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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are

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Speaker 1: you a Charlotte?

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Speaker 2: Hello everybody. Today we are going.

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Speaker 1: To rewatch episode one oh six is called Secret Sex,

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Speaker 1: and I have the incredible Christine Taylor joining me. She

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Speaker 1: is an actress and you may know her as Marsha

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Speaker 1: in The Craft or The Wedding Singer, Zoolander, Dodgeball, Arrested Development,

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Speaker 1: and most recently, the Apple TV series High Desert. She

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Speaker 1: also had a memorable guest appearance on Curbew Enthusiasm and

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Speaker 1: Friends and Seinfeld Like Myself. She and her husband Ben

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Speaker 1: Stiller are the parents of two amazing young adults, Ella

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Speaker 1: and Quinn, and she co hosts with David Lasher her

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Speaker 1: own podcast called Hey Dude. The nineties called Love Her

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Speaker 1: So Much.

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Speaker 2: Here's Christine.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Hey, how are you so good? Thank you for

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Speaker 3: having me?

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you for doing this?

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Speaker 1: Are you kidding? You're so perfect? I can't wait to

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Speaker 1: hear your thoughts.

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Speaker 3: So excited.

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Speaker 2: Thank you? All right? Can I just start off?

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Speaker 1: I love to ask people like when did you start

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Speaker 1: watching the show? What were your memories of like the

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Speaker 1: beginning of the show. Obviously we've both been around a

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Speaker 1: long time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And I was living in la at the time,

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Speaker 3: and I don't It's funny because I started listening to

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Speaker 3: the podcast, I like picked a few episodes of which

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Speaker 3: now I'm going to go back and listen all the

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Speaker 3: way through because now I'm slightly obsessed, and restarted the show.

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Speaker 3: But I, like everybody else, like I did not audition

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Speaker 3: for it. I was living in La.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 3: I heard you tell the story of the part you

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Speaker 3: played on melrose Place, and I remember auditioning for that part.

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Speaker 2: No way you audition from brook Oh.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I know, like I sort of like that's

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Speaker 3: my like claim to fame is that I feel like

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Speaker 3: I auditioned for every Aaron Spelling show and never got cast,

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry. It was an experience. It was an experience.

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Speaker 2: It worked out, it worked out fine, but it was.

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Speaker 3: Those were those coveted jobs like they wore the nineties

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Speaker 3: and they were whatever, like they were those I just

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Speaker 3: remember those casting calls. But Sex and the City I

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Speaker 3: time when it came out and just remember thinking, like,

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Speaker 3: never having lived in New York before either, thinking like

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Speaker 3: yet I always related to Charlotte, like I felt, I mean,

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Speaker 2: Be Okay, Okay, I'll ask at the end. But I

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Speaker 2: love that. Always loved to hear that.

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Speaker 3: I was just a fan. I just watched the show

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Speaker 3: good time and had not gone back to watch it.

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Speaker 3: I've not been caught up two and just like that,

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Speaker 3: I haven't watched both of the movies, but I.

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Speaker 2: Watched the entire Girl You're gonna have to I don't

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Speaker 2: even know if we should get into this now.

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Speaker 1: But Christine's daughter, Ella, who's so incredible just as a person. Congratulations,

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Speaker 1: you have raised an incredible human, but also so incredibly talented.

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Speaker 2: She is going to be on and just like that

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Speaker 3: Was such a joy, dream, it was dream. It was

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Speaker 3: so great, just the greatest days working with you and

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you, we're in the scene together where

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Speaker 1: don't want to give anything away, but we really had fun,

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Speaker 1: and I mean, she's just so funny and interesting. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I'm off on Ella, But isn't.

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Speaker 2: It weird that you have a grown up like you've

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Speaker 3: It's crazy, Like it's really crazy. And I also feel

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Speaker 3: what I mean? Like you, she grew up in a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's different times, right.

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Speaker 1: I Mean, that's also interesting about rewatching the show because

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Speaker 1: and we all come over to give her moral support.

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Speaker 2: It's almost like we're in college, like, even though at

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Speaker 1: Remember being so excited about, other than the fact that

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Speaker 2: When you went to audition, you would just say whatever

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Speaker 3: Part was, yeah, And that was a time where they

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Speaker 1: AMDB would like just say your age, like you had

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Speaker 1: So for me, I was like, oh, thank god, I

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Speaker 1: But we were, like, you know, shockingly in our thirties.

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Speaker 2: Right, Oh my gosh, the rules kill me.

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Speaker 1: The rules are so funny, and I think it's so interesting,

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Speaker 1: like it would be really fun one day to have

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Speaker 1: over Samantha, Miranda and Samantha come over for emotional support

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Speaker 3: You first of all, your reaction just when she walks in.

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Speaker 3: And I watched the episode twice because I watched it

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Speaker 2: To a heavy yes, I understand, yes.

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Speaker 3: I you're so. I was just taking it all in

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Speaker 2: Can't have sex with them tonight. Do not have sex

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Speaker 2: Like why, but whatever, that's a different conversation.

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Speaker 1: So I say, because the number of dates that you

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Speaker 3: I was trying to figure out what that even means.

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Speaker 1: And also like does it get smaller as you get

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Speaker 3: I love that no, and I love that they just

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Speaker 1: They're just like whatever a girl, whatever, you know, which

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Speaker 1: is what they often do to me. But then even

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Speaker 1: Miranda says, don't have sex on the first date.

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Speaker 2: I believe she says don't work on the first date.

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Speaker 1: Then Amanvas says, and very very smart, she says, you

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Speaker 2: And this is a good point, a good point, Samantha.

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Speaker 1: So my curiosity in now that there's been dating apps

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Speaker 3: I you know, it's so funny. I would love to.

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Speaker 3: I you know, listen, I have a kid who tells

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Speaker 1: and women are on different planets, you know what I'm saying, right,

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00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:50,560
Speaker 1: And especially.

441
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,199
Speaker 3: Left the apartment after talking to as soon as she

442
00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:57,120
Speaker 3: leaves after she talks to you all. It's I can't remember.

443
00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,320
Speaker 3: And I watched it twice because I know you talked

444
00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,040
Speaker 3: about it too. No memory of the breaking the fourth

445
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:05,440
Speaker 3: wall talking to the camera.

446
00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:07,000
Speaker 2: Oh, it's hysterical.

447
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:08,560
Speaker 3: It's very inconsistent.

448
00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,679
Speaker 1: It's inconsistent because sar Jessica did not enjoy it that well.

449
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,280
Speaker 3: It's funny because it almost felt like it was in

450
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,200
Speaker 3: the pilot and then it went away, and then it

451
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:22,359
Speaker 3: reappeared in like episode four or five, where it's true

452
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 3: suddenly it was she was doing a lot of it,

453
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,919
Speaker 3: but I know, and there's still narrations, so it's almost

454
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:29,040
Speaker 3: like why.

455
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 1: There's a narration and then there's also the people on

456
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,720
Speaker 1: the street talking to the camera, right. I feel like

457
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:39,960
Speaker 1: that was a very important idea in the beginning to

458
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 1: Darren and we have to ask Darin. But that made

459
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:48,200
Speaker 1: it seem more like these universal questions, right, like, let's

460
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,680
Speaker 1: let's talk to all these New Yorkers about these I think, just.

