Speaker 1: From the King of Sports Books comes the Key sports
Speaker 1: podcast Unleashed, presented by MGM. Here's your host, Jana's Papas
Speaker 1: and Olivia Arlan Decker. Welcome to Unleashed from bet MGM,
Speaker 1: the King of Sports Books. It's Halloween week. It is
Speaker 1: my favorite week of the year. I'm not kidding this,
Speaker 1: My favorite holiday spooky season is officially here. I love
Speaker 1: the scary movies, I love the colder weather, I love
Speaker 1: Halloween candy. This is just too good. But things again
Speaker 1: spooky kind of across the NFL. I'm not just talking
Speaker 1: about Sam Donald back at MetLife seeing ghosts. I'm also
Speaker 1: talking about my Kansas City Chiefs. Yikes. I don't even
Speaker 1: care what Shenanigan's the Mahomes family pulled this week. I
Speaker 1: just can't get over how bad they were in Smashville.
Speaker 1: So the Super Bowl losing team is nursing a hangover.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure They're not alone in Nashville nursing to hangover.
Speaker 1: Lord knows we've all been there. But another big shape
Speaker 1: shifter in the a f C, the Cincinnati Bengals upsetting
Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens for first place in the a f
Speaker 1: C North. Who thought after Week seven we would be
Speaker 1: saying that that's crazy. Their fans used to wear brown
Speaker 1: bags over their heads for costumes. But talk about a
Speaker 1: trick or treat. Joe Burrow and the Bengals are legit.
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase is a favorite Twin rookie of the year.
Speaker 1: It's just too good. And Tom Brady set a new
Speaker 1: touchdown record with number six hundred on Sunday versus the
Speaker 1: Bears Little redemption Game two for the Bucks where they
Speaker 1: lost last year and Tom Brady famously lost count on downs. Yikes,
Speaker 1: that's spooky too. But another snaffoo happened with this magical
Speaker 1: historic NFL moment, the six hundred touchdown pass football when missing.
Speaker 1: Be honest, did you see this? I did not see
Speaker 1: it because the football is missing, so I don't know who. Yeah,
Speaker 1: where is it? Who has it? Let me tell you this,
Speaker 1: it's wild. So Mike Evans was the receiver who caught
Speaker 1: the six hundred touchdown pass. Well, he didn't know that
Speaker 1: it was this really important, valuable football and he gave
Speaker 1: the ball away to a fan in the end zone,
Speaker 1: which is you know something we see a lot. So
Speaker 1: he gets back to the sideline and they're like, all right,
Speaker 1: where's the ball? And he could not believe it. He
Speaker 1: was so embarrassed. He tweeted about all this stuff. So
Speaker 1: the team equipment manager how to go back to the
Speaker 1: fan and ask for the football back. But look, of course,
Speaker 1: at that point it came with a price. Some are
Speaker 1: saying that that ball could have been sold for half
Speaker 1: a million dollars. Oh yeah, yeah, at that point you go,
Speaker 1: you want this football back. Well, let's talk to my
Speaker 1: lawyer and let's strike a deal. Baby. So I hope
Speaker 1: that fan got some money. He's in Tampa Bay. He
Speaker 1: needs it. Uh yeah he did. Guess what the team
Speaker 1: gave him. I'm hoping some uh cold hard cash and
Speaker 1: not bitcoin. Nope, one thousand dollar of gift store credit.
Speaker 1: Oh god. And he and he said yes to that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they also gave him another football, so like not
Speaker 1: the magic six hundred touchdown football, but yeah, a thousand
Speaker 1: bucks to the gift shop by man, go get yourself
Speaker 1: a cheap shirt. Yeah that's horrible. And you know, a
Speaker 1: thousand bucks at a gift shop doesn't even go that far.
Speaker 1: Things are crazy expensive in there. Yeah. I just want
Speaker 1: to say, uh, you're stupid, whoever you are. Mr. Fan.
Speaker 1: I feel bad for him. Yeah, you should have got
Speaker 1: a lot more money for that. And it's kind of
Speaker 1: one of those things what would you do, because obviously
Speaker 1: the right thing is to give it back because it'll
Speaker 1: go to Tom Brady, and Brady even said I don't
Speaker 1: keep a lot of mementos, but I really wanted that football.
Speaker 1: So it's like, Okay, you're big Brady fan, you're a
Speaker 1: big Buck fan. You give it back, right, But at
Speaker 1: the same time, you got half a mill sitting in
Speaker 1: the palm of your hands while you're just at a game. Aime.
Speaker 1: I don't know that guy's Actually, he's probably never negotiated
Speaker 1: in his life. Okay, maybe he wants to give it back.
Speaker 1: He wants to be a good guy at least negotiate
Speaker 1: for something good, like maybe spend a day with the
Speaker 1: Brady family, get around with him and Giselle. You get
Speaker 1: to take Gazelle on a date. Yeah, you don't just
Speaker 1: like have that football and give it back. That that
Speaker 1: was the most power that guy is gonna have in
Speaker 1: his entire life, and he gave it away. Yep. Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh. So I mentioned I love Halloween so much,
Speaker 1: favorite holiday, and I was asking you this weekend when
Speaker 1: we talked, I said, what are you and your family
Speaker 1: going to be for Halloween? Because your family is so darling,
Speaker 1: and your wife and I, who have become friends, is
Speaker 1: so darling, and you, Joannice, have become quite darling yourself.
Speaker 1: You're I said, you're kind of a basic bitch. I
Speaker 1: hate to tell you that, but I know you guys
Speaker 1: are going to be some adorable coordinated Halloween costume, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: I am a b b a basic bitch, and you
Speaker 1: know we're going as monsters inc to match. My idea
Speaker 1: was better since my baby looks My little baby girl
Speaker 1: looks so much like me, I wanted to go as
Speaker 1: twins Danny DeVito and Arnold Schwartzenigger. So she's like the
Speaker 1: mini Danny DeVito and I'm Schwartzenigger because we're twins, we
Speaker 1: look so much alike. I presented the idea of going
Speaker 1: as the Deckers, but my wife wasn't into that. I
Speaker 1: was gonna dress up as you. She she was gonna
Speaker 1: be Sam and my baby was was gonna Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was gonna be Kevin Hart, was gonna be Kevin Harlan,
Speaker 1: and we were gonna we were gonna sit around and
Speaker 1: talk football and talk basketball, but that was a no go.
Speaker 1: But yes, it's pumpkin season, it's boots weather, it's cozy time.
Speaker 1: I love it. I'm a basic batch. You are you're
Speaker 1: you're You're kind of a scaliwag in your workspace. But
Speaker 1: when you go home, my friend, you are a pumpkin
Speaker 1: spice latte drinking fool. So I know it. I know.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, I'm in my wife's sweater right now. See
Speaker 1: watching house. So I was going to the pumpkin patch.
Speaker 1: I know you, I said, yeah, Hocus podcast, don't even
Speaker 1: that's my favorite. Okay, lots to get to coming up.
Speaker 1: We have not one, but two great guests joining us.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk all about sports fandom with author
Speaker 1: and journalist Larry Olmstead. His book titled Fans How Watching
Speaker 1: Sports makes Us happier, healthier, and more understanding what a
Speaker 1: great title is, a great read no matter who you
Speaker 1: root for, great hey, great holiday gift this holiday season.
Speaker 1: By the way, that's good for any fan. I agree
Speaker 1: with all those things, so I can't wait to pick
Speaker 1: his brain. Absolutely. Plus host embedding analyst Hannah A Stop
Speaker 1: Chuck will join us. I go on Hannah Show. Every Thursday,
Speaker 1: cheddar Bets TV. Make sure you join that. She's wonderful.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to get her on my turf though,
Speaker 1: right Janice, we're having her come to us and I
Speaker 1: bet she's gonna be really great. We're gonna talk NBA
Speaker 1: with her. I can't wait. Big fan of her, and
Speaker 1: I just you guys are really like have become tight.
