
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, this is like kind of bad.

924
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 3: Do you mind if and she was like, oh no,

925
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 3: you could fix it. Took my phone, went into the

926
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 3: photo app, started adjusting level, increased the brand. You could

927
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 3: have taken ten more selfies, but she just like taught

928
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 3: me how to make a koto.

929
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,240
Speaker 2: That's I mean, they say she goes above and beyond.

930
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 2: That really is something.

931
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean she she's a talent and she's like

932
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 3: running the entire US economy right now. But so also

933
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 3: that night, I all the writers and other and people

934
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 3: who work on the show were like, well, we got

935
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 3: to get drugs right right, I can talk about drugs

936
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 3: on the show.

937
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: Yes, please do actually encourage it.

938
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,479
Speaker 3: So I was in a rented tuxedo and I put

939
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 3: in an order with a drug dealer.

940
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: My guy was named Rick when I lived in Brooklyn.

941
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well say his full name, say his full name.

942
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: I never got a full name. It's just Rick, just

943
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 2: Rick Rick in my phone, Rick in person. I don't

944
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 2: remember what Rick looked like, but he would show up.

945
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 2: He'd show up when he needs to do.

946
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, anyhow, so you put an order in,

947
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 3: put an order in, collect a bunch of cash from everybody.

948
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,479
Speaker 3: The party was at some huge venue on like Fifth

949
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 3: Avenue in Manhattan, and there's like this very famous intersection

950
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 3: that's like probably Fifth in Park or something. So it's

951
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 3: this huge there's like six lanes from every side, this

952
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 3: huge intersection. Uh, I run. I come out of the venue.

953
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 3: I got all the cash and gripping into my hand,

954
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 3: and the guy was like kitty corner across and all

955
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 3: the lights were red. It was like you can cross

956
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 3: any direction. It's very cold in wintery and windy, and

957
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 3: so I see his car and I just start sprinting

958
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 3: across the street. But as I'm running, like my tuxedo

959
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 3: jacket catches on my hand and the money and it

960
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 3: just explodes, Like three hundred dollars in twenties just explode

961
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 3: in the middle of Fifth Avenue in Manhattan, just and

962
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,280
Speaker 3: it's windy, is blowing everywhere. So I'm in a tuxedo.

963
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 3: It's like a snatching, like I'm in a cash cage.

964
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's the streets of New York City, the

965
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 2: cash caages, You're all reality? Was that rock bottom for you?

966
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 2: Does that when you felt like you knew you had

967
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:50,240
Speaker 2: a problem?

968
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 3: Or I think it probably tickled me so much that

969
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm never changing this life.

970
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:56,479
Speaker 1: Did you wait?

971
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 3: Did you get the cash? And did you get Ye

972
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 3: got the cash? I got the drug and then you know,

973
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 3: we continue to continue dancing black?

974
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: Did Taylor Swift?

975
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,439
Speaker 3: No? No, I don't you know. No, you're not sure

976
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 3: it makes that. But part of the reason I thought

977
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 3: that that I thought all the old timers would be like, hey,

978
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 3: we're back in thirty rockings. Time to like rid the

979
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 3: rails again. It's been a while, So I thought like

980
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 3: I'd be in like a bathroom stall with Bill Murray

981
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 3: and like Gilda Radner. I guess she probably wasn't a

982
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 3: love friend.

983
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, in heaven at the bathroom stalling.

984
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 3: Heaven's kind of ruined our career, this, this podcast, our

985
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 3: career are a joint career.

986
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so. So.

987
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 2: So you're working on there's a new season Rick and

988
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 2: Morty coming. You're executive producer.

989
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:39,919
Speaker 3: That's very cool, Like, yeah, it's cool.

990
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 2: Is that like if I'm if I'm close enough friends

991
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 2: with you, I could like voice a character on Rick

992
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 2: and Morty, Like you can get me in there.

