WEBVTT - Bloomberg Daybreak Weekend: Central Bank Decisions

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<v Speaker 1>the program, the Fed decides J Powell and Company make

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<v Speaker 1>a key interest rate decision. I'm Tom Busby in New York.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Kathie Lyons in Washington, where President Biden is preparing

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<v Speaker 2>to head to New York for the UN General as Sunday.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Caroline Hepga here in London, where we're looking ahead

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<v Speaker 3>to the next Bank of England rate decision.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm Doug Prisner. Inflation in Japan is above target. Now

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<v Speaker 4>it's up to the Bank of Japan.

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<v Speaker 1>Good day to you. I'm Tom Busby, and we begin

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<v Speaker 1>today's program with the Federal Reserve meeting again this week,

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<v Speaker 1>after nearly two months since the last MED decision, in

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<v Speaker 1>which J. Powell and Central bank policymakers raised their benchmark

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<v Speaker 1>lending rate to a twenty two year high. So will

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<v Speaker 1>the Fed hit pause again or is there another rate

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<v Speaker 1>hike in the cards. We'll find out Wednesday and for

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<v Speaker 1>more we're joined by Bloomberg International Economics and Policy correspondent

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<v Speaker 1>Michael McKee. Now, before we take a deeper dive into

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<v Speaker 1>the data, the FED is looking at what are you

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<v Speaker 1>expecting to see from the FOMC this week?

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<v Speaker 6>I think I go with the consensus on Wall Street

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<v Speaker 6>that the Fed will pause. They gave every indication in

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<v Speaker 6>their speeches, those who did speak since the last meeting

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<v Speaker 6>that they are not in a hurry to raise rates again.

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<v Speaker 6>They leave it on the table, but not in a hurry.

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<v Speaker 6>And so they've created a consensus on Wall Street that

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<v Speaker 6>they're not going to do anything and they would be

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<v Speaker 6>loath to surprise investors.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about rates and where they are right now.

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<v Speaker 1>We're at a range of five and a quarter to

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<v Speaker 1>five and a half percent. That's a twenty two year high, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and how high can they go?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, they've only said that they would go one more time,

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<v Speaker 6>and that may change at this meeting, but if they did,

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<v Speaker 6>they'd go up to a range of five and a

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<v Speaker 6>half to five and three quarters percent. But of course,

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<v Speaker 6>if inflation continues to rise and they don't feel like

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<v Speaker 6>they have tight enough to bring it down, they could

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<v Speaker 6>go higher than that. Some people were predicting earlier this

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<v Speaker 6>year that they'd get to six or six and a

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<v Speaker 6>quarter percent. Jim Bullard, who just left the FED after

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<v Speaker 6>that last meeting, had predicted in his June dot plot

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<v Speaker 6>that they'd go to six and a quarter percent. So

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<v Speaker 6>it's very possible that we haven't seen the end of it.

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<v Speaker 6>It will just depend on the progress against inflation.

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<v Speaker 1>We saw some inflation data this past week, some good,

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<v Speaker 1>some of it not so good. Let's talk about what

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<v Speaker 1>happened in August month over month and what was behind

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<v Speaker 1>that big increase.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, the big increase came in the CPI headline numbers,

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<v Speaker 6>so we saw it in the PPI as well, the

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<v Speaker 6>Producer Price Index. The oil prices pushed up, gasoline prices

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<v Speaker 6>that pushed up the headline numbers. Overall, the core went

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<v Speaker 6>down though, particularly for the CPI, and that is what

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<v Speaker 6>the Fed's focused on. Because they know they can't affect

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<v Speaker 6>the oil price.

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<v Speaker 1>They can't.

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<v Speaker 6>They can raise raise all I want, but they're not

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<v Speaker 6>going to bring down the price of gasoline by doing that.

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<v Speaker 6>So they're focused on the core, and the core gave

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<v Speaker 6>them some evidence that they're still making progress. Slow, but

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<v Speaker 6>there is still progress.

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<v Speaker 1>And that core year of a year was the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>decline in two years, so there is progress.

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<v Speaker 6>It's definitely progress, and now they need to keep that going.

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<v Speaker 6>The question is do they need to raise rates further

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<v Speaker 6>to keep the momentum going or are they at a

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<v Speaker 6>tight enough spot now that it already keeps the pressure on.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go to the labor market. Still strong, initial jobless

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<v Speaker 1>claims edging a little lower, surprising some economists. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of labor strife though.

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<v Speaker 6>There is labor strife now with the United Auto Workers

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<v Speaker 6>out on strike, but you won't really notice that too

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<v Speaker 6>much in the data for a while. The strike began

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<v Speaker 6>during the reference week for the September payrolls report, so

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<v Speaker 6>since the workers were at work for most of that week,

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<v Speaker 6>they won't fall off of the payrolls numbers for September

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<v Speaker 6>if they still on strike in October. Is a good chance,

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<v Speaker 6>then we would see a decline in the number of

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<v Speaker 6>people who are at work in manufacturing. The other aspect

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<v Speaker 6>of it is that if you are on strike, you're

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<v Speaker 6>not eligible for unemployment benefits. Twelve seven hundred workers are

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<v Speaker 6>actually on strike, but there's one hundred and forty six

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<v Speaker 6>thousand United Auto Workers. If other plants are shut down

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<v Speaker 6>because those few workers are out, then all those people

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<v Speaker 6>could file for unemployment benefits and we'll know it's a strike.

