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Speaker 1: My next guest is a Grammy nominated artists, songwriter, author,

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Speaker 1: He wants to know that I am successful in taking

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Speaker 1: care if I have the goods to take care of women.

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Speaker 1: I want to know that I can take care of

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Speaker 1: unless you's a free cystem of it, and that she

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Speaker 1: can take care of me in returns. And a lot

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Speaker 1: of women are not submissive enough. Um. And I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying they have to be walking around their head jail down,

434
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Speaker 1: but they have to be able to submit in a

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Speaker 1: way to their man. That um that lends to a

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Speaker 1: face for them to work together. Meaning if a woman

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Speaker 1: is in a is in a situation where a man

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Speaker 1: is leading, let me leave and don't try to step

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Speaker 1: in all the time. You know what I'm saying. So

440
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Speaker 1: some women are not. Some independent women have the era

441
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Speaker 1: of I have been doing it so long, I don't

442
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Speaker 1: need you to come in and help me. So now

443
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Speaker 1: they're used to doing it so long as by themselves

444
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Speaker 1: that it's harder for them to let down the regards

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Speaker 1: to have to allow a man to come in and

446
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Speaker 1: love on them and take over, because it's not it's

447
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Speaker 1: not about their side and look anymore. It's more to

448
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Speaker 1: about attitude. Let me let me comment on that, because

449
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Speaker 1: first of all, I agree with everything you're saying. Okay.

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Speaker 1: Is the reason I say that, because because of the

451
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Speaker 1: fact that the problem starts in the very beginning. It's

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Speaker 1: called communication. Make sure that person is looking at you

453
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Speaker 1: because you look good to them. It's gonna communicate with

454
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Speaker 1: you the way you want to be communicated with. Okay. Now,

455
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Speaker 1: if you start your relationship and it's physical, I swear

456
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Speaker 1: to you, it's gonna end bad or it's not gonna

457
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Speaker 1: end the way you wanted to end of a relationship

458
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Speaker 1: that is physical in the beginning, You've lost, You've lost

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Speaker 1: the whole. What I want to do with my life,

460
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Speaker 1: what I'm looking for in a man long term? What

461
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Speaker 1: I why? I think all that has been thrown away.

462
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Speaker 1: So so if you, if you drive your relationships and

463
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Speaker 1: tied to sex, got a problem. Now with that being said,

464
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Speaker 1: I always tell people that you know, I'm attracted to

465
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Speaker 1: women who tell me they have goals, tell me they

466
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Speaker 1: have dreams that that are thinkers I really have. If you,

467
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Speaker 1: if you, if you, if you can compete with me mentally,

468
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Speaker 1: then I'm I'm excited. This is true Sean McDonald talking

469
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Speaker 1: because I always like to I always like to wake

470
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Speaker 1: up and have a different conversation. And like I told

471
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Speaker 1: tell people, I always like to learn some things. I

472
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Speaker 1: like to learn some things from my partner. I like

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Speaker 1: to be challenged by my partner and information. And that's

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Speaker 1: all you're saying right now, That's all you're saying. But

475
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Speaker 1: also as a man, I have to feel a physical

476
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Speaker 1: role in the relationship. And you know that means that

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Speaker 1: if it's dark, I go and answer the door, I

478
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Speaker 1: hear north, I get up and listen to the north.

479
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Speaker 1: I can't tell my wife, hey, baby is a side

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Speaker 1: whyn't you go look and look at it and find

481
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Speaker 1: out what's going on. Now we've already changed, the rules

482
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 1: have been changed. You know, there are certain things from

483
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Speaker 1: a from a physical from a from a physical characteristics,

484
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Speaker 1: you have to maintain security. But from a standpoint of women,

485
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: listen to me and listen to Selena, all we're saying

486
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: is this, you have to have standards. You have to say. Look,

487
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 1: it's not about the image all the time. It's about

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Speaker 1: what I want. If a man does not, in that

489
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Speaker 1: openest statement, deliver information to you that you want to

490
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 1: hear about you other than your looks, you're gonna have

491
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Speaker 1: a problem. You're going to have a problem. I swear

492
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Speaker 1: that you're gonna have a problem. And it's not gonna

493
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Speaker 1: end good. That's all you're saying, and that's all you

494
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Speaker 1: said say in your book the way it's over Look,

495
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: I've been having body image problems since I was at Listens,

496
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 1: and they've carried all through our music career. Then I

497
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: realized it's bigger than that. It ain't so about the image.

498
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 1: It's about how we think and how we allow people

499
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Speaker 1: to bring that bad thoughts into our lives. They're bad

500
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Speaker 1: standards into our lives, and we don't challenge them as women.

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Speaker 1: That's all you're saying. Yeah, I said, it's all in

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Speaker 1: the mind. Starts all in the mind, and when you

503
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Speaker 1: change the thing, can you change your whole life. Let's

504
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: talk about this fitness competition of this brand. You know,

505
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: I always knew you had the fitness line, the fitness

506
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Speaker 1: concept of Finnish branding, but what what what got you

507
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Speaker 1: into the competitive state of fitness. I've always wanted to compete.

