1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: On the beck Dog Cast. The questions asked if movies 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: have women in them? Are all their discussions just boyfriends 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 1: and husbands? Do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef invest 4 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: start changing it with the beck del Cast. Ten minutes 5 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: ago we started the zoom call and we logged in 6 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: with Internet audio. Can pick it up, Caitlin, I have 7 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: no idea what songs. I wanted to record the Beck 8 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: Dol Cast because that is my job and it is fun. 9 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: It's a podcast. It's okay, I need to stop. Um. 10 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: I was really banking any picking up the song at 11 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: some point. Welcome to the Bechtel Cast. Uh, my name 12 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: is Jamie. My name is Caitlin Darante. I'm so sorry. 13 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: I don't know this movie north these songs well enough 14 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: to join in. Oh my gosh. I was like, I 15 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: it's it's one of those like I wouldn't have guessed 16 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: that I knew every single word to this musical, but 17 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: as I was watching back, I was like, oh, I 18 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: very much Wait which song was that ten minutes ago? 19 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: And there dancing? Okay? Wait? Is it the one where 20 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: he was like yeah? And then they see each other 21 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:28,199 Speaker 1: and they're like, I met you ten minutes ago. But 22 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: I'm ready to put my life on the line for 23 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: this love that we've discovered right when it's going down, right, 24 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: it's so, I mean, you're you're I'm like, okay, so 25 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: this is you know, fuck it, I'm in. I'm all in, right, 26 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: It's going to be really hard for me to plot. 27 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: I just there. We're covering Brandy Cinderella today on the 28 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: Bechtel Cast, and I mean we we should say what 29 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: the Betel cast is, but we were just saying off Mike, 30 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: I truly like getting ready for this episode was so 31 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: good for my mental health. This is the feel good 32 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: est movie in the world. It's feel great movie. I 33 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: love it, So I feel great movie. Yeah. So let's 34 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: let's skim over what the Bechtel Cast is so we 35 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: can just get right into talking about Cinderella. Um. This 36 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: is our podcast that analyzes movies from an intersectional feminist lens, 37 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: using the Bechtel test simply as a jumping off point, 38 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: and that, of course, is a mediumetric created by queer 39 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: cartoonists Alson Bechtel, sometimes called the Bechtel Wallace test, in 40 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: which our version two people of any marginalized gender have 41 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: to speak to each other. They have to have names, 42 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: and they have to talk about something other than a 43 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: man for at least two lines of dialogue. So, for example, 44 00:02:53,720 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: maybe Brandy and Whitney Houston talk about a pumpkin, whether 45 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: mice can become horses. I could just I'm like, I'm 46 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: going to be on the brink of just bursting out 47 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: into song for the entire episode, sing and I can't 48 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 1: even sing, so don't hold back. This is but God, yes, 49 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: that's what the Bechtel cast is. And I'm just so, 50 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,519 Speaker 1: I've had three cups of coffee this morning, and I've 51 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: seen Brandy Cinderella, uh five thousand times in the past 52 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: two days, because I just I was fully prepared for 53 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: the episode, and then I just kept going, it is 54 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: so okay before okay, let's actually let's bring our guests 55 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: in before I start ranting about how it's a crime 56 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: that there's no official soundtrack to this movie. Oh wow, Okay. Yes, 57 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: our guest is a journalist and actor, author of the 58 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: book The Pretty One on life, pop culture, disability, and 59 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: other Reasons to Fall in Love with Me, And you 60 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: remember her from our Cadet Kelly episode on our page. 61 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: Treon are a Matreon. It's Keio Brown. Welcome back, Thank 62 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: you for having me back. I'm so pumped to talk 63 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: about this movie. And it's literally truly one of only 64 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: three Cinderellas that I acknowledge, and it is number one. 65 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, Wait what are the other two? Just out 66 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: of Curi so ever after? Which is the Drew bring 67 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 1: More adapt and then the third one is duff one 68 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: where they're like in high school a Cinderella story for 69 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: the Road story, the Chad Michael Murray one. Yes, I 70 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: have to revisit that one that I remember. I just 71 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: I remember saying that movie, I don't know when it 72 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 1: came out, like middle school or something, and and finding 73 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: it so funny that like Hillary Duff was wearing actually 74 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: the tiniest mask, and Chad Michael Murray is like, who 75 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: is this woman? Literally he's in the dinner every day 76 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, I have no idea. Great. Well, 77 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: that's a common theme throughout all Cinderella stories where like 78 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: suddenly she u's on a nice dress and they're like, 79 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 1: who is this woman I've never seen before and it's 80 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 1: like her family has no idea who she is, just like, oh, 81 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: he's great. Um, Kia, tell us a little bit about 82 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: your history with this spoofy. I grew up with it, 83 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: like watching it. I think he was like, what straight 84 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: d V A dress V A dressice, And so I 85 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: like watched it constantly. Me and my sister would just 86 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: sit in front of the TV and sing the songs 87 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: to the top of our loves and I just was 88 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 1: like obsessed with the idea that Brandy was this princess 89 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: that this really cute guy also loved. And I was like, 90 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: that's gonna be me one day. Like I had all 91 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: these ideas of how I would just become a princess 92 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: because I love it. So I've really grown up with 93 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 1: that movie. I own two DVD copies because I lost 94 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: one and then I bought another one and find the 95 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 1: old one. So I watched it whenever I need like 96 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: a little bit of comfort. That's my go to conflict 97 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: movie for sure. Absolutely, it's perfect. Love it, Jamie, what 98 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: about you? Well, I'll go next, because mine's my history 99 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 1: is sad, well not sad, but it's just that I 100 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 1: don't have one. Okay, have you have you not seen 101 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: this one? Beore? I have never seen this movie before. 102 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: This is my first time watching it. That's so magical 103 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 1: for you. I'm so proud, Thank you so much. I know, 104 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: I feel like, to me, watching this movie was the 105 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: equivalent of just putting on a gown and going to 106 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 1: a ball and just having the night of my life. 107 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 1: I didn't know obviously, I knew that Brandy and Whitney 108 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 1: Houston were in it. What I didn't know was that 109 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:48,679 Speaker 1: Victor Garber was in it, or Whoopi Goldberg or Jason 110 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: Alexander or Bernard at Peters. So I'm just like, wow, 111 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: I'll star cast. What a fun romp. The costumes. What 112 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: are the costumes? Yo? Like, Like, it's just a lot 113 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 1: of color, and for some reason it makes so much 114 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: sense to me, Like it's just every color possible in 115 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: every piece of every outfit. And I'm like, yep, that 116 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: tracks makes sense. So many just shapes. It was so 117 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: I feel like anytime the nineties was all about these 118 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: just like let's insert a shape into an existing garment 119 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: and the boy or there are a lot of just 120 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: random shapes throwing outfits. I love it. Yeah, So it 121 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: was quite an experience for me seeing it for the 122 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: first time. Um, I think I just like Cinderella is 123 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: kind of I mean, I don't like fairy tales, and 124 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: this is like one of the ones that I I'm 125 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: just like, what's the point of this story? But this 126 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: version of it, I'm like, I'm on board. So it 127 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: really does. Um So, Jamie, what's what's your relationship with it? Yeah, 128 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: we had it on VHS. We were always watching it. 129 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: I this is definitely like my top Cinderella adaptation of 130 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: all times, Like there's no really conceivable reason why it 131 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: would not be. It's the best one. I remember, like 132 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: my cousins and I were watching this movie all the time. 133 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: And then once there's been three different adaptations of the 134 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: Rogers and Hammerstein Cinderella, and I remember my mom was like, 135 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: let's watch the one from when I was a kid, 136 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: and we watched two minutes of it and we're like, 137 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: fuck this, get like, bring ours back. It's the greatest. 138 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 1: And similar to you, Caitlin, I, I mean I had 139 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: no idea who all these like iconic character actors were 140 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: when I like, I knew whenne Houston, Brandy and Whoopie 141 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: Goldberg would probably be the three people I'd recognize as 142 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: a kid, But I was like, I didn't know what 143 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: Seinfeld was so it was nice to go back and 144 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: be like, oh, I know who like everyone is in 145 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: this movie. It's so good um, And I was really 146 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: I really enjoyed learning about the production history of this 147 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: movie too. It has like this this really interesting story, 148 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: so I'm excited to talk about it. Yes, because this 149 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: is a Disney property. I also went back and watched 150 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: the Disney animated one from nineteen fifty, which I think 151 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: I've only seen like once before as a child. It 152 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 1: was like not in my Disney rotation movies as a kid, 153 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: and I realized why now, because it is the most 154 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: irritating movie I've ever seen in my entire life. It 155 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: is simply boring. It is so boring. I literally saw 156 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: this one with Brandy before I saw that one, and 157 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:46,839 Speaker 1: I was like, okay, like I guess, yeah, there's no 158 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: reason there. It's so it's deeply infurious. There's like twenty 159 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: five minutes of just like mice exposition and like a 160 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: cat chasing mice around, and they all have like really 161 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: annoying voices, and like Cinderella is barely on screen for 162 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: the entire movie. It's like way more of a focus 163 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: on what the mice are doing and it's just like, sure, okay, 164 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: it's really the mice story. Yeah. And also that movie 165 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: is like seventy minutes long, but it feels like four 166 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: hours so long, so long, Yeah, because it's like nothing 167 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: has happened. I don't know. I'm like, it's a it's 168 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: a problematic, but it's not a boring story. But that 169 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: movie makes it boring. Yeah, but the Brandy no notes. 170 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just like, I don't know, five nipples, 171 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: Let's get out of here. Like it's perfect, Yes, it 172 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: really is. Oh my god. I just I think about 173 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: how much Brandy has done in her career and literally 174 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: how I would have to fight to be like the 175 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: best thing ever was Cinderella five and moment be like, 176 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm sorry, I'll not give you a second. 177 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: I just like, do you know what you did when 178 00:10:53,440 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: you did Cinderella? Like, has anybody told you? I hope 179 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: she knows. I hope she probably did. Like it would 180 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: be watching the I I went and I watched the 181 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: like what because it's like aired on TV originally and 182 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 1: they did like those um like half hour behind the 183 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: scenes documentaries where it's just like a bunch of berol 184 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: and it's Bernadette Peters hosting it, and she's being very 185 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: Bernadette Peters and she's like, so, how do you make 186 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: a movie about a princess? And it's just like all 187 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: this but it's like eighteen year old Brandy and she's 188 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: so like excited and she's so it's it just it 189 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: made me cry. And then especially her and Whitney together 190 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: recording together, it's just great. It's beautiful. Should I do 191 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: the recap and we'll go from there. Yeah, let's do it. 192 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: So we open on Whitney Houston singing about Cinderella stuff, 193 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: for example, pumpkins turning into carriages, glass slippers, and she's 194 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: saying that nothing is impossible. Then we cut to the 195 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: stepmother that's burned at Peter's, who has two biological daughters, 196 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: Minerva and Calliope, and one stepdaughter, Cinderella, who of course 197 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: is Brandy. They are out shopping in the village because 198 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: women be shopping. It looks it looks very like Beauty 199 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: and the Beast. The way that the village looked. I 200 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:32,439 Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, yeah, fun fact. This movie was 201 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: shot on the same lot that The Wizard of Oz 202 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: was and that's made me all emotional. And everyone was like, 203 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. Every fact I learned 204 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,079 Speaker 1: about this movie made me love it even more. Is 205 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 1: that cool? They like that was like Munchkin Land, and 206 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: then they turned it into Brandy Cinderella Land. Oh my gosh. 207 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: So Cinderella is not so much part of this family 208 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 1: as she works for them, as I serve the classic 209 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 1: Cinderella narrative is here. Then she sings a song about love, 210 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: and then we see a man played by Paolo monto 211 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: Ban in the village, also singing the same song about love, 212 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 1: and they do a duet for a while, right next 213 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: to each other, somehow, not noticing the other person, they 214 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,079 Speaker 1: walk So it made me laugh because I forgot how 215 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 1: close together they are, because it's like it must just 216 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: be a small set, but they're like three inches away 217 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:35,439 Speaker 1: from each other. But then they do finally cross paths, 218 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 1: and this man is smitten with Cinderella, but her evil 219 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 1: stepmother interrupts and drags her away, and that's like the 220 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: moment where you find out I don't know. I really 221 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: like the adaptation changes that this movie made because they 222 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: add in these like little like feminist moments for Cinderella 223 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: where he's literally chasing her around, which is not ideal. 