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Speaker 1: You're listening to Bloomberg Law. Iowa is now one of

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Speaker 1: the most unfriendly states in the nation. A new law

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Speaker 1: signed by Governor Terry Brand's dad will, among other things,

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Speaker 1: let children use handguns on your adult supervision, enhance existing

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Speaker 1: standard ground laws, and let permit holders carry weapons in

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Speaker 1: places like the state capital. With us to talk about

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Speaker 1: this new law is George mox Sory. He's a professor

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Speaker 1: at Southern Illinois University School of Law, and he co

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Speaker 1: wrote the first law school casebook on the Second Amendment. UH, George, welcome.

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Speaker 1: Before we get into the law, I want to mention

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Speaker 1: that the nonprofit group every Town for Gun Safety has

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Speaker 1: publicly criticized this new law. That is a group co

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Speaker 1: founded by Mike by Michael Bloomberg, who's the founder and

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Speaker 1: majority owner of Bloomberg LP, the parent company of Bloomberg Radio. George, UM,

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Speaker 1: thank you for joining us. Uh. There are a lot

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Speaker 1: of provisions in this laws, some of which I mentioned,

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Speaker 1: some of which I haven't. What do you think is

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Speaker 1: the most significant part of it? Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: I think the most important ones, if I had to

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Speaker 1: sort of point to two or three of them are

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Speaker 1: The first is a stand your ground provision UM. The

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Speaker 1: second is the one that bars the state from confiscating

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Speaker 1: firearms and and sort of imposing extra limits on firearm

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Speaker 1: ownership and used during state emergencies. UM. And third is

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Speaker 1: the one about permit holder confidentiality. You know, the state

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Speaker 1: is not allowed to give out to the public UM

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Speaker 1: to make public the registries of of concealed carry permit holders.

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Speaker 1: So George, the standard ground provision expands from outside your

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Speaker 1: home or business to basically anywhere. Isn't there a high

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Speaker 1: probability that that could lead to confusion? And let's say

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Speaker 1: someone's drunk and a fight breaks out. Is that likely

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Speaker 1: to increase gun violence? So it shouldn't um. And the

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Speaker 1: main reason to believe it shouldn't is that it hasn't

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Speaker 1: in other states where stand your ground laws have been passed.

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Speaker 1: But another reason is that you know someone who's drunk

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Speaker 1: or someone who's intoxic as someone who is in the

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Speaker 1: wrong and more generally speaking, cannot claim the benefit of

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Speaker 1: a staniard ground law, so it doesn't apply to attackers

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Speaker 1: for example. UM. It still only applies in situations where

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Speaker 1: deadly force is used against an individual, and there's no

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Speaker 1: reason to believe to use your example of the the

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Speaker 1: intoxicated person, that's someone who's intoxicated would think that because

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Speaker 1: of a Staniard ground law, he's now allowed to use

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Speaker 1: his firearm, when um, in the absence of a Staniard

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Speaker 1: ground law, he wouldn't, you know, it's presumably under that

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Speaker 1: such in the improper use of a firearm by someone

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Speaker 1: who's intoxicated, the intoxication is causing the problem and causing

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Speaker 1: him to attack, and that's never okay. George, you mentioned

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Speaker 1: the change in the rules governing states of emergency. Can

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Speaker 1: you just tell us a little more about about the

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Speaker 1: change in the law there. Yeah, So, in in many states, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, where the governors can can declare states of emergency,

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Speaker 1: the guvern owner and the police and and the state

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Speaker 1: government in general has greatly broadened powers over its citizens

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Speaker 1: in many ways. Right. It can it can prevent m

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Speaker 1: it can it can impose curfews for example, or I

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Speaker 1: prevent people from moving about freely and so on. Um.

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Speaker 1: What this law says is that in those situations where

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Speaker 1: the government is least able to protect its citizens, almost

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Speaker 1: by definition, because there's an emergency going on, the government

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Speaker 1: cannot take away the state government cannot take away from

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Speaker 1: the individual's ability to protect themselves. And that's exactly what

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Speaker 1: happened after Hurricane Katrina in Louisiana. Firearms were confiscated from

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Speaker 1: from law law abiding gun owners who were using or

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Speaker 1: potentially I should say, what have you. You know, may

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Speaker 1: have had the need to protect themselves at a time

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Speaker 1: when when the state police forces were most unable to

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Speaker 1: do anything. Of course, and and that sort of common

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Speaker 1: knowledge we know about all the looting and all this

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Speaker 1: that was going on. Um you take away the means

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Speaker 1: from an individual to protect him or herself in that situation,

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Speaker 1: and really bad things can happen. George the magazine Guns

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Speaker 1: and m O ranked Iowa number thirty eight among the

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Speaker 1: best states to gun owners, top of the list Arizona, Vermont, Alaska.

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Speaker 1: Will this bill put Iowa at the top of the list,

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Speaker 1: It won't put it at the top. It will certainly

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Speaker 1: move it up in the list, though. But generally speaking,

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Speaker 1: most of these provisions are not unusual in for gun

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Speaker 1: friendly states um uh. For example, what Iowa still requires

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Speaker 1: that other states like Arizona and Vermont do not are

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Speaker 1: permits not only to carry handguns, but even to purchase them.

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Speaker 1: So in Iowa you still need to get a separate

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Speaker 1: permit that I believe is good for a year to

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Speaker 1: purchase a handgun. UH. States like Vermont in Arizona, which

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Speaker 1: which are near the top of the list, don't require

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Speaker 1: a permit to purchase, and they don't require a permit

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Speaker 1: to carry either. So one is, you know, one is

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Speaker 1: allowed by stay constitutional right to carry a firearm um

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Speaker 1: without without getting a permit for it. George, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to leave it there. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: joining us. George Moxtrey, Southern Illinois University School of Law professor,

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Speaker 1: talking about Iowa's new gun law.