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Speaker 1: talking about the father, Alex Murdog. According to him, and

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Speaker 1: sniffing down over one million dollars miss appropriated by Alex

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Speaker 1: we are following a developing story out of Hampton County.

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Speaker 1: According to his lawyer, Alex Murdock has been shot in

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Speaker 1: Back in June, Murdock's wife and son were killed in

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Speaker 1: a double homicide in Cullington County. The shooting now being

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Speaker 1: investigated by SLED. For those of you that don't know,

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Speaker 1: SLED is South Carolina Law Enforcement Division. You are hearing

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Speaker 1: to our friend at ABC EVA. Pilgrim Alec Murdoch was

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Speaker 1: know if anybody would truly it would truly be an

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Speaker 1: enemy actually want to harm them first of all. Susan E.

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Speaker 1: Williams joining us out of South Carolina. She's a criminal

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Speaker 1: defense attorney. They're a former prosecutor, and you can find

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Speaker 1: her at s Williams dash Law dot net. Doctor Angela Arnold,

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Speaker 1: renowned psychiatrists, joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. You

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Speaker 1: can find her at Angela Arnold MD dot com. Professor Forensickes,

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University. Author of Blood Beneath My Feet on

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Speaker 1: Amazon and Starving You, hit series The Piketon Massacre on iHeart.

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Speaker 1: Impact of Influence at one O seven point nine, The

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Speaker 1: any more intricate or tangled. It is amazing how this

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Speaker 1: You know, Matt Harris, I was looking to you for

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Speaker 1: him to be out in the woods hiding with his

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Speaker 1: cell phone. How he managed to get that don't know,

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Speaker 1: but he got it at hiding till nine one one

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Speaker 1: got there. Yes, I'm wondering did he have a bullet

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Speaker 1: proof vest on? Well, yes, Susan, what about that, Matt Harris.

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Speaker 1: What Susan Williams is saying, South Carolina criminal defense attorney.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've heard so many different versions of how

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Speaker 1: he got shot in the head, which I also find

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Speaker 1: very unusual that there's more than one version. But is

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Speaker 1: one of the versions of Matt Harris w l n K.

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Speaker 1: Charlotte that a person actually said, do you have car trouble?

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Speaker 1: You need any help? Why did he can't Alex Mardock

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Speaker 1: can't make an identification? No, Yeah, that doesn't make a

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Speaker 1: lot of sense. Well, I just got this text I

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Speaker 1: thought i'd share you too, that from a paralegal at

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Speaker 1: an attorney's office and said Maggie was planning a forensic

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Speaker 1: accounting of money the wife to light. Now wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: Matt Harris, let me understand what you just said. Guys,

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Speaker 1: this and my mind changes everything right here. He can

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Speaker 1: allegedly misplace funds from his law firm. That's one thing.

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Speaker 1: They apparently, according to the New York Times, have a

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Speaker 1: forensic accountant on his tail. But are you telling me

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Speaker 1: his own wife had hired a forensic accountant. Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: is the word I got from a pretty reliable source

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Speaker 1: just as we were speaking right here. Okay, that's a

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Speaker 1: whole another can of worms crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: I was told also Matt Harris when I was there

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Speaker 1: in the past days that a lot of money had

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Speaker 1: been moved between Maggie and Alex Murdock's accounts, many people

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Speaker 1: speculating they were leading up to a divorce or were

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Speaker 1: trying to shelter funds in a potential lawsuit or bankruptcy.

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Speaker 1: I mean a lot was happening. They were getting sued

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Speaker 1: civilly for instance, Mallory Beach other reasons. So were they

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Speaker 1: trying to shelter money, were they moving money for an

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Speaker 1: alleged bankruptcy that may happen? Were they about to get

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Speaker 1: a divorce? And money was being shifted back and forth

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Speaker 1: for whatever financial reason. But you're telling me you just

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Speaker 1: got information that the wife Maggie found dead with a

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Speaker 1: shot to the head, had ordered a forensic accounting of

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Speaker 1: her husband, Alex Murdock. That is what a source tells me.

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Speaker 1: Guess just now I got that. Yeah, we know that

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Speaker 1: there was that the civil lawsuits that we're going on,

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Speaker 1: and Susan knows this too, that they were working hard

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Speaker 1: to get it moved to I think it's called maritime

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Speaker 1: lall or something like that. So they've been doing a

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Speaker 1: lot of shuffling around to protect their assets. As this

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Speaker 1: Mallory Beach civil case started to take off, Guys, I

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Speaker 1: want you to take a listen to this. The Murdo

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Speaker 1: murder mystery takes another unexpected turn. A family spokesperson says

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Speaker 1: Alex Murdock, whose wife and son were shot to debt

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Speaker 1: back in June, was shot in the head himself while

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Speaker 1: changing a tire. Today, an ordinarily quite at Hampton County

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Speaker 1: Road turned it to anything but on Saturday, when Alex Murdle,

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Speaker 1: a prominent lawyer in South Carolina, was shot in the head.

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Speaker 1: A family spokesperson says Murdo stopped to change a tire

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Speaker 1: on sanka Hatchey Road near Barneville when a car passed

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Speaker 1: by him. Told that car ended up around and someone

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Speaker 1: inside then shot Murda. Murda was later airlifted to Medical

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Speaker 1: University of South Carolina and Charleston. The spokesperson told us

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Speaker 1: he's now conscious and speaking. South Carolina Law Enforcement Division

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Speaker 1: was called in to investigate the shooting Saturday. They could

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Speaker 1: be seen taking photos of evidence and using metal detectors

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Speaker 1: to look for things like shell piecings. W JCL reached

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Speaker 1: out to the Hampden County Sheriff's office, as well as

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Speaker 1: sled to see a bait to tell us of any

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Speaker 1: suspects had been identified or arrested. Both are remaining tight

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Speaker 1: lipped about the incident. I bet they are. You're listening

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Speaker 1: to Brook Butler at w JCL twenty two. Now take

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Speaker 1: a listen to Andrew Davis w sav Savannah. Alex Murdock

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Speaker 1: speaking for the first time in weeks, this time from

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Speaker 1: a Savannah hospital bed, the patriarch of the family making

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Speaker 1: big decisions as he recovers from a gunshot wound suffered

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Speaker 1: this weekend. Alex Murdock released a statement through his attorney.

