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Speaker 1: Hey yo, welcome back to another episode of Full Circle.

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Speaker 1: Today we got to get into some crazy free agency stuff.

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Speaker 2: Lexi emergency pod, emergency pod. Literally two weeks into the show,

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Speaker 2: we already have to have an emergency pod. That's crazy.

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Speaker 2: I first see some more emergency pods once the w

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Speaker 2: season actually starts, So this is like a good practice

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Speaker 2: run for us.

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Speaker 1: I think exactly exactly. I've been seeing all of the

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Speaker 1: crazy moves being made in free agency in the WNBA,

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Speaker 1: and I have to get your thoughts tell some of

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Speaker 1: my thoughts. Like first, we like before we get into

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Speaker 1: any of the other teams, we'd less to get straight

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Speaker 1: into it because there's so many Let's talk about your team,

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Speaker 1: the Sparks, the Sparks adding Kelsey plum Odyssey Sims. What

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Speaker 1: are your thoughts about what you lost, what you've gotten

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Speaker 1: new coach, apparently a new facility.

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Speaker 2: On the way allegedly. You know. I feel like for me,

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Speaker 2: when I found out that Kelsey was coming, I was

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Speaker 2: like they have to be. There has to be something

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Speaker 2: in the works for us to get plumb Dog into

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Speaker 2: LA for her to sign here. She's not going to

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Speaker 2: just be showing up to twenty four hour fitness trying

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Speaker 2: to get some shots up. She needs only the best,

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Speaker 2: So I'll asked around. You know, there's some WAA players

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Speaker 2: in here in Nashville, and apparently there is a facility

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Speaker 2: on the way of some sort. So I'm really excited

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Speaker 2: about that if that is true. I love the additions

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Speaker 2: of Kelsey and Odyssey. It means that we're going to

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Speaker 2: play fast. It means we're going to shoot a lot.

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Speaker 2: We are missing the center position. We do have quite

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Speaker 2: a gaping hole in that position. So hopefully as free

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Speaker 2: agency continues, we bring in some big girls because we

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Speaker 2: need a few, because as you've seen, some of the

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Speaker 2: other teams are loading up on their big girls. So

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Speaker 2: their new head coach Lynn, she put up to Nashville

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Speaker 2: to come watch a scrimmage and our gas So that

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Speaker 2: was amazing me and Honesty got to see them talk

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Speaker 2: to them for a little bit. So things are going good.

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Speaker 2: They're going good for the Sparks. I think we're heading

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Speaker 2: in the right direction.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like there's gonna be a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a culture shift because going from rebuild mode, I know,

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Speaker 1: like just adding Kelsey Plumb obviously doesn't change everything, and

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Speaker 1: you do still need some size, but I feel like

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Speaker 1: it's a different type.

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Speaker 2: Of culture absolutely, and bringing in veterans, you know, that's

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Speaker 2: making a statement right there, like we are not in

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Speaker 2: rebuilding mode anymore. We're in win now mode. And I

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Speaker 2: think also, oh odesty, she was on a temporary contract

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Speaker 2: to finish the year last year with the Sparks and

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Speaker 2: she played exceptionally well. So I'm very happy for her

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Speaker 2: that she was able to get on a real contract

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Speaker 2: because she is a good enough player to deserve one

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Speaker 2: of those, and I'm glad that we got to snatch

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Speaker 2: her up. I thought that maybe Chicago was going to

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Speaker 2: go after because they need, you know, another point guard

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Speaker 2: on that team, but they just add a salute and

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Speaker 2: then they have Dana Evans there, so I feel like

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Speaker 2: LA was a good fit for her. She's played for

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Speaker 2: so she's familiar and I'm just really excited for her

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Speaker 2: to have that opportunity again.

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Speaker 1: And I'm excited for you to be in win now mode.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, girl, you know it's crazy, Like the amount

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Speaker 2: of turnover I personally had year to year is actually insane.

