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Speaker 1: Today's guest has a lot of irons in the fire.

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Speaker 1: He is the host of Rich Outdoors podcast. He's the

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Speaker 1: owner of Backcountry field Box. He's kind of started up

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Speaker 1: the Rich Ideas Lab, which is a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a motivational talks and ideas for entrepreneurs. But the reason

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Speaker 1: I have him on the podcast today he's also a

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Speaker 1: damn good elk counter, a good elk caller. I met

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Speaker 1: Cody Rich at the Oregon State elk calling Championships probably

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Speaker 1: ten years ago. I remember very distinctly. He walked in

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Speaker 1: with a duct tape camo duct tape like hose hooked

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Speaker 1: to a vague yellow whiffleball bat um and I'm like, man,

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Speaker 1: that guy sounds good. You know, he's not using my calls,

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Speaker 1: but he sounds pretty good. Um and and to my surprise,

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Speaker 1: and this isn't a dig on you like and this

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Speaker 1: is one of the reasons I don't like podcast is

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Speaker 1: I don't think you made the finals that first year

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Speaker 1: I met you, and I was like scratching my head.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, man, that guy was good. And so that

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Speaker 1: that's when I met you. I think we we've stayed

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Speaker 1: in touch ever since. You know, I've been on your podcast.

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Speaker 1: We've talked el cunning, I followed your you know all

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Speaker 1: everything you've been doing, so you know, it's cool to

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Speaker 1: finally have you on here, and how are you doing,

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Speaker 1: Cody good Man? Dude, that was kind of like the

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Speaker 1: tail end of the competition stuff for me. I was

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Speaker 1: actually kind of like one of the bitter moments. But

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Speaker 1: back in those days, I wanted to say, like pre

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Speaker 1: pre felps like that in the competition circles like that

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Speaker 1: like you know, not everyone had a felps bat back then.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, good times. Uh yeah, But like again,

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Speaker 1: like dude, calling competitions can be so fannicated. It's like

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Speaker 1: you can think he crushed it and then it just

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Speaker 1: like not even place you like whatever, Yeah, I hate

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Speaker 1: him because I feel like I feel like I'm like

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Speaker 1: my own biggest critic um and very honest with myself.

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Speaker 1: But I also know when I feel like I did

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Speaker 1: good and I've just been frustrated so many times you know,

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Speaker 1: did well at them as well. But then the beats

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Speaker 1: are a lot, you know, the bad beats are worse

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Speaker 1: than the than the good winds, and uh, I just

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Speaker 1: kind of went there and supported some of our colors

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Speaker 1: kind of kind of over it. But um, yeah, it

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Speaker 1: is what it is. How's everything out there in Bozeman,

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Speaker 1: good Man, good Um, just getting ready for Alex season,

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Speaker 1: getting pumps getting you know, just like trying to iron

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Speaker 1: out all the little pieces before season. So I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm stoked about this year. I am a little bit

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Speaker 1: sugger happy, I will say, like going into it. I

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Speaker 1: think the last two years I've really tried to hold

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Speaker 1: out for big bowls. Um, but you know that that

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Speaker 1: itch starts to come back. So I haven't killed a

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Speaker 1: which as long as I've ever gone, and it's like

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Speaker 1: anything anymore. Yeah, So that that makes Yeah, that's tough.

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Speaker 1: next year, like the monkeys getting kicked off the back

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Speaker 1: early early, Like I don't even care. We can we

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Speaker 1: can build from there. It's just a building point. So

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Speaker 1: that's that's good. So we're gonna start this podcast really quickly,

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Speaker 1: like we do all of them before we jump in

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Speaker 1: the meat and potatoes of the podcast. If you have

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Speaker 1: any questions out there, um from our listeners, UM, hit

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Speaker 1: us up on social. You can email us at ct

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Speaker 1: D at Phelps game Calls dot com. We'll take questions

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Speaker 1: from past episodes, but we want to we want to

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Speaker 1: do our our best to answer the questions. You know,

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Speaker 1: we'll get Cody's opinion on the as well, but one

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Speaker 1: of the questions we get the most. And you know,

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Speaker 1: it's the middle of July. Now this will probably be airing,

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Speaker 1: you know, sometime in August. But as a beginner, elk color,

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Speaker 1: what call should I get? Which is kind of you know,

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Speaker 1: It really kind of cuts that learning curve down for

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Speaker 1: need assistance UM on biggling. The easy bigler is there,

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Speaker 1: had said, your your own system. I think we all

426
00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,639
Speaker 1: have like, hey, here's what works for us, and we

427
00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,760
Speaker 1: create that system. And just being super consistent, being consistent

428
00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:07,960
Speaker 1: in the days you put in, like doing the work,

429
00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,040
Speaker 1: you know, and all those things. Like that's what when

430
00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:14,800
Speaker 1: you find elk hunters who have been successful, you know,

431
00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,359
Speaker 1: year in and year out, you know they got twenty

432
00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:21,840
Speaker 1: racks hanging on the wall, it's usually they're very consistent, right, Um.

433
00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:24,679
Speaker 1: You know, Like there's there's the same analogy in business.

434
00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:28,080
Speaker 1: It's like it's about doing the little things. Well yeah,

435
00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,639
Speaker 1: and I think this is true for l cunning. It's like,

436
00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:32,919
Speaker 1: you know, you instead of being like, oh man, that

437
00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,560
Speaker 1: guy got lucky. Er, oh he hunts private, or he

438
00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,760
Speaker 1: does this or whatever it's like. No, they have a

439
00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,439
Speaker 1: really good system and they learned how to execute it right,

440
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,000
Speaker 1: and they they're very consistent within that system, and they're

441
00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:44,879
Speaker 1: very consistent year over year. And I think you know,

442
00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,639
Speaker 1: you find those things to be true. Yeah, and you know,

443
00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:53,000
Speaker 1: the same same as you. I'll take luck when it

444
00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,280
Speaker 1: when it comes. You know. There have been multiple times

445
00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,280
Speaker 1: where you know, I can remember one time we didn't

446
00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,160
Speaker 1: end up well, we did end up later killing the bull.

447
00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:06,159
Speaker 1: But in two thousand fourteen, Um, we we were struggling.

448
00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,679
Speaker 1: UM Kelly Smith, Charlie's wife, had drawn into Cannon Tag

449
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,880
Speaker 1: and we were in Elk every day, but we just,

450
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,879
Speaker 1: for one reason or another, nothing would work out. Um.

451
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,720
Speaker 1: We had just screwed up on maybe our twentieth bull,

452
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:20,880
Speaker 1: you know, the hunt. And it's just like we were

453
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,120
Speaker 1: just sitting there kind of just frustrating, and we could

454
00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,200
Speaker 1: hear all of a sudden a satellite bowl ripping off.

455
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,560
Speaker 1: We didn't move from our spot. Were like we were

456
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 1: almost to the point where we were throwing a big

457
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,679
Speaker 1: pisci fit. Charlie didn't want to move, like script, I'm

458
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 1: not even chasing that bowl. Um. We literally sat there

459
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 1: and that bowl ran up the ridge across the little

460
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 1: drainage and ran right back down the same ridge and

461
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,560
Speaker 1: ran into us. Like that's luck. Like we didn't do anything.

