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Speaker 1: In the early evening hours of May eighth, nineteen eighty one,

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Speaker 1: at her photo right now and she's absolutely precious, big,

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Speaker 1: She is the co founder of Justice for Tammy. With

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Speaker 1: Tammy's sister, Debbie Mahoney. Right now to Dave matt Crime

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Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter Dave How is it that

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Speaker 1: an investigator says she's been raped and murdered, but we

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Speaker 1: mac tell me how does she go missing? Tammy left

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Speaker 1: met with Doug. The police relentlessly combed through this for

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Speaker 1: years and years and years. Doug Bailey, he is retired now,

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Speaker 1: but he literally gave his life to to finding out

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Speaker 1: what happened. But at that time, in the beginning, when

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Speaker 1: it first happened, we couldn't even go on the reservation

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Speaker 1: at all. And we all waited and hoped and waited

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Speaker 1: and hoped, and everybody just was pulling through trying to

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Speaker 1: find out. Maums were talking, people was telling all types

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Speaker 1: of stories. My mother went up and got Tammy's articles,

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Speaker 1: you know, in a trunk, her guitar. She loved music.

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Speaker 1: We have all of her things. Still, we never had

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Speaker 1: a closing ceremony. We never had anything yet, because there

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Speaker 1: is nobody and there is no answer my mother, as

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Speaker 1: my sister Mow had said at the press, confidence my mother,

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Speaker 1: We're all just waiting to hear. And I think of

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Speaker 1: her every day. I have her pictures all over my home,

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Speaker 1: and it's very devastating for all of us, in fact,

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Speaker 1: to the point where we hardly speak of it anymore,

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Speaker 1: because what can we say. I plead with the people

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Speaker 1: out there in Oneida and all over in that vicinity,

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Speaker 1: there's forty thousand dollars reward. Please, please come forth and

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Speaker 1: pull that number, and let's get some closure for everyone,

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Speaker 1: for the people who are involved, for the people who

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Speaker 1: know from my family, and for Tammy too, for all

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Speaker 1: of us to know what happened, because they do know.

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Speaker 1: Teresa Humphrey, co founder of Justice for Tammy, is with us. Teresa.

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Speaker 1: I can hear you crying. I feel like crying for you. Nancy.

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Speaker 1: I just have to tell you. As of late night

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Speaker 1: last night, after I came home from my nursing shift,

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Speaker 1: I did on one extra thing. I actually sat down

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Speaker 1: and I wrote an email to Lindsey Graham who was

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Speaker 1: the chairman of the Senate ch of the Sherry Committee,

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Speaker 1: to let him know what's going on with this case

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Speaker 1: and asking him if there is a way to take

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Speaker 1: the case out of Oneida and an assign a special

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Speaker 1: prosecution office to see why the people were never prosecuted

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Speaker 1: in this case time and time again. Thirty eight years

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Speaker 1: later they said that they were going to prosecute. They

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Speaker 1: were going to prosecute. The people are running around. You know,

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Speaker 1: now we have the possibility of corruption. This case has

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Speaker 1: got to come to an end, and not for ready

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Speaker 1: crime stories with Nancy Grace. Where is Tammy Mahoney, Sarah

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Speaker 1: Ruwayne with me from the FBI? If it's seemingly quote

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Speaker 1: everybody knows who did it. I don't understand what the

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Speaker 1: hold up is. I mean, can the FBI enter and

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Speaker 1: search and conduct investigations on Indian reservations? So the the

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Speaker 1: case agents and yes, the FBI has been conducting um,

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Speaker 1: I mean for at this point decades, Um that's been happening.

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Speaker 1: The issue is you know that I certainly can't get

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Speaker 1: into how these things are happening. But not every interview

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Speaker 1: turns out to be truthful. Um. You know, some people

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Speaker 1: are giving in for reason that is not the case,

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Speaker 1: and so obviously then you're kind of starting over again

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Speaker 1: for this. But you know, this is something that we

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Speaker 1: can't really it's such a unique case for us for

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Speaker 1: so many reasons. But the one thing that has never

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Speaker 1: wavered is the cooperation between the local police departments and

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Speaker 1: and the FBI. You know, there's been a lot of

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Speaker 1: talk of Doug Bailey, and I think there's no doubt

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Speaker 1: that he is the person who has absolutely kept us moving.

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Speaker 1: He's the one who created the task force, which is

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Speaker 1: how we got involved. And Sarah, I have no reason

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Speaker 1: to disbelieve you at all, but it really doesn't sound

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Speaker 1: like it's moving. It's been thirty eight years. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you're not gonna find any DNA. DNA ain't gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: All you've got our witness statements. Let me understand something,

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Speaker 1: Dave Matt Crime online dot Com. Did the alleged gang

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Speaker 1: rape happen at the party? At or near the party?

