1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 1: Teen girl Naomi Erieon is sitting in the early morning 2 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: hours in the parking lot of a Nevada Walmart. She's 3 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: waiting for her ride. It's one of those you ride 4 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,959 Speaker 1: share buses that you see going around college campuses dropping 5 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: students off at one building or the other. Well, she 6 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: was going to catch a similar bus to her job 7 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: at Panasonic. It was one of those jobs where you 8 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:34,599 Speaker 1: have to wear a hazmat suit to go in there 9 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 1: and build batteries. Highly technical. She's really good at it, 10 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: so that's why she's sitting alone in her car in 11 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: a Walmart parking lot in the dark, looking at her 12 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: phone like my children do incessantly. She's playing some game 13 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: or texting in the early morning hours, and then she 14 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: never shows up for work in the last hours. A 15 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: big development in the case of Naomi Erion, I mean, 16 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: see Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you for being 17 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: with us here at Fox Nation and Serious X one eleven. 18 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: We now know that teen girl Naomi Erion was kidnapped 19 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: right there from that Walmart parking lot in the dark 20 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:32,759 Speaker 1: their early morning hours. She was brutally raped, shot dead. 21 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: Imagine the terror this girl went through, then buried in 22 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: the desert her body found in a shallow grave just 23 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: two weeks after she goes missing. Cops are led to 24 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: forty two year old Troy driver. May he wrought in hell. 25 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: And of course, when you're busted with DNA or what's 26 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: you're gonna do? Well, of course you can't fight modern science. 27 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: So he demands a psychological evaluation. Yeah, you know what 28 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 1: that means? That you were crazy at the time of 29 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: the incident, meaning you don't know wrong from right, or 30 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 1: you're incompetent to help or assist your attorney at trial. 31 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: That's incompetency. Now as far as insanity goes, can I 32 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: just point out that he walked back and forth around 33 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: her car, staring at her. She's on her phone. He 34 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: kidnaps her, Then he destroys her cell phone so she 35 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 1: can't be traced. He replaces the tires on his truck 36 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 1: in an attempt to cover up the crime. If that's crazy, people, 37 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: that's crazy like a fox. Now, when all of this 38 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: is uncovered, he declares, Oops, Okay, so I'm not insane 39 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: at the time of the crime. Let's go with m 40 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: what's left incompetency to stand trial? But before I get 41 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: into his competency or light thereof. I want to review 42 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: the facts. This guy now claiming he is incompetent to 43 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: stand trial. How did the whole thing start. Spread the 44 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: word about my sister as much as you can. Because 45 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: this was on Saturday morning. You don't know how fast 46 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: that trump is going. She could be anywhere right now. 47 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: We're out of time. It's so critical right now. Just 48 00:03:55,240 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: anything did you know or or or thought. It needs 49 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: to be reported. Truer words never spoken. And when I 50 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: hear the words we are out of time, that's not good. 51 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: We know the statistics. Imagine being taken in a kidnappers 52 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: vehicle every hour, sixty miles every minute, another mile away 53 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:27,239 Speaker 1: from home. Now take a listen to the Lion County 54 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: Sheriffs Department press conference held late at night. Listen. When 55 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: I didn't hear I didn't see her on Saturday because 56 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: I went to bed super early and she got home. 57 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: She usually came home kind of later at night, and 58 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: so that wasn't weird. And then when I saw that 59 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: she didn't come home on Sunday, she worked early in 60 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: the morning and she were so early in the morning, 61 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 1: et cetera. She came she didn't come home on Sunday 62 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: and I knew something was wrong. I immediately, you know, 63 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: reached out to family Charis to see if they'd heard 64 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: from her. I reached out to all the jails and 65 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: hospitals in the nearby area, all the way from Churchill 66 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: County to Washoe County, Sacramento, Carson City, everywhere like that. 67 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 1: It was at that point that I knew something was wrong, 68 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 1: and I didn't make sure to call it dispatch on Sunday. 