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<v Speaker 6>So the FED won't be too upset about it, but

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<v Speaker 6>it'll certainly make it hard to get a read on

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<v Speaker 6>the numbers from the jobless claims.

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<v Speaker 1>On the other hand, the Writers Guild strike it started

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<v Speaker 1>May TEWOD has really ballooned to other industries that are

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<v Speaker 1>sitting idle in Hollywood. You have the sag after strike

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<v Speaker 1>compounding that you see that show up in the unemployment data.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, the people who are collateral victims of the strike

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<v Speaker 6>don't get counted as jobs lost. But the strikers are

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<v Speaker 6>only just in the last month or so beginning to

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<v Speaker 6>get counted in terms of number of jobs lost in

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<v Speaker 6>the motion picture industry and things like that because they

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<v Speaker 6>had irregular paychecks. Most of them are freelancers, and so

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<v Speaker 6>they don't get paid in the same way that other

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<v Speaker 6>workers do, so it's harder for the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

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<v Speaker 1>To count them now. Despite inflation still a problem, retail

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<v Speaker 1>spending held up pretty well in August. You talked about

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<v Speaker 1>fuel prices being a big part of that increase, but

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<v Speaker 1>still Americans are spending.

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<v Speaker 6>Americans are spending. Gasoline went up five point two percent,

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<v Speaker 6>a big jump, and that of course means people had

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<v Speaker 6>less to spend on other things, but they spent anyway.

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<v Speaker 6>It really was a sort of traditional back to school

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<v Speaker 6>month of August, as clothing store sales went up by

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<v Speaker 6>nine tenths. We also saw a rise in personal care

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<v Speaker 6>as people went out and got their back to school

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<v Speaker 6>haircuts and things like that. And we saw electronics rise

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<v Speaker 6>people buying computers for their kids to go back to school,

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<v Speaker 6>and calculators and things like that. So it was kind

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<v Speaker 6>of the spending that you would expect for an August,

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<v Speaker 6>which is good news for the fat Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Housing long term mortgage rates still above seven percent at

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<v Speaker 1>a two decade high. Adjustable rates just hit a twelve

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<v Speaker 1>year high. Still a problem in housing.

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<v Speaker 6>It is a problem in housing, particularly for existing home

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<v Speaker 6>sales because so many people, something like forty percent of

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<v Speaker 6>mortgage holders now have mortgages under four percent, and they

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<v Speaker 6>don't want to get a new mortgage that's at seven

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<v Speaker 6>or eight percent, so they're not putting their homes on

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<v Speaker 6>the market, and it's sort of frozen the housing market,

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<v Speaker 6>which then leads to fewer sales of new carpets and

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<v Speaker 6>appliances and things like that. So that's a problem. The

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<v Speaker 6>new home sales market has been booming because it's the

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<v Speaker 6>only place you can get a house these days, and

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of the builders have come up with their

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<v Speaker 6>own financing and they're buying down your mortgage rate so

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<v Speaker 6>you don't have to pay eight percent, you might pay five.

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<v Speaker 6>We don't know if that's going to be enough to

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<v Speaker 6>keep it going, but for right now that's the only

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<v Speaker 6>bright spot in housing.

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<v Speaker 1>According to b Redfin, the average mortgage costs two six

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and thirty two bucks a month. That's the highest ever.

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<v Speaker 1>Not even prices on those houses, but mortgage rates and

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<v Speaker 1>insurance making that change. Car insurance, we know, went up

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen percent in August year over year.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, particularly with cars insurance. Cars have gotten much more

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<v Speaker 6>complex and more expensive to fix. We also saw a

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<v Speaker 6>big rise obviously in used car prices and more used

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<v Speaker 6>cars break down. People were buying used cars because there

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<v Speaker 6>weren't new cars to buy. So for the insurance companies,

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<v Speaker 6>their costs have gone up a lot and they've been

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<v Speaker 6>raising rates to make up for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, staying on autos, how do you think a protracted

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<v Speaker 1>job action might impact the economy.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, in the past, we have not seen huge macroeconomic effects.

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<v Speaker 6>You see them for a very short period of time.