224 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 1: But she has like this moment where she's like, what 225 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: are you doing? And then she says she wants to 226 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 1: be treated with kindness and respect and it's not normal Cinderella. Um, 227 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: I don't know, like I feel like Cinderella is not 228 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 1: known for standing up for herself or stating her values, 229 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: but Brandy Cinderella does. Like when he inserted it, yeah, 230 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: when he inserted that she wanted to just be treated 231 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: like a princess, and she was like no, because yeah, 232 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: it's to be treated with kind respect. And that's why 233 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: I also love the Drew barry More one, because she 234 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: is much of the same where it's like I'm not 235 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: going to let you like speak for me or think 236 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: that you know what I want. And I just loved that. 237 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: It's so good and it's like and and I love 238 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: I like that they add in like the I don't know, 239 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: like you understand why they like each other. You never 240 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: understand why the people like each other. In the Princess Movie, 241 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: they're like, oh, I want independence and I want like, 242 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: dare I say more than this provincial life? That and 243 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: was getting some very strong Disney's Aladdin vibes, because what 244 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: we're about to get is a big reveal that this 245 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: man is actually the prince in this kingdom, Prince Christopher. 246 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: But he has a habit of dressing as a commoner 247 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: and going out into like the kingdom to dare, I say, 248 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: escape the pressures of palace life, much like Princess Jasmine does. 249 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: I mean, at least Jasmine attempted a disguise. He really 250 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: is just walking around, Like, how does it everyone not 251 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: recognize him? I'm going to talk about shirt that middle. 252 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: It's like I'm going to not wear purple and my 253 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: shirt and still be a very hot prince walking around. 254 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: I don't have any problem with it. I love it. 255 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: It's hilarious. So Prince Christopher returns to the castle and 256 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: then this guy Lionel played by Jason Alexander, who I 257 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: don't really know exactly what his job is. He's like 258 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: maybe the royal advisor or something. His part was also 259 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: added it's not in the original and he only did it, 260 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: I guess they said because he didn't want to do 261 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: a role that was so closely tied to Seinfeld that 262 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: he only agreed to do. What if it was going 263 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: to be completely different? I guess I love that. It's 264 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: like I need to get out from the sheer cultural 265 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: weight of George Costanza. Yeah, and part of that is 266 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: that he's doing I could not place what accent he's 267 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: trying to do. God, but it's something like vague European accent. 268 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: And he's the only one who has it. Yeah, somebody 269 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: else tries it, access He's just like, it's me, I'm 270 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: doing it and nobody else is committing fried. I love 271 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: Jason Alexander. I always kind of forget. I was like, Oh, 272 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: he's just like a full on theater kid, like the 273 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: most theater kid energy it's possible. Loved it. So then 274 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: Prince Christopher goes to meet with his mother and father, 275 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:08,959 Speaker 1: the Queen and King a k A Whoopi Goldberg and 276 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 1: Victor Garber, and the Queen is like, by the way, 277 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: I'm throwing a ball tomorrow so that you can meet 278 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: a woman and marry her and produce an air. And 279 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: Prince Christopher is like, don't do that, because I want 280 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: to marry for love and I don't want you to 281 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: throw this ball. But the Queen kind of goes behind 282 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: his back and announces this ball anyway, and then there's 283 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 1: this whole Jason Alexander song about it. It's so good, 284 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 1: it's great, it's so good, it's great. I love it. 285 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 1: Christopher does he say, Christopher Robin, that can't be right, 286 00:17:50,720 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: but I think it's okay. Then it's mostly just a list. 287 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: Oh God, I cannot resist. So then we cut back 288 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: to the stepmother and Minerva and Calliope, who learned about 289 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: the ball and are very excited, and they start to 290 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: make preparations to go, and then Cinderella is like, oh, well, 291 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: all women in the kingdom are eligible to go, so 292 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: can I go? And the stepmother is like l O 293 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 1: L no, yes, and she's like anyways. Meanwhile, the prince 294 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: confronts his mother about the ball, and he's like, okay, 295 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: I'll go to your damn ball, but if I don't 296 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: find anyone there who I like, you'll let me find 297 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: love my own way. And she's like, fine, I guess. 298 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: So then the stepmother and stepdaughter's head off to the ball, 299 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: and Cinderella laments that she is not able to go. 300 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 1: She sings a song about it, but then who shows 301 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 1: up but Whitney Houston as her fairy godmother, and she 302 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:18,199 Speaker 1: does the whole fairy godmother thing. She turns the pumpkin 303 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: into the carriage and the mice into some horses, and 304 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:27,199 Speaker 1: then with some of the most iconic nineties TV movie 305 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: effects are taking place in this scene, she just I 306 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: love like Whitney. When he Whitney isn't casting the spell, 307 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: she just like expels this series of like clip art. 308 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: It looks like it does look like clip art. Yeah, 309 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: and then they make her like the effects when she's 310 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 1: flying next to the carriage. It's it's lucky she's Whitty 311 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: Houston because it looks real weird it perhaps it's not 312 00:19:55,880 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: great that one's horribone we drink episode. Yeah, and then 313 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 1: she don's Cinderella in a beautiful blue dress, and of 314 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: course the glass slippers, and the fairy Godmother is like, 315 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 1: don't forget this. Magic only lasts till midnight. So when 316 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: the clock strikes twelve, you gotta get out of there. 317 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: So Cinderella heads off to the ball. Cut to the 318 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: ball where Prince Christopher is dancing with a bunch of 319 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,959 Speaker 1: different women, but none are appealing to him, especially not 320 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: Minerva or Calliope. But then Cinderella arrives and Prince Christopher 321 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 1: sees her and he goes wouga, who's that? Oh my god. 322 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: Victor Garber also goes a wugas like, if I was yugger, 323 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: if I was like pous younger, it's great. I was like, wow, Victor, 324 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: I forgot Vigor Garber gets horny in this movie. Interesting, yes, 325 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 1: So then Prince Christopher and Cinderella start dancing, and everyone's like, 326 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: who's that And even cinderella stepmother and stepsisters do not 327 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: recognize her. Neither does the prince, even though they've met 328 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: in the village already, and it is unclear if she 329 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 1: recognizes him, but she appears not to because she doesn't 330 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: have any reaction. So again, if you if if as 331 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 1: soon as you put on more expensive clothes, you become 332 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: unrecognizable to every luxury clothing. She put her hair hairs, 333 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: so that was the real game changer, and he kind 334 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 1: of swooped his hair to the side, So there's some 335 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: major differences. Um. So they they're dancing together, they're hitting 336 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: it off. The stepsisters are spying on them in the background, 337 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:05,239 Speaker 1: and they sickly singing the boy is Mine, and then 338 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: the Queen asks Cinderella who her family is, thinking that 339 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: she must be from some like aristocratic family, and Cinderella 340 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: is like, oh no, they're going to find me out, 341 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: so she considers bailing, but then the fairy Godmother's like, no, stay, 342 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 1: everything's going to be fine. And then the Prince is like, 343 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I can't believe how much I love you. 344 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 1: But then the clock strikes midnight, so she has to 345 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: run off as her clothes turned back to rags and 346 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 1: her carriage turns back into a pumpkin, but she leaves 347 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: behind the glass slipper and the and the Prince has 348 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: no idea who Cinderella is or what her name is, 349 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,199 Speaker 1: so he wants to go around to every woman in 350 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: the kingdom so that they can all try on the 351 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 1: glass slipper to figure out who it belongs to, who 352 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: it fits, and so he does that it doesn't fit anyone. 353 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 1: He goes to Cinderella's house, but she has been locked away. 354 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: The step sisters are trying to cram their foot into 355 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: the glass slipper, and then finally Cinderella, she's like outside 356 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: dealing with the horses for some reason, and then Prince 357 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: Christopher is like, wait a minute, it's you put on 358 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: the slipper, and she's like it's me, and then they 359 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: kiss and then Whitney Houston flies again. It is I 360 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: love that, Oh it's me. I love that red touching 361 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 1: on what happens. I just and that is the story. 362 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break and then we'll come right 363 00:23:51,040 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 1: back to discuss. And we're back. Where should we start 364 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: talking about this incredible movie? Well, Jamie, do you wanna 365 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: did you have a context corner for like the production 366 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: and stuff. There's truly so there's so so, so so much. 367 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm going to sprinkle it throughout our 368 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:21,360 Speaker 1: discussion because it, um yeah, there's just like so much there. 369 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 1: There was a really really good um oral history published 370 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: about this movie a couple of years back, I think 371 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: for the twentieth and diversory on Shonda Land. Let me 372 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 1: figure out who compiled it, because it was amazing. Kendra 373 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 1: James um just talking about kind of how this movie 374 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: came together, the kind of resistance to getting it made, 375 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 1: and how um you know, Brandy was like the first 376 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 1: black Disney princess. So I mean, yeah, I guess let's 377 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: start talking. I guess the thing I didn't realize going 378 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: into this is that this movie was um produced by 379 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: Deborah Martin Chase and that she was like this huge 380 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 1: driving force. So Debora Martin Chase, We've covered a lot 381 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: of her work, but I don't know if we've ever 382 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: really talked about her in depth. But she is an 383 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:16,719 Speaker 1: iconic producer of children's media who is really been pushing 384 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,199 Speaker 1: for representation in media for a really long time. She 385 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: was Whitney Houston's producing partner for a while. They met 386 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: when she was producing The Preacher's Wife, but she went 387 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 1: on to like be the driving force of Cinderella. She's 388 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: the driving force for the Princess Diaries movies, She's the 389 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 1: driving force for the Cheetah Girls movies. Like she like 390 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 1: basically single handedly constructed millennial childhoods. And it was really 391 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 1: cool seeing like just kind of her and Whitney Houston's 392 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 1: driving this project and you know, not taking no for 393 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: an answer when there was pushed back on black Cinderella, 394 00:25:55,400 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: on having a very diverse cast, and yeah, So the 395 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,880 Speaker 1: story of how it was made I thought was so lovely. 396 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 1: It is. I mean, all I know is that first 397 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,360 Speaker 1: Whitney wasn't even trying to do it, but Brandy only 398 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: agreed to do it if Whitney was her very godmother, 399 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: which I just think it's the absolute sweetest thing. Like 400 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 1: she was like, I'm not going to do what it 401 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: was You're my favorite godmother, and Whitney was like, I'll 402 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: do it. It's so not like I didn't realize. Yeah, 403 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,439 Speaker 1: So I guess when this project was conceived, Whitney was 404 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: going to be Cinderella, and then production was stalling, and 405 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: I guess also it was really hard for people to 406 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 1: Whitney Houston was just like busy and what was not 407 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 1: emailing people back or not whatever phone because nineties so 408 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: literally three years passed and then I think and then 409 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: Whitney essentially is like I think I am now too 410 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,880 Speaker 1: old to play Cinderella. And so Whitney it was Whitney's 411 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:58,959 Speaker 1: idea to cast Brandy Um. She called Brandy and like 412 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 1: I was like, let's do this, and Brandy was so 413 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: excited and it was so nice to like they. I guess, 414 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: like Whitney Houston was Brandy's hero growing up and like 415 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 1: was the biggest like musical influence of her life and 416 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: like motivated her to want to be Brandy in the 417 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 1: first place. And then when this movie started, Whitney Houston 418 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: kind of became her like real life mentor um, which 419 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 1: I don't know, it makes me cry to think about. 420 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: And and Whitney Houston talked about in interviews how like 421 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 1: she was mentoring Brandy, she also mentored Monica and because 422 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: she had been mentored when she was a young artist 423 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 1: by Dionne Warwick and was also a relative. Yeah, Like 424 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: it just warmed my heart to look at footage of 425 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 1: Brandy and Whitney for this is like so good, um 426 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 1: so yeah, And it was like the most expensive TV 427 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,919 Speaker 1: movie ever made at the time. There was a little 428 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: bit of pushback from Disney where this this made me 429 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 1: like roll my eyes back into my head. Uh. There 430 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 1: was a Disney executive who everyone very kindly refused to name, 431 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: even though I'm like, what was their name? But once 432 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: it was clear that Whitney was going to be the 433 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 1: fairy Godmother, there was a producer who was like, well, 434 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: you know, uh, maybe we should have a white Cinderella. 