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Speaker 1: Now Lo mahold. We got it into college football world.

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Payton. This is the Lake Extra podcast for

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Speaker 1: either Tuesday or Wednesday, the twentieth or twenty first of February,

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Speaker 1: depending on when you're listening.

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Speaker 2: Happy to have you with us. It's college football.

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Speaker 1: We do this thing all year round, but this time

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Speaker 1: every week we do a special mail bag podcast only. Addition,

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Speaker 1: you can't find this entire thing wire to wire on YouTube,

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Speaker 1: although you can find little clips of it on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: We're in a nice, cozy little side studio here at

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Speaker 1: CBS Soda and what was formerly CMT today, so we're

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Speaker 1: happy to have you with us. I Am going to

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Speaker 1: dive right into the mail bag and then I'll just

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Speaker 1: I got some odds and ends to talk to you

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Speaker 1: about it as well. So let's get to the first question,

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Speaker 1: and it is from Robbie. He said, do the people

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Speaker 1: rooting for the big ACC brands to break out of

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Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people understand what they're

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Speaker 1: rooting for. So this happens a lot. Like anytime you

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Speaker 1: I'm one of those people in different walks of life

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Speaker 1: However, there's a disproportionate amount of time spent on wishing

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Speaker 1: the collateral damage? Sometimes that happens. So Robbie's asking about

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that means the ACC absorbs other

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Speaker 1: Either way, it's it's lame because it gets us further

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Speaker 2: Football in this day and age. But I've found this.

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Speaker 1: To be the case in a lot of different avenues

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Speaker 1: But I sometimes get made fun of because I sound

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Speaker 1: like an eighty year old guy who's resisting every single change. Well,

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Speaker 1: if I see they've only started the race in their

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Speaker 1: because it's not all progress. In number two, I'm resisting

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Speaker 1: And if you tell me Florida loses that game, that's

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Speaker 1: I was standing next to an NFL guy at that

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Speaker 1: Even though that's the case, these people will eventually get

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Speaker 1: Josh Hipel be that guy? Could Hugh Freeze that got

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Speaker 1: Brenton Vinables? You know I mentioned Luke Fickel earlier in

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Speaker 1: the pod.

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Speaker 2: Could he be that guy? Interesting times? Interesting times?

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Speaker 1: Courtney asked about the PAYT State Speakers series and what's

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Speaker 1: an update on that? Well, the pay State Speaker series,

438
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Speaker 1: what it is for those unfamiliar is I don't like

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Speaker 1: being here in Spring.

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Speaker 2: I don't like being cooped up in a studio. So

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Speaker 2: we are going to take the show.

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Speaker 1: On the road a whole lot, and it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a situation where I get as many names on this

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Speaker 1: show and get you access with as many coaches as

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Speaker 1: we can. We are starting this in less than ten days.

446
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Speaker 1: Won't be every show, and I will not be announcing

447
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Speaker 1: a grand list. In fact, I probably will sneak these

448
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Speaker 1: up on you guys, but you'll just randomly see us

449
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Speaker 1: pop up all over the place. And we are going

450
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Speaker 1: to have We already got locked in several one on

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Speaker 1: one extended conversations with the biggest head coaches in college football.

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Speaker 1: These are gonna be different than typical ping pong ball

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Speaker 1: Q and a Q and a Q and A type interviews.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna love it. You've already seen us do it before.

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Speaker 1: I think this will be a little bit more intimate

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Speaker 1: format even than I've shown you from our perspective, and

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Speaker 1: so it's gonna be really good. I'll get you a

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Speaker 1: ton of access. Obviously, I have the Eyejosh in hand.

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Speaker 1: When I go to these places. We get open door

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Speaker 1: access everywhere. We sit in staff meetings, not that I

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Speaker 1: can show you that. We'll sit in staff meetings. A

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Speaker 1: lot of these places work out in the weight room.

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Speaker 1: I can show you that. Obviously, you see all around

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Speaker 1: the facilities. So we have a whole lot of fun

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Speaker 1: doing this. But it's not a vacation for me, like,

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Speaker 1: when we're going there, our purpose is to take the

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Speaker 1: curtain on the major programs in college football and peel

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Speaker 1: it back as far as we can so you get

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Speaker 1: to see behind the scenes. The reason I do that

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Speaker 1: Number one's cause it's really good content.

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Speaker 2: Number Two.

