1 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 1: And just like that, we're back Thursday morning, March fourth, 2 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: The Uar of Our Lord twenty twenty one. I'm Josh Pate. 3 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: This is the Late Kick Extra podcast. Another Apple has 4 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: been consumed for reasons that were stated on the Tuesday 5 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: morning pod. We are jam Jam jam packed. I count well, 6 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: I count about seven dozen questions. I'm gonna get to 7 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: as many as possible this morning, but we got some 8 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: really good wins. I could take today's questions and I 9 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: could just stack them up tonight and I could recycle 10 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: them into tonight's episode of Late Kick Live. And to 11 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 1: be honest, I may lead with one of the questions 12 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: that I'm kind of going to answer briefly this morning. 13 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 1: So thank you so much for submitting. If you want 14 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: to submit your questions, Josh Pate seven zero six at 15 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: gmail dot com. That's the email address on Twitter at 16 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: Latekickjosh dms are always open. I'm interacting with you guys constantly, 17 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: but nothing quite like what we've got coming up next week. 18 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: So remember the Late Kick lottery is open right now. 19 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: Send those submissions to the email address Josh paid seven 20 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: zero six at gmail dot com. We have decided we're 21 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: taken somewhere between ten and twenty of you, and we 22 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: are sending you the Zoom invite and you'll join me 23 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: Monday night. We have nailed down the time we're gonna 24 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: do six Central time, so that gives everyone plenty of 25 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: time to get home, hopefully Eastern Central time zone. If 26 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: you're in Mountain time zone or on the West Coast, 27 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: just skip work that day or get off early. That's 28 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 1: my suggestion, because we're gonna divvy this up and we're 29 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,199 Speaker 1: gonna kind of randomly select, but it also doesn't hurt 30 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: for you to try and pitch yourself or sell yourself, 31 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 1: reverse recruit yourself. So we are going to choose those, 32 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 1: and we're gonna let you know by this weekend who 33 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 1: is in. And this is not the last one of these. 34 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: We do every time we get over one thousand new 35 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: followers on Twitter. I think we just passed thirteen thousand, 36 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: So the next time we'll do this is fourteen, thy fifteen, whatever. 37 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: You really ultimately determine how often we do this, but 38 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: that product, so if you're just listening or if you're 39 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: just watching on the YouTube channel, that product will be available. 40 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: I think we're going to aim for Wednesday on the 41 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: YouTube channel. It will also be the Thursday Morning at 42 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: edition of this that you're listening to right now, So 43 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: next week's Late Kick Extra it'll still be Q and A. 44 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 1: You'll just hear your own voices interacting with me. And 45 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: I also want to lay out the format and you'll 46 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: get a sense of how it's rolling for those of 47 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: you who are going to participate once we get into it. 48 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: This is not meant to be just a wall to 49 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: wall Q and A format. That's certainly how you can 50 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: handle it. But I mean, if you want to go 51 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: back and forth, if you feel like a topic needs 52 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: to be debated, if you think I've been wrong on 53 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: an issue for so long and you need to set 54 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: me straight, that'll be the time to do it. So 55 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: get those submissions in, be on the lookout. With that 56 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: in mind, let's dive in this morning because we have 57 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: got some really good questions to get to. First one 58 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: up is Kyle. He said, do you feel Clemson starting 59 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: to fade a bit? Kyle, I do not feel that. 60 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: I think the expectation level now Clemson is so high 61 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: that if they don't win a championship every year, they've 62 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: kind of briefly gotten into that realm that Alabama's been 63 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: in for a long time where if they don't win it, 64 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: then the articles the next morning whenever they've been eliminated, 65 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:55,119 Speaker 1: tend to lean towards what's wrong, Well, what's changed? Well, 66 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: has Clemson lost their edge? No, they haven't, just really 67 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 1: really hard to win in this sport, extremely hard. Now 68 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: here's what I do think is happening at Clemson, and 69 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about this a lot more, probably 70 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: after spring. Think Clemson is entering the second chapter, or 71 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: the second phase of a dynasty mode in real life. 72 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 1: In real life, a dynasty mode consists of multiple phases. 73 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: The first phase is the getting their phase. The next 74 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 1: phase is the staying their phase. Well, Clemson got there. 75 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: I've spoken about this before, sort of with a different theme, 76 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: but I've spoken about the fact that I wondered about 77 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: debos Swinney's formula for getting there and if it translated 78 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: to staying there. The reason I never have doubted Alabama's 79 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: because I know what Nick Saban's formula is. I've listened 80 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: to the guy talk forever now, and I listened to 81 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: him constantly preach process, process, process, result oriented thinking, attention 82 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: to detail, and Basically, all that stuff's intrinsic. It doesn't 83 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: rely on anything external. Nick Saban is never getting his 84 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: guys up. Nick Saban is never fueling or motivating his 85 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: program collectively with doubt or disrespect. It's never posters all 86 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: over the walls about what someone said to you. If 87 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: they use those elements, they're ancillary to the main focus. 