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Speaker 2: I'm hoping that this group that we're putting together right

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Speaker 2: now sticks because literally every year of my career, I've

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Speaker 2: sometimes a new city. So I'm hoping that like this

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Speaker 2: because I think that would make like everything basketball wistou

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Speaker 1: That seems to be the goal that leadership over at

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Speaker 1: ask you as far as turnover concerned. One thing I've

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Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna give everybody the benefit of the

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Speaker 2: to be long term or at least for a few

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Speaker 2: so I was like, you know what, let me just

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Speaker 2: watching everybody get their money while I'm still locked in

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Speaker 2: the old CVA. But I think it's an amazing thing.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, from a fans perspective, it probably can provide

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Speaker 2: best available, because I typically that's how they the WNBA drafts,

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Speaker 2: that's how they operate free agency. Oh that's the best player,

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Speaker 2: so let's just bring it over here and make it work.

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Speaker 2: But it seems like everybody has been very intentional with

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Speaker 1: I feel like that's the thing that a lot of

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Speaker 1: fans don't recognize is that when it comes to free

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Speaker 1: one year. But it depends on what happen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's the thing about the one year.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like now the teams are going

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Speaker 2: comfortable year. I've read that Kelsey plans on staying in

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Speaker 2: I think we need to talk about some of these

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Speaker 2: Who do you think made the best off season move

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Speaker 1: Ooh, let me think, Well, I'm a little biased. Beiji

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Speaker 1: But I think there was a few I was really

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Speaker 2: Phoenix made crazy changes. Honestly, I'm still not over how

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Speaker 2: they did Natasha Cloud over it.

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Speaker 1: The one that gagged me. The one that gagged me

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Speaker 1: but getting rid of Tosh Cloud. I was so surprised

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Speaker 1: I know that was coming.

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Speaker 2: No, nothing, not a word. They had Tash out there

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Speaker 2: They loved her. Shit, they loved her at LA. I

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Speaker 2: I thought we was in Phoenix like it was.

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Speaker 1: She's I'm saying it was as if she's still huge

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Speaker 1: like other games, she's telling these people. She told megana stylee,

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure to her face, when are we going

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Speaker 2: Honestly to me, it didn't make any Again, what we

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Speaker 2: just got to find the money, and Tash was the money.

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Speaker 2: And unfortunately she was just some collateral damage from them

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Speaker 2: especially with those players that they brought in. But I

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Speaker 2: Now that not that she ever needs one to play

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Speaker 2: sometimes it happens that way. But she definitely could become

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Speaker 1: I mean they should, because they basically clean house. I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, flipped on its head. I've always said that that's

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Speaker 2: like the best team that has never won a championship.

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Speaker 2: I think they have the most playoff wins with no championship,

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Speaker 1: Going to say statistically they are the best team.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, champion. So I was there one year twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 2: It was just not a good fit for me personally.

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Speaker 2: Obviously it wasn't a good fit for them because they

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Speaker 2: shipped me off. But looking back, I do think I

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Speaker 2: They were always missing that like outside shooting presence, and

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Speaker 2: I'm always watching them like, eh, I feel like I

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Speaker 2: could have filled that void. You know, maybe not immediately,

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Speaker 2: but if they gave me some time to develop, and.

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Speaker 1: Which is probably why they drafted you, right, they need that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I mean that's why I thought they drafted me.

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Speaker 2: And then I got there and I was like, why

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Speaker 2: me personally. But I've seen players go in and out

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Speaker 2: Even though they're not necessarily winning a lot and unrivaled

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Speaker 2: Yeah, to keep moving. Like I just I just don't

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Speaker 2: that they're going to go as Kelsey Mitchell goes. You know,

434
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,880
Speaker 2: she started the season hurt and came back and after

435
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 2: all Star break her and Caitlyn found this balance and

436
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 2: this cadence that made them very hard to guard, which

437
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 2: is why they were able to make the playoffs. So

438
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 2: I'm excited to watch them. I'm actually also excited to

439
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 2: play against them. I think all the noise from last year,

440
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,719
Speaker 2: obviously it's going to be there, but you add a

441
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:29,640
Speaker 2: ton of veterans that supposedly were hating on the rookies,

442
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 2: but all wanted to go play with her like they

443
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 2: wasn't hating. They was pissed that we have to chase

444
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,439
Speaker 2: her around all the time. But when you get the

445
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,880
Speaker 2: opportunity to play next to a player like that, you're

446
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,719
Speaker 2: gonna go. So I'm excited for them. I'm really excited

447
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 2: for Kelsey Mitchell. She has been with that Fever organization

448
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 2: since twenty eighteen when we got drafted together, and she's

449
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,679
Speaker 2: been through the good and the bad and the ugly.