461
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 3: Find a random you know, person a BCD and get

462
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 3: there exactly right. But it's that thing that you like,

463
00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:58,679
Speaker 3: if you're going to do that, then you commit. And

464
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:02,680
Speaker 3: obviously in the first season of a show, you're figuring

465
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 3: it out, like is this well?

466
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,120
Speaker 1: And thank goodness they let us, you know, they really

467
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 1: gave us so much space and room to figure it

468
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,919
Speaker 1: out because back then, and this was unusual. Back then,

469
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 1: we filmed the whole thing before it was on the air,

470
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,680
Speaker 1: which back then that wasn't how things were. But now

471
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 1: with streaming, that is how things are. It's super interesting

472
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,920
Speaker 1: to me. Okay, So Carrie goes off and she has

473
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,920
Speaker 1: sex with Big as we know, and after he kind

474
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,199
Speaker 1: of this is her dress or what?

475
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:29,440
Speaker 2: I don't know what he's doing there.

476
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 1: We'd have to read his mind somehow, which obviously is

477
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:36,920
Speaker 1: impossible to do. Now we've got Miranda and Skipper, which

478
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,920
Speaker 1: is pretty funny. He disappears, he just disappears, and there's

479
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:42,440
Speaker 1: a new guy for her.

480
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 2: Then she meets at the gym.

481
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 3: It's so funny. But then Skipper comes back.

482
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 1: He does come back, which surprised me. I don't remember this,

483
00:22:51,880 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? They're not all very interesting. Now,

484
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: this whole storyline with Miranda, Wow, I mean it's pretty interesting.

485
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 2: So she's going out with this guy. He looks so vanilla,

486
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:13,959
Speaker 2: you know, really really normal.

487
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: Yes, really just like any dude in New York to me,

488
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:19,439
Speaker 1: I mean, that's my opinion.

489
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's right.

490
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:25,159
Speaker 1: But then his name is Ted Baker, which also like,

491
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: isn't that a shoe brander of clothes brando shit Faker?

492
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 3: And then her and then Carrie's friend's name is something

493
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 3: else that's also a kind of.

494
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,159
Speaker 1: Vanilla, is right, I mean really like they're just like

495
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 1: trying to be every man type situation. And also Carrie

496
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 1: has so many friends, like she's best friends with Giver,

497
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:41,719
Speaker 1: which is odd.

498
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:46,119
Speaker 3: I was like, why is Stanford not why is it

499
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 3: this new guy in this episode? But exactly, he's in

500
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 3: one figuring things out.

501
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 1: Right, No, I know, And then and then he goes,

502
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,679
Speaker 1: thank goodness, we have much more standy coming up.

503
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 2: Thank goodness. I mean, no offense to that actor.

504
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 1: He was fine, no, no, But I think so it's

505
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 1: like a vehicle to tell these other stories.

506
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 2: I think, sure, you know.

507
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:08,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So Skipper has disappeared strangely with no story,

508
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 1: which is interesting. We find out the next episode something

509
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 1: and then we've got this new dude, Ted Baker.

510
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 2: And a kiss on the street is kind of adorable.

511
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 2: He's going to call her.

512
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,679
Speaker 1: I mean, sometimes when I look at this, it just

513
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 1: makes me so nostalgic for old New York. Not that

514
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 1: it's not still wonderful, but like old New York was,

515
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 1: oh good.

516
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 3: And that really is how you would meet people like

517
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 3: I mean that you would be at the gym or

518
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,439
Speaker 3: at a bar or wherever you would be be out

519
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,919
Speaker 3: and some interaction and it wasn't the apps, and it

520
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 3: wasn't any of those things that real life feels social

521
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 3: situations being in person and there's either a spark or

522
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:55,360
Speaker 3: not or an attraction for Nathan, and that is you know, Miranda.

523
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 3: That made us laugh out loud too of like, you know,

524
00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 3: I was like, what's the setup going to be? And

525
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 3: then she kicks this in the face at the and

526
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 3: it's like so cute. At gym class, which I thought

527
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 3: was Jimmy class, it was like a boxing gym. It

528
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,719
Speaker 3: wasn't at her during her workout. It was at gym class,

529
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 3: which made.

530
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: Gym class like we're in grade school. It's so incredibly cute.

531
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: And also I remember this was you know, there's like

532
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 1: different phases of workout trends. I remember this phase. And

533
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 1: I did go to a boxing class in LA where

534
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 1: everybody was just randomly kicking, like at hanging bags and

535
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: like everyone got kicked. I think, you know, I did

536
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,919
Speaker 1: not date anyone from there, but I did go and

537
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 1: I did wear other people's boxing gloves, which is kind

538
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 1: of gross.

539
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 3: It's so gross, right, I know.

540
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was nine very different, Yeah, different time.

541
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: So the kiss on the street, which for me is

542
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: so nostalgic and beautiful. I just love the kissing on

543
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: the street of you know, basic strangers.

544
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 2: It's interesting to think about. It's very it seems very

545
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 2: nostalgic to me.

546
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 1: And then I don't know if I should jump ahead,

547
00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: because I just love what happens with the storyline. And

548
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: part the reason I love what happens with the storyline

549
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 1: is that this guy I think plays it so well.

550
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: I can't remember the actor's name right now. I don't

551
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 1: I haven't written somewhere. But he's so kind of lovely

552
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: and regular, right.

553
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 3: And saying how much he missed her while he was

554
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:14,360
Speaker 3: at work today.

555
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 2: Right, it's so sweet. It's so sweet. And he says,

556
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 2: stay in my apartment.

557
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: I'm just going to cut to the whole storyline because

558
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 1: I think it's very interesting. He says, stay in my apartment,

559
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: and she's like, okay. The second he leaves, Miranda jumps

560
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: up and starts going through his things, which I was

561
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: a little surprised.

562
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 3: But I would one hundred percent have done that.

563
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 1: Really, I definitely did that in my twenties. I want

564
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 1: to say, million percent, would you okay, would you immediately

565
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: I mean.

566
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 3: You know, making sure enough time had passed that he

567
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 3: was really gone, I'm back in, but for sure going

568
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 3: through Wow to gather information.

569
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 2: Right, I guess.

570
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: So, I mean now we can look at people's Instagram

571
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: and whatnot.

572
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 3: That's true. We didn't have that back then.

573
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: We did it, we needed information, Oh my god.

574
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

575
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: Right, So she finds a porn magazine about spanking, and

576
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 1: she's kind of like a little miffed, which is also

577
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 1: kind of funny because she's Miranda.

578
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and that banking.

579
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:21,479
Speaker 1: Kind of seems pretty benign to today's today's world.

580
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 2: I feel like, don't do absolutely.

581
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

582
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, she has to go and talk to carry about it.

583
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 2: She takes the magazine, doesn't.

584
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 3: She Well, it's a video, and she's, oh my god,

585
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 3: I think in the drawer there's like it's like it

586
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 3: must be a porn it's.

587
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 2: A spanking drawer. It's a drawer of spanking things. Yes,

588
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 2: and she outs out.

589
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 3: The video and the next scene she's playing the video for.