88 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: The main focus is process, do your job, and that 89 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: kind of stuff never changes. But the good news about 90 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: that is the formula never changes. The same stuff you 91 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: used to get to the top helps you stay on 92 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: top well. At Clemson. I've always wondered this, and now 93 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 1: we're starting to get our first glimpses of whether it'll 94 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: work or not. I've wondered with as effective as the 95 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: approach Davio used was to get his program to the mountaintop, 96 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 1: they've won two national championships, I wondered if it was 97 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: going to work in terms of sustainability. And what I'm 98 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 1: basically talking about is if you are telling me that 99 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: folks doubt me, and you're showing me bulletin board material 100 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: and you're constantly informing me that I'm an underdog to 101 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: Alabama or I'm thought to be an underdog to another program. Well, 102 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: that's great, and it's easy to get me up. It's 103 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 1: easy to get your program up. It's easy to get 104 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: everyone invested when they think they have something to prove 105 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: and it's them against the world. This was Clemson Football's DNA. 106 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: This was their identity in the early portions of phase 107 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: one of the dynasty. That was the DNA. I mean, 108 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: that was the model, that was the mole for the program. 109 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: And that's all well and good. The reason I had 110 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: questions is that doesn't work. And when you get to 111 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: the mountaintop. It only works getting to the mountaintop. But 112 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: then when you get there and no one doubts you anymore, 113 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: and you go back to that reservoir where all that 114 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: endless supply of fuel has been, it's empty and you 115 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: try and get guys up and it's empty. What do 116 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: you do now? And so this is phase two for Clemson. 117 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're incapable of figuring it out. In fact, 118 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 1: the opposite. I think they're going to be here for 119 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 1: a long time. But Kyle asked, do you think they're fading? No, 120 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 1: they're not fading. What they're doing is they're sort of 121 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 1: reinventing a little bit by necessity now. And I think 122 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: it's a lesson maybe that I'm not gonna say had 123 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: to be learned the hard way, because winning two titles 124 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: is no hard way to learn a lesson. But I 125 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: will also say, in his heart of hearts, I think 126 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: Dablos when he realizes we got to reinvent the culture 127 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: here a little bit. Not the principles, not the overarching principles, 128 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: not the kind of kid we recruit, not the way 129 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: we coach them, nothing like that. But the way that 130 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: we motivate, the way that we mentally want hire ourselves, 131 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: the way that we define our day to day That 132 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: probably needs to change a little bit because we cannot 133 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: rely on doubt anymore. And for the record, those of 134 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 1: you who have done zoom consultations with me know this 135 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: to be true. I say the exact same thing to you. 136 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 1: If you're starting a podcast, if you're going to work 137 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: for Fox Sports or CBS Sports tomorrow, you're gonna start 138 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: off at the bottom of a totem pole. You're gonna 139 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: have a lot of people in your field that are 140 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: more well versed, that have bigger followings. And that's great, 141 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: and it kind of is human nature to measure yourself 142 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: to other people and to look at whatever the standard 143 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: bearers in the industry are. Could be the same in sales. 144 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: There's a top salesman in your market, you're gunning for him, 145 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: you're gunning for her. Well, that works to get you there. 146 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: Then when you get there, guess what happens. Everyone's looking 147 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 1: at you, and when you look up, all you see 148 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: is the ceiling and your head's pressed against it. You 149 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 1: put that ceiling on yourself, and you did it the 150 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: moment you allowed external factors to motivate you. You did it 151 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: the moment you allowed someone else's accomplishments to be your 152 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: scale for what your success is. Once I achieve more 153 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: than them, then I'll be successful. No, once you achieve 154 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: maximum to your relative potential, you'll be successful. What if 155 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: you were capable of thirty percent more than whatever the 156 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: next best person in your industry was, but you stopped 157 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: thirty percent short or twenty nine percent short just cause 158 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: you achieved more than them. Makes no sense. Same way 159 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: in college football, same way in life. All these principles 160 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: apply very broadly, which is one of the many beautiful 161 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: things about sports. Next up, we're going all the way 162 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: to the West coast. This is another Kyle, totally different Kyle. 163 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: He said, what happened to Clay Helton hot seat talk? 164 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: It seems like it went away, but yet USC is 165 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: by no means back. This is a really good question, Kyle. 166 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: It's also going to be something we discuss a lot 167 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: kind of in the post spring lead up to Fall 168 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: camp period. Clay Helton and USC, what were you thinking 169 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: about them, Let's say going into twenty twenty, when we 170 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: thought we were gonna have a normal season. So this 171 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: time last year, what were you thinking about USC? Well, 172 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: everyone thought Clay Helton was a dead man walking. They 173 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: kind of thought that the year before too. What happened, Well, 174 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: what happened was the pandemic. And then also what happened 175 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: is everything got thrown for a loop, and then we 176 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: got that narrative thrown in the fold of no one's 177 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: gonna get fired this year. Now, that ended up not 178 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: being totally true. Ask the East Coast USC about