Speaker 1: Watch up and welcome back to another episode of No
Speaker 1: Sinners Podcast with your host. Now, fuck that with your
Speaker 1: loaw glasses, Malone.
Speaker 2: Why do you have that little ass cup.
Speaker 3: Man, because that's how these are supposed to be consumed.
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, in that little cup.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't pour big glasses of Cuban coffee. They
Speaker 3: come like at the restaurant. They give you this little
Speaker 3: styrofoam thing, and they give you a stack of even
Speaker 3: smaller plastic cups, like the size of big thimbles, and
Speaker 3: people pour it.
Speaker 2: Into the thimble from the other.
Speaker 3: They go from smaller, the smaller to smaller.
Speaker 1: But why does it matter the size of the actual
Speaker 1: drinking you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: The cup?
Speaker 3: I have no idea, probably because you aren't supposed to
Speaker 3: drink the whole thing at once.
Speaker 2: But oh wow, what and what what's that you're drinking? Again?
Speaker 3: This is a This a Cuban coffee. They call him
Speaker 3: a colada down here everywhere else to call him Cuban coffee.
Speaker 1: Man, I just almost let the internet pissed me off
Speaker 1: as some real life homies.
Speaker 2: What man? All that it almost got me?
Speaker 1: So you know, all of this stuff happened with obviously
Speaker 1: welded and dragon shit, m so.
Speaker 3: Hear something about that.
Speaker 1: So one of the live streams we did, like I
Speaker 1: was talking about Jake Cole, right, and I was explaining
Speaker 1: like I didn't like how he reframed what happened during
Speaker 1: that situation.
Speaker 3: Yes, what could describe it as very Palestinian?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't even know if it's why would be Palestinian?
Speaker 2: Help me?
Speaker 4: Because he lost the attack and it ran out, say
Speaker 4: he wanted to cease fire before they shot back, But.
Speaker 1: That's not fair the Palestinians then launching attack, right, But
Speaker 1: wouldn't that specifically be that group of people that launched
Speaker 1: the attack?
Speaker 2: Are you saying that group of people represent the.
Speaker 4: People the Hamas outfit both launched the attack and advocated
Speaker 4: for a ceasefire, like not simultaneously.
Speaker 1: But you don't think we got to be more responsible
Speaker 1: and make sure we separate Hamas from the Palestinian people
Speaker 1: because aren't.
Speaker 2: They like more of a collective group of people.
Speaker 4: They're like ninety percent supportive of it and they don't
Speaker 4: push back against it.
Speaker 1: But how could they push back against it if they
Speaker 1: can't push back even against what's going on in Israel?
Speaker 3: Israel is a very powerful military, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So even Palestinians, if they can't push back against.
Speaker 1: Palestine, I mean Israel for all of the stuff happening,
Speaker 1: how could they push back on Hamas to a degree?
Speaker 3: Because Hamas is small, they're low, cool, they're that would
Speaker 3: be a much easier thing to topple.
Speaker 4: They afford them carte blanche to use all their homes
Speaker 4: and businesses as.
Speaker 2: That's irresponsible, Pete. That's that's yeah.
Speaker 3: People all the time. People do that all the time,
Speaker 3: and they steal all their food, they steal all their money,
Speaker 3: been robbing them blind for twenty years.
Speaker 1: But just because maybe let's say that they may get
Speaker 1: bullied or punked by anybody, don't mean that they necessarily
Speaker 1: are in alignment with Hamas or Israel.
Speaker 2: Even though Hamas could be made up of Palestinian people.
Speaker 4: They're a polling out. Let's say they have like eighty
Speaker 4: nine percent support of Mohammas.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's a pole, Pete. There's like the reality of it.
Speaker 3: What's okay, Well, what evidential reality is there to the contrary?
Speaker 2: But that's not there.
Speaker 1: But that you can't allow narrative to shift how humans
Speaker 1: feel because because just listen, Pete, you can't, like Palestinian
Speaker 1: people have a reputation at that point in that place
Speaker 1: to not really have a way in a fight with
Speaker 1: everybody else. They don't really fight. They couldn't even fight
Speaker 1: Israel from taking over the country, let alone fight Harmas,
Speaker 1: who you know is willing.
Speaker 3: To use real weapons to Palestinians.
Speaker 1: It's not all Palestinian, but it is some Palestinian people.
Speaker 1: But and it's loose to say that that's a representation
Speaker 1: of that complete place. Like I get the concept, but
Speaker 1: to some degree, you can't make it like this is
Speaker 1: Israel versus Palestine. It's not because other than that, then
Speaker 1: you're saying Palestinian people are misleading other human beings by
Speaker 1: complaining saying this is not our agenda, because it's Palatina
Speaker 1: people coming out saying that this is not their agenda.
Speaker 3: But that's a minority of Palestinian people, No, that's the majority.
Speaker 1: You don't see most of them coming up fighting a
Speaker 1: war with Harmas because Hamas wouldn't be small if that
Speaker 1: was the case, mans would be huge.
Speaker 3: No, because Palastin's small.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but even if Palestine is small, there's still the
Speaker 1: number of Hamas would be the Hama's number would be bigger,
Speaker 1: it would be more if it was like that was
Speaker 1: their military or the infantry. And it's really gotta be
Speaker 1: loose when you phrased that, like you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because they're not the military. That's not the military of
Speaker 1: Palestinian people.
Speaker 4: It's a group of it's a it's a military branch
Speaker 4: of an elected body of an autonomous state that was
Speaker 4: given political autonomy twenty five years ago. They elected them, yes, yes, yes, yeah,
Speaker 4: but yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes they voted and
Speaker 4: then elected them into office.
Speaker 2: Yeah but you said twenty five years ago versus what
Speaker 2: it is today.
Speaker 3: This has been going on since that time.
Speaker 2: No, it has not, big Gordo, since that time.
Speaker 1: Pete, you can't make so you're saying there's a so
Speaker 1: you're so you really think fucking Israel is fighting Palestine
Speaker 1: right now?
Speaker 2: Is that what you think is happening?
Speaker 4: Define Palestine Palestine's fictitious concept concept.
Speaker 2: It wasn't a fictitious concept fucking hundred years ago. Yeah
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 4: They've never been their own country in two thousand years,
Speaker 4: they've never been their own place.
Speaker 2: So what were they before? They were just a.
Speaker 3: Tribe they're like the courage before Israel.
Speaker 1: Before before European came and colonized and said this is
Speaker 1: what a country was.
Speaker 2: What was it before that?
Speaker 4: They were Egypt. They were it wasn't Egypt, Yes it was. No, yes,
Speaker 4: it absolutely was.
Speaker 2: So Palestine on the map has never been It's always
Speaker 2: has been Egypt. So they took it was it was
Speaker 2: it was the.
Speaker 3: King of the Jews. They're evils, right, So let.
Speaker 2: Me get this right. So you're saying they took Egypt
Speaker 2: from Egyptians and made it Israel.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the British, with the British geopolitical arm and leverage
Speaker 4: via the Suez Canal.
Speaker 3: That was that was negotiated consumer however the hell they
Speaker 3: did that. But yes, that was me you know how.
Speaker 4: From Turkey and or not. I'm sorry, Jordan and Palestine
Speaker 4: was part of Egypt. It was never its own autonomous country.
Speaker 2: Stop stop again when you said it.
Speaker 1: So you saying that they took Egypt from Egyptians and
Speaker 1: gave it to Israel, Like, I get the colonization idea
Speaker 1: of what the rest of the world recognizes as a country.
Speaker 1: Like that's a very white thing to do, right, I
Speaker 1: get it, because that's how everything is fractured, right, it's
Speaker 1: important to establish that right, just like this country or
Speaker 1: any other country.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 1: The concept of European thoughts saying we decide what the
Speaker 1: country was not versus when you know, what's obvious that
Speaker 1: this is the land of people. Right, So you're saying,
Speaker 1: they took it from Egypt and gave it to and
Speaker 1: they gave it to Israel was happy to see it
Speaker 1: go because it wasn't fucking Egyptians.
Speaker 3: There was when it strategically benefited them.
Speaker 1: No, no, give talking about the European perspective of how
Speaker 1: people see land and ownership control touchdown there. I'm telling
Speaker 1: you Europe is a part of why it became Israel
Speaker 1: in the first place. It was Israel before the Caliphate
Speaker 1: drove them out, regardless of whatever it was. I'm saying,
Speaker 1: you cannot deny that that place was inhabited by this
Speaker 1: specific tribe and it was looked at as.
