1 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: It's that time. Time, time, time, Luck and load. The 2 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: Michael Verie Show is on the air. 3 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 2: They got a name for people like you, Hi. That 4 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:22,959 Speaker 2: name is called recitdism repeat on Fender. Not a pretty name, 5 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 2: is it high? 6 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 3: No, sir, that's one bonehead name. But that ain't me anymore. 7 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 3: You're not just telling us what we want. 8 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 2: To hear, No, sir, no way, We just want to 9 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 2: hear the truth. 10 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 3: Well, then, I guess I am telling you what you going. 11 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 3: My friend Bucksteck Buck Sexton Stexton, my friend Buck Sexton 12 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 3: is our guest. He is one half of the Clay 13 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 3: and Buck team that air middays across the country. He 14 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 3: has written a book based on his CIA background called 15 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 3: Manufacturing Delusion, How the Left uses brainwashing in doctrination and 16 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 3: propaganda against you. I think having book authors is on 17 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 3: because I like to get different ideas out there. I 18 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 3: very rarely suggest by the book and read it. 19 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 2: You'll be the better for it. 20 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 3: I do that here because I found it to be 21 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 3: very interesting because Buck takes what is very dry CIA 22 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 3: training and mind control training that places like the CIA 23 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 3: use and applies it to what we're seeing every single day. 24 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 3: And I think it gives you some tools to recognize that. 25 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 3: I want to read a line from the book toward 26 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 3: the end. This was page two O seven, Identity Construction. 27 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 3: This is the identity construction chapter. As with forced phobia, brainwashing, 28 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 3: and other mind control tactics, we're going to rewind and 29 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 3: go back to those, because they're covered earlier in the book. 30 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 3: Cannot operate alone. Identity construction cannot operate alone. It depends 31 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 3: on some ready at hand ideology that tells people who 32 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 3: they are and what they should do. Mass delusion isn't 33 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 3: an empty force. It always has driving ideas, and those 34 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 3: ideas must be cultivated, spread and repeated until people get 35 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:08,519 Speaker 3: the point or can't hear anything else. To do that 36 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 3: requires an old form of information warfare that we are 37 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 3: bombarded with even here in the West every day, and 38 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 3: that is called propaganda. That was the lead into the 39 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 3: propaganda chapter. You know, I think, but for most of us, 40 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 3: we think of propaganda and Gebels or Goebels or however 41 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 3: you pronounce his name, within within Hitler's regime, and we 42 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 3: understand that, and we understand that they may Nazi films, 43 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 3: and we understand that they created their own language, and 44 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 3: we understand Orwell's nineteen eighty four, but how is that 45 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:38,679 Speaker 3: being used on us today? 46 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 4: So there's a huge spectrum, and in manufacturing delusion, I 47 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 4: get into this a huge spectrum of what psychiatrists psychologists 48 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 4: would call coercive mind control or you know, coercive conditioning 49 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 4: and behaviorism and so on the one. And this is 50 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 4: why I start Michael manufacturing delusion by looking at the 51 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 4: history of totalitarian regimes, notably Stalinist Russia, or Soviet Union, Maoist. 52 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 2: China, Nazi Germany. 53 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 4: I mean, those are the big ones, right, those are 54 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 4: ones that unfortunately caused all together tens really probably over 55 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 4: one hundred million dead and transformed all for the worst 56 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 4: the twentieth century, and hopefully we've run those lessons for 57 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 4: the twenty first. But those were efforts at and unfortunately 58 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 4: very successful ones at mass conditioning, mass menta side mass brainwashing, 59 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 4: and they were able to call upon tremendous force and 60 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 4: tremendous violence. 61 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 2: Now we are in a. 62 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 4: Situation where on a college campus, let's say they're not 63 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 4: telling you use the preferred pronouns, because if you don't, 64 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 4: we're going to beat you with truncheons into a bloody 65 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 4: mess in a cell and we're going to tell you 66 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 4: we're going to kill everyone in your family. And you know, obviously, 67 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 4: like I understand, there's a difference between the modern leftist 68 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 4: campus today in America and. 69 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 2: The Stalinist gulag and what the you the police are doing. 70 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 4: However, going back to some of the more specific tactics 71 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 4: under things like ment tocide, which is killing of the mind, 72 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 4: or brainwashing, which is more and I. 73 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 2: Get into that. By the way, even if someone doesn't even. 74 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 4: Care about my overall thesis that this has done to 75 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 4: us today, the history alone in the book is worth reading, 76 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 4: so you want so people will understand where does the 77 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 4: term brainwashing come from? 78 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 2: Who did the first brainwashing? Is the term we all use. Well, 79 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 2: if you. 80 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 4: Read the book Manufacturing Delusion, you will know you know 81 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 4: who was the first person to really have a systematized 82 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 4: secret police. 