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Speaker 1: When I was growing up and to this day, I

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Speaker 1: was fascinated with the behind the scenes mechanisms of any

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Speaker 1: kind of major operation as I was what was on

475
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Speaker 1: stage concerts. You may be fascinated that Taylor Swift's performing

476
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Speaker 1: to sixty thousand people. I want to see how many

477
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Speaker 1: trucks it takes. I want to see how you pipe

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Speaker 1: and drape a major stadium. I want to see construction

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Speaker 1: and tear down, load in, load out. I'm fascinated by

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Speaker 1: that stuff. When we're at football games, I try and

481
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Speaker 1: show you guys as much of that as I can.

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Speaker 1: I used to watch pro wrestling, and it would make

483
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Speaker 1: me so mad that when the wrestler walked up the

484
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Speaker 1: ramp and went behind the curtain, the camera didn't follow them.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to see behind the scenes. So I don't

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Speaker 1: think everyone's like that, but I also think some of

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Speaker 1: you are like that, and you don't know it. And

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Speaker 1: by that I mean if I were to show you

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Speaker 1: some of the internal operations at these places, you'd say.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's crazy, and I never would have even thought

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Speaker 2: about that.

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Speaker 1: So that is our purpose with the Pate State Speaker series,

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Speaker 1: and that will launch very very soon. We're going to

494
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Speaker 1: a number of places this spring, number of all Right,

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Speaker 1: next up, do we have the nonsense tweet? Okay, so

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Speaker 1: this morning, let me walk you through this. This morning,

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Speaker 1: I schedule a tweet to go out. Anytime we're gonna

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Speaker 1: do the Late Kick Extra pod, I schedule a tweet

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Speaker 1: to go out. It's just, hey, we're recording a pod.

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Speaker 1: Send me your questions. Simple enough, right, So it got desimplified.

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Speaker 1: This morning, I check my laptop. Just about to walk

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Speaker 1: out the door, I checked my laptop. See, hey, do

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Speaker 1: we have some really good replies. I gotta be honest

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Speaker 1: with you. I've read this thing like fifteen times now,

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Speaker 1: and I'm more confused now than the first time I

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Speaker 1: read it.

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Speaker 2: So I ask for questions.

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Speaker 1: Nbavallboy hits us and says, this is verbatim. I think

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Speaker 1: it goes without saying. You need to address the fact

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Speaker 1: that you can't really have much that to do, but

511
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Speaker 1: can't feel how that necessarily can't become what you don't

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Speaker 1: see now, it's really interesting, to be honest, that would

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Speaker 1: have not much been even more so than that dot

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Speaker 1: dot But even after you can't really got to have

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Speaker 1: that without it's a cry for help. That much is obvious,

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Speaker 1: but I don't know what kind of.

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Speaker 2: Help he needs. The replies were as you would expect.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I encourage you to go look at them,

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Speaker 1: cause I retweeted this this morning. Wherever you are, and

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Speaker 1: however you are, NBA Ballboy t's and p's and thank.

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Speaker 2: You for listening to the pod.

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Speaker 1: Next up, I always love doing this because I always

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Speaker 1: love here rate. We're in a radio studio right now,

524
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Speaker 1: so I feel the need to just scrunch the paper

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Speaker 1: in the microphone to make it feel authentic. Logan hit

526
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Speaker 1: us and Logan said, last podcast, you said, at the

527
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Speaker 1: end of the day, you want to see the best

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Speaker 1: of the best play each other. I e O Hi

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Speaker 1: State versus Georgia, But why not see a team like

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Speaker 1: Utah in there. I think it would be great for

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Speaker 1: the sport and give some semblance of hope of fans

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Speaker 1: of teams outside the usual power teams. And that's logan

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Speaker 1: from Columbia Missouri logan, I'm with you. I'm with you

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Speaker 1: to a certain degree. So if we were to watch

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Speaker 1: the season playout, and let's take Utah for example, if

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Speaker 1: we watched this season playout and Utah looked like Washington

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Speaker 1: did last year, I'm all for Utah being in there,

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Speaker 1: and especially because they will have earned their way. What

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Speaker 1: I'm not for is, I'm not for this artificial environment

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Speaker 1: where we create an autobid class. And then let's just say,

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Speaker 1: for example, let's say Utah were to be a very

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Speaker 1: flawed team. They have a good quarterback, but they have

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Speaker 1: a very flawed team. They lose two games, but they

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Speaker 1: win the Big Twelve, and they get in the playoff

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Speaker 1: because they the Big Twelve and there's an auto bid,

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Speaker 1: and then they happen to face a couple of teams

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Speaker 1: that have just massive amounts of injuries, like let's say

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Speaker 1: a Florida State situation. Let's say Utah played a couple

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Speaker 1: of those teams and they all of a sudden end

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Speaker 1: up in the semi final round or get to the

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Speaker 1: title game. Well, that right there is not fun for.