Speaker 2: The land of this tribe. What are you'all talking about?
Speaker 1: P Irresponsibly, Israel is fighting Palestine versus Israel is fighting
Speaker 1: a specific.
Speaker 2: Arm of people who are road agents of the agenda
Speaker 2: of Palestine.
Speaker 1: It's like saying, if somebody here was fighting some specific group,
Speaker 1: the good Boys, the Proud Boys, and they was fighting America.
Speaker 2: It's just not true.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they don't have sway in government. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying they don't even have people like I'm not
Speaker 1: even invested over overtly in the history. But I also
Speaker 1: understand simple thing right, like, minus the public narrative of
Speaker 1: Israel support of Palistine support, it's obvious this is not
Speaker 1: the entire idea of the spirit.
Speaker 2: Of Palestine Palestinian people.
Speaker 1: I saw the polls where they say Palatinians are favor
Speaker 1: but again, these are people that back certain people to
Speaker 1: even root for that thought. So I don't Again, I
Speaker 1: just think it's it's room.
Speaker 3: But for conjecture, and how would you define it?
Speaker 2: Israel fighting Hamas like America is not fighting.
Speaker 4: How big is that delta between what is Hamas and
Speaker 4: what is their massive civilian support which they exploit carb
Speaker 4: Blanche throughout the region.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you said no pushback and no disagreement.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they didn't even push back against what Israel
Speaker 1: took over the land itself.
Speaker 2: They're obviously they're not the fighting people.
Speaker 3: I mean, they've kind of fought like multiple wars since
Speaker 3: that time.
Speaker 1: If you call that a war, don't look pretty war
Speaker 1: ristic to me. They don't have anywhere near the equipment
Speaker 1: to fight these fight.
Speaker 3: Oh they kind of did in sixty seven.
Speaker 1: Even then, it's not even that type of Obviously they
Speaker 1: didn't even have enough to fight that kind of war
Speaker 1: or this type of war.
Speaker 2: That's just not their theme. But it's not Israel versus Palestine.
Speaker 2: It's not none of that.
Speaker 1: Like Pete, look, cuz one thing, I don't really do
Speaker 1: politics because there's a very Eurocentric view of how everything goes.
Speaker 1: Bro there's a very fucking pale view because of how
Speaker 1: everything goes I don't want.
Speaker 2: To be a part of the view of anti the
Speaker 2: establishment nor the establishment.
Speaker 1: I'm not really good at either, or like there's a
Speaker 1: real humane view of all of this that really should
Speaker 1: be the conversation, because somehow it becomes people that's, oh,
Speaker 1: they're victims, or people that's like, oh, they're aggressive versus
Speaker 1: what's happening. It's obviously Hamas is not the desire of
Speaker 1: the complete body of Palestinian people, no different than any
Speaker 1: other thing. But they're also not The military of Palistine
Speaker 1: Palestine cannot tell Hammon what to do. The body of them.
Speaker 1: They're gonna make their own decisions. And it's no different
Speaker 1: in America. We couldn't tell the military what to do, right,
Speaker 1: we couldn't tell the president what to do. We could
Speaker 1: the thought of voting and democracy carries that. But then
Speaker 1: again it's people still doing what they want to do.
Speaker 1: But I just think it's really irresponsible if we say
Speaker 1: that this is some kind of military arm of these people.
Speaker 2: It's not.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that that group of people is not
Speaker 1: they don't have Palestine people within it. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that it's Some people even agree with them fighting a
Speaker 1: fight that they would love to fight. But it's obvious
Speaker 1: that this is not as simple as Israel versus Palestine.
Speaker 1: This is not as simple as the Jewish people versus
Speaker 1: the Muslim people. It's much more complex, much more nuanced,
Speaker 1: and much more layered. Yes you did, No, I didn't
Speaker 1: you know you took that. You took that statement around with.
Speaker 2: No Israel and Palestine. That's not what's happening.
Speaker 1: It's Israel versus Hamas, and that matters even because again, dog.
Speaker 2: Like we are in uh, We're in the world bro
Speaker 2: where it's way more sheeps than ever before.
Speaker 1: And this is to Steal's point, why we even you know,
Speaker 1: the conversation started where programming is everything. So what we
Speaker 1: tell people is how they're going to be programmed right,
Speaker 1: because we just got to accept most people.
Speaker 2: Don't have the time, the.
Speaker 1: Luxury, none of that to formulate thought based off of
Speaker 1: them taking in information like me or you, that they
Speaker 1: just don't have the time, they don't have the focus.
Speaker 1: Why they don't have to focus. We could blame a
Speaker 1: thousand things. We could blame genetics, we could blame God,
Speaker 1: we could blame America, we can blame a million things.
Speaker 1: But we know, as Shepherd's this is our job. This
Speaker 1: is for sure our job to really gi she some
Speaker 1: level of thought. I mean to hopefully get them to
Speaker 1: use somewhere of their brains. That that would be the
Speaker 1: goal for this podcast. This podcast ain't about making money,
Speaker 1: because if that was the case, I would bring on apps.
Speaker 1: So I would bring on Kendrick Lamar, I'll bring on
Speaker 1: anybody like I would bring on the biggest people. Like
Speaker 1: if I felt that you should, you should bring them
Speaker 1: the biggest people. But that's because everything for you is money.
Speaker 5: No, this podcast is for money. Go tell Charlamagne that
Speaker 5: you're doing this podcast.
Speaker 2: For no money. He knew that I was not doing
Speaker 2: it for money.
Speaker 5: You have to do that's business. You have to do
Speaker 5: it show for money. You just can't do it show
Speaker 5: just because you say, now, if you had a sad
Speaker 5: little project that you was doing. I think everything in
Speaker 5: this company, everything is online, is about commerce.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 2: Still, let me tell you something, brother, forgive me some
Speaker 2: big bro. Just listen to me right now.
Speaker 1: I didn't done really good in this life, better than
Speaker 1: most people, period, by being authentically what I believe in.
Speaker 1: You can't wake up one day and convince me that
Speaker 1: I should do anything for money that makes you a prostitute.
Speaker 2: So if I.
Speaker 5: Just listen, just listen.
Speaker 1: If I wanted did this podcast for money still, I
Speaker 1: would have never did it. If I didn't think there
Speaker 1: was a true agenda, a true reason to do this pod,
Speaker 1: I would have never did it. If I wanted to
Speaker 1: make money still, I go sell fucking dope. I know
Speaker 1: how to cook PCP. If that's what I'm doing for money,
Speaker 1: every song I make it ain't for money. I'm really
Speaker 1: trying to disseminate a message that's important to me. I
Speaker 1: don't have no songs that are You don't hear me
Speaker 1: got no songs about I'm drinking all the liquor in
Speaker 1: the club because I don't fucking drink. You don't hear
Speaker 1: me talking about no songs I'm smoking all the weed.
Speaker 1: I got a song about smoke weed, the whole song
Speaker 1: about smoking weed. Because those are the things that I
Speaker 1: could make for money.
Speaker 5: Whatever would be disingenuine because you don't do none of
Speaker 5: those things.
Speaker 2: So this would be disingenuous.
Speaker 1: So if I bring people that I feel like, don't
Speaker 1: necessarily validate the reason Pete is here, because this is
Speaker 1: one of the most intelligent people I talk to. Even
Speaker 1: he's far more educated, even on a lot of GEO
Speaker 1: is socio like issues, more than me. But again, the
Speaker 1: ability to understand what he's saying is why he is here.
Speaker 1: His ability to listen is whyse here, not his ability
Speaker 1: to talk.
Speaker 2: So, no steal. It ain't about no fucking money, and
Speaker 2: it ain't nothing never counting, no nigga chasing no money
Speaker 2: but death or prisons.
Speaker 5: But the thing is, you can't do nothing to chase money.
Speaker 5: But at the end of the day, everything is about
Speaker 5: making money, bro. And I'm not saying this right or wrong. No,
Speaker 5: hear me out on this.
Speaker 2: iHeart gives it.
Speaker 5: I heeart as us under contract. Right, we have a contract,
Speaker 5: we get to guarantee with that contract. After a while,
Speaker 5: with that contract being said that they're not making the money, dog,
Speaker 5: they gonna tell us to kick rocks. But listen to
Speaker 5: what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Get me out.