462
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 1: We were literally sitting in a spot and that bowl

463
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,440
Speaker 1: you know, came into us. Now you know, she ended

464
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,960
Speaker 1: up missing, but that was that was a hunt where

465
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,640
Speaker 1: like no skill was ever, you know, was required. Yeah,

466
00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,399
Speaker 1: we had put ourselves in that spot, but um, we

467
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,120
Speaker 1: didn't know that bowl even lived at the time we

468
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 1: went to that spot and it literally ran right into

469
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 1: us when we made a conscious effort to we're not moving. Um.

470
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 1: But but similar to you, I don't want to go

471
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,160
Speaker 1: out into the woods or out into the elk mountains,

472
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 1: whatever you wanna call it, with only having luck on

473
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 1: my side. I want to build consistent success year in

474
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 1: and year out, and by being lucky, it's not gonna happen.

475
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,880
Speaker 1: Like I think those are the and not saying anything bad,

476
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 1: but that's the other ten you know, the Yeah, that's

477
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 1: the hunters that kill ten of the elk, you know,

478
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 1: it's it's the it's the guys that rely on that

479
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 1: luck for things to come into play. Um, And so

480
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 1: I expect and one thing I just wanted to elaborate

481
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:50,160
Speaker 1: on this which you consistency. I expect to be successful

482
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 1: every morning, every night, every afternoon. Everything I do in

483
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 1: the Elk Woods, I've either drawn up a plan where

484
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 1: I can honest least see the end result being me

485
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 1: notching it to egg or standing over a dead bull

486
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 1: or my buddy standing over a dead bull. And if

487
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 1: I can't get to the point where I feel that

488
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 1: my plan is that consistent, I need to change my

489
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 1: plan right because going it, I'm not a life coach.

490
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 1: I'm not a big motivational speaker. But we're getting a

491
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 1: little bit there. If I can't draw up a plan

492
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,119
Speaker 1: or buy into a plan where I can see that

493
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 1: as an option somewhere throughout, you know, every everything I

494
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,880
Speaker 1: do that day is a building block towards killing an elk.

495
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 1: If I honestly don't believe that, and I've got to

496
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 1: like talk myself into that or lie about it, I'm

497
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 1: now going into that. I've been there that that situation

498
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 1: I'm now hunting, you know, at a very low confidence

499
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,439
Speaker 1: and where you're just literally walking through the paces and

500
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: you don't feel that everything you're doing is leading to

501
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 1: that success. It's just not great. And so if I consistency,

502
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 1: Like everything we do is a pointed movement appointed use

503
00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 1: of energy, and and we're we're trying to continue on that,

504
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: you know, that consistent success. So um, yeah, a little

505
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 1: off track there, but that's kind of how I go

506
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 1: about it in my head, that everything we do is

507
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 1: leading up to that, that consistent success. And I think

508
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 1: it's tough when you're first starting out. You don't have

509
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 1: a system. You don't have like you don't have gout

510
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,400
Speaker 1: intuition even really, um, you don't have a base of knowledge,

511
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 1: a base of experiences that you've built to where you're like, Okay,

512
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 1: I just need to keep doing this. You know, we're

513
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: we're we're hitting it. We're close. Um, A great example,

514
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 1: And I'm sure you've been here. We've all been there.

515
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 1: You're you're going out and like sometimes like man, just

516
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 1: yet twenty bowls, you you just haven't gotten close to

517
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,479
Speaker 1: you know, like something goes wrong every single time, Like, man,

518
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: am I being too aggressive? Am I not being aggressive enough? Uh?

519
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 1: You know it's like and then you start switching and

520
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, you're going back and forth and you

521
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 1: know what, what I've tried to do and I'm not

522
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 1: not perfect at this bunny stretch. But like, Okay, here's

523
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna execute this playbook over

524
00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: and over and over. And I know this playbook works

525
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 1: because it's work in the past. But if I executed

526
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: enough times, I'm going to be successful versus well, maybe

527
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 1: I should sit water. Oh maybe I should just you know,

528
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,239
Speaker 1: spot stuff like you're switching up and then you're like

529
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 1: you start to have that self doubt you like, let's

530
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 1: go over here, let's go over there, and you start

531
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 1: bouncing around and it's like, Okay, we're not executing a

532
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: system right now. It's like you can figure out your

533
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:23,360
Speaker 1: system and execute it well right and eventually it might

534
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: not work out every single time, but you know, if

535
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: you do the same plan, you kind of work through

536
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: your system. Uh. And that sounds super boring, right, Like

537
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: it sounds like, well, no, I want to just want

538
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: to go out and be spontaneous. And I think when

539
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: you try to just be spontaneous and go where the

540
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: wind blows, that's a good recipe for like only relying

541
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: on luck. Not not entirely, but I would say like

542
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 1: it leans a lot more that way, Yeah, for sure,

543
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: And that your your point there at the end kind

544
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: of rolls into your next point is being aggressive as

545
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: a skill knowing when to be patient as a skill.

546
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: But the balance between those two is an art. Um

547
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: and so all, I'll kind of roll into this one first.

548
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: Um I'm a very very aggressive hunter and caller. Um

549
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: And and being patient as a skill. I would say

550
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 1: I've learned a lot more over the last twenty years,

551
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,360
Speaker 1: because I would say, you rewind twenty years ago, everything

552
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: was aggressive and I wasn't able to I would say

553
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,719
Speaker 1: I wasn't able. I just was unwilling to roll that

554
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: back ever. Um And And as you just mentioned, my

555
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: calling system is very very prescriptive. We do this, you know,

556
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: with within some confines, it's always gonna be a little

557
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 1: bit different, but it's basically, we're gonna check the wind,

558
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: We're gonna get as close as the terrain and vegetation

559
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 1: allows us to. We are going to you know, take

560
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: his temperature. We're going to make this call, and we're

561
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: going to do that over and over and over. So

562
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: I call it, you know, very prescriptive calling in a

563
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 1: very prescriptive system, which usually the underlying theme is us

564
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: being very aggressive, getting very close, not letting time pass,

565
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,959
Speaker 1: why why we kind of got what we have on

566
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 1: the table. Um. But I also as I've gotten older,

567
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 1: and one of the things it's probably I would say,

568
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 1: have made me a better elk hunter or more successful

569
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: elk hunter, is being able to be a little bit

570
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: more patient. And so this I now look at it like,

571
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: I have my basis, my my base system, which is

572
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 1: very aggressive, but I will make slight changes to that

573
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: based system based on how the elk are reacting, because

574
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 1: I would be a fool to just say, you know what,

575
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: these elk in this area aren't biggling quite like they

576
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: were last year. They're very lacks of days of coal.

577
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna just keep going in and hammering them

578
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: and you know, seven, eight, nine, ten times in a row,

579
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: just blown them out. So I'm like, I'm still gonna

580
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 1: get close, but I'm gonna maybe change up my calling

581
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: just slightly. Now. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna be

582
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: less aggressive, but I may, you know, so I do.