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Speaker 2: Me to watch.

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Speaker 1: Conversely, if Utah's dominating, and they're facing legit teams at

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Speaker 1: full strength and they're beating them. I'm all for Utah.

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Speaker 1: In my perfect world, I'd rather have that. I'd rather

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Speaker 1: have fifteen or twenty programs out there that we go

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Speaker 1: into any given year look at and say that team

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Speaker 1: right there does not even need any breaks. They could

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Speaker 1: just flat out win a title this year. That's never

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Speaker 1: been college football.

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Speaker 2: I wish it were.

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Speaker 1: That's never been college football. There is no way to

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Speaker 1: reverse engineer college football to be that way. In case

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Speaker 1: you think that's where I'm about to go, I don't

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Speaker 1: think any amount of portal or NIL is gonna make

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Speaker 1: it that way. I don't think the structure we have

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Speaker 1: with Portal INNI right now is sustainable or is long term.

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Speaker 1: So that kind of stuff, I think is very much

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Speaker 1: in a window phase and it will be phased out

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Speaker 1: in the not too distant future, where you'll probably revert

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Speaker 1: back to where the sport's normally been. That's a few

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Speaker 1: programs dominating, and then you have a few more who

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Speaker 1: could rotate in any given year, and then you got

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Speaker 1: a few more where you could see them do what

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Speaker 1: TCU did and shine one year. But it's bookended by

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Speaker 1: five and seven seasons. So I'd love to see that,

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Speaker 1: but I know what reality is in college football. Reality

578
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Speaker 1: has been you got the haves and have nots. So

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Speaker 1: if you give me that world, well, in a playoff,

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Speaker 1: I want to see the haves facing the havelves. I

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Speaker 1: was down there in Atlanta. In fact, I was standing

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Speaker 1: under the upright when Ohio State missed that field goal

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Speaker 1: to try and beat Georgia a couple of years ago

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Speaker 1: in the semi final game in the Peach Bowl, and

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Speaker 1: I remember thinking, I think I just watched the national

586
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Speaker 1: title game, and I did. I did because no disrespect

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Speaker 1: to TC, but they were never going to be capable

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Speaker 1: of putting a product on the field the following week

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Speaker 1: superior to either of those teams.

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Speaker 2: And I think there have.

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Speaker 1: Been SEC Championship games like that in years past. Remember

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Speaker 1: twenty twelve, Remember when I believe it was Bama Georgia

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Speaker 1: in Atlanta in the SEC title game and you know

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Speaker 1: the winners going to face Notre Dame. Now, there were

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Speaker 1: people out there who thought Notre Dame had a shot.

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Speaker 1: There were other people who thought the winner in Atlanta

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Speaker 1: will skull drag Notre Dame.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know if Georgia would have. I think

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Speaker 2: they would.

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Speaker 1: I know Bama did. So we're watching that game and

601
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Speaker 1: we're saying, I feel more excited about the SEC title

602
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Speaker 1: game than I do whatever the National title game is

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Speaker 1: going to be. The reason is because you had Tier

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Speaker 1: one teams going at it. And I don't think there's

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Speaker 1: anything wrong with thinking that way. You can wish in

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Speaker 1: one hand and think in the other hand, which is

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Speaker 1: not exactly the old mem quote, but it's close enough.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you. I want to get this one here.

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Speaker 1: So Michael hit me with a question I think we

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Speaker 1: get about four times a year. I answer it maybe

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Speaker 1: twice a year. Just wants to know, Josh, what do

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Speaker 1: you think the perfect college football weather is? If I

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Speaker 1: can dial up a Saturday, what do we want? And

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Speaker 1: I think this is very relevant, especially because this coming year, Guys,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you've thought this far ahead, but

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Speaker 1: this coming year twenty twenty four, there may be a

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Speaker 1: situation where Wisconsin goes to the playoff and they're facing

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Speaker 1: Miami and it's early December and it's twenty eight degrees

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Speaker 1: and it's snow in sideways in Madison.