69 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: Have you ever had that feeling where you don't know 70 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: where your daughter, your son is, or they lost in 71 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: the mall and they lost in the store, they're not 72 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: picking up their cell phone. You were hearing her brother, Casey, 73 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: who lives with her, describing when he realized something was 74 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: very wrong. This teen girl has a job with Panasonic 75 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 1: and works crazy hours off and catching the bus to 76 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 1: get to work. Now take a listen to this. The 77 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: search for a Nevada teenager stocked and abducted from a 78 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: Walmart parking lot has ended with the discovery of her body. 79 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: Police saying detectives acting on a tip found the remains 80 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: of eighteen year old Naomi Arion buried in a remote 81 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 1: area of Churchill County The teenager was abducted in her 82 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 1: own car while waiting for a shuttle bus on her 83 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: way to work in Reno. A forty one year old 84 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: x con was charged today with first degree kidnapping. Troy 85 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 1: Driver has a violent criminal record, including a sentence of 86 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: fifteen years in prison for his role in a nineteen 87 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: ninety seven murder in northern California. You were just hearing 88 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: her friends at KTLA five breaking the heartrending news this 89 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 1: after Naomi's mother joined us begging, begging for help in 90 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: finding her girl. Listen, We're also looking for her purse, 91 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: it's a black back and any of her clothing. She 92 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: was wearing a blue Panasonic T shirt and she was 93 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: wearing a gray cardigan. And I think she was wearing 94 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 1: gray sweatpants and blue boots. They were either gray, black 95 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 1: or brown. I think they were like a faded black. Yes, 96 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: they're like they're knockoff us name brands. Yes. So if 97 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:17,239 Speaker 1: you find any of that just laying out, please call. 98 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: It could be vital to saving her life, and that's 99 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: our number one goal right now. Please save my daughter 100 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: and bring her home. Please, anything, any little tiny bit 101 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: of information, please call her mother. Diana breaking down in tears. 102 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: The more we talked about the search for her daughter, 103 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: the more she broke down. I wonder if verbalizing in 104 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: that way what was happening made it too real for her. 105 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: We learned the body of Team Girl Naomi Erian found 106 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: in a shallow grave. Join an all star panel to 107 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: make sense of what we know right now. Wendy Patrick, 108 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: California prosecutor, author of Red Flags on Amazon. She's the 109 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: host of Today with Doctor Wendy on KCBQ. You can 110 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: find her at Wendy Patrick PhD dot com. Doctor Debbie 111 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: Joffe Ellis psychologist, Professor, Columbia University and New York author 112 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: of Rational Emotive Behavior. You can find her at Debbie 113 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: Joffe Ellis dot com. Renowned medical examiner. Joining us from 114 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: the state of Florida. Doctor Tim Gallagher, Lecturer, University Florida 115 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: Medical School, Forensic Medicine founder and host International Forensic Medicine 116 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:48,079 Speaker 1: Death Investigation Conference. Karen Smith, forensic expert, lecturer, University Florida, 117 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: host of a hit series Shattered Souls podcast, but first 118 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: to Alexis tres Chuck, Crime online dot com investigative reporter 119 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: Joining us. Alexis take a listen to our friend Brianna 120 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: Connor ABC. It was in fact a tip from a 121 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: neighbor that helped investigators find driver and the truck connected 122 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: to the case. Another tip eventually led to Naomi's body. 123 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: Alexis Rustchuk, tell me everything you know about the location 124 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 1: of Naomi's body. Somebody called a tip into the police. 125 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: We don't know who it is, how they knew this, 126 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: because it was it's a very specific tip of where 127 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: a body is. They told the police there was a 128 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: shallow grave. I don't know if they said there's a 129 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: body or a grave, but they pointed the police in 130 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: the exact right location. This is a rural area and 131 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: what they found there is a shallow grave. I understand 132 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: that it is Churchill County. Is in Winston Churchill, Churchill County. 133 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: Now I'm trying to figure out, Wendy Patrick, what do 134 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: we know or Alexas Terrestrict anyone on the panel that 135 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: is familiar with that area Churchill County. From Fernley, Nevada, 136 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: where she went missing, to Churchill County, Nevada, it's about 137 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:23,479 Speaker 1: an hour and fifteen minutes, Okay, so pick it up there, Alexis, 138 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: you were in the middle of telling me about where 139 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: she was found, go ahead. So she was found in 140 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: Churchill County, which is almost sixty miles away from where 141 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: she went missing. She was found Churchill County. She went 142 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: missing in Fernley, Nevada, and it was found in Churchill County. 143 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: This is a rural county. Not even three thousand people 144 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: lived there. So somebody called in a tip about this 145 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: and led the police to her grave, not to her 146 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: in a house, her alive, unfortunately, to a grave what 147 00:10:54,160 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: they're calling a shallow grave. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 148 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: Teen girl Naomi Arion vanishes in the night where she's 149 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: sitting in a parked card in Nevada Walmart parking lot, 150 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 1: waiting for her ride to work at Panasonic. In the 151 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: last hours. A big development in the case of Naomi Arion, 152 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: found raped, shot dead, and buried out in the Nevada desert. 