83 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 2: Oh it wasn't Hitler. 84 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 4: You go back to the sixteenth century, my friends, to 85 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 4: a fellow named Ivan, and you will find a precursor, 86 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 4: not just theoretically, the precursor to what Hitler and Stalin 87 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 4: recognized as the basis for the secret police that they 88 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 4: would constitute themselves hundreds of years before again, got to 89 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 4: get the book Manufacturing Delusion. 90 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 2: You will learn that. 91 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 4: So the history alone, I think is worth it. But 92 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 4: you're asking a key question, which I, by the way, 93 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 4: had to explain to my publisher in the early days. 94 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 4: This said, look, Buck, yeah, okay, there's crazy stuff going 95 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 4: on here, but we don't have gooug. I said, yes, 96 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 4: but we do have forced confession. Now, let's unpack that 97 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 4: for a second. This is one example. We do have 98 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 4: people who are made to go on the apology tour. 99 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 4: We're made to apologize for their whiteness, were made to 100 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 4: say that they're sorry for speaking the truth, even if 101 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 4: they know it's the truth, because if they don't, they'll 102 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 4: lose their job, they'll they'll be run out of the 103 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 4: public square, they'll suffer all of these consequences. And they 104 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 4: also had that in Malice China. By the way, they 105 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 4: also had that Installinus Russia. In fact, they had trials. 106 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 4: And this is a very important example, is why do 107 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 4: they want that confession? Because it breaks down the psychology 108 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 4: of the person. The false confession breaks down the psychology 109 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 4: of the person doing it. 110 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 2: But it's also a warning, Michael. 111 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 4: To everybody else, you see this person, we can undermine 112 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 4: them so much. We can break them down so much 113 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,799 Speaker 4: that they will tell us things that they know aren't true, 114 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 4: and they'll beg for their own destruction in the process. 115 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 4: There's a series of very famous trials. I get into 116 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 4: this in Manufacturing Delusion, which I'd still. 117 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 2: Hope everyone goes and gets a copy of. 118 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 4: It is a bestseller, but you guys can make it 119 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 4: a mega bestseller. Your audience is huge, Michael, you know it. 120 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 2: I know it. 121 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 4: If people listening to this, go get a copy, and 122 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 4: go get two copies, give one to your neighbor. He'll 123 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 4: love it as well, or she'll love it. But when 124 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 4: you get into the Stalinist show trials, which people are 125 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 4: kind of familiar with the termined, why would Stalin even 126 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 4: have show trials? He was having millions of people liquidated, 127 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 4: I mean, he was having people execute it, sent to 128 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 4: the gulaz. Why go through the show trial? Because it 129 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 4: was a show of how he could break people, how 130 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 4: he could make people who had been prominent by the 131 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 4: way Communists in many cases fought very vigorously for the 132 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 4: very Bolshevik cause that had you know that, Salin then 133 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 4: rose to the top of it, became the supreme dictator, 134 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 4: and they would say things that everyone knew. They would 135 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 4: say that, you know, I was involved in this sabotage 136 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 4: and I worked with you know, the English, and I 137 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 4: worked with the French against. 138 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 2: Our own people. All lies, all lies. 139 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 4: Could you imagine you're watching this and you know that 140 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 4: somebody is going to publicly lie about everything and then 141 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 4: beg to be executed at the end. That, my friends, 142 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 4: it's the original guest life is a powerful tool, yes, yes, 143 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 4: a powerful tool of mind control. 144 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 3: Buck, I'm gonna I'm going to read something that this 145 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 3: has turned into me reading your book back to you. 146 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 3: But but you mentioned mentocide, and I must admit I 147 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 3: did not know the concept. I had to look it 148 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 3: up when I was reading this chapter two of the book, 149 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 3: and ment to side translates as sort of killing the mind. 150 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 3: And that's a big part of this book as to 151 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 3: how that happens to you. And the chapter opens with 152 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 3: Buck talking about landing in Iraq and he says it 153 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 3: was only the second trip I'd ever taken in a helicopter, 154 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 3: and it evolved evasive maneuvers in live fire, and you're like, 155 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 3: you know everything. Brian Williams claimed Buck was actually living 156 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 3: and this is not for the faint of heart. But 157 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 3: he then begins to talk about a fellow named Yost 158 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 3: Merlu and I'll spell that for you m E E 159 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 3: R l Oo, and you to read a lot about 160 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 3: Yost Mirlu and his influence. He's a psychoanalyst who was Dutch. 