Speaker 1: So I just can't wait for us three girls to
Speaker 1: chit chat about hoops. It's a very friendship right, Like,
Speaker 1: I have no idea how tall she is. I don't
Speaker 1: know what she likes to order at a restaurant. But
Speaker 1: yeah we we zoom yeah always At the end, we'll
Speaker 1: take a look ahead this weekend slate of games with
Speaker 1: our go to gambling guru, Peter Andrew from Bet MGM.
Speaker 1: He's kind of become a character on this show too.
Speaker 1: He's kind of a fixture ficture. That's a hard one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's fixture. But you know who am I
Speaker 1: to if anyone ship for how they pronounced things, I'm
Speaker 1: from New York. I call it coffee and water. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let me get some water. So let's go with he's
Speaker 1: a fixture on this show. Fixture that's I can't say
Speaker 1: that word. Also, you know when we have Peter on,
Speaker 1: that's when we reveal who lost our punishment picks from
Speaker 1: Latin week's games and has the embarrassing task of having
Speaker 1: to read an outro written for them by the winner.
Speaker 1: You can tell by the sound of my voice who
Speaker 1: has to do that. So last week we tied, so
Speaker 1: we split it, which was fun. That was kind of different.
Speaker 1: But this week it came down to the final game
Speaker 1: of Sunday Colts and forty Niners. So more on that later,
Speaker 1: but you can probably guess who won that one. One
Speaker 1: person who unfortunately didn't win this weekend is our bad
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Speaker 1: so five of six player props hit. And player props
Speaker 1: are really hard to guess because someone could get injured
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Speaker 1: on Chuba Hubbard, the Canadian running back. Not a lot
Speaker 1: of Canadians and NFL he's one of them, um, and
Speaker 1: they thought he'd score a touchdown and he did not.
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Speaker 1: beat of the week every weekend. We'll read the winner
Speaker 1: on the show every week. Okay, let's get to our
Speaker 1: favorite segment. It's time for us to sound off on
Speaker 1: one topic we feel passionately about this week. It's the good,
Speaker 1: the bad, sometimes ugly, sometimes ugly tweeting my family members,
Speaker 1: be honest, let's unleash. It's time Olivia. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: as soon as that NBA Greatest Players of All Time
Speaker 1: list came out, I got pissed. I got piste off.
Speaker 1: I've had enough of lists. It's like this American obsession
Speaker 1: we have with listing people talking about the goats, and
Speaker 1: I really believe it's led to this free Asian culture
Speaker 1: where people want to play with their friends. They're really
Speaker 1: playing for their stats. I missed those great teams that
Speaker 1: stayed together forever and talked about team all the time,
Speaker 1: especially in the NBA. So and also I hate how
Speaker 1: arbitry it is seventy five because it was the seventy
Speaker 1: fifth anniversary. Then they had the fifty grave. This what's
Speaker 1: next when it's like they're gonna come up with the
Speaker 1: two thousand, fiftie best players ever lived? There's only one
Speaker 1: goat in His name is Sam Decker. Hey, he plays
Speaker 1: in Toronto, and I don't want to hear about it.
Speaker 1: How are you gonna have a seventy five greatest players
Speaker 1: of all time without having my boy on their Nichols Galis,
Speaker 1: who's the greatest Greek basketball player of all time? Even
Speaker 1: read Arbach said his the biggest mistake he ever made
Speaker 1: was letting him go from the Celtics, and then he
Speaker 1: went to Greece and became the greatest European player to
Speaker 1: ever live. He was born in Jersey City. He was American,
Speaker 1: but he was Greek. Google it what a legend? And
Speaker 1: what about they hang on the greatest Greek to ever
Speaker 1: play in the NBA? Hello, your namesake? Who was playing
Speaker 1: right now? Good point, Olivia. I forgot about him. He's
Speaker 1: from Greece. I know. You know. That's the reason why
Speaker 1: sometimes I don't like having you on this show. Is
Speaker 1: smarter than me, and you're an actual journalist, so you
Speaker 1: don't let me get away with anything. Go on, go on.
Speaker 1: I like your point. Yeah, I mean, no, Chris Webber. No,
Speaker 1: Chris Webber on that great Sacramento team that got robbed
Speaker 1: because I believe one of those referees who ended up
Speaker 1: being infamous for throwing calls, that one call where Mike
Speaker 1: Bibby got absolutely massacred on an inbounds play and they
Speaker 1: lost Game six, and they should have won that series
Speaker 1: against the Lakers. Chris Webber on one of the greatest
Speaker 1: teams ever, Sacramento Kings with my boy Vladi DVEs and
Speaker 1: Start Jankog. I mean, you we should be it should
Speaker 1: be the seventy five greatest teams. We should be teaching
Speaker 1: these kids that just hoisten up three pointers and trying
Speaker 1: to pad your stats is not the way to go.
Speaker 1: I mean, Damian Lillard is on the greatest No disrespect
Speaker 1: to Damian Lillard, but I mean, when's the last time
Speaker 1: they got out of the first round. Okay, I mean
Speaker 1: Robert Horry should be on that list because every team
Speaker 1: he goes to they win. Like me, I came on
Speaker 1: this show and turned it into a winner on the
Speaker 1: Robert ory Of podcast, Baby, It's me and oh D
Speaker 1: and we are champions. I hate lists. It's it's demeaning
Speaker 1: and I feel you. Clay, you're one of the You're
Speaker 1: you're one of the two greatest shooters to ever play
Speaker 1: this game. And Clay is not on the list, but
Speaker 1: Paul Pierce is. Come on, come on, Olivia. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: anytimeson kind of made the most noise about it, and
Speaker 1: that I thought was refreshing. You don't see a lot
Speaker 1: of guys like stick up for themselves when stuff like
Speaker 1: this comes out, and he just flat out did and
Speaker 1: stuck with it. He like kept talking about it and
Speaker 1: just saying I thought I should have I thought I
Speaker 1: should have made the list, and a lot of people
Speaker 1: agree with them. But you know who gave him a
Speaker 1: hard time for it, where his teammates they got him
Speaker 1: a jersey and hung it in his locker for practice
Speaker 1: that had seventies seven on it, Like he's the seventy
Speaker 1: seven gradest player of all time. So that was pretty funny,
Speaker 1: very funny, well done by the Warriors, have some fun
Speaker 1: with it. I don't know. I don't like these lists either,
Speaker 1: because you're sitting and you're like, oh yeah, Like I
Speaker 1: was thinking, Damian Lillard is one of the best players
Speaker 1: of all time. Has he been on one of the
Speaker 1: best teams. No, but he's been kind of a one
Speaker 1: man machine with our friend of the podcast, c J McCollum.
Speaker 1: He's been amazing too in Portland. But the second you
Speaker 1: bring up these lists, everyone starts arguing because they say,
Speaker 1: what about so and so? What about so and so?
Speaker 1: And I hate having to come up with an argument
Speaker 1: for it. So I'm just gonna let this one simmer.
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't come up with the list, and
Speaker 1: I'm glad I didn't. And I'll just say no, Tony Parker, no,
Speaker 1: Bernard King. Yeah, that list is officially fake news. Fake news. Oh,
Speaker 1: speaking of someone who does actually say fake news seriously
Speaker 1: a lot. I don't know if you saw this on Saturday,
Speaker 1: I absolutely loved it. Mississippi state coach Mike Leach. He
Speaker 1: is such a character. Look just look him up sometime
Speaker 1: and just see kind of conspiracy theories he's really into aliens.