153 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: The alleged perp, forty two year old Troy driver, claims 154 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 1: he's incompetent. I don't buy that for a minute. For 155 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: those of you just joining us, this po s technical 156 00:11:54,520 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: legal term, has been found competent to stand trial. Now 157 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: we know few details on his competency. Evaluation considered private 158 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: medical information under HIPPA was filed with the court. But 159 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: here's the deal. When you use insanity or incompetency as 160 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:28,559 Speaker 1: a defense, those records typically are shared with the prosecutor 161 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: and are introduced in court. Now, maybe they used a 162 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: bench trial to determine competency, which means you just have 163 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: a judge. So we may never know what those medical 164 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: analyzes are. But I have tried incompetency cases, and you 165 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: have to listen to this. Not only does the prosecutor 166 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: have to try the murder case and all its scory 167 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: details for seeing Naomi's family to listen to all of that, 168 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: there has to be another trial for incompetency. Yes, a 169 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: trial within a trial before you even strike the jury 170 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: on guilt or innocence. Now, yeah, so you also have 171 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: to have a jury for an incompetency hearing a trial 172 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: unless you the defendant agrees to just do it with 173 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: a judge, and in that stage you hear everything the 174 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: defendant tells the shrink. Okay, that said, we don't have 175 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: our myths on the incompetency records, but we do know 176 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: a lot about forty two year old Troy Driver's actions 177 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: around the time of the murder and since what that 178 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: family had to go through the body of Naomi Erian 179 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: found renowned medical examiner joining us from the state of Florida. 180 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 1: Doctor Tim Gallagher, Lecturer, University Florida Medical School, Forensic Medicine. 181 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: I'm trying to determine ay how they identified her and 182 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: be if we can figure out a cause of death 183 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: after this time lapse, Doctor Gallagher, there are many ways 184 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: to identify a dead person. You don't have to have DNA. 185 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, when Gabby's body was found, 186 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: she was wearing a T shirt that her Gabby Potito, 187 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: that her parents immediately knew was hers. And we all 188 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: have certain identifying things that we wear. It could be 189 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: as simple as that. What are other ways other than DNA. Well, 190 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: that's a good way of a supporting piece of evidence 191 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: that would lend to somebody being identified, but it but 192 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: in order to identify somebody scientifically, it has to be 193 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: something that's part of their body. And things that are 194 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: part of their body could be a unique tattoo as 195 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: simple as that, or it could be a dental work 196 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: that they had done that is shown up on the 197 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: post more an X rays. There are also unique features 198 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: in the bones of the face. That if we take 199 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: an X ray of the remains and then we were 200 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: able to get an X ray of a person who 201 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: is alive, we can match the bones of the face. 202 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: You know, to you mean if she had had an 203 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: X ray in life, right, if she had an X 204 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: ray in life and we were able to acquire that 205 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: X ray and then compare it to the X ray 206 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: that we can before. If somebody had a broken leg 207 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: in life, and you find out this person has a 208 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: broken leg, this girl, to my knowledge, did not have 209 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: any tattoos or piercings other than in her ears, so 210 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: that wouldn't help. But you know what about the fact 211 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: that to doctor Tim Gallagher, for years, in decades, the 212 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: Red Cross and others have relied on field tests, immediate 213 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: field tests to determine identity. What is that The immediate 214 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: field test to identify identity often relies on what we 215 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: were talking about before, pre injuries. That could be the 216 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: repair of an injury. Sometimes they will put a metal 217 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: plate in the leg to fix it, and that metal 218 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: plate will have a serial number on it. We could 219 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: remove the plate, find the serial number, look that serial 220 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: number up and it'll tell us the doctor, the patient 221 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: and when it was placed inside that leg, and then 222 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: we could identify the person that way. The field identification 223 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: could be something as simple as stature. You know, is 224 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: this a male, is it a female? Is it an 225 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: old person? Is it a younger person? You know, the 226 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: Red Crust does do excellent work, but there they go 227 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: by an anatomical type of identification process, where the scientific 228 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: community now embraces a molecular or radiologic type of modality. 