161 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,679 Speaker 3: He was also a prisoner of war in the Second 162 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 3: World War. He's a prisoner by the Nazis. I'm going 163 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,239 Speaker 3: to come out of this. We'll take just a moment 164 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 3: and I'm going to read to you a segment of 165 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 3: the book. And I think you will understand why I 166 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 3: find this so fast. 167 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 2: We're going to be changing the name of the Gulf of. 168 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 4: Mexico to the Gulf of rich Michael Barry, which has 169 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 4: a beautiful way. 170 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 3: Our guest, he's my friend. He's a former CIA analyst, 171 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 3: which informs the book he's just written called Manufacturing Delusion, 172 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 3: How the Left uses brainwashing in doctrination and propaganda against you. 173 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 3: You've heard him on the Clay and Buck Show. He 174 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 3: is the He's the book of Clambach, the chapter two Menticide, 175 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 3: which he referenced earlier, the killing of the mind, and basically, 176 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 3: you're killing the mind, destroying it and replacing it with 177 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 3: that which they want you to have, sort of an 178 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 3: orwell in sense. So forgive me if y'all would, but 179 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 3: I'm going to read you a little piece of a book, 180 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 3: The Science of mind killing. That's the menta side he 181 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 3: talks about. The Soviets may have been mad, but there 182 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 3: was a method to their madness. In nineteen fifty six, 183 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 3: a few days after Stalin began experimenting with various forms 184 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 3: of torture to mentally break people. And remember what's going 185 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 3: on in fifty six, they're going into Romania and Hungary. 186 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 3: They're taking over these Eastern, these wonderfully historic Eastern European countries, 187 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 3: and they're going in there and just destroying those places. 188 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 3: In nineteen fifty six, a few decades after Stalin began 189 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 3: experimenting with various forms of torture to mentally break people, 190 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 3: the Dutch psychoanalyst Yost Mirlu explained how exactly the human 191 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 3: mind can be metaphorically speaking, murdered. He coined the term 192 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 3: menticide the killing of the mental mentacide to describe this 193 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 3: process of thought destruction that characterized what had happened to 194 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 3: the Moscow Show Trial defendants Girlieu, who himself was held 195 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 3: prisoner by the Nazis during the Second World War, described 196 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 3: menticide in his book The Rape of the Mind as 197 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 3: an extreme form of mind control, writing, menticide is an 198 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 3: old crime against the human mind and spirit, but systematized anew. 199 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:22,199 Speaker 3: It is an organized system of psychological intervention and judicial 200 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 3: perversion through which a powerful dictator can imprint his own 201 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 3: opportunist thoughts upon the minds of those he plans to 202 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 3: use and destroy. The terrorized victims finally find themselves compelled 203 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 3: to express complete conformity to the tyrants' wishes. Buck, this 204 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 3: is not a history book. This is a prescription for 205 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 3: how to live in America today. How are we suffering 206 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 3: under menticide or attempts at menticide today? 207 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 4: Well, it's because there are similar as I've discussed in 208 00:10:55,440 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 4: Manufacturing delusion, there are similar tactics that are used used. 209 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 4: Even though the mountains of force and the extreme violence 210 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 4: that say was central to the Stalinist and Nazi and 211 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 4: Maoist efforts of menticide, there are for example, mere Lou 212 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 4: breaks down menticide and he wrote there's a whole book 213 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 4: Rape of the Mind where he gets into this in detail, 214 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 4: and it's a fascinating book by the way that I'm 215 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,439 Speaker 4: hoping we'll kind of bring back. I'm hoping to bring 216 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 4: it back into the mainstream of my own book, Manufacturing Delusion. 217 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 4: But he talks about confusion and degradation. If you're looking 218 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:38,839 Speaker 4: at ways that your mind is to be controlled by 219 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 4: outside forces. They want to keep you in a constant 220 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 4: state of confusion, and they want to keep you in 221 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 4: a state of degradation, meaning that you don't trust yourself, 222 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,559 Speaker 4: you say things that you know our lies, you undermine 223 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 4: your own sense of reason. Now confusion, for example, confusion 224 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 4: can be side Remember this is all about your brain, 225 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 4: your perception, the way that your actual dual mind is 226 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 4: interpreting stimuli. Confusion can be created by locking you in 227 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 4: a dark cell somewhere and you don't know what time 228 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 4: it is and you have no sense of what day, 229 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 4: and they're waking you up in the middle of the night, 230 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 4: and you know this is something you'll see when they're 231 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 4: trying to break prisoners of war, for example. This is 232 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 4: something that people are subjected to. It's torture, of course, 233 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 4: but that can make you incredibly confused. You can also, though, 234 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 4: confuse people and deeply confuse the mind by asserting things 235 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:33,439 Speaker 4: from the authorities around you that are clearly untrue, asserting 236 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 4: that a man can become a woman, for example, menticide. 