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<v Speaker 6>Nineteen ninety eight was a very similar year to what

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<v Speaker 6>we're seeing right now. There was a strike against General Motors,

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<v Speaker 6>but it was called against only two plants and only

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<v Speaker 6>nine two hundred workers went out, but that shut down

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<v Speaker 6>GM around the country, so there were about two hundred

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<v Speaker 6>thousand people who were off work, and you can see

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<v Speaker 6>in the auto manufacturing statistics there's a big drop in

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<v Speaker 6>the third quarter of nineteen ninety eight, and in the

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<v Speaker 6>number of workers there was a big drop in the

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<v Speaker 6>third quarter of nineteen ninety eight. But plot GDP over

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<v Speaker 6>that and you don't see it because as soon as

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<v Speaker 6>the strike's over, the company gets back to producing cars

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<v Speaker 6>as fast as as it can, and Americans are still

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<v Speaker 6>going to be buying cars, and the people who were

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<v Speaker 6>striking get raises and go out and maybe spend a

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<v Speaker 6>little bit more, So you end up with it not

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<v Speaker 6>having a major macro effect. Where you do see it

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<v Speaker 6>is in equities, because it not only affects the automakers

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<v Speaker 6>but the parts makers and their stocks drop, and it

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<v Speaker 6>spreads beyond that raw materials makers steel and rubber. And

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<v Speaker 6>then in nineteen ninety eight, the New York Times saw

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<v Speaker 6>a decline in revenue because automobile advertising was pulled during

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<v Speaker 6>the strike. So if you're looking for an effect, that's

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<v Speaker 6>probably where you're going to see it more than in

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<v Speaker 6>the macroeconomy.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Michael, thank you. Bloomberg International Economics and Policy correspondent

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<v Speaker 1>Michael McKee. Coming up here on Bloomberg day Break weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>Leaders from around the world gather in New York for

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<v Speaker 1>the United Nations General Assembly meeting. Will tell you what

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<v Speaker 1>to expect next week. I'm Tom Busby and is Bloomberg.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Bloomberg Day Break Weekend, our global look ahead

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<v Speaker 1>at the top stories for investors in the coming week.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Tom Busby in New York. The United Nations General

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<v Speaker 1>Assembly holds its seventy eighth Annual Session the week of

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<v Speaker 1>September eighteenth, leaders from around the world descending upon New

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<v Speaker 1>York for what's expected to be the most interesting UNNGA

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<v Speaker 1>since before the pandemic, with a focus on Russia's invasion

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<v Speaker 1>of Ukraine, shadowed diplomacy with Iran, and the increasingly tense

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<v Speaker 1>geostrategic divide between the US and China. General Debate begins

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<v Speaker 1>on Tuesday. For more, Let's head to our Bloomberg ninety

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<v Speaker 1>nine one newsroom in Washington and Bloomberg Sound On. Co

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<v Speaker 1>host Kaylee.

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<v Speaker 2>Lines, Yeah, Tom, Well, everyone in New York is bracing

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<v Speaker 2>for heavier traffic associated with the annual UN General Assembly meeting,

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<v Speaker 2>fondly known as UNGA. Washington is watching to see what

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<v Speaker 2>real policy developments could come out of this gathering, and

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<v Speaker 2>Bloomberg TV's very own chief Washington correspondent, Anrie horder And

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<v Speaker 2>will be making the trip up there herself this coming week.

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<v Speaker 2>She joins me now with more of a preview. So Anri,

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<v Speaker 2>let's just talk about what the objective here really is.

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<v Speaker 2>For President Biden, for example, he's gonna make the trip,

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<v Speaker 2>what exactly does he want to achieve?

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<v Speaker 7>I think what you'll see this year, Kaylee, is similar

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<v Speaker 7>to what we saw from President Biden last year. Some

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<v Speaker 7>of these major themes he wants to address in front

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<v Speaker 7>of the international community. One of course, is going to

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<v Speaker 7>be Russia's invasion of Ukraine. He talked about this last year.

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<v Speaker 7>He said it's a war where Russia wants to extinguish

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<v Speaker 7>Ukraine's right to exist. You're going to see him want

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<v Speaker 7>to really continue to ramp up the support in favor

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<v Speaker 7>of Ukraine against Russia at the international community, especially when

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<v Speaker 7>Russia will be in the room, not by President Putin,

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<v Speaker 7>but far Missus Sergei Lavrov will be there. Of course,

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<v Speaker 7>China will be the other elephant in the room. Shijiping

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<v Speaker 7>is also not going to be in attendance. Both those

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<v Speaker 7>leader Putin and she didn't also go to the G twenty.

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<v Speaker 7>But this is a chance for Biden to show that

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<v Speaker 7>the US is in that presence, even those other leaders

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<v Speaker 7>are not going to be there. Once again, I think

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<v Speaker 7>you'll hear from the American President and from any American

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<v Speaker 7>official that's asked about China, they continuously say, it's not

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<v Speaker 7>that we want to have a conflict with China. We

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<v Speaker 7>want to be able to have competition and put guard

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<v Speaker 7>rails around that competition. It's becoming a little bit of

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<v Speaker 7>a joke. But everyone in DC says what they constantly say.

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<v Speaker 7>They're not decoupling, they're risking. If you're able to figure

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<v Speaker 7>out the difference between those two, let me know. And

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<v Speaker 7>then I think the final big point that the President

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<v Speaker 7>may talk about is going to be Iran, because I

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<v Speaker 7>have some reporting that the Iran hostage swap will happen

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<v Speaker 7>as soon as Monday, and that's just before these leaders

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<v Speaker 7>come together. And you have Ibraham Rayisi speaking to NBC

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<v Speaker 7>News before the UN General Assembly saying that this unforen

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<v Speaker 7>fund of six billion dollars that's going to be released

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<v Speaker 7>in exchange for the prisoners, it is Iranian money, but

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<v Speaker 7>it was frozen in South Korea. He's saying that they

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<v Speaker 7>can use it on whatever they need in Iran. The

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<v Speaker 7>administration continues to say that is not true. It's for

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<v Speaker 7>humanitarian purposes only. And imagine, given the fact that's happening

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<v Speaker 7>likely on Monday, the President's going to have to address this.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so Iran will be on the agenda for him,

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps an unavoidable subject. But to go back to the

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<v Speaker 2>idea of this also really being about China and Russia.