229 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: You know, somebody, what do you mean by the two 230 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: modalities to identify? You said radiologic in one other? Right, 231 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: So a DNA type of identity of molecular radiologic is 232 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: an X rays. That where you're saying DNA, I hear you. 233 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 1: So you got X rays, You got DNA, you have 234 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 1: on tattoos, you have clothing, you have teeth work, whether 235 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,479 Speaker 1: somebody had a cavity in the fifth grade, whether they 236 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 1: were bracest orthodontia, all of that can help identify someone 237 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: if you don't have DNA already. We know for a 238 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: fact Naomi Erian her remains have been found at what 239 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 1: has been described as a quote shallow grave. You know 240 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: that conjures up all sorts of images. Karen L. Smith 241 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 1: is joining me everyone at barebones forensic dot com. Karen 242 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:03,479 Speaker 1: a forensic X for Karen. When I hear shallow grave, 243 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 1: in my experience, that's two or three feet deep, Max, Yeah, 244 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: what does it mean to you? That's exactly right, one 245 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: foot to three feet Nancy, you know that tells me 246 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: so much about this crime. That implements were purchased beforehand, 247 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 1: There was premeditation, They had shovel. Okay, look, you know 248 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: you're the forensic expert. You've got explained to everybody. Why 249 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: you're saying that. I get you explain why? Well, you 250 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: know you have one or more perpetrators. If you have 251 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: a shallow grave, they're not going to get down on 252 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: their knees and dig it with their hands. They have 253 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: implements with them, whether it's a shovel or a rake 254 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 1: or a pickaxe or whatever it is. They have that 255 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: with them, which tells me it's almost like a murder kit. 256 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: This was pre planned, This was premeditated. They have to 257 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: dig that grave with something and then you know, put 258 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: a body in it. So that tells me everything about premeditation. Nancy, 259 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:59,360 Speaker 1: Karen Smith, that is an excellent point to dig even 260 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: a shallow grave, an implement is needed. However, in my mind, 261 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, this team girl could have been murdered and 262 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 1: then get the implement. First thing, they need to go 263 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: to all the walmarts, all the lows home depots feeding seeds. 264 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: It's a rural area, there could be one nearby. That's 265 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: an obvious choice to find out if anyone came in 266 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: and bought a shovel or anything they could use to 267 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: dig this hole. Right, I mean this guy might I'd 268 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: be driving around in his car with a shovel in 269 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 1: the back. That's exactly right. And thankfully, that's something you 270 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:42,439 Speaker 1: and I and know those have been using for years 271 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:45,959 Speaker 1: is looking at surveillance video, especially in a rural area 272 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 1: where you don't have a hundred stores to look at, 273 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: you have less, and especially when you haven't. I love 274 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: the murder kit. That's a great sound bite for what 275 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: you would need, sadly to dig this kind of a grave. 276 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 1: So that's white. And one of the the benefits of 277 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: doing that nowadays is when I started practicing law, the 278 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 1: graininess of the photos almost made it indistinguishable to try 279 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 1: to figure out who you can recognize what somebody is buying. 280 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: But nowadays that you have ways of really seeing what 281 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: we need to see to try to figure out who 282 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: might have bought this kit. And I have to say 283 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: this case really sort of makes us look at something 284 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: that you would think would be as safe as a 285 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: Walmart parking lot very differently, Karen L. Smith, There's so 286 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 1: much forensic evidence that can be learned gleaned from the site. 287 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: For instance, I believe he had to have lived either 288 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 1: in the Fernly area or the Churchill County area. I mean, 289 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: why would he go to that location? I mean, think 290 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: about Scott Peterson. He lived in the Modesto area, but 291 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: he disposed of Lacy's body at a spot familiar to him, 292 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: the San Francisco Bay, where he routinely went fishing. What 293 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: do you make of it and what if anything forensically 294 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: can't we learn from the side. I agree. You know, 295 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: you deal with these perpetrators and most often they will 296 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: stay in an area that is familiar to them. However 297 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: far away that might extend as far as the grave site. Nancy, 298 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: this is a desert location. You're dealing with either loose 299 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: dirt or hard compact dirt and clay. You've got shoeprints, 300 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: possible tire tracks. You know, sometimes these perps will dispose 301 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 1: of something like maybe a cigarette butt or a soda 302 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: can in the grave site. I found receipts