237 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 4: In that chapter, I deal with the whole trans madness, 238 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 4: particularly the last decade, where they look at you and 239 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 4: you know, if you're at the University of Pennsylvania or 240 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 4: you're at one of these institutions where they have an 241 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 4: NCAA swim meet, which I write about here, and you're like, 242 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 4: that's a six foot three guy, okay, with male genitalia 243 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 4: who's about to jump in the pool against all these women. 244 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 2: And they say you. 245 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 4: Have to refer to him as her, and you have 246 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 4: to say that he has or she has rather no 247 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 4: advantage biologically over those women. This is confusion and this 248 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 4: is degradation. You're confused, you're using the wrong pronoun, you're confused, 249 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 4: you're being told that you can't trust your eyes, and 250 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 4: you're degraded because your sense of self, your rational The thing, 251 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 4: the common sense Michael, that you that everyone listening, everyone 252 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 4: with us right now has is undermined by those in 253 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 4: authority in a in a clearly mechanistic way meant to 254 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 4: be rolled out precisely to break people to make them 255 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 4: believe things that are false, and to assert political dominance 256 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 4: and control over them. So this is you know, So 257 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 4: there's different stages. There's different ways. 258 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 2: To be confused, but confusion is a central tactic. 259 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 4: There's different ways to be psychologically degraded, but being degraded, 260 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 4: whether they're you are degraded and confused, if you are 261 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 4: a North Korean subject, if you are a cult member 262 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 4: here in some part of you know, Breakaway Oregon or something, 263 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 4: or if you are on a college campus, or you're 264 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 4: among a bunch of leftists who are demanding that you 265 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 4: use the preferred pronouns. And this is what you mentioned, 266 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 4: Jim Jones, manufacturing delusion. 267 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:11,599 Speaker 3: You mentioned Jim Josh and I thought, I thought, what 268 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 3: an interesting reference. I don't know if you know who 269 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 3: Alex Stein is, but he's a he's a comedian, and 270 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 3: the comedian he does some crazy stuff. And he was 271 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 3: speaking before some congressional body or some sort of legislative body, 272 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 3: and he was he says these things with a very 273 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 3: serious face, but sometimes they're absurd, and the absurdism is 274 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 3: what is where he makes his point. But he was saying, 275 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with men and women's sports 276 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 3: because I've made a lot of money because I always 277 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 3: bet on the men, because men never lose to women 278 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 3: and women's sports. And it's an interesting point, and sadly 279 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 3: it's kind of true. And when you think about the fact, 280 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 3: I think that a lot of people have really gained 281 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 3: some interest in this issue where I've seen it, because 282 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 3: I think a lot of men didn't give a damn 283 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 3: about womens sports. I certainly didn't. But where I see 284 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 3: it is dads who love their little girl and they 285 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 3: watch their little girl run herself into a ground, into 286 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 3: the ground to be a state champion. They watch their 287 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 3: little girl work herself silly to be a basketball player 288 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 3: or a weightlifter or whatever else. And she was going 289 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 3: to win it all. She was projected. She's been at 290 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 3: this all day for years, and some dude who's not 291 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 3: even that good at malesports steps in and can beat 292 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 3: her because the physical advantages. And these dads lose their 293 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 3: minds as they should, the same way they lose their 294 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 3: mind when a boy walks into a girl's room and says, oh, 295 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 3: but I'm a girl, I'm here to look at you, uncool. 296 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 3: I got a minute left in the sad take it away? 297 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 2: Sure, sure, just real quick. I mean yeah. 298 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 4: Not all of us are like our friend Jesse Kelly, who, 299 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 4: as I understand, follows women's beach volleyball very closely. 300 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 2: I don't know he's a top tier analyst of women's. 301 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 4: Beach volleyball, but I will say, I will say he 302 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 4: loves it more than he loves the WNBA. It did 303 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 4: the men and women's sports issue made it real to people. 304 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 4: And it's even more that I might I might have 305 00:15:57,640 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 4: been the gold medals than the who wins who loses. 306 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 4: There is real physical risk to these young women, of 307 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 4: these girls he as a result of this. They've been 308 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 4: hurt because of this. And every dad in this audience 309 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 4: knows a man hurting his baby girl. That's you want 310 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 4: to handle out in the old Texas. 