435 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: Maybe we should ask Jewel. It was like, maybe we 436 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: should ask Jewel, um so, but the entire production team 437 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: was like, absolutely, are absolutely not even speaking to Jewel 438 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: or thinking about her. Um that would have been so 439 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: weird given everybody else, like if if everybody was the same, 440 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: except for it would have been so weird. Yeah, like 441 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: she makes this movie so yeah, it's uh. And then 442 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: all the all the casting from their kind of like 443 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: fell into place. One fact that I found very just 444 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: like huh was that they ran out of money on 445 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 1: the production, and Disney was like, we're not going to 446 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: pay extras anymore. So what Pie Goldberg gave away like 447 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: two days pay to pay extras? I was like, fucking Disney, 448 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: what is wrong with them? They were really they had 449 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: to have been just upset that it was being made 450 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: right like that. That that had to be a lot 451 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: of it, and them being like, no, we're not paying 452 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: the extra because there were a lot of extras. So 453 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: I just can't imagine being like, we're not paying all 454 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: these people for their time and energy. So especially it's 455 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: like what do you want a reverse shot that's empty? 456 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: Like what are you even saying? Um? I also the 457 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,959 Speaker 1: the other I guess background thing that I thought was 458 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: you know, encouraging because this movie is still ultimately written 459 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:03,719 Speaker 1: and directed by guys um, which is like you do 460 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: hate to hear it as far as the writing goes. 461 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: I at least found it somewhat encouraging for like in 462 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: this oral history, the writer of this movie, Robert Friedman, 463 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: talked about the elements that he wanted to add to 464 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: kind of update the story for the nineties, and I 465 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: thought it was a really um you know, I was 466 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:30,959 Speaker 1: like not to be out here giving men credit, but 467 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: I but I liked how he talked about adapting and 468 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: updating the character because he literally just says he spoke 469 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: to women in his life of what they would like 470 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: to see in a Cinderella, which is truly, uh where 471 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: you start? Um? But I want to find a quote. 472 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: Do you have a quote from him? Do? Okay, go 473 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: for it. Yeah. I was reading that he made a 474 00:30:55,080 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 1: deliberate attempt to modernize the Cinderella character. Who again, if 475 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: you're comparing it to earlier renditions of the character, you 476 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: know there's a lot of room for updates. So he 477 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: would like personality. It's like she's no personality, She's barely 478 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 1: on screen. Um, So he wanted to ensure that she 479 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 1: was a stronger, more active character and to provide her 480 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: with kind of her own story arc beyond waiting around 481 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: to be rescued by a love interest. And I have 482 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: a quote from him, quote I'm not saying that it's 483 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: the most feminist movie you'll ever see, but it is 484 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 1: compared to the other versions. And I was like, you 485 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,959 Speaker 1: know what, you're not wrong, And I like, I mean 486 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: the elements that he adds to Cinderella's character, because it's like, 487 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 1: you know, he's not really if we're adapting the story, 488 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: there's only so much you can do. But I thought 489 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: that what he added to Cinderella and to the Prince too, 490 00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: like really did work. And so my understand was the 491 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: elements he added was that whole exchange with them at 492 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: the beginning, UM was pretty significantly altered because Cinderella has 493 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: never previously said that she wants love in respect or 494 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: wants really anything, and so adding that element to her character, UM, 495 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: adding like what a huge imagination she has, Like her 496 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 1: goal is not to get married, it's too like live 497 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 1: happily UM. And And I like how the conversations between 498 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: Cinderella and her godmother are tweaked a little bit where 499 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: the godmother tells her like, you know, I'm trying to 500 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: remember the exact exchange, but like it was within you 501 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 1: the whole time, and like you can do whatever you want, 502 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 1: and it's a very like nineties feminism message, but it 503 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: like it really hits in this movie. I'm like, yeah, 504 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 1: because it does. It doesn't. At the end um when 505 00:32:55,760 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: they meet each other again, she's leaving. She she had 506 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: a stuff cap, she had a bag and everything and 507 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: on a little stick or whatever. Oh that's why she's 508 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: you know, getting hassled by the horses, which is not 509 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 1: really the most effective lay but norma um. But yeah, 510 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: she was leaving. She was like, I'm not gonna take 511 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: this anymore. I'm gonna go. So it wasn't like she 512 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: was like I'm going to run in the castle and 513 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: see if he remembers me. She was like, I'm just 514 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: gonna reave and not come back. So that's what it 515 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: was the thing, and I love that too, where it's like, 516 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: I just think it's really good that they made a 517 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: movie where her whole goal wasn't to fall in love 518 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: and meet the prince. It was that she wanted to 519 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: get out of the life that she was currently living, 520 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: which makes it that much more speeder. When the step 521 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: mom and the stepdaughters are lit to be outside the 522 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: gate at the at the castle like we love you 523 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: like and she's like, where was that energy for the 524 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: rest of our life prior to that. But Okay, it's 525 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: great because in other versions, I think she forgives her 526 00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: step family, like oh yeah, you horribly mistreated me, but 527 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm so nice. Everyone has flaws, You're like, yeah, yeah, 528 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 1: because there's like a Cinderella too, right in the Disney one, 529 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: the like there's a second Cinderella movie and it's like 530 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 1: Cinderella to back in time. And here's why I know that, 531 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: because like, here's what I know. Even I hated the 532 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 1: other one. Um, it's because the step sister gets the 533 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: redemption arc. One of the step sisters met to Baker 534 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,840 Speaker 1: and realizes that shears me have to be trashed. Um, 535 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: it's just the choice that she was making. And and 536 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: I only know that because of the Internet. Well I wonder, 537 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:42,840 Speaker 1: I feel like I probably because that was like a 538 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 1: straight to VHS sequel vibe. I don't remember seeing it, 539 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 1: but I'm sure I did, Like I know I saw it. 540 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 1: I saw it once, But I know for a fact 541 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,359 Speaker 1: that like that's what happens because people talk about it 542 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 1: on Twitter. I don't know why, I truly don't, but 543 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: they do. I feel people love to talk about Disney 544 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 1: straight to VHS stuff on Twitter, like no exaggerate the 545 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 1: like do you want to pop in and talk about 546 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 1: you know, v tapes, let's do. I've definitely seen a 547 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,399 Speaker 1: threat or two about like The Little Mermaid too, which 548 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: oh yeah, because it's just they truly were like what 549 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:28,439 Speaker 1: if we had Ariel but with Eric's hair? And then 550 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: also we did Ursula except Geese shorter, like that's that's 551 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: the movie. But yeah, I really like in this version 552 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: of Cinderella, the movie attempts to establish that Cinderella and 553 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 1: the Prince have something in common, um, which again is like, well, 554 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: it's very I don't know if it's like necessarily borrowed 555 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 1: from Aladdin, but it's like they both live sheltered lives 556 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: and they wish they could just kind of escape and 557 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,879 Speaker 1: like live their own lives. And because like, the thing 558 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 1: that really bothers me about a lot of romantic storylines 559 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 1: in movies is that, like no attempt is made to 560 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: show why the two characters are compatible. So I was like, Okay, 561 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 1: we have some compatibility here. That's nice. I love that 562 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 1: they have the same conversation at the end of the 563 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 1: movie as they do in the in the beginning when 564 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 1: they're in the village, and I'm just like, ah, this 565 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:30,399 Speaker 1: is nice. I also appreciate that you see representation of 566 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 1: a man like loving love and like wanting to marry 567 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,239 Speaker 1: for love and who's like he's like constantly swooning. His 568 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:44,320 Speaker 1: whole arc is like let me feel my feelings, mom 569 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 1: and dad. It's beautiful. It's beautiful because that that like 570 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 1: hopeless romantic characteristic is like not a trait that is 571 00:36:55,560 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 1: normally ascribed to men. So I like really enjoyed what 572 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 1: felt to me like a pretty big subversion that, Like 573 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 1: he was like I love love and I can't wait 574 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 1: to be in love and find the woman that I love. 575 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,760 Speaker 1: And um, right, yes, I agree. I think that it's 576 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 1: it's smart too, because even when they were at the ball, 577 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 1: he was just like smitten with her immediately and he 578 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 1: was like, what's the song is like, um, do I 579 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,840 Speaker 1: love you because you wonderful? Or are you wonderful? Anyway? 580 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 1: The point is it's just like he's still yes, right, 581 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 1: So he's just so ready to be romantic and be 582 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,400 Speaker 1: up and I just love that he was like I 583 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 1: want to lock it down, Okay, I've never Yeah, that 584 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,799 Speaker 1: change is so effective because I feel like normally we 585 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,000 Speaker 1: see princess who I just don't want to get married, 586 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,399 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden they do. Um, and 587 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: we don't really know why because the people they married 588 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 1: and are just women that don't have any personalities, that 589 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 1: also only want to get married. But it's like his 590 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 1: defining characteristic is he is ready to commit. All of 591 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:07,399 Speaker 1: a sudden, the plot works a lot better and like, yeah, 592 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 1: I also love that the dynamic and I think this 593 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,799 Speaker 1: is maybe just something that was in the original musical too, 594 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 1: but the dynamic between um, the King and Queen is 595 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 1: so loving and like fun. Right they don't hate each other? Yeah, 596 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,360 Speaker 1: I don't, And just like I don't know Whoopi Goldberg 597 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:31,759 Speaker 1: and Victor Garber's chemistry is like they're just adorable to guy, 598 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 1: I just love them. I will because they throw Jason 599 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:43,799 Speaker 1: Alexander off the ladder like rampled so many times in 600 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 1: this movie. Um, and that's a class issue major, There's 601 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 1: there's a whole class conversation to be had about this 602 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,319 Speaker 1: just kind of story in general. But we'll get there. 603 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,239 Speaker 1: But I wasn't quite as I mean, as much as 604 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,319 Speaker 1: I love Whoopi Goldberg and d Garber and also we're like, 605 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,200 Speaker 1: wait a minute, this movie came out in late nineteen seven, 606 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 1: wasn't this also the exact moment that Titanic was coming out? 607 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,959 Speaker 1: I have an anecdote about that. There's in this I 608 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 1: swear like everyone, I highly recommend this oral history. It 609 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,239 Speaker 1: put me in the best mood, um because they got 610 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,520 Speaker 1: to talk to I mean pretty much everyone except unfortunately 611 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,080 Speaker 1: Whitney Houston, but like everyone else didn't interview for this, 612 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,279 Speaker 1: and so you just get all these great anecdotes where 613 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 1: I guess, like Paolo mantle Bond was like, yeah, when 614 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 1: we were shooting this was shot after Titanic because it 615 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 1: was a TV movie, so it was shot like pretty 616 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,480 Speaker 1: close to the time it came out. Um, But he's like, yeah, 617 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,279 Speaker 1: I don't know. Victor on the set was like complaining 618 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,560 Speaker 1: that he had had to shoot this movie in like 619 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 1: this huge water tank in Mexico for six months and 620 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 1: he wasn't sure if it was going to be any 621 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,960 Speaker 1: good and it went way over budget. And he's like, 622 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:57,319 Speaker 1: it turns out he was talking about Titanic like ship 623 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,400 Speaker 1: so god. Um, but yeah, I mean the way and 624 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,319 Speaker 1: this isn't like the biggest gripe, but I felt the 625 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,720 Speaker 1: way mothers were represented in the movie was a little 626 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,320 Speaker 1: like I'm not sure about this because like Whoopie is 627 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:18,279 Speaker 1: characterized as being like very overbearing and meddlesome and like 628 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 1: obsessed with her son's romantic life. And then there's this 629 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 1: moment where she's talking to Prince Christopher and she's like, 630 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 1: your father and I were just talking about you, and 631 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 1: Victor Garber's like, well, your mother was talking. I was 632 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:36,560 Speaker 1: listening because you know, women be talking too much, but um, 633 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,880 Speaker 1: and then there's a whole other separate conversation to be 634 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,799 Speaker 1: had about like the stepmother and the step sisters. But 635 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,319 Speaker 1: I wanted to quickly go so I guess overall, like yeah, 636 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 1: I like, you know, the king and queen dynamic, but 637 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,279 Speaker 1: I'm also just like I feel like some kind of 638 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,839 Speaker 1: like trophy things were being employed there. Yeah, I mean, 639 00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,920 Speaker 1: it's it's hard. It's hard because it's like I totally agree. 640 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,000 Speaker 1: And then that's also so cooked into Cinderella that it's 641 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 1: the way that because I mean, and and I guess 642 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,920 Speaker 1: there would have been there, it wouldn't have been hard 643 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,480 Speaker 1: to make it less that like the dad gets it 644 00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:17,560 Speaker 1: and the mom is being overbearing in the same way that. 645 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,839 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, does any woman over like 646 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:27,960 Speaker 1: thirty five gets a raw deal in these stories where 647 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,800 Speaker 1: it's you know, especially in the fairy Tales, they are 648 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,840 Speaker 1: like jealous, or they are vengeful, or or they're just 649 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 1: kind of I don't know, acting maliciously towards anyone younger 650 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,200 Speaker 1: than them that they see as a threat. I guess, 651 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,319 Speaker 1: I mean, and that's definitely a conversation with the stepmother. 