in grave 303 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 1: sites that were disposed of with the body, and all 304 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: of those clues can lead back to the person who 305 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 1: did it. So they're going to have to sift through 306 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 1: every single speck of that grave site, which I'm sure 307 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,199 Speaker 1: they're doing. They use fine sifters, and they go scoop 308 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:51,479 Speaker 1: scoop by stoop, bucketful by bucketful, looking for bullet shell casing, 309 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: looking for small bones, looking for clothing items and jewelry, 310 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: and any other evidence that might have been the both 311 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: of In the last days, a judge has ruled prime 312 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: suspect in the murder of teen girl Naomi Erion, found raped, 313 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: shot and buried in a shallow grave in the desert 314 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 1: in Nevada. Prime suspect has been ruled competent to stand trial. 315 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: Now this is just a pit stop on his way 316 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: straight to h a double l I'll have a trial first, though, 317 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: but I mean with DNA evidence from the rape man. 318 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 1: Sorry to fight that. This murder rock the small town 319 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: of Fernley it's about thirty miles east of Reno. After 320 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: months of delay kicking rocks while forty two year old 321 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 1: Troy Driver claims he's incompetent, we now have a ruling 322 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: Troy Driver will be tried for murder. The whole case 323 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 1: is horrible. It's a tragedy. Right now, what can we do? 324 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 1: We can seek justice. Take a listen now to our 325 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: friend Brian Inton Naomi. She is an eighteen year old woman. 326 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: She is the daughter of a US diplomat. She lived 327 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 1: all over the world and recently moved here to Nevada 328 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: to live with her older brother because she wanted a 329 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 1: more normal life. She was used to living on these 330 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: American diplomatic compounds. She wanted to go to college, she 331 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: wanted to buy a car, she wanted to have a boyfriend. 332 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 1: And she was in the Walmart parking lot back on 333 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,679 Speaker 1: March twelfth when she was kidnapped. This young girl had 334 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: been very, very sheltered. According to what her mother, or Diana, 335 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 1: told us, they had lived all over the world, but 336 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: always within a very tightly knit diplomatic community, going to 337 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: certain schools to American school rules. She finally wanted to 338 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: live with her brother in America and be like quote 339 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: every other American teen. Guys, this is a girl that 340 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: has just graduated from high school. Just graduated from high school. 341 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: She was working a job at a Panasonic, a Panasonic 342 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: center where she actually would put on what looks like 343 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: a hazmat suit and put together build batteries for Panasonic. 344 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 1: She wanted the I guess, stereotypical life of an American teen, 345 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: and this is what happened. At five o'clock in the morning, 346 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: she has managed to get herself to a Walmart parking lot, 347 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 1: waiting on a shuttle bus to go to Panasonic. She's 348 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: sitting in her car, it's dark outside, She's playing on 349 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 1: Snapchat or Facebook or Insta and doesn't notice a man 350 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 1: stalking her. No one would have known had it not 351 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: been for the Walmart parking lot surveillance video. Listen to 352 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 1: our forensic ko Elo. Walmart had surveillance video and shared 353 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: it with Casey. Here's a snapshot of that video showing 354 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: the suspect. Casey says, the video shows this man getting 355 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: into Naomi's car and driving off with her in the 356 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 1: passenger seat. Once we found the footage, which appears to 357 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: be nondescript mail an average high average build, completely covered 358 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: up with a mask in the hood. That Walmart surveillance 359 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: a video was very very chilling to Alexis Tourez Chuck, 360 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 1: please describe it. So it's a Blackmart video. You can 361 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 1: see her, so you can see him, and he's kind 362 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: of pacing around the Walmart parking lot. It's five thirty 363 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 1: in the morning, remember that, So it's not late yet. 364 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 1: There are not a lot of people there. Actually, I'm 365 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: glad you brought that up, Alexis, because the Walmart video 366 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: shows that it's dark outside. And what almost broke my 367 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: heart as we learned that this little girl just graduated 368 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: from high school, but go and try to park under 369 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: a lance a street light in the Walmart parking a lot. 370 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: We've all seen them, because she thought it would be safer. 371 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut three. Our frenzy khouleft 372 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: not shared according to the family in a local TV interview, 373 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 1: is video of him forcing his way into her car. 374 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 1: This person did say or do something to Naomi to 375 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: make her move over from the driver's side to the 376 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: passenger's side. This wasn't chance. This was something that he 377 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 1: was thinking about and he was very suspicious looking. Grion's 378 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: four door sedan was later found in this industrial area, 379 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: where it was processed and from where authorities believed the 380 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: suspect may have driven away in this dark Chevy pickup. 