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Speaker 2: That could happen this year.

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Speaker 1: I know you guys are fantasized about that, because there

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Speaker 1: are those amongst us who believe cold, snowy.

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Speaker 2: Weather is football weather.

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Speaker 1: And I love watching it on TV just like you do.

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Speaker 1: No one loves a good weather game more so than

626
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Speaker 1: your boy here. But that's not what he asked. He

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Speaker 1: asked what are the ideal conditions? And to me, idealing

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Speaker 1: includes conditions I'm going to have to be in so

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Speaker 1: as someone who has been at the Ohio State Michigan

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Speaker 1: game the past three consecutive years, and someone who was

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Speaker 1: at Washington, Oregon State this past year where somehow it

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Speaker 1: felt colder even though it was just raining. I want

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Speaker 1: about sixty eight to seventy two degrees, and I want

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Speaker 1: passing clouds, and I want otherwise sunny conditions. It's also

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Speaker 1: early enough in the year where the sunlight last. You

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Speaker 1: know what, scratch that, scratch that. Let's have that classic

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Speaker 1: three p thirty window. Let's have the first half played

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Speaker 1: in daytime, and let's have mid seventies, low to mid seventies.

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Speaker 1: That way, we get the sunset midway through third quarter.

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Speaker 1: We're playing the fourth quarter in primetime at night, and

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Speaker 1: the temperature still in the sixties so it feels great.

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Speaker 1: The air is dry, it's crisp. These are my perfect conditions.

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Speaker 1: Now I would venture to think I may be in

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Speaker 1: the minority on this would have to take poll. I

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Speaker 1: know a lot of you love warm weather, but there

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Speaker 1: are a ton of folks, and I used to be

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Speaker 1: this way. There are a ton of folks who want

648
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: bad weather for football games and think that that's football weather.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what changed about me. Maybe I sold out.

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Speaker 2: That's small.

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Speaker 1: the question is why is having Ohio State and Oregon

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Speaker 1: play three times a bad thing at all? We don't

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Speaker 1: complain when it happens in the NFL, and it's about

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Speaker 1: as good as college football gets with two teams that

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Speaker 1: good facing off.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: What we're talking about here is a potential starting this

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Speaker 1: season where teams could play three times. Case in Point,

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Speaker 1: Oregon and Ohio State play in the regular season in Eugene,

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Speaker 1: they could very well face off in the Big Ten

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Speaker 1: title game. They could both make the playoff and face

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Speaker 1: off in the playoff, thus three times in one season.

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Speaker 1: This could happen with Alabama and Georgia this year. This

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Speaker 1: could happen with Ohio State and Michigan this year. This

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Speaker 1: could happen in a number of different scenarios. Anywhere you've

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Speaker 1: got no divisions and a conference title game and two

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Speaker 1: pretty good teams. This could happen. Why would it be

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Speaker 1: a bad thing? Because I think more of a good

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00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: thing can diminish how good that thing is. Very basic

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Speaker 1: economic principle. If I have a dollar bill in front

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Speaker 1: of me, that thing's worth a dollar. If I print

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Speaker 1: off seven hundred trillion other ones, it's not worth what

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Speaker 1: it once was worth. This is the logic I've always

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Speaker 1: used when it comes to the playoff period. I'm not

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Speaker 1: debating the playoff right now, but I am telling you.

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Speaker 1: When I used to debate the playoff and I was

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Speaker 1: team BCS or team four and no more, then you'd

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Speaker 1: have other folks who wanted eight games or eight teams

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Speaker 1: or twelve teams. That's the logic they would throw in

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Speaker 1: my face. They would say, how can you deny more

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Speaker 1: football would be better? And I used to always be

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Speaker 1: so puzzled that I'm the one who has to answer that,

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Speaker 1: Like you think you got me, buddy, That's not the

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Speaker 1: flex you think it is. The basic principle of scarcity

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Speaker 1: Just basic economic scarcity principles. So in college football, if

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Speaker 1: I know Ohio State's playing Oregon, I'm building up to

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Speaker 1: that thing because i know it's happening once that Saturday,

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Speaker 1: and I've got to enjoy it because it's so rare,

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Speaker 1: it's so awesome. It builds the magnitude and value of

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Speaker 1: having to watch that game. Now, we do live in