583
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: I want to be aware and cognizant that that my

584
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 1: old system that worked last year or in a different

585
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: area or a different area that had different bold of

586
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: cow ratios, whatever it may be. Timing of the rut

587
00:27:55,240 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 1: um making making slight changes, but I agree, Um, I

588
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: feel like I'm finally getting to that point where I

589
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 1: know how to mix skill and and add in sprinkling

590
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: just enough patients to to make make myself like, you know,

591
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,479
Speaker 1: a more balanced hunter. UM. And you you said it's

592
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: kind of an art, which is you know, yeah, I

593
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: wouldn't say anything about me as art, but it's just

594
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: it's more of the idea that that it's kind of

595
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: just like made me a better elk hunter at this

596
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: point by not just going in. UM. I can remember

597
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: back and I think it was oh eight or o

598
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 1: nine and one of my buddies, um trevied he said

599
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 1: he was gonna archery hunt for elk finally that year.

600
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: And uh, I don't know if he was ready to

601
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: like just loose an arrow into the back of my

602
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,959
Speaker 1: calf eventually. But you know, the system that I had developed,

603
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: we had busted probably. You know that was back in

604
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: the good old days here where not a lot of

605
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: people were archery hunting, UM, and we had just been

606
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: busting out. I'm like, this is the system I've used,

607
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: like we've been using it, We've been successful, and you know,

608
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: we'd getting close and we'd end up blowing the herd out,

609
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: and he was just like, man, I'm gonna I'm going nuts,

610
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: like we're about ready to I'm not hunting with you anymore,

611
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you just gotta trust in the system,

612
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: you know. But it ultimately did work out. But it

613
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: was that style of I'm gonna get sixty sevent yards

614
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: from these elk and then we're gonna hit him with

615
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: a giant bugle. Where now if I was to rewind,

616
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: like we would still get, you know, fairly close, but

617
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: we would do things a little bit differently, you know.

618
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: And it was just it's a difference on blowing four

619
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: or five herds out versus maybe blowing one or two

620
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: of those out and getting collins on the other one.

621
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: So um, yeah, No, I like that statement. And uh,

622
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: for me, patience has only come with age because I'm

623
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: a super impatient elk hunter. Uh yeah. And I don't

624
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: know if it's you know, with with the age that

625
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: we've become more patient. Yeah. I grew up, you know,

626
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: same as you like, and that worked really well. I mean,

627
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: we we grew up hunting Roosevelt. So that was being

628
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: aggressive of this name of the game. There wasn't nearly

629
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: as many hunters, and you know, not to not to

630
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: pick on anyone, but it's like, I feel like a

631
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: lot of us cut our teeth and that super restive

632
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: blow them out. I'll find more elk mentality, and it

633
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: worked for a lot of years, and in my opinion,

634
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but I said my opinion that

635
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: dynamic has changed a little bit. And you know, I

636
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: went from Okay, I knew the call game. I knew

637
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: it really what I could do that I had that system,

638
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: you know, much like your system. It was like, I'll

639
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: just keep finding more elk and I know the system works.

640
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: It just it'll have to play out, and it plays out,

641
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: and now every year, you know, you'd play out. And

642
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: then I went to you know, eastern Montana, and I actually,

643
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: I just want to started hunting Montana. I learned from

644
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: some guys that had killed giants and you know, they

645
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: never touched a call and I was like, Okay, I

646
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: want to learn this. It's it's not for me, but

647
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: I want to learn it. And so I you know,

648
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: I went there and I've spent now almost five years, uh,

649
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: and I do a lot more glassing and spotting and stocking.

650
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: I love the fact, you know, And to me, it's

651
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: always been about mastering the game and not mastering one technique.

652
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: And so it's like, I how many times have I

653
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: put myself in a situation where it's like, man, I

654
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: could go in there and and call these elk, but

655
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna try to learn this technique of hunting,

656
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: this open country stuff, and and so now I'm at

657
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: a place where I feel like I'm super dangerous whether

658
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: an elk goes into a thick timber patch or whether

659
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: they stay out in the wide open. You know, to me,

660
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: it's always about just kind of learning mastering the game

661
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: as a whole and not mastering one system. But within

662
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: that that taught me a lot of patients. You know,

663
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: I still one pcent believe there are times where I

664
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: can go in and challenge a herd bull Uh that's

665
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,479
Speaker 1: in a timber patch, even in the most open country, right.

666
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: I just I now know both games, whereas most people

667
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: who open country would never uh never think to go

668
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: in there and do that. Like, no way, I'll just

669
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: wait until my opportunity comes. And so like it's that's

670
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: the balance. To me, it's always been like super aggressive

671
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: in my early days and during that time, those those

672
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: tactics work, and then I became much more patient. And

673
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: as I started hunting, like one particular bowl, like you

674
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: have to be really really patient, and I think I

675
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,239
Speaker 1: was like too sometimes too patient there, and that that's

676
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: why I always say there's an art when you balance

677
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: the two of like when to be aggressive and when

678
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: to be patient. And man, that takes a lot of time,

679
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: a lot of app bats to figure out, but I

680
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: do think there's a balance, and and to me, it's

681
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: like I think it's almost a necessity. I think there's

682
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: a ton of people teaching, like be super aggressive and

683
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: that's what works for them. It works for them ten

684
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: years ago, but like now there's twice as many elk hunters.

685
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: The elk are more like they're more pressure than they've

686
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: ever been. Uh, And so I you know, I feel

687
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: like more now than ever, you have to be able

688
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: to balance when to make that move. I'm still fine

689
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: with being aggressive going in there and challenge peopling, but

690
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: like it's got to be a very calculated decision because

691
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: you just don't get it as many apt bats with herds,

692
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: you know, And when we were you know, I don't know,

693
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: let's say two thousand five to two thousand and ten,

694
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: like it felt like you could just go screw up

695
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: or her bouncing the next one, screwup or herd bounce

696
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: the next one, and there was always more elk to

697
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: be messed with right where ass Today it's like you're

698
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: getting less opportunities and you kind of have to be

699
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: more careful. Not to say you don't be aggressive, because

700
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: I don't think that's the answer, because I think you

701
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: still can be aggressive in certain situations. Again, just finding

702
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: that balance for sure. The next one, I don't like Cody,

703
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna and I'm gonna

704
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: elaborate on that. Learn to be comfortable alone. It's a

705
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,719
Speaker 1: superpower few have, which I don't like. That would be

706
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: if I was, that would be my kryptonite. Um, I've

707
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: never well shoot, I mean around home. You know when

708
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: I used to hunt here, I would hunt alone. You know.

709
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: It was I learned by the school of what I

710
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: would call heart. You know, if there was a hard

711
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: Knox of hunting, it was the idea that my dad

712
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: and my uncle and my grandpa and his brothers learned

713
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: to hunt this way. It was I'm scared to death

714
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: of big timber and they would drop us off in

715
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: these big canyons here around home. You know. We would

716
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: glass clear cuts the first hour and a half maybe hour,

717
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: and then they would drop you off in a timber

718
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,720
Speaker 1: patch and they would literally say, you hunt down this canyon.