381 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: Two days after Naomi disappears, her car is found. Take 382 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: a listen to our cut seven kolo. Two days after 383 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 1: Naomi disappeared, Lion County deputies found her car in the 384 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: industrial park and friendly. The Sheriff's office says evidence found 385 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,959 Speaker 1: in the car indicates criminal activity. Her family assumes that 386 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: because of what Naomi is not doing. So she's eighteen, 387 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 1: she's always on social media constantly, and she has not 388 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 1: been on social media since Saturday morning. To doctor Debbie Jaffee, 389 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 1: LAS psychologists joining us from Columbia University, Doctor Debbie, We've 390 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: talked many times about routine evidence, which is not to 391 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: say typical, It is evidence of routine behavioral evidence. The 392 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: fact that this girl went dark on social media with 393 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: significant to her mother and rightly so. Yeah, if there 394 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: is something a person engages in regularly, enjoys it and 395 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: then stops without any warning or indication, why Yeah, the 396 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: mother was put on in hearing her alarm bells go off. 397 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: Lovely you know, Winny passion. We have analyzed criminal behavior 398 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: thousands countless times. What do you make of the purpose behavior? 399 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: As he stood and stared at her car and her 400 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: sitting there in the dark under the parking lot light, 401 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: just tapping away on snapchat? What do you make of that? 402 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: Had he seen her before? Why was he in the 403 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: parking lot at five o'clock in the morning. You know, 404 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: in a word, I think it goes to premeditation. What 405 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: it shows is him thinking, strategizing, planning, plotting, looking at 406 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: that vulnerability that people have when they're tied to their phones, 407 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: whether they're on social media or making a call. He 408 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: took advantage of that level of distraction to make his move. 409 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: So it really looks like it wasn't random. He saw 410 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: a vulnerable victim and he went in for the kill. 411 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: It may have been dark outside, but thankfully there was 412 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: at least enough light that we can argue he knew 413 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: what he was looking at, knew what he was doing, 414 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: and probably knew what he planned to do. Karen Smith, 415 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: you're the forensics expert. Way in this is what I'm hearing, Nancy. 416 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: You have a primary crime scene in her car. That 417 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: is the primary crime scene. They say they found evidence 418 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: of a struggle or evidence of something horrible that happened 419 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: in the car that tells me it's blood. Then you 420 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: have the car found at this paint manufacturing company. Okay, 421 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: whoa wait, right, you're right hold on. They absolutely said 422 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 1: at the beginning, there's evans in the car that convinces 423 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: us this is of a criminal nature. French, she didn't 424 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: just meet a guy and take off, That's right. Your 425 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,959 Speaker 1: assumption is that it's blood, Well, it would have to 426 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: be something visible or something that could be detected. Did 427 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: with luminole or how about if her car was simply 428 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: in disarrayting Okay, so that's a good possibility had been 429 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: a struggle. Absolutely, let's go there. What I was gonna 430 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: say was you have a secondary crime scene in this 431 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: pickup truck. Was that parked there strategically so that this 432 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: perpetrator could use that to haul her body fifty six 433 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 1: miles to the burial site? This was definitely premeditated. This 434 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 1: wasn't something off the cuff, Nancy. Well, another thing is 435 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: it's been said he walked up from a homeless encampment. 436 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: But I don't think this guy was homeless. And I'll 437 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: tell you why, because he had access to another vehicle 438 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: after he ditches her car at an industrial park, which 439 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: I find significant too. He knew to go to an 440 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: industrial park or her car would not be noticed for 441 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: a couple of days, and it wasn't, and he had 442 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: access to another car. A homeless person does not have 443 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: access to a pickup truck. I agree one hundred percent. 