450
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 2: So I'm happy that the way they welcomed her in

451
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 2: with her resigning, with the like little parade inside the arena,

452
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 2: the announce spence, the Pacers showed love like that's what

453
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,719
Speaker 2: Kelsey Mitchell deserves, and I'm really glad that they were

454
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 2: able to do that for her. Too.

455
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited to watch them. I and Caitlin. I

456
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 1: think people under rate because of all of the noise

457
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: about everything else, how good her rookie year was, like

458
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,199
Speaker 1: it was incredible, So for them, I think Indiana, but

459
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: it's not only people are also forgetting Aliyah, Like they

460
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,439
Speaker 1: have put a lot into drafting really good young talent,

461
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: and so it's like for them to be like, Okay,

462
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 1: we got our girl building what she needs around her

463
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 1: building this practice facility like making moves, I think is exactly.

464
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 2: Absolutely and like I said before, it's like so much

465
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 2: intention that I've never seen before and so much embracing

466
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 2: players just the way they are. You know, come here

467
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 2: and be exactly who you are, because that's the player

468
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 2: that we need you to be. That's the person we

469
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 2: need you to be. And I think that's going to

470
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 2: be such a big difference This WNBA season is also

471
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 2: because so many of us have been around each other

472
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 2: year round, Like usually we don't see each other until

473
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 2: the season starts again. So people being in Miami at

474
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 2: U rival, people being in Nashville with Au, Like, You're

475
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 2: going to see a different type of bond and camaraderie

476
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 2: and competitive energy because we're not like complete strangers anymore

477
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 2: to each other. And I think that's something that I mean,

478
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 2: you see the guys all off season, they playing pickup,

479
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,479
Speaker 2: They in La they and Mi Yami, They at the club,

480
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 2: they at the gym, like they doing all this stuff.

481
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 2: And as much as people complain about, oh, the NBA

482
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 2: is too friendly, now, like no, they like that because

483
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 2: they're all making each other better and they're all eating

484
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 2: off of that. And I think we're about to get

485
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 2: to that level. And you're going to see the WNBA

486
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 2: go to a different level because of that.

487
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: And it'll allow for less of this narrative, this caddie

488
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: drama everyone hates each other narrative because people are seeing

489
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 1: you interrocked in the off season. I also want to know,

490
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:02,959
Speaker 1: as far as Kaitlyn rookies, you mentioning franchises allowing their

491
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,439
Speaker 1: players to be who they are. One thing that me

492
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: and you have talked about a bunch of times is

493
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 1: rookies coming in and teams allowing them to play and

494
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 1: allowing them to struggle. Caitlyn had that rookie struggle at

495
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: the very beginning. If people were like, this is exactly

496
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: what everyone was talking about, this is what Diana Toroszi

497
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 1: was talking about. She's going to struggle and they just

498
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 1: let her play it out and she did eat So

499
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: that's like it's really important to let them have that.

500
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 2: There is an adjustment period and there's nothing wrong with

501
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 2: having an adjustment period. And because y'all didn't see our

502
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 2: adjustment periods, they were happening just at practice. We was

503
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 2: get our ass beat in practice. Like it's the same

504
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 2: for everybody. So even for her going through that struggle

505
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 2: front and center, like she handled it great. Same with Angel,

506
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 2: same with camp Rikia, all the rookies. I think they

507
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 2: all hit that wall briefly, some longer than others, and

508
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 2: they came out better on the other side because for

509
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 2: the first time they were able to just you know,

510
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 2: play through it, played through it. This year's Rocky class,

511
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 2: I don't know, because it is giving. Teams are trying

512
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 2: to like win right now, and it's I would say

513
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 2: like five or six teams in the w are trying

514
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 2: to win like right now. And the way they thought,

515
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 2: they've traded these picks around, like you here, you take

516
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 2: my pick, you take my good point.

517
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 1: I was about to say, though, some teams don't well

518
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: usually the team that has the number one pick is

519
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 1: a team that isn't in win now mode, but Dallas,

520
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 1: it is the lottery.

521
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 2: What kind of Dallas. They've made some moves to put

522
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 2: them in really good contention. They got Arique some help defensively,

523
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 2: they got players that are that know each other very well,

524
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 2: so that chemistry could definitely be beneficial. And then they're

525
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 2: going to get the number one pick. So you get

526
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 2: a little bit of energy and hype with getting the

527
00:27:52,600 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 2: number one pick, which I still can't believe. Yeah, yeah,

528
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 2: And they have the eighth pick and the twelfth pick. Wow.