Speaker 1: He's a treasure, He's a national treasure. One of my
Speaker 1: favorite coaches. So they trounced Vanderbilt to six. And after
Speaker 1: the game, he's giving an interview with the SEC Networks
Speaker 1: Alissa Lange, and this is what he says, which really
Speaker 1: is leading to my unleashed let's roll the tape about
Speaker 1: on the broadcast, how you hate candy corn? What's your
Speaker 1: favorite hallowey corn? I mean, I completely ate candy corn
Speaker 1: when I was a kid. Well, gummy bears. Let's see
Speaker 1: gummy bears for sure. Um, the hairbowe it's got to
Speaker 1: be the airbow ones. Wow, talk about hot takes. First
Speaker 1: of all, I love this line of questioning. I actually
Speaker 1: know Alissa and I can just hear her producer in
Speaker 1: her ear be like, this was an awful game. Just
Speaker 1: talk about something fun. We've got one of the most
Speaker 1: colorful coaches, and they did the whole teams like celebrating
Speaker 1: behind them for those of you who couldn't see. And
Speaker 1: and Mike Leach is just going on and on about
Speaker 1: Halloween candy, which I absolutely love. So it just got
Speaker 1: me thinking, as we are in Halloween week, let me
Speaker 1: break this down like, who the NFL quarterback equivalent is
Speaker 1: too Halloween candy. So, first of all, the goat the best,
Speaker 1: absolutely my favorite, and also one that is a geographical
Speaker 1: thing that people say differently all the time. I say
Speaker 1: reese Is. I know a lot of people say Reese's.
Speaker 1: What do you say? Oh good? Okay, yeah, yeah, you're
Speaker 1: not weird, not weird, okay, not weird. Yet. Reese's are
Speaker 1: the Tom Brady of candy. They're timeless, they're beautiful, they're delicious.
Speaker 1: Everyone once one, but some people are haters and allergic
Speaker 1: to greatness. And you know Mac Jones, Josh Allen, Justin,
Speaker 1: Herbert Kyler, Murray, all these kind of younger almost goats
Speaker 1: maybe goats. I think they're Reese's pieces. And then candy
Speaker 1: corn the absolute worst Halloween candy garbage. They're the Jimmy
Speaker 1: Garoppolo of candy. Just based on this week's comments from
Speaker 1: his former teammate Martell Has Bennett, They're very pretty. I
Speaker 1: like just decorating with them, putting them in glass bowls.
Speaker 1: They look great. Jimmy Garoppolo is very pretty, but according
Speaker 1: to Martell's Bennett, a little bit so wow, my quota
Speaker 1: of bitch this week is really high. Yeah that's number three.
Speaker 1: That's you just did the hat trick on bitch. But
Speaker 1: I just think candy corn absolutely sucks. To Coach Leach,
Speaker 1: I'm with you. Candy corn is trash. It's not even
Speaker 1: a candy. It's basically like eating wax with a bunch
Speaker 1: of sugar. And again it's just more decorative. So how
Speaker 1: do you think Jimmy garoppolo of Halloween candy? Absolutely, I
Speaker 1: mean Jimmy g he should play without a helmet just
Speaker 1: to distract the defense because they just would stare it
Speaker 1: out beautiful spaces. He got a good looking man. Oh
Speaker 1: he's handsome. He is so handsome. So if you are
Speaker 1: giving away candy corn this Halloween, just be better. Just
Speaker 1: put it away. Just how that on display. Our kids
Speaker 1: have all suffered enough this past year. They were in
Speaker 1: masks in school, they couldn't see their friends for a while.
Speaker 1: Give the kids a break. This is my p s A.
Speaker 1: And just give them real candy. In fact, give him
Speaker 1: king size candy. They deserve it. Okay, that was my
Speaker 1: unleashed I love that you unleashed on candy corn. I
Speaker 1: think it should be outlawed. I think candy corn should
Speaker 1: be outlawed. What is it? It's just like wax and like,
Speaker 1: what is it? They make decent vampire fangs, but other
Speaker 1: than that, they're a gross They are the black licorice
Speaker 1: of candies. Yuck. Yep, I totally agree, Glad, I do agree.
Speaker 1: And that was our unleashed segment. Now it's time to
Speaker 1: get back to sports and let's bring in our first guest.
Speaker 1: He's the author of Fans How Watching Sports makes Us happier, healthier,
Speaker 1: and more understanding. Couldn't agree more with that title, Larry
Speaker 1: Holm said, is here, So Larry, thanks so much for
Speaker 1: joining the show. The title of your book alone is fascinating,
Speaker 1: definitely hooks you in. I'm curious what made you want
Speaker 1: to dive into the world of fandom and study really
Speaker 1: the greater psychology of it. Yeah. Several years ago, I
Speaker 1: went to a Red Sox Yankees game at Fenway Park
Speaker 1: at the end of the season, and I saw this
Speaker 1: couple that had two really young kids, like under ten,
Speaker 1: dressed in T shirts that had kind of homophobic upsetities
Speaker 1: aimed at the Yankees. And I looked at them and
Speaker 1: was like, you know, what's wrong with these people? These
Speaker 1: little kids? You know, and I'm thinking about it us,
Speaker 1: like you can't even buy those shirts at like the
Speaker 1: Red Sox gift shop, you know, so I thought like,
Speaker 1: maybe there's something about watching sports that makes us crazy.
Speaker 1: That was my first thought. So I was like, I'll
Speaker 1: look into this. It might be an interesting topic. And
Speaker 1: as soon as I started seeing the scientific data, I saw,
Speaker 1: you know, the exact opposite was true, that it's really
Speaker 1: good for us. And I've come to realize that there
Speaker 1: were like thirty nine thousand nine other people at the
Speaker 1: game that day who I did not notice because they're
Speaker 1: normal fans, So you know, it kind of completely changed
Speaker 1: my mind, and I was like, Wow, this is great stuff.
Speaker 1: There's no rule without an exception, and Boston fans are
Speaker 1: the exception. I know. I know that as a Yankee fan.
Speaker 1: So you can't judge based on Boston fans. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would say they're too passionate for better or worse.
Speaker 1: They have a chip on their shoulder and they shouldn't
Speaker 1: because they've been winning. So enough is enough, Boston. I really,
Speaker 1: I absolutely love the book. I love the premise behind
Speaker 1: it because I always thought like sports is one of
Speaker 1: the purest things. It's one of those things you can
Speaker 1: talk about at dinner and argue about and uh not
Speaker 1: lose family members and friends over like politics. Do you
Speaker 1: think sports is something that could really unify this country
Speaker 1: because we're so divided now? Do you think like we
Speaker 1: should just start talking about sports more on the news?
Speaker 1: I mean, I do think you know, it is you know,
Speaker 1: I call it the universal language. But you know, the
Speaker 1: thing about being a sports fan and a member of
Speaker 1: any team community, you know, it's it's funny because you know,
Speaker 1: we call it nation, right, Red Sox Nation, Raiders Nation.
Speaker 1: But you know, like if you're a Harry Potter's fan,
Speaker 1: you've never heard of Harry Potter Nation. And it's because
Speaker 1: like the fandom group of any team is like a country.
Speaker 1: It's so diverse, right, It's spanned any any team spans
Speaker 1: you know, gender, race, age, education, income, none of that matters.
Speaker 1: You're all like, you know, Raiders fans in your black
Speaker 1: and silver. And I do think that that has a
Speaker 1: huge potential for for bringing people together. And you know,
Speaker 1: about fifty two percent of Americans slightly more than half
Speaker 1: in polls identified themselves as sports fans. That's more than
Speaker 1: belong to any organized religion, political party, it's like the
Speaker 1: biggest thing in society now as you look into fan bases,
Speaker 1: every fan base has a stereotype. Right. What were your
Speaker 1: findings as you kind of dug into this team by
Speaker 1: team Yeah, I mean, I actually I think the difference
Speaker 1: is almost more sport by sport. You know. Certainly, you
Speaker 1: know cities like you know, Boston, Philadelphia, the fans have
Speaker 1: certain reputations for being a little gung ho, and it
Speaker 1: really knows. I personally, I ran the Philadelphia Marathon years
Speaker 1: ago and it's the same thing, Like every mile of
Speaker 1: the course line with people channing at strangers running by.
Speaker 1: It's like they'll come out for anything, you know, And
Speaker 1: you know, in some ways that's a great thing. But
Speaker 1: I find what really struck me was was college football fans,
Speaker 1: especially in the South, you know, like your Alabama fans.
Speaker 1: I mean I did not know when I was in
Speaker 1: college I could go into a bookstore and buy like
Speaker 1: an n C double a logo you know, Hologram licensed sweatshirt.