311 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 3: Way, Yes, you do more. With our guest, Buck Sexton, 312 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 3: my good friend. He's one half of the Klay and 313 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 3: Buck duo mid Days across the country. His new book, 314 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 3: Manufacturing Delusion, How the Left uses brainwashing, indoctrination and Propaganda 315 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 3: against You uses his background as a CIA analyst with 316 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 3: the CIA and the New York Police Department Intelligence Unit. 317 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 3: But it's also really good storytelling for his fourth and 318 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 3: final segment is the inimitable Buck Sexton. The book is 319 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 3: called Manufacturing Delusion. It is climbing up the New York 320 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 3: Times bestseller list. It's probably number one by today. I 321 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 3: think it was number four earlier in the week. It 322 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 3: just hit. He is one half of the Klay and 323 00:16:55,240 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 3: Buck duo week days across the country. Manufacturing Delusion and 324 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 3: how the Left uses brainwashing, indoctrination and propaganda against you. Buck, 325 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 3: as weird as this is, if I may read you 326 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 3: another segment of your book to you, I thought this 327 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 3: was really good, The science of mind control. The Soviet leadership, 328 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 3: first under Lenin and Stalin, desperately wanted to create the 329 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 3: perception that their workers paradise was rooted in science. Here 330 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 3: we go, trust the science. To bolster the narrative of 331 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 3: the Soviet Union as a science based utopia. They leveraged 332 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 3: the reputation of their most famous scientist. That scientist was 333 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 3: Ivan Pavlov. Doctor Ivan Pavlov was a known quantity in 334 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 3: his field long before the rise of Soviet totalitarianism. In 335 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 3: nineteen oh four, he received a Nobel Prize in recognition 336 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 3: of his work on the physiology of digestion, and everyone 337 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,360 Speaker 3: knows the stimulus and response and the dog and the bell. 338 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 3: Why is Pavlov useful to us in the science of 339 00:17:55,560 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 3: mind control? Because his work was on daw How does 340 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 3: this relate to us? 341 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 4: You know, Pavlov is a fascinating character. And actually in 342 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 4: my research for this book, I corresponded with a professor 343 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 4: Totis of University of John Hopkins University. 344 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 3: I'm going to have to take a moment and go 345 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 3: across the glass and punch Ramon in the head. Do 346 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 3: you know what he just said? Well, Pavlov, his name 347 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 3: rings a bell. And the worst part is I thought 348 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 3: that was hilarious. All right, start this and it's over, 349 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,959 Speaker 3: so uh never mind, Yeah, no, I like it. 350 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 2: I like it. 351 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 4: Well, it actually turns out Pavlov didn't use a bell. 352 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 4: He used a buzzer or a metronome. So there's a 353 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 4: lot in the research of this book that I thought 354 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 4: was really worth people just sort of knowing about things 355 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 4: they think they know that I ain't, so one of 356 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 4: them that got caught from the book. 357 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 2: And I was doing a psychological I. 358 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 4: Was doing research into behaviorism to one which is really 359 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 4: a school of psychology that pablov In Essences is well 360 00:18:57,960 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 4: among the founders of their skinner. 361 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 2: I mean, there's there's others. 362 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 4: But the point is we always hear about lemmings committing suicide. 363 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 4: I'm gonna blow everyone's mind right now. 364 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 2: Guess what. 365 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 4: Lemmings don't commit suicide, everybody on mass That is a 366 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 4: total urban legend, lie, made up. It comes from a 367 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 4: Disney documentary. 368 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 2: You can look this up. It was they were basically 369 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 2: shoveling these little mole. 370 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 4: Like creatures off the side of a cliff to tell 371 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:30,360 Speaker 4: a story, and the whole Vegas fake. They do not 372 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 4: commit mass suicide, which. 373 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 3: Would as an example of what people shouldn't do is 374 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 3: be like Lemmings going off the cliff for a bad idea. 375 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 4: I know it's that this is when the legend is 376 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 4: better than the you know, the legend is better than 377 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 4: the truth, so you print the legend. 378 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 2: So so Lemmings Leomens going. 379 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 4: Off a cliff is completely completely made up, total lie. 380 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 2: But it's one of the things that people think. 381 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 4: It's psychology, oh mass psychology, like lemmings. Well, actually, animals 382 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 4: aren't so dumb that they will run off the cliff. 383 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 4: And this is what came up in my research. But 384 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 4: human beings will go crazy and start lighting women on 385 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 4: fire by the thousands, uh in Germany during the you know, 386 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 4: witch hunt craze, which was far bigger and worse than 387 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 4: what we saw here in the Massisteria over which is 388 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 4: in Europe in the in the sort of renaissance you know, 389 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 4: medieval and Renaissance period. So so we do crazier stuff 390 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 4: than any animals do. But back to the dogs and 391 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 4: back to Pavlov. So Pavlov is fascinating. He is a 392 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 4: critical scientist because what he did was begin our understanding 393 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 4: of the brain and the body connection. That your brain 394 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:39,640 Speaker 4: processes in your body has physiological reaction to it. Right, 395 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 4: it's not just oh I think these things. You know, 396 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 4: I feel sad, so maybe my tummy hertz. It's no, 397 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 4: you think food is coming. Well, if you're a dog, 398 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 4: you think food is coming until you salibate. You know, 399 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 4: you hear certain things, you have certain response to stimuli, 400 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 4: and you can condition, meaning repeat under certain certain variables 401 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 4: that you control for behavior over time that you will replicate. Right, 402 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 4: this is the whole buzzer dog salvation thing. But it 403 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 4: was even more important for the science of mind control. 