Speaker 5: I understand what you're saying to a degree. If you
Speaker 5: are great at what you do, money will invariably be
Speaker 5: the result of it. Because I don't think I go
Speaker 5: out and chase nothing just strictly for a dollar, because
Speaker 5: it's a lot of stuff I good do. It's a
Speaker 5: lot of information I have that that's true. I got
Speaker 5: receipts on certain stuff. If I really want to make
Speaker 5: money and just be one of these messy motherfuckers, I
Speaker 5: could probably go out and do that. But everything in
Speaker 5: this world bro is pretty much based on money. From
Speaker 5: That's what we're talking about to day. The college education system,
Speaker 5: education period, education today is an economic institution. It's not
Speaker 5: based on getting nobody smarter. It's not based on preparing
Speaker 5: you for the real world. If it was, it would
Speaker 5: be way different. You think about it. If you go
Speaker 5: to college right first, thing you do. When you go
Speaker 5: to college. They tell you what you have to take
Speaker 5: your general education courses. Right, yeah, shit that you've already
Speaker 5: taken in high school. You got to go take another
Speaker 5: math class, you gotta take English, you have to take
Speaker 5: a foreign language or whatever else. I ain't been in
Speaker 5: college in a while, but yeah, soon you're still the same.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you going to college to you go to
Speaker 5: college to prepare you to go get a job, to go,
Speaker 5: prepare you for a place in the world. Right, colleges
Speaker 5: became one. Yeah, you go to college to prepare yourself
Speaker 5: for the real world, make a living. Well, well, I
Speaker 5: don't know what you go to college for, but that's
Speaker 5: what everybody else going for. Bro let me finish my
Speaker 5: point because.
Speaker 2: You interrupted me.
Speaker 1: I know, but it's important that and this is what
Speaker 1: I'm saying to peak. Right, just hold that point. Just
Speaker 1: think that point. Go ahead, Pete, I'm sorry, just hold
Speaker 1: that point still. I think how we misuse things, we
Speaker 1: actually blame other people for that. You know why you
Speaker 1: should go to college to get an education.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you get an education for what? In education
Speaker 2: in order to do what?
Speaker 1: That's not the point. See how you start to kind
Speaker 1: of the human mind. Right, and this is the level
Speaker 1: of why we talk about business. And go ahead to
Speaker 1: your point. But that's the point I wanted to make
Speaker 1: college get education, But go ahead, finished.
Speaker 2: If we were living in like.
Speaker 5: A time when all the great philosophers were and they
Speaker 5: used to go around the pantheon or whatever man in
Speaker 5: the coliseum and you know, philosophiers or whatever. That's one
Speaker 5: thing I think people go get an education so they
Speaker 5: could you know, live their life.
Speaker 2: They can make it, you know, a meaningful living rights.
Speaker 5: Most people go to college and get the education that
Speaker 5: make a living and put them ahead of everyone else.
Speaker 5: So when they had the resume. You know, of course,
Speaker 5: if you have that you went to Stanford on your resume,
Speaker 5: you want to know the dame or as see, you're
Speaker 5: probably gonna do better than the person that don't have
Speaker 5: that same education as you. Right, That don't make you
Speaker 5: no smarter. But I tell people all the time to
Speaker 5: meet college is a big waste of time right now,
Speaker 5: and I've changed my mind on that, and just in
Speaker 5: the last maybe five six years. People go to school now,
Speaker 5: like the last few years, I've been slowly leaning towards
Speaker 5: that because I told all my kids they go to
Speaker 5: college because you know it's going to help you be
Speaker 5: successful in life. Right, You don't go to college to
Speaker 5: learn shit, no more. You go to college to go
Speaker 5: and get in debt. Most people go to college to
Speaker 5: become a lawyer or unless you're going for some specific
Speaker 5: like you want to become a doctor, you want to
Speaker 5: become a lawyer. But something like that, it's almost like
Speaker 5: a waste of time because you're going to.
Speaker 4: Come out and dick it's hyperinflationary real quick before we
Speaker 4: pivot off.
Speaker 2: Glasses.
Speaker 4: How like, just from a philosophical standpoint, how do you
Speaker 4: navigate that kind of separation of the line between doing
Speaker 4: something for money and like providing an audience or a
Speaker 4: greater audience more of what it is that they're looking
Speaker 4: for as like a customer. Like you remember the movie
Speaker 4: Joe Dirt with where he had the friend who was
Speaker 4: selling sparklers in the middle of the desert and then
Speaker 4: he told him you need all the zippy dews and
Speaker 4: all the big fireworks.
Speaker 3: He made all the money sell the bigger fireworks. Like,
Speaker 3: how do you navigate that scenario in your own perspective?
Speaker 1: In that regard, I stick to what I believe in
Speaker 1: and I never really is only as much wiggle room.
Speaker 1: First off, this is no siblings jail, my boy, my
Speaker 1: brother Pete in the house, my big brother still in
Speaker 1: the house, family affair.
Speaker 2: I allow very little.
Speaker 1: Minimum room when it comes to morally what I'm about, Like,
Speaker 1: this is the point I was saying to you initially,
Speaker 1: right like almost let the Internet get me upset at
Speaker 1: my real life homies, right where I was saying to you.
Speaker 1: We talked about the whole thing with J Cole, and
Speaker 1: I said exactly what Daylight told me, Like this is
Speaker 1: what Daylight said to me.
Speaker 2: Now again, I never doubled down on the fact that I.
Speaker 1: Thought J Cole wrote that song as a distant Kendrick,
Speaker 1: I said, based off the information, it's a possibility that
Speaker 1: they told me. But the second point I said was regardless,
Speaker 1: even if he didn't write it as a disc, he
Speaker 1: knew it could be tooken as a disc, right, It
Speaker 1: could be tooken as a this if you put it
Speaker 1: next to a you know, a song that's on that project,
Speaker 1: that's a disc, right, which is seven minute drill. And
Speaker 1: so Absol shout out to my little bro ass. So
Speaker 1: he did an interview with Head and he told the story,
Speaker 1: and obviously the fans don't listen to context. Like they
Speaker 1: hear one point and they grasp it, right, that's the
Speaker 1: sheep in them.
Speaker 2: They just grab it. They didn't hear that.
Speaker 1: I gave you two alternatives, and I said, what make
Speaker 1: J Cole a piece of shit was the fact that
Speaker 1: even if he didn't mean this as a disc right,
Speaker 1: minus what Daylight told me, minus what anybody told me, right, even.
Speaker 2: If he didn't mean it as a disc, he knew
Speaker 2: it could be taking as such.
Speaker 1: And it's messy to put his friends, which is ab
Speaker 1: so in Daylight, you know, as a companion, as a
Speaker 1: tde associate on a project where you dis sen Kendrick Lamar.
Speaker 1: That was the whole context of what I said. That Like,
Speaker 1: that's what I said, exactly, that complete thing. But they
Speaker 1: hear in one specific place and then a Glass, Oh
Speaker 1: you see, I knew Glass didn't know he was lying,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, bro, Like, first off, I didn't say
Speaker 1: that I knew that this song was a this That's
Speaker 1: not what I said.
Speaker 2: You know, look at the it's in video. You could
Speaker 2: see that. I said.
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure, I said, But what make J Cole
Speaker 1: not a good person. And even as Sol said, he's like, man,
Speaker 1: J Cole is a good dude. I don't believe that.
Speaker 2: I believe all that shit is fluffed because.
Speaker 1: As a good nigga, I would never put somebody else
Speaker 1: on a project while if I know this person is
Speaker 1: associated yours while.
Speaker 2: I'm about to dish you, because that would be like
Speaker 2: a piece of shit. You know what I'm saying. That's
Speaker 2: a piece of shit. Move you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So that's the type of stuff I'm saying where I
Speaker 1: almost let the internet get me off, and I'm about
Speaker 1: to cut Daylight out. I'm about to cut Soul out.
Speaker 1: Like nigga, you gotta know what's a good dude?
Speaker 2: Is a good dude? Ain't somebody that will put you
Speaker 2: on a on a project where you dishing your brother?
Speaker 2: That ain't good.
Speaker 5: I'm not really familiar with that situation. But was they
Speaker 5: already beef when they made the song? How long ago
Speaker 5: they make that record? The song was older?
Speaker 1: Daylight said the song was done way before that they
Speaker 1: had did it. He said he sent it to J Cole,
Speaker 1: He never heard it until later on when they was
Speaker 1: about to put it out. He said he had the
Speaker 1: song for a Yeah, this is what they like told
Speaker 1: me feel me now Aylight could also be fibbing to me.