993
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: Like I'm not saying me, but if I were friends

994
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: with you, Like.

995
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably I've gotten my friend's voices voice jobs on

996
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 3: the show for sure.

997
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:53,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

998
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 3: Kind of my favorite thing is to get my friend's work.

999
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 2: Have you thought about having like a guy who's like

1000
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 2: a kind of a Jewish like podcast, or guy who's

1001
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 2: from Pittsburgh like that as a character. It could be

1002
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 2: kind of an interesting Yeah, you don't have a lot

1003
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 2: of characters like that on Rick and Morton.

1004
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 3: Don't we don't We had an episode had a podcast

1005
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 3: in it, so that ship may have sailed well, you know,

1006
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 3: I'm just not saying me. It's a person like that.

1007
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 3: You're casting a you're casting a wide net.

1008
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 2: Though with Jewish podcasters, it's like every podcaster, every second

1009
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 2: podcaster is yeah, can you get Nick Fury in there?

1010
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 2: Like what happens if you want to do a Nick

1011
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 2: Fury thing on Rick and Morty? What happened to.

1012
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 3: Positive Nick Fury has been on this show?

1013
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 1: Really? Sure?

1014
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 3: I think so? It sounds like we always kind of

1015
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,399
Speaker 3: poop on Marvel on this show. I imagine he's been

1016
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 3: on there.

1017
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: It sounds correct to me.

1018
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 2: But I mean I was just thinking about your post

1019
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 2: credits concept and maybe there's a way to make that.

1020
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 1: I mean, with animation, anything's possible.

1021
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's like a there's like a fake

1022
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 3: Avengers on the show called Vindicators, and they did a

1023
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 3: spinoff show which was very good. So like our Marvel

1024
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 3: universe is it, but we reference Marvel a lot. Yeah,

1025
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 3: but like you know, Morty's a big fan of the

1026
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 3: Vindicators and that's basically Marvel. Yeah, I'll get theory in there.

1027
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 3: I would rather get Oppenheimer, and I think he probably

1028
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 3: has a better chance of making it in I.

1029
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: Don't know why there's I mean the scene you described,

1030
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 2: there's no reason why that couldn't be put into the

1031
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 2: show wholesale.

1032
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:16,760
Speaker 1: Like I think that's.

1033
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 3: I think it could deserly be a tag of it,

1034
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 3: which is also a post credit scene of Rick. Could

1035
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 3: definitely be an apropos of nothing.

1036
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 1: Nothing get whatever.

1037
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 2: The final scene of Oppenheimer is cut to the crew

1038
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 2: or whatever, I guess wouldn't be the final scene. It's

1039
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 2: just as you described it, just like he's sitting at

1040
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 2: a table, pondering what he's done.

1041
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: I guess I assume it ends with him.

1042
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 3: He's probably wrapping a he's wrapping like a belt over

1043
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 3: a ceiling fan, and he's setting up a little like

1044
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 3: a home depot bucket that he's standing on. Right, did

1045
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 3: he kill him in a knock at the door? No,

1046
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 3: but it's the scene he is.

1047
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sakes you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, and yeah, right,

1048
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 2: there's a knock at the door. It opens, damn it.

1049
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 2: He's like put that rope down or whatever he's using.

1050
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 3: I guess don't know, but that like, back around your trousers,

1051
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 3: mister Oppenheimer.

1052
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 2: Right, we've got a job, got somewhere to be. Well,

1053
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 2: I'll listen. I think I would love to see it happen.

1054
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 2: I mean, now that you've said it, now that you've

1055
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 2: brought it into my sort of imagination, I'll be bummed

1056
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 2: if it doesn't happen.

1057
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it would, I mean, you know what, maybe God see.

1058
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 3: But also, here's other thing. Now that we're talking about it,

1059
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 3: it's like, well, now we can't do it.

1060
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: You can't do it because it's out there.