444 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 1: This is not a homeless person. This is somebody who 445 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: has planned this. And I don't know if he was 446 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 1: stalking her, if it was a you know, spur of 447 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: the moment saying as far as him watching for someone 448 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: or a young girl period, I don't know what in 449 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: the world could he have said to her to make 450 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: her move over. I don't under maybe threatened her with 451 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: a gun. Absolutely he had some kind of implement, whether 452 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: it was a gun, a knife, the implication that he 453 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,719 Speaker 1: had a weapon with him. You know, I don't know 454 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: how big this man is, but if you know a 455 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: girl and you have a man threatening you or saying 456 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 1: something to you, or displaying a weapon to you, that's 457 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: where my mind goes. Time stories with Nancy Grace, Even 458 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 1: in death, Naomi Erion will always be one person's little 459 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: sister talking about Tammy Cartwright, Naomi's sister who has waited 460 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: and waited and waited for justice ever since her sister, 461 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 1: Naomi was found murdered in a shallow grave in the 462 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 1: Nevada desert. No more happy conversations on the phone, no 463 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: more trips to them all, no more dinners together around 464 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: the supper table. Naomi's would be nineteenth birthday came and 465 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: passed in July. She will forever be remembered as eighteen. Meanwhile, 466 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: forty two year old Troy Driver is now going to 467 00:32:55,600 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: trial accused of sex assault and murder after Naomi's body 468 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 1: found in that shallow grave in Churchill County. After a 469 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: let me just say battle over incompetency, a judge has 470 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: ruled Driver will go to trial regarding the death of Naomi. 471 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 1: Erion this as Naomi's family shares photos with us of 472 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: a desert memorial. Can you even imagine instead of planning 473 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: your daughter's graduation or Christmas presence under the tree, Naomi's 474 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: family is sharing new photos on social media of the 475 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: area where her body was found, where a memorial now stands. 476 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 1: They say, quote, today we went where Naomi was found 477 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 1: deep and this horrible desert. They had to drive sixty 478 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,959 Speaker 1: five miles on a normal road, then twenty five more 479 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: miles deeper into the desert to find the location. That 480 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 1: shallow grave site is there near Cole Canyon Road, northeast 481 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:30,720 Speaker 1: of Fallon in Churchill County. Nam's dad sharing a photo 482 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: of a cross with Naomi's name on it on a 483 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: tree in the Walmart parking lot where she was kidnapped. 484 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 1: Have you ever been driving down the interstate and you 485 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,839 Speaker 1: see where somebody's put across and there's flowers on it 486 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 1: where someone lost their life in a traffic accident. You 487 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: can presume. Can you imagine that's what these parents are 488 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: left with their teen girl dead, according to prosecutors, raped, 489 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: shot and buried by Troy Driver. Take a listen to 490 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,280 Speaker 1: our cut twenty six our friends at Inside Edition. Forty 491 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: one year old Troy Driver was arrested and charged with 492 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 1: kidnapping by the Lion County Sheriff's Office. Police released video 493 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: of the suspect they believe got in her car and 494 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 1: left the morning of March twelfth. They also released images 495 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 1: of the vehicle they believe he was driving. Authorities say 496 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 1: they have also located the pickup truck they believe was 497 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,840 Speaker 1: leaving the scene where Naomi's car was later found. Forty 498 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 1: one year old con that's right, he's a felon Troy 499 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: driver to Lance video picked him up leaving with her 500 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:46,799 Speaker 1: from that industrial park. Does it show him struggling with her? 501 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: Does it show him with a gun to her back? 502 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 1: How did he get her from her car into a truck? 503 00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:01,760 Speaker 1: Was she already dead? How have they linked him Troy 504 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: driver too her? Is it because of his car too? 505 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,399 Speaker 1: Alexis Tsche joining us from crime online dot Com. What 506 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,360 Speaker 1: do we know about forty one year old Troy driver? 507 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 1: So what we know is he has just finished serving 508 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,839 Speaker 1: a fifteen year sentence for murder that he committed when 509 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 1: he was seventeen years old. So he has had a 510 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,760 Speaker 1: lifetime of crime. In fact, so when he was seventeen 511 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 1: years old, he was sentenced for a murder of a 512 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: mass dealer, and he also pleaded guilty to three charges 513 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 1: a second degree robbery of a Circle Kay convenience store 514 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: and a Chevron service station, as well as breaking into 515 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 1: a hardware store. So this location where he committed this 516 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 1: time where he kidnapped Naomi and the murder her is 517 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,320 Speaker 1: very well known to him because this is where he 518 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 1: started off his life of crime, so he knows that 519 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 1: these are vulnerable areas. Are you talking about the Walmart 520 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,400 Speaker 1: parking lot near Fearnley or are you talking about Churchill 521 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,799 Speaker 1: County the Walmart parking lot. I'm also curious where he 522 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 1: did his time. I wonder if that was near where 523 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,319 Speaker 1: her body was found. I mean, I'm trying to get 524 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 1: it evidence, That's what I'm talking about it. Did he 525 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,760 Speaker 1: kill her in Churchill County? Did he kill her before 526 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 1: she was even taken out of her car? Did he 527 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,239 Speaker 1: take her somewhere and torture or rape her? Is there 528 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:30,319 Speaker 1: evidence there? I'm looking at a conviction, the possibility of 529 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 1: convicting this guy isn't him? How do we know it's him? 530 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 1: Regarding his criminal history, take a listen to our friend 531 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 1: Paul Nelson katv in two. He served time in prison 532 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 1: for his role in nineteen ninety seven murder in Willits, California. 