Speaker 1: You know, it ain't no reason he got to tell
Speaker 1: me the truth. Like we from the same town and
Speaker 1: all that, and we fuck with each other. But he
Speaker 1: don't got to be one honest. Or they could be
Speaker 1: you know, trying to preserve a relationship with Ja Cole
Speaker 1: because maybe they see value in him.
Speaker 2: Or they fuck with him.
Speaker 1: Either way, that's not the important part of it. Like
Speaker 1: that's just the politics and hip hop that I don't mind.
Speaker 1: But when I look at somebody and I'm watching somebody
Speaker 1: associate somebody with the term good dude, and I get
Speaker 1: what Saul saying. He like man, he's worried about his vision,
Speaker 1: he worried about his diet. I think that does make
Speaker 1: you a you know, you have a good focus in things.
Speaker 1: But I also think it's a presentation and how he
Speaker 1: will do things. A good dude would never use you
Speaker 1: and compromise you in the middle of a situation to
Speaker 1: gain something. Still, I would never use you, or Pete,
Speaker 1: I would never use you in a situation and compromise
Speaker 1: you in a position to gain something.
Speaker 2: To me, that says you're unsavory. I mean, you're not
Speaker 2: a stand up dude.
Speaker 3: So to follow this this actually they can't.
Speaker 4: So the song that those guys are on is not yeah,
Speaker 4: but it's it's it's on an EP and the and
Speaker 4: there's another song on that project.
Speaker 3: It's not the same.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 4: First I thought you were saying that it was like
Speaker 4: he sent them a beat, they did the thing and
Speaker 4: then like in the verse in the same song.
Speaker 3: But it's like the next song on the EP or something,
Speaker 3: it's right there.
Speaker 1: What happened was Daylight made this song, he sent it
Speaker 1: to ap abslutely did the verse, and Daylight send it
Speaker 1: to j Cole.
Speaker 2: He said he takes it to him. Nothing came back
Speaker 2: for a year. This is what he said to me.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Could he be lying to me?
Speaker 1: Sure, But I don't know why to fuck with Daylight
Speaker 1: lou to me because I'm asking him in the middle
Speaker 1: of this ship like them is this nigga? But that's
Speaker 1: not even a point that that's irrelevant to the point
Speaker 1: minus how we got there, because that that wouldn't fracture
Speaker 1: me in Daylight relationship, Like if he lied to me
Speaker 1: or he's lying publicly, either way, I.
Speaker 4: Don't examining it from the Jake coleside, Well, this is
Speaker 4: he had the disverse and and he put his disverse
Speaker 4: on the song that they were on after that already made.
Speaker 3: That's what happened. No, so what was the next song?
Speaker 3: But just the same.
Speaker 1: So what that saying is he did the song and
Speaker 1: the song had been sitting around for a year. That
Speaker 1: for longer or or six seven months, the song had
Speaker 1: been sitting around. This is what's being said now, Like
Speaker 1: the song was finished, it been sitting around seven months.
Speaker 1: And then when he's putting together this project where he's
Speaker 1: marketing it as this disrespectful thing, the Kendrick, right, he
Speaker 1: talks to them being Kendrick and then he put it on.
Speaker 2: That was my That wasn't even my issue. My initial
Speaker 2: issue was when he came back.
Speaker 1: With this specific song, the song that he just released,
Speaker 1: the port Antonio song, and he's reframing what happened in
Speaker 1: that battle. He's like, oh, you know, like he's also
Speaker 1: like slighting a homie, like he was morally above it.
Speaker 2: That was my issue.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, you can't present yourself as some morally
Speaker 1: just person. You feel me knowing that you put that
Speaker 1: song on there, whether it's a this or not. That's
Speaker 1: what I specifically said. In a lot of stream you
Speaker 1: combining it with a seven minute drill song where you
Speaker 1: are it's obviously this and that, and then you put this,
Speaker 1: you put this song on that project. That means you know,
Speaker 1: app Show is his man. You know Daylight is an
Speaker 1: associate of a clique, So why would you do that
Speaker 1: if you're a righteous dude?
Speaker 2: That's that's that's slimy, you feel me. That was my point.
Speaker 1: But again because obviously people they hear like this is
Speaker 1: why I said, it's important that we say certain thing
Speaker 1: and this is what I'm saying is still in you
Speaker 1: right is the same thing that like, we have to
Speaker 1: be careful with the things we say because we know
Speaker 1: people are sheep. We know if nothing else, we shepherd
Speaker 1: like we shepherd bro we leave a lot of people
Speaker 1: whoever following us. And the message to me is more
Speaker 1: important than the food at the end, Like it's more
Speaker 1: important like what we're saying to people. So like if
Speaker 1: I'm sitting down asking I don't want to get on
Speaker 1: this platform and ask God about what happened in the battle.
Speaker 1: I don't even fuck who want to hear it. Like,
Speaker 1: my job is to guide people correctly. My God is
Speaker 1: to provide true insight.
Speaker 2: That's my job. See what's the name of this episode,
Speaker 2: conversations that norm Still started.
Speaker 5: I ain't started none of this stuff about I want
Speaker 5: to talk about. Well, that's because you were late, Jacob.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't late.
Speaker 2: I told you.
Speaker 5: We said when you called me this morning and said
Speaker 5: the shower, myself, come to the shower, and I said,
Speaker 5: give me a minute. I came on you as started.
Speaker 5: So since this is called the conversations that norm Still
Speaker 5: started before I was so rudely interrupted. I think that
Speaker 5: people go to college to get a better life. That
Speaker 5: that's the main purpose the average person when they go
Speaker 5: to college, because we all have all been sold this
Speaker 5: kind of like this bill of goods since we were
Speaker 5: little kids. Go to schools, get an education. It's going
Speaker 5: to lead to a better life. Yeah, everybody I talked
Speaker 5: to got a degree, including myself. They not working in
Speaker 5: that field. They're not working in that field. You know,
Speaker 5: you go to school, you know, get graduate with a
Speaker 5: degree in business administration, and you wind up working at
Speaker 5: an insurance company or something selling insurance.
Speaker 3: Or whatever, you know, doing business.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but still you understand what I'm saying. It's like,
Speaker 5: you know, you go to school for this stuff. Like
Speaker 5: I see people go to school and study of like
Speaker 5: African American studies, which is cool, that's what you went too.
Speaker 5: But they got this massive amount of debt once they finished.
Speaker 3: There's certainly a.
Speaker 4: Failure to define, articulate, separate, and compartmentalize the sort of
Speaker 4: legacy of luxury education and worldliness and the and the
Speaker 4: modern expansion of university access for utilitarian economic purposes. And
Speaker 4: a lot of the people who need the latter the
Speaker 4: most are being swayed into pursuing the former to their
Speaker 4: own detriment, which is to me highly irresponsible.
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 4: I'm very anti government forgiveness of college student loan debt.
Speaker 4: I am very pro university forgiveness of student loan debt.
Speaker 4: I would love a lot that said, all your universities,
Speaker 4: all that cash, the start, write some Oh we're not
Speaker 4: on the life, you best write some fucking checks.
Speaker 2: I agree. I agree because let me say this.
Speaker 1: Though I had wrote this damn while you was talking.
Speaker 1: I want to make sure I had that. So you
Speaker 1: say people go to college for a better life, that's
Speaker 1: the first problem. It's like going to McDonald's to actually
Speaker 1: get nourished.
Speaker 5: Gee, you have a you gotta understand something, bro, you
Speaker 5: train that I don't disagree, you know, and I agree
Speaker 5: with you, but you gotta remember your philosophy to a
Speaker 5: lot of things. A lot of people just not like
Speaker 5: you said, people are sheep, right. So I think the
Speaker 5: general idea is everybody thinks that, Okay, I'm gonna go
Speaker 5: to school, I'm gonna get a better life, right, I'm
Speaker 5: automatically winning, right, And that's and that's not true because
Speaker 5: most of the people, though, I'm gonna tell you, most
Speaker 5: of the wealthy people I know have a high school
Speaker 5: education that went to a trade school. Everybody I know
Speaker 5: this independently wealth. They want to learn the trade like
Speaker 5: I know it. Guy right now, one of the only
Speaker 5: bigion there that I know. He's heavy in the real estate.
Speaker 5: He owns a whole bunch of Bellflower, owns a whole
Speaker 5: bunch of stuff off the six or five corridor. He
Speaker 5: leases the people, and you know, has one hundred year
Speaker 5: land ds. He owns the actually on the six or
Speaker 5: five and two t in the Miller Brewing Company. He
Speaker 5: owns all that land they pay rent to him every month,
Speaker 5: or we.