652 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,680 Speaker 1: I think my only defense is I like Whoopi Goldberg, 653 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:54,760 Speaker 1: and I like Victor Garb, and so I was like, actually, 654 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:59,120 Speaker 1: when I was I I watched um, the Julie Andrews 655 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:03,640 Speaker 1: version of this musical, and the problems stuck out way 656 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:09,399 Speaker 1: more because I was not emotionally attached to the cast. Um. Yeah, 657 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,520 Speaker 1: that makes sense. It's true. When you get Whoopy in there, 658 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,239 Speaker 1: you get Victor Garber, you get Whitney Houston, you're just 659 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:20,040 Speaker 1: she's any behavior. And I think my only defense of 660 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,480 Speaker 1: the earlier party that movie is again when they were 661 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,319 Speaker 1: at the ball and he makes the clip about how 662 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,480 Speaker 1: if he was like fifteen years younger than he's, like, 663 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,959 Speaker 1: I'd just be younger, dear like to try to play 664 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,160 Speaker 1: off the fact that he was like, Oh, she's up, 665 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,960 Speaker 1: she's a snack. But my defense of that was it 666 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:40,640 Speaker 1: was like how he said something about how they reminded 667 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,960 Speaker 1: him how they fell in love. So it made me 668 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,520 Speaker 1: feel better in the context because I was like, Oh, 669 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,560 Speaker 1: so he's not just like annoyed with how much she 670 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,360 Speaker 1: talks or like how overbearing she is, because he just 671 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,839 Speaker 1: remembered how they fell in love. So they're just like 672 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:59,840 Speaker 1: parts of who she is. That like he just loves anyway. 673 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,719 Speaker 1: I like that they're actually in love, like kings and 674 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,560 Speaker 1: queens are never in love for real. Now, even in 675 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,160 Speaker 1: the Drew Barrymore One, the parents hate each other, like 676 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,839 Speaker 1: they say in the movie multiple times, like oh, our 677 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:19,160 Speaker 1: marriage was arranged, and like she just looked disgusted the 678 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,239 Speaker 1: fact that her husband is the way hate he is. 679 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,000 Speaker 1: And even though Drew Barrymore's character falls in love with 680 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,360 Speaker 1: their son and their marriage is obviously going to be 681 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:32,280 Speaker 1: happier than his parents, it's just like a constant comedy 682 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,400 Speaker 1: thing where like the older couple or the other couples 683 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,920 Speaker 1: you see within a fairytale like that I don't like 684 00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,200 Speaker 1: each other. So they're still in love. They're holding hands. 685 00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:46,360 Speaker 1: It's right, it's sweet, I don't know, holding hands, walking 686 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:53,480 Speaker 1: over what's his first Jason Alexander. There we go. It's 687 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,000 Speaker 1: what a true I really love that shot because it 688 00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,680 Speaker 1: goes on like a little bit too long for some reason, 689 00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,400 Speaker 1: where they throw j is An Alexander off the ladder 690 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,359 Speaker 1: and then they both like turn in Unison and they're like, 691 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,919 Speaker 1: oh well, and then they just stroll away. Oh another okay. 692 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,840 Speaker 1: Another fun fact about this is almost everyone in this 693 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,200 Speaker 1: movie is wearing costume jewelry, obviously because it's a TV movie. 694 00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:20,440 Speaker 1: But Whoopi Goldberg refused to wear a costume jewelry. She's like, 695 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,800 Speaker 1: if I'm playing a queen, I'm going to wear Harry 696 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:27,520 Speaker 1: Winston jewels. And she called I guess she had a 697 00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:31,320 Speaker 1: hook up at Harry Winston. And so everyone's wearing costume 698 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:35,200 Speaker 1: jewelry except for any shot Whoopy Goldberg's and she's wearing 699 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:41,200 Speaker 1: literally five million dollars worth of jewels. Thought was, it's 700 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,839 Speaker 1: so great, Like if you're gonna make if we're gonna 701 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,480 Speaker 1: take a stand, let it be that one when you're like, 702 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,160 Speaker 1: you know what, No, I want, I want the real thing. 703 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:52,200 Speaker 1: I don't want costume jewelry. If I'm not dripping in diamonds. 704 00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,120 Speaker 1: Then I'm not playing a queen. I can't get into 705 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,920 Speaker 1: the role. Like I just thought it was so fun 706 00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,000 Speaker 1: because it once once I knew that, and I rewatched 707 00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:05,600 Speaker 1: with that knowledge. Everyone else's jewelry looks aggressively fakes are like, 708 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:11,080 Speaker 1: oh yeah that is a ruby. Wow, what a flex um. 709 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,960 Speaker 1: I know, it's so good. I wanted to go quickly 710 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:19,000 Speaker 1: back to Prince Christopher because one of the things that 711 00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:23,640 Speaker 1: I think is maybe is now pretty dated and like 712 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,040 Speaker 1: very obviously dated to us, is that he one of 713 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,120 Speaker 1: the reasons he likes her is because she's not like 714 00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,720 Speaker 1: the other girls, which he likes, literally says several times. 715 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,680 Speaker 1: He's like but it's like, okay, so here's here's this. 716 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,600 Speaker 1: I just kind of want to break down. One of 717 00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:43,320 Speaker 1: the initial conversations they have where they meet in the village. 718 00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,239 Speaker 1: He's talking about, oh, how does a stranger get to 719 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,600 Speaker 1: be in your good graces and like get to know 720 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,560 Speaker 1: you better? And she's like, well, does this stranger know 721 00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,000 Speaker 1: how a woman wants to be treated? Ka, you already 722 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,200 Speaker 1: I think mentioned like brought up part of this conversation, 723 00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,440 Speaker 1: and he's like, like a princess and she says no, oh, 724 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:04,319 Speaker 1: like a person with kindness and respect. And he's like, oh, 725 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,120 Speaker 1: you're not like the other girls, are you? And she 726 00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:13,080 Speaker 1: says what do you mean? He says nothing, I don't 727 00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,400 Speaker 1: mean to offend you. And it's just like, no, you 728 00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,719 Speaker 1: just offended an entire gender of people. That's all you did, 729 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:25,000 Speaker 1: Christopher um. And then later the queen is like, you're 730 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,239 Speaker 1: not going to find her, so just like think about 731 00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,640 Speaker 1: choosing one of those other girls from the ball and 732 00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,080 Speaker 1: he's like, the girl was not like the others. She's 733 00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,200 Speaker 1: different from any other girl I've ever met. And then 734 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,359 Speaker 1: Whoopy is like, how can you know that after one night? 735 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:44,960 Speaker 1: And we're like, yeah, that's a great question, Whoopy. I 736 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,560 Speaker 1: mean ideally that's what I was like when like I 737 00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:53,840 Speaker 1: know myself watching it in a much it was brandy 738 00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:58,880 Speaker 1: that's that's you know. But yeah, that is like a 739 00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,960 Speaker 1: very like of the time sentiment for what a romance 740 00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,239 Speaker 1: is based in. It's like, oh, well, I like her 741 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,680 Speaker 1: because she's not like other girls, because other girls are 742 00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:14,600 Speaker 1: boring or other girls don't read, like that's usually yes, 743 00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,759 Speaker 1: so like she has a book, so it's pretty low 744 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,319 Speaker 1: bar to clear, and like this might just be a 745 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:30,560 Speaker 1: good old fastened misogyny just casual. Um, I mean speaking 746 00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:37,200 Speaker 1: of other girls, let's talk about the step Sisters. Yes, okay, 747 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,600 Speaker 1: can I go first? Yes? Please? Okay? Said that? All right? 748 00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,360 Speaker 1: So the Stepsisters were terrible, but also I loved that, 749 00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,279 Speaker 1: Like I don't know if it's because the one who 750 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:55,239 Speaker 1: played is it Minerva just passed away? Yes? Yes, rest 751 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,080 Speaker 1: in peace to a real one. Um, but I loved them. 752 00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,800 Speaker 1: They were such a mess. I love the little quirks 753 00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,759 Speaker 1: about how one of them laughed too loud and the 754 00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,040 Speaker 1: other one it's herself when she was nervous, and like 755 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,160 Speaker 1: the hat thing was so funny to me, like a 756 00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,759 Speaker 1: little bit where they're like who looks better than this hat? 757 00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,319 Speaker 1: And she's like, I don't think it finds either of 758 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,920 Speaker 1: you and they're like, what do you know? It's a 759 00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,400 Speaker 1: terrible Like it's because it's such a bad hat and 760 00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,920 Speaker 1: they're such a bad people. But when they sing the 761 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,320 Speaker 1: song at the ball, that's like, um, how can I 762 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:27,959 Speaker 1: for I love a girl like her, a girl who's 763 00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:31,400 Speaker 1: Mary lovey? I'm like, yes, I mean I would be 764 00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,319 Speaker 1: like I would be a hater as well, you know, 765 00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,719 Speaker 1: I would hate. I would hate for the guy that 766 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,120 Speaker 1: I love for no reason at all, like know nothing about, 767 00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,279 Speaker 1: but like I love him because it's a prince and 768 00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,600 Speaker 1: I want to be a princess. And I just liked 769 00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,160 Speaker 1: I think that they worked really well together, those actresses, 770 00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,680 Speaker 1: and I just think about them in terms of, um, 771 00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:51,839 Speaker 1: one of my favorite songs in the movie is in 772 00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:55,439 Speaker 1: My Own Little Corner when she's like talking about how 773 00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,399 Speaker 1: she's just their little servant and they're like send they're 774 00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:04,000 Speaker 1: all of warm milk and and um, Cinderella hot water, 775 00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,200 Speaker 1: and Cinella is just over it, like they're just so 776 00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,000 Speaker 1: rotten to her and they're terrible. But but I feel 777 00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,359 Speaker 1: like I liked it because you see how insecure they 778 00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,120 Speaker 1: actually are, like they don't really have anything going for it, 779 00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,520 Speaker 1: so like oh when Nervous speaks big Latin, but like 780 00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:22,799 Speaker 1: who cares about And it's just like they're like we 781 00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,279 Speaker 1: love you, like and you don't really love her, You're 782 00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,760 Speaker 1: just just jealous and hoping to get some of her scraps. 783 00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,440 Speaker 1: And I felt like that was played really well. So 784 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,520 Speaker 1: I think about them often in terms of, like, it 785 00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:35,800 Speaker 1: must be hard to have a sister that like slaps 786 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,920 Speaker 1: so hard and you know that you don't and you 787 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,200 Speaker 1: just have to live with the fact that you will 788 00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:45,120 Speaker 1: never have what you has, especially when your mother is 789 00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:49,400 Speaker 1: like drilling these really wild notions into your head about 790 00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:54,880 Speaker 1: like don't ever show your flaws until after you're already married. 791 00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:59,000 Speaker 1: It's the best wine the whole day, I sing song 792 00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,680 Speaker 1: and at least once a week likes, and then my 793 00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:09,319 Speaker 1: sister will go. And so after the wedding, I thought 794 00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,160 Speaker 1: it was really injo like I because there were like 795 00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,880 Speaker 1: some I don't know, Okay, So I guess there's a 796 00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,920 Speaker 1: bunch of different ways of looking at this step family, 797 00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,200 Speaker 1: and um, as with everything with this movie, I'm going 798 00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:26,040 Speaker 1: to kind of a bunch of slack, but I do. 799 00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,480 Speaker 1: I mean, it's like, on one hand, I feel like 800 00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:32,840 Speaker 1: the step sisters, no matter what adaptation, they're always cast 801 00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:37,440 Speaker 1: to be older than Cinderella, and they're always cast to 802 00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:42,040 Speaker 1: just have like different body types than Cinderella. And so 803 00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:45,880 Speaker 1: I feel like that is like not the greatest shorthand 804 00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,360 Speaker 1: in terms of being like, well, this is like a 805 00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,200 Speaker 1: woman that we don't think is like the movie is 806 00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,640 Speaker 1: telling you, like they're not as attractive as Cinderella is, 807 00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,800 Speaker 1: and so that's never a good message. And that's true 808 00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:01,200 Speaker 1: across the board in Cinderella adaptation that choice is always 809 00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:05,600 Speaker 1: made without fail. What I like that this movie does 810 00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,560 Speaker 1: to kind of like mitigate that for the stepsisters. And 811 00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:12,240 Speaker 1: the stepmother was like, you're just saying, like that song, 812 00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,600 Speaker 1: I feel like is helpful in like contextualizing them of 813 00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:21,480 Speaker 1: like they're not just like evil because they are really insecure, 814 00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,400 Speaker 1: And I liked that. Um, I guess that the stepmother 815 00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,040 Speaker 1: doesn't have a song in the original musical, and they 816 00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:32,720 Speaker 1: were like, but we cast Bernadette Peters, so like, let's 817 00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:34,560 Speaker 1: find one. And I love the song they picked for 818 00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,879 Speaker 1: her because I feel like it gives you. It's not 819 00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,040 Speaker 1: the greatest you know, I guess context for that character, 820 00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,640 Speaker 1: but it's one of the only attempts at like really 821 00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:47,520 Speaker 1: giving a stepmother character some sort of like this is 822 00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:52,120 Speaker 1: where she's coming from, even though she's obviously an unrepentant asshole, 823 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:57,920 Speaker 1: like but by giving her that song of like she's bad, 824 00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:59,919 Speaker 1: Like all that song is basically saying is like I've 825 00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,960 Speaker 1: fell in love like with love, but I fell in 826 00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,920 Speaker 1: love once for actual love and it blew up in 827 00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:11,120 Speaker 1: my face. And we live in the question Mark century 828 00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,840 Speaker 1: where like for most women, marriage is going to be 829 00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:18,520 Speaker 1: the only way to acquire any level of security. So 830 00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:24,520 Speaker 1: fuck love and let's go, you know, trick a prince 831 00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:28,520 Speaker 1: into marrying us. Like it is definitely not the most 832 00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,880 Speaker 1: feminist message in the world, but but it is like 833 00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,400 Speaker 1: one of the only like I prefer an attempt to 834 00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:39,080 Speaker 1: contextualize where she's coming from. Then just be like she's 835 00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:43,400 Speaker 1: mean because she's over thirty five and like Brandy is 836 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,000 Speaker 1: younger than her, right, because I think that for me, 837 00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,200 Speaker 1: like that song, first of all, it's catchy. Second of all, 838 00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,680 Speaker 1: the thing that made me think about her character with 839 00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,799 Speaker 1: that song is that, like, so the person she fell 840 00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,280 Speaker 1: in love with for the first time was obviously supposed 841 00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,920 Speaker 1: to be Brandy's dead and he just up and and 842 00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:04,319 Speaker 1: now she's like that don't mean the sounds like he 843 00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,440 Speaker 1: just died. So now she's taking care of you know, 844 00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,560 Speaker 1: she's on her own. They don't have really I don't 845 00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:11,600 Speaker 1: know how they have the house. Maybe he left it 846 00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,640 Speaker 1: to them, but like, she has no more prospect now 847 00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:18,040 Speaker 1: that he's gone, because she's over a certain age and 848 00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,120 Speaker 1: nobody wants to remarry her. She's taking care of her 849 00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,760 Speaker 1: two stepdaughters, who she wants to make sure they're secure 850 00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:28,319 Speaker 1: before she goes because the only way for security is 851 00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:32,040 Speaker 1: to have a man. But she's angry at Brandy in 852 00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,600 Speaker 1: part because Brandy reminds her of what she lost in 853 00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:39,719 Speaker 1: her father. Yeah, and it's like that's it's and it's 854 00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:43,560 Speaker 1: like her motives are always going to be like but 855 00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:47,319 Speaker 1: but but it is like I I appreciated that kind 856 00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:53,080 Speaker 1: of attempt and the Brandt Peter's performance is really good, right, 857 00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,480 Speaker 1: but there's just so much you forgive because the people 858 00:53:55,520 --> 00:54:01,680 Speaker 1: are because the people who were playing, you're like, yeah, sure, fine, 859 00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:05,440 Speaker 1: I can make that work. I love how that number 860 00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,160 Speaker 1: ends where at the end they come out and they're 861 00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:12,719 Speaker 1: like ridiculous dresses and then they're just like they sing 862 00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,040 Speaker 1: the last note as their carriage is taking off and 863 00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,080 Speaker 1: you're like yeah sure. And there's also there's like a 864 00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,360 Speaker 1: weird statue of the step sisters outside of the house. 