529
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: Which is interesting for them to have made moves or

530
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: all of these great pieces that they have all of

531
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: these high draft picks and would have all of these

532
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: high quality young players. I'm surprised that they're not using those.

533
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 2: I mean, if you look at the Wings roster, they're

534
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 2: extremely young. So this might be let's grow together type energy.

535
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: It's giving like Okac and the NBA is like drafting

536
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 1: very well, allowing them to grow, and then in a.

537
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 2: Few years he'll be like, don't get me wrong, this

538
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 2: draft class is extremely talented as well. They might not

539
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,719
Speaker 2: have the hype like last year's draft class, but they

540
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 2: definitely have the talent. So again, this might be another

541
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 2: draft that we see a lot more intention behind, Like

542
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 2: you might think that this player is the best available,

543
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 2: but I think now they're probably going to start picking

544
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 2: best fit, which is which I don't like. On the

545
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 2: draft on the board they put best available, Like what

546
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 2: does that even mean? But I do like when now

547
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 2: they've now changed it, like depending on what position they need,

548
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 2: they have the best available for that position. For us,

549
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 2: it was just like the best available that team, Like

550
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 2: this team needs a center, but the players a point guard,

551
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 2: so so they would draft the point guard. Like what

552
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 2: that doesn't make sense?

553
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: But you gotta think if you have the opportunity, like

554
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: even if Indiana needed a center, they're not overlooking absolutely,

555
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, you gotta if it

556
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: depends on if it's a generational type of talent or

557
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: if it's like if you can sacrifice that for something

558
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: that can help you right now, I think.

559
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 2: It makes sense to satifize that it depends on the

560
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 2: needs of the team and just moving forward.

561
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: But there are some players who surpassed.

562
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 2: They need to and she was one of them, and

563
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 2: I think that they made the right call on that,

564
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 2: because they knew her play would attract better players to Indiana,

565
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 2: Like it's been hard for them to get players to

566
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 2: sign to Indiana because they're in Indiana, and because those

567
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 2: games typically were very empty. There was no energy behind

568
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 2: the fever since they won their championships when Tamika Catching's

569
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 2: was there. So Caitlin has basically come in and rejuvenated

570
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 2: the entire franchise and now it's an attractive place for

571
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 2: free agents to come. And I think that long term

572
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 2: they were thinking about that. I don't know what other

573
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 2: people were thinking of. You know, no one was gonna

574
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 2: go there with her and they're not gonna want to

575
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 2: play with someone like that, But like, why would you

576
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 2: not want to play with somebody like that? Like let's

577
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 2: let's not eat down here, like we're all basketball players

578
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 2: at the end.

579
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: Of the those are going to win. Those are people

580
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: on the WBA saying that those who didn't make the

581
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: JV basketball team, but.

582
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 2: They don't even be the manager for the JV basketball team. Okay,

583
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 2: we have one more team to hit on real quick

584
00:30:53,040 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 2: and Washington Mystics who have done nothing. Okay, Yeah, I

585
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 2: don't think Elena Deladon is ever returning? Can we hold on?

586
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 2: Can we stop for a second. The fact that Elena

587
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 2: Deladon just stopped playing. She was just like, I'm dead

588
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 2: and everyone was like, okay bye, Like she wasn't one

589
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,479
Speaker 2: of the best players to ever play in the WBA.

590
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: Do you have any.

591
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 2: I don't go on what happened there, And the fact

592
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 2: that people, oh, absolutely, the fact that people are just like, man,

593
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 2: it's just Lena Deladon, It's all right. Like the organization

594
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 2: has been in shambles since she's done that, and I

595
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 2: don't even know, because if.

596
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: You have a talent like that, you build around it,

597
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:45,239
Speaker 1: and like she brought them a championship and then it

598
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: was just like downhill from there.

599
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 2: She didn't play in the bubble season because she struggles

600
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 2: with lime disease, so that was like a health concern

601
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 2: for her. But ever since she made that decision, it

602
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 2: seems like they kind of had like weird energy towards her,

603
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 2: the organization, not the team, the organization, like the higher ups.

604
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 2: And then I think she was just like I'm done

605
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 2: with this, like I'm out of here.