719
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 1: There'll be a bridge at the bottom, will pick you

720
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: up at five to night. Um. I'm like, I was

721
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: scared to death, and and I always joke with my

722
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: dad like I could maybe thank you for making me

723
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: figure out how to be a great elkhun right off

724
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: the bat. I learned to kill elk because I was

725
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: more scared of trying to get through this big timber

726
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: patch and not get lost. So if I killed an elk,

727
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: I could jump on the radio and tell these guys like, hey,

728
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: you guys gotta come find me now, you know, versus

729
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: me happen to hunt for that, you know, next eight

730
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 1: hours down a canyon. Um. And so I was kind

731
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: of joked that it made me a better elk hunter

732
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: because the quicker I could find these elk and kill him, um,

733
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: the less I had to be by myself out there.

734
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: But no, I I don't do well. Um and and

735
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 1: over the last you know, I did some deer hunts

736
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: this year by my self, but um, you know it's

737
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: just one day or is like overnight? Really probably would

738
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: you know, and it wouldn't bother me. It's just I

739
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 1: feel confident, like I like the balance ideas, even if

740
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 1: it's my camera guy or if it's just my buddy, Like, hey,

741
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: you know the elker here. Do you think that you

742
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: know they're that far away through that direction? Um, I

743
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: don't have the superpower of being able to necessarily be alone,

744
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: um overnight, multiple overnights. Um. So I can't really elaborate

745
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: on that one, but I agree it is it is

746
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: a great um you know, uh option to have. I

747
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: I just don't know how I I guess I've never

748
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: tested myself either. But UM, I don't like the idea

749
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: of it, which is is probably why you should do it,

750
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: um you know. And I think there's another one. I said,

751
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is on the list you

752
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: want to cover, but you know I do. First off,

753
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: I do believe that a great hunting partner is worth

754
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 1: three times the cost of having another tag to fill,

755
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: and a bad partner is cost three times as much.

756
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is like you're going

757
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: to hunt and say I have another body, right, I've

758
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: been a solo hunter for so long that, uh, it

759
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: seems funny to me, like why I would take someone

760
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: else hunting, because it's like, now I just get a

761
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: hunt half the time, you know, give me a ten

762
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: day hunt, and like now I'm trying to fill your

763
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 1: tag for at least five but you know I'm probably

764
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: more than that. And and so it's like it's always

765
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: been funny to me, like why would I take someone else?

766
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 1: I don't really need anyone else. Um, And we've all

767
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: been there on a bad experience where you you take

768
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: someone hunting and it's just like, oh my god, Like

769
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: it's you know, they drag you down, they don't want

770
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: to go places. Uh you know, they're just mentally not

771
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: as strong as you, and so it drags you down

772
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 1: as well. And so like, outside of that, I do

773
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: think that hunting alone, one of the things that I've

774
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: been able to do is like, once once you're at

775
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 1: the point where you're comfortable with being alone and and

776
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: kind of just operating in your own headspace, is like

777
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: I don't have to rely on anyone else's decision. Uh,

778
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,959
Speaker 1: that's good and bad, right, But I also I never

779
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: have I never not do something because is like, even

780
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: if you and I were together, And maybe this is

781
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 1: not the perfect example, but if you and I were together,

782
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: it would be like, well, I don't know if I

783
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: want to go down there, I don't know if Jason

784
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: wants to go, I'll just we'll just stay up here.

785
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: We'll just do this, you know, like you tend to

786
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: take things differently, you do a different procedure. And I've

787
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: just found that when I'm alone, I push myself farther

788
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: than if I'm with someone. And that sounds kind of intuitive, um,

789
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: but like for me, it's just like I've always pushed

790
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: myself farther when I'm alone, and I'm like, Okay, I

791
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 1: can make this decision. I can move quicker. I don't

792
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: have to think about it, you know. The one downside

793
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: is that, man, there's so many times where I wish

794
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 1: I could just be like, there's a guy calling for

795
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: me a hundred yards away, and this would have been

796
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 1: a done deal, you know, but I don't know. To me,

797
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 1: like it's just it's a great superpower because it allows

798
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: me to do uh, push do more uh and not

799
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: have to like run decisions, not have that like decision

800
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: fatigue of like hey do you want to do this?

801
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: Do you not want to do this? Overthinking things? Yeah, no,

802
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: We're I'm gonna have a couple of points to add

803
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 1: to that and kind of skip four were to that

804
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 1: good hunting partners versus bad Uh. One thing I would

805
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: recommend to everybody if you don't have a die hard

806
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: hunting partner, like, don't assume the guy that you get

807
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: along with three fifty days out of the year is

808
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,439
Speaker 1: going to make a great hunting partner, because I don't

809
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: know what it is about elk hunting. Um, you know,

810
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: physical fatigue, mental fatigue, things not going your way. But um,

811
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: a normal friendship may not work very well you know

812
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: in the elk would so make sure you went scouting

813
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: with this person, like you know, playing some shorter trips

814
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: like two or three days scouting. Um, You're I've been fortunate. Um,

815
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 1: but here's where my good hunting partners You don't John Nick, Charlie,

816
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: you know, Dirk, these guys that I've hunted with, is

817
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 1: that decision making um or calling? You know, I get

818
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: frustrated if I'm the shooter, and the color is like

819
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: not doing what I want them to do. And then

820
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: you know, the first thing enters your head is like

821
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: this idiot, you know, even though they're you're one of

822
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: your best buddies, Like why doesn't this guy know how

823
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: to call elk? You know, and you start the question, Well,

824
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 1: then it you know, some of the battling of like, well,

825
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,439
Speaker 1: it's my day to hunt, I want to go here.

826
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: But then I'm trying to give like very good educated

827
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: you know, because we've all been there. We've all got

828
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: our own experience as we pull from Like John, I

829
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: don't want to cross the creek and go up the

830
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: other side. I want to stay on our side of

831
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: the drainage because you know, of of this, this and this,

832
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: and we were there two days ago and there were

833
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: multiple herd bowls in a rut fest, and but it's

834
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: like it's his day to hunt, and so now I'm

835
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: like pissed at John the rest of the day, you know,

836
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: or whatever it may be, Like we went on the

837
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: other side, it's you know, or you go over there

838
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: and it sucks, and then you're kind of like told

839
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: you so all day, like should just listen to my plan.

840
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: I've been here, you know enough. But you know, with

841
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 1: with respect for him, he's also been in situations enough. Um.

842
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's a lot of that decision making where

843
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: if you are solo, um, you know, you just get

844
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: to do what you want to do. But yeah, I

845
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: mean it's like as as you like you think about

846
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: like dogging and herd. Um, I would say if you're

847
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: if your go to tactic is like, oh, we're gonna

848
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: fin located milk, move in and we're gonna try to

849
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: call him in. Then having a pardon or really it

850
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 1: does help. Or even those situations where like one guy

851
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: stays up on the hill, keep them talking, I'll moving.

852
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: Those are great for having a hunting partner when it

853
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: comes to dogging or herd or like just you know

854
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 1: moving as quietly as you can or or you know,

855
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: putting a stock on our herd generally speaking, like it's

856
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: not beneficial to have a second person, right, and so

857
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: like there's just certain situations for me, it just I

858
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: don't know, I always worked out better to be solo, yep,

859
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: until you have to pack them out and then I'm like, man,

860
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: I wish Yeah, yeah, it's yeah, it's funny how that works.