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Speaker 1: a world right now where we sometimes see rematches in

741
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Speaker 1: conference title games. We will see more of them because

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Speaker 1: there are no divisions anymore in places like the Big

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Speaker 1: Ten and I can live with that, but even the

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Speaker 1: second time around, especially if the first matchup happened later

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Speaker 1: in the season, I don't know how you maintain the

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Speaker 1: illusion that it's worth the same thing. And look, you

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Speaker 1: talked about Oregon Ohio State, because that's something I mentioned

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Speaker 1: on the show the other night. Let's do Ohio State

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Speaker 1: Michigan for just a second. You're telling me that you

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Speaker 1: could watch Michigan play Ohio State in late November this

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Speaker 1: year and have the outcome be whatever it is, and

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Speaker 1: they play seven days later in Indianapolis, and then they

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Speaker 1: play again two weeks down the road, so they would

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Speaker 1: play three times in a month calendar wise, and you

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Speaker 1: think that would be awesome if you say yes to that,

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Speaker 1: we just disagree. We have difference of opinion on that.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's cool in the NFL. You said,

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Speaker 1: we never complained about it in the NFL. I think

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Speaker 1: it's lame when it happens in the NFL, And a

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Speaker 1: lot of times the first matchup happens where the teams

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Speaker 1: already know they're in the playoff or whatnot, so they

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Speaker 1: rest their starters and that's lame to me.

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Speaker 2: So I don't think.

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Speaker 1: It would be I think it's something that sounds good.

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Speaker 1: But we call that bumper sticker logic around here, where

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Speaker 2: Oh, this.

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Speaker 1: Sounded a lot better than it actually feels, than it

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Speaker 2: I am, in a very.

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Speaker 1: Very backwards way, sort of excited for it to happen

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Speaker 1: because I think it's a flaw in the system. I

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Speaker 1: think it's a flaw, and I almost want us to

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Speaker 1: go ahead and get it out of the way in

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Speaker 1: year one. I want to see Georgia, Bama or Ohio

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Speaker 1: State organ go ahead and play three times because I

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Speaker 1: want to find out Number one, am I right? Or

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Speaker 1: does it just feel awesome three times?

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Speaker 2: Number two?

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Speaker 1: If it doesn't feel awesome, does everyone else feel the

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Speaker 1: same way? And number three? If everyone else feels the

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Speaker 1: nothing we can do now, or do they work to

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Speaker 1: change it? Do they work to alter it? I don't

786
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Speaker 1: know how you alter it short of getting rid of

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Speaker 1: conference championship games or saying I actually don't know what

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Speaker 1: the other rule would be, because you can't you can't

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Speaker 1: format the playoff by saying no rematches possible. You could

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Speaker 1: only do that in the first round. I remember major

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Speaker 1: League Baseball, I don't know if they still do. They

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Speaker 1: used to have a rule where in their expanded playoff

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Speaker 1: from your own division, and it's why of the Braves

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Speaker 1: instead of the Marlins. But I don't know if they

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Speaker 1: still do that. But anyway, I'll be interested to see

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Speaker 1: how that plays out. I think I'm right on this.

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Speaker 1: I think I know how I would feel about it now.

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Speaker 1: As we all know, sometimes the way I is not

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Speaker 2: But three times and it's just gonna be awesome every time.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about that. Uh uh, I don't know. Also,

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Speaker 1: here's another here's a little scenario to think about. What

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Speaker 1: and won, and Ohio State won the second game in

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Speaker 1: the Big Ten title game, but Oregon was ten and

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Speaker 1: two or eleven and two, I guess in that case,

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Speaker 1: and they still get like an eleven seed or a

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Speaker 1: twelve seed, and they fight their way through and they

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Speaker 1: State goes two and one against Oregon in a year

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Speaker 1: and they're out and Oregon goes on to do whatever

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Speaker 1: they do in the playoff. Did they earn it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Should you ever get three cracks at a team

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Speaker 2: and a season? Probably not? But whatever.

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Speaker 1: Next up we're going to we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: somebody that I don't think we've talked about in quite

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Speaker 1: guys been. I know what you do can be emotionally

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Speaker 1: Thanks guys, Thank you Eden. I thought that was going

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Speaker 1: to be a Dan Mullen question, but I was wrong.

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Speaker 1: But don't worry, we're about to talk about Mullen.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it. We're doing fine, We're doing wonderful.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you have to pinch yourself and remind yourself that

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Speaker 1: Some of it you'll see in the next couple of months,

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Speaker 2: Everything.