404 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 4: And what the Soviets, who of course completely penetrated Pavlov's lab, 405 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 4: had spies, was monitoring the whole thing. There was in 406 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 4: nineteen twenty four it was called Leningrad. They changed the 407 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 4: name of the city with Saint Petersburg. It was Leningrad. 408 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 4: I think it was Petrograd for a while anything it 409 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 4: was Saint Petersburg. Nineteen twenty four. The river overflows, the 410 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 4: main river for the city, the Neva River overflows, and 411 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 4: the dogs in the lab, Michael realize they don't have 412 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 4: much time left. This water is rising, and these animals 413 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 4: understand we are facing a grizzly en. All the dogs realize, 414 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 4: and I'm a huge dog person, so I get like, 415 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 4: I get stretched out, just recounting the story. All the 416 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 4: dogs realize they're going to drown. This is horrible because 417 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 4: the water's rising, rising, rising and rising. The staff in 418 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 4: Pavlov's lab breaks in at the last minute. You know, 419 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 4: they're up to their chests and water. They're able to 420 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 4: take the dogs, submerge them, and you know they to 421 00:21:58,359 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 4: get them out of the cages. They had to pull 422 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 4: them down, pull them out, and swim them. 423 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 2: Out of the lab. 424 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 4: Right, And here's the fact now all the dogs survived. 425 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 4: Now a single dog drowned, so happy ending in that respect. 426 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 4: Here's the fascinating thing have of dogs, some with years 427 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 4: of conditioning, after this highly traumatic event of over the 428 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 4: course of a few hours thinking and then knowing that 429 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 4: they're going to die. 430 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,719 Speaker 2: The conditioning is gone. It's wiped away. 431 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 4: And in fact, some of the dogs not only had 432 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:32,360 Speaker 4: their conditioning wipe away, they had major changes in behavior. 433 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 4: They went from being docile to being aggressive, aggressive to docile. 434 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 4: They changed which members of the staff they liked or 435 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 4: which members of the staff they recognized. 436 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 3: How does that happen? What causes that? 437 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:43,479 Speaker 2: Ah? 438 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 4: But that, my friend, is the endless question. That is 439 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:52,439 Speaker 4: the basis the beginning of the science of understanding truly 440 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 4: the brain that is a traumatic response so powerful that 441 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 4: when it was working its way through the synapses and 442 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 4: when they bio chemistry and the electrical impulses of our brain, 443 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 4: which is still far beyond science is understanding in terms 444 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 4: of its complexity. As that trauma was unleashed on these 445 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 4: little dog brains, it changed the way those brains functioned 446 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 4: in lasting ways. 447 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 2: And we just we're beginning to. 448 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 4: Understand and try to understand more about how this functions 449 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 4: in human brains. But you can imagine that if you're 450 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 4: trying to create a society not of men but of robots, 451 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 4: which is a line from Mirlu, if you're trying to 452 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 4: create a society of automatons, all of a sudden, there's 453 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 4: this recognition. And in Manufacturing Delusion my book, I walk 454 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 4: you through all of this, the totalitarians of the twentieth 455 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 4: century realized, Oh, with enough trauma, with enough fear, with 456 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 4: enough of forst phobias, the actual term of art we 457 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 4: use in the book. With enough of this, we can 458 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 4: change brains, We can change thought processes, We can make 459 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,360 Speaker 4: people believe what we want them to. Now, there's where 460 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 4: it gets even more complicated. Some of the dogs didn't 461 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,360 Speaker 4: have this. People always ask me, well, what's the upside 462 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 4: of this, or how do we It's every individual is unique, 463 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:14,719 Speaker 4: everyone's makeup, everyone's ability to identify and withstand these techniques 464 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:19,919 Speaker 4: is variable, right, and it's something that we all have 465 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 4: to hold onto because the only way to protect yourself 466 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 4: from this brainwashing is really as an individual, you have 467 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 4: to recognize these tactics. You have to understand what it 468 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 4: is that's going on, you've been reading from my book. 469 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 4: I actually have The Rape of the Mind, which is 470 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 4: a fantastic book. I might add Manufacturing Delusion, which I 471 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 4: hope everybody gets. I have the Rape of the Mind 472 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 4: in front of me. And Mirlu felt very strongly that 473 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 4: this was not just something that dewitnessed debriefing as part 474 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 4: of the Dutch army and exile in the UK, which 475 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 4: is also a part of his story. It's not just 476 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 4: something he witnessed and understood as happening in Notax and Germany. 477 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 2: But the beginnings of this could be. 478 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 4: And were already infiltrating the Red of the West. 479 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 3: And so can you hold it? Can you hold in 480 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 3: for just a moment? I know I told you I'd 481 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,239 Speaker 3: only keep you from harm, but hey, can I keep 482 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:11,919 Speaker 3: you one more segment? 