865 00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,319 Speaker 1: Oh wow, I did not notice that. Yeah, it's like 866 00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,439 Speaker 1: right in the front, lam like they're like spitting water 867 00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,480 Speaker 1: at each other. It's really funny. And then there's an 868 00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,560 Speaker 1: other song when um they come back from the ball 869 00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,120 Speaker 1: and she talked about how she followed and then Brandy 870 00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,160 Speaker 1: tips her home and that's when she realizes I like 871 00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:44,680 Speaker 1: that that they have that because in the other adaptions 872 00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:49,480 Speaker 1: I've seen, the mom never realizes it until they come 873 00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,680 Speaker 1: with the slippers, so or I guess it's different than 874 00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,080 Speaker 1: Drew Brammer one. But again that's why these two attract here. 875 00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,160 Speaker 1: But in every other Cinderella adaption, the mom doesn't realize 876 00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,360 Speaker 1: it until like the way later. But I mean literally, 877 00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,160 Speaker 1: as soon as she bows her head, Brenada Peters makes 878 00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,440 Speaker 1: this face like, oh my god, it was you. And 879 00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,520 Speaker 1: then she's like, well, how could a prince love you? 880 00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:09,680 Speaker 1: But you already know the labs like she already knew 881 00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:11,880 Speaker 1: by then that that that it was held that the 882 00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,120 Speaker 1: prince loved and I loved that they had a little 883 00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:20,359 Speaker 1: moment in there at the end of that song. Yeah. Same. Um, 884 00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,640 Speaker 1: let's take another quick break and then we'll come right 885 00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:31,720 Speaker 1: back to go back quickly to what you were talking about, Jamie, 886 00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:35,319 Speaker 1: with like the because the step sisters, like, they are 887 00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:40,319 Speaker 1: famously known as like the ugly step Sisters, So there's 888 00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:45,479 Speaker 1: always an attempt in the adaptations to show them as 889 00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:50,439 Speaker 1: being undesirable or unappealing in some way, and I feel 890 00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:55,400 Speaker 1: like with Minerva particularly, I think the movie is trying it, 891 00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:59,359 Speaker 1: like wants you to think that because she's fat, that's 892 00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,640 Speaker 1: one of the things that makes her seem unappealing, especially 893 00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,440 Speaker 1: because there's that scene where like the stepmother is like 894 00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:10,000 Speaker 1: dramatically trying to like tighten her corset, and then there's 895 00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:13,160 Speaker 1: a lyric in one of the songs later on that 896 00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:17,600 Speaker 1: she says, why can't a guy ever once prefer a 897 00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:21,200 Speaker 1: solid girl like me? And I feel like that was 898 00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,840 Speaker 1: like the movie's attempt to be like, well, because she's fat, 899 00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:29,040 Speaker 1: that's one of the things that makes her unappealing, and 900 00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:35,319 Speaker 1: you know, that's not great the end. Yeah, And that's 901 00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:39,239 Speaker 1: definitely like one of for for a movie that is 902 00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:44,719 Speaker 1: generally very inclusive, that is life like one of its 903 00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:48,640 Speaker 1: like kind of glaring shortcomings. That would have been easy 904 00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:54,120 Speaker 1: to like they they didn't have to do that, but 905 00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:59,200 Speaker 1: they didn't, but they did. But fortunately, um, Natalie to 906 00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:06,080 Speaker 1: Sell was amazing. The chemistry between the sisters really is great, right, 907 00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,600 Speaker 1: And that's the thing that I think helps is that 908 00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:12,239 Speaker 1: she played her so well. I just think that, like 909 00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:17,439 Speaker 1: a lot of her work went um underappreciated because in 910 00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:21,680 Speaker 1: this movie and in Baps and in that short lived 911 00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:25,720 Speaker 1: TV show that Eve was the star of that was 912 00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:30,200 Speaker 1: called even though her character was named something else entirely. 913 00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,880 Speaker 1: I don't it's fine, um that she had a really 914 00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:38,960 Speaker 1: good way of making even the strangest of character splash 915 00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:42,400 Speaker 1: people makes sense like you really felt for them. And 916 00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,240 Speaker 1: I feel like even before she passed me she rest 917 00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:47,680 Speaker 1: in peace. I'd watch a movie back and be like, 918 00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,640 Speaker 1: I wonder if they would have ever, you know, did 919 00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:54,479 Speaker 1: a sequel with Minerva or something, because part Calliope Bless 920 00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,960 Speaker 1: her Heart, Calliope was just sort of like, to me, 921 00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,720 Speaker 1: the annoying one, and Whenever was sort of just caught 922 00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:06,160 Speaker 1: up in trying to both please her mother and find 923 00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,200 Speaker 1: a love that would help her validate who she is 924 00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,720 Speaker 1: as a person. I mean, I've really sad and thought 925 00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:12,680 Speaker 1: about this movie way too much, But I'm just saying, 926 00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:16,960 Speaker 1: like I think I think that, Um, what Natalie did 927 00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:21,600 Speaker 1: was really make her to me more redeemable in a 928 00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:25,320 Speaker 1: way by just allowing us to see that like, she 929 00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:29,320 Speaker 1: wants what is best for her and what her mom 930 00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,280 Speaker 1: wants for her, and she thinks that love will give 931 00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:36,480 Speaker 1: her that thing. Yeah, And I mean I guess I've 932 00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:41,800 Speaker 1: I've never like thought of like the step sisters are 933 00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:48,400 Speaker 1: definitely me like Cinderella's whole family unquestionably cruel to her, unacceptable. 934 00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:53,040 Speaker 1: Not in my house would we treat Cinderella in that way. Um, 935 00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,720 Speaker 1: But but it is, Um, I don't know, especially how 936 00:58:56,840 --> 00:59:00,280 Speaker 1: the sisters play it in this movie. Sometimes you're like, oh, 937 00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:05,800 Speaker 1: they're also being like constantly emotionally berated by their mother, 938 00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:10,600 Speaker 1: who is also a deeply insecure person, and it's I 939 00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:12,520 Speaker 1: don't know. I'm like, this is a this is a 940 00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:17,400 Speaker 1: very complicated family, because there's no time where Bernadette Peters 941 00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:21,760 Speaker 1: is not like even though it's like the stepsisters are 942 00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,960 Speaker 1: the daughter she quote unquote likes like she's never not 943 00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:28,960 Speaker 1: criticizing them and like never not telling them they need 944 00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,720 Speaker 1: to alter their appearance, they need to like repress their emotions, 945 00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:33,200 Speaker 1: they need to do this, this and this, and so 946 00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:37,680 Speaker 1: it's like, uh, it's just a very unhappy household. Don't 947 00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,360 Speaker 1: be what does she say? You mustn't let the prince 948 00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:43,320 Speaker 1: know how clever you are. Men can't stand to be 949 00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:47,640 Speaker 1: around smart women, which I mean men are often very 950 00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:52,520 Speaker 1: intimidated by smart women. So kind I like that. I 951 00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:54,440 Speaker 1: like it too, because it felt like they did it 952 00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:58,520 Speaker 1: on purpose, like to just show how ridiculous she is, 953 00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:01,560 Speaker 1: and you're thinking, I mean, at least maybe I'm giving 954 01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,080 Speaker 1: them too much credit, But it really did feel like 955 01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:07,040 Speaker 1: they were saying it, like, look, how ridiculous this woman is. 956 01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:10,120 Speaker 1: She believes because that's what she was taught, that men 957 01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,400 Speaker 1: don't like clever women. And it's the idea that oh, 958 01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,960 Speaker 1: Brandy as Cinderella is so clever and so smart. She 959 01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,920 Speaker 1: reads and the reason she has she's Cinderella because she 960 01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,640 Speaker 1: likes to watch the cinder flies and her face gets 961 01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:26,560 Speaker 1: mudged and like she's all these things that brought it up. Peters, 962 01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:31,160 Speaker 1: as her stepmother was told men aren't supposed to like right, 963 01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:32,920 Speaker 1: And I think it goes back to that thing that 964 01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,680 Speaker 1: we talked about a lot, which I think this movie 965 01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:41,480 Speaker 1: does more to contextualize than most stories, where like the 966 01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:46,040 Speaker 1: reason if women are ever kind of like cruel to 967 01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:48,720 Speaker 1: each other or jealous of each other, just like in 968 01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:52,440 Speaker 1: life and real life, is because we've been conditioned to 969 01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:54,680 Speaker 1: think that we have to compete with each other for 970 01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:59,240 Speaker 1: the like you know, limited resources and limited opportunities that 971 01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:03,360 Speaker 1: are forwarded to women. And in this case, they're like 972 01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:07,040 Speaker 1: literally competing over the love of a prince who will 973 01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:11,080 Speaker 1: give them, you know, like financial security and stuff like that. 974 01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:15,800 Speaker 1: And in this adaptation of like just the Cinderella narrative, 975 01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:21,560 Speaker 1: the step mom and stepsisters, while still very cruel to Cinderella, 976 01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:25,200 Speaker 1: their cruelty seems to be coming less from a place 977 01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:29,160 Speaker 1: of like they're behaving this way because they're pure evil, 978 01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:33,720 Speaker 1: which is like how those characters are depicted in the 979 01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:38,480 Speaker 1: nineteen fifties Disney animated Cinderella, and it's coming more from 980 01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:42,720 Speaker 1: a place of they're behaving this way because they're desperate, 981 01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:47,440 Speaker 1: Like they're a household of women with few options in 982 01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:52,400 Speaker 1: terms of access to financial security, so they lash out 983 01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:56,560 Speaker 1: at Cinderella, who they feel threatened by because they perceive 984 01:01:56,640 --> 01:02:00,560 Speaker 1: Cinderella as being someone who's like more likely to gain 985 01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:05,120 Speaker 1: access to that type of security that they are desperately 986 01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:09,600 Speaker 1: after because she's so beautiful, and that's what men have 987 01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:14,400 Speaker 1: historically been conditioned to value in women, is like physical beauty. Right, 988 01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:19,120 Speaker 1: So I might be like reaching or kind of projecting here, 989 01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:23,120 Speaker 1: but again, it felt to me like those characters are 990 01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:26,960 Speaker 1: less like evil for the sake of being evil and 991 01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:31,160 Speaker 1: more just like acting out of desperation, right, Yeah, And 992 01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:35,120 Speaker 1: it's like the idea that like abused people sometimes abused people, 993 01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:39,320 Speaker 1: And it's not to like justify their behavior, but it's 994 01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:41,880 Speaker 1: just the idea that, like, when you really think about it, 995 01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:46,240 Speaker 1: it makes sense that. But that Peter's character, I know 996 01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:48,320 Speaker 1: she has a name, but I don't know what it is. 997 01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:52,480 Speaker 1: I don't know if she has one, And I think 998 01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:56,320 Speaker 1: it's just Stepmother is just stepmother. Okay. Stepmother grew up 999 01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:59,400 Speaker 1: being told you have to be all these things, and 1000 01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:01,680 Speaker 1: so she trying to pass that on to her daughters 1001 01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:04,280 Speaker 1: because she thinks being all those things is what Land 1002 01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:09,960 Speaker 1: is her Brandy's dad. But once Brandy's dad dies, she's like, well, 1003 01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:12,680 Speaker 1: what do I do now? You know, like they just 1004 01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:16,240 Speaker 1: I think that a part of their abusing of Cinderella 1005 01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:22,000 Speaker 1: is because they lose that high society life life they 1006 01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:24,520 Speaker 1: had when her dad was about so they're using her 1007 01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:28,400 Speaker 1: to still feel like they're above someone because of that. 1008 01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:30,560 Speaker 1: And I think that a part of what I've always 1009 01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:33,320 Speaker 1: seen in the movie is just that they're abusing her 1010 01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:36,880 Speaker 1: because they think that it's like a thing they have 1011 01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,880 Speaker 1: to do, and or maybe because they were also at 1012 01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:44,360 Speaker 1: one point abused. But again, Stepmother also abuses the children 1013 01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:47,000 Speaker 1: that she supposedly likes. Like you said, so it's a 1014 01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:50,520 Speaker 1: it's a weird cycle that movie, and and just even 1015 01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:55,200 Speaker 1: in the idea of Cinderella in general, it's a weird cycle. Yeah, right, yeah, 1016 01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:58,720 Speaker 1: it's it's definitely I mean the stepmother, I think the 1017 01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,480 Speaker 1: stepmother Trump is definitely come up on the show before. 1018 01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,200 Speaker 1: In addition to thinking this is a perfect movie, I 1019 01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:10,680 Speaker 1: just I appreciated an attempt to try to address the trope, 1020 01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:15,200 Speaker 1: because you can't really Cinderella, the story can't happen without 1021 01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:20,880 Speaker 1: a stepmother. Um, So I appreciated the the attempt to 1022 01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:24,919 Speaker 1: um to try at least and give it some some 1023 01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:29,520 Speaker 1: kind of context, because yeah, because it's like worst case scenario. 