606
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: Which makes sense. You want if you want to be respected,

607
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: I brought y'all a championship.

608
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 2: I'm huge.

609
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: The bubbles should be exactly. That was an unprecedented situation.

610
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: So especially since she had personal health issues. If you're

611
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: at an organization that's not taking that seriously and you're

612
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: doing that much for them, I'm going to make you

613
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: think you good without me.

614
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 2: Watch and now we see that they are not good

615
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 2: without her. I don't know, but not knowing anything about

616
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 2: it about it, like I don't know what the situation

617
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 2: is with like her rights if she's a free agent,

618
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 2: not like I don't know anything.

619
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: Wait, so are they still paying her?

620
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 2: I don't know.

621
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, because that could be that could be

622
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: part of the problem that they might have that salary

623
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: check and can't get rid of it because what team

624
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: would want to trade for somebody.

625
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 2: Because I'm not sure if you don't play a season,

626
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 2: if it counts against your years of service. So she

627
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 2: might've had like one year or two left on her contract,

628
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 2: but if she's not playing, then I don't think those

629
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 2: years get knocked off. But then I think if they

630
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 2: suspend her contract, it doesn't count on the salary cap.

631
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 2: They're not doing anything over there. I have friends that

632
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 2: play on that team. I hope that they are able

633
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 2: to do something. They lost their starting point guard, Julie

634
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 2: van Lou. Oh yeah, she went to the Valkyries. Van

635
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 2: Lou very important piece to that Miss six team last year.

636
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 2: So it seems like they also don't have a plan

637
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 2: in place. So I'm hoping that they're able to get

638
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 2: something because I have friends that I care deeply about

639
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 2: that play on that team and I want them to

640
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 2: be successful. And they have things there. They have a facility,

641
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 2: they have chefs, they have all the things, So I

642
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 2: need DC to get it together. Well.

643
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: Of all of these moves that we've discussed, who do

644
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: you think made the most WNBA landscape changing move?

645
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 2: The landscape changing I would have to say.

646
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: Like, who do you think it shifts the power dynamic?

647
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 2: Honestly, I might have to say Phoenix, And they were

648
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 2: like the catalyst of all this other movement and it

649
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 2: started with Phoenix, So I think they made the most

650
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 2: landscape changing move. I think they said like that was

651
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 2: like the most assets traded ever in w BA history

652
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 2: between them, what was it them, Dallas and Indiana. I

653
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 2: don't know. There was like so many teams. Again, we

654
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 2: were waiting for the domino to fall and I think

655
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 2: that the Phoenix, Marky, they were the domino that made

656
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 2: everything kind of start rolling in place. So yeah, as

657
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 2: far as landscape changing, I would say Phoenix. But as

658
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 2: far as like championship building contention, I would say Indiana. Wow, yeah, they.

659
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: Won a championship anytime soon?

660
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 2: Oh my god, would be nuts? What? Nuts? What? Honestly,

661
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 2: I don't know, and I hate that. I'm like, not

662
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,800
Speaker 2: like Sparks are gonna win, like, but I'm being serious,

663
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 2: I'm being for real. We are not going to finish

664
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 2: the last I know that, Like as I said after

665
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 2: last year, there's no way we can go. We can

666
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 2: only go higher. It can't be worse than last playoffs.

667
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 2: I haven't been a playoffs since twenty twenty two. Like see,

668
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 2: like in the last playoffs we won. So at least

669
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 2: I have a.

670
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: As I say, what you're to do become a w

671
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 1: twenty two right.

672
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 2: So at least I have like a good taste in

673
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 2: my mouth about it. Like at least I wasn't like

674
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 2: a loser in the playoffs, like we made it all

675
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 2: the way, but you know what that's like. And now

676
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 2: I want to be part of a team, like I

677
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 2: want to actually contribute for real, for real to if

678
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 2: I ever get in it and LA needs that, we

679
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 2: do need that. I mean, now we got we got

680
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 2: Luca magic now, so maybe they'll sprinkles. That's sure's the

681
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 2: magic on us.

682
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Speaker 1: Before we get out of here. You're an LA person.

683
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: We are not here to talk, Oh we must, but

684
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: you are. Yeah, you are a LA star and I

685
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: got to hear what you're hearing in La your reaction

686
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 1: to that tride.