1061
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 2: We have to cut this out of the show completely,

1062
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 2: and then it'd be I mean, I'm willing to do

1063
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 2: that if you actually can deliver on it.

1064
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 1: I mean, if you could commit to me that you'll

1065
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: get the.

1066
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 3: But also, we move pretty slow. You know, we're not

1067
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 3: South Park.

1068
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, by the time that's fucking airs Oppenheimer's in the

1069
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 2: old News. Yeah, you got to have a way to

1070
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 2: get for it to be relevant. Like with uh, it's

1071
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 2: going to be.

1072
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 3: Exactly, we just don't move that fast. We're not that live.

1073
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 3: I mean, i'd like a nice topical thing, but I

1074
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 3: also really like an evergreen like this exists in its

1075
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 3: own world and isn't.

1076
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: It's to do.

1077
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 2: I feel like it's have to do ambitious animation on

1078
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 2: a fast turnaround. I mean, I guess AI I'll fix

1079
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 2: that right soon. Yeah, he'll just tell the AI what

1080
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 2: you want and it'll spit it out. But yeah, the

1081
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 2: CEOs will just put in what they want in the

1082
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 2: AI and then it'll just spit it out and they

1083
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 2: won't need anybody anymore.

1084
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 3: I mean, I think I think it'll even be more

1085
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 3: than that, Josh, you will put in I want an

1086
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 3: episode of Rick and Morty where they meet Oppenheimer and

1087
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 3: Nick Fury, And also I'm in it and I'm a

1088
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 3: podcast host, yeah, and I'm the one who introduces them.

1089
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 3: And then you'll type that prompt into a laptop and

1090
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 3: it'll just spit out your own episode of Rick and Morty.

1091
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 3: I think that's where it's going. That sounds like it

1092
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 3: sucks so bad. I can't even describe how shitty that sounds.

1093
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 3: We actually had we ran, we ran the.

1094
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 2: Episode last I think last week of we had the

1095
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 2: CEO of Scott David Hols, who's the CEO of mid Journey,

1096
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 2: which is the art one of the art ais, and uh,

1097
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 2: we definitely that we touched on that a little bit.

1098
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 2: But like I talked to the film critic David Denby,

1099
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 2: who I don't know if he still writes to The

1100
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 2: New Yorker, but I interviewed him many many years ago,

1101
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 2: and he described like we were talking about interactive cinema,

1102
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 2: and he was like, I kind of want movies to

1103
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 2: like dominate me. I want it to be like in

1104
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 2: control basically of like my sort of emotions or whatever.

1105
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 2: And I think, like, I mean, maybe I'm going to

1106
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 2: go back in five years and I'm gonna eat crow

1107
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 2: or whatever.

1108
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:26,879
Speaker 1: The fuck.

1109
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,760
Speaker 2: I just don't believe that people actually will enjoy things

1110
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 2: that they think they want. I think I think a

1111
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 2: lot of people enjoy things because they aren't what they expected.

1112
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 2: And I think that being able to tell a machine,

1113
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 2: no matter how clever, it can be like the things

1114
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 2: you want to have happen, and then have them happen.

1115
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 2: It's like you kind of can't tickle yourself, you know.

1116
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 2: I think it's a little bit of that, And I

1117
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 2: think we're going to learn pretty quickly that after the

1118
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 2: kind of excitement of what it can do wears off,

1119
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 2: there's a lot that there's a lot of there's a

1120
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 2: big gulf between your desire and what a machine can

1121
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 2: produce for you.

1122
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can see that. I agree. I think it'll

1123
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 3: be like, look, it's the first AI completed movie, and

1124
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 3: we're all like, I probably won't see it, but people

1125
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 3: will be excited about it. But the pendulum will swing

1126
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 3: that way for a minute, and then it'll come back

1127
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 3: to like I kind of liked it when weirdos just

1128
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 3: were allowed to make art that we got to experience.