483 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 4: There was one other area of the bument to get 484 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 4: anything for this dar when the orders, I answer. 485 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 2: Yes, love. 486 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 5: A recession is when your neighbor loses his job. A 487 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:26,919 Speaker 5: depression is when you lose yours, Fackelberry, and recovery is 488 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 5: when Jimmy Carter loses. 489 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 3: His All right, I want to expecting to do this, 490 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 3: I asked buck Sexton for an hour and He's given 491 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 3: me more than that because I didn't get to the 492 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 3: last thing that I flagged in my book that I 493 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 3: wanted to get to. Buck Sexton as our guest. He's 494 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 3: one half of Clay and Buck mid Days across the country. 495 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 3: The book is called Manufacturing Delusion, How the Left uses brainwashing, 496 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 3: indoctrination and propaganda against you. It calls on his past 497 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 3: as a CIA analyst, but then he plugs that training 498 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 3: and experience as a CIA analyst all over the world, 499 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 3: really working for the CIA and the NYPD Intelligence Division. 500 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 3: But he couples that or applies it using the lens 501 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 3: of modern American politics, culture, and media. And I wanted 502 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,360 Speaker 3: to get to something, and this is why I asked 503 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 3: him to stay. I'm going to read you that I 504 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 3: think this is probably yes from the conclusion, and I've 505 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 3: marked over a couple of words that I may not 506 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 3: be able to read because I mark all over books. 507 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 3: But anyway, it's called the cult of passivity, because at 508 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 3: the end of the day, folks, this is not just 509 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:41,959 Speaker 3: a historical study of psychoanalysts from Freud to Mirlu and beyond. 510 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,679 Speaker 3: This is about how we learn from this, and this 511 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:49,400 Speaker 3: was important. The cult of passivity. The second and more 512 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 3: likely pathway to totalit totalitarian level mind control for America 513 00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 3: is more incrementalists happening little by little, Merlu. That's what 514 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 3: we talked about earlier. Yaust Mirlu, the Dutch psychoanalyst who 515 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 3: was held by the Nazis, sounded the alarm bells almost 516 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 3: seventy years ago that hour and this is us, folks, 517 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:16,719 Speaker 3: this is our society. Our soft handed, sweets addicted society 518 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 3: was at risk for mind control. And that was when 519 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 3: America was much less defined by abundance and convenience. Dumb fatten, 520 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 3: what was it fat? Dumb? And what is it? 521 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:31,479 Speaker 2: Stupid? 522 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 3: Is no way to go through life. Zone quote Silence, 523 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 3: lonely relaxation with alcohol, sweets, the television screen, or a 524 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,679 Speaker 3: murder mystery may soothe the mind into a passivity that 525 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,919 Speaker 3: may gradually make it vulnerable to the seductive ideology of 526 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 3: some feared enemy. Merlu wrote, he called this approach to 527 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 3: life the cult of passivity. And then he goes and 528 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 3: then Buck goes on to write, today it's not murder 529 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 3: mysteries but the lazy, mind numbing routines of endless uber eats, 530 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 3: oreos and online streaming that leave an opening for mind control. Folks. 531 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 3: How many times do you see somebody who shoots up 532 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,719 Speaker 3: a school who got convinced that Trump is the devil 533 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 3: and other people must be killed. And that person was 534 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 3: living online and they became fat and crazy online having 535 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 3: food delivered to them. This, I got to tell you, 536 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 3: this part kind of depressed me about the book. 537 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 2: Book. It really did. 538 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 5: Well. 539 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 2: It's meant to. 540 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 4: So that's the good news is that part is meant 541 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 4: to be depressing because I think that what we saw 542 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 4: during COVID, for example, was a perfect example of mir 543 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 4: Lou's cult of passivity. If people didn't have more electronic 544 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 4: entertainment at their disposal than at any time in human history, 545 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 4: if they didn't have super comfortable couches and beds, air 546 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 4: conditioning and heated homes, you know, constant texting and video 547 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 4: chats with friends, and food delivered the push of a button, 548 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 4: the most delicious, hyper palatable food. And do you think 549 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 4: that lockdowns and all that would itself a little different. 550 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,479 Speaker 4: You know, imagine if we had lockdowns but you were 551 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 4: like more Soviet style lockdown and some cinder block, you know, 552 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 4: how whole that was freezing with no TV, maybe just 553 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 4: some old books and some candles to light them by. 554 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 2: People would have. 555 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 4: I think lasted a whole lot less long with that madness. 