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<v Speaker 2>How complicated is that considering they are also permanent members

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<v Speaker 2>of the UN Security Council. Does that hinder what can

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<v Speaker 2>actually be achieved it to something like this, well, I think.

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<v Speaker 7>It hinders what the UN has been able to achieve

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<v Speaker 7>at all regarding Russia's invasion of Ukraine. They're members of

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<v Speaker 7>Security Council. The UN hasn't been able to act on

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<v Speaker 7>this war. So while the UN General Assembly offers a

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<v Speaker 7>place for dialogue, there hasn't been a lot of action

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<v Speaker 7>when it comes to that, which is why many people

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<v Speaker 7>say the UN. Many call it obsolete and useless. But

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<v Speaker 7>it will be a place for dialogue, but at the

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<v Speaker 7>moment nothing can really happen because you do have Shijipang

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<v Speaker 7>and Russia's hold on the Security Council.

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<v Speaker 2>So you say it's a place for dialogue, and obviously

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<v Speaker 2>that is you know, wider dialogue among the entire General Assembly.

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<v Speaker 2>But also we often see at meetings like this sideline

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<v Speaker 2>meetings between different leaders, and our understanding is President Biden

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<v Speaker 2>maybe having a few of those as well, including with

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<v Speaker 2>reportedly Prime Minister of Israel Benjamin Netanyahu, who has had

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty tense relationship with the President of the US.

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<v Speaker 2>At this point, I would argue, Anne Marie, what do

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<v Speaker 2>we expect out of that meeting? Why have that one.

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<v Speaker 7>So right now? You have not had net Yahoo yes

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<v Speaker 7>yet have this invite to the White House. He and

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<v Speaker 7>Joe Biden go years back. They know each other, They've

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<v Speaker 7>been in this circle for a while. But the issue is,

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<v Speaker 7>of course, the White House has taken aim on a

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<v Speaker 7>number of policies the net Yahoo government has wanted to

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<v Speaker 7>push forward, especially coming from the right wing of his government,

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<v Speaker 7>most notably the judicial overhaul plan. So this is gonna

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<v Speaker 7>be the first time they're seeing each other in person

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<v Speaker 7>since he took office again in December. All eyes are

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<v Speaker 7>going to be on this meeting, not only because these

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<v Speaker 7>two individuals will be meeting and there's been some some

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<v Speaker 7>of that tension you just mentioned, but also the fact

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<v Speaker 7>that this administration is working at the same time to

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<v Speaker 7>try to bring normalization between Saudi Arabia and Israel. They

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<v Speaker 7>were just at the G twenty they did this infrastructure deal,

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<v Speaker 7>which Saudi Arabia is a part of, Israel is also

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<v Speaker 7>tangently a part of, and everyone is trying to see

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<v Speaker 7>if this can actually happen, So this will be an

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<v Speaker 7>interesting pull aside meeting. But it's also interesting that it's

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<v Speaker 7>not a White House meeting. It's happening at Anga. Also,

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<v Speaker 7>apparently net and Yahoo will also be meeting Elon Musk

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<v Speaker 7>next week. He's doing a little bit of a US

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<v Speaker 7>tour that might be just as interesting as the POTUS meeting.

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<v Speaker 2>To go back to what you were talking about earlier,

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<v Speaker 2>with the idea of some kind of normalization happening, you

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<v Speaker 2>of course spoke this past week with Amos Hawkstein of

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<v Speaker 2>the White House and you touched on this a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>How close realistically are we.

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<v Speaker 7>I think there's some cold water on that, meaning the

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<v Speaker 7>US has been very honest that they would want to

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<v Speaker 7>see that extension really of the Abraham Accords that were

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<v Speaker 7>done to the Trump administration, where you saw a number

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<v Speaker 7>of Gulf countries, notably the UAE, have these normalized ties

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<v Speaker 7>with Israel. Travel started, embassies opened, lots of commercial ties

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<v Speaker 7>came to fruition after that. But they're just not there yet.

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<v Speaker 7>There's a number of steps that have to happen, but

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<v Speaker 7>it's still on the table, and it's something that could happen.

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<v Speaker 7>I just think you know, potentially we're a little over

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<v Speaker 7>our skis if we think that might happen at this

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<v Speaker 7>U and General Assembly or before the year is up.

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<v Speaker 7>I think that a lot of work needs to still

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<v Speaker 7>be deciphered through, and then they really need to make

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<v Speaker 7>sure they're selling it to their constituents.