533 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 1: Driver was just seventeen at the time. According to old articles, 534 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 1: he pleaded guilty to accessory to murder after the fact 535 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 1: and a string of robberies. A judge sentenced him to 536 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 1: fifteen years in prison. But he may have only he 537 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,719 Speaker 1: may have been released after or after twelve years. The 538 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,240 Speaker 1: suspect of Naomi Erion's kidnapping is in the Lyon County Jail. 539 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,839 Speaker 1: According to the Yucaia Daily Journal, Troy Driver served time 540 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 1: in prison for helping cover up a murder in nineteen 541 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 1: ninety seven. It says he helped put the body of 542 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,280 Speaker 1: an alleged drug dealer in a car trunk, then dumped 543 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,719 Speaker 1: him in the woods. It is upsetting to me that 544 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,840 Speaker 1: there's people out here in the general public that have 545 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,759 Speaker 1: these capabilities, with this kind of past. The forty one 546 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,440 Speaker 1: year old was arrested Friday in Fallon and as Chevy 547 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,800 Speaker 1: pickup was impounded for evidence. Valley doesn't expect him to 548 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,839 Speaker 1: tell detectives where Erion is. I would just try to 549 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 1: relate to him as someone that also has family and 550 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,719 Speaker 1: asked him to put himself in our shoes. Well, apparently 551 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 1: that didn't work. This guy's been on the pen before. 552 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 1: He is not going to tell where the body is. However, 553 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,879 Speaker 1: a tipster calls in and the remains of this teen 554 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,480 Speaker 1: girl just out of high school have been found. Now 555 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,799 Speaker 1: I just learned a lot. I want to go to 556 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,880 Speaker 1: Karen Smith. We know he's already put one victim in 557 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,400 Speaker 1: his last go around, after a string of robberies and 558 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,920 Speaker 1: a murder. Being involved in a murder, he puts the 559 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,960 Speaker 1: victim in a car trunk and then dumps the body 560 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 1: in the woods. You know what, That's what I call 561 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:23,720 Speaker 1: a similar transaction, transporting a homicide victim in a vehicle 562 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 1: and then dumping the body like it's trash out of 563 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 1: some remote location. Same thing here, right, And he escalated 564 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 1: because now it was a shallow grave, Nancy, it wasn't 565 00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 1: just dumping it in the woods. Now he's trying to 566 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,319 Speaker 1: cover up his crime. This is not foreign to him. 567 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,839 Speaker 1: He's a monster. You know. The forensics, as far as 568 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,400 Speaker 1: I'm concerned, we have the linkage principle, the victim, the 569 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 1: crime scene, to the suspect, and you link those three things. 570 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:58,280 Speaker 1: Touch DNA blood stains his truck. No to doctor Debbie Joffe, Ella, psychologist, professor, 571 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:03,960 Speaker 1: Columbia University and author, Doctor Debbie, you'd think after a 572 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:09,920 Speaker 1: guy has done time hard jail time, being implicated in 573 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,520 Speaker 1: a murder and a string of robberies, that he would 574 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:18,800 Speaker 1: do anything not to go back to jail. Right. Sounds 575 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,399 Speaker 1: highly likely? Yep, Nancy, Okay, I was expecting a little 576 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,279 Speaker 1: bit more from you other than yep, something like the 577 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,360 Speaker 1: thinking that goes into the mind of a career criminal. 578 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,799 Speaker 1: How they're not worried about going back to jail. Their 579 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,360 Speaker 1: idea of my plan not going back to jail is 580 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,439 Speaker 1: don't get caught, instead of I'm not going to break 581 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:43,520 Speaker 1: the law. Okay, two right, So why wouldn't the plan 582 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,719 Speaker 1: be I'm going to get a job, I'm not going 583 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:48,960 Speaker 1: to go back to jail, so help me God in 584 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:53,080 Speaker 1: Heaven instead of Wow, when I kidnapped this girl and 585 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 1: rapier murder her, how can I not get caught and 586 00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:01,960 Speaker 1: go back to jail? Why? Apparently, Well, one possibility would 587 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:07,480 Speaker 1: be the urge to do what he did is more 588 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:12,719 Speaker 1: dominant than any tendency to think things through regarding avoiding this, 589 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:20,520 Speaker 1: that or the other. Obviously, the thrill or the potential 590 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:28,360 Speaker 1: satisfaction he thought he would feel blinded him from thinking 591 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:33,840 Speaker 1: things through about being caught, not caught, avoiding not avoiding. 592 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:38,400 Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfalls, and don't you worry, driver, 593 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,560 Speaker 1: We'll be on the front row of that murder trial. 594 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,640 Speaker 1: To those of you listening, goodbye, friend,