1024 01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:32,720 Speaker 1: We're just seeing like women are irrationally jealous of each 1025 01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:38,000 Speaker 1: other based on age and how like attractive society perceives 1026 01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:40,920 Speaker 1: them to be. And it's like, you know, a trope 1027 01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,600 Speaker 1: that's been used forever to make it seem like women 1028 01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:47,560 Speaker 1: are just baselessly petty against each other when there is 1029 01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:49,640 Speaker 1: like there is a context for it, and there's a 1030 01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:53,040 Speaker 1: context for it in this story. So yeah, an attempt 1031 01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:56,120 Speaker 1: was made. I appreciate it. Yeah. And the thing is, 1032 01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:58,800 Speaker 1: like I think, I think for me, it's like it's 1033 01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,120 Speaker 1: so important to PROTICTI things that we love because you 1034 01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:03,280 Speaker 1: know they can be better. And for me, like, this 1035 01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:06,800 Speaker 1: movie is perfect to me in every way. It has flaws, 1036 01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:10,720 Speaker 1: but it's still perfect because I think whenever I have 1037 01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:14,080 Speaker 1: this nostalgia attached to it, but also I just feel 1038 01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:17,120 Speaker 1: like it was brilliantly done for the time that it 1039 01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:20,640 Speaker 1: was done, and it doesn't feel like, you know, everybody's like, 1040 01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:24,680 Speaker 1: oh my god, color blind, crastic. This was just like 1041 01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:28,040 Speaker 1: but and I think of like Britain, which they're not 1042 01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:31,400 Speaker 1: really connected at all, but I think about how in 1043 01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:35,880 Speaker 1: parts of Britain spoiler alert, the only time race is 1044 01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:37,840 Speaker 1: brought up is when the black people are doing it, 1045 01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:43,920 Speaker 1: and the white people never examine the dynamic between like 1046 01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:47,880 Speaker 1: say Daphne the white woman and Simon the black man, 1047 01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:50,440 Speaker 1: and what that what that is like in reality. For 1048 01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:54,880 Speaker 1: when something to me that happened that was really gross, 1049 01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:56,480 Speaker 1: I'm not going to say what it is, but there's 1050 01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:59,200 Speaker 1: a thing that happens in Britain and they don't explore 1051 01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:02,760 Speaker 1: the dynamic between her being a white woman and doing 1052 01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:04,960 Speaker 1: that thing and then him being a black man, and 1053 01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:08,200 Speaker 1: then they don't address at all what she did as 1054 01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:11,400 Speaker 1: the abuse that it was and I think that with 1055 01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:16,000 Speaker 1: this movie in particular, it wasn't like they brought it up, 1056 01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:17,800 Speaker 1: but it wasn't like it was this thing that they 1057 01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:20,200 Speaker 1: were like wanting to be champion four ward. It was 1058 01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:23,120 Speaker 1: just like, oh, look, there's a step daughter that it's 1059 01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:25,960 Speaker 1: black on a step daughter that's white, and Brenda Peters 1060 01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:29,200 Speaker 1: is white, and the dad is white, and Wippy Goberg 1061 01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,800 Speaker 1: is black, and the Sun is like of Asian descent, 1062 01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:34,160 Speaker 1: and then there's just Brandy who was a black woman. 1063 01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:37,800 Speaker 1: I just I felt like, for me, this movie was 1064 01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:39,800 Speaker 1: ahead of its time in terms of the idea of 1065 01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:43,120 Speaker 1: color blind casting because it wasn't anything that they wanted 1066 01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:46,240 Speaker 1: to make a big deal out of. They just were 1067 01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:49,880 Speaker 1: a part of this fairy tale that was that and 1068 01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:51,400 Speaker 1: you were going to deal with it. And there was 1069 01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,520 Speaker 1: no explanation about why someone looked the way they looked. 1070 01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:56,320 Speaker 1: It was just like, no, we're telling the story. These 1071 01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:58,800 Speaker 1: are the people who populate this world and blah blah blah. 1072 01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:02,000 Speaker 1: Where I think some times what happens um and any 1073 01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:05,120 Speaker 1: type of movie, but particularly in fairy tales, is like 1074 01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:09,320 Speaker 1: if they want to modernize that, it's like, okay, let's 1075 01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:12,480 Speaker 1: talk about why this person is of color, and let's 1076 01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:14,520 Speaker 1: make a clip about how hard it is for them 1077 01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:16,360 Speaker 1: to be of color, and let's do this and let's 1078 01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:19,320 Speaker 1: traumatize them this way. And so for me, I just 1079 01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:22,160 Speaker 1: really think about this movie in terms of just being 1080 01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:26,760 Speaker 1: able to feel good while watching it from beginning to end. Yeah, 1081 01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:30,680 Speaker 1: because part of what the color blank casting does is 1082 01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:35,480 Speaker 1: just simply allows us to see a black woman as 1083 01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:41,360 Speaker 1: a princess in this like classic princess narrative and just 1084 01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:45,240 Speaker 1: like go through all the motions of that story without 1085 01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:48,000 Speaker 1: any other kind of trauma. I mean, she still experiences 1086 01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:51,600 Speaker 1: trauma at the hand of like her step family, but 1087 01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:54,880 Speaker 1: it's not like racial trauma, which is so nice because 1088 01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:57,640 Speaker 1: it's still so rare, Like we're in and it is 1089 01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:00,240 Speaker 1: so rare to watch. It's like still be my which 1090 01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:02,560 Speaker 1: has nothing to do with this, I'm sorry, but it's 1091 01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:08,120 Speaker 1: like the idea that we can have issues without it 1092 01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:12,919 Speaker 1: always being about race. And I think that the way 1093 01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:14,720 Speaker 1: this movie did this ahead of the time and in 1094 01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:18,240 Speaker 1: the nineties was just amazing to me because it allowed 1095 01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:21,120 Speaker 1: what girls like me to dream, you know, like obviously 1096 01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:23,559 Speaker 1: I'm not going to be a princess for real, and 1097 01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:27,880 Speaker 1: like I'm queer and Cinderella is not, but she could be. 1098 01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:34,400 Speaker 1: Though update we need for Cinderella's Let's make her queer, 1099 01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:37,040 Speaker 1: let's make her like please. But I just think that 1100 01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:40,439 Speaker 1: it allowed me. I have such a close um tied 1101 01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:42,639 Speaker 1: to it because it allowed me to dream and feel 1102 01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:44,360 Speaker 1: like it was possible for me. And I think that 1103 01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:47,880 Speaker 1: is obviously the magic of representation, but also a story 1104 01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:49,720 Speaker 1: well I told where I don't feel like I have 1105 01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:53,320 Speaker 1: to go through mountains and mountains and mountains of racial 1106 01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:58,679 Speaker 1: trauma just to get my own happy. Oh. Another thing 1107 01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:03,080 Speaker 1: this movie does too with its casting is I don't 1108 01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:04,960 Speaker 1: think we've talked about this a whole lot on the podcast, 1109 01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:08,720 Speaker 1: but there is a long history of de sexualization of 1110 01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:15,120 Speaker 1: Asian men in media, where Asian men are rarely or 1111 01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:19,599 Speaker 1: never seen as romantic interests in love stories or just 1112 01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:24,000 Speaker 1: in general at all. Ever, so that the like handsome 1113 01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:27,519 Speaker 1: Prince Charming in this movie is played by an Asian 1114 01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:31,920 Speaker 1: man is pretty groundbreaking, right. And he's gorgeous. I know 1115 01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:36,439 Speaker 1: that that's not the point, but he is. He's really handsome. 1116 01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:41,400 Speaker 1: The crush the entire world had on that man, like 1117 01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:46,240 Speaker 1: it just we all loved him. I hope he's well 1118 01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:50,360 Speaker 1: responded to one of my sister's Instagram commers a couple 1119 01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:52,720 Speaker 1: of months ago, and she blost that she was like, 1120 01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:57,439 Speaker 1: oh my god. I was like, what areaked out for her? 1121 01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:00,640 Speaker 1: Because first of all, he's aged well, second of all 1122 01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:07,679 Speaker 1: just a man of my childhood, Like truly wow. Shout 1123 01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:11,479 Speaker 1: out Paulo. I just I didn't get super into this earlier, 1124 01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:13,960 Speaker 1: but I just wanted to give another shout out to 1125 01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:19,360 Speaker 1: Whitney Houston and like her, she was pretty explicit about 1126 01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:23,040 Speaker 1: like it was her and Deborah Martin Chase who made 1127 01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:27,400 Speaker 1: this movie happen, but Whitney specifically said like I want 1128 01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:31,280 Speaker 1: to make this movie for my daughter, which is so 1129 01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:34,599 Speaker 1: like it just comes through and there's like pictures of 1130 01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:37,120 Speaker 1: Whitney and Bobby Christina on the set of the movie, 1131 01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:40,519 Speaker 1: and uh, and Deborah Martin Chase says in this um 1132 01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:42,960 Speaker 1: oral history, like to have a black Cinderella is just 1133 01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:45,360 Speaker 1: really something I know. It was really important for Whitney 1134 01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:48,840 Speaker 1: to leave this legacy for her daughter. And what Bigldberg 1135 01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:53,160 Speaker 1: says something similar about being, I mean so hyped to 1136 01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:55,120 Speaker 1: do the movie that she literally gave up part of 1137 01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:58,160 Speaker 1: her salary so that it could get finished because she 1138 01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:01,720 Speaker 1: wanted this movie for her grand kids, and like just 1139 01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:05,640 Speaker 1: it was I don't know, really cool to know how 1140 01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:08,559 Speaker 1: first of all, I mean, unfortunately, how hard it was 1141 01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:11,400 Speaker 1: to get this movie the way that they wanted it 1142 01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:15,479 Speaker 1: to be, but also like how determined everyone was to 1143 01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:19,960 Speaker 1: like get it right and too just like have Cinderella 1144 01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:22,960 Speaker 1: and not like boll it down with everything. With that 1145 01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:26,240 Speaker 1: you were just saying, Kia, and like how intentionally it 1146 01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:28,960 Speaker 1: was done, and like I mean it kind of as always, 1147 01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:33,000 Speaker 1: how like frustrating it was with Disney to get it 1148 01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:35,960 Speaker 1: done the right way. But that was the power of 1149 01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:40,200 Speaker 1: like Whitney Houston in like talk about using your powers 1150 01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:43,160 Speaker 1: for good, Like she was like the fairy godmother of 1151 01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:46,960 Speaker 1: this entire production. Yeah, which is fun because there's still 1152 01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:49,360 Speaker 1: all these stories about how like she was never like 1153 01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:53,400 Speaker 1: she was never on time, and she, like Whitney Houston, 1154 01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:56,599 Speaker 1: was like grinding to get this movie done for years 1155 01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:58,479 Speaker 1: and years and years and then they were like, okay, 1156 01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:00,519 Speaker 1: so when can you shoot and she's like, I can 1157 01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:07,080 Speaker 1: give you four days, which is well no, that's so 1158 01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:10,320 Speaker 1: that's so cool though, because I think about those pictures 1159 01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:12,479 Speaker 1: of her on set with Brandy or even the videos 1160 01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:15,040 Speaker 1: of them seeking impossible. And then I think about how 1161 01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:18,960 Speaker 1: she was on set wherein Hathaway for the Princess Diaries movies, 1162 01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:21,920 Speaker 1: and I'm like, there's so much that she did that 1163 01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:25,720 Speaker 1: like has come out now that she's gone, but that 1164 01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:27,679 Speaker 1: I wish we would have been able to give her 1165 01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:30,479 Speaker 1: her flowers for a while she was still here, because 1166 01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:33,400 Speaker 1: she was a part of so many of like at 1167 01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:38,880 Speaker 1: least my major childhood movie moments, like I loved the 1168 01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:42,400 Speaker 1: Princess Diary movie. I love this movie. I love like 1169 01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:44,240 Speaker 1: like she just was a part of so many things 1170 01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:47,320 Speaker 1: that I think helped making me the person that I am. 1171 01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:50,160 Speaker 1: That it's wild when you think about how hard she 1172 01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:51,920 Speaker 1: had to do, how hard you had to work just 1173 01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:55,120 Speaker 1: to make them all happen. Yeah, yeah, and like and 1174 01:12:56,120 --> 01:13:00,360 Speaker 1: what a big like impact, like all of them, like 1175 01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:04,240 Speaker 1: Debor Martin Chase, I feel like I didn't. I I've 1176 01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:06,200 Speaker 1: seen her name so many times, but I never like 1177 01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:09,320 Speaker 1: fully put together and like, wow, this woman is really 1178 01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:15,599 Speaker 1: the architect. Like yeah. And then her all of her 1179 01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:20,719 Speaker 1: collaborations with Whitney like just produced these amazing stories, always 1180 01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:25,400 Speaker 1: about women, often about a diverse group of women. And 1181 01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:27,720 Speaker 1: then it was always really fucking good I don't know. 1182 01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:31,479 Speaker 1: I just like I am. I about to write her 1183 01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:41,720 Speaker 1: fan mail could be also shout out to the diversity 1184 01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:44,720 Speaker 1: in the background actors as well. I feel like this 1185 01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:47,400 Speaker 1: is something we don't see very much where even if 1186 01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:52,559 Speaker 1: a movie will feature probably not as much diversity as needed, 1187 01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:54,960 Speaker 1: but they'll be like, Okay, we've got, you know, one 1188 01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:58,559 Speaker 1: black lead and that fills the quota, right, and then 1189 01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:00,639 Speaker 1: every other person in the movie is white. But like 1190 01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:05,719 Speaker 1: in this movie, there's so much diversity in the background actors, 1191 01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:10,560 Speaker 1: and like in the Village there's and the ball It's 1192 01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:15,200 Speaker 1: like I knew about the like pretty mixed cast of 1193 01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:17,599 Speaker 1: the main characters, but I was like, I was surprised 1194 01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:20,960 Speaker 1: to see how much diversity do it there was just 1195 01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:22,760 Speaker 1: in the background, and it doesn't like seem like it 1196 01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:24,160 Speaker 1: would be that big of a deal. It's like, oh, 1197 01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:26,880 Speaker 1: they're you know, they're ext they don't have lines, but 1198 01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:29,360 Speaker 1: it is, yeah, and it's funny because it's like, if 1199 01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:32,360 Speaker 1: they can do that, why can't they do it now 1200 01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:36,720 Speaker 1: they're doing there? I do have I don't know. I know, 1201 01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:41,160 Speaker 1: like I understand why this was a TV movie because 1202 01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:44,160 Speaker 1: Rogers and Hammerstein like the tradition of this musical was 1203 01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:46,840 Speaker 1: it was always a TV movie, but there's a part 1204 01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:49,880 Speaker 1: of me that was like, and I think, if I'm 1205 01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:52,280 Speaker 1: remembering right, I think Whitney Houston was pushing for this too. 1206 01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:56,680 Speaker 1: It should have been a theatrical release like this. It 1207 01:14:57,479 --> 01:15:00,400 Speaker 1: is also really I know that people talk I've seen 1208 01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:03,080 Speaker 1: people talk about it pretty frequently, but it's also really 1209 01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:05,439 Speaker 1: weird to me that this movie isn't on Disney Plus. Like, 1210 01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:08,040 Speaker 1: fortunately it's on YouTube for free, but why the funk 1211 01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:11,800 Speaker 1: is it not on Disney Plus? Like it's cannon is it? 1212 01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:16,320 Speaker 1: Ager Hammerstein writes thing like what is it? I think 1213 01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:18,320 Speaker 1: that's what it is. I read somewhere that that's what 1214 01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:20,760 Speaker 1: it is that they can't and that's also why they 1215 01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:24,519 Speaker 1: can't do They could never release the soundtrack because they 1216 01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:27,320 Speaker 1: did it, they recorded it really stuff, but they can't 1217 01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:30,880 Speaker 1: release it because of the Riders and Hammerstein's thing. And 1218 01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:35,000 Speaker 1: I think it's because Riders and Hammersteins also already has 1219 01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:38,000 Speaker 1: a version of it on Apple Music, but it's sung 1220 01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:40,680 Speaker 1: by all white people, so it's not it's not the 1221 01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:43,320 Speaker 1: one from the movie, so that for some reason can't 1222 01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:46,280 Speaker 1: get clearance to do the one from the movie, even 1223 01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:49,960 Speaker 1: though it's already recorded. And that's literally whenever I want 1224 