Speaker 1: But if you go to like the Alabama bookstore, you
Speaker 1: can buy a logo coffin, and that like really speaks
Speaker 1: to the dedication. I think, what are some of the
Speaker 1: examples of how it makes us happier and healthier, because
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a Giants fan and a long time
Speaker 1: suffering Knicks fans, so I'd really like to know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's two big things there. You know.
Speaker 1: One is psychologists if identified all these mental health benefits
Speaker 1: sports fans enjoy more than non fans, things like higher
Speaker 1: self esteem, lower rates of depression, more satisfaction with their
Speaker 1: social life. And all of that comes from the sense
Speaker 1: of community you get, like I said, of belonging to
Speaker 1: this nation. And with sports, what's really unusual is like
Speaker 1: if I watch a football game, people think like, I'm
Speaker 1: watching you know, twenty four guys on the field, but
Speaker 1: you're not. You're watching sixty people all the time on
Speaker 1: the screen in your team's logo where Way even signs
Speaker 1: foam fingers whatever it is. So you feel, even when
Speaker 1: you're home alone watching a game, like your part of something.
Speaker 1: And then you go to the supermarket and you're you're
Speaker 1: in Vegas and you you you see somebody wearing a
Speaker 1: Golden Knight's hat walking down the aisle of the supermarket
Speaker 1: and uh, you're wearing you know, Golden Knight sweashirt. You
Speaker 1: gotta look at each other and make eye contact and like, yeah, hey,
Speaker 1: we're linked even though we don't know each other. So
Speaker 1: there's a big humans or tribal animals. We've always wanted
Speaker 1: to belong to groups since caveman days, and uh, sports
Speaker 1: fulfills that. So that's like one one thing that makes
Speaker 1: us happy or our sense of belonging. And then to
Speaker 1: your point about the Giants and Knicks and thank god
Speaker 1: you didn't say Jets. You know, one thing that was
Speaker 1: really interesting I learned is that, you know, the winning
Speaker 1: and losing is not as important to our happiness as
Speaker 1: you would think being a sports fan. And like I
Speaker 1: talked to some Cubs fans, especially older Cubs fans, who
Speaker 1: are like a little bit disappointed that they finally won
Speaker 1: the World Series because it took away like part of
Speaker 1: what made it so special to be a long suffering
Speaker 1: Cubs fan. And you know, and there is some sad
Speaker 1: like the teams that lose a lot, their fans get
Speaker 1: a sense of pride because they're obviously not jumping on
Speaker 1: the bandwagon, right, But also it you get more mental
Speaker 1: benefit from winning, then you get mental downside from losing
Speaker 1: because your mind is like a thermostat right, you can
Speaker 1: only I look at like the super Bowl. Right, if
Speaker 1: you were um, a Tampa Bay fan, it's like a ten, right.
Speaker 1: You know, you're at home underdog, you win first time ever.
Speaker 1: You know teams want at home. But if you're Kansas
Speaker 1: City Chief Stan, it's not a zero, it's like a
Speaker 1: six or something, right, because you had a great year.
Speaker 1: You won the a f C. You went, you played
Speaker 1: the game, you went to the super Bowl. So in
Speaker 1: the long run, if your team is most teams in
Speaker 1: the long run of fifty fifty, right, most teams are
Speaker 1: pretty average other than the Yankees kind of dynasty teams.
Speaker 1: And given your lifetime, your team is fifty fifty, you
Speaker 1: come out way ahead because you get more from every
Speaker 1: one of those wins, and you lose from the losses.
Speaker 1: And if you are like the Giant the Knicks, and
Speaker 1: you happen to win ten years from now, that'll be
Speaker 1: with you for the rest of your life. Like I'm
Speaker 1: a Mets fan, so I can remember six, but I
Speaker 1: can't remember. I'll tell you who can't remember six is
Speaker 1: those actual Mets on the team? Yeah you know why? Yeah,
Speaker 1: well some of them are at a rehab now. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you remember it. I was just thinking of
Speaker 1: this past weekend Lions at Rams and all the people
Speaker 1: there in Matthew Stafford Lions jerseys, and I was thinking, Man,
Speaker 1: these guys have had it bad. Why don't they just
Speaker 1: take the opportunity to become a Rams fan now? And
Speaker 1: you're on a great team and their quarterback still And
Speaker 1: but that makes sense what you said, this kind of
Speaker 1: pride of not jumping off, of long suffering, and it
Speaker 1: always seems crazy to me, but that makes sense that
Speaker 1: you found that in your research. Yeah. I mean I
Speaker 1: remember when, like the Saints fans used to wear paper
Speaker 1: bags over their heads, and but they still went to
Speaker 1: the game. You know, that's the thing, right, They still
Speaker 1: bought the tickets, they went to the game. They were
Speaker 1: making a statement, but they were happy to be there.
Speaker 1: And they did a study of soccer fans in the
Speaker 1: UK and found that the fans were more likely to
Speaker 1: be willing to change religions than change soccer teams. Yeah. Wow,
Speaker 1: that says it all. That says it all. Did you
Speaker 1: also find in your in your research for the book
Speaker 1: that it uh broke down biases and hatreds because a
Speaker 1: lot of times you're rooting for people who are of
Speaker 1: a different ethnicity, different race, sometimes even different sects. Did
Speaker 1: it open people's minds in that way? Yeah? Absolutely? And
Speaker 1: you know what I was just saying about, like that
Speaker 1: study in England, I mean the psychologists say, you know,
Speaker 1: people internalize their fandom of the team so much that
Speaker 1: the team is like literally a part of our psyche, right,
Speaker 1: we believe the team is part of us, or we're
Speaker 1: part of the team. And so like when Jackie Robinson
Speaker 1: came in came to the Dodgers, right, a lot of
Speaker 1: the Dodgers fans were racist. You know, it's been romanticized,
Speaker 1: but the reality is a lot of them more racist,
Speaker 1: and they had to a sort of subconscious choice of
Speaker 1: am I going to continue to be a Dodgers fan
Speaker 1: or am I can continue to be racist? And it's
Speaker 1: easier in a lot of cases for them to accept
Speaker 1: the color rather than turn on their team. And so
Speaker 1: you know, that's the kind of the more the more
Speaker 1: understanding part of my title is all about that, the
Speaker 1: sort of social progress we've made from being sports fans.
Speaker 1: I'm struggling with that right now because Olivia's husband Sam
Speaker 1: Decker plays for the Raptors, and I want to root
Speaker 1: for that team, but I hate Canadians, so I'm struggling
Speaker 1: with that. It's really prejudice. I've never heard anyone hate
Speaker 1: Canadians before. What's to hate? Yeah, they're too nice. They
Speaker 1: have a molested glow, They're too nice. See I'm Midwestern
Speaker 1: and we're too nice. So I think Canadians and Midwesterners
Speaker 1: are kind of one and the same. My question for you, Larry,
Speaker 1: was what surprised you the most when you really dug
Speaker 1: into this, Because I think we all have a feel
Speaker 1: for what the experience of being a fan is like.
Speaker 1: But what really surprised you. The big thing for me
Speaker 1: was this sort of post traumatic healing power sports has.
Speaker 1: And you know, I remember nine eleven, right, We just
Speaker 1: had the twentieth anniversary in the game and when my
Speaker 1: Piazza hit the home run, and I interviewed people who
Speaker 1: were at that Mets Braves game, and it was the
Speaker 1: first professional sporting event played in New York after nine
Speaker 1: eleven ten days later, I think, and people like people,
Speaker 1: everyone remembers when they were on nine eleven. Everyone I
Speaker 1: talked about that game remembers every detail. Who sang the
Speaker 1: national anthem, and people said things to me like it
Speaker 1: was the moment when it was okay to smile again,
Speaker 1: to clap again, and then the same thing happens with
Speaker 1: like the Boston Marathon bombing. People from New Orleans talked
Speaker 1: about how much the Saints helped them through, you know,
Speaker 1: after Hurricane Katrina and the Las Vegas, the one October massacre.