that. 179 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: But at USC, what happened was they didn't play a 180 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: whole season, and then when they did play a season, 181 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: they started narrowly winning some games that you could argue 182 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: they should have lost. I don't really use that terminology 183 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: because if you should have, you would have. But nevertheless, 184 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: they in very unimpressive fashion, won some games early on, 185 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden they found themselves in 186 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: the PAC twelve championship game. And you get to the 187 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: end of the season and you can't fire someone. You 188 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:30,119 Speaker 1: can't fire a guy, I mean unless you have cause 189 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: you're not going to fire him for results when he 190 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: played for a PAC twelve title. So now where are we, Kyle? Well, 191 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: we're another year further down the road of inevitability. Like 192 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: there are a lot of people who will still tell you, oh, 193 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:42,719 Speaker 1: Clay Hilton's a dead man walking. Well, let me tell 194 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,079 Speaker 1: you something. Dead men walking don't normally make it three 195 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: seasons in a row being dead men walking. So I 196 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: don't know that that's where we are right now. Here's 197 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: the way I look at USC. I look at USC 198 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 1: the same way as like if I were. I've been 199 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: using sailing references lately, which makes no sense because I've 200 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: never been one in my life. But if I'm out 201 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: and like my boat springs a leak and I'm a 202 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 1: mile from shore, and I think to myself, Man, if 203 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 1: we were only a quarter mile away, we could make it. 204 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 1: Or if only I had a little bit more to 205 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: patch this hole, we could make it the shore. But 206 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: we don't, so oh well, we'll just resign ourselves to 207 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: sinking out here, and then we're gonna have to float 208 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: around in life jackets until someone comes and gets us. 209 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: Well that's kind of the way USC felt. But here's 210 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: the difference. Then all of a sudden, clay Helton gets 211 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: a reprieve, and all of a sudden someone pushed the 212 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: shore closer, or maybe they stopped the flow of water 213 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: into the boat, and all of a sudden, clay Helton 214 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: looks around and says, well, wait a second, Hey, maybe 215 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: we could do this, Maybe we could survive out here. 216 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: All right, let's keep bailing water. Let's keep bailing water. Well, 217 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: what they've done is they've gotten themselves another year, which 218 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: buys you another opportunity to make some staff changes. It 219 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: buys you another opportunity to make maybe off field personnel moves. 220 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: It gives you another opportunity to recruit. And they just 221 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: did it. They just signed a very very good class. 222 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: They finally landed the number one player in the state 223 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: and Corey Forman. So you look at USC. If you're 224 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: a person, if you're a trojan who has wanted at 225 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: the Clay Hilton era to end, this is not good 226 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: for you. Now. I know some may listen, especially a 227 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: casual college fan, may listen and say, wait a second, 228 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: what do you mean it's not good for you. I mean, 229 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 1: if you're a USC fan, you want what's best for 230 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: the program, and if Clay Helton's winning or if they're improving, 231 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 1: then that's good for the program. Right Well, you got 232 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: to understand the mentality here. A USC fan thinks there's 233 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: no reason they're not Alabama or Clemson or Ohio State 234 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: right now, and they're right by the way, and so 235 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: they're not there. And what they think is they think 236 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: Clay Helton's maximum potential is well below that of Nick 237 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: Saban or Dabos twenty or Ryan Day. And so they 238 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: look at it and they say, no, even if this 239 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: man succeeds, if he succeeds as good as he possibly can, 240 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:40,079 Speaker 1: we are going to come up short. We're going to 241 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: be about a six and a half or a seven 242 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: on the one to ten scale, where we need to 243 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 1: be a nine and a half or a ten. And 244 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: so they think we might as well. Just rip the 245 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: band aid off now. But every year we get further 246 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 1: down the road, and every time this guy gets a 247 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,839 Speaker 1: chance to recruit another class and add another coach, then 248 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 1: we may find ourselves well on the way to another 249 00:10:57,720 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: eight or nine win season. And while those would be 250 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: good for some of the lower tier programs in our conference, 251 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: it's not good enough for USC. So that's where their 252 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: mentality is. But I think right now, Kyle, what's happening 253 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: is another year has been bought, and we'll see what 254 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: they do with it. I've got a friend from back home. 255 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,319 Speaker 1: We're transitioning here. I got a friend from back home 256 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 1: who shall remain nameless. He just said, tell these folks 257 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: about the Thanksgiving Classic, And it occurred to me, I've 258 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: never told you about the Thanksgiving Classic. So I had 259 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: a question a couple of podcasts ago about favorite like 260 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: pick up sports to play, and a lot of you 261 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: said softball, a lot of you said seven on seven football. 262 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: So let me tell you a little story. I know 263 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: it's not uncommon for people to play pick up football 264 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: games after Thanksgiving or the day of Thanksgiving, but I 265 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: just want to tell you it's very uncommon for you 266 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 1: to have ever taken it nearly as seriously as we 267 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: did in Harris County, Georgia. So here's what we did. 268 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: Over the course of about an eight to ten year period, 269 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 1: we grew and evolved a game known as the Thanksgiving Classic. 