687
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 2: I went to sleep that night at nine pm, right,

688
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 2: so that was seven pm Pacific time, so I missed

689
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 2: all of this. I woke up the next morning at

690
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 2: like seven am and the first thing I saw on

691
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 2: my phone was Luca is on the Lakers. And I

692
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 2: closed my phone because I was like, why are they

693
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 2: playing on my phone right now? Like what is this?

694
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 2: So I went back to sleep and I woke up

695
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 2: and it was everywhere and I was like, yo, they

696
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 2: traded Anthony Davis and we got Luca. I don't know

697
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 2: why I'm saying we. I'm a Celtics girl. Okay, let

698
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 2: me take that back. This is not we. You know this, Maria,

699
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 2: You're playing it on a Celtics girl. I can't say

700
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,439
Speaker 2: we the Lakers got Luca. He's still very much injured though,

701
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 2: so I'm.

702
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: Like, apparently he'll be back Saturday.

703
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 2: I'm sure he will be back Saturday.

704
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Speaker 1: I would be back yesterday. You believe that you stopped

705
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: me forgetting that super Max and the movie, I would

706
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,919
Speaker 1: be oh no, the MAVs would have no peace every

707
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: time they played me.

708
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 2: It'd be over that whole logic. And I mean, we

709
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 2: can circle this back to wn B A two is

710
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 2: like the conversations I saw surrounding, like, oh, players should

711
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 2: take less money to build these these teams and win

712
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 2: championships and and win games. And no, Luca got them

713
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 2: to the finals last year on like one, damn leg

714
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 2: by himself, damn near And.

715
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Speaker 1: I was always as far as player empowerment is concerned,

716
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: I always felt like the w NBA needed more and

717
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: the NBA needed a little less. Honestly, I was on

718
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 1: the side with the whole Jimmy Butler situation, thinking that

719
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: it was a little bit extra, that he was doing

720
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: a little bit too much. He's done this to too

721
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: many teams. And then after that Luca thing happened, it

722
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: completely changed my mind because even hearing you talk about

723
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: all of the turnover you've experienced about your career and everything,

724
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: and how hard that is for a player, For somebody

725
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: like Luca to do everything he could have possibly done.

726
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: I understand that he might be out of shape or

727
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: and that's his job, but for him to give that

728
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: franchise everything he possibly he did, he went above their

729
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: sailing last year, and for them to get rid of

730
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: him like the middle of thing, that showed me. That

731
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: showed me that if a player wants to leave and

732
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 1: they want to get their their good one on the team.

733
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 2: Do you because they do not care. They do not care.

734
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 2: And I know Jimmy Butler is sitting in his coffee

735
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 2: shop in Miami mad as shit that he's.

736
00:38:53,360 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 1: Still how the hell looka dog was before me. But

737
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: no one's untouchable.

738
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 2: No one is untouchable. And I think, like what Jimmy

739
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 2: Butler is doing, it's going to create a shift in

740
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 2: the NBA. We don't really have these issues in the

741
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 2: w and as like just we've I wouldn't say we've struggled,

742
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 2: but we've been in this fight so long in the

743
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 2: public eye, Like when the NBA guys were in this

744
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 2: fight for bigger salaries and better treatment and all that,

745
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 2: Like there was no social media, there was no internet,

746
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 2: Like we didn't really see that struggle and people didn't

747
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 2: really get to appreciate what those guys in the past

748
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 2: did for us. Like we're front and center, everybody watching us.

749
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 2: So I don't foresee us getting the things that we

750
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,760
Speaker 2: are fighting for and working hard for and then just changing,

751
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 2: like turning into these like pre madonnas, like I don't

752
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 2: like to call the guys prima donnas, but like they

753
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 2: are some of them are they are. I don't foresee

754
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 2: us turn into that. I think that we're going to

755
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 2: continue to operate the same, but now just with better

756
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 2: stuff and more money. And I think there's something instilled

757
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 2: in us as women athletes in general, that we're just

758
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 2: going to keep fighting for more and more and more

759
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,720
Speaker 2: and still move with grace and still move with respect

760
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 2: that sometimes I think gets lost on the other side.

761
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 2: But that's not just in sports, that's in every everything.