Speaker 1: So I went out there and interviewed people who had
Speaker 1: been shot and shot at, who told me one after
Speaker 1: another about how like without the Golden Knights we would
Speaker 1: not have made it through. And when you people like
Speaker 1: literally tell you the Golden Knights save them, you can
Speaker 1: no longer dismiss sports as like trivial or you know,
Speaker 1: a waste of time, which some non fans say. So
Speaker 1: that was like my big takeaway from the book was like,
Speaker 1: this is something that's part of the fabric of our
Speaker 1: society and does even if you don't, even if you're
Speaker 1: not a sports fan, you benefit from living in a
Speaker 1: world with our sports fans. Wow. Yeah, I mean when
Speaker 1: you think about even how sports were founded by my people,
Speaker 1: the Greeks, the Olympics was sort of like away for
Speaker 1: them to take a break from fighting, from warring city
Speaker 1: states to stop fighting and sort of compete and make
Speaker 1: war kind of civilized war. Do you think sports has
Speaker 1: the potential and maybe the only thing for our hope
Speaker 1: for world peace. I actually have a chapter in a
Speaker 1: book called Sports and World Peace, So yes, and you're
Speaker 1: totally right right that there was. It was a never
Speaker 1: ending cycle of war they lived in except for the Olympics.
Speaker 1: And to me, the big example is South Frica. You know,
Speaker 1: they made that movie UM with Matt Damon and Morgan
Speaker 1: Freeman about the rugby teams, and it's based on a
Speaker 1: really good book called Playing the Enemy. But basically, you know,
Speaker 1: when Nelson Mandela, when apartheid ended in democracy took over,
Speaker 1: everyone in the world who was following it expected bloody
Speaker 1: civil war and Nelson Mandela basically averted that by using
Speaker 1: rugby fandom to smooth the transition of what most historians
Speaker 1: consider like the greatest peaceful government transition in human history.
Speaker 1: And a lot of it is due to sports fans. Now,
Speaker 1: we got to ask because this is a sports betting show.
Speaker 1: So when it comes to betting, what are the impacts
Speaker 1: of you know, when you look at fantasy sports embetting,
Speaker 1: what are the impacts of fandom. Yes, So the interesting
Speaker 1: thing is that it's it's uh, and I look more
Speaker 1: at fantasy sports because it's just the legalization of betting
Speaker 1: outside Las Vegas is relatively new, so there's a lot
Speaker 1: more data on fantasy sports, but there's a big overlap.
Speaker 1: And the the big thing about fantasy sports is it
Speaker 1: reduces that tribalism of you know, I hate the Red Sox,
Speaker 1: I hate the Yankees because now I have their players
Speaker 1: on my team. And I have a friend who's who's
Speaker 1: been really into fantasy football basically since it started and
Speaker 1: is a huge Washington football team fan, and uh, and
Speaker 1: he told me it took him like six years before
Speaker 1: he could take a player from the Cowboys and he
Speaker 1: kept losing, right, So you know, it's it's created that effect.
Speaker 1: And I actually taught psychologists have already studied this, like
Speaker 1: it makes people hate the other team less, which you know,
Speaker 1: the rivalry is still there, but I think that's good.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's producing like a more well rounded
Speaker 1: sports fan. That all we gotta do is do, Like
Speaker 1: a fantasy politics game started, and so like Democrats have
Speaker 1: to draft Republicans and Republicans have to draft Democrats. Maybe
Speaker 1: that will work there. That's like the best idea I've
Speaker 1: heard this week. Actually, Larry, you've made me feel a
Speaker 1: lot better about my career choice too, because sometimes, you know,
Speaker 1: if you have friends who are doctors or are out
Speaker 1: there help in the world, I'm like, man, I'm just
Speaker 1: a sports reporter. But now I know that I am
Speaker 1: making people happier, healthier, and more understanding. So I really
Speaker 1: appreciate you writing a book that solidifies that. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you know, I talked to fans and there are there
Speaker 1: are doctors, their lawyers, their bricklayers, their cab drivers. You know.
Speaker 1: That's the thing about sports fans is they are everyone
Speaker 1: real jobs. Yeah, not like us, not like your honest
Speaker 1: and me. No, now we can. Yeah, there's a sense
Speaker 1: of importance. I I what you're doing, Olivia, is it.
Speaker 1: You're doing a great service to humanity exactly. Thank you,
Speaker 1: Thank you, Larry, Thank you again for joining us. Great
Speaker 1: stuff there. Everyone, make sure you pick up this book
Speaker 1: called Fans, How Watching Sports makes Us happier, healthier, and
Speaker 1: more understanding. It's available now. Larry thinks again my pleasure.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. Now let's keep the discussion going,
Speaker 1: and we are bringing in a new guest. She's the
Speaker 1: host of cheddar Bets and the Backup Plan podcast. Hannah,
Speaker 1: Stop Chuck is in the building now, Hannah. I go
Speaker 1: on your show every Thursday. It's really fun to have
Speaker 1: you now on my show. This is on our turf.
Speaker 1: What do you think so far? I mean so far
Speaker 1: it's totally different than what we do at our show.
Speaker 1: But I'm just so happy to have this exchange with
Speaker 1: you once again. Olivia, I talked to you every Thursday
Speaker 1: afternoon four thirty pm. That's when you can catch shutter
Speaker 1: Bets thirty pm Eastern. But yeah, it's nice to be able,
Speaker 1: you know, to have you asked me the questions this
Speaker 1: time of up right, I'll ask much easier questions than
Speaker 1: you normally ask me to. Yeah, we get we get
Speaker 1: down a business on Thursdays on cheddar Bets. That's a
Speaker 1: lot of fun I do. We don't have a lot
Speaker 1: of time. We like just get right into it. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: now we will get to more sports storylines in a second.
Speaker 1: But did you bet on Imon Schumpert to win Dancing
Speaker 1: with the Stars, because that looks pretty strong right now.
Speaker 1: I am so obsessed with Evan Champfort on Dancing with
Speaker 1: the Stars. You guys watch the show, yeah, a little bit? Okay,
Speaker 1: So like Opening Night he came out with this thing.
Speaker 1: I think it was. I think it was the jive.
Speaker 1: He did something to outcause, I mean, I don't know
Speaker 1: how tall is he's like six nine. I'm gonna just guess,
Speaker 1: but normally you look like so awkward. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you guys saw Little more Oude him on Dancing Stars.
Speaker 1: Stiff is a board and Emon just kills it. I'm
Speaker 1: a huge fan of his family, his wife. They have
Speaker 1: a show on E like I fan girl over him.
Speaker 1: So every week I vote for Emon Champert. I have
Speaker 1: no shave. It's like so embarrassing. It looks like like
Speaker 1: my phone and says like Emon Imon Emon, It looks insane,
Speaker 1: but gotta do it. I can't believe you guys don't watch.
Speaker 1: I just catch highlights the highlight reel, be honest, do
Speaker 1: you watch? No, after he left it next, I stopped catching.