Speaker 3: Just sold the lot next to it a few years back.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and this is a guy that comes from Patterson,
Speaker 5: New Jersey, barely got a high school, actually has a
Speaker 5: ged and just want to took a real estate course, right,
Speaker 5: which is the trade? Right?
Speaker 2: We want to learn the trade right, true entrepreneurs. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and we applies that trade. Every One I know that
Speaker 2: is wealthy. I don't know.
Speaker 5: Nobody with a college degree is wealthy. I know people
Speaker 5: have college degrees that have cool jobs that they can
Speaker 5: get fired from any time. But everybody I know this
Speaker 5: like wealthy, wealthy, They don't have They don't have a
Speaker 5: college education.
Speaker 4: Bro. But yeah, you go to college for to me,
Speaker 4: teaching entrepreneurism is like testing or innovation. Like we were
Speaker 4: saying a while back, you can't test artistic creativity. You
Speaker 4: can't test innovation trying to track innovation in a model
Speaker 4: the randomness is indecipherable from a from a distinctly like
Speaker 4: purposeful randomization model. Like you can't sit down and get
Speaker 4: a thousand people and say here's a test. We're gonna
Speaker 4: determine which one of you used the most innovative. It
Speaker 4: won't happen.
Speaker 3: So like, so far as university attendance goes, yeah, you're
Speaker 3: never gonna see that.
Speaker 4: There's actually Robert Kiyosaki, the rich dad, poor dad guy,
Speaker 4: and Donald Trump co. Wrote a book and they talked
Speaker 4: about that in the very first chapter about universities teach
Speaker 4: you how to go work for someone else, not how
Speaker 4: to work for yours.
Speaker 3: And that's true.
Speaker 4: It teaches you at its best, and it teaches you
Speaker 4: how to assimilate into a system efficiently.
Speaker 3: At its worst, it just gives you a bunch of
Speaker 3: hot air and a yeah.
Speaker 5: And that's why I think we need to bring trade
Speaker 5: s crews back. I remember, I think that was in
Speaker 5: the last generation where they had these classes at school
Speaker 5: that was really interesting. Like they had where people could
Speaker 5: go take all the motive classes, right, go take all
Speaker 5: the motive class woodshot classes. And I knew a lot
Speaker 5: of guys that came out of high school, man they
Speaker 5: went and got their apprentice ship's degrees, became plumbers and
Speaker 5: things like that, and they opened up really long lasting businesses.
Speaker 5: I think one of my homeboys, tim me back in
Speaker 5: the high know he might be going on his fourth
Speaker 5: or fifth plumbing, you know, plumbing location to where they
Speaker 5: fixed plumbing, right, and he makes a really good living
Speaker 5: for himself. Don't sent all his kids work for the
Speaker 5: business because they became plumbers just like he did. You know,
Speaker 5: they own a piece of the business. And I think
Speaker 5: that's where man, I think right now, Man, like the
Speaker 5: whole school is full of shit now thog from high
Speaker 5: school and everything else.
Speaker 1: Right, So you agree with Trump. So you agree with
Speaker 1: Trump as far as there. Now, what is it the
Speaker 1: Department of Education?
Speaker 5: Yeah, the department of one because like you said, everybody
Speaker 5: is doing shit for money. Education should never be about money, right,
Speaker 5: it should be the better society. Right, all of these
Speaker 5: people care about these schools administrators, especially in public school. Oh,
Speaker 5: we get two hundred and fifty dollars ahead, so we
Speaker 5: want to make sure these kids in school every day.
Speaker 5: We don't give a damn if they really learned thathing.
Speaker 5: We just need a mess so we can get the money.
Speaker 5: Do you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I think that's the issue with But again
Speaker 1: it's the convenience. I think again, one thing, like I said,
Speaker 1: I disagree with Pete in the head about it, which
Speaker 1: we did this. We did a really dope We did
Speaker 1: a really dope conversation about university's college education. It was
Speaker 1: dope moking and Pete was really just cooking like that
Speaker 1: and it was deep. It threw me off, But it's
Speaker 1: the same thing happening in America on all fronts because
Speaker 1: people are pursuing money. So what happens is you will
Speaker 1: start to lower the quality of everything, like if you
Speaker 1: watch the movie The Founder, right and again, like I
Speaker 1: compare McDonald's, like if you go to college for better life,
Speaker 1: it's like going to McDonald's to get nourished. Like the
Speaker 1: thought of it sounds cool, but you gotta look at
Speaker 1: the reality. You should go to college to get educated, right,
Speaker 1: so then you should know what you're getting educated on
Speaker 1: and how you would apply that in real life. That's
Speaker 1: why it's important that people had these conversations with they
Speaker 1: pick with your parents.
Speaker 2: I don't disagree.
Speaker 1: We had this conversation ironically before, which was about you know, college,
Speaker 1: But again, if you understand you're going to college for education,
Speaker 1: you have to change.
Speaker 2: Like I talked to Chris, Chris is really smartness department.
Speaker 2: She explained to me. She feels like college is more
Speaker 2: about networking.
Speaker 4: You're trying to get what you do, and it's become
Speaker 4: that because that's the only place you can find value.
Speaker 5: I would say that's the best thing about it. G
Speaker 5: I would say, I know, so many became away more well.
Speaker 5: I became a much more well rounded person when I
Speaker 5: left Cleveland. I went to college because my whole world
Speaker 5: view and things things I think that and travel, you know.
Speaker 2: What, I believe.
Speaker 5: I believe every kid out of high school should go
Speaker 5: on sabbatical to Europe. Like literally, you know how people
Speaker 5: used to just go backpack in the sixties, Peter Like
Speaker 5: they would leave high school and just go around Europe
Speaker 5: for a year.
Speaker 4: I think you come back the only person from my
Speaker 4: graduating class at high school that didn't go fuck around
Speaker 4: in Europe on a bunch of goddamn hostel bunk beds.
Speaker 5: I think it's good for people. Gee, I'm gonna tell you.
Speaker 5: When I first started going to Europe and just seeing
Speaker 5: different people, seeing how different people lived, and seeing different coaches,
Speaker 5: it made me a better person. That made me more
Speaker 5: talerant of certain things. I know, I laughed and joke
Speaker 5: a lot about stuff, but it made me appreciate people
Speaker 5: a lot more, and it made me appreciate this life
Speaker 5: in America that we have a lot more, right, because
Speaker 5: in America.
Speaker 2: We so spoiled and entitled. Man, we complained about every
Speaker 2: damn thing.
Speaker 1: We don't have this, we don't have that, like right now,
Speaker 1: Like right now, you're complaining because you should be going
Speaker 1: to college for education, but you got it wrong and
Speaker 1: you're talking about going to college for a better job.
Speaker 2: No, I'm telling you what the general thought is.
Speaker 5: I didn't say that's not my thought on stuff, so
Speaker 5: that that would be that thought of entitlement. That Yeah,
Speaker 5: most people go to school thinking that they're going to
Speaker 5: get out. They have this thing that okay, once I.
Speaker 2: Got a school.
Speaker 3: Kind of what you're being sold, that's kind of their words.
Speaker 2: But who is really selling that to them?
Speaker 3: Like the universities.
Speaker 2: But then there's an issue between your parents, right your university.
Speaker 5: I think parents more than anything else, pepe selling you
Speaker 5: that because they and I'm gonna tell you the average person,
Speaker 5: especially your mom, they want they so they can brag
Speaker 5: their friends.
Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 5: You know such and such, you know they got this,
Speaker 5: they got that. Well, women is a big thing for me.
Speaker 5: You might like that too, No, to a certain extent,
Speaker 5: but I know I'm a college under the Winter Klege, right,
Speaker 5: So I always told my key is this is that
Speaker 5: college is what you make it. If you go to school,
Speaker 5: don't just hang out with the football team. Meet other people,
Speaker 5: because that's gonna be the biggest thing in your life,
Speaker 5: the connections you've made in your life. It's much easier
Speaker 5: ge to go holler at somebody to get a job
Speaker 5: that you know, more easier, and it's more easier to
Speaker 5: build a business if you have certain people in your network, right,
Speaker 5: Like Chris is in the clothing things. Now, that's how
Speaker 5: you're making his money in the off season, right. He
Speaker 5: knows so many people that own fabric shops that own
Speaker 5: you know, the way he can go get stuff for
Speaker 5: the low or free from in most cases. Right, And
Speaker 5: it really helped him to have, you know, those relationships
Speaker 5: became a benefit to him later on.