762
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: I think I was about to say, even with you

763
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: saying that that might be the case for you and

764
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: people with character like yours, you never know what's going

765
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: to happen with everybody else. And I'm glad you brought

766
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: up the fact that the NBA having that, like the

767
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: WNBA is still very young as a league, and so

768
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 1: to come into fruision in the nineties and go through

769
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: the growing process in front of the world as things progress,

770
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 1: it's hard to grow in front of the world of

771
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: having access to your salaries and everything that's going on

772
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: and discounting it, not even realizing that this is the

773
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: exact same thing that happened on the other side. We

774
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: just see it and it took a couple players, and

775
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: it took a surgeence of viewers, and it took some

776
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: continue and they say the level lockouts.

777
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 2: So that's something, yes, we've never experienced, which I hope

778
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 2: that we don't have to experience because that means that

779
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 2: we can't come to an agreement, which for right now,

780
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,280
Speaker 2: the things that we're asking for don't seem far fetched

781
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 2: in my opinion. But again, business is business. But like

782
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 2: we could be preparing for a lockout and that's like

783
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 2: very much a reality for something monumental to happen, that

784
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 2: might have to be the case, which I hope not.

785
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: I would argue though I don't foresee a WNBA lockout

786
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: happening because of social media, because of the empowerment of

787
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: having access to the public all the time, because even

788
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: I don't think people remember, like you have a ton

789
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: of followers, like Dujasha Cloud has a ton of followers,

790
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: like y'all are popular public figures, and if you tweet

791
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: something like about your situation, I can't remember who it

792
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: was who became a mother and she tweeted about her

793
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: team was a skeleton. But anyways, when those issues happen,

794
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: you have direct access to the public to explain what's

795
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: going on in your situation, and the public heres and

796
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: there becomes outrage.

797
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 2: I just hope that everything just goes smoothly, like that's

798
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 2: the best that you can I think it will ask for.

799
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 2: And I just feel like the eyes on the W

800
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 2: the eyes on AU, the eyes on unrivaled, it would

801
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 2: be unwise to lock out. You're basically just stopping the

802
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 2: momentum in its tracks completely, and I just I just

803
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 2: don't think that's the right thing to do.

804
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 1: I will say I've done my research on the fact

805
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,280
Speaker 1: that the WNBA and the MLS both were born around

806
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,720
Speaker 1: the same time, and the MLS just had their profit

807
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 1: changes and their salary changes and that stuff I think

808
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: last year, but it was because the teams started in

809
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: the owner started investing in number one high profile like

810
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: Messi and David Beckham and stuff like that. But also

811
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: because they started investing in soccer specific stadiums and that

812
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: was like the catalyst for it, and then that helped

813
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: them get different TV deals and then that changed salaries.

814
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: And that's like all happening kind of at the same time,

815
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: and that's what the WNBA is doing right now, having

816
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:17,720
Speaker 1: to step up with the facilities and stuff.

817
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 2: Investment is key. Investment is key. Before we go, we

818
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 2: gotta give our flowers. I have a flower today, Well

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00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 2: I have two flowers. Okay, So first flower goes to

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00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 2: Asia Wilson and Kaylyn Clark getting their jerseys retired flowers

821
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 2: for y'all congratulating, and then Asia will get an additional

822
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 2: flower because her signature sneaker drop today. I saw it's sick,

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00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 2: it's fire. I love it's soil, Kaitlin, Asia, flowers for y'all.

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00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 2: Don't know if you'll even hear this, but we love

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00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 2: what you're doing. We appreciate what you're doing for the

826
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 2: women's game. And this has been another episode of Full

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Speaker 2: Circle Emergency Pod.

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Speaker 1: Wait can I give a flower?

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00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: I want to give a flower to miss Big Angel Reese,

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00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: the Biggest, the Queen, that girl for retiring oh far.

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00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 1: That is everyone's dream And I literally bawled my eyes

833
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: out when I saw that video. You are making big moves.

834
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: You are that girl. Don't ever listen to what people

835
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 1: have to say because that I that inspired Michelle.

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00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 2: I look at our Queen's doing big things. I love

837
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 2: this for us. Women's sports is still on the rise,

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00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 2: on the come up, catch up, hop on the train.

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Speaker 2: We're still accepting new members, don't miss out, and this

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00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 2: has been another episode a Full Circle. We will see

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00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 2: y'all next week.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to Full Circle. We'll be back next

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00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: week with more basketball for the girls, by the girls.

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00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,880
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00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:58,200
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