861
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 1: But I might have to one of these days. I'm

862
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: have to plan a hunt where it's just me and

863
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: see if I'm if I'm tough enough to do it.

864
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 1: So the next one here is something you can control

865
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: in a game of unknowns. A crutches, the device that

866
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 1: someone depends on. No the difference. Um, yeah, I mean

867
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 1: I can go like, what's your thought? Okay, So a

868
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: lot of the stems from m I talked. I mean,

869
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: it's been a lot of time I talked to new

870
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: hunters and whatnot, and I feel like a lot of

871
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: people are, oh, should I get this tent or this

872
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: camo or this gear or this thing, And I don't know,

873
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: since for a long time, I've kind of always said, like,

874
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: by tags, not gear, and I mean by experiences and

875
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: stop worrying about equipment. I was dude, dead, broke, poor,

876
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it growing up, and we

877
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: didn't have options. And so when I came in, I

878
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: mean a hunted since I can remember. So gear has

879
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: never really been like a thing for me. Like there's

880
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: things I wish I had or wanted to have, but

881
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: I've just kind of operated on this, like I just

882
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: hunt with what I have, and that's a mentality. I

883
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:39,280
Speaker 1: think it's different when you come into it adult onset hunting,

884
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 1: if you will, and you're like, Okay, what do I need?

885
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: And I get the argument that you're like, okay, I

886
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: want to be comfortable because then I'll stay out there longer.

887
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: I understand that argument. I don't really agree with it

888
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: as as much because it's like I've just done this

889
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 1: when I was poor and had nothing, and so like,

890
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: to me, it never really made sense. But I think

891
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:02,479
Speaker 1: it's like you can try to worry about what gear

892
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: you have and what's going to be this and it's

893
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: in a world of like, Okay, I'm gonna go into

894
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: this new unit. Maybe I'm going into the wilderness, uh,

895
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 1: and and like I just don't know what's gonna happen,

896
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 1: I you know, all these things. I think people try

897
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: to worry about what what gear they're gonna take because

898
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: it's the only thing that they can tangibly controls, the

899
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: only thing they can like, oh if I get the

900
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: best of this, right, and I I feel like that's

901
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: a little bit of a crutch for trying to maybe

902
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: better understand you know, even just he scouting right or

903
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: like working through scenarios or like just trying to figure

904
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: out what all the game plans are. Uh. And that's

905
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: a better to me, a better use of my worry

906
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: than what pants I'm wearing. And I do feel like

907
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:49,919
Speaker 1: people tend to key in on that gear, uh more

908
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: than I don't know, say, like, if I look at

909
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: all the greatest hunters that I looked up to and

910
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: respected growing up, that we're like, you know, they none

911
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: of them care. They were blue jeans and flannels, you know,

912
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 1: but they got it done and so like, to me,

913
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: I just feel like there's a lot of adult onset

914
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: hunters that worry about, you know, their gear too much.

915
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 1: I get it. If you like going to like I

916
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: totally disagree, blah blah blah blah blah. No, no, I'm

917
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: I'm fully on board with that. Um I would say

918
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: twenty years ago, Um, you know, when I didn't have

919
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: great gear, I was always looking to upgrade pieces. But

920
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: if you were, I don't even I get a hunt

921
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 1: with a lot of people, and you know, some people

922
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 1: have got like the nicest news gear and it's like

923
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: organized and like and this isn't necessarily right to the idea,

924
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 1: but it's in the nicest. You know, it's in the

925
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: perfect little pocket, folded up in the perfect spot. You

926
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: go to look at me, like all my stuff is

927
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: just like jammed in a bag. I know that it's

928
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: gonna work, you know. I grew up similar to you.

929
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: You know, my dad's and my dad and my uncle's.

930
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: They were the guys that hunted in white New Balance

931
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: tennis shoes so they could make sure they weren't stepping

932
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: on sticks and making noise. You know. That's how they

933
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: were taught. You. You know, the elk don't know you live,

934
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: and they hunted in sweatpants and a red flannel, you know,

935
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: or their their logging jeans, depending on how hot it

936
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: was and how quiet they wanted to be. Um, you know.

937
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 1: And and so gears one of those things I don't

938
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: even think about, or I don't necessarily associate with my success,

939
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: similar to you, it's it's there. I want to have

940
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 1: very nice gear. But we've all, I don't say we all.

941
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: I get the fortune of seeing a lot of these guys,

942
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: you know, because they're they're struggling year in a year out,

943
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: and they can't seem to kind of break that barrier

944
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 1: to success. But they've always got the newest bow, and

945
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: they've always got brand new rain gear, and they've got

946
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: a new pack this year, and they've got now by

947
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: all means, if if that makes you feel more confident,

948
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: But I agree with you, And the reason it becomes

949
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: a crutch is because they feel that somehow that new

950
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: gear is bridging the gap to their success, when really

951
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 1: they probably can't shoot the new you know, two bow

952
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: any better than they could one bow, or those new

953
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: pants they're wearing aren't gonna get them to the next

954
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: ridge back because they didn't spend the time to get

955
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 1: in shape, you know. And so it that's where that

956
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 1: gear becomes a crutch, Like, yeah, you've got it, and

957
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: maybe in your head it's like a placebo or kind

958
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,439
Speaker 1: of that fall as confidence. But yeah, don't don't rely

959
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:07,720
Speaker 1: on your gear because gear is never killed an animal.

960
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: It's just added to the comfort. It's added to the

961
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 1: ability to go deeper, farthest, stay longer, um, you know,

962
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: whatever it may be, but it's not going No piece

963
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: of gear is going to make you a better elk hunter, um,

964
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: you know, without knowing how to use it and putting

965
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,760
Speaker 1: it into action. And that's why I just believe it's

966
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: it can be a crutch. Is if I worry that's

967
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: the thing I'm worrying about or trying to improve, it

968
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: means I'm taking my focus off worrying and improving something else.

969
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: And I think there's far better things if you just

970
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: want to be successful to improve than you know what

971
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: pair of pans you were? Yep, I agree that completely.

972
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: The next one. There is compounding success in doing the

973
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,399
Speaker 1: same thing year after year, but there comes a point

974
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: when it hurts your growth. And we touched on this

975
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: one a little bit earlier. Um with more of the

976
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: aggressive um and then knowing when to be patient. That's

977
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: probably the biggest um. You know, when we talk about

978
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:01,919
Speaker 1: the same thing you're after, you're being prescriptive, but then

979
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: you know, you taking the chance and and like I'm

980
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: gonna learn the spot and stock me taking the chance

981
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 1: of not being so aggressive and learning you know, timing

982
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: when to be as aggressive as I used to, but

983
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: when to kick it back a notch um. There was

984
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: never a situation back twenty years ago when I you know,

985
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: or or farther when I started this, if I had

986
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: a bowl, you know, seven twenty in the evening and

987
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,720
Speaker 1: it was gonna be dark by eight I was bombing

988
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,240
Speaker 1: over there with like every you know, last ditch effort.

989
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 1: I had to go over there and kill that bowl.