Speaker 1: I stopped. I just stopped paying attention to him. You know,
Speaker 1: I liked him in the Kanye video. No, that was
Speaker 1: his wife. He was in it two I guess, No,
Speaker 1: he was in it two and he's got a body
Speaker 1: on him. He's a he's got a hot bod. I
Speaker 1: have to go watch this. I had no idea his
Speaker 1: wife as a hot bod. Oh yeah, they both too,
Speaker 1: they both have a hot bod. But yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: not dancing with the stars just bothers me because it
Speaker 1: should be called, you know, dancing with the G League
Speaker 1: or dancing with the C list. I think it's more jealous. Yeah,
Speaker 1: would you turn it down? Yeah? I would turn it
Speaker 1: down for sure, because I can't dance. What Yeah, Olivia,
Speaker 1: would you turn it down? I would do it in
Speaker 1: a heartbeat. But I would do anything for the right
Speaker 1: amount in a heartbeat. Okay, I've got a question for you,
Speaker 1: because I know you're closely following the NBA and the
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons storyline is wacky, and every day it seems
Speaker 1: there's a new development. Do you think it is the
Speaker 1: best or worst story in sports right now? Okay? I
Speaker 1: would have argued that it was the best story in
Speaker 1: sports right now before he came out and said that
Speaker 1: he was having issues with his mental health, because then
Speaker 1: I think that like it totally switches gears here, because
Speaker 1: if if that's legitimate, like if that's the case. I
Speaker 1: mean they said that he was going under evaluation, and
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's for his back or for
Speaker 1: his mental space. So like, if if that's the case,
Speaker 1: then this becomes so serious and he should take a break,
Speaker 1: Like he should be able to stop what he's doing
Speaker 1: and get in that, you know, the mental space that
Speaker 1: he needs and then go back and hopefully play for
Speaker 1: the Sixers, you know, for as long as he needs to,
Speaker 1: and then get out of there, but get out of
Speaker 1: there on a good note and not not whatever is
Speaker 1: happening right now with the team. I feel like everybody
Speaker 1: has his back, Like I saw Tobias Harris talking about it,
Speaker 1: and I just feel like the team wants to support him,
Speaker 1: but we really have no idea what's going on. It
Speaker 1: was like really fun for a minute. I mean, I
Speaker 1: like to trash Doctor Sixers anyways, have I'm a heat fan,
Speaker 1: So but I think that now it gets serious because
Speaker 1: of his mental health issues and we know what happened.
Speaker 1: It was Simone Bios right, and then Naomi Osaka, like
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of people have talked about
Speaker 1: mental health issues recently and they've made it known that like, hey,
Speaker 1: this is serious, Like this is serious for everyone in
Speaker 1: the world, not even just athletes. So I think that
Speaker 1: changes things, and I think that people now need to
Speaker 1: respect him and just kind of let him figure this
Speaker 1: out on his own pace because it could be a while.
Speaker 1: Are we sure that's what it is though, because he's
Speaker 1: demanding a trade, right he wants I mean, isn't one
Speaker 1: of the things that he's saying is he just wants
Speaker 1: out of Philly. I saw that Darryl Morey was on
Speaker 1: like this radio station in Philly though, talking about it,
Speaker 1: and he said that this could go on for four years,
Speaker 1: which is insane. Can you imagine? I mean, I think
Speaker 1: he has he has a four year contract, right, so
Speaker 1: like the four years of this and then he even
Speaker 1: this is the president of some some of the Sixers
Speaker 1: even compared it to go to a hunt, much like
Speaker 1: I don't know where that. I don't know where that fits.
Speaker 1: I don't know what he's talking about. Really, No, I
Speaker 1: don't think it's Maybe yeah, it could mean that maybe
Speaker 1: he met a nice young lady in the off season
Speaker 1: and she lives in Kalamazoo and he wants a trade
Speaker 1: to some team in Kalamazoo because he wants to go
Speaker 1: see about a girl. That's what right? How do you like? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he wants about a girl. Since you're a he fan,
Speaker 1: let me ask you this question. Tyler Hero has said
Speaker 1: that he you know, he's very boisterous. He said he
Speaker 1: belongs in the conversation with Luca and Trey Young. Take
Speaker 1: your bias out of it as the Miamm girl you're from,
Speaker 1: le mea me and just is he as good as
Speaker 1: those guys from his class? He can be. I don't
Speaker 1: think he is. I don't think he is right now,
Speaker 1: but he can be. And I think he was for
Speaker 1: a minute, I think he was. I mean, I'm a
Speaker 1: Jack Harlow fan as well. I think Jack Harlo would
Speaker 1: great with me. But I think that I think that
Speaker 1: he can be. What do you guys think? Well, that
Speaker 1: is like the coolest best friend group. Also, by the way,
Speaker 1: I totally with you. I actually know Tyler Hero pretty well.
Speaker 1: He's from Wisconsin and he's come up to our house
Speaker 1: in Cheboygan to come shoot hoops and with my husband
Speaker 1: and he didn't know what did I know? But I
Speaker 1: watched And this is before he was drafted, and he
Speaker 1: didn't know what Lake Lake, Michigan was and he grew
Speaker 1: up on Lake Michigan, so I had a little problem.
Speaker 1: I can't shake that story out of my head. For
Speaker 1: all the Markles just say he was like really focused.
Speaker 1: Maybe not on the geography, but yeah, I know. I
Speaker 1: think when we saw him in the bubble, right, that's
Speaker 1: the Tyler hero that we're thinking of. But last season
Speaker 1: definitely fell off. He's a new father, he has a
Speaker 1: lot of exciting things going on in his life. But
Speaker 1: I think you would agree hand at Miami it is
Speaker 1: a pretty distracting town, right, And he's a young guy.
Speaker 1: And I saw the flash, so I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's the best location for him to be in. I
Speaker 1: used to cover the heat. I used to work with
Speaker 1: them when I was working for a network down south,
Speaker 1: and I used to go out and I would see
Speaker 1: the guys out all the time. I mean, like they
Speaker 1: definitely like if they say they're not out, it's a
Speaker 1: live total throughout every single day. So that's so bad.
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say that. It's probably not it's probably not
Speaker 1: totally true, but you know what I'm saying. I agre
Speaker 1: with what you're saying, and I'm only coming at it
Speaker 1: from a place of jealousy because my husband plays in Toronto.
Speaker 1: So I'm just it's ready where this is coming from.
Speaker 1: You know, look like the Lakers after just two games,
Speaker 1: they've already showed signs that they may have worse chemistry
Speaker 1: than j Cutler and Kristen Cavalari for an example. But
Speaker 1: you just look at them, and I know it's early.
Speaker 1: I know it's early, But can russ A, d Mellow,
Speaker 1: Lebron and Dwighte work in l A if they're not,
Speaker 1: you know, putting their fingers in each other's faces on
Speaker 1: the bench. I have no idea. What do you think
Speaker 1: about this Lakers team? I really think they look they
Speaker 1: look a bit like a mess. I couldn't believe that
Speaker 1: the Grizzlies were almost three and now and then the
Speaker 1: Lakers want against them. And I thought, by the way,
Speaker 1: the craziest thing about that game was that Ziah Williams,
Speaker 1: who is who plays for Memphis, was one of Brawnie's
Speaker 1: Brawnnie james former teammates. Crazy, so Lebron James was playing
Speaker 1: against like a regular season NBA game against one of
Speaker 1: his son's former high school teammates. So I think that
Speaker 1: I think that shows like how much the game is
Speaker 1: changing and how different everyone is. That like these old
Speaker 1: vets really got to get used to it, and I
Speaker 1: think they have to switch it up a bit. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know what they're gonna do. I
Speaker 1: think that little skirmish on the sidelines that we saw
Speaker 1: between A d and Dwight Howard shows that they may
Speaker 1: not make a great team, but they would make a
Speaker 1: great real world episode if we can film those guys.
Speaker 1: If you put those guys on a team and we
Speaker 1: just roll cameras, I think we're going to see a
Speaker 1: lot of drama. I don't see it working. It's crazy
Speaker 1: how the as like everyone goes to those games, regardless
Speaker 1: of how well they're doing, to see and be seen.
Speaker 1: It reminds me of the Knicks. Like the Knicks can
Speaker 1: be like, you know, the whole teams on fire, and
Speaker 1: still you have like the best celebrities in the front
Speaker 1: row watching going to watch them. I just I'm like,
Speaker 1: where is what's everyone doing? There's nothing else going on tonight?
Speaker 1: Well we're doing with the Knicks. It's again very early,
Speaker 1: but here we are trying to diagnose who's good who's not.
Speaker 1: Is it possible that the Knicks end up with a
Speaker 1: better record than the Nets. I mean, I'd be shocked.
Speaker 1: I'd be shocked, and just at the state of like
Speaker 1: New York teams in general, I'd be shocked. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's been going well for them. I don't think
Speaker 1: I would think it's going well for them. I mean, besides, besides,
Speaker 1: you know, the Yankees said a minute, but like, I
Speaker 1: think New York teams have a couple of years of
Speaker 1: I don't know, is that terrible to say. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about them as a whole, like they all
Speaker 1: need to change at the same time. But really, it's
Speaker 1: it has become like a problem. This is not the
Speaker 1: year New York. And this is a big New York fan.