590
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 1: Carrie right right, right, And this is very reminiscent, like

591
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: so Carrie's already had to watch the modelizer having sex

592
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: secretly filming the models, yes, and then has to have

593
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: a cigarette nag like it's fine now, We've got Miranda

594
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: with this spanking video. Soon we're gonna have all of

595
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: us watching the people in the window. Do you remember

596
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: this when we like turn our heads sideways because we're

597
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: watching people have sex, which we hired two porn actors

598
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,719
Speaker 1: for side note, yes, which I remember. We were like

599
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: semi traumatized about it, though, you know, more power to them, right.

600
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: But it is a kind of a theme in the beginning.

601
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,439
Speaker 1: I guess it makes sense because Carrie is trying to,

602
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 1: you know, investigate relationships and sex and.

603
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 2: What do people like? What do people do? So this poor.

604
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: Guy likes spanking and Miranda is very torn about it.

605
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 2: What do I do?

606
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 1: What do I do about it? And then later on

607
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna jump to the best part. I think

608
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: later on she brings it up kind of casually on

609
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: the street.

610
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 2: I might add and that I would never do. No,

611
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 2: She's just like, but it's so Miranda, right.

612
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, Yeah, because she's so she's kind of a

613
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: bull in a china shop in many ways, you know

614
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: what I mean.

615
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 2: Like she'll just say stuff like lah, you know, it's

616
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 2: kind of like that. Though I did think she tried

617
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 2: to kind of be sexy about one.

618
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 3: And also because I think Carrie also says to her

619
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 3: like you can't know until you try it kind of

620
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 3: and then she's not choking, but like the seed got

621
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 3: planted of like yeah maybe this, maybe this could be.

622
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: Fun, right right, totally, But this poor guy is just

623
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: so mortified, and the actor plays it so sweetly, like

624
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: if you found out that he was a serial killer

625
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: or something like he looks just so embarrassed.

626
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 3: And defeated and defeated and sad my secret, Yeah, so sad.

627
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 2: And then she never hears from him again ever.

628
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 3: Doesn't return and that's like in the narration, it's like

629
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 3: he never returned her calls. They didn't go home that night.

630
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 2: Like it's just so sad. It's so sad.

631
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: And it makes me think about secrets and you know,

632
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,959
Speaker 1: people's secrets and how you think that your secret is

633
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: so terrible and then you find out later And I

634
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: do feel now in the age of the apps and

635
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: all the different things, you know that there's a lot

636
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: less secrets kept.

637
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 3: Do you feel, right, I feel well, it's almost like,

638
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, you have to you have to work

639
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 3: a lot harder, I think, to keep a secret in

640
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 3: this sort of digital age. Where where everything is documented,

641
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 3: everything is you can track, like like even like back

642
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 3: in the day, if someone said to us, you know,

643
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 3: like oh you know, I can't you know. And I'm

644
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 3: sure there's been episodes. I feel like there might have

645
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 3: even been of like no, my maybe it was in

646
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 3: the pilot, Yeah, where he just kind of goes her

647
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,479
Speaker 3: and it's like my mother's sick and the But now

648
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 3: all you have to do is go to their social media,

649
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 3: like and if they're check somewhere else, then check.

650
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 2: You can check on all the stuff.

651
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 3: And I feel like having a you know, a daughter

652
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 3: in her twenty and like the impact social media has

653
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 3: for this generation particularly, like it's like they it's how

654
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 3: they function. She even said, even told me last night,

655
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 3: like there's a like getting invited to parties. There's like

656
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 3: an app that you get invited through and then you

657
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 3: see the RSVP and it's like wow, it's you know,

658
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 3: like not just simple basic ebite. There's like a whole

659
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 3: like wow twenties.

660
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 2: Thing that for part My God, who knew?

661
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 3: Who knew it? It's but it's a lot. It's like

662
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 3: a lot.

663
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 2: God, I hope it all works out for them.

664
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I mean I feel I feel like they

665
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: do have a lot of awareness, like you said, which

666
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: is really important. And I do feel I mean, to me,

667
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: secrets are not great, right, so like in some ways

668
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: that's a great thing to have more freedom about, Like, well,

669
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: this is what I like, Yeah, this is what I

670
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: don't like. Like that is a that is a good development, right.

671
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 3: Right, absolutely absolutely, And I think you're somebody who's like

672
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 3: confident and comfortable and okay, like you know, the more

673
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 3: information you give early on in dating or meeting somebody, like,

674
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 3: the less hurt you're gonna down the line feel right,

675
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, like if either it's going

676
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 3: to feel good or not, you know, like uh, I

677
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 3: like that, yeah, like it's going to work or not.

678
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 3: But I don't know, like I as sort of a

679
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 3: self proclaimed people pleaser, that's a that's a difficult thing

680
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 3: to do. Like like there's one of the earlier episodes,

681
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 3: and I don't want to get off track because we

682
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 3: have a lot to cover, but the earlier episodes were

683
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 3: you know the one I think it's the one, yeah,

684
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 3: where the guy wants to ask carry to marry her

685
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 3: and then he takes.

686
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 4: You from yeah, and and like she's so straightforward when

687
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 4: she realizes, like she she's like, I'm sort of just

688
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 4: trying you on, and you know what I mean, And

689
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 4: it's true.

690
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 3: It's great, that's what you sort of want to do.

691
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 3: But then you want to just be honest. But it's

692
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 3: very hard because you don't want to hurt someone's feelings.

693
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 3: You don't want them to hate you. You don't want

694
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 3: it to end bitterly, or for there to be bad

695
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:58,479
Speaker 3: feelings about it.

696
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 2: So oh gosh, that's why I.

697
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 3: Love that there's so many different points of view from

698
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 3: each of you and how you manage those situations.

699
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 2: It's true.

700
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: I also love because then Charlotte dates him, which is

701
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: interesting because it would make sense because they theoretically want

702
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: the same thing. And then Charlotte is so incredibly picky

703
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: that when he doesn't like the china she likes, she's like, no,

704
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: And I love that because I don't really remember all that,

705
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: and to me, it just speaks to like Charlotte really

706
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: has like like a steel center, do you know what

707
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: I'm saying?

708
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 3: Yes, Yeah, that's such a great way to put it,

709
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 3: such a great way to put it too.

710
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: She may not seem it, you know, like you don't

711
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: necessarily realize it.

712
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 2: She's all like haha, you know whatever.

713
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: She seems giggly and girly, but like inside there's like

714
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: rock card steel.

715
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting to me. It's interesting to me.

716
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: But let's talk about the secret sex thing, because I

717
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: do think this is interesting and even with the digital

718
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: media social media age, I do feel like it's still true.

719
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: There would be people that you might go out with

720
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: or you might have sex with, and you would not

721
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: want people to know, so you would not be posting them.

722
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 2: You would not post where you go.

723
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 3: You know.

724
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: There's this whole thing about like going Instagram official, right,

725
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 1: that's like a tries to be I mean I think

726
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: still I don't know if I'm not objective about this,

727
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: but you know you don't do that unless you're serious, right,

728
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: So there is still a way to try to keep

729
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: secrets in this day and age that everyone kind of

730
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: knows everything. Yes, and I'm interested in I wonder. I

731
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 1: don't know if you and I are the best people

732
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: to ask, but it's interesting to me, like what are

733
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: the ideas now of who you're supposed to be with?

734
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 2: You know, like is that still functioning?

735
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: You know?

736
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 3: Right? Like I mean I think it really depends. Well

737
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,240
Speaker 3: just watching this episode and this will play into it slightly,

738
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 3: I think because where she talks to the friend, and

739
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 3: the friend is like no, where Carrie starts to like

740
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 3: now realize when he's not introducing when he brings her

741
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 3: back to the restaurant where ye friend.