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<v Speaker 2>So when we're talking about selling thing, and this goes

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<v Speaker 2>back to the Ukraine issue, which you said is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be high on the agenda for Biden, I just

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<v Speaker 2>wonder how much harder that job is in a body

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<v Speaker 2>like this one full of those who come from different

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<v Speaker 2>countries and are looking in on the US and the

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<v Speaker 2>conversation happening here in Washington on Capitol Hill around continued

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<v Speaker 2>funding for Ukraine, and what that does to the President's

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<v Speaker 2>position is he's trying to make the case that other

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<v Speaker 2>countries should be still engaging, still funding, still trying to

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<v Speaker 2>support the war, when it's clear that not everyone here

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<v Speaker 2>in Washington is with him on that.

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<v Speaker 7>It's going to be challenging for the President because he's

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<v Speaker 7>going to want to come to the podium and he's

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<v Speaker 7>going to want to be so forthright about America's stance

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<v Speaker 7>in supporting Ukraine. At the same time, he will be

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<v Speaker 7>in New York City at the UN giving this speech.

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<v Speaker 7>There's going to be debates behind Congress closed doors whether

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<v Speaker 7>or not they're going to sign off on his request

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<v Speaker 7>and that supplemental funding request for aid for Ukraine. It

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<v Speaker 7>does look like the Senate wants to go forward with that,

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<v Speaker 7>but in the House it's really anyone's guest on how

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<v Speaker 7>it gets done. Does McCarthy have to remove it from

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<v Speaker 7>the supplemental put it with maybe border concerns to make

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<v Speaker 7>sure the hard right flank of his party joins in

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<v Speaker 7>and votes for it because they see something enticing and

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<v Speaker 7>border money and potentially some controversial what the Democrats would

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<v Speaker 7>call controversial asylum provisions. So Ukraine is this issue where

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<v Speaker 7>not just in Congress, but on the debate stage Republican candidates,

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<v Speaker 7>you see people taking different points of views. And President

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<v Speaker 7>Lenski is going to be really honest when he's also

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<v Speaker 7>in New York next week and he wants to make

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<v Speaker 7>this case for a peace formula plan. And then Reuter's

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<v Speaker 7>also reported that he's going to come to Washington to

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<v Speaker 7>have another meeting with the President, and the timing, of course,

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<v Speaker 7>is interesting. Zelenski obviously sees and is privy to the

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<v Speaker 7>debate that's ongoing in America and on how long and

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<v Speaker 7>how much Americans are willing to fund and support Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 2>Looking forward to all of your coverage of UNGA, Bloomberg's

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<v Speaker 1>Bank of England to continue raising interest rates to five

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<v Speaker 1>point five percent next week, despite signs of the impact

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<v Speaker 3>As the UK's economic outlook gets cloudier, the debate about

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<v Speaker 3>whether the Bank of England will continue raising interest rates

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<v Speaker 3>and for how long is intensifying. UK inflation remains the

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<v Speaker 3>worst in the group of seven nations, but July saw

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<v Speaker 3>a bigger than expected drop in UK economic growth. Remember,

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<v Speaker 3>although the UK was the first amongst major central banks

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<v Speaker 3>to start raising interest rates, inflation in Britain is stuck

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<v Speaker 3>at six point eight percent according to the August figure.

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<v Speaker 3>That is almost double the level that you're seeing over

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<v Speaker 3>in the US, and it's still well above the eure

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<v Speaker 3>Area rate of five point three percent. Now for more,

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<v Speaker 3>on all of this. Tom McKenzie and I have been

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<v Speaker 3>speaking to Blueberg Senior at UK Economists Dan Hansen about

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<v Speaker 3>the Bank of England's upcoming decision. I started by asking

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<v Speaker 3>Dan how badly the UK is losing steam after monthly

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<v Speaker 3>GDP fell by half of one percent in July.

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<v Speaker 8>We're certainly worried that the economy is losing steam a

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<v Speaker 8>little bit faster than we'd anticipated it would. Obviously, you

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<v Speaker 8>would expect this to happen to some extent given the

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<v Speaker 8>scale of the interest rate rises that we've had, but

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<v Speaker 8>I think it might be happening a little bit faster.

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<v Speaker 9>And yeah, so we're looking.

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<v Speaker 8>We're not looking for We're still looking for the economy

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<v Speaker 8>to expand very modestly in the third quarter, but I

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<v Speaker 8>think moving into the fourth quarter we're still expecting a contraction.

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<v Speaker 8>I think the other thing to remember is that the

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<v Speaker 8>forward looking data isn't looking that great either. So we've

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<v Speaker 8>had that August PM I remember that dropped into recessionary territories.

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<v Speaker 9>So we are we think we're.

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<v Speaker 8>Sort of on the edge, if you like, we're sort

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<v Speaker 8>of we're we're sort of balancing between sort of stagnation,

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<v Speaker 8>which is what we've had over the past year and

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<v Speaker 8>potentially moving into contraction. And as you said at the

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<v Speaker 8>start there, that's making it very difficult for the Bank

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<v Speaker 8>of England as it navigates what to do next.