Speaker 1: What your teams are Giants and Nicks, not Nets, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm more of a Knicks fan, and I think the
Speaker 1: Knicks might have a chance. They just don't have the
Speaker 1: distractions the Nets have right now. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: think there's just a bunch of like anti VAXs mandate
Speaker 1: protesters trying to break into the garden. So that's a
Speaker 1: good thing for the Knicks right now. Yeah, It's never
Speaker 1: a good thing when your season is kind of hinging
Speaker 1: on a mayoral race because that is going to drastically
Speaker 1: affect what they're able to do with the vaccine with Kyrie.
Speaker 1: But that's not I think for another month. But that
Speaker 1: whole storyline is crazy that that can really affect this team.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, probably. And the Knicks had that
Speaker 1: huge win over the Magic, and then I think they
Speaker 1: got so cocky that when they played them again, they
Speaker 1: like forgot that they needed to still bring it and
Speaker 1: it was just embarrassing that. I mean, the Magic are
Speaker 1: like in a rebuilding phase, so I think to lose
Speaker 1: to them just kind of changes the tone. I'll say it. Now,
Speaker 1: Nick's are going to make the playoffs, and there is
Speaker 1: a good chance they have a better record than the
Speaker 1: Nets because I think there's just too much drama in Brooklyn.
Speaker 1: I think they can rise above the drama. I'm ready
Speaker 1: to see them. I'm ready to see them be like
Speaker 1: the team of New York. Honestly, I kind of agree.
Speaker 1: Too many accomplished, tested, veteran players on that team to
Speaker 1: let this get away from him, I think, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: I know I don't want to be labor the point,
Speaker 1: but when has a team with so many egos really
Speaker 1: worked out, you know, like Miami. I guess the Celtics too,
Speaker 1: with the Big three. Okay, I made a bad point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there we go, There we go. I mean that's really
Speaker 1: the only time. I can't think of it the other time,
Speaker 1: and they always last for the shortest amount of time.
Speaker 1: I will say that that's true. Okay, I'll just I'll
Speaker 1: take a mellow. I'll take a mellow jab though, what
Speaker 1: when has a team with Carmelo on it ever worked out?
Speaker 1: So the Lakers are doomed? Great point. I went to
Speaker 1: Syracuse and so I used to be like a huge
Speaker 1: Mellow fan for that reason only, and then I realized that,
Speaker 1: like it was actually embarrassing to rep Mellow as intensely
Speaker 1: as I was. So that's when I was just like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm going to settle and on being
Speaker 1: a Heat fan and I'm going to stay away that
Speaker 1: this is when he was with the next so right,
Speaker 1: But yeah, he's he's really gone through it, like he's
Speaker 1: a bet through and through. And I mean he actually
Speaker 1: didn't play too bad this past weekend. He was like
Speaker 1: really holding it down for the team. But I think
Speaker 1: those games are hot, very hot and cold when it
Speaker 1: comes to him. Yeah, I agree. Well, Hannah, that's all
Speaker 1: the time we have. Thank you so much for joining
Speaker 1: us talking a little hoops. It's early, but it's so
Speaker 1: fun to dig our claws into the NBA. So we
Speaker 1: really appreciate it absolutely, and I'm sure I'll talk to
Speaker 1: you later this week on cheddar Bets. Yes, we will.
Speaker 1: Ever make sure you check out chadar Bets. Hannah and
Speaker 1: I really get into it and we stopped messing around
Speaker 1: like we do on our show, and you can follow
Speaker 1: Hannah on Twitter at Hannah a stop check. Thanks so
Speaker 1: much for joining us. Thank you by Hannah Begay. Two
Speaker 1: amazing interviews with two amazing people, both writers, both journalists,
Speaker 1: both beautiful, but not as beautiful as our own bet
Speaker 1: MGM Betting Expert bandelists. However you want to say it
Speaker 1: in Greek, Peter Andrew, how are you doing, my friend?
Speaker 1: I thank you for the Hell's nice. Yeah, good to
Speaker 1: see you. Let's hop right into a little MBA because
Speaker 1: we touched upon it with Hannah and the season is
Speaker 1: often running. We have two unexpected, exciting good teams who
Speaker 1: are undefeated. Talk to me about the Chicago Bulls and
Speaker 1: your squad down there with Michael Jordan's Charlotte Hornets. I
Speaker 1: think it's just three words, big ball brand, right, yeah, Lonza, Chicago, LaMelo,
Speaker 1: and maybe lo Angelo at some point in Charlotte. I
Speaker 1: think LaMelo first. I know I'm a little bit a
Speaker 1: little bit of a homer here as a Hornets fan,
Speaker 1: but they look really good, and they Jael when he
Speaker 1: plays well, and the first couple of games he's looked
Speaker 1: really good. I mean puts points off at will. He's
Speaker 1: an underrated shooter, but but obviously his passing is unbelievable.
Speaker 1: He had one yesterday. Gordon Hayward No look in the corner.
Speaker 1: I mean it was just ridiculous. Both of them look
Speaker 1: really good, and you're starting to see some of those
Speaker 1: bulls moves. You know, they're starting to make a ton
Speaker 1: of sense where you don't just need a superstar or
Speaker 1: two superstars with three superstars. When you have a team
Speaker 1: that can gel, they can win games. And I think
Speaker 1: you look at the Bucks last year as that example
Speaker 1: where there's just a lot of players that do you know,
Speaker 1: do their job, know their role. You obviously need that
Speaker 1: big guy like a Yanni sword, like a LaMelo or whoever.
Speaker 1: But they look great and there's some really good value.
Speaker 1: Just you know, I'm not gonna say they're gonna win
Speaker 1: the title because that's a bit of a long shot.
Speaker 1: But the Hornets to win their division plus twelve hundred
Speaker 1: also win, there's plus a thousand. It's not a bad bet.
Speaker 1: And if they go in a bit of a streak,
Speaker 1: that number is gonna drop a bit. You're gonna see
Speaker 1: it at six hundred, So a good time to take
Speaker 1: it now. And and then conversely to that, you have
Speaker 1: a couple of teams that maybe have started a bit slow,
Speaker 1: Lakers as an example, Maybe see their price just jump
Speaker 1: up a little bit and maybe it's a good opportunity
Speaker 1: to get them. So it's it really is. It's crazy
Speaker 1: starts the seasons only ben a couple of games, but
Speaker 1: but super exciting for somebod these kind of up and
Speaker 1: coming teams. Yeah, I was gonna ask you that when
Speaker 1: we're recording. These teams that we're talking about are three
Speaker 1: and oh and you mentioned their values still pretty good.
Speaker 1: I mean, how much has it jumped since preseason for
Speaker 1: to win their division? Yeah, it's been a little. I
Speaker 1: would say it's nothing more than maybe you know, plus
Speaker 1: a hundred. Ever, takes. So if it isn't crazy, but
Speaker 1: it's the point of getting it now before they go.
Speaker 1: You know, hornets as things they will win against self knit,
Speaker 1: a pretty decent team. Rattle off a couple more you'll
Speaker 1: start seeing on the fold. But like you said, it's
Speaker 1: you know, it is just the beginning of the the season.
Speaker 1: A lot of as play. I just want to make
Speaker 1: this quick point because I unleashed on the seventy five list.
Speaker 1: I just remembered the Detroit Pistons who won a championship.
Speaker 1: Not one of those players was on the seventy five
Speaker 1: all time list, And I love your points about great
Speaker 1: teams and everyone doing their role. So I just want
Speaker 1: to take another jab at that seventy five lists. I mean,
Speaker 1: those teams, they had some pretty good players. They weren't superstars,
Speaker 1: but Dan Rashid rip right, all those guys they played
Speaker 1: their partner with dogs in the paint. Absolutely, And my
Speaker 1: point was like, let's stop extolling only individual players and
Speaker 1: talk about some of the greatest teams of all time.