1129
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, I don't know. I mean, maybe they'll

1130
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: be amazing.

1131
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe the AI will come up with with like

1132
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 2: much more clever ideas and they'll be much funnier than

1133
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 2: than we think. And I don't know, I mean, anything's possible,

1134
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 2: but I'm sort of like I expect that there'll be

1135
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 2: a lot of people's jobs who get screwed over in

1136
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 2: the process.

1137
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think you know, corporations are going to

1138
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 3: let it trickle down.

1139
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's probably true.

1140
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 3: I mean because like it's probably easier to do a

1141
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 3: full AI podcast because you don't have to worry about visuals,

1142
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 3: So like, is that make you nervous? I know, this

1143
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:48,280
Speaker 3: is kind of your big.

1144
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: No any maker, not my main gig.

1145
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 2: No no, because there are already you don't need AI.

1146
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 2: You already have the entirety of humanity producing garbage podcasts

1147
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 2: like you don't. And I mean, I say, this is

1148
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 2: like I may be a part of that. Like I'm

1149
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 2: not trying to tell you know, don't stoot my own

1150
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 2: horn or anything. There's already a This is sort of

1151
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 2: like the content thing that's like we already have too much.

1152
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 2: Like it's not the problem is not quantity, right, The

1153
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 2: problem actually is quality. I think that is and I

1154
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 2: think increasingly one of the reasons why the streamers have

1155
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 2: suffered is they have like tried to create a quantity

1156
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 2: sort of their their equation is quantity, and what is

1157
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 2: lacking there is the quality. And eventually people catch on

1158
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:29,919
Speaker 2: and they're like, wow, I have a mount of things

1159
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 2: to see, but nothing I want to watch. And like,

1160
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 2: I think that's the same thing is happening just across

1161
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 2: the board. I think it's like I think that's to

1162
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 2: some extent, has happened in music. I think, I mean,

1163
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 2: what that what it looks like, you know, on the

1164
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 2: back end of it.

1165
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: I have no fucking idea.

1166
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 2: I think it's happening in like in my world, like

1167
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 2: in news and media stuff, like I think people are

1168
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 2: have been exhausted by like social media and like clickbait,

1169
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 2: and I think everybody's kind of like fatigued with this,

1170
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 2: like just the wanity of shit and you're kind of like, god,

1171
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 2: I'd love just one good thing.

1172
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 3: It feels real, And I think that's why people get

1173
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 3: behind like oh white lotus. It's like, Okay, this is good,

1174
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 3: it's all I watch it collectively, this is nice.

1175
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 1: Well we watched it, but then like ninety nine percent

1176
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: of other people didn't. I mean that's the thing.

1177
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 2: It's like there's stuff that you you and I probably

1178
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 2: think being in our respective industries.

1179
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 1: It's like, what is popular? You know it's popular? Is Yellowstone?

1180
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: Do you watch Yellowstone?

1181
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 3: I haven't, and somebody's like it's been on right thirty years.

1182
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,959
Speaker 2: I've never massively popular. I mean it's like the most

1183
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 2: popular show. You've never seen an episode of it, and

1184
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 2: yet you've probably watched every episode of Succession and he

1185
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 2: thought it was amazing exactly, and you know it, no

1186
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 2: one else has watched it, Like one million people have

1187
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 2: watched Succession in the world.

1188
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, we think it's important. We're coastal elites.

1189
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 3: You know we are exactly.

1190
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 2: It's a show made by coastal elites about coastal elites

1191
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 2: for coastal elites.

1192
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: And it worn't perfectly but I.

1193
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 2: Think but you know, listen, it's very rare that anything

1194
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 2: is super fucking good and popular. Like there's only a

1195
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 2: few There's a Beyonce and the and Beatle, the Beatles,

1196
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:01,760
Speaker 2: and like there.

1197
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: All be everything?

1198
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 3: Is that everything? Like a B movie?

1199
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's another thing.