990
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: Now there may be an instance where I'm like, you

991
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: know what, We're gonna sit back, make sure that bowl

992
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,479
Speaker 1: doesn't smell us, make sure he doesn't know that there's

993
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: you know, another elk you know, also known as me

994
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: trying to call him in like there's it just is

995
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: gonna be a better situation if we don't mess with

996
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: him until the morning or the thermals are going to

997
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: be right, you know, rather than risking it. And so

998
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: I'm you know, very similar to the one we talked

999
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: about earlier. For me, it turns into more of an

1000
00:46:55,719 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: aggressive or you know, learning new styles and picking up um,

1001
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 1: you know, just recognizing um. And then there's just more

1002
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: experience um like you get the you know, I've been

1003
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: very fortunate five or six weeks a year for the

1004
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: last um, you know, five years elk hunting, and a

1005
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: lot before that. Just the more I can stack up

1006
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: and experience, the more I'm like, hey, I've been in

1007
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: this situation before. I've tried to do this twenty times

1008
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: the same way, and it's failed every time, let's recognize that,

1009
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: draw up a different plan, and let's go do that,

1010
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: you know. So, yeah, I agree. If if I only

1011
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 1: ever did the aggressive calling the same way every time,

1012
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: I wasn't becoming a better elk hunter. And even if

1013
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,720
Speaker 1: you know what, I consider myself successful. But I'm still

1014
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: going out every day, every every minute out there, I'm

1015
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: trying to learn and just hone my skills and get better. Yeah,

1016
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: And I think like the basic version of this is, uh,

1017
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: you know, you find success in something, and there's two

1018
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: types of people. There's the type of person that just

1019
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: keeps renting and repeating until it stops working, and then

1020
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: there's the type of person who wants to grow. And

1021
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:03,760
Speaker 1: so it's like, how how do you want to define

1022
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: your set success? And you can define your success is

1023
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 1: like oh, how many bulls I've killed? Right? And I

1024
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: think the best way to do that is to hunt

1025
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: the same spot, the same area and do the same things, like,

1026
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: because you'll get really good at that. You could, you know,

1027
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 1: shoot a five point Roosevelt every single year. At the

1028
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: end of your career, you'll have thirty five point Roosevelts,

1029
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And maybe a couple of

1030
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: you know, booners in there because you know that's what

1031
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 1: came through. You see it with fishing, right, um, fishing

1032
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: is actually a decent example of this is like there's

1033
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: people who can do this one thing really well and

1034
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: they can rent and repeat it um. And then there's

1035
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: people who like I want to go I want to

1036
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: master my craft and learn different techniques. I want to

1037
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 1: learn different fish, want to go to new areas and

1038
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: the same Like to me, like that's how you you

1039
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,760
Speaker 1: focus on getting better. So like a great like good example,

1040
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: I you know, didn't kill an elk the last two years,

1041
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: but did I grow as an elk hunter a hundred percent?

1042
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: Like I've gone far better. You know, I could have

1043
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: just stayed hunting the September and doing the call game

1044
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 1: and probably killed elk every year, but like, you know,

1045
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: I took two years to kind of I wouldn't even

1046
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: say go backwards, but to grow and in my knowledge

1047
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: of the game. Right, And I was like, Okay, I

1048
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: want to you know, I want to master all these

1049
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: aspects of the game, and that's gonna help me grow

1050
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, I could go back,

1051
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: you know, I could go back to Oregon and hunt roosevelts,

1052
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: and I still know that game. But what I've picked

1053
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,720
Speaker 1: up by hunting the open country, um, you know, hunting

1054
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: the breaks in Montana is going to teach me a

1055
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 1: lot about you know, hunting roosevelts. You have a different thing.

1056
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 1: My patience has grown. Like the most simple version is like, yeah,

1057
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 1: my patience has grown a lot. You know, I'm way

1058
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: more patient on which attacks I make, which moments I

1059
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:42,720
Speaker 1: you know, make those attacks, and so just like, okay,

1060
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: do you want to grow? And so I don't know,

1061
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: it's it's uh just kind of a blanket statement of like,

1062
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 1: are you trying to be successful? Ak shoot one elk?

1063
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: Are you trying to increase your ability as an el

1064
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: connor to be successful? Yeah? And that's that's where I

1065
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: was at UM. I had a great Idaho spot and

1066
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: and to this day when we walked out of it,

1067
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: I haven't been back since um two thousand seventeen and

1068
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: the place is just on fire. But we had three

1069
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 1: good years in there, and I'm like, I can can

1070
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: probably you know similar, I can rinse and repeat. Just

1071
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 1: like you said, I know the area, I know where

1072
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 1: the elk rat. But it wasn't satisfying anymore, and people

1073
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: can be like, well, and this is where, and I

1074
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: don't I don't dodge it at all. Sport hunting versus

1075
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: like filling the freezer, and I like to do both.

1076
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 1: I wanted to go fill the freezer in a different area,

1077
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 1: and you can call it sport, but I wanted to

1078
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: challenge myself because ultimately my goal and it can be

1079
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: I don't know why it's even said as a goal.

1080
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 1: I would love to be dropped into any area, whether

1081
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: it's the mountains, whether it's a sage brush, whether it's

1082
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: the arid desert of Arizona and New Mexico, whether it's

1083
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 1: the mountains of Idaho, wherever it is, and I want

1084
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 1: to be the best elk hunter possible at that point

1085
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: when somebody dropped me in there. Um, it's kind of

1086
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: a weird. It's a weird idea, but I want to

1087
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: be if you give me a gun, you know, late November.

1088
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: I want to be a smart NFL hunter. I know

1089
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: what those elk are doing. You know, their their outfeed

1090
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: and they're recuperating from the rut. They're gonna be off

1091
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 1: on their own versus you put me in you know,

1092
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: super pre rut in Western Washington, and I want to

1093
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:15,879
Speaker 1: know what to do. I want to be that that

1094
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: type of elk hunter that knows it all from you know,

1095
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: a to z any situation any time of year. Um.

1096
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, I still haven't been back to Idaho. I

1097
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 1: literally left the place on fire with bull's biggle and

1098
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 1: like crazy and uh, it just is what it is.

1099
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: I wanted to see, you know, life short. We only

1100
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: get so many years to do this, and I just

1101
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 1: wanted to see other country and challenge myself in different ways.

1102
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: But um yeah, no, um, you know we should we

1103
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: should do this some day. I keep saying I'm gonna

1104
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: do this. Um. I would love to challenge myself to

1105
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: go to Colorado and be like, okay, how many days

1106
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: is the tech to killing elk um? Because I'm never

1107
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: hunted in Colorado. I know it's it's very high pressure,

1108
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:57,879
Speaker 1: you know, like it's a totally different type of hunt.

1109
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,839
Speaker 1: And and I would love to like just document like, okay,

1110
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: my test my skills is an elk gutter and go

1111
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: to like over the counter Colorado hunt and see if

1112
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 1: we can get it done, you know, in in like

1113
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: three days, and just see if it's possible. I'm sure

1114
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: you'd be fine. But now yeah, it's it's just challenging yourself. Um.