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Speaker 1: If you have an idea in September or October or

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Speaker 1: off season projects. So we're good. We got a lot

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Speaker 1: of stuff going on. It's a very uncertain time in

842
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,160
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Speaker 2: You probably read.

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Speaker 1: Those headlines yourself, and so there's very little certain footing.

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Speaker 1: And we have good footing here with this show because

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848
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Speaker 1: We are in a very blessed position because of you guys.

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Speaker 1: We work very hard. But there are a lot of

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Speaker 1: have one, And it's not through any fault of their own.

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Speaker 2: It just is the way it is.

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Speaker 1: We are not in that position because of you guys,

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Speaker 1: So we don't take it lightly. I'm speaking for everyone here.

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Speaker 1: We don't take it lightly. We appreciate it all right.

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Speaker 1: Now let's move along. Alex from Gainesville, I can only

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Speaker 1: Mullen as a candidate for another major coaching job? Now

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00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: that Nil has taken some pressure off the coach in recruiting,

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Speaker 1: he can jump in whenever he wants to. Dan Mullen

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Speaker 1: is in one of the best positions, one of the

865
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: most privileged positions that someone who lost their job could

866
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 1: ever hope to be in, because his stock is rising

867
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: every year. It's called the John Gruden effect. Gruden got

868
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: fired once upon a time, went sat in the Monday

869
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: night football.

870
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 2: Booth, did his Gruden QB.

871
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: Camp on ESPN once twice a month, and that stock

872
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: just went up and up and up. And the reason

873
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: is not because he was turning into any different a person.

874
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 1: The reason is not because he was a different coach

875
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: from sitting in a booth than he had been when

876
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: he was on the field, not performing at a high

877
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 1: enough level for his boss's liking. The reason is because

878
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: humans make these hires, and in many cases that human

879
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: is not a football savant, and so you can impress

880
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: him talking ABC one, two three, You don't really have

881
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: to talk calculus. You can talk basic arithmetic that any

882
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: coach worth his or her AsSalt would be able to do,

883
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: and you can impress some of these people. There's no

884
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: better place to do that than on a television screen.

885
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: Folks like me can sound like we could coach if

886
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: all we have to do is talk about it, and

887
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: we all know that's not true. So imagine taking someone

888
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: who actually is a brilliant football mime and putting them

889
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 1: in a studio and they get to question and second guests,

890
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,240
Speaker 1: they get to make predictions, they get to never be wrong.

891
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 2: That's the world Dan Mullen.

892
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: Lives in right now, and you know who sees him

893
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: not some people. Like when you're the head coach at Florida,

894
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: you have a press conference, your fans hear it, and

895
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: maybe if you wear a Darth Vader costume, maybe the

896
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: nation hears it, but by and large it's pretty insulated

897
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 1: to the region and your fan base hears you. When

898
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: you're on national TV. Everyone hears you, not just fans.

899
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Speaker 1: Chancellors hear you, presidents hear you, Athletic directors hear you.

900
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 1: And so Dan Mullen has gotten several offers.

901
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 2: Don't care yourself that.

902
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: Dan Mullen, if he really was just dying to get

903
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: back into coaching, would be in coaching already several years

904
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: in to a new coaching tenure, by the way, because

905
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:11,760
Speaker 1: he could have had won the moment he got fired

906
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: at Florida, he just sits and waits. There's no hurry.

907
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: The buyout life is such that you don't have to

908
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: jump in. He's not hurting for money. And so Dan

909
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 1: Mullen's doing what frankly, I think several other guys may

910
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: desire or long to do now they don't want to

911
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: get fired. But I told you, and I've told you

912
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Speaker 1: for a couple of months now.

913
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 2: I know of active head coaches who have mentioned Mullen's

914
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 2: name to me specifically, not in a pejorative manner, but

915
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 2: they've spoken Dan Mullen's name and they've said, you know

916
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 2: what I'd love to do.

917
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: I'd love to retire quote unquote and go do what

918
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: Dan Mullen's doing, only to know I'm coming back, but

919
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: just to wait and pick and choose the moment I

920
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: re enter the sport. And the thinking right now from some,

921
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: although they haven't done it, the thinking from some is

922
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: I could step away now I'm forty five, I'm fifty,

923
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Speaker 1: I'm fifty three.