1200
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 2: But you know, like, right, I think I think the

1201
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 2: film Life Force is high art, but to most people,

1202
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 2: most people don't even know it.

1203
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:15,919
Speaker 3: I don't even know what you're talking about you don't

1204
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:16,399
Speaker 3: even know it?

1205
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: Okay, Can I make a recommendation?

1206
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 2: And I would like if you can get everybody who's

1207
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 2: associated with Brick and Morty to participate, Yeah, if they

1208
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 2: If everybody who's working on that has not seen the

1209
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 2: film Life Force. It is directed by Toby Hooper. It's

1210
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 2: based on a novel called The Space Vampires. It is

1211
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 2: written by Dan O'Bannon, who's the guy who created Alien,

1212
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 2: and it is one of the most insane and amazing

1213
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 2: films ever produced. And oh in the I believe, I

1214
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 2: believe the soundtrack is by Henry Mancini, So it's like,

1215
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:50,479
Speaker 2: got a crazy soundtrack like on. It is first off

1216
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 2: in my top five favorite movies of all time. But

1217
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 2: it's also like I guarantee you it's unlike any film

1218
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 2: you've ever seen in your entire life. And if you're not,

1219
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 2: if you don't walk away feeling like thrilled by it,

1220
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 2: I'll be very surprised.

1221
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 3: I will watch it, but immediately and I bet you,

1222
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 3: I bet you people in the room have seen this movie.

1223
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 2: I know I was gonna say, it's the kind of

1224
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 2: film that I would expect that people who are writing

1225
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 2: for Rick and Morty are pretty familiar with. It's a

1226
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 2: pretty obscure even amongst like sci fi weirdos. It's a

1227
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 2: seemingly kind of weirdly obscure thing. Sorry, I don't I

1228
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 2: just want to bring it up whenever possible because I

1229
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 2: think it's such a gem of a film.

1230
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 3: Well, I want to ask you a question because you

1231
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 3: were talking about like podcasts and how there's a lot

1232
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 3: of podcasts. So I guess what I wanted to ask was,

1233
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 3: I guess what, what do you think is the worst

1234
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 3: podcast out there?

1235
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 2: Well, that's I mean, I haven't heard it. I mean

1236
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 2: the worst podcast is as you haven't heard it, but

1237
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 2: like you know, I don't know, Like.

1238
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 3: Uh, well, you don't have to answer this. I'm trying

1239
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 3: to put this.

1240
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,280
Speaker 2: I find like celebrities of the podcast be really annoying

1241
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 2: because it's like fuck you, like you already have your

1242
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 2: Like Dax Shepherd, it's so fucked up that Dak I

1243
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 2: have to compete, that we have to lowly ugly people

1244
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 2: like me have to compete with Dax sheperd Like, I'm

1245
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 2: sure he's a great guy by the way his podcast, No,

1246
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 2: he seems great and he's a wonderful he's wonderful and

1247
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 2: I'd love to have him on. In fact, let's let's

1248
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 2: see if we can get him on. I'd love to

1249
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 2: interview him about his podcast. And you know, he seems

1250
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 2: lovely and he's in Kristen Bell seems great and he

1251
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 2: just seems like a great guy. But like Paul Rudd

1252
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 2: or something, has a fucking pot. I just feel like,

1253
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 2: I don't know, like Jason Bateman's podcast.

1254
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 3: A popular podcast and it's like a movie stars, right,

1255
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 3: I just think it's fucked up, like let us have

1256
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 3: let ugly people have something, you know, Like I think

1257
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 3: we don't get much these days, you know, like I

1258
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 3: understand that everyone's more accepting, but it's not right.

1259
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 2: But worst podcast, I mean, that's a that's a tough

1260
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 2: one because it was probably like the Ben Shapiro Show

1261
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 2: or something.

1262
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 3: Like, you know, like damaging our culture and sins.