742
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 2: For a second time? Have you seen?

743
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 3: It literally made me think of like Ben and I

744
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 3: went on our first date and Ben was Ben Stiller.

745
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 2: Like he'd been ready.

746
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was like there's something about Mary had

747
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 3: come out. It was a huge work together. That's how

748
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 3: we met, Like he cast something he was directing me.

749
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 3: We had like laughed a lot, and like we were

750
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 3: both like sort of getting out of relationships and sort

751
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 3: of in this like rebound where he was like, hey,

752
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 3: do you want to have dinner and like, but he

753
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 3: was still Ben Stiller, so like he attracted attention wherever

754
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 3: he went, and I with the time I was living

755
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 3: off of Laurel Canyon on the valley side of Laurel

756
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 3: Canon and he came to me up and really casually

757
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 3: like and I laughed now because I was like I

758
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 3: so got it without him having to say it. And

759
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 3: it was his way of like not wanting to offend me,

760
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 3: but like he's like, yeah, and this was before like

761
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 3: the valley now Studio City is so like it's happening.

762
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 3: It's that happening, you know, twenty five years ago, and

763
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 3: it was. And he just was like, hey, I love

764
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 3: the valley. I don't go to a lot of restaurants

765
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 3: in the valley, like is there like are there any

766
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 3: good restaurants like over here? And I what between the

767
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 3: lines what I was reading was literally like this is

768
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 3: a first date. The last thing we want is for

769
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 3: paparazzi to catch a picture and there to be some

770
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 3: sort of story. I was, you know what I mean,

771
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 3: it would like who has been Stiller with kind of story?

772
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 3: It was not, And and it really made me laugh

773
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 3: because like he didn't think that I knew what he was.

774
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,919
Speaker 2: Let me ask you, were you offended at all?

775
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 3: I really wasn't, because that's good. Also, it was this

776
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 3: weird thing of like I'm going on a date with

777
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 3: Ben still like what's the reality? Like this is? And

778
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 3: I don't want I was. I told like a couple

779
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 3: of my really close girlfriends, I didn't like call my

780
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 3: family and sam going on. I mean, I was like

781
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 3: I'm gonna see what this is because this is very seral.

782
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 3: I literally like was a fan of his films, and

783
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 3: I was it's a very strange thing to be but

784
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 3: having just worked with him, we'd spent a couple of

785
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 3: weeks together of just you know, developing a rapport and

786
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 3: you know so, but we ended up going to and

787
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember it, Michelli's in the Valley, sure, like.

788
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 2: That's insane.

789
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 4: Yes, that was our first dated to last because the

790
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 4: waiters sing show tunes and we're both like musical theater now.

791
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 3: But it just no, I wasn't offended because I was

792
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 3: equally as like talking about secrets. It was sort of

793
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 3: like I wanted this to feel like a secret for

794
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 3: me in a way. I didn't want people to be

795
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 3: so intrigued or have opinions or.

796
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: Well there's pressure from that pressure, and there.

797
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 3: Were there stories that people would you know, like yeah,

798
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 3: going out, but still like whatever, I wanted it to

799
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 3: be our thing, so I felt it was actual, but

800
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 3: it was just sort of how he.

801
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 2: It's really funny. I like it.

802
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: But then my question would be what happened on the

803
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: second date? Did you also go to a restaurant? In

804
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: the valley and did it bother you? Then like at

805
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: what point.

806
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 3: You know, I we started going like we started spending

807
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 3: a lot of time very quickly, and then and then

808
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 3: we it wasn't even like he was going to New

809
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 3: York to shoot a movie pretty soon after that, so

810
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 3: it was almost like we had this like fun time

811
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 3: together re for like over the course of a week

812
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 3: or two. And then he was leaving for New York

813
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 3: and it was like that talk of like, hey, I'm

814
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:50,720
Speaker 3: going to be in New York for the next three months,

815
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 3: and like, you know, maybe if you're back east, well,

816
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 3: we're very loose about it. And he laid out New

817
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 3: York and it was spring in New York and the

818
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 3: new it was like he was in Central Park and

819
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 3: I got a call and he was like, so do

820
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 3: you think you'd never want to come and visit in

821
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 3: the next week it's before we start shooting. It's like,

822
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 3: so that's so cute. It was like very quick that

823
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 3: we were like creaked in obsessed with each other.

824
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: And love it, love it, love it right, amazing, Yeah,

825
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: but that's so great.

826
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 2: But then when you were in New York, could you

827
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 2: hide or did you know?

828
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 3: Then in New York. It was like he was working

829
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 3: a lot and I was showing up and like, so

830
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 3: it started to become I mean, I don't It wasn't

831
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 3: really like tabloid material, but it was really like we

832
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 3: were just out dating, you know.

833
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 2: I was fine with it. You're fine with it organically? Yes,

834
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,919
Speaker 2: because I love it. I love it.

835
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I feel like that is its own

836
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: you know, micro cosm of secrets, right to have to

837
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: deal with public perception and own right, right, it's its

838
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: own thing. But I do feel like I watched this episode,

839
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I'm really good at secrets and I

840
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: don't intend to change that.

841
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 2: But on the other hand, I feel like it is

842
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 2: kind of.

843
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: I have mixed feelings about it, I guess, you know,

844
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,720
Speaker 1: because like, on the one hand, why should you feel

845
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: bad about anybody that you're involved with. Why in this

846
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: day and age, why should you ever second guess your

847
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:25,919
Speaker 1: own attractions?

848
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,240
Speaker 3: Well, you know, and that becomes like the bigger question

849
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 3: of like it's all about appearance, Like I don't want

850
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 3: my friends to judge me.

851
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: In this show, the guy who goes out with the

852
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: girl that he meets at the cheese shop, you know,

853
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: who's like so amazing and so great, and he says, oh,

854
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 1: she's not beautiful enough. I mean that's about him, that's

855
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: so fully one about him. Yes, yes, and it's so sad,

856
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: I know.

857
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 2: And because she's amazing.

858
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 3: I was so happy that that little storyline got tied

859
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 3: up with him saying she dumped me, she found someone else.

860
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 2: Thank God, right, thank God.

861
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 3: Happy that it wasn't just him getting to have this time.

862
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, I agree because the male guys

863
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: in the beginning are so incredibly toxic. Like we have

864
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: that first thing where we label people toxic bachelors. I

865
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 1: feel like that could be everybody but Skipper for like

866
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: the whole first season. I mean, it's so insane, right,

867
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: They're so awful. And I remember at the time, my

868
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: mom had said to me, my grandmother was living at

869
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: my house with my parents, and so there had to

870
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: be this whole kind of secret. I would send mom

871
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: the VHS tapes to watch secretly because she didn't want

872
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: Grandma to see it. And I remember Mom saying, and

873
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: I had to just be vague. When I would see

874
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: my grandma, I'd be like, yeah, I'm working, and she'd.

875
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 2: Be like, what are you working on?

876
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 3: Oh?

877
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: You know something in New York, Like I couldn't say

878
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: the title right to my ninety something year old grandmother.

879
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 2: So my mother had said to me, like, you know,

880
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 2: I'm just so depressed. The show just makes me so depressed.