1115
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: Once you find success, um, you know, continue to build

1116
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: on that and and keep adding blocks to your game.

1117
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 1: You know, build build a bigger house. I guess, Um,

1118
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: so the next the next one. Um, you're going to

1119
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: think killing an Elk is a success. But when you

1120
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: look back, all you will see as the memory of

1121
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: the cool moments and in parentheses you had which you

1122
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: hated the most at the time. Um, I'll let you go.

1123
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: I I I agree and disagree with this statement, and

1124
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: and I'll but I'll let you take a first crack

1125
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: out it and I'm gonna add to it. I mean,

1126
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: I think this like plays nicely to that last one

1127
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: you just talked about. It's like, you know, it's it's

1128
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: about building those skills. And in early days when I started,

1129
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 1: you know, killing Elk was with success, right, Like I

1130
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: just want to kill it Olk. And you know, when

1131
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 1: I look act on my season, the moments I remember

1132
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: the most, the memories that make me smile. Dude, they're

1133
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 1: not even killing out. There's those moments are there, but

1134
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: like it's the misses, Like it's the you know, I

1135
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:18,399
Speaker 1: don't know screw ups. It's the like close encounters more

1136
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,760
Speaker 1: far more than anything. You know, it's like both screaming

1137
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: and you're like, man, like remember that time, and those

1138
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:25,919
Speaker 1: are like the moments you're gonna remember. And I think

1139
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,439
Speaker 1: it's easy. You know, a lot of this is talking

1140
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 1: about how to be successful, and I get that that's

1141
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: what we all focus on. And maybe this is to

1142
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 1: your point of you know, the hunting white people home

1143
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: with partners, and I get that there's a lot of

1144
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: people like, man, I don't know to be successful hunt

1145
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: because I want to hang out with my dad or

1146
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 1: I want to hang out with my brother or whatever,

1147
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: and like those are me the moments you're gonna remember. Um.

1148
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: So it's it's kind of like a play on the

1149
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: whole be here now. And I think this is just

1150
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: great life advice to say, like, you know, all these

1151
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: moments that you're trying to strive for and push hard,

1152
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: and I'm a huge fan of like work your face

1153
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: off for it. But at the same time, don't forget

1154
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: to like take a glimpse into like what you're doing

1155
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: right now, because when I look back on on all

1156
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: the hunting seasons, you know, like the moments where it

1157
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 1: was just a suck fester or a pack out. Uh,

1158
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: those are the ones I like, I remember the most.

1159
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:18,760
Speaker 1: And you just said Idaho And I can particularly remember

1160
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: a pack out in Idaho killed the boles solo, and

1161
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: it's just it's raining sideways and all this, and I

1162
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: was like, this is so dumb. Why did I do this?

1163
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: Why am I in here? Like all those things? And

1164
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 1: like in retrospect now I'm like, what a cool moment,

1165
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And like that that was

1166
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: a part of killing the elk, But it was just

1167
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: a miserable moment within that. Yeah, And I'm I'm the

1168
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: same way. Um, the moments you hate everything about your

1169
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: questioning why you're doing this. Um, you know I've I've

1170
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 1: still got elk in the freezer. I could have hunted

1171
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: lower on the mountain. Um. You know, when you're miserable, sweating, hurting, hungry,

1172
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: you look back on those times and it's like that

1173
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: was that was the best part of that hunt. Um.

1174
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 1: I don't know why our brains work that way. UM.

1175
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's because it's because you're you know,

1176
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: you're just grinding in that memory and so it just

1177
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: it's more vivid later. I don't know what it is,

1178
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 1: but yeah, most of what you remember or either one

1179
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: the hardest times or number two the unique and chaotic times.

1180
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: And by chaotic I mean like good elk encounters, like

1181
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 1: you know, the rough best you get into just you know,

1182
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: all of your all of your senses, they're like pegged.

1183
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: You know, You're you're seeing elk and bowls running everywhere,

1184
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: You're hearing them, you're smelling them. You know. It's like,

1185
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if if it gets that deep, but

1186
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: for me, it's like it literally triggered every sense that

1187
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:41,720
Speaker 1: I had. Um, you know, it's just you know, that's

1188
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: what it's about. But I did want to peel this

1189
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: one back a little bit um on on killing an

1190
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: elk being a success. So I think there's two different

1191
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: ways to define success. There's the younger me and since

1192
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: we are talking about twenty years ago, to me, success

1193
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: meant that I killed an elk. I I felt back

1194
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: then it was a little more important. I was either

1195
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 1: establishing myself is a good elk hunter. I wanted approval

1196
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 1: from you know, my dad and uncles and grandpa that

1197
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: you know, hey, this guy is becoming a good elk hunter,

1198
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 1: like it was more about the killing of the elk.

1199
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: Fast forward to now, and I still I still needed

1200
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 1: to be a success, but it's more about accomplishing goals

1201
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 1: that I've set out for myself and a challenge that

1202
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: I've given myself. And so, like I said, there's a

1203
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 1: success with the the idea that I've killed an elk,

1204
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: but there's now the success with the idea that I

1205
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: set a goal for myself. I challenged myself and I

1206
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: met it. So that's where I said, I kind of

1207
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 1: agree with the idea that the you know that the

1208
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 1: hard times or what you remember. But then as far

1209
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 1: as the definition of success, um, I still want to

1210
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: be successful due to goal accomplishing. And when I look back,

1211
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,399
Speaker 1: it's like, all right, that one was a success because

1212
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: we went to this unit in Wyoming with the intention

1213
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 1: of killing you know, a mature six point bull, and

1214
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: I did my e scouting, I had did all of

1215
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 1: my calling the biologists and whatever it may be. And

1216
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: because of all that, this hunt was a success as well. So, um,

1217
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 1: I still challenge myself to a point where you know,

1218
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it's like militant like demanding him success

1219
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: to myself. But I put a lot of pressure on

1220
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: myself every year, and it's not because I need to

1221
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: kill for anybody else. It's it's because of what I

1222
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 1: expect out of myself and and just holding myself to

1223
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: a pretty high standard. Yeah, and that's I mean, I

1224
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: think we're on the same page on that. It just

1225
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: you know, like you and I book grew up in

1226
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: very successful hunting families, and so like there's always that

1227
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 1: seek of approval, like you want your you know, your dad,

1228
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: you want to kill el because like that's what dad did,

1229
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: that's what grandpa did, and and like that's who you

1230
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: want to become, right, and then like as you progress,

1231
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: the goal marker keeps moving right, And you know, like

1232
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 1: the advice I'd give myself twenty years ago is like,

1233
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:00,919
Speaker 1: just pay attention to the journey, because when you look back,

1234
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: those minors successes all made up the journey, and the

1235
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 1: journey was kind of cool. Um. And so but within

1236
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,479
Speaker 1: that there's micro decisions Like that was a big piece

1237
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: of my decision to like, Okay, I'm gonna do this

1238
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 1: stupid thing called hunting open country, Like it's not my game,

1239
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna suck at it. But that's a great piece

1240
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: of like going backwards to go forward, because I have

1241
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 1: to say, like, okay, you want to get better, not

1242
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: necessarily be successful, and I it ties right into that

1243
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: other one is like just from like when you're twenty,

1244
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: you're like journey, what journey? Like We're justout killing elk

1245
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 1: and having fun and that's fine. It's just like those

1246
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,919
Speaker 1: micro decisions of going to new places and you did

1247
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: the same thing, right you were and I how you

1248
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: were successful, but like a party, you had this itch

1249
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 1: to go try something new and test yourself in a

1250
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: new environment. And you know, it's the same when I

1251
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: was like, I remember the first time I was nervous

1252
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: in a long time. I've done a lot of things

1253
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 1: that were I had been there, done that, but like

1254
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: going for sixteen days into the wilderness on horseback so

1255
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: low it was like that's you know, can I do

1256
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: it whatever? And I'm pushing myself and like when I

1257
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 1: look back, um, you know that was an unsuccessful hunt.