1263
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if you look at the top one hundred,

1264
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 2: there's all kinds of shit, like, you know, I don't know,

1265
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, it's like the Chuck Bentley Show

1266
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 2: or something. You're like, who's Chuck Bentley. He's like, oh,

1267
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 2: he's a firebrand, maga preacher or whatever. And his his

1268
00:53:55,320 --> 00:54:00,080
Speaker 2: he has like twenty million subscribers to his podcast. Like

1269
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 2: Chuck Bentley's not a person as far as I know,

1270
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 2: but like it's that sort of right, that idea.

1271
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's something for everybody out there.

1272
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: Man, I don't listen to a lot of podcasts. I'd

1273
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 1: be honest with you, like.

1274
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair. What do you think takes the most

1275
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 3: time of your day? What do you what do you do?

1276
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: It's been doing?

1277
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 2: No, it's it's it's like, probably have a little problem

1278
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 2: solving things like that, right, you know. I used to

1279
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 2: do a lot of like actual writing, but it's I

1280
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 2: find it to be very annoying. I'm not a person

1281
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,720
Speaker 2: who enjoys the time it takes to write down words.

1282
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it. I mean, you're just banging in your

1283
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 3: head against a brick wall the hole. It's miserable. It's

1284
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 3: you're a loane, You're lost in your thoughts, you hate everything.

1285
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 3: It's miserable and magical at the same time. I do

1286
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 3: think I should maybe this goal. I don't have a

1287
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 3: goal this year to be published in New Yorker. I

1288
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 3: always thought that would be fun.

1289
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: Oh you could do that online or in this actual magazinete.

1290
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 3: I mean I'd like to have a physical copy, but

1291
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 3: I take what I can.

1292
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,879
Speaker 2: Get online is definitely easier. I mean you could start

1293
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 2: with online and see if they like it. We'll graduated

1294
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:55,720
Speaker 2: into I feel like you could definitely get something published.

1295
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 3: I don't what did the how do you? I know

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Speaker 3: this podcast isn't about how to getublished in the n

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Speaker 3: or but like no, well, but can it be for

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Speaker 3: the last part.

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Speaker 2: The easiest thing is that somebody like me, like introduces

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Speaker 2: to somebody there who I know, and I go like, oh, hey,

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Speaker 2: this guy Nicky's super smart. He's one of the producers

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Speaker 2: on Rick Morty. He wrote this really funny thing or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Should check it out. I mean, you know, it's all

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00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 2: about nepotism, and you know who you know and who

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00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 2: you know they have, They take submissions, they publish like

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Speaker 2: they actually publish thoseubmissions all the time. And in fact,

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Speaker 2: the New Yorker, in their defense, I should say, has

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00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 2: really has made a practice in their entire history of

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Speaker 2: like publishing unknown not that you're unknown, like you're you're

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Speaker 2: certainly known.

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Speaker 3: No, I want special treatment.

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Speaker 1: You must have twenty people who know somebody there, like for.

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Speaker 3: Yuh, I'm sure there's avenues that I should explore. Also,

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Speaker 3: here's the thing I'm never going to pursue this past

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Speaker 3: this conversation. No, no, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I mean you could do like a shouts and murmurs

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Speaker 1: like a little, like.

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Speaker 3: A little It would be some silly thing, you know.

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Speaker 2: It's like a McSweeney's light kind of thing. Yeah, they

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Speaker 2: do a lot of like less interesting than McSweeney's comedy

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00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 2: humor rather, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like real humor. I guess I should start by

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Speaker 3: reading a New Yorker once.

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Speaker 1: You should see what's in there. Yeah, it's a comic, right, yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, I think it'd be a real twist for you

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00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:13,760
Speaker 2: is to go and find like an unbelievable journalistic story.