Speaker 4: That's something like I hung out with five people for
Speaker 4: my track team and I went and did like specific
Speaker 4: like competitively accessible like internships.
Speaker 3: When I was there, I just want to stay and
Speaker 3: it was fine.
Speaker 4: I got a decent job offer out of there, and
Speaker 4: then economic downturn whatever happened after that, I was just
Speaker 4: like shit, I look but at that time it kind
Speaker 4: of since then like the way to go full circle,
Speaker 4: like Glasses doesn't want to do doesn't want to prostitute
Speaker 4: himself and the content or whatever else that I'm principally
Speaker 4: opposed to nepotism, so I won't participate in it.
Speaker 3: So I didn't have much of an appetite to go.
Speaker 4: Hang out with people I'm not really the biggest fans
Speaker 4: of or whatever else for purposes of professional networking, you know,
Speaker 4: And I understand the rationale saying that the best value
Speaker 4: in attending university is the networking. To me, that's an
Speaker 4: indictment of the institution because you can just go stand
Speaker 4: around and hang out and lie and say you go
Speaker 4: to school there and do the networking.
Speaker 3: You don't even have to participants.
Speaker 2: People that just hung out on campus with people that
Speaker 2: he school. I heard people tell stories of just going
Speaker 2: to hang out on other campuses.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a lot of some of some good
Speaker 5: friends I made at New Mester of State, or people
Speaker 5: that didn't even go to school there after, Like, man,
Speaker 5: you gotta go to oh I don't go to school here,
Speaker 5: Bryce come up with you to hang.
Speaker 2: Out with y'all.
Speaker 3: I guarantee you.
Speaker 4: There are people who go to all the frat parties
Speaker 4: at USC on the road, who go to OCC and
Speaker 4: Santa Monica College and fall ass backwards at the jobs,
Speaker 4: never take the set phone on cancer, and they walk right.
Speaker 5: Into the cafeteria with me because I'm on scholarship. So
Speaker 5: when I go in, I walked right in the cafeteria
Speaker 5: with my stuff. They right behind me, just talking, just
Speaker 5: getting the thing, eating the same food I'm eating every day,
Speaker 5: hanging out. Come about a dorm playing. I'm gonna tell
Speaker 5: you all I did when I went to school, Man,
Speaker 5: all I did was play PlayStation Dog Nintendo and eat.
Speaker 2: One play football.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I took tests, protested homework, ran tracked, slept, and for
Speaker 4: a couple months out of the year, I drank off
Speaker 4: Rizon Saturdays.
Speaker 3: With Street Close.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Mentorships I got, I got, I gotta not at the
Speaker 4: end because I got tired rent checking and that was then.
Speaker 3: But like get solved every weekend real quick, oh with
Speaker 3: glasses talking about It's the word convenience.
Speaker 4: Convenience is the result of an expansion of quantity, and
Speaker 4: I think quantity and quality largely work in an adversarial relationship.
Speaker 4: So like what you see with university acts, like there
Speaker 4: used to not be that many.
Speaker 3: Now there's them.
Speaker 4: There's a state college, there's a like on every damn corner,
Speaker 4: Like I can't believe how many there's like six colleges
Speaker 4: in South Florida.
Speaker 3: There's not even that many people here. And same with McDonald's.
Speaker 4: As you expand and expand and expand, the acts is
Speaker 4: what you're able to provide to people. It's impossible not
Speaker 4: to water down the quality of what's being provided. When
Speaker 4: you start off with a higher quality thing and try
Speaker 4: to blow it out, It's it's almost impossible to sacrifice
Speaker 4: quality for quantity at that rate.
Speaker 1: Any But that's what I was saying is still initially,
Speaker 1: you know, during this conversation, they.
Speaker 2: Got enough people trying to do that.
Speaker 1: They have enough people in this the population has enough
Speaker 1: people in this world trying to sell them something, trying
Speaker 1: to sell them goodwill, like you know, people monetizing white guilt.
Speaker 1: It's a standard thing. Like business is business. You feel me,
Speaker 1: it's a ton of business. And I understand no Silings
Speaker 1: podcast is a business, but it is my choice on
Speaker 1: what type of business it should be. Do I want
Speaker 1: to turn it into McDonald's or do I want it
Speaker 1: to be in and out question?
Speaker 4: Yeah, hypothetically, if you had Kendrick on the podcast, what
Speaker 4: would you want the conversational track to look? Because you know,
Speaker 4: obviously he could go on a hundred different shows and
Speaker 4: he's going to talk about the same four things a
Speaker 4: hundred different times.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. I've never ad not to
Speaker 2: do the podcasts because I don't have anything to talk
Speaker 2: to him about. Fair enough.
Speaker 1: I know that sounds weird, bro, but it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know you like, I don't what am I gonna
Speaker 1: talk to Kendrick about on a podcast like listen? If
Speaker 1: I had him, I would have to respect the population's
Speaker 1: desire to hear his perspective of what happened in the battle.
Speaker 1: But I mean, man, if I talk to dot today,
Speaker 1: I have to be just really catching up with him
Speaker 1: on how's life being? You know, how I was raising
Speaker 1: the kids, Like how's that chancedince you was a little kid?
Speaker 3: Yo?
Speaker 2: Stuff that you know.
Speaker 1: I think it'd be cool, but I don't think it
Speaker 1: makes it a unique conversation just just like yeah, and
Speaker 1: it becomes like messy. I get the value in having
Speaker 1: somebody that you know, hundreds of thousands of people will
Speaker 1: want to hear from.
Speaker 2: But really I would need.
Speaker 1: A conversation that takes people into a different place, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And I don't think think Dot
Speaker 1: kind of lives a specific life. The things that I
Speaker 1: would talk to most of the stuff we'd be talking
Speaker 1: about the stuff that we got into in the past.
Speaker 1: And it just don't seem like it would make for
Speaker 1: interest in podcasts. Like it was different when we sat
Speaker 1: down and talked to too Short, too Short, to somebody.
Speaker 1: I have a million I don't know too Short, I
Speaker 1: have a million questions. Do I really want the world
Speaker 1: to sit down and get the version of Kendrick that
Speaker 1: I know?
Speaker 2: Not really?
Speaker 1: Like it's not that important to me, Like as So
Speaker 1: is the same thing. Like I don't know what I
Speaker 1: would talk to artists about.
Speaker 2: I don't think.
Speaker 5: I think absolutely I wouldn't mind having a conversation with
Speaker 5: Asol I was talking about some different I would probably
Speaker 5: talk to Absoute about psychedelics and the pineal gland and
Speaker 5: stuff like that, because he got a different train of thought,
Speaker 5: he shared similar views to me all certain things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but do you think that would be the audience
Speaker 1: against the chronicles. Caring about pineal gland as.
Speaker 5: Far, I wouldn't necessarily bring him on against the chronicles,
Speaker 5: so he probably come on steal a spotlight.
Speaker 2: I do gainst One thing I do I try to do,
Speaker 2: is I certain things.
Speaker 5: If you see me doing something myself, yeah, that's because
Speaker 5: it doesn't belong on gainst the chronicles. You feel what
Speaker 5: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So if there's an artist that I would talk to,
Speaker 1: I would talk to school Boy Q, right because we
Speaker 1: could talk to school Boy Q about boxing, like right,
Speaker 1: because like we're realistically have an incredible conversation about boxing.
Speaker 2: Man, there's a million.
Speaker 1: Platforms you can go and here listen to school Boy
Speaker 1: Q talk about his album and stuff like that. The
Speaker 1: version of Q that I would want you to know
Speaker 1: that I have, that's a private relationship with me and cousins.
Speaker 2: We fuck with boxing and he's a deep.
Speaker 1: Fan of boxing. So that conversation could happen on no ceilings.
Speaker 1: People could see something like my goal even when we
Speaker 1: begin to bring guests on games excuse me on no
Speaker 1: seilings is people get a version of that person that
Speaker 1: they didn't know exists.
Speaker 5: I think that's how it should be. I don't never
Speaker 5: think you should go in there and this to just
Speaker 5: interview somebody. They's so whack. So when did you start
Speaker 5: doing this?
Speaker 2: And people I don't have that, and and and there
Speaker 2: is people that want to learn it. I just don't
Speaker 2: have that. I'm not an interviewer.