508
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Speaker 1: I guess it wasn't until um I turned you know,

509
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Speaker 1: reported too, and said, you know, how long are you

510
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: going to put this off? How long are you gonna

511
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Speaker 1: set this aside? How long are you going to keep

512
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: um uh, convincing yourself that you can't do it? And

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00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: the truth is, it's a burning sensation. It's something that

514
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: you've been wanting to do. I've been one need to

515
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Speaker 1: do it since I was twenty years old, and I

516
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: just never thought I had the time. I never thought

517
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Speaker 1: I had the discipline, and I wanted to see if

518
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Speaker 1: if that was the truth. And so I said, you

519
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Speaker 1: know what, We're gonna just tried. I mean the reason

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Speaker 1: why I'm able to trappings and the reason why I

521
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: accomplished a lot of stuff in my life, even if

522
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: certain things I can't control. But I accomplished my goals,

523
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Speaker 1: like little goals here and there, because I tried. You know,

524
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: I just tried now, and I'm also not afraid to

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Speaker 1: say it. I'm not afraid to say it. I don't

526
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Speaker 1: like failure, but I can't be afraid to sail. If

527
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call. But I've already be failure once. I tried.

528
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Speaker 1: So just so happy that when I tried, you know,

529
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Speaker 1: I usually make it, and so this time I tried.

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Speaker 1: It took me, you know a long time, because I

531
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Speaker 1: want to injuries and things of that nation. Of course,

532
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: the devil doesn't want you to get the way you

533
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: need to go, but you you have when you work it.

534
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: Now that that's what time it is. That the enemy

535
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: is always you know, he's speaking to devour at all

536
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: at all at all areas. Then you can you can pray,

537
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Speaker 1: you can play fall a certain points. So I just said,

538
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,479
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna get it. I'm gonna get

539
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: a professional all the tools I needed. It was very

540
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: difficult it was costly, but it was it was rewarding.

541
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Speaker 1: My life has changed forever. I am now a fitness competitor.

542
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: I'm training for my next competition. Obviously it was pushed

543
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: because it is still be the um you know, pandemic. Yeah,

544
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: but um the new day is August twenty nine. But

545
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: that's got it. Why have more times to profess the

546
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: body that I want? So I just have to keep working,

547
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: keep art. And it's always fun because I already love fitness.

548
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: I'm already into it. There's something I do every day,

549
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: do anyway, and it it fulfills that competitive is that

550
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: already lives in me and I'm not able to fulfill

551
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,959
Speaker 1: on a day to day basis. And you don't compete

552
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: against others. You're competing againsto else, which is super fun

553
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: and in a deal character and teaches you so much

554
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: about yourself, you know. I I really being that you're

555
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: a former athlete, basketball star, tennant star from high school.

556
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: And I always tell people sometimes you have to look

557
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: in your past to plan your greatness. And being a

558
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: young athlete, you just replicating that as a fitness competitor

559
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: now and so you're not you're not doing anything that

560
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: was strange. You just heard, you just finally committed to

561
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: the voice that you always was hearing in your head.

562
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: Do it, dude. I don't have time. I'm too busy,

563
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: I'm dating man, I'm moving to another city, I'm on

564
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: the road. But the voice always said, You've always been

565
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: an athlete. You always just always drove you. And I

566
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: think it's important that you remind people this is part

567
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: of your story so people won't think it's a fad

568
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: of think it's something that you just thought, you just

569
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: do because you just was wanted to do it. Because

570
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: us Selena Jones, you do anything you want. It's not

571
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: a bucket it's not a bucket list like it's an

572
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: actual things that I've been wanting to do. Yes, it's

573
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: long time. Yeah, it's hello somebody you know. And I'm

574
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: so glad you said that because a lot of times

575
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: when celebrities do something or it's because I'm a I'm

576
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: a singer. If I do something that's outside of singing,

577
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: then that's just on the side. It's to be able

578
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: to do three things and be grade at all of them.

579
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: Love it, you believe in themselves. Most people are wanted

580
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: to mention on they don't believe that they can be

581
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: more than one thing. Well, Celena, you know I'm a fan.

582
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: I'm so glad we took the time to get together

583
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: again to talk about the single woman, to talk about you,

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Speaker 1: your evolution as a not only as a as a

585
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: physical presence, but a motivational force, because that's what you are.

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00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: You can see her on a daily basis of Sister Circle,

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00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: which is on a TV one daytime talk show. She's

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00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: one of the co hosts. Yes, she is foote and

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00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: I've stood next to and within while I'm standing next

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Speaker 1: to a woman. That's all. That's all I say. When

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00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: I stood next to where I did show, I'm standing

592
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: next to a real woman. And the fact that your

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00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: single is called woman, I feel blessed because I saw one,

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Speaker 1: I met one, and you are one. Selena, stay strong, Okay,

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Speaker 1: thank you, Thank you so much, you too, and be

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Speaker 1: safe in this the times, safe and blessed. Appreciate you. Hi.

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