924
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Speaker 2: I could step away.

925
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: I could go work as long as I wanted to.

926
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: I could still make plenty good enough money, and I'm

927
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: already financially set anyway. I've made tens of millions of

928
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: dollars coaching a game, and I could spend more time

929
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,240
Speaker 1: with my kids, and I could have a much freer,

930
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: looser schedule that'd be much lower stress. And all the while,

931
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Speaker 1: I'm on the phone of my agent a couple of

932
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Speaker 1: times a week, and he's fielding offers indefinitely as long

933
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Speaker 1: as I want him to, and I give him five names,

934
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: or I give him five universities that I'm willing to

935
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: go to, and we just wait.

936
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Speaker 2: For one to open.

937
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: There's incredible churn in this sport. So Dan Mullen, if

938
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: the job he wants isn't open right now, it'll be

939
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: open unless he has his eye on one. Most coaches

940
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: don't just have their eye on one. But even if

941
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: you do, if it's not coming open until twenty thirty one,

942
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: who cares sitting in a studio, it's no sweat off

943
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: your back?

944
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 2: Who cares?

945
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: So, Yeah, Dan Mullen will come back. There's no way

946
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: Dan Mullins coached his last game, No way. But there's

947
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 1: also no way Dan Mullin's sitting there, you know, on

948
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: the phone with his agent, pouring sweat, tie undone, top

949
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: two buttons ond scratching his neck. You gotta get me

950
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: in anywhere. I'll take anything. I'll coach middle school.

951
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 2: If I have to.

952
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: That's not the way it has to be for the

953
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: Dan Mullins of the world. Next up, let's talk about

954
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: cam Ward. You guys know who cam Ward is? Yeah,

955
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: quarterback formerly at Washington State. Luke hit me and said,

956
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 1: new subscriber to the channel, love the content, Thanks for

957
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: being a leading voice in college football.

958
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 2: Those are Luke's words, not mine. There are a lot of.

959
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: Lukes out there who really support and respect me, and

960
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. He continues. Do you think cam Ward

961
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: will go over his thirty seven hundred yard mark from

962
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,240
Speaker 1: when he was at Washington State with the Miami Hurricanes

963
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: this year? From Myami Florida.

964
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 2: No.

965
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: No, I'm doing this thing this year where I take

966
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: guys out of the portal and I have default low

967
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: expectations so that I get surprised a lot instead of

968
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: disappointed a lot.

969
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 2: So cam Ward's a stud. Cam Ward flirted with the

970
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 2: NFL and then decided to go to Miami instead. I

971
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 2: have no doubt about his ability. Thirty seven hundred yards

972
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 2: is what he had last year, a little over thirty

973
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 2: seven twenty five passing touchdowns. He had a great year.

974
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 2: Will he do that at Miami? He's capable of it. Yes.

975
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: I am going to be of the assumption that every

976
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: transfer portal player is going to achieve below the level

977
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: of expectation, and I'm going to be wrong a lot,

978
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 1: but I want to be pleasantly surprised that you overachieved.

979
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: What I don't want to do is the same thing

980
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,760
Speaker 1: people do in the totals market when the over underwin

981
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 1: totals come out and they only bet overs, and then

982
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: bunch of unders hit, and then you look back in

983
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 1: December and say, well, if I would have only known this, well,

984
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 1: who could have seen that? Okay, well, I don't want

985
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: my heart broken in December I want to instead be

986
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: doing segments where I say good for him. Wow, man,

987
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: I didn't see that coming. That's fun, that's nice, that's

988
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: warm December content, instead of boy, we really fumbled that one,

989
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: didn't we Because in the transfer portal market just now,

990
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: I'm not speaking about cam Ward now, just broaden it

991
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: for a second. In general, when guys are transferring, they're

992
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: transferring for any of a number of reasons. But the

993
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: career is not exactly stable at the moment, and you're

994
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: also having to, especially as a quarterback, go and learn

995
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: new terminology, work with the new offensive coordinator, familiarize yourself

996
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: with not only a new city in a new campus

997
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 1: and new this and that, new teammates, new receivers, new

998
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: O line, new backs, new tight ends, and you're got it.