270 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,599 Speaker 1: And here's what happened. It was the day after Thanksgiving. 271 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: We would have captains for teams. We would recruit, and 272 00:11:57,559 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: it was eight on eight football. We made our own rules. 273 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: They kind of went along with what eight man normally 274 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: would be. We had three down linemen, we had one 275 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: blitz per four downs. We had a different first down 276 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: set of rules than just every ten yards. It was 277 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: kind of fascinating. I'm not going to explain it here. 278 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 1: We played on a sixty yard field. We played three 279 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: quarters width of the field instead of the full fifty 280 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 1: three yards. And so what we would do is we 281 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: would recruit and then we would totally go into game 282 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: preparation mode. I'm talking about like a month or two 283 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: months ahead of the game, we would go into game 284 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: preparation mode. This was full tackle. It was full contact, 285 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: not a pad to be found. And over the course 286 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 1: of that ten years, we had a lot of people 287 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: playing in that game that had no business playing in 288 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: that game. I still won't give you the names, but 289 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: I can tell you we had one day out there. 290 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: We had one game out there where we had a 291 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 1: linebacker for Georgia, we had a starting ACC quarterback, we 292 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 1: had a guy who went on to play linebacker for 293 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: an AFC team. And so that's the kind of folks 294 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: that were out there. They had no business being out there, 295 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: violating contracts, violating scholarships. That's why we got to keep 296 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: them nameless. But anyway, so we would play and we 297 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 1: would record it. We had our own playbooks, we had everything. 298 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: I cannot explain to you in strong enough terms how 299 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: seriously we took this game. We would wake up. Keep 300 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 1: in mind, it's the day after Thanksgiving, so it's Black Friday. 301 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: We would wake up at six am because we have 302 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,079 Speaker 1: a ten am kickoff. We would wake up at six am. 303 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 1: We would all meet at ihop in North Columbus, and 304 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 1: we would all be wearing matching white or black, depending 305 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: on which team you were on that year. We would 306 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: basically do a pregame meal, just like you would if 307 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: you were playing a much more consequential game, and then 308 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: we would all caravan up to Harris County High school, 309 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 1: and that's where we would play the actual game. Extremely serious, 310 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: tensions were high, several fights, and then at the very end, 311 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 1: and pay attention, callus, this is where it's really important. 312 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: The winning team would hoist the Chalice of Supremacy. Because 313 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: when your father runs a trophy shop all pro materials 314 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:51,719 Speaker 1: in Columbus, Georgia, by the way, hit them up. When 315 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 1: your father runs a trophy shop, you can get any 316 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 1: award you want made, and you can get anything you 317 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: want engraved on it. And so we didn't want a 318 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: normal award, didn't want a normal trophy. I went and 319 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: I looked in the catalog that he orders from, and 320 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: we found the biggest silver cup looking thing that we 321 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: could and we mounted it on a two tier trophy 322 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: and we carved Thanksgiving classic chalice of Supremacy. And the 323 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: tradition was, even though it tasted like a battery, we 324 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: would pour water in the top of the chalice and 325 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: then we would take pictures with each person taking a 326 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: sip of water out of the Chalice of Supremacy. And 327 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: not to overstate things too much this morning, but being 328 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: a ten time Chalice of Supremacy winner, it may be 329 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: the biggest accomplishment of my life. And it also warms 330 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: my heart to know that several members of the teams 331 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: that we victimized during that decade of dominance listen regularly 332 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: to this podcast. So it hurt you guys a lot 333 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: more than it hurt me. Let me say that. Let's 334 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: move on here a question from Jeremy. If you ran 335 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: ESPN and you owned the college football playoff contract, what 336 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: would the perfect four team playoff field be? Jeremy, this 337 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: one was pretty easy, but I think you could also 338 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: substitute some teams here. So I would go Alabama, Texas, USC, 339 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: and Ohio in no particular order. I don't really care 340 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: about the seating there. I guess I would probably like Texas, 341 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: Ohio State in the semi final, and Bama USC. So 342 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: I could get a South versus West Coast, and I 343 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: could get a Texas's back versus the Midwest. I'm getting 344 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: all the major TV markets in there, I'm getting all 345 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: the regions in there. Now. You could also very easily 346 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: substitute a Notre Dame or a Michigan for Ohio State. 347 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: In fact, it may end up being better if we 348 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: had Michigan over Ohio State, because then there's no risk 349 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: of alienating anyone who's just tired of watching Ohio State dominance. 350 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: So and I'd still get Ohio State fans watching because 351 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: you despise Michigan, and you guys are hardcore fans anyway, 352 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: so you're just going to watch the playoff for Alabama. 353 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: I'm not really crazy about substituting another Southern team for 354 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: Alabama only because no one else down here has Nick Saban. 