881
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 2: I was like, Mom, why, it's amazing. You know, there's

882
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 2: four of us, we're stretting around York in our outfits.

883
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:12,439
Speaker 2: You know, what do you mean?

884
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: She said, I just don't want to think about this

885
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: dating world for you. And I was like, oh, whatever,

886
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: you know, I was just like puff, you know, mom,

887
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: And I look back on it, I completely get what

888
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 1: she's saying.

889
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 3: Right, looking back on it now, right.

890
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I think back then we were kind of

891
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,919
Speaker 2: used to this stuff. Yeah, don't you feel yes, oh

892
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, yes.

893
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 1: Like I know it was shocking, right, like Edgy and

894
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 1: whatnot that we were saying the things were saying, But

895
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: I don't feel like the men and the situations were shocking.

896
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, no no.

897
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 2: Finance bros and whatnot, like there's so many eugh.

898
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 3: I know, And I think that was well done. And

899
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 3: you know, I think probably as the show goes on

900
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 3: and as I kind of rewatched that it again as well,

901
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 3: because it's just so fun to do it. Now. Just

902
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 3: see the evolution of how that first season the men

903
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:09,959
Speaker 3: are very it's an exaggeration yet very close to home

904
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 3: of what things so true, but for the sake of comedy,

905
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 3: you know, for the sake of.

906
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 1: Course, of course it's a little broad for sure, but

907
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: I also feel and one of my favorite parts of

908
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 1: this particular episode is so Carrie kind of spins out

909
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: about Big, you know, after they have sex, and then

910
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: she goes drunkenly to his apartment. I'm so out of order,

911
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 1: but it just brought it up to me and he

912
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: really makes sense.

913
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 3: Well, it's so funny that you said that because when

914
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 3: you watch it the first time, because, like I said,

915
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 3: I rewatched it again this morning, knowing his three excuses

916
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 3: for the three moments he felt sort of shafted, and

917
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 3: then you watch it again and it is that thing

918
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 3: we've all been in, those scenarios where you run into

919
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 3: someone you know and you're like, oh, I don't know

920
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 3: their name, right, I feel embarrassed, so you kind of

921
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 3: for the person you're with to either introduce themselves.

922
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:03,919
Speaker 2: Right right name.

923
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: But it's yeah, it's so every tract it does it

924
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: totally tracks when you hear his point of view, yes,

925
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, thank god, thank god, we

926
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: have a little insight into bigs you know, uh, mental

927
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 1: state and or what he is or is not doing,

928
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: you know. And then of course she feels so embarrassed,

929
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: which you know, I've definitely been in this place before,

930
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: not in a while, thank goodness.

931
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 2: But when you just spin out, you know.

932
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 1: And she's had a few drinks of course, so she's

933
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: even more spun out, and she goes like banging on

934
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 1: his door and she's all worked up, and then he's like.

935
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 2: What is the big deal?

936
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: And it's just such an awful feeling as a woman,

937
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: you know, because you're just like, oh my god, I'm

938
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: doing that thing.

939
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 3: I know, it's a little I'm feeling a little desperate

940
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 3: right right.

941
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: And also like the emotions, like you just have so

942
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: many emotions, and yet you kind of feel like the

943
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:52,240
Speaker 1: men they.

944
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 2: Just don't want that, they just don't want to know you.

945
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 2: It's I know.

946
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,879
Speaker 3: I know, And that's I think think that's also why

947
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 3: there's something that works too with Big and Carrie, and

948
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 3: even through his kind of like there's an aloofness to him,

949
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 3: which I think makes it more attractive to her, but

950
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 3: there's also both straight shooters. When it comes down to it,

951
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 3: like you know, like I feel like he then does

952
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 3: have the moment where he's like, hey, no, this is

953
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 3: my reality and right, you know so like but I

954
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 3: it's that tug of war attraction of you know you,

955
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 3: There's always there's something about that person where it's like

956
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 3: not the perfect fit, but that makes you want it more.

957
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 2: Right, But is it ever the perfect fit?

958
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: Christ I don't know, Okay, no, okay, Like does it exist?

959
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 2: I don't know.

960
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 3: It doesn't exist, And if it exists for a period

961
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 3: of time, then you grow, Like I think, it just

962
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 3: shifts and it evolves, and you don't want to have that.

963
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 3: You want someone who pushes you. You want someone who

964
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,240
Speaker 3: you know helps you step outside of your zone. And

965
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 3: so I do feel like it's but what makes me

966
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 3: laugh so much in that episode is when they're like

967
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 3: when Samantha's like, did you hear about the rabbi?

968
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: Charlotte?

969
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 2: I forgot. I totally forgot. Thank you for keeping me

970
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 2: on Checracy.

971
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: Yes, I know, it's pretty funny. It's pretty funny.

972
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not He's not a rabbi, Thank god, he

973
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,919
Speaker 2: is a Hasidic folk artist. You guys not just.

974
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 3: Made me laugh out loud, just even before the visual

975
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 3: of the two of you together, but like you it's

976
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 3: pretty funny.

977
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: Not a rabbi, thank god, but I mean, hello, we

978
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: have a whole show about this now, Like nobody wants this.

979
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: It's so amazing and to think about, right, And also

980
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: Charlotte ends up with Harry like it's shadowy foreshadowing so

981
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: many things that are coming, which I love. But what

982
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: I love about that particular storyline and it is it

983
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: is I every time I see one of my storylines

984
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: in the first season, I'm like, oh my god, Like

985
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: it just seems like a teen lifetimes ago, you know,

986
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 1: and I'm like a little child kind of like. And

987
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 1: I loved this actor. His name is Glenn Flesher, and

988
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: he has worked a lot.

989
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, I've seen him play bad guys

990
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 3: and things like he can play really evil, like like.

991
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 2: He's so good. Yeah, he's really good. And this was

992
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 2: his first acting job.

993
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 3: Stop it.

994
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: Yes, we heard this from Mollie, our costume designer, who

995
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: was on and we talked briefly about this episode and

996
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: she works with him in the future. After this, and

997
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 1: he's like, I was the rabbi guy, the artist. She

998
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: and she couldn't believe it because he didn't have the

999
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: whole hair, which I think we put on him, you know,

1000
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: I think we made that happen.

1001
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 2: And he was working and doing well. I know.

1002
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: It's hysterical, right, And I remember going to Williamsburg.

1003
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 2: I am like, what planet have we landed on?

1004
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: Because I had never gone to Williamsburg at that point

1005
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety eight, I had no idea what was there? Right, Yes,

1006
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: it was a very specific subcult where everyone in this

1007
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: like maybe ten block radius are you know, conservative Jewish people,

1008
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 1: and you are like a fish out of water.

1009
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 2: And as we're they're filming, I have.

1010
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 1: To walk down the streets and they somehow find out

1011
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 1: what we are, or maybe they think that we're something

1012
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: even worse than what we are, and they basically come

1013
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: and tell us we have to leave.

1014
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 2: They run us out of Williamsburg.

1015
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they were like, who gave you this permit?

1016
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 2: You can't be here? What are you wearing? You know,

1017
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 2: And we were like.

1018
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, we leave.

1019
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 2: We were scared. We didn't want to accept people. You know,

1020
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 2: It's very interesting.

1021
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: I know, I know, but I remember I really liked

1022
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: that guy. I thought he was a good actor. I

1023
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: don't mean like like I just mean he was a

1024
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: good actor, and I enjoyed it. And I look back

1025
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 1: on it now and.