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<v Speaker 10>So potentially getting and looking at a contraction of recession

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<v Speaker 10>here in the UK. The debate, of course in the

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<v Speaker 10>US is all about a soft landing. That's never really

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<v Speaker 10>been part of the narrative here in the UK. What

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<v Speaker 10>kind of what would that recession look like, dad? How prolonged,

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<v Speaker 10>how deep, how painful?

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<v Speaker 8>Yes, I mean, I think when we look at all

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<v Speaker 8>of this through just through the eye of an economic model,

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<v Speaker 8>the amount of tightening that's come from the Bank of England,

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<v Speaker 8>so we've had over five hundred basis points of tightening.

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<v Speaker 8>If you put that through an economic model, you get

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<v Speaker 8>a very very big hit to GDP, something in the

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<v Speaker 8>region of five percent of GDP hits.

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<v Speaker 9>It's enormous.

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<v Speaker 8>Now, we obviously just haven't had anything like that. We've

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<v Speaker 8>had the economy has been stagnating, so it's been doing

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<v Speaker 8>a lot better than models would tell you.

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<v Speaker 9>The less there are these.

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<v Speaker 8>Lags in the system, and we know that there is

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<v Speaker 8>more to come, and the Bank of England's obviously been

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<v Speaker 8>quite open about this, and it partly reflects the way

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<v Speaker 8>the mortgage market works in the UK, and I think

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<v Speaker 8>we think there's going to be, as I say, a recession,

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<v Speaker 8>a peach trough falling GDP of about one percent. Now,

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<v Speaker 8>as I say, I've sort of spoken about sort of

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<v Speaker 8>model side of it there. In terms of historical context,

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<v Speaker 8>that's also extremely small. So if you think about the

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<v Speaker 8>financial crisis, it was over six percent the falling GDP,

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<v Speaker 8>in the nineties it was about three percent, and in

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<v Speaker 8>the eighties it was about four and a half percent,

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<v Speaker 8>so it's.

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<v Speaker 9>Still very very modest.

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<v Speaker 8>Nonetheless, we still think, and you know, the data of

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<v Speaker 8>the recent data's given us a little bit more confidence

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<v Speaker 8>in this view that the economy is heading for a

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<v Speaker 8>period of falls in output.

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<v Speaker 3>How significant was the revision to the official data, the

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<v Speaker 3>OERNS data post pandemic. I was speaking to the Exchequer sector,

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<v Speaker 3>to the Treasury, Gareth Davies's significant voice obviously for the government,

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<v Speaker 3>and he was sounding pretty pleased about it. Does that

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<v Speaker 3>lead though, to any sort of rethink on future or

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<v Speaker 3>longer term UK economic growth?

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<v Speaker 9>So the way we read it, and I'm not surprised.

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<v Speaker 9>The government has sort of been very happy about.

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<v Speaker 8>It, because, of course, the first thing to say about

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<v Speaker 8>the revisions, I should say is that this is all

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<v Speaker 8>the way up to the end of twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 8>so we've had nothing about twenty twenty two and twenty

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<v Speaker 8>twenty three, so we've had nothing really about the impact

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<v Speaker 8>of high inflation and high interest rates and whether the

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<v Speaker 8>economy may have been more resilient in the face of that.

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<v Speaker 9>So we just don't know.

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<v Speaker 8>The story still looks pretty poor on the data that

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<v Speaker 8>we've got.

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<v Speaker 9>What I took away from it looking at it was that.

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<v Speaker 8>Actually the economy was less scarred from the pandemic, So

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<v Speaker 8>the hit to the economy from the pandemic, the sort

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<v Speaker 8>of permanent hit to output, was less severe, and that's obviously.

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<v Speaker 9>A really really good news story.

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<v Speaker 8>And actually going back to the government, it was a

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<v Speaker 8>reflection of the policy that were put in place, in

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<v Speaker 8>particular the furlough scheme, So I think it tells us

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<v Speaker 8>something about the past. We'll be watching it's at the

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<v Speaker 8>end of September we'll get more information about the more

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<v Speaker 8>recent data points, so we'll definitely be watching that to

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<v Speaker 8>see if the economy actually has been carrying more momentum

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<v Speaker 8>and we have been too downbeat about the UK.

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<v Speaker 10>What is your sense, Dan, of the inflation trajectory for

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<v Speaker 10>the UK. Are we seeing a meaningful move lower in

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<v Speaker 10>terms of prices. Are we on a sustained trajectory to

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<v Speaker 10>lower prices that have been flagged by the Bank of England.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I mean I think you know, Tom, I think

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<v Speaker 8>it's been all about energy here, and we know that

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<v Speaker 8>it takes a little bit longer for the energy effect

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<v Speaker 8>to come through because of the way household energy bills

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<v Speaker 8>work and they enter the CPI basket. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 8>still think we're going to get to about five percent

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<v Speaker 8>by the end of the year.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think that we should be concerned around the

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<v Speaker 3>housing market? I mean, that's another sort of element of

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<v Speaker 3>this economic picture. It does look as if the housing data,

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<v Speaker 3>as a result of our interest rates is worse than

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<v Speaker 3>quite quite rapidly rapidly.