01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:52,000 Speaker 1: to hear the song from the movie and I don't 1225 01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:53,840 Speaker 1: feel like Roger in the movie, I have to go 1226 01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:57,320 Speaker 1: to YouTube to do it. Same did that on my 1227 01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:01,680 Speaker 1: walk this morning. I was like, all right, so frustrated 1228 01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:04,600 Speaker 1: because it's like if it it exists, it makes me 1229 01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:07,839 Speaker 1: so sad that it exists and we are not allowed 1230 01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:14,000 Speaker 1: to have it. Um, Yeah, the last thing I wanted 1231 01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:17,599 Speaker 1: to talk about. So there's a there's a message in 1232 01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:20,320 Speaker 1: this movie that is not present in I think a 1233 01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:26,240 Speaker 1: lot of other versions of this story where Cinderella like 1234 01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:30,840 Speaker 1: wants to escape her abuse of home life. This is 1235 01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:32,799 Speaker 1: like part of her drive and part of her motivation 1236 01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:36,439 Speaker 1: as a character, and the Fairy Godmother comes and it's like, 1237 01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:39,800 Speaker 1: I can give you some tools to help you with that, 1238 01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:43,160 Speaker 1: but ultimately it's something that you have to do on 1239 01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:45,920 Speaker 1: your own, which I feel like can be read a 1240 01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:49,080 Speaker 1: couple different ways, where if you're looking at it from 1241 01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:52,040 Speaker 1: like a feminist perspective, it's like, okay, So the Fairy 1242 01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:57,000 Speaker 1: Godmother is basically encouraging Cinderella to have agency over her 1243 01:16:57,040 --> 01:17:00,400 Speaker 1: own life and to make active choices and be in 1244 01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:03,200 Speaker 1: charge of her own outcome and that's great and we 1245 01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:05,400 Speaker 1: love to see that. But then if you look at 1246 01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:10,439 Speaker 1: it from like a class perspective, it's sort of like poor, 1247 01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:13,160 Speaker 1: Yeah you're poor, but if you just pick yourself up 1248 01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:15,200 Speaker 1: by your bootstraps and work a little bit harder than 1249 01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:18,759 Speaker 1: you'll magically get out of poverty. And that's just classic 1250 01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:26,920 Speaker 1: American start a small business, like even happen? How hard 1251 01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:30,719 Speaker 1: could it be? They got a load start as change 1252 01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:34,200 Speaker 1: your life? Like, okay, we just covered enchanted. I'm like, 1253 01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:36,840 Speaker 1: that's literally the ending of enchanted. She's like, I don't know, 1254 01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:39,439 Speaker 1: I guess what's feminist? What's more feminist than starting a 1255 01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:42,519 Speaker 1: small business? And like, I guess, but yeah, that is 1256 01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:45,080 Speaker 1: definitely Like again, it's like I feel like that's when 1257 01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:48,760 Speaker 1: the nineties is kind of showing a little bit, when 1258 01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:50,679 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, we were not we were very much 1259 01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:57,519 Speaker 1: not questioning pull yourself up by your bootstraps mentality. I 1260 01:17:57,560 --> 01:18:02,400 Speaker 1: think the only thing that um I was really appreciative 1261 01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:05,640 Speaker 1: was that nobody at any point in the movie excuse 1262 01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:09,320 Speaker 1: the abuse. Like at no point Diod with me as 1263 01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:11,960 Speaker 1: a fairy godmother be like, oh, you know that you're 1264 01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:14,680 Speaker 1: going through a lot, like she was just like she 1265 01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:16,880 Speaker 1: was just like, no, there are gonna be people in 1266 01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:21,799 Speaker 1: your life who don't something poppycock and twaddle whatever that whatever. 1267 01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:23,719 Speaker 1: That part of the song was where she was talking 1268 01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:26,280 Speaker 1: about how like you're gonna run across people who don't 1269 01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:29,760 Speaker 1: believe that the impossible as possible, but it's possible, and like, yeah, 1270 01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:32,000 Speaker 1: it sucks that. That's all she said. There's really no 1271 01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:35,720 Speaker 1: word for her to get outation that to help. But 1272 01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:39,480 Speaker 1: I liked the idea that like nobody was making excuses 1273 01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:41,439 Speaker 1: for the abuse that she had went through, because I 1274 01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:45,479 Speaker 1: find it oftentimes someone says something, even in My Beloved 1275 01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:48,200 Speaker 1: Drew Barrymore one, at one point one of the steps 1276 01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:50,080 Speaker 1: sisters was like, you should have known that she would 1277 01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:52,360 Speaker 1: have went off, like if you said something to her 1278 01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:54,960 Speaker 1: like that. And there's a point where like she gets 1279 01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:58,680 Speaker 1: beat by the step mom and and the sisters like, well, 1280 01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:00,760 Speaker 1: why did you do that? Of knows you would have 1281 01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:04,599 Speaker 1: been that way. And I really appreciated that that didn't 1282 01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:07,839 Speaker 1: take place in this movie in particular, because it happens 1283 01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:11,559 Speaker 1: all the time, whether it's Cinderella or not. Don't make 1284 01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:15,519 Speaker 1: an excuse for someone's terrible behavior. Yeah, and the and 1285 01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:18,720 Speaker 1: and I forget um, I forget which of us said it, 1286 01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:20,920 Speaker 1: But the fact that she doesn't forgive them at the 1287 01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:25,360 Speaker 1: end is like, it's so it's weird because it's with 1288 01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:29,000 Speaker 1: with modern fairytale adaptations. It's so like it makes my 1289 01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:32,519 Speaker 1: head hurt because sometimes I'm like, if you address the 1290 01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:36,519 Speaker 1: problem to aggressively, the story feels completely different. And if 1291 01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:39,880 Speaker 1: you like go into the story Cinderella of like we're 1292 01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:42,639 Speaker 1: going to really examine this from a class perspective, it's 1293 01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:46,760 Speaker 1: it's not going to really be the same story. And 1294 01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:49,280 Speaker 1: so the change is made to address it are very 1295 01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:53,639 Speaker 1: subtle and probably like you know, it doesn't address class, 1296 01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:57,639 Speaker 1: you know, completely responsibly, but the source material definitely doesn't. 1297 01:19:57,800 --> 01:20:00,559 Speaker 1: But the little, like the subtle changes that this movie 1298 01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:03,320 Speaker 1: goes for well, I mean just the fact that she 1299 01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:07,240 Speaker 1: doesn't say, like it's okay, I get it, Like, no, 1300 01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:12,280 Speaker 1: she was abused. No matter how damaged the stepmother and 1301 01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:15,320 Speaker 1: stepsisters are as people, it doesn't justify the abuse, and 1302 01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:18,640 Speaker 1: she doesn't forgive them. M h. It's a star. And 1303 01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:21,880 Speaker 1: that's so important too, because a lot of times, for 1304 01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:23,920 Speaker 1: a lot of years anyway, it's been like, oh my god, 1305 01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:26,439 Speaker 1: of course you should forgive like you don't have to 1306 01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:29,040 Speaker 1: forgive somebody for a being like, you just don't have 1307 01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:31,000 Speaker 1: to do it. I think that's why I like it 1308 01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:32,920 Speaker 1: so much. That one ending ray on one, which I'm 1309 01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:35,120 Speaker 1: sorry that I keep bringing it through, but I'm just saying, 1310 01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:36,960 Speaker 1: I guess you'll just have to come back on the 1311 01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:41,120 Speaker 1: podcast and cover that one with us. Yes, we I 1312 01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:43,439 Speaker 1: just liked that that that they don't they're not like, Okay, 1313 01:20:43,479 --> 01:20:47,280 Speaker 1: well you know they're gonna There was no reason to 1314 01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:51,000 Speaker 1: try to rehabilitate them throughout the movie, which I found 1315 01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:54,439 Speaker 1: refreshing because sometimes when movies do that, they're like spending 1316 01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:59,120 Speaker 1: too much time trying to rehabilitate the evil person that 1317 01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:02,240 Speaker 1: you lose this pieces of the actual main characters who 1318 01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:05,680 Speaker 1: were good from the start. So yeah, I'm with you. 1319 01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:08,880 Speaker 1: And we talked about this recently on Our Beauty and 1320 01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:12,680 Speaker 1: the Beast episode of like the burden of forgiveness often 1321 01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:18,719 Speaker 1: falling on women because like and like abused women abused 1322 01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:22,920 Speaker 1: women because women are just expected to be forgiving and 1323 01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:27,400 Speaker 1: compassionate and and those are good qualities sure, but also, 1324 01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:30,320 Speaker 1: like like we said, there's the onus is not on 1325 01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:34,040 Speaker 1: you to forgive abuse if you don't want to do 1326 01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:38,000 Speaker 1: that so and Brandy doesn't. She's just like I moved, 1327 01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:42,360 Speaker 1: I live in a castle. Now. I wish the movie 1328 01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:46,559 Speaker 1: made it clearer that she was leaving at the very 1329 01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:49,599 Speaker 1: end and like she had packed up to go. It 1330 01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:52,479 Speaker 1: wasn't Kia until you said that that I even realized 1331 01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:55,080 Speaker 1: that was what was happening. I wish you would we 1332 01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:57,720 Speaker 1: had seen her like packing her belongings or just that 1333 01:21:57,800 --> 01:22:00,599 Speaker 1: it was like visually made clearer that she was intending 1334 01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:04,840 Speaker 1: to like peace out, because I didn't even realize that. Yeah, 1335 01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:07,439 Speaker 1: like when she fell her suitcase popped open and he 1336 01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:09,200 Speaker 1: was trying to help her with the stuff. But I 1337 01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:10,840 Speaker 1: do see what you're saying. It would have been cool 1338 01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:14,120 Speaker 1: to see her like packing things and like like maybe 1339 01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:17,120 Speaker 1: cut away when she was like the daughter was like, 1340 01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:19,599 Speaker 1: there's nobody else here, not even a sort of girl. 1341 01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:23,000 Speaker 1: My mom was going like, you get my holder, because 1342 01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:26,439 Speaker 1: that would have like drawn out the tension to like 1343 01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:28,880 Speaker 1: if like the prince was on the other side of 1344 01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:32,280 Speaker 1: the door being like, aren't there any other women here? 1345 01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:34,040 Speaker 1: And then if we cut back and forth to her 1346 01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:37,960 Speaker 1: like not realizing he's there and like leaving, then we're like, no, 1347 01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:40,240 Speaker 1: we want you to stay so that he'll find you. 1348 01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:43,760 Speaker 1: That that's just good storytelling. I like that change better 1349 01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:46,400 Speaker 1: than because it was like in the in the animated Cinderella, 1350 01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:49,800 Speaker 1: isn't she like locked in a room being like like, yeah, 1351 01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:55,360 Speaker 1: she's that the mice are like trying to give her 1352 01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:58,040 Speaker 1: the key to get herself out because and like, yeah, 1353 01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:00,240 Speaker 1: there's way more emphasis on what the mice are doing 1354 01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:04,879 Speaker 1: in that scene. I appreciate a non uh mouse centric approach. 1355 01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:11,280 Speaker 1: It's truly something sessial, and it's like funny because even 1356 01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:15,680 Speaker 1: in um other adaptions, I've seen the lock Cinderella up 1357 01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:18,200 Speaker 1: like they do in that one, but like she gets 1358 01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:21,519 Speaker 1: out and it's not like mice re just like she's 1359 01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:23,360 Speaker 1: like I'm not trying to be in here, like I'll 1360 01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:26,439 Speaker 1: figure it out. Like it's so funny to me that 1361 01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:28,760 Speaker 1: I think about it now because the mice are so 1362 01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:32,160 Speaker 1: heavily feature like it might as well be like and 1363 01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:34,400 Speaker 1: so was Cinderella stories, like Okay, this is just a 1364 01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:39,800 Speaker 1: vehicle for the most Yeah, they're like trying to pop 1365 01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:42,439 Speaker 1: off like the minions were, like they're just like, okay, 1366 01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:44,360 Speaker 1: we know who's the star of the movie. For real, 1367 01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:50,160 Speaker 1: Let's give him a franchise. But yeah, looking at this, 1368 01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:54,919 Speaker 1: just not this movie alone, but just the entire Cinderella narrative, 1369 01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:59,240 Speaker 1: like just like approaching it from a class perspective. This 1370 01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:01,880 Speaker 1: like part of the stories, like the rags to riches 1371 01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:06,599 Speaker 1: story where she's been turned into like a servant girl. 1372 01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:09,480 Speaker 1: She's in this low class but then she gets discovered 1373 01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:13,920 Speaker 1: by the prince and then marries into wealth. So like 1374 01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:16,519 Speaker 1: kind of the message of this entire narrative is like, well, 1375 01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:21,599 Speaker 1: if you're beautiful enough, a handsome prince will elevate your 1376 01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:28,840 Speaker 1: socio economic status. It's a dated premise, but also I'm like, 1377 01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:31,479 Speaker 1: is that what I was secretly hoping for every time 1378 01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:36,040 Speaker 1: my mom brought me to a mall. Yes, like being like, Wow, 1379 01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:38,920 Speaker 1: someone's gonna someone is going to see through my back 1380 01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:44,200 Speaker 1: brace and realize that I am I am a runway 1381 01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:47,880 Speaker 1: model at And I think again too, I think I was. 1382 01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:49,920 Speaker 1: I was definitely like, oh, this is this is my time. 1383 01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:54,160 Speaker 1: I'm going to walk into the store and make guys contact. 1384 01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:59,400 Speaker 1: Was like I tell you, for some reason, was like 1385 01:24:59,479 --> 01:25:05,920 Speaker 1: someone in the addle limited to being like, Wow, I've 1386 01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:08,559 Speaker 1: been waiting for my whole life. But I think too, 1387 01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:11,200 Speaker 1: Like in defense of that, which I get. I have 1388 01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:14,040 Speaker 1: so many defenses for these things. Is that it was 1389 01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:17,479 Speaker 1: nice because she wasn't really after money, you know what 1390 01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:21,439 Speaker 1: I mean, like it's obsessed as her stepmother and the 1391 01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:25,040 Speaker 1: step sisters were with like wealth and whatever. She was like, 1392 01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:27,360 Speaker 1: I just want to be happy and like away from 1393 01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:29,760 Speaker 1: all of you told me that's why she got it, 1394 01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:33,680 Speaker 1: which is why she wasn't. Yeah, I guess that's like 1395 01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:36,120 Speaker 1: the less you want something, the more likely or to 1396 01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:41,080 Speaker 1: get it. But that like having so I don't know, 1397 01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:44,040 Speaker 1: I feel like that even works better with like how 1398 01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:46,679 Speaker 1: some of the songs are written because in my own 1399 01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:49,840 Speaker 1: little corner is it's whatever, it's her I want song 1400 01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:52,760 Speaker 1: and it's all about how she just like lives in 1401 01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:57,040 Speaker 1: her imagination and like dreams of being other places. And 1402 01:25:57,120 --> 01:26:00,720 Speaker 1: it doesn't mentioned really men at all all. It's just 1403 01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:03,040 Speaker 1: like if I could do anything, I would go here, 1404 01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:04,800 Speaker 1: or I would do this, or I wish I could 1405 01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:08,439 Speaker 1: do this. And she wants to go on an African safari. Yeah, 1406 01:26:08,479 --> 01:26:10,600 Speaker 1: she's like, my name this will adventure, Like that's the 1407 01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:14,679 Speaker 1: dream I have for it. I'm not more milk. I'm 1408 01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:17,479 Speaker 1: just out here living my life. So I guess we 1409 01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:21,160 Speaker 1: can just be like um. Most likely she and Prince 1410 01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:26,080 Speaker 1: Christopher soon went on a trip of the globe afterwards, 1411 01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:31,880 Speaker 1: and hopefully she didn't just move down the street. I 1412 01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:36,439 Speaker 1: bet you know. Christopher loved her so much that if 1413 01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:39,080 Speaker 1: she was like, all right, let's go on our honeymoon. 