1258
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: I came out and end up killing a bowl, um

1259
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 1: you know, in different place, But that sixteen days was

1260
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 1: like that was a good test of your skill. And

1261
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's tons of people are like I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't care about that. I just want to be successful.

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Speaker 1: My advice to my myself, you know, twenty years ago,

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Speaker 1: whenever it was two years ago, would be like, hey,

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00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 1: just do new things, challenge yourself in new ways, because

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Speaker 1: if you only focus on this goal of you know,

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Speaker 1: killing elk uh, it'll make the journey uh less wide, right,

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Speaker 1: Like it's a it's just kind of a simple journey

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Speaker 1: of like, oh, yeah, you were successful in the same

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Speaker 1: way and the same thing over time. So it kind

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Speaker 1: of ties right back into what we're talking about, Like

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Speaker 1: that's why you go to new places, why you test

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Speaker 1: yourself in new ways. And I get that everyone's in

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Speaker 1: a different place in their journey. And if you're listening

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Speaker 1: to this and you're like, I'm just trying to kill

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Speaker 1: my first elk, I get it. Like don't let me

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Speaker 1: talk too big on you, because like we've all been there,

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Speaker 1: and like killing your first elk is step one, right,

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Speaker 1: and maybe if you have killed nelk yet, like hunt

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01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 1: the same place, don't go try to test yourself by

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01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 1: being in new areas, new ways, like find a system

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01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: that works, and then before you go take the step

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01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 1: to like I want to go to a new place

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Speaker 1: figure that step out right, because you did the building

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Speaker 1: blocks and you can't just like seek the end goal

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Speaker 1: of like I want to kill an elk in every

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Speaker 1: single state. Like maybe you should start with like what's

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Speaker 1: block one, which is killing an elk in my home state?

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Speaker 1: For sure, we're about only halfway through these, Cody. We

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Speaker 1: may have to bring you back for part two because

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Speaker 1: we're kind of running on time. But I did I

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Speaker 1: want to give you a chance kind of maybe explain

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Speaker 1: a little bit about the rich ideas, some of the

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Speaker 1: stuff you've got going on, how people can you reach

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Speaker 1: out to you? And then um, in closing, I'll ask

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Speaker 1: for your kind of your gold nugget for all counters

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Speaker 1: out there, but go ahead and give us a little

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Speaker 1: bit about yourself and some of the stuff you've got

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Speaker 1: going on before we close up here. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: I run a podcast and we talked a lot about

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Speaker 1: entrepreneurship and hunting all those things, many projects, the ideas

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Speaker 1: lab um and actually I just I'm launching so I

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Speaker 1: mean a lot of people probably know I have wappty Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: which is like our Patreon only podcast, and we do

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Speaker 1: olk podcasts every single week. Um, but on top of that,

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of launching an elk to a one course uh,

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Speaker 1: and it's definitely not for beginners, like these are the

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Speaker 1: these are the nuggets that I've learned in five D

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Speaker 1: plus podcasts. Uh. And so if you're interested in like

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Speaker 1: the next level of skills, check out my elk to

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Speaker 1: a one of course. Uh. It's gonna be like fifty bucks.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's like this is how you become

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Speaker 1: to my My goal is to double your success rate.

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Speaker 1: So if you've never hunted before, like, don't worry, like,

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Speaker 1: don't take this course, go take you know, the l

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Speaker 1: Collective or something else. But if if you want to

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Speaker 1: double your success rate, uh, and go from that a

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Speaker 1: ten percent success rate to twenty or even thirty forty

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Speaker 1: success rate. This is like the things you need to

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Speaker 1: focus on. And a lot of the stem from having

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Speaker 1: you know, hundreds of podcasts and people like, oh, what's

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Speaker 1: the what's the one thing I need to listen to?

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Speaker 1: What's the best advice? Like Okay, I'll just put together

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Speaker 1: like a three to four hour course that's like here's

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Speaker 1: what you need to know. Um, and we're actually gonna

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Speaker 1: make an audio file as well, so as I know Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's almost seasoned, so like trying to go watch videos,

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Speaker 1: you don't have time for that. So we made an

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Speaker 1: audio only file. So if you want to check that out, Uh,

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Speaker 1: go to the Rish Outdoors dot net four slash two

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Speaker 1: A one and we'll we'll have everything there perfect perfect Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you, and um, you're one piece of advice for

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Speaker 1: Newell cuners out there and maybe people struggling to find success. Um,

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Speaker 1: just a one liner or something that that you think

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Speaker 1: they need to know. Man, I would say, like the

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Speaker 1: difference between you know, people who have success rate and

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Speaker 1: ten percent sexist rate is just pure effort. I just

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Speaker 1: don't think people understand how much how hard those guys

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Speaker 1: are working and when they get when they show up

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Speaker 1: in the field, it's not like, hey, this is my vacation.

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Speaker 1: It's like we have work to do and I'm about

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Speaker 1: to get it done. That's like if you could just

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Speaker 1: experience what it's like to go hunting with Jason is

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Speaker 1: like I remember hunted with Jason, but I know exactly

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Speaker 1: how it is. It's like he's just gonna go all

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Speaker 1: in and like everything is towards that goal. What and

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Speaker 1: I know, like we just talked about like all this

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Speaker 1: other stuff, but I think the amount of effort that

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Speaker 1: goes in is like, once you show up, it's got

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Speaker 1: to be game time. If you want to be successful

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Speaker 1: every single year, you gotta you gotta treat it like such.

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Speaker 1: Yeah I like that, Um yeah, and just elaborate on

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Speaker 1: a little bit like I show up just like you

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Speaker 1: do it your normal job. And I don't like to

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Speaker 1: think of hunting as a job, so don't don't get

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Speaker 1: that mixed up. But I show up with a this

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Speaker 1: is my job and my my goal, and this is

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Speaker 1: the check marks and and this is how I accomplish it.

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Speaker 1: And I don't like to fail, and so no, very

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Speaker 1: very systematically, and this is the effort required to do it.

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Speaker 1: And I'm willing to do that. So I really appreciate

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Speaker 1: having you on Cody um as a great converse Asian

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Speaker 1: good luck this fall, and yeah, it's nice nice catching

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01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 1: up with you likewise, but yeah, that's a luck. Keep

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Speaker 1: crushing it, killing big bulls, making me jealous, all those things.

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Speaker 1: We'll try, h