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<v Speaker 8>Now, Yeah, I mean I think we should. I mean,

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<v Speaker 8>I think that's and it's the bit you know, it's

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<v Speaker 8>one of the most interest rates sensitive bits of the

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<v Speaker 8>economy and it's exactly where you would expect these rate

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<v Speaker 8>hikes to show up first.

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<v Speaker 9>And we've been seeing that we've had, you.

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<v Speaker 8>Know, we think there'll be a fall accumulative fall of

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<v Speaker 8>about ten percent in house prices. We've had about a

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<v Speaker 8>little bit underhalf of that if you look at the

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<v Speaker 8>nationwide figures, so we think there's further to go.

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<v Speaker 9>But yeah, it's it absolutely is a concern.

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<v Speaker 8>And of course here in the UK at least, there

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<v Speaker 8>is a there is a real link between housing confidence

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<v Speaker 8>and spending and that's where it will start to bite,

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<v Speaker 8>is that if consumers start to feel worried about the

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<v Speaker 8>fact that the value of their house is falling, even

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<v Speaker 8>though it doesn't really affect their wealth, they just feel

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<v Speaker 8>less well off. Then yes, you know, there's potentially be

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<v Speaker 8>a bigger hit through sentiment to spending. So yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 8>something we're definitely watching. And you're right, I mean, we

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<v Speaker 8>had the Rick survey. It looks like things are beginning

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<v Speaker 8>to sort of snowball a little bit in the housing market.

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<v Speaker 8>So it's something to definitely keep.

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<v Speaker 9>An eye on and done.

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<v Speaker 10>I wonder how closely the Bank of England are going

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<v Speaker 10>to be focused on the housing sector as well. We

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<v Speaker 10>know that traders have started to kind of pair their

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<v Speaker 10>bets around the terminal rate from the Bank of England,

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<v Speaker 10>but arguably we've had a few mixed messages from officials there,

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<v Speaker 10>whether it's Andrew Bailey talking about table mounted along with you, Peel,

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<v Speaker 10>or Catherine Mann who's on the hawkish spectrum of the NPC.

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<v Speaker 10>Do you have clarity, do you have a clearer steer

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<v Speaker 10>on how the Bank of England is thinking about everything

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<v Speaker 10>that you've talked about and weaving that all together to

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<v Speaker 10>have a clearer projection.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, so I think, I mean you're I think you're

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<v Speaker 8>right that the particularly Baileyan pill that feels like a

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<v Speaker 8>bit of a shift.

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<v Speaker 9>And I think the thing to remember with them is as.

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<v Speaker 8>Well is that they're in they're part of the internal

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<v Speaker 8>group with Ben Broadbent that tends that.

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<v Speaker 9>Will have voted together during this hiking cycle.

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<v Speaker 8>And I think the fact that they're shifting away from

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<v Speaker 8>potentially the pace of rate hikes and the fact that

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<v Speaker 8>we need rate hikes to focusing more on the level

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<v Speaker 8>of rates and the level of the extent to which

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<v Speaker 8>rates are restrictive is something that certainly traders and certainly

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<v Speaker 8>we have taken notice of. I mean, going into the

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<v Speaker 8>September meeting, I think the story around wage growth is

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<v Speaker 8>going to dominate, and I think there's definitely something there's

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<v Speaker 8>definitely good reason to think they will lift rates in September,

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<v Speaker 8>and I think the market sort of is pretty much

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<v Speaker 8>there with that. I think it's pricing about an eighty

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<v Speaker 8>percent chance of a hike.

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<v Speaker 3>That was Bloomberg's Chief UK economist Dan Hanson speaking to

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<v Speaker 3>Tom McKenzie and I ahead of the Bank of England's

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<v Speaker 3>interest rate decision, and we'll be covering that rate decision

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<v Speaker 3>at twelve noon London time on Thursday the twenty first,

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<v Speaker 3>and the day before will break the latest UK inflation data.

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<v Speaker 3>That's live on Bloomberg Radio on Wednesday the twentieth, expected

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<v Speaker 3>at seven am London time. I'm Caroline Hepke here in

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<v Speaker 3>London and you can catch us every weekday morning for

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<v Speaker 3>Bloomberg Daybreak Europe, beginning at six am in London. That's

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<v Speaker 3>one am on Wall Street.

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<v Speaker 1>Tom, Thank you, Caroline, and coming up on Bloomberg day

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<v Speaker 1>Break weekend, we stay on Interest Rate Watch as we

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<v Speaker 1>go to Asia to preview the Bank of Japan's policy decision.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Tom Busby and this is Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg

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<v Speaker 1>day Break Weekend, our global look ahead at the top

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<v Speaker 1>stories for investors in the coming week. I'm Tom Busby

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<v Speaker 1>in New York. Bank of Japan watchers moving forward their

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<v Speaker 1>forecast for an end to negative interest rates. That's after

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<v Speaker 1>Governor Kazuo Uwaita touched on that possibility in a recent interview.

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<v Speaker 1>So what's next for the BOJ ahead of their next

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<v Speaker 1>policy meeting. For more, Let's head to Bloomberg day Break

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<v Speaker 1>Asia host Doug Krisner. Tom.