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Speaker 2: Like you go to fucking like Somalia and like report

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Speaker 2: on some incredible and like just you're like this guy,

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Speaker 2: like your whole career has been like in comedy and

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Speaker 2: writing and like give an Emmy for a fucking Rick

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Speaker 2: and Morty. But then you go and like just report

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Speaker 2: out the hardest, craziest fucking story ever.

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Speaker 3: Right, I like break the next Coney story.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and that's well Coney was fake.

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Speaker 2: I think that's turned out yeah, I think, but but yeah,

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Speaker 2: you would crack that kind of case for the New Yorker,

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00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 2: you know, or you write the story. They had a

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Speaker 2: story about how I think it was a New Yorker.

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00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 2: Maybe be in the Atlantic. There's like a fault line

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Speaker 2: there that's gonna like make Seattle basically fall off the

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Speaker 2: the country, like you like, there's gonna be an earthquake

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Speaker 2: that will send Seattle out to sea or something, you know,

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Speaker 2: or Washington, all of Washington.

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Speaker 3: I could dig into that. I feel like, whatever I do,

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00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 3: if it's like hard hitting, you knowjournalism, I end it

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00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:06,439
Speaker 3: with Nick Fury showing up and asking Seattle to join

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Speaker 3: the Avengers. And then people get to the end they're like,

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Speaker 3: damn it, this asshole. He's got one idea.

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Speaker 2: I think, yeah, but it's a good one, you know what,

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Speaker 2: one idea, but it's a good one. I wish you

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00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 2: could have gotten to Christopher Nolan before he finished the

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Speaker 2: film to tell him this idea, just like there is

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Speaker 2: something we should If only you had that inception device, Yeah,

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00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 2: you could have put him, put him under and got

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Speaker 2: him put this idea in his head.

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Speaker 1: That's a dream.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's going to be a director's cut, so there's

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Speaker 3: still time.

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Speaker 2: Somebody has to film the scene and like do a bootleg,

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Speaker 2: like an edit, get Killian Murphy to just like just

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Speaker 2: just do it, just like will you be in the

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Speaker 2: scene with anyhow? All right, we've talked this one to death.

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Speaker 2: I think I think you know what you need to do.

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Speaker 2: Once the strike is over. Get call Samuel Jackson, call

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Speaker 2: Christopher Nolan, Killian Murphy and make it happen.

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Speaker 3: Get a guy with a camera. Get a camera. I

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Speaker 3: don't even go through the whole production process, but you know, people.

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Speaker 1: To do lighting and probably some prop.

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Speaker 3: Probably need a COVID compliance officer on set.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he probably. You know, you have to find

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Speaker 2: a locations when he has location scout. I guess, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I need permits.

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Speaker 3: I know, we know what I get.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty straightforward. It's just right there. Nick, this

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Speaker 2: is like I say, this is super fun, super fun.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I didn't.

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00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 2: I wasn't sure what exactly we're going to talk about.

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00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 2: There were definitely things I want to talk about. We

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00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 2: hit all of those things and then went way beyond them.

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00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 2: We skated through the routine and then into something very freestyle,

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Speaker 2: which I enjoyed.

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00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 1: It was a real pleasure to talk to you.

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Speaker 3: All right, thank you, Josh, thank you.

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Speaker 2: We're going to do this again, and uh and enjoy

1386
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 2: the rest of your I assume you know, beautiful Los

1387
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 2: Angeles day, hotter than hell out there.

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00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 1: Well, that is our show.

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Speaker 2: I mean, so much show, really, just all of I mean,

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Speaker 2: I don't even know if we need to do another show.

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Speaker 1: At this point.

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Speaker 2: We captured I would say, every possible human emotion on

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Speaker 2: this one, and I loved it. I gotta tell you,

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00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 2: even the human even when we hit the human emotions

1395
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 2: of depression and anger, I was still smiling through the pain.

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Speaker 2: And that's really the most you can ask foreign life,

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Speaker 2: I think. So that is our show for this week.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back next week with more what future, and

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Speaker 2: as always, I wish you and your family the very best.