1414 01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:41,000 Speaker 1: I want to go all over the world, He's like 1415 01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:44,920 Speaker 1: anything for you, my dear. He loves love. Talk about 1416 01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:47,640 Speaker 1: someone who is falling in love with love, Prince Christopher, 1417 01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:53,320 Speaker 1: She whiz, does anyone have anything else they want to 1418 01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:58,200 Speaker 1: talk about? Um? Just as a close in the soundtrack slabs. 1419 01:26:58,439 --> 01:27:00,280 Speaker 1: So it's like, whether you watch the movie or not, 1420 01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:02,960 Speaker 1: the soundtrack is gonna hit you like a total bricks 1421 01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:05,360 Speaker 1: and it's going to be beautiful the entire way. But 1422 01:27:05,439 --> 01:27:08,519 Speaker 1: there is not a miss in that soundtrack. It is wild. 1423 01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:12,400 Speaker 1: How is every song amazing? It makes no sense and 1424 01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:15,720 Speaker 1: all sense at the same time. It's just brilliant and 1425 01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:19,439 Speaker 1: there's no there's not a single bad performance in the 1426 01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:24,760 Speaker 1: entire movie. Everyone's good everyone. Like I don't know, I 1427 01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:29,240 Speaker 1: just feel like you can sort of tell when people 1428 01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:32,000 Speaker 1: in a movie really want to be there, and like 1429 01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:34,120 Speaker 1: you just kind of feel like the energy of the 1430 01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:36,559 Speaker 1: movie is just really good and You're like, oh, I 1431 01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:40,040 Speaker 1: think that this whole cast just like likes each other 1432 01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:44,320 Speaker 1: and like is enjoying this and not to bring up 1433 01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:47,160 Speaker 1: the oral history again, but it seems like that was 1434 01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:50,880 Speaker 1: exactly it, and just everyone was hanging out having fun. 1435 01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:54,880 Speaker 1: They rehearsed. I loved learning they rehearsed the movie like 1436 01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:57,200 Speaker 1: it was a stage show, so that the whole cast 1437 01:27:57,240 --> 01:27:59,000 Speaker 1: would get to know each other even if they didn't 1438 01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:01,360 Speaker 1: appear in scenes together there, which is like, oh, it 1439 01:28:01,439 --> 01:28:04,240 Speaker 1: sounds it just sounded like summer camp. Like I founded 1440 01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:07,400 Speaker 1: like so much fun, and I feel like it shows 1441 01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:09,479 Speaker 1: in the movie how much fun it was to make. 1442 01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:12,839 Speaker 1: And Jason Alexander was like, whoo, who I'm not George 1443 01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:16,479 Speaker 1: Costanza right now? Victor Garber was like, whoo, who I'm 1444 01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:23,200 Speaker 1: not on a sinking boat with James Cameron right now. 1445 01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:26,799 Speaker 1: I would just like to close by saying that this 1446 01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:32,320 Speaker 1: story shame's women with big feet and someone who wears 1447 01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:36,840 Speaker 1: a fairly large suicide, especially in relation to my height. 1448 01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:41,240 Speaker 1: I feel personally attacked. And this movie also operates under 1449 01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:44,519 Speaker 1: the whole story operates under the assumption that no one 1450 01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:47,960 Speaker 1: else in the entire kingdom has the same shoe size 1451 01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:52,200 Speaker 1: as Cinderella. So I guess like Cinderella has a size seven, 1452 01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:57,080 Speaker 1: every other woman either has a size like eleven shoe 1453 01:28:57,439 --> 01:29:02,360 Speaker 1: or like a size four and nothing else. That's yeah, 1454 01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:07,400 Speaker 1: that's the suspension of belief. Yea. Also, I was reading 1455 01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:10,000 Speaker 1: the shoe they're carrying around on the pillow is not 1456 01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:13,480 Speaker 1: even Brandy's shoe size. Like they made two different shoes. 1457 01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:15,240 Speaker 1: They made a shoe that fits her and then they 1458 01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:20,960 Speaker 1: made a teeny tiny shoe that represents the fragility of women. 1459 01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:25,439 Speaker 1: Like there's because it's like, who knows, we will never 1460 01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:27,880 Speaker 1: know what size Brandy's actual foot is. But they were 1461 01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:31,960 Speaker 1: like weirdly like, no, she she has little baby feet. 1462 01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:39,320 Speaker 1: Well cute. I watched Brandy on an episode of The 1463 01:29:39,439 --> 01:29:43,200 Speaker 1: Rosio o'donald Show where they talk about Brandy's shoes eye 1464 01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:46,479 Speaker 1: and she wears the size nine, which is also the 1465 01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:49,840 Speaker 1: size that I wear. This is becoming a Quentin Tarantino 1466 01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:56,880 Speaker 1: podcast fast. Well, that's that's kind of I'm a wow 1467 01:29:57,000 --> 01:30:00,679 Speaker 1: size nine feeling scene. I am also size nine. Wow. 1468 01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:10,120 Speaker 1: Wow look at us, Wow, look at us? We have 1469 01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:21,400 Speaker 1: such strong feet. Anyway, does this movie pass the Bechtel test? Yes? 1470 01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:25,559 Speaker 1: Between a ton a ton but it passes between a 1471 01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:28,720 Speaker 1: lot of characters. Yeah, especially with the point with like 1472 01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:32,240 Speaker 1: Wendy Houston and Brandy, like when even when they're just 1473 01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:35,599 Speaker 1: talking about, um, how she I was okay for her 1474 01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:38,640 Speaker 1: to dream or whatever. So there's that little portion and 1475 01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:40,320 Speaker 1: I think there's like a couple he in there, but 1476 01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:44,120 Speaker 1: I think the stepsisters occasionally because they're I mean, it's 1477 01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:45,840 Speaker 1: it is sometimes like that thing where it passes the 1478 01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:49,120 Speaker 1: Bechtel test when women are being very cruel to each other, 1479 01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:53,920 Speaker 1: but a passes a pass when Brandy is like, debt, 1480 01:30:54,240 --> 01:30:58,680 Speaker 1: hat looks like ship on both of you that, and 1481 01:30:58,680 --> 01:31:05,479 Speaker 1: then the Victoria passes perfect no no and is she wrong? No, 1482 01:31:05,920 --> 01:31:09,519 Speaker 1: But it's the hat is the problem, which maybe she 1483 01:31:09,560 --> 01:31:14,280 Speaker 1: should have been more clear about. But either way, um, yeah, 1484 01:31:14,479 --> 01:31:17,840 Speaker 1: this is also one of the few Princess fairytale movies, 1485 01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:21,960 Speaker 1: especially of this era, that passes the DuVernay test as well. 1486 01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:27,920 Speaker 1: He shouts out to that let's examine the movie through 1487 01:31:27,960 --> 01:31:34,760 Speaker 1: the nipple scale, which is our metric zero to five nipples, 1488 01:31:34,760 --> 01:31:38,240 Speaker 1: based on how the movie fares looking at it through 1489 01:31:38,280 --> 01:31:46,000 Speaker 1: the lens of intersectional feminism. I want to give this, like, 1490 01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:50,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I almost have to, like pretend that it's 1491 01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:54,799 Speaker 1: not a Cinderella story, because there's just so many issues 1492 01:31:54,920 --> 01:31:59,040 Speaker 1: baked into that narrative that are like outdated that I 1493 01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:03,760 Speaker 1: do think the movie attempts and succeeds at updating at 1494 01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:08,160 Speaker 1: least a few of the issues with just the outdated 1495 01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:12,920 Speaker 1: like fairy tale story, and so I appreciate that it 1496 01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:20,320 Speaker 1: makes those attempts, and that the casting choices allow for 1497 01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:26,040 Speaker 1: just a far more diverse cast than we've seen up 1498 01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:29,160 Speaker 1: until that point. And in a lot of cases, we 1499 01:32:29,240 --> 01:32:32,200 Speaker 1: haven't seen a lot of the same things since um, 1500 01:32:33,000 --> 01:32:40,439 Speaker 1: so so sad. Yeah it's so sad twenty four years old, 1501 01:32:40,720 --> 01:32:46,519 Speaker 1: and uh haven't yes, so um. I like a lot 1502 01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:50,200 Speaker 1: of the just attempts that it made at at updates, 1503 01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:52,200 Speaker 1: and I think, like I said, there, a lot of 1504 01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:55,000 Speaker 1: them are successful. Um. I want to give this like 1505 01:32:55,040 --> 01:32:57,920 Speaker 1: a three and a half. And had it not been 1506 01:32:57,960 --> 01:33:01,479 Speaker 1: like I Senderella adaptation and maybe like a different story 1507 01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:05,200 Speaker 1: or just like kind of a romance story that wasn't 1508 01:33:05,240 --> 01:33:09,360 Speaker 1: specifically Cinderella, I'm sure it would get higher. But because 1509 01:33:09,400 --> 01:33:13,600 Speaker 1: it still has the fairy tale elements throughout the story, 1510 01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:17,200 Speaker 1: it doesn't score quite as high as I'd like it too. 1511 01:33:17,240 --> 01:33:19,240 Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm gonna give it three and a half nipples, 1512 01:33:19,320 --> 01:33:25,360 Speaker 1: and I will give one to Brandy, one to Whitney Houston, 1513 01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:33,000 Speaker 1: one two Natalie de Sell who plays Minerva, and I'll 1514 01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:39,040 Speaker 1: give my half nipple to Victor Garber, but his character 1515 01:33:39,200 --> 01:33:45,680 Speaker 1: in Titanic, Mr Andrews. I'm gonna I I know that 1516 01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:48,680 Speaker 1: this is probably like not, but I'm going to give 1517 01:33:48,720 --> 01:33:51,679 Speaker 1: it four and a half because I just like love 1518 01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:57,559 Speaker 1: this movie so much and I cannot. I simply just 1519 01:33:57,680 --> 01:33:59,559 Speaker 1: want to watch this movie every day for the rest 1520 01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:02,120 Speaker 1: of my life. It is just like I feel like 1521 01:34:02,360 --> 01:34:06,720 Speaker 1: distilled joy. It is so good I love. I mean, 1522 01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:09,400 Speaker 1: there are I don't know, I mean, I think, especially 1523 01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:13,040 Speaker 1: for its time, it is like a production that was 1524 01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:15,800 Speaker 1: like willed into existence kind of against a lot of 1525 01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:20,519 Speaker 1: odds by two black female producers and like Deborah Martin 1526 01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:25,000 Speaker 1: Chase and Whitney Houston made this happen. Brandy like brought 1527 01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:28,240 Speaker 1: this character to life. It is like I think that 1528 01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:30,800 Speaker 1: it's probably it was at the time the most like 1529 01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:34,320 Speaker 1: diverse movie to ever air on TV. Ever, it was 1530 01:34:34,360 --> 01:34:40,280 Speaker 1: a huge hit. It has this incredible legacy like and 1531 01:34:41,200 --> 01:34:44,280 Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean the Cinderella story stuff it's 1532 01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:47,599 Speaker 1: for some reason with this movie, it almost barely comes 1533 01:34:47,640 --> 01:34:51,280 Speaker 1: into it because it's just because if we were looking 1534 01:34:51,280 --> 01:34:54,439 Speaker 1: at like the Disney animated Cinderella, I'd be like, you know, 1535 01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:59,360 Speaker 1: zero negative five nipples. Yeah. But but the fact that 1536 01:34:59,400 --> 01:35:04,200 Speaker 1: there were attempts to kind of work with this Inderella 1537 01:35:04,280 --> 01:35:08,439 Speaker 1: story to kind of update it for the time, the 1538 01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:12,880 Speaker 1: performances are so incredible. I I ultimately the fact that 1539 01:35:12,920 --> 01:35:16,960 Speaker 1: it's still written and directed by white guys is deeply annoying. 1540 01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:22,519 Speaker 1: But um, I don't know, yeah, probably too many maybe 1541 01:35:22,640 --> 01:35:25,240 Speaker 1: maybe for I don't know, I can't give it less 1542 01:35:25,240 --> 01:35:30,240 Speaker 1: than for follow your heart, Jamie. Nothing is impossible. It's 1543 01:35:30,320 --> 01:35:34,639 Speaker 1: such a depressing time and truly like watching this movie 1544 01:35:34,720 --> 01:35:36,840 Speaker 1: several times was the best I've felt in weeks and 1545 01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:41,599 Speaker 1: weeks and it's just like great and and gave us 1546 01:35:41,680 --> 01:35:45,080 Speaker 1: like our our first black Disney Princess, which is not 1547 01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:49,519 Speaker 1: a small deal, that's you know, huge, And so yeah, 1548 01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:52,559 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I guess, I guess I'll go for because 1549 01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:57,439 Speaker 1: it is still stepmothers and marriage and you're not like 1550 01:35:57,520 --> 01:35:59,920 Speaker 1: the other girls, and you're not like the other girls 1551 01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:03,599 Speaker 1: had three times and that was an update. Uh so 1552 01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:06,400 Speaker 1: that I guess. I guess I'll go for it, but 1553 01:36:06,520 --> 01:36:10,480 Speaker 1: I cannot. I simply cannot in good conscience go under four. Um, 1554 01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:13,400 Speaker 1: I'll give a nipple to Whitney, I'll give a nipple 1555 01:36:13,400 --> 01:36:16,759 Speaker 1: to Brandy, I'll give a nipple to Deborah Martin Chase, 1556 01:36:17,560 --> 01:36:23,080 Speaker 1: and I will give a nipple to Whoopee. And that's 1557 01:36:23,120 --> 01:36:26,160 Speaker 1: what I'll do it. What about you? I mean, we 1558 01:36:26,200 --> 01:36:28,800 Speaker 1: already know what I'm gonna do, but it's gotta be 1559 01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:32,840 Speaker 1: five out of five. I know we think this was 1560 01:36:32,920 --> 01:36:36,000 Speaker 1: coming the entire episode. I was already ready listen. I 1561 01:36:36,120 --> 01:36:39,400 Speaker 1: just feel like it has its problems, but it is 1562 01:36:39,439 --> 01:36:42,000 Speaker 1: literally one of my favorite movies in the entire world. 1563 01:36:42,520 --> 01:36:46,320 Speaker 1: The casting was amazing, like just the fact that it 1564 01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:49,320 Speaker 1: exists as all and all of something so special to me. 1565 01:36:49,400 --> 01:36:52,520 Speaker 1: And it's not even the idea that like she Cinderella 1566 01:36:53,160 --> 01:36:54,960 Speaker 1: is more of it, just like an idea that like 1567 01:36:55,000 --> 01:36:56,799 Speaker 1: this is a black woman that we get to watch 1568 01:36:57,320 --> 01:37:00,160 Speaker 1: be worthy of love on a national stage and like 1569 01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:03,479 Speaker 1: you had me in Whitney Houston. And so even though 1570 01:37:03,520 --> 01:37:06,040 Speaker 1: it has its issues without You're not like other girls 1571 01:37:06,120 --> 01:37:10,520 Speaker 1: things and like the mean stepmothers and the annoying stepchildren, 1572 01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:14,200 Speaker 1: just the music alone to me gives it that extra nipple, 1573 01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:18,639 Speaker 1: And so in much of the ways that Jamie already said, 1574 01:37:18,680 --> 01:37:21,519 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna bite those and say, yes, I agree, 1575 01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:23,680 Speaker 1: and also just tell you who I'm going to give 1576 01:37:23,720 --> 01:37:27,400 Speaker 1: my nipples to. The first nipple is going to go 1577 01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:31,400 Speaker 1: to Brandy, the second nipple is going to go to 1578 01:37:31,560 --> 01:37:34,920 Speaker 1: Whitney Houston as she rest in peace. And the third 1579 01:37:35,000 --> 01:37:38,320 Speaker 1: nipple is going to go to the songwriting because it's 1580 01:37:38,360 --> 01:37:42,280 Speaker 1: I just love the soundtrack so much that like, I 1581 01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:44,519 Speaker 1: could literally be having the worst day and somebody could 1582 01:37:44,520 --> 01:37:47,519 Speaker 1: be like, just go listen to the soundtrack and I 1583 01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:51,120 Speaker 1: would feel so much better. And then my fourth nipple 1584 01:37:51,240 --> 01:37:54,960 Speaker 1: is going to go to Whoopi Goldberg and Mr Garbert 1585 01:37:55,400 --> 01:37:58,320 Speaker 1: as a couple in this movie. And then my fifth 1586 01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:03,320 Speaker 1: nipple is going to go to the Hope, Joy Restoration, 1587 01:38:04,080 --> 01:38:08,160 Speaker 1: dreams excitement that I get every time I watch it. Yes, 1588 01:38:08,600 --> 01:38:12,240 Speaker 1: I love it. I love that perfect movie. Well, Kia, 1589 01:38:12,320 --> 01:38:17,479 Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here again. Truly come 1590 01:38:17,479 --> 01:38:22,519 Speaker 1: back any time for after or whatever. I'll just invite 1591 01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:25,800 Speaker 1: myself for every like every rob ground that you do 1592 01:38:25,920 --> 01:38:28,720 Speaker 1: from here on out, like, please call me, because I'm 1593 01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:31,840 Speaker 1: ready that I will definitely come back forever after if 1594 01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:35,080 Speaker 1: you do it, and I might cry. Fine, Um, I've 1595 01:38:35,120 --> 01:38:38,240 Speaker 1: never seen ever After something. Neither have I. Yeah, I 1596 01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:40,600 Speaker 1: even't seen most Inderella movies because I've never seen this 1597 01:38:41,080 --> 01:38:44,880 Speaker 1: the Hilary duff one. I haven't seen the like live 1598 01:38:44,920 --> 01:38:48,160 Speaker 1: action Disney remake from two thou fifteen or whatever. There's 1599 01:38:48,200 --> 01:38:51,320 Speaker 1: just you Do. It's so long, it's I mean, you 1600 01:38:51,320 --> 01:38:57,720 Speaker 1: think it's so boring. Um, but ever After it's not 1601 01:38:57,800 --> 01:39:03,479 Speaker 1: just the movie. It's a moment like much like this one. 1602 01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:07,439 Speaker 1: It is a lifestyle choice, you know, So if you 1603 01:39:07,479 --> 01:39:09,599 Speaker 1: ever want to talk about it, I will come back. 1604 01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:13,880 Speaker 1: I have immensely enjoyed this conversation. Literally the best thing 1605 01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:16,960 Speaker 1: that has happened in the past week and a half 1606 01:39:17,240 --> 01:39:19,679 Speaker 1: is staying here talking to you both about this movie. 1607 01:39:19,720 --> 01:39:24,320 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, well than I loved having you and 1608 01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:28,400 Speaker 1: tell the folks listening at home where they can check 1609 01:39:28,439 --> 01:39:32,800 Speaker 1: out your stuff. Follow you online. I have very online 1610 01:39:33,000 --> 01:39:38,519 Speaker 1: both Instagram and Twitter. At Kia k a h underscore Arihea. 1611 01:39:38,680 --> 01:39:41,439 Speaker 1: I write a bunch. All of it is at Kia 1612 01:39:41,479 --> 01:39:43,639 Speaker 1: brown dot com. I need to update my website, by 1613 01:39:43,640 --> 01:39:46,240 Speaker 1: the way, but all of the things that I've written 1614 01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:50,519 Speaker 1: are there and um you can find me either tweeting 1615 01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:55,920 Speaker 1: about cheesecake, Drew bid More or um round comes, or 1616 01:39:55,960 --> 01:39:59,280 Speaker 1: you can find me instagram ng in my Instagram stories 1617 01:39:59,320 --> 01:40:04,040 Speaker 1: about random weird emails and stuff that I get from people. 1618 01:40:04,720 --> 01:40:07,920 Speaker 1: So that's your riot on both on both platform is 1619 01:40:07,960 --> 01:40:12,040 Speaker 1: you canna find me there. You can also find us 1620 01:40:12,080 --> 01:40:16,479 Speaker 1: on those platforms at pectel Cast. You can check out 1621 01:40:16,560 --> 01:40:21,759 Speaker 1: our patreon ak Matreon which has an episode on Cadet 1622 01:40:21,840 --> 01:40:27,240 Speaker 1: Kelly that Kia was in, So check that out. 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That was Brandy 1633 01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:12,760 Speaker 1: would be proud. You're welcome everyone, all right, bye bye