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Speaker 1: It says, in part quote, the murders of my wife

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Speaker 1: and have caused an incredibly difficult time in my life.

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Speaker 1: I've made a lot of decisions that I truly regret.

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Speaker 1: I'm resigning from my law firm and entering rehab after

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Speaker 1: a long battle that's been exacerbated by these murders. I

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Speaker 1: am immensely sorry to everyone I've hurt, including my family,

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Speaker 1: friends and colleagues. I asked for prayers as I rehabilitated

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Speaker 1: myself and my relationships. The murders that Alex Murda mentioned

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Speaker 1: are of his son Paul and wife Maggie, who were

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Speaker 1: gunned down with the family property back in June. No

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Speaker 1: suspects have been arrested and named in that case or

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Speaker 1: in this weekend shooting. What we know is that the

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Speaker 1: firm PEED in Hampton, South Carolina, have ordered a forensic

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Speaker 1: accounting for the alleged misuse of funds amounting to quote

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Speaker 1: millions of dollars millions being quote squandered. Their words, not mine,

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Speaker 1: Straight back out to Matt harrel K Charlotte, who was

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Speaker 1: telling us, according to his sources, not only had the

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Speaker 1: law firm ordered a forensic accounting, but Alex Morlau's wife

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Speaker 1: had ordered a forensic accountant. To get busy. What more

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Speaker 1: do you know, Matt Harris's that's the that's the main word.

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Speaker 1: I'm wading our couple of other possibilities of maybe relationships

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Speaker 1: that Alec had going on. You may an affair. Is

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Speaker 1: that what you're getting at now? Again not confirmed, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: Matt Harris, can I tell you something? I asked twenty

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Speaker 1: people in the area who was having an affair who?

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Speaker 1: And I got so many different stories on both parties.

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Speaker 1: Maggie was having an affair, this one's having an affair

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Speaker 1: that I couldn't make sense of it all, and I

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Speaker 1: didn't get any one clear thread of any romantic connections.

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Speaker 1: But in my mind mind you get killed over love

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Speaker 1: or money. The revenge theory to me was always very,

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Speaker 1: very far fetched, more like something you'd read in a novel.

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Speaker 1: Susan Williams. I mean, you see movies and read stories

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Speaker 1: about let's just say, the mob doing a hit for

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Speaker 1: revenge that hardly ever happens in real life. That's right.

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Speaker 1: I think I really only see it in the movie.

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Speaker 1: But I wanted to go back to the statement about

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Speaker 1: the potentially missing funds or misappropriated funds, and I found

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Speaker 1: it interesting that in twenty and sixteen, a lawyer at

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Speaker 1: the Murdoff Law Firm was a person who was on

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Speaker 1: a board a committee consisting of twelve members of the

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Speaker 1: South Carolina Bar who is in charge of funding to

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Speaker 1: compensate clients who suffered losses due to the dishonest conduct

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Speaker 1: of the members of the South Carolina Bar who had

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Speaker 1: been suspended, this barred or died. I'm not suggesting here

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Speaker 1: anything other than I wanted to highlight that this lawyer

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Speaker 1: was a member of the Murdoch firm and a member

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Speaker 1: of this committee. The laws paid to anyone claimed as

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Speaker 1: limited to forty thousand dollars, and the aggregate lifetime total

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Speaker 1: per pay per attorney cannot exceed two hundred thousand. I mean,

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Speaker 1: just think about it, Susan Williams. Wherever this money was

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Speaker 1: being held? What if the allegations against Alex Murdoch are

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Speaker 1: true that he had misappropriated millions of dollars of the

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Speaker 1: firm's money. Is it from the firm's account, Is it

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Speaker 1: from an escrow account for just let's just say carrect victims,

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Speaker 1: medical malpractice victims. I mean, where did millions of dollars

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Speaker 1: come from? Why didn't anybody notice? And where did all

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Speaker 1: that money go? If in fact it was miss appropriated. Well,

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Speaker 1: we know that some of their money. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: the funds money, the firm's money. I'm saying the Murdoff money.

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Speaker 1: They donated heavily to political campaigns in South Carolina one

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Speaker 1: hundred and ten thousand dollars over twelve years from the

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Speaker 1: Murdoff family members. In addition, the firm donated over two

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars and they were either loving each of

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Speaker 1: these candidates or you know, just generously giving to them.

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Speaker 1: Can I tell you something, says and Williams. I've known

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Speaker 1: lawyers from Atlanta all the way to New York City

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Speaker 1: when there's a judges race, they donate to everybody running

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Speaker 1: so they could be on their good side when they

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Speaker 1: get on the bench. Sad as that may be, Guys,

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Speaker 1: we're getting a lot more questions than answers. I hate

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Speaker 1: that phrase, but it's true. In the case of Alec Murdog,

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Speaker 1: who has been shot in the head in the last hours.

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Speaker 1: He's just entered rehab. We wait as just as sudden

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Speaker 1: folds as the big question remains. Who killed Maggie and Paul?

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Scrime Story signing off, Goodbye, Frank