Speaker 5: I think people like hearing people's opinions about other things
Speaker 5: and getting to know somebody, Like like to me, hearing Scarface,
Speaker 5: like getting to talk to Scarface about like local politics.
Speaker 5: I thought that was dope, just hear his train of thought,
Speaker 5: you know, conversations that I had with Willie d you know,
Speaker 5: like the Get Up Boy is my favorite group of
Speaker 5: all time, hands down, But just to hear those dudes
Speaker 5: talk about politics on just a whole nother left. I
Speaker 5: think them and Pete would have a great conversation because
Speaker 5: they're really into this stuff. You feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: They're really into politics. Yeah, so, and I think it
Speaker 5: makes for a great conversation hearing that one of the
Speaker 5: greatest gangster rap roops of all time really talk about politics. Man,
Speaker 5: it's dope, Yeah for sure.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen there, I'll sacrifice anything for Pete. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: I'm mad, we didn't get the Kennedy interview, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was a lot of stuff happening, But
Speaker 1: I'll circle back and get some peat. That's devastating. But
Speaker 1: so unless Pete wants to talk to somebody, like it
Speaker 1: don't really motivate me. Like talking to Pete, you know,
Speaker 1: makes me think a million you know, if Pete blows
Speaker 1: my mind, I mean, Paul's like, I'm sure he blows
Speaker 1: other people's mind.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. That's the truth. Like it's
Speaker 2: like he's a smart dude, and.
Speaker 1: It's not just smart, like minus the education part, his
Speaker 1: ability to think and listen.
Speaker 3: Technically I'm not educated.
Speaker 4: I claim that I'm not educated and that I'm still
Speaker 4: a virgin because technically, technically I haven't finished anyway.
Speaker 2: Anyway.
Speaker 1: So no, So yeah, that's all I'm saying. So to
Speaker 1: your original point, like, the business of no silings is
Speaker 1: my perspective. That's the business of no sellings. It's not
Speaker 1: anybody else's perspective. It's my perspective. And I like what
Speaker 1: Pete brings out of my perspective. I like when Pete
Speaker 1: challenges me to think, you know what I mean, I
Speaker 1: prefer that when he uses words that I have to
Speaker 1: remember what that word meant to pull it out. Like
Speaker 1: a lot of people will say Pete's too smart, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's not about Pete's.
Speaker 2: With it's is he listens.
Speaker 1: So we're having a conversation even initially the conversation you
Speaker 1: walked in on, where I know what he's referencing even
Speaker 1: though I haven't talked about it in twenty years, right,
Speaker 1: which is the history of that land that we call
Speaker 1: Palestine and injury, Like, I know the story even though
Speaker 1: I haven't talked about it. But then there's this place
Speaker 1: as a human, and that's where my goal is, even
Speaker 1: with Pete. I always bring him back to a humane level.
Speaker 1: That's the only thing my desire for Pete is to
Speaker 1: always bring him back to the most primitive humane Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna.
Speaker 5: Tell you who I want to talk to this really
Speaker 5: of the Gainst the chronicles. Land want them on Gainst
Speaker 5: Chronicles for reasons that John ho Brian dude, who's that
Speaker 5: the financial.
Speaker 2: Literary gut Oh, he's dope, He's real dope. Pete.
Speaker 5: I think you would like him, man, like check him out.
Speaker 5: I think because similar stuff he talks about it with
Speaker 5: the founding like you know, black people's broke and just
Speaker 5: you know, I think that's stuff that we need.
Speaker 2: Yeah again, I face, I saw some kiss from he
Speaker 2: was dope.
Speaker 4: That's That's something that I've like one of my closet
Speaker 4: dreams to do with like Malcolm one day, if we
Speaker 4: ever made it enough to get any credibility behind anything
Speaker 4: we say, it would be.
Speaker 3: To go around and do like.
Speaker 4: A free three hour thing at like the Jackie Robinson
Speaker 4: or the Basketball Jim at Dorsey or something like that,
Speaker 4: and just like hop around different and be able to
Speaker 4: make a presentation for thirty minutes, then do two and
Speaker 4: a half hours of Q and A with people just
Speaker 4: from the neighborhood and different cities around the country.
Speaker 3: I would I would do that.
Speaker 1: Shit, that's very no syllingis I would be down to
Speaker 1: do that, I think.
Speaker 2: Again.
Speaker 1: It goes back to that same conversation about me being street.
Speaker 1: It's like, man, there is no representation. There's only you know,
Speaker 1: force on the ghetto. Everybody is talking bad about gang banging.
Speaker 1: They talked bad about the ghetto anything and gang banging.
Speaker 1: And it's like I said, I was looking at this
Speaker 1: keV Mac shout out to my brother keV Man, my
Speaker 1: Big keV Is Man. I love Big cav Bro. He
Speaker 1: is just an awesome dude, you what I mean. And
Speaker 1: I know he's been through hell and figuring out you know, life.
Speaker 2: We come out of this, but I just truly appreciate
Speaker 2: his perspective, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And he was telling the story where they ran into
Speaker 1: this legendary dude from Inglewood, NHP like will Pout, and
Speaker 1: he was saying how they gave him a past because
Speaker 1: he was dating his niece. And I feel like when
Speaker 1: people talk about gangs, like back to the community conversation,
Speaker 1: that he is always this, oh yeah, you know, people
Speaker 1: in the hood we just trip on each other, but
Speaker 1: if it was a white person, we wouldn't trip on them.
Speaker 1: Like I hear that so much, and it's so frustrating
Speaker 1: because it's just not true, Like that's just not true.
Speaker 1: We don't just trip on each other because we black,
Speaker 1: not even just me, Like, yes, there is one or
Speaker 1: two assholes that trip on people because they're black, just
Speaker 1: like in Diddy situation. There are some execs who are
Speaker 1: sexual devians. But my issue is if you were complicit,
Speaker 1: if you just stood by why these things were happening.
Speaker 1: You just as bad as the party involved. You might
Speaker 1: even be worse. Like a rapist specifically can't control their urge.
Speaker 1: They get excited by somebody resisting. But if you were
Speaker 1: in the room and you let somebody do that, and
Speaker 1: then you let them do that again, you're worse than
Speaker 1: that person. At least that person mind is messed up.
Speaker 1: What's wrong with yours that don't make you stop them?
Speaker 1: So I was telling ADM. I'm like, like he was
Speaker 1: talking about that. They was, you know that his homies
Speaker 1: would just go punch on innocent smokers, and I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: I would trip on my homies if they did that.
Speaker 1: It used to be a drug program that used to
Speaker 1: come out at the end of one hundred and seventeenth
Speaker 1: Street and they would walk to the Metro rail the
Speaker 1: Rose of Park station right.
Speaker 2: You know on willer Brook in period and they would
Speaker 2: walk from the.
Speaker 1: Drug diversion program was next to the county jail, you know,
Speaker 1: on Mona, So they would walk down to seven because
Speaker 1: it was a shortcut versus walking to a period ram.
Speaker 1: So they would walk down one hundred and seventeenth Street,
Speaker 1: and I remember shout out to the hommy little Wayne,
Speaker 1: and he locked up. He got a bunch of time,
Speaker 1: but Lil Wayne wanted to trip him, like they don't
Speaker 1: say none to these people. Cauz, Like, bro, what do
Speaker 1: you think you're doing? You mean, like my big hommie pluck.
Speaker 1: This is somebody I grew up listening to it to
Speaker 1: some degree, really just idolizing him to a true you know,
Speaker 1: straight up. I just respected the type of man he
Speaker 1: was in the streets. But there were times where he
Speaker 1: wanted to shoot somebody because they called him a nigger
Speaker 1: in the middle of traffic. And we finish get life
Speaker 1: because you want to kill this nigga because he called
Speaker 1: us in word because y'all having the traffic argument.
Speaker 2: You want to blow his head off in the middle
Speaker 2: of people. We finsa go to prison for that.
Speaker 1: I'm like, that ain't worth it, you mean, and I'll
Speaker 1: stop him, Like I wouldn't let sucker stuff happen around
Speaker 1: me by the time I came into my masculinity and
Speaker 1: accountability by the time I was twenty, you couldn't do
Speaker 1: no sucker stuff around me.
Speaker 2: Immediately, I was gonna challenge you on it, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, And that's it.