355 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: But if I did put Georgia in over Alabama, I 356 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: would still maybe to a seventy five or eighty percent degree, 357 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: accomplish what I'm wanting to. Having the most dominant conference 358 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: represented Texas is a no brainer. Texas number one. It 359 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: takes care of then hire. We want Texas to be 360 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: back ecosystem. It's huge fan base, it's a huge brand. 361 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: It gets a new brand to the table that hasn't 362 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: been there in over a decade now. And then, like 363 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: I said, with USC, it's just the biggest market, it's 364 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: the biggest program on the West coast. Also in this mix, 365 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: I have two teams that have been in the mix 366 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: pretty regularly in Alabama Ohio State. Alabama's been dominating the sport. 367 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: But I think you need the goliath in the playoff 368 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: because then you have two teams that are totally new 369 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: to the picture. In Texas, USC Ohio State has not 370 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: slayed that dragon yet, and so you got three teams 371 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: gunning for that giant. That goliath. Also two of them 372 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: are brand new to the party. So the crowd that 373 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: cares about storylines more than football, and then the crowd 374 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: that also is able to very skillfully intersect and intertwine 375 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: storylines into football and really good coverage of the sport, 376 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: this is nirvana for them. This is something. This is 377 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: a build up that you would like to last three 378 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: months instead of just the requisite three weeks that it 379 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: normally does. Or this past year we only had a 380 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: two week build up, so it was like a bye 381 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: week essentially, and then it was time to go play. 382 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: But this is one I'll be very interested to hear 383 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: from you on. In fact, do you know what hit 384 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: me up on Twitter at late kick, Josh, what would 385 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 1: be I'll put this out. I'll put this out as 386 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: a poll as soon as I get done recording this, 387 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 1: and so we can go ahead and get that conversation started. 388 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: If you ran ESPN, if you own the college football playoff. 389 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: You got skin in the game. What is your perfect 390 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 1: four team playoff field? Next up is Michelle and she 391 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: calls me out, and I, believe it or not, it's warranted, 392 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: and so I need to take a break, take a 393 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: deep breath, and we will address and Michelle's beef, which 394 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 1: again turned out to be valid right after this. So 395 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 1: Michelle pulls out the ruler this morning and brings it 396 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 1: down squarely across my wrist and says, I couldn't quite 397 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 1: get where you were going the other night on your 398 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: live show when you talked about how a team could 399 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: become a Tier one program by using the transfer portal, 400 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,640 Speaker 1: Could you please restate your point? And so I thought, Michelle, 401 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: you know, that's kind of mean thing to say. Then 402 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: I went back and listened, and once I was done listening, 403 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: I said, you know, Michelle, you're kind of right there. 404 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 1: That's the price you pay sometimes, Michelle for doing live anything. 405 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: Sometimes you just don't get a redo and it comes 406 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: out of your mouth. And I thought I had really 407 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: articulated that point. Well. I mean, I walked out of 408 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: that studio number one, just glad we could get on 409 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: air because we had an hour's delay, which I will 410 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: circle back around to in a second, because you guys 411 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: deserve another very very loud round of applause. But secondly, 412 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: I walked out thinking, hey, I stated that pretty well. 413 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 1: You know, director Colin said, good show. I think he 414 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 1: was just ready to get home, so was I. But 415 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 1: I went back and listened, and yeah, I didn't really 416 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 1: nail it like I wanted to. That's again, that's the 417 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: price you pay sometimes when you do it live and 418 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,439 Speaker 1: you get no redos. There's no safety that we do 419 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 1: our shows live because it petrifies most people. But I 420 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: became addicted to it when I was doing radio and TV, 421 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 1: and when I started the pre recorded life, I hated 422 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 1: it because you would try and touch up everything, and 423 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: there's there's no subconscious adrenaline rush like knowing you have 424 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: to nail it the first time. So I love doing 425 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: it live. I don't do it any other way. These podcasts, 426 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 1: I wish we did these live. And so when I 427 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: went back and listen, here's what I missed, Michelle, Here's 428 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: what I was trying to say. I think the Transfer 429 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 1: Portal is not going to take any current Tier one 430 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 1: programs and remove them. So I don't think Alabama or 431 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: Clemson or Ohio State or Oklahoma like, I don't think 432 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 1: they're going to be victimized by the transfer portal. They 433 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: may have a net benefit, but I think some of 434 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: these early fears about well, since they're the most loaded 435 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: rosters and all these kids can't get playing time now, 436 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 1: they're all going to leave after spring practice of their 437 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 1: freshman year. There may be some anecdotal exceptions to this, 438 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 1: but I think that's largely an overblown concern. But here's 439 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 1: where I do think it could impact the sport. If 440 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: you take the Tier two programs, so those are your 441 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 1: Oregons or your Texas A and MS, where I think 442 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,400 Speaker 1: we still see the most separational average between good Tier 443 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: two teams and truly elite Tier one teams is in attrition. 