Speaker 1: And you know what, that Detroit Pistons team defense Baby,
Speaker 1: Ben Wallace, Baby, I'm with Let's get back to the
Speaker 1: NFL too. I'm looking right now at futures odds and
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray with the Cardinals still leads the packet plug
Speaker 1: us three fifty and they take on my Green Bay
Speaker 1: Packers on Thursday night and what should be one of
Speaker 1: the best games not only of the weekend, but I
Speaker 1: think in this first half of the season. I think
Speaker 1: that's a good place to start. Packers are on the
Speaker 1: road and they are three and a half point dog.
Speaker 1: Let's kind of break this one down and look at it,
Speaker 1: because you know that's my team. But I'm having a
Speaker 1: hard time going against the Cardinals here. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: the Cardinals. What scares me is how how many, you know,
Speaker 1: weapons they do have. They've got a couple of running backs,
Speaker 1: they got James Conner, they got Chase Edmons, they have
Speaker 1: a couple of receivers other than DeAndre Hopkins that can
Speaker 1: catch small a j. Green, and then you're seeing this
Speaker 1: emergence of Christian Kirk too. And that's not even going
Speaker 1: into they just acquired Zach Ertz just a week ago.
Speaker 1: That's six pretty good weapons. And talking about Kyler what
Speaker 1: he can do with his feet, you know, there was
Speaker 1: probably been a concern role in the season that you know,
Speaker 1: this is Kyler's maker break here. This is the coaching
Speaker 1: staff maker break here. They are a really really good team.
Speaker 1: Their defense is shown out I know in fantasy football
Speaker 1: right now they're the number one defense, so they're making
Speaker 1: turn numbers when they need to. They are a really
Speaker 1: really tough team, especially when you go into Arizona into Glendale.
Speaker 1: So this is an interesting one. Be interesting to see
Speaker 1: what you take Olivia here, whether you go over your
Speaker 1: head or your heart. Well, you're honestly go first. Who
Speaker 1: are you picking in this one? Okay? Well you know,
Speaker 1: I guess I'm the only one loyal too, because you
Speaker 1: have Olivia. You apparently have two teams, and it's convenient
Speaker 1: whenever you want to mention you're, Yeah, you're a Kansas
Speaker 1: City Chief fan when you want to talk about them.
Speaker 1: And then you always call Green Bay your team because
Speaker 1: you grew up watching Green Bay. So I don't trust
Speaker 1: your father that I can throw you. Okay, I'll just
Speaker 1: say that right now, because I'll take the Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 1: I'll be the loyal one year, okay. I I love
Speaker 1: a world look. I love the way they're looking. I
Speaker 1: love how the goat is looking. I love his his
Speaker 1: Optionsvante Adams rais cop I love it. I'm going with
Speaker 1: Green Bay. Baby, I am too, So just back up
Speaker 1: your hate truck because I am also taking it. Because
Speaker 1: if the Packers were to win and I took the Cardinals,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't forgive myself. And I agree. I guess I
Speaker 1: just have a bad taste in my mouth still from
Speaker 1: week one and from the off season, and a part
Speaker 1: of me feels like this great season they're putting together
Speaker 1: could crash and burn at anytime. But yeah, I'm sticking
Speaker 1: with my team. I'm sticking with my guys. And by
Speaker 1: the way, I'm not the only person. I have two fans.
Speaker 1: You just heard Larry Olms said say that it makes
Speaker 1: us happier and healthier. So I am happy and healthy
Speaker 1: with my two teams. You honest, that's good point, and
Speaker 1: it's good to know that you still have a little
Speaker 1: bit of a heart left, just a little. There's two
Speaker 1: things of thought here. You can go and not forgive
Speaker 1: yourself if you picked the Cardinals, or you can do
Speaker 1: the emotional hedge. You picked the Cardinals and then either
Speaker 1: way you win. Right, So then if the Packers one,
Speaker 1: it's like on my team one. But if the Cardinals,
Speaker 1: one honest is, probably got a speech lined up for
Speaker 1: next week exactly. Nice time, Peter. I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I don't think that works, but you get it. Okay,
Speaker 1: what's the next game? Next game? Interesting one? Uh, Brown's
Speaker 1: pretty shaken up. So Brown's against the Steelers team that
Speaker 1: I think is underwhelmed most people as well. What are
Speaker 1: you guys like there? Uh? You want me to go first, Olivia,
Speaker 1: or you want to go first? Um, I'll go quick
Speaker 1: and short Browns for me. I'm gonna go with because no, no,
Speaker 1: I want to hear a reason Baker's must be back
Speaker 1: this weekend. Not that case Kingdom was bad, but I
Speaker 1: just think when you have your starting quarterback, everything is
Speaker 1: a little bit more in sync. So I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: with Baker. Okay, I'm going with the Steelers. There we go.
Speaker 1: We got a disagreement there. I think they look a
Speaker 1: little revitalized. I think they may go on a little
Speaker 1: run before they fall apart. So they're gonna win this game,
Speaker 1: all right. Last one, probably the most impressive performance of
Speaker 1: of this weekend is past weekend Tennessee Titans, and they're
Speaker 1: all pro quarterback not Ryan Tannehill. Rrick Henry, uh said
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry and minus one against another strong performance the
Speaker 1: Colts plus once. So Colts at home basically pick up
Speaker 1: what you laders like here. Well, I'm really surprised that
Speaker 1: line is only at one. That seems very surprising after
Speaker 1: how great the Titans beat up on the Chiefs this
Speaker 1: last weekend. I cannot believe Indie is projected when I'm
Speaker 1: just looking at matchup predictor. Indie's fifty three percent supposed
Speaker 1: to win, so they're the one point underdog. I'm going
Speaker 1: with Tennessee here. They looked unstoppable last weekend. I like
Speaker 1: what I saw. I like what I saw in the
Speaker 1: late game on Sunday. I really like RICE saw on
Speaker 1: the defensive ent. I'm going with the Cults Indianapolis. I
Speaker 1: stand with you. This is an interesting one to see
Speaker 1: how this shakes out throughout the week because I don't
Speaker 1: think that line is gonna stay at I can see Tennessee,
Speaker 1: especially we have a loyal Tennessee fan base. I can
Speaker 1: see that, you know, going up to two and a
Speaker 1: half three points so be really interesting. But I think
Speaker 1: that's one of the games the week, along with the
Speaker 1: doctor skarts. Okay, well, now let's get to it. The
Speaker 1: winner of our punishment picks. It came down a Sunday night,
Speaker 1: like we just mentioned in the colds forty Niners game.
Speaker 1: What a nail biter, and that was what did me in.
Speaker 1: I can't believe it that I took forty niners. Jimmy
Speaker 1: G was back, even though I called him a candy
Speaker 1: corn bitch earlier. Jimmy G was back, that beautiful son
Speaker 1: of a gun, and they lost it. Joanna's had the cold,
Speaker 1: so Joanna's congratulations. Thank you. I love hearing you say
Speaker 1: that every time. Okay, so I gotta read it, read
Speaker 1: it first time. My eyes are seeing these nasty words
Speaker 1: lined up together, and your sick brain came up with
Speaker 1: let's see what I got. Read it like you meet it, Olivia,
Speaker 1: like you meet it, like you wrote it. Okay, like
Speaker 1: you wrote it. Jeez. I'm nervous every time. I gotta
Speaker 1: start winning this damn game. Okay, thanks for listening everyone.
Speaker 1: Now everything seems right again. Yanni the Great is back
Speaker 1: on top. Anyway, I want all my fans to know
Speaker 1: that whatever the fake news says in the next couple
Speaker 1: of days, I was not in Washington, d C. The
Speaker 1: night of storming the Capitol Yacht is also to all
Speaker 1: the girls I made crying grade school. In high school,
Speaker 1: that's not true, because I was most deaf, a mean
Speaker 1: girl cheerleader. I want to say, ha ha, I'm still
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Speaker 1: is Focus, drink some pumpkin spice lap Days, and put
Speaker 1: on one of Sam's sweaters and fuzzy socks because it's
Speaker 1: boots weather and I'm a basic bitch. Okay to shake
Speaker 1: because I've been calling you that, I'll show. Yeah, that's
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