999
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: You've got to be the guy. Like it's not like

1000
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: Dante Moore at Oregon, where he's coming in this year

1001
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: and the plan is for him to sit Dylan Gabriel

1002
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: will be at the Helm and then it'll be his

1003
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: next year. Well if that were the case, it'd be

1004
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: a different conversation. So cam wore thirty seven hundred yards. No,

1005
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna choose him, I'm not gonna not going

1006
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: to predict that he has that many.

1007
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 2: And also, what if.

1008
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: He has thirty two hundred, Miami probably still won a

1009
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: ton of games this year. So I'm gonna take the

1010
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: wait and see approach. I don't want to be guilty

1011
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: of over hyping Miami, which I've never done, never done,

1012
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: and never will and I challenge you to prove otherwise here.

1013
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: But cam Woard, it's a big pick up, big pickup.

1014
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: Now spring ball starts, let's all just watch together. I

1015
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: had one more question about was it Michigan? Yeah, so

1016
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: George hit me and said, will Michigan repeat from port

1017
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: here on Michigan. No, they will not repeat his national

1018
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: champs this year. Again, not one for making predictions in February,

1019
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 1: but if you're giving me a yes no proposition here,

1020
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 1: of course they won't repeat. It was hard for him

1021
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: to win it last year. It's really hard to win

1022
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: a national championship. It's insanely hard to repeat. And they've

1023
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: also just to give you guys an idea. If you

1024
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: checked out after the national title game and you're just

1025
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: now coming back to the table, of course you know

1026
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: harball's gone. But they lost Jesse Mener, the defensive coordinator.

1027
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: They lost a special teams coordinator. They lost their strength

1028
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: and conditioning guy who was a big name fixture in

1029
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: and around Ann Arbor. They lost a d line coach DB's.

1030
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: They lost their best quarterback in JJ McCarthy to the draft.

1031
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: Number one running back's gone. Top two receivers are gone,

1032
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: number two tight end. They lost five OH linemen with

1033
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: thirty or more starts. They lost a star defensive lineman.

1034
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,959
Speaker 1: Three linebackers with thirty or more starts are gone. Lost

1035
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: two key dbs. Like, that's a new team. It's a

1036
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: new team with a new head coach and new staff.

1037
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: I mean, are Michigan fans even going to predict that?

1038
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: I don't think they are. This is not hating or

1039
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 1: anything like that. I'd be really surprised if I talk

1040
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: to my Michigan fans. We got a ton of them

1041
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 1: who watched the show. I mean, if I get any

1042
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: disagreement on this, you guys really predicting yourself to win

1043
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: the national championship. Now here's what's fun. What's fun? I

1044
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: got one Michigan buddy who texted me the other night

1045
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: about Ryan Day, and he said, are you really about

1046
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: to build up, Ryan Day, are you really about to

1047
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: pump these people full of confidence this year? And I said,

1048
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: I'm glad you asked, because yes I am, Yes I am.

1049
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: I believe in Ohio State this year. I don't know

1050
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 1: what to tell you, but I've believed in them the

1051
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: last few years and they've lost. That's what you can

1052
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: tell me. But he said, that's okay. You believe in

1053
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: Ryan Day all you want to. It'll make it that

1054
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: much sweeter when a supposed inferior Michigan team beats them

1055
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:42,240
Speaker 1: again this November. How about that? How about we've gotten

1056
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: to the point how quickly things change. Just in thirty

1057
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: six months, things have changed from thinking woe is us,

1058
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: there's nothing we can do. Ohio State's a behemoth. We

1059
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: can't get over that hump too. It doesn't matter how

1060
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: much they're build up, it doesn't matter how much we're gutted.

1061
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,760
Speaker 1: It's just Michigan the brand is superior. Nowt to Ohio

1062
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: State the brand, and we'll we'll just get it done.

1063
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: We'll just figure it out. That's like when the Patriots

1064
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: had Tom Brady at their peak. You looked and you said, wow,

1065
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: Randy Moss is gone. Now while this guy and that

1066
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: guy's gone. The Patriot way will carry the day, and

1067
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 1: a lot of times it did the Michigan way.

1068
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 2: Michigan men will find a way, will they will they?

1069
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: Well, if you can beat Ohio State this year, it

1070
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 1: stands to reason you're probably on track to make the playoff.

1071
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: And if you do that, anything can happen.

1072
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 2: So hoopst is to say, really, we got a little

1073
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:38,879
Speaker 2: while to figure that out.

1074
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys for checking out the pod. Make

1075
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 1: sure you do me one favorite. You just need to subscribe.

1076
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,279
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