444 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: And that's not to mean the Tier one programs don't 445 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: lose players, but when you come into a season as 446 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: a Tier two team, if you have lost, for instance, 447 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: three wide receivers or if you have lost two interior 448 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: defensive linemen on average, you're going to have a glaring 449 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: at least question, if not early season weakness at those positions. 450 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: Whereas the Tier one programs they have truly ascended to 451 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 1: that reload instead of rebuild. And what that basically means 452 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 1: is their true freshmen are so good and they're recruiting 453 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 1: at such a level or they have stacked so much 454 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: depth through recruiting that they don't have to worry about 455 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 1: those problems quite like you do. They're not immune from it, 456 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: but on average, they don't have to worry about it. Well, 457 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: how do you address that, Well, if you can either 458 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: recruit at a top three level, and that's the one 459 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: way you can fix it at which point you were 460 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: about to ascend to tier one status. But the other 461 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: way is, let's say you're still recruiting good, you're still 462 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 1: recruiting in the five to ten range, but you're still 463 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: not quiet on the level of a program that recruits 464 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 1: top two or three every year. It's really hard to 465 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: get there, and so you still have those roster holes 466 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:42,199 Speaker 1: and those not glaring weaknesses, but noticeable deficiencies on a 467 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: couple of depth positions and spots on your roster going 468 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: into a season. Well, here's what you can do. If 469 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: you master the transfer portal, then you can supplement basically 470 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: what you don't get from elite recruiting if you're not 471 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: in the top three but you're in the top five 472 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: to ten, you got a good roster. But if you 473 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: still have oh man, we lost the right side of 474 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: our offensive lines, we're going to have some inexperience there, 475 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 1: and are inexperience usually equals some less than stellar play 476 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: early on in the season, And so how do we 477 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: fix that? Well, I think there's going to be one 478 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: or two programs out there that end up mastering this 479 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: transfer portal thing to such a degree that they largely 480 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: supplement what they aren't getting from elite recruiting with the 481 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 1: transfer portal. So they're good at recruiting, they already got 482 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 1: a good roster, but then if they need to supplement, 483 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: they go to the transfer portal and they figure out 484 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: such an effective way to do it that they are 485 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 1: not in the same position normal Tier two teams are 486 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: when it comes to roster attrition and therefore deficiency. I 487 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 1: think they're going to be able to plug their holes 488 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,719 Speaker 1: through the transfer portal. Now I don't know who's going 489 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: to do this. I think Oklahoma is a very very 490 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: very early example of a program that's doing it. And 491 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 1: Oklahoma's already to me a Tier one team anyway, Although 492 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: if you were going to do sub tiers in Tier one. 493 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: Oklahoma is not Alabama yet. Oklahoma is not Clemson yet. 494 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 1: I think they're very close, veryable, but they're not quite 495 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: there yet. But if you were to make them like 496 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: let's say Tier one B, well, the way that they 497 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: are competing and comparing now with the big boys is 498 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,400 Speaker 1: they're recruiting very well. They're recruiting top ten. But look 499 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 1: at what they just did in the transfer portal. They 500 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: just went and got all these dudes from Tennessee. It 501 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,679 Speaker 1: seems like they raided Tennessee, but they effectively did this. 502 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: I think Miami, for reasons I've told you, will be 503 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 1: in a position to effectively do this. So Michelle, that's 504 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 1: what I meant. What I simply meant was I think 505 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: there are going to be a couple of Tier two programs, 506 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 1: maybe one, maybe two that supplement the fact that they 507 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: aren't top three perennial in recruiting with the transfer portal 508 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: and they end up with a net result that is 509 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 1: the same on field product as Tier one programs are 510 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: able to achieve through their superior high school recruiting and 511 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: therefore roster depth. Let's say JT's question here accidentally skipped 512 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: over it. But he didn't need to know that. So 513 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: I don't know why I brought that up. You would 514 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:55,360 Speaker 1: never have been the wiser. But nevertheless, jt asks, Hey, 515 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: what's your favorite pregame song? And this is a good 516 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 1: question because this answer has a story tied to So 517 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: back in the day, this would have been m somewhere 518 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: mid to late nineties. I was a kid. I was 519 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: like in pee wee age, coach pitch baseball age. I 520 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: got to go to a playoff game. We knew some 521 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: people in Carrollton, Georgia. So the Carrollton Trojans are in 522 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: the playoffs and we got to go up there. And again, 523 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: I'm single digits young, I'm like eight seven years old, 524 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: and we got to go in the Carrollton Trojans' locker 525 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: room before a playoff game. Now, obviously, little seven year 526 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: old JP, I've never experienced anything like that. I've never 527 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: been around high school or college competition at all, any 528 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: kind of athletics, and so I was exposed to a 529 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: new world. Well, when I was in the locker room, 530 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 1: there was a lot of intensity. Obviously, I mean it's 531 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: a football locker room, it's a high schoo football locker 532 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 1: room before a state playoff game. But then so I 533 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: listened to a coach give a pregame and I am 534 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 1: looking at position