1026
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 2: I feel like Charlotte really it's just.

1027
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: Out there trying stuff, you know, like, no matter what

1028
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: she says she wants, she's out there game did you

1029
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: try stuff out?

1030
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like that's what makes Charlotte so

1031
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 3: interesting because you think she's one thing, and like you said,

1032
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:12,439
Speaker 3: there's like the steel you know you is going and

1033
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 3: exploring and and not it's being true to herself. It's

1034
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 3: not like she's making compromises. It's sort of like, I

1035
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 3: am curious, this is not gonna be the person I'm

1036
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 3: gonna end up with.

1037
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 2: But right right for me, it's super fascinating, Like you.

1038
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 3: Were intoxicated by his by his art, by the whole,

1039
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 3: by the like we've all had those moments too, where

1040
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 3: you're in like a world totally different than your own.

1041
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,760
Speaker 3: And that's like it's so interesting and over.

1042
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 2: Right right right. I love that. I love it.

1043
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 1: It's such a funny little like like sidebar. Oh yeah,

1044
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: And I also feel it's the thing that we end

1045
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: up getting a little smoother. It's like kind of her

1046
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 1: key jerky now, but you know, eventually, the way the

1047
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: show would work is we would all have our own

1048
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: storylines and her voiceover would connect them so they, you know,

1049
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: towards the end of the episode, she'd say like, and

1050
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: then up on the Upper east Side, yeah, and downtown

1051
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 1: this is a wild right. So we don't have that

1052
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: totally happening on all cylinders yet, but it's starting.

1053
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 2: To happen, you know, which I really really love. And

1054
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 2: we don't have the coffee shop.

1055
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 1: Scenes, which I also really miss, which is funny to

1056
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: me because we did curse them a lot when we

1057
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: were doing them, but now I miss them.

1058
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 3: Oh, I see how nostalgic you get.

1059
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,879
Speaker 2: I know, right about the strangest things. The strangest things.

1060
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:31,919
Speaker 1: Okay, I've gone so out of order, But are there

1061
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 1: like shocking things that I haven't said?

1062
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,399
Speaker 3: Maybe cause if I took a lot of notes too,

1063
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 3: you did.

1064
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 2: I'm so impressed, Christian, Oh my gosh.

1065
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 3: I think also because I've been like started the binge,

1066
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 3: I didn't want to mix up great moments and other

1067
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 3: episodes that you've already talked about.

1068
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: I did a bad thing last night, and then I

1069
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: watched the next one because I got confused about what

1070
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: number we were on.

1071
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 3: And now I'm all like, wow, I know, Ella, and

1072
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 3: I almost did that. And she goes, no, you should

1073
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 3: stop now, and then we'll just ki.

1074
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 2: She was right. She was so right, she was so right.

1075
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: We talked about Miranda and that sweet poor guy that

1076
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:05,919
Speaker 1: she embarrasses.

1077
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 3: Well, and the bus reveal the carry like when they

1078
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 3: know the carry bus reveal, which I do remember because

1079
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:17,240
Speaker 3: it's like five degrees and it's gonna say, right, and that's.

1080
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 2: Wherever huddled under the bus stop.

1081
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 3: It looks lustery.

1082
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm shivering.

1083
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: I'm literally like, you know, when you're really trying not

1084
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:27,280
Speaker 1: to shiver when they say rolling.

1085
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 2: It's the worst. It's the worst. And we're trying to

1086
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:30,760
Speaker 2: be so jovial.

1087
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: And then this guy comes, her friend Mike or whatever

1088
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: his name is, right, never.

1089
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 3: Who we never see again.

1090
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I know, it's super interesting. It's super interesting.

1091
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 1: But apparently she is friends with so many people.

1092
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 3: Well that's what I think. That's the setup too, is

1093
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 3: that is the quintessential. You know, she knows a lot

1094
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 3: of people, She's you know, uses her resources, and like

1095
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 3: you said, it's a true storytelling device, you know.

1096
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 2: To be it's so true. It's so true.

1097
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 1: Now the thing that also happens on the bus, which

1098
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: to me is so also foreshadowing of our lives in

1099
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: real life, is that so she's got this glamorous you know,

1100
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: advertisement side of the bus, she's wearing this glamorous dress,

1101
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 1: and then someone has graffitied male private parts close to

1102
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: her mouth, and you know, it is like what happens

1103
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: when you put yourself out there as a woman in

1104
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 1: our society, you know what I'm saying, Like you are

1105
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: going to get some you know, some flat.

1106
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 3: You still see it in New York. I mean I

1107
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 3: live in New York now and you still see those

1108
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 3: sort that sort of graffiti like in you know, with

1109
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 3: against a like a beautiful woman or whatever the ad

1110
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 3: is for, and it's it's all over the place. It

1111
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 3: was just what's so crazy too? And I turned to

1112
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 3: Ellis say in that moment, is like as the friends

1113
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 3: of seeing that too, Like you know, of course it's

1114
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 3: like horrifying for her, but it's also like it's a hilarious.

1115
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 3: It's like it's just like, yeah, that's New York, Like

1116
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 3: this is our weird city that we live in.

1117
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 2: Like so true, Why couldn't the one.

1118
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 3: Thing that I was doing be beautiful? And it's New

1119
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,919
Speaker 3: York City, so it's messy and.

1120
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 2: And that's true.

1121
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 3: What I was reminded of is like in that moment,

1122
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 3: we would have because we but back then we did

1123
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 3: you didn't have camera on the cell.

1124
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 2: Hey no, someone would have.

1125
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 3: Gotten the picture and been able to crop that part out.

1126
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 2: Good point. Yeah, yeah, yeah, good point. But we're there

1127
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 2: because we don't have the ability.

1128
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 3: You know.

1129
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 2: It's interesting, right, yeah? I love that. Also, so she.

1130
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 3: Had to just live with her own it's like embedded

1131
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 3: in her skull. And that's also plays into I think

1132
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 3: why she needs to confront Big and why she needs

1133
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 3: to go there, because it's like this disaster and you

1134
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 3: didn't show up to my thing and there's a like

1135
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 3: a penis next to my.

1136
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: Right photo with someone just taking you down, you know,

1137
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: someone taking you down a notch.

1138
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 2: Right, So like, yes, she starts the episod so did.

1139
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: She's wearing her fabulous dress, she's ad her photo shoot.

1140
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: Then she's showing us the fabulous dress and things are

1141
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: going great, and then and then things don't seem like

1142
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: they're going as great as she thinks.

1143
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is how life is, isn't it. It really is?

1144
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 2: It really is. I know I know.

1145
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: But then and one one of my questions, and I

1146
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: mean this is I could ask this at any given point,

1147
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 1: at any of these episodes.

1148
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 2: Do we believe Big at this point?

1149
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm gonna be honest, like I'm still I like,

1150
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 3: I don't want to because I know that there's a hole.

1151
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 2: So much coming.

1152
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 3: Of people who have strong opinions. But it's like, I like,

1153
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 3: I still just don't really like him, but I understand

1154
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 3: Carrie's and he said all the right things in that

1155
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 3: moment she's tipsy, Yeah he gave her and they're they're

1156
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 3: all legit reasons, and she's a true and she has

1157
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 3: that moment of like, so this this is like a

1158
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 3: real thing, and he's and I forget what he says

1159
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 3: at the end. But then they and then I obviously

1160
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 3: it's a it's a happy ending. They end up they're

1161
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,240
Speaker 3: they're going to sleep together again, right, you know, she's

1162
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 3: she's got it or so we think. You know, I didn't.