Speaker 1: And I've been like that, you know, my whole life,
Speaker 1: even when I was more worried, I still would say
Speaker 1: something like even when I wasn't the most courageous person,
Speaker 1: I still would say something in my team. So I
Speaker 1: don't understand how, you know, people get so upset when,
Speaker 1: like I stand on some level of principles or morals,
Speaker 1: Like even still when we talk about like all this
Speaker 1: stuff with homosexuals, I'm like, how can y'all How do
Speaker 1: y'all just see this world of a bunch of people
Speaker 1: being gay unless you saw it? Like people make it
Speaker 1: like I'm crazy for not believing everybody is in the closet,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, how do you just live in this
Speaker 1: world believe in everybody's in the closet unless you know people.
Speaker 2: I don't know nobody in the closet. You probably do.
Speaker 1: Dog, Now, listen to what I'm saying, I don't know
Speaker 1: anybody in the closet, so that means that they are
Speaker 1: hiding it from me.
Speaker 3: But if you're saying that's kind of what the closet
Speaker 3: concept is, So what.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, or how do you know that they're in
Speaker 2: the closset it unless they came.
Speaker 5: I never will forget the time when the stuff went
Speaker 5: on with Old Boy that was on TV. What was
Speaker 5: that rapper's name came up? And you said, man, how
Speaker 5: come he didn't tell me? That's the whole thing. A
Speaker 5: lot of people just don't a lot, especially in the
Speaker 5: black community. Bro, a lot of people living in shame.
Speaker 2: This is shame. People can't live a black community on
Speaker 2: I know you ain't seen it, but it's the real
Speaker 2: it's the real thing. A community, but not one community.
Speaker 2: It is a real thing.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of stuff that we do in concert
Speaker 1: with each other that's like, but that's like saying going
Speaker 1: to college for a better job versus going to college,
Speaker 1: like let's stop.
Speaker 2: A black community. Yeh.
Speaker 5: I think you sometimes overthink stuff.
Speaker 2: It's I'm not I'm just thinking you Oh you overthink stuff, overthinking.
Speaker 3: I'm just what's overthinking? And what's refusing to underthink?
Speaker 1: Like yet repeating narrative like you just say something because
Speaker 1: this is where everbody sa not even caring to me.
Speaker 5: Black people for the longest have always looked down on
Speaker 5: homosexual It's just just a true fact.
Speaker 3: That might be a culture that I don't know if
Speaker 3: that's a community.
Speaker 2: Mean, Black America has gay people, So how could gay people.
Speaker 5: I'm telling you, I'm not Again, this is not my
Speaker 5: personal opinion, bro, because honestly, I don't care what.
Speaker 1: We're not trying to peg you down as the heathen
Speaker 1: you are. That's not what we're trying to do. What
Speaker 1: we're saying to you is, how do you say that.
Speaker 1: This is why I'm saying is irresponsible to say black community,
Speaker 1: because then you're saying it's a part of how every
Speaker 1: black persons fabric the majority, and that's not true. I
Speaker 1: think you from the ghettos because you're from a ghetto
Speaker 1: in Cleveland and I'm from a ghetto and Compton to watch, right,
Speaker 1: I think we have certain things that don't represent the
Speaker 1: rest of black people outside of those ghettos.
Speaker 5: I would think, Yeah, I think definitely. And I think
Speaker 5: it's a thing that's based on people not experiencing, you know,
Speaker 5: like not seeing other people.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: I remember when I first came to LA and I
Speaker 5: was went to Hollywood and I saw two dudes holding hands.
Speaker 5: That tripped me the fuck out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're from the ghetto and I wasn't used
Speaker 2: seeing and I.
Speaker 5: Wasn't used to seeing certain things, right, And you know
Speaker 5: when I worked in Hollywood. When I worked for Mind
Speaker 5: the Music, you became just so none of that type
Speaker 5: of stuff because there was so many people doing different
Speaker 5: stuff out there.
Speaker 2: You had girls holding each other's hands, you had.
Speaker 5: Dudes holding each other's hands and doing all kinds of
Speaker 5: other stuff to where it was kind of like, I think, man,
Speaker 5: people should live in their truth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't even want to have that generic conversation.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is back to the point of why
Speaker 1: we should always use Black America. If we're referencing and
Speaker 1: then there's no really light ideas, there's no really light
Speaker 1: mind ideas for black people in America. Now, me and
Speaker 1: you again, we come from the ghetto of America. There
Speaker 1: are like minded things. You're right in most ghettos in
Speaker 1: America unless you're in Atlanta. And I can't say this
Speaker 1: is true for Atlanta because I think, even to their defense,
Speaker 1: they don't see that traditionally in the ghetto. So again
Speaker 1: we're conflating our ideas on the rest of Black America.
Speaker 1: People who have been suburban black people, people that have
Speaker 1: been wealthy black people, they don't fall under these dice.
Speaker 1: I mean, So again, I don't think I'm overthinking. I
Speaker 1: think I'm thinking that's it. I don't even think most
Speaker 1: of the stuff I'm even saying to Pete. It took
Speaker 1: me ten hours to think is I'm listening and it's like,
Speaker 1: why do people say this? This is just one of
Speaker 1: those bad ideas, like going to college to have a
Speaker 1: better life. I've never in my life thought you go
Speaker 1: to college to have a better life, because I've always
Speaker 1: thought like I just didn't carry on, which is the
Speaker 1: sheet concept, right, I didn't just carry on the thought.
Speaker 2: I never thought McDonald nourished me.
Speaker 5: I think the average personal g the average family. I
Speaker 5: think that's what they've been taught from generation and generation,
Speaker 5: that oh, if you go to school, you're going to
Speaker 5: have a better life. It's going to give you an advantage.
Speaker 5: And you know what, there are a certain advantages to
Speaker 5: have a degree less unemployment, you know, statistically, they you know,
Speaker 5: live longer, statistically, are homeowners. It's a lot of stuff
Speaker 5: that you know, the fact it's kind of back by facts,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 3: Mod correlation thing.
Speaker 4: If you're if you're more disciplined than ambitious, you're probably
Speaker 4: more apt to go to college.
Speaker 5: So is that on you or is that on the
Speaker 5: college I think that's more on you. I think that's
Speaker 5: I think that's more on you. Just like I said,
Speaker 5: the richest person I know is a guy that came
Speaker 5: from Patterson, New Jersey. Needs to sleep in his car,
Speaker 5: but he had the ambition.
Speaker 1: Listen, all I'm saying is I think it's our job
Speaker 1: to guide people because they come to us for guiding,
Speaker 1: even the people who don't know they need guidance.
Speaker 2: That's why the things we say, you know what I mean, Like.
Speaker 1: It is frustrating to say something to people and people
Speaker 1: to hang on one specific.
Speaker 2: Part of what you're saying. So you know, I get it.
Speaker 1: And again, Wayne always told me the one thing you
Speaker 1: have to get comfortable with is being misunderstood.
Speaker 2: I never forgot that, and I'm okay with that.
Speaker 1: But again, like when like when we prepare people, particularly
Speaker 1: from these ghettos, and we say, hey, man, you go
Speaker 1: to college for a better life. That's just the wrong
Speaker 1: thing to start saying. You go to college for education. Now,
Speaker 1: how you apply that to what you want to do
Speaker 1: with the rest of your life is a different conversation.
Speaker 1: You mean that that becomes a personal responsibility. There is
Speaker 1: no way to sheep when you guide sheep right to
Speaker 1: different pastors like you.
Speaker 2: You know, that's why we hear.
Speaker 1: That's why it's important that I don't compromise certain things,
Speaker 1: because we can gud sheep into the wrong place, like
Speaker 1: some people feel like when I talk about gangs, it
Speaker 1: make people want to be a part of gangs. Well,
Speaker 1: the first thing I said about it, if you didn't
Speaker 1: grow up in that community, why would you be a
Speaker 1: part of the game.
Speaker 2: Everybody who grows up there, right, they know what it is.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying nothing that's surprising to them, only to
Speaker 1: the people that's not from the community. And my number
Speaker 1: one thing is, why would you be a part of
Speaker 1: that military if you're not from that community, what's the
Speaker 1: value in it?
Speaker 2: What's your motivation? And only to be selfish at.
Speaker 4: That point, and I think even like to that point,
Speaker 4: you've also said you didn't think you were going to
Speaker 4: be good at game banging until you realized you weren't
Speaker 4: bothered by jail. Yeah, if you don't, if you're bothered
Speaker 4: by the prospect of jail, stop that's probably not for you.
Speaker 2: It's time to do something else.
Speaker 3: All you're gonna do is sell out the people that
Speaker 3: you're supposed to care about the.
Speaker 2: Post exactly rights.
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