coaches do their thing. I'm hearing a 535 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: lot of words I've never heard before. But then they 536 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: go into about ten minutes before take the field mode, 537 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 1: and everything goes quiet. I'm just observing, hiding and observing, 538 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, there's this song that starts 539 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 1: being played throughout the entire locker room. And the song 540 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: was in the Air Tonight by Phil Collins. Now I 541 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: had heard In the Air Tonight before I had been 542 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: to the dentist office. I had sat in the waiting 543 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: room lobby with my mom. I had ridden around in 544 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: her Honda on the way to school. I had listened 545 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: to Sunny one hundred in Columbus, Georgia, but I had 546 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: never heard that song in that setting. I was unfamiliar 547 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 1: with the concept of a hype song, or a pregame 548 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 1: song or anything like that period. I knew the Tomahawk 549 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: shop for the Atlanta Bres and that's about the only 550 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 1: musical theme that I attributed to any kind of sporting event. 551 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: And so when I experienced that, it never left me. 552 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: I still remember it to this day. It's one of 553 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: my favorite sports memories of all time. I'm pretty sure 554 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 1: I've never shared that story here, but being in the 555 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 1: Carrollton Trojans locker room circam mid to late nineties and 556 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 1: listening to Phil Collins in the air tonight that became 557 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: then and still listen today, my favorite pregame song, Let's 558 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: Go to Andy. He says, now that the data and 559 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: a na analytics job market has become full in college sports, 560 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: what do you think is the next thing to explode? Andy? 561 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: I don't think it's full. Quite the opposite. I still 562 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,719 Speaker 1: think the data and analytics job industry in college sports 563 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: is wide open. In fact, last night I was talking 564 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 1: to someone with a major Power five program, let's say, 565 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: in college basketball, and they're gearing up for conference tournaments 566 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: and March Madness and stuff like that. But I was 567 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 1: talking to this person, and I was asking a lot 568 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,199 Speaker 1: of questions, and I found out that this is a 569 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: one man department. And this is not uncommon at all. 570 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 1: This is major, like Power five level college basketball programs 571 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 1: operating with a personnel department of one in their data 572 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: and analytics field. Some programs have taken it really seriously, 573 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,479 Speaker 1: It's like at the NBA level. Golden State famously got 574 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: way ahead of the curve here, whereas either are some 575 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,199 Speaker 1: organizations that only have one person, like apparently the LA 576 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: Clippers are well behind the curve on this well. In 577 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: college sports, the gulf is even wider. There are some 578 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: programs that have gotten way ahead of the curve in football, basketball, 579 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: fill in the blank. When it comes to data and analytics, 580 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,360 Speaker 1: there are some programs that are petrified to even dip 581 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: their toe in the water. But here's what they all realize. 582 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 1: They all realize they can't give up a competitive edge 583 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: to their rivals. And so even if they don't want 584 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 1: to do it, even if they don't want to get 585 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: in that field because they don't understand it or speak 586 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: the language, begrudgingly they have to go down that road 587 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: because otherwise, when they peer in the curtain of their 588 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 1: neighbor and they see them hard at working there with 589 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: a ten person team of data analysts, they don't want 590 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: to fall behind. So what happens right now is you 591 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: got a lot of folks out there hiring data and 592 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 1: analytics types that do not know about the world of 593 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: data and analytics. So here's what you have to do. Andy. 594 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 1: You have to know your craft absolutely, but forget about 595 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: your charts, forget about all your algorithms, forget about speaking 596 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: what might as well be Mandarin Chinese to these people. 597 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: You need to be able to sum up in two 598 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: or three sentences why you have something they need. That's it, 599 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,199 Speaker 1: and that's all I need to pitch yourself to as 600 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 1: many people as possible, because I was talking to this 601 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: person and I told them you could be in a 602 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,120 Speaker 1: position where your value skyrockets over the span of two 603 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: or three weeks, like if your team, for instance, if 604 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: you guys were to go on a run in a 605 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: conference tournament, or you get in the NCAA's and you 606 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: go on a run, all of a sudden, everyone looks 607 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: at you like a dead carcass, your program, that is, 608 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:22,959 Speaker 1: and everyone wants to pick every bit of meat off 609 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: the bone they can because they want what you have. 610 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: And it's what happened to LSU and football in twenty nineteen. 