1163
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 3: I didn't go ahead. I didn't jump ahead like you

1164
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 3: did right.

1165
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 2: This is what he says. He says.

1166
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 1: She says, so you and me, maybe this is for real,

1167
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 1: and he responds, could be, No, I.

1168
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 3: Knew, but kisses her.

1169
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.

1170
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 1: I mean his actions say yes, but his words do

1171
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 1: not say yes.

1172
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:29,280
Speaker 2: It's just so frustrating.

1173
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 1: He picks her up and carries her into the room. Okay,

1174
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: I mean it's so interesting to watch back now because

1175
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:40,760
Speaker 1: I really never in my mind did I think he's

1176
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 1: kind of weird and makes messages and aloof and whatever.

1177
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 1: I never once thought that interest, right, I know, well,

1178
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:49,280
Speaker 1: it just goes to show.

1179
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, like I need some adjustments.

1180
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: But it looks like it's happened over the years, because

1181
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: now I totally think that watching him, like what is wrong?

1182
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 3: Sure, And I can't remember at the time, Like I said,

1183
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 3: I in my memory of the show the relationship that

1184
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 3: I remember enjoying them, I was when she was with Aiden, like.

1185
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,240
Speaker 1: That was great. I think that's great. I think it's

1186
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: a relationship.

1187
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 3: Her in real time thinking oh, what's the appeal with him?

1188
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 3: I don't, But watching it now, I'm sort of like

1189
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 3: so annoyed that she's like taking the bait and taking

1190
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 3: the bait.

1191
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 1: It's true, but I will say this, I think the

1192
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: thing that I am also kind of surprised by when

1193
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: I look at all the men in the show, not

1194
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: not the men that she's with or learning with or whatever,

1195
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: you know, they're very like Big is kind of in

1196
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 1: terms of achievement and intellect, which is very important to carry, right,

1197
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: Like she you know what, she does the crossword puzzle,

1198
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 1: which I think was last last time.

1199
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 2: He's doing the crossword puzzle and it's like that's the word,

1200
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:51,240
Speaker 2: you know, which is so sir jesical.

1201
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: Sure something exactly right, exactly you know, there's and then

1202
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: you look at like for instance, the twenty something guy

1203
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:00,760
Speaker 1: episode very good, which is kind of funny, a hinge

1204
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 1: but whatever, she you know, she's got the young boys

1205
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 1: who want you know.

1206
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 2: And then like the next.

1207
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: Episode is justin Throw's first episode and she kind of

1208
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,720
Speaker 1: flirts with him. He's a writer, but he's a writer

1209
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 1: that has some success.

1210
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 2: But when you look at how.

1211
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: He iss, he's not enough for her, you know what

1212
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: I'm saying.

1213
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 2: And that's the thing about Big That was.

1214
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 3: The other thing can I genuinely completely forgotten is where

1215
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 3: the name Big had come from. Like and in the pilot.

1216
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 3: It's just exploits the way Samantha's like, Oh, he's this

1217
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 3: big right ill estate mogul, you know, I right, I

1218
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 3: might even say, like the next Donald Trump is. I

1219
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 3: think we do study like but so so that gives

1220
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 3: you the sense of like what his status is, and

1221
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 3: also too of like, right, he is taking meetings, he

1222
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 3: does have a crazy schedule, and he's.

1223
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: And he has a driver, and he has a like

1224
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: corded phone in the back of the car, which is

1225
00:57:58,560 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 1: so hysterical.

1226
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 3: There's a it's like a driver weird like Sedan.

1227
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the black like Buick or whatever, Cadillac. I

1228
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 2: don't know what it is, town car, I guess.

1229
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it's really funny. But I think and he's

1230
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: based on a real person. I don't know if we've

1231
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: said this yet, but he is based on a real

1232
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: person that Kennics bush Now was involved with, who was

1233
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: a big publishing person. I'm not going to go further

1234
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:22,919
Speaker 1: than that. You can look it up if you guys want,

1235
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: but I feel I feel, I feel like it's I

1236
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 1: don't even know if it's fair to say who these

1237
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 1: people were based on.

1238
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, because or anything happened since then,

1239
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 2: but inspired by it, I like that that's a good

1240
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 2: way to go. That's a good way to go.

1241
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:50,439
Speaker 1: Yet the time, I remember, wherever we would go, people

1242
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 1: would say, oh, like if we went to an event,

1243
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 1: they'd be like, that girl over there is who Charlott's

1244
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: based on it, And I'd be like, really, oh my god,

1245
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: I guess I better go investigate this girl woman whatever.

1246
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: And I mean who knows, Like at a certain point,

1247
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: like half of New York was who we were based on,

1248
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 1: you know, it was that's right.

1249
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 3: That's exactly right, I think there. But what I love

1250
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 3: so much is just the you know. I think Ella

1251
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 3: kind of put it as we were sort of talking

1252
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 3: about it, because Ella, having rewatched it more recently than me,

1253
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 3: was like, you're such a Charlotte. When I told her

1254
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 3: about doing this, She's like, but sprinkle, she goes. But

1255
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 3: I think everybody has a sprinkle of Carrie. Because Carrie

1256
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 3: as the narrator, as the we're seeing the show through

1257
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 3: her lens. She's meant we're all supposed to relate to

1258
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 3: her in a way like, right, she's she's back, you know.

1259
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 3: So she was like and maybe a little Miranda, but no, Samantha.

1260
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 2: I mean sometimes I think no, Miranda too.

1261
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 1: It depends on the episode, right, like sometimes yeah, it

1262
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: depends on the episode, but she kind of. I mean,

1263
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: I'm so watching everybody's performance. Like, first of all, I

1264
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 1: just am Yeah, I'm so blown away by Sara Jusca.

1265
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: You know, I think to myself, like, why didn't I

1266
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: go to work every day that she was working and

1267
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: steady what she was doing, like, she is so incredible.

1268
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 3: No, no, no, And you talked about it a little

1269
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 3: bit and I think one of your first or second episodes,

1270
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 3: but just the subtlety and what she's doing her, I mean,

1271
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 3: she's like having met her a few times and know

1272
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 3: her a tiny bit, like she's so brilliant, just like

1273
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 3: in the brain. But yeah, Medianne, she's real, she's herself.

1274
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 2: She's so present.

1275
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 3: There's it's you know, and I love. I love when

1276
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 3: you talked about them wanting you to cut your hair

1277
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 3: for the pilot and herse did you cut? And You're like,

1278
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 3: now I know who I need to go.

1279
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that was that was like a bell

1280
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,919
Speaker 1: Weather moment of like, oh, thank God, go to.

1281
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 3: Somebody right exactly. But yeah, even Ella just having the

1282
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 3: experience of like working on set and but all of you,

1283
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 3: I mean she's really said it about all of you

1284
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 3: have just for it was really her first big job

1285
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,439
Speaker 3: on a like you know, being able. I didn't bend

1286
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 3: a couple of days. She's done little teeny things here

1287
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 3: and there for most of the theater, and and just to

1288
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 3: get to watch you all, it was she just said

1289
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 3: like a master class and also really had a good

1290
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 3: laugh about like like some of the wardrobe and how

1291
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 3: that literally plays into getting in and out of a doorway.