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<v Speaker 4>The Bank of has a rate decision in the week ahead,

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<v Speaker 4>and markets have been speculating on the BOJ possibly taking

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<v Speaker 4>steps to adjust policy. The question is whether that bet

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<v Speaker 4>is a bit premature. Let's bring in Paul Jackson, Bloomberg

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<v Speaker 4>Economy editor, who joins us from our studios in Tokyo.

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<v Speaker 4>BOJ policy we know has been ultra easy for decades now,

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<v Speaker 4>largely because of the story on deflation. But for the

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<v Speaker 4>last seventeen months it's a different story. Inflation in Japan

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<v Speaker 4>has been above the boj's target. So is there a

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<v Speaker 4>bit of urgency now to begin normalizing.

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<v Speaker 11>Well, I think we're certainly stepping closer to that day.

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<v Speaker 11>We have a meeting coming up, but there's going to

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<v Speaker 11>be no major change at this coming meeting, but after

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<v Speaker 11>recent remarks from Governor Uda to local media, definitely the

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<v Speaker 11>scrapping of negative interest rates is now on the radar,

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<v Speaker 11>with economists expecting that to happen in the first half

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<v Speaker 11>next year.

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<v Speaker 4>So that would be the policy rate. Now we talk

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<v Speaker 4>about yield curve control quite a bit, So if why

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<v Speaker 4>CC were to be adjusted, what might the preparation for

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<v Speaker 4>normalcy look like on that front.

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<v Speaker 11>Well, it's a complicated framework, isn't it. We've got two

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<v Speaker 11>targets here, one for the short term rate, which is

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<v Speaker 11>currently minus zero point one percent, and then we've got

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<v Speaker 11>this target for a ten year yields, which is normally zero,

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<v Speaker 11>but yields are going to be allowed to rise up

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<v Speaker 11>to one percent. So I think before we can have

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<v Speaker 11>a scrapping of the negative interest rate, that target on

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<v Speaker 11>the ten year yield needs to be abandoned or raised.

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<v Speaker 11>Now the question is would he do it all in

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<v Speaker 11>one go. I think that is a possibility, though some

0:31:47.360 --> 0:31:51.080
<v Speaker 11>economists argue that they'd have to address this ten year

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<v Speaker 11>yield target first and then move to the negative rate

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<v Speaker 11>next year.

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<v Speaker 4>So the BOJ tweaked yield curve control back in July,

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<v Speaker 4>and it was there that Governor Uwaita said the move

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<v Speaker 4>was aimed in part by limiting a lot of the

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<v Speaker 4>volatility that we had seen in the Japanese en. How

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<v Speaker 4>does the currency enter the thinking here when it comes

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<v Speaker 4>to tweaking policy.

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<v Speaker 11>Well, I think, you know, if you look at the

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<v Speaker 11>weakness in the end recently, it's getting to a point

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<v Speaker 11>where you know, businesses are, you know, having difficulty planning

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<v Speaker 11>for the future. Consumers are being hit by higher import prices,

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<v Speaker 11>which is driving inflation. So we're kind of at the

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<v Speaker 11>limit of what is acceptable on the yen level as

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<v Speaker 11>we know. September last year, after the FED met and

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<v Speaker 11>the BOJ met, Japan intervened to prop up the currency

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<v Speaker 11>for the first time since nineteen ninety eight, I think

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<v Speaker 11>that's less likely this time because we haven't had quite

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<v Speaker 11>the sudden moves. People are more used to these yen

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<v Speaker 11>levels this time around, and also I think a Bank

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<v Speaker 11>of Japan Governor Huaida is a little bit more willing

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<v Speaker 11>to talk about FX and give the impression that the

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<v Speaker 11>boj may give the government a helping hand on helping

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<v Speaker 11>support the currency.

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<v Speaker 4>So when intervention is conducted, it's done under the auspices

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<v Speaker 4>of the Ministry of finance that's different than the Bank

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<v Speaker 4>of Japan. I understand that, but I'm wondering whether or

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<v Speaker 4>not Governor Auwada has a level let's say in the

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<v Speaker 4>end visa viv the dollar, that is, he's keeping a

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<v Speaker 4>close eye on ha ha.

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<v Speaker 11>Well, all these motheretary authorities are very reluctant to talk

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<v Speaker 11>about levels. They say it sudden moves. But I would

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<v Speaker 11>say that the last intervention on October last year came

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<v Speaker 11>around the one to five to two mark, so I

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<v Speaker 11>think it'd be very difficult for Japan to move before

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<v Speaker 11>we've got there.

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<v Speaker 4>Paul, thank you so much for helping us set up

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<v Speaker 4>the BOJ meeting. In the week Ahead, Paul Jackson, Bloomberg

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<v Speaker 4>Economy Editor, joining from Tokyo. I'm Doug Prisner. You can

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<v Speaker 4>join Brian Curtis and myself weekdays here for Bloomberg day

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<v Speaker 4>Break Gasia, beginning at six am in Hong Kong six

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<v Speaker 4>pm on Wall Street.

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<v Speaker 1>Tom, thank you, Doug, and that does it for them

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