611 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: A bunch of people came calling for a bunch of 612 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: different aspects of that program because everyone looked at that 613 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: LSU twenty nineteen model and said, that's what we want 614 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: our program to be. And so everything from the offensive 615 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 1: coordinator to the video production team got poached by the 616 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers, usc everywhere in between. And so that's what 617 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: happens sometimes in the data and analytics world too. You 618 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: get yourself in the right position and then when the 619 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 1: right time happens, you capitalize on it and you market 620 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: yourself shamelessly, respectfully, but you don't hold back, and you 621 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: get your name out there to was any people as possible, 622 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: and you're going to get in front of someone eventually, 623 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 1: and they may not know how to so much expel analytics, 624 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 1: but they know they got the budget for it, they 625 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,400 Speaker 1: got the head organizationally open for it, and they want 626 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: to fill it. And you've got to be able to 627 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: tell them really quickly, two or three sentences, here's why 628 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: you need me. Then if they want to hear more 629 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,120 Speaker 1: and they want to see all those fancy grass and presentations, 630 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: well then you can give it to them. But that 631 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: andy is really what it comes down to. And so 632 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, if that is the field you're interested 633 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: in data and analytics, you don't need to move on. 634 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 1: You need to stay right there. If that's your wheelhouse, 635 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,479 Speaker 1: stay right there. This is the infancy. Still of this 636 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: era in college sports, instead of the prime years, instead 637 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: of the golden istion. This is still the infancy and 638 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: there's a lot of phasing for this too. I was 639 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: talking about Clemson earlier and how there was phase one 640 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: and phase two of their dynasty when it comes to digital. Rather, 641 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: when it comes to data and analytics in the world 642 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: of college football and especially college baseball or basketball, we're 643 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: still in the infancy. There are major, major Power five 644 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: programs out there that have not even delved into it yet. 645 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: They have zero paid data analyst positions in their athletic departments. Zero. 646 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: Does that sound like the market has saturated itself. I 647 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: don't think so. Andy, So you're good, man, don't worry 648 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: about that. You are good. Let's wrap it up with 649 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: Roger this morning. He said, do you buy Dan Mullen 650 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: when he says he never talked to any NFL teams 651 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: even after all those rumors. Well, technically, yeah, I Roger, 652 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: I do buy that he Dan Mullen didn't talk to 653 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: any NFL teams. I do not buy that he didn't 654 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: attempt to. Certainly he and his representation. Well, let me 655 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: say this, I would bet a lot of money that 656 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: he and his representation got his name out there as 657 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: much as they possibly could. Whether the NFL was interested 658 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: that is a variable that he didn't control, So I 659 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: don't know how he's presented it down there. I'm going 660 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: to talk a little bit more about this tonight and 661 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: probably do a lot more reading on it today. Dan 662 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: Mullen operated last year pretty much the entire season to 663 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: me like a guy who was a senior in high 664 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: school and he was trying to win, but also he 665 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: didn't think he'd be year. I think he fully believed 666 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: I'm headed to the NFL after this year, and so 667 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: he acted just goofy at times, and he acted non 668 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: schollan or care free at other points. Where he was 669 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: serious was he was serious between the lines, and he 670 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: was serious when Colin plays and trying to win football games. 671 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: But outside of that, like being a model representative of 672 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: the university, trying to take recruiting to the next level, 673 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: representing the Florida Gator brand the way it should be represented. Nah, 674 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: he was checked out on that. And so here's the 675 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: big hang up. I think for Dan Mullen and Florida 676 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: what was supposed to be their huge year last year, 677 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: there are so many juxtapositions. Like you would think if 678 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: I told you, hey, you're gonna win the East and 679 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: beat Georgia, Well, we're gonna be good, right, and you're 680 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: gonna play in the SEC title game. We're gonna be 681 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: good right. I mean, at the very least, even if 682 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: we lose in Atlanta, we still will have accomplished so 683 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: much while they were a four lost team. So how 684 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: did that compute? You go into the season and I 685 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: tell you two things are true? What four things? You're 686 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: gonna beat Georgia, You're gonna when the East, You're gonna 687 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: go to Atlanta and be within a possession at least 688 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: of Alabama. But yet you're also gonna lose to LSU 689 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: is a twenty four point favorite, thus completely torpedoing any 690 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: shot you have at the playoff. And then you're gonna 691 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: show up so ill prepared to play Oklahoma. Your head 692 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: coach afterwards is going to say, well, this wasn't our 693 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: real team. You're also going to have a player throw 694 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: a shoe at one of the most pivotal moments of 695 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: the season and cost yourself a chance to win a game. 696 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: Oh and by the way, you're gonna have a coach 697 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: do very little, if nothing at all, to diffuse an 698 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: ugly situation at midfield against Missouri. But it's okay because 699 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: he's gonnaddress as Darth Vader for a postgame interview. All 700 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: these things happened. This is not from a fairy tale. 701 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: This really occurred all in one season. By the way, 702 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: that's not a decade I just described. That's one season. 703 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm going to talk about that a lot 704 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: more tonight. That's a good question though, as were a 705 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: lot of these this morning. So I got to get 706 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: go in because we've got a busy day today. Among 707 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: other things, I got to get Late Kick Live ready 708 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: for tonight, so looking forward to that. Remember give us 709 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: five star reviews here on the Apple podcast side of things. 710 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 1: Really helps us if you give us some traction over 711 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 1: on Spotify too. 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