1292
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 2: I think, oh yeah, because the whole thing.

1293
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 3: In this first season has not gotten to be what.

1294
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 2: Right comes right? You know, we're developing, We're developing.

1295
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 1: We had Molly on, our costume designer, who at the

1296
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 1: beginning was like I think listed as costume supervisor. Okay,

1297
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 1: and you can just see a beginning, and it really

1298
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 1: begins with Sarah Jessica because Sar Jessica already had the

1299
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 1: relationships with the designers and we needed to borrow things.

1300
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 1: But what Molly told me, which I forgotten, is that

1301
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 1: basically the rest of our clothes are coming from costumes

1302
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 1: are coming from Bloomy Dale's and Century twenty one.

1303
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 3: See that is so off brand when you think of

1304
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 3: Sex and the City, like I know, in fact doesn't

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01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 3: Sarah Jessica Carrie has that joke about the guy she's

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01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 3: trying on. It's like it's kind of like a decam

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01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 3: my dress, Like you want to try it all, but

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01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 3: it's not for you, Like it's not exactly for everything.

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01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 3: So I find it and the way each of you

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Speaker 3: and your fashion develops and becomes, you know, sort of

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01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 3: an extension of your personalities, and you know, it's brilliant.

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Speaker 3: It's brilliant how it evolves. And this is just like

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Speaker 3: a great podcast. It's a great way to revisit something

1314
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 3: that's so beloved for so many of us.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. It's fun.

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Speaker 1: It's such a kind of therapeutic and interesting thing for me,

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01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 1: right because I had never never rewatched you know, I can't.

1318
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 3: Even imagine going back and especially still being in it

1319
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 3: with and just like that.

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Speaker 1: Well I think that really helps, right because like I

1321
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 1: feel like if we weren't together anymore, if we didn't

1322
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 1: get to be together anymore, it would be more sad

1323
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 1: for me to look back, I feel, But because we've

1324
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 1: had this incredible journey that we never in a million

1325
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 1: hundred years would have guessed in the beginning. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we were just so excited to get to do thirteen episodes,

1327
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:33,439
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, right like that was a miracle, right,

1328
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 1: and now to imagine all the things that we've gotten

1329
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 1: to do over time, which we've had to fight for

1330
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:41,919
Speaker 1: every single time, and it's never handed to us, as

1331
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 1: you know, nothing is really handed to any of us

1332
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 1: in this business, even at the tippy top, which we're not.

1333
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Speaker 2: But you know what I'm saying, Yes, it's never again.

1334
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 2: You have to fight, Yeah, you have to fight for it.

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Speaker 1: But it's been so worth it and so incredible. And

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01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:57,439
Speaker 1: the real reason and the reason I kind of wanted

1337
01:03:57,480 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: to do the podcast is that it's all because of

1338
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 1: these fans, you know, and the fans who've been with

1339
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 1: us since the beginning, and also this whole new you know,

1340
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 1: multiple generations.

1341
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 3: It's it's multiple, multi generational, absolutely, and that's why I

1342
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 3: think it's really like, but it's still you look at

1343
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 3: a different period of time and you can pick out

1344
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 3: things like the way you talked about New York looks

1345
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 3: a little different, the clothes or whatever it is, but

1346
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 3: there are still very sort of fundamental issues that women

1347
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 3: deal with collectively, and yes, there's been some growth in

1348
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 3: some of them, but still at the core, it's really

1349
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 3: like the struggles we all feel about, like what do

1350
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 3: I want? What? What do I want? Right?

1351
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 2: Right? Who am I? Who do I want to be with?

1352
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 3: Existential questions that like are very hard to answer, but

1353
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 3: you guys get to do it in a way that

1354
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 3: you know you're you're echoing our thoughts, right, And yeah,

1355
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 3: it's it's it's you.

1356
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 2: It is special. It's so special to have you on

1357
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 2: with me. I appreciate it so much.

1358
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, Oh. And the one thing I was going

1359
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 3: to say was that I listened to the Michael one

1360
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 3: of the first part of the Michael Patrick King episode,

1361
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 3: and I loved what he said. I didn't ever, I

1362
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 3: never even thought about it when he said you never

1363
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 3: see the parents of anybody except for a couple of

1364
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:20,439
Speaker 3: the in laws, and one of them being Ben's mother

1365
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 3: who played the steam and Mira playing and I thought,

1366
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 3: and when he said it too, I was like, He's like,

1367
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 3: how many people when you went moved to New York,

1368
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 3: where you were you meeting their parents? Like the transplants,

1369
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 3: most everybody came from somewhere else right, like Ales, but

1370
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 3: he was a native New Yorker. Maybe that was the

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01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 3: family you knew, But I just thought that was so

1372
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 3: interesting that that's not something you see.

1373
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 1: You know, I know, I know we took so many

1374
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 1: weird chances, you know when I'm saying like I do

1375
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 1: remember at the time, because when you're trying to figure

1376
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 1: a character out, you're thinking, well, who are her parents,

1377
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 1: where did you how.

1378
01:05:58,000 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 2: Did she become like this?

1379
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 1: And so you're trying to fill it all in yourself,

1380
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 1: and you know, little by little details come out, like

1381
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 1: at some point I say, I went to Smith, which

1382
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 1: of course makes so much sense, and you know, little bits,

1383
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 1: and then you meet my brother, which is very strange,

1384
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 1: which we touched on with Michael Patrick, very very strange episode, and.

1385
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 2: Then he's never discussed again. But it was it was

1386
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 2: a challenge in that way, and that's why I do

1387
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 2: think it.

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01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 1: At a certain point, I thought, gosh, I need to

1389
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 1: maybe investigate these women that I keep hearing I'm based on,

1390
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 1: because maybe I can figure out who they are and

1391
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 1: that will inform Charlotte. So I do remember going up

1392
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 1: to the Upper east Side and like just kind of

1393
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 1: walking around like stocking these women who looked like kind

1394
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 1: of like Charlotte's, Like what stores are they going to

1395
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 1: go into?

1396
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 2: Like basic little tiny details.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to find out because I'm not really you know,

1398
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 1: like a New York you know. I mean I would

1399
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 1: also go to the art galleries and that was really fun. Yes,

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01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 1: that was the best part in so many ways. But

1401
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 1: I mean it was all fun really and and interesting

1402
01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 1: in that. I think also because writers were so great

1403
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 1: and HBO let us find ourselves, you know, through the process.

1404
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 1: So it was kind of this amazing melding of of

1405
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 1: us as actors with our with our parts, you know,

1406
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 1: which is such a joy and a rarity.

1407
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 3: And to become as iconic, right like as it it's

1408
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 3: it's always those moments where when it's something special, it's

1409
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 3: the right people at the right time, in the right place,

1410
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 3: and it's then the magic happens. And I just think

1411
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 3: that's one of those magical examples of that.

1412
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Speaker 2: Is it is on. It's incredible to think about. It's

1413
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 2: incredible to think about, you know, just the luck of

1414
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 2: getting to be a part of that.

1415
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 3: You're awesome, This was so much.

1416
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 1: Thank you all right, your joy, thank you, thank you

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Speaker 1: thank you so much, to you,