556 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 4: And I do think that as we enter a society, 557 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 4: or more of a society of hyperabundance increasingly, what becomes 558 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 4: the doorway to the control of people is I there's 559 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 4: a line by souls and needs, and I quote souls 560 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 4: and neats in a lot in the book, Lived Not 561 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,719 Speaker 4: by Lies is one of the most important exhortations of 562 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 4: any human being, I think in the twentieth century, lived 563 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 4: not by lives. It's just people should have that just 564 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 4: just seered into their brains. 565 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 2: Everyone should live not by lives. 566 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 4: But he also says, and I think this is in 567 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 4: a speech they actually gave at Harvard University, he said 568 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 4: that to so many people, as long as they're safe 569 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 4: and warm and fed, it's all the same to them, 570 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 4: and that totalitarians love that as long as you are 571 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 4: in a place where my basic needs are. 572 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 2: Met, I don't need anything more. I don't need freedom. 573 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 4: And you start to see a bit of this, by 574 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 4: the way, or a lot of us actually in China, 575 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 4: and I pointed China in the book to remind everybody 576 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 4: that we're the biggest most powerful country in the world. 577 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 4: Not the biggest by population, but the biggest. 578 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 2: In terms of wealth and military. 579 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 4: Number two is a totalitarian dictatorship. It's reuly a totalitarian 580 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 4: mafia state. So my warning about how this can happen 581 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 4: in the world isn't just some theoretical Our biggest adversary 582 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 4: has already fallen into the grips of this madness, which 583 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 4: is communist China, which I know is not traditionally Marxist 584 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 4: commune this, but it does function as a totalitarian, thought 585 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 4: controlled dictatorship. But one of the big things that they 586 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 4: offer people is you will get richer here. The middle 587 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 4: class has been created in China. Shut up, don't talk, 588 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 4: you know, don't knock out of line. 589 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 2: You're going to end up, you know, in. 590 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 4: Some hole for the rest of your life or maybe 591 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 4: not even a very long life. But they've created the 592 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 4: conditions of economic prosperity. Same thing I might add in 593 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 4: post Soviet Russia, they've created a middle. 594 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 2: Class where not existed before. 595 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 4: And so a lot of people say, Okay, maybe I 596 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 4: don't have freedom, but I have food on the table. Okay, 597 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 4: maybe I can't speak out about politics. But my apartment 598 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 4: is warm in the winter, and that's something to be 599 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 4: very because totalitarians, people who want to control your mind, 600 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 4: also understand that material conditions around you can be very powerful, 601 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 4: and that if the people feel safe and warm and fed, 602 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 4: maybe it will all be the same to them. 603 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 2: So that is the cult of passivity. 604 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 4: We certainly suffered from that Michael during COVID and in 605 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 4: Manufacturing Delusion, I walk people through why Mirlu was warning 606 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 4: us about this stuff. 607 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 2: That's why he wrote the book. That was his research. 608 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 4: That was it wasn't hey, guys, be careful. Nazis could 609 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 4: take over somewhere else one day. It's hey, guys, people 610 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 4: who mean you harm and want to take away your 611 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 4: freedom have these tools to control your mind, even in 612 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 4: a liberal democracy, even in a place with a free 613 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 4: theoretical free press. And that's why I want everyone to 614 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 4: get Manufacturing delusion, because it is happening here. 615 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 2: It's just a question of degree. 616 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 3: You talk about the suckor of you know, uber eats 617 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 3: foods and and fat and drink and you know, feast. 618 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 3: But you know, it's interesting because Maslow's Maslow's hierarchy of 619 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 3: needs has safety first, and that may be true of 620 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 3: the animals, but honestly, I think for most Americans, it's 621 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 3: not safety, it's comfort and convenience. And I'm reminded of 622 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 3: the line by Ben Franklin. I looked at the point 623 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 3: you were talking, just to confirm I get it right. 624 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 3: Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a 625 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 3: little safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. I think of 626 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 3: the people who sat for the COVID vaccine and then 627 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 3: once they had it, said if you don't get it, 628 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 3: you should be fired. But what people will give up 629 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 3: for the perception of safety and then the enjoyment of 630 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 3: luxury and convenience is frightening to me. It's absolutely frightening. 631 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 3: This book is wonderful. I have to tell you, Clay, 632 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 3: I mean Clay, but I am out of time. Clay 633 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 3: Travis and Buck Sexton Weekdays. The book is called Manufacturing Delusion, 634 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 3: How the Left uses brainwashing, indoctrination and propaganda against you. 635 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 3: I very rarely recommend someone read a book. I just 636 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 3: want to share with you what the author has to say. 637 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 3: This is a wonderful, wonderful read. I encourage you you will. 638 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 3: It's depressing, but it's empowered as well. 639 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 4: Thank you, Buck, Thank you my friend Exelman 640 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 3: Elvis has left for King, Thank you and good night.