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Speaker 1: Is what we've gotten from the police, we assume, and

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Speaker 1: I hate to soon, but this comes from again what

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Speaker 1: the police have said based on their interviews of people.

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Speaker 1: We still can't even identify who's telling what story because

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Speaker 1: they won't tell us. Mentioned Doug Bailey, the guy followed

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Speaker 1: us for twenty years and in the early two thousands

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Speaker 1: he said that a prosecution was imminent. That was eighteen

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Speaker 1: years ago. Take a listen to CNY Centrals Sarah bath Ackerman.

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Speaker 1: This just came in only minutes ago that the results

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Speaker 1: came back negative. And we've been here all day as

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Speaker 1: crews were searching this wooded area that you see behind me.

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Speaker 1: Since then about an hour ago, they packed up and

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Speaker 1: left for the day, and they also told us they

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Speaker 1: will not be coming back here on Monday. Multiple agencies

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Speaker 1: have spent their day right here in this wooded area

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Speaker 1: off of Rue forty six and Oneida for hour searching

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Speaker 1: any evidence in connection to Tammy Mahoney. To Cheryl McCollum,

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Speaker 1: director of the Coal Case Research Institute, this is just

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Speaker 1: so frustrating, is something, Debbie Mahoney, Tammy's sister, said. Really,

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Speaker 1: the struck a chord, you know, the Coal Case murder

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Speaker 1: you and are working on, Okay, off the record, and

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Speaker 1: I hate to even call the parents. I hate to

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Speaker 1: even think about the case. I make myself think about it.

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Speaker 1: You know, the other day you and I were in

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Speaker 1: the car. Did you know. For the next two or

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Speaker 1: three days, I couldn't get it off my mind, trying

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Speaker 1: to replace all the possibilities of how that murder occurred

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Speaker 1: and how I could help. And I hate hte to

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Speaker 1: call the parents because I don't have anything, and I

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Speaker 1: know that feeling. You hate to even think about it

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Speaker 1: because there's no answer. And can you imagine what these

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Speaker 1: parents are going through? Just something so wrong in this case, Cheryl, Oh,

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Speaker 1: it's dut Rich Andy. And here's the thing. They don't

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Speaker 1: have a primary crom tent. So did the rape occur

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Speaker 1: at the house and then the murder of her somewhere else?

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Speaker 1: Did something occur in this car that they're looking for.

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Speaker 1: So without a primary crom tent, without like you said,

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Speaker 1: DNA or ciminal fluid anything, it is imperative that we

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Speaker 1: recover her, whether they use ground penetrating thrones in concert

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Speaker 1: with K nine, which is what I would recommend, but

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Speaker 1: if we can recover her, we would be able to

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Speaker 1: determine blunt force trauma. For example, was she bound? Was

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Speaker 1: she God forbids set on fire? And the rest of

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Speaker 1: the things that a lot of people do to try

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Speaker 1: to cover up evidence. Well, she you know, buries there,

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Speaker 1: shallow grave somewhere. This to me would be my primary

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Speaker 1: focus right now. And everybody seems to be working together.

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Speaker 1: Seems like the Nation Police and the you know, FBI

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Speaker 1: and everybody. Cheryl are even saying that, I know, because

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Speaker 1: if everybody was working together, all right, we would have

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Speaker 1: justice in this case. This teen girl, this teen girl

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Speaker 1: born in Farringdale, Long Island, graduates high school, moves to

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Speaker 1: Oneida to study animal husbandry, that's to be a veterinarian

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Speaker 1: at Marshall State College. They has been investigated by Oneidah

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Speaker 1: City Police, Madison County Sheriff's Office, the Nation Police, New

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Speaker 1: York State Police, now the FBI is on it. Who

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Speaker 1: is with us today? Police say there are medical records

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Speaker 1: on file for Mahoney and she's listed in the missing

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Speaker 1: Person's database. She has been missing and police believe she

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Speaker 1: was kidnapped, raped and murdered after getting a ride on

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Speaker 1: State Route forty six, Oneida, ending up at a party

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Speaker 1: on the Oneida Nation, Indian Territory, and she has never

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Speaker 1: been seen since. There is a forty thousand dollar reward.

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Speaker 1: Tipline three one five seven three one one seven eight

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Speaker 1: one repeat three one, five, seven three one one seven

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Speaker 1: eight one. Please bring peace to Tammy's family. Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Story signing off goodbye friend one