1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 2: Welcome to Move the Sticks, DJ and Buck with you 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 2: and Buck Man. We've had some cool guests on this show. 5 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 2: We've had World Series champs, We've had NFL champs, college champs, 6 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 2: you know, you name it, across a wide variety of spectrums. 7 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 2: But today's guest I might be more fired up than 8 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 2: any of them. 9 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: Yeah. 10 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 3: Former numb one overall pick Andrew Luck is going to 11 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 3: join the program talk about all things Stanford, his new 12 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 3: role as a general manager and just making a transition 13 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 3: for being a standout player to being a standout team build. 14 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. 15 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 2: And if you're if you're thinking this is going to 16 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 2: be a deep dive into his NFL career or you 17 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 2: know why he decided to retire at such a young age, 18 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 2: Now that's not. 19 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 1: What this is. 20 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 2: This is. This is about the future. This is about 21 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,480 Speaker 2: Andrew Luck as the general manager of Stanford Football. Someone 22 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 2: who has such a unique background and experiences, you know, 23 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 2: really at Stanford as well as going on to the NFL, 24 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 2: whose dad was an administrator and an athletic director, and 25 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 2: now he finds himself in this role of trying to 26 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 2: revive a Stanford football program that he helped build up 27 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 2: has kind of come crashing back down and he's in 28 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:12,759 Speaker 2: the process of trying to get it back onto the mountaintop. 29 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 2: So one of the more fascinating men in all of sports, 30 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 2: and a conversation we're really looking forward to and I 31 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 2: think you can enjoy it. Here's our chat with Andrew Luck. 32 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:25,479 Speaker 2: All Right, Buck excited to have with us a player 33 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 2: we both scouted back in our NFL days and someone 34 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 2: who has had an incredible journey and is now the 35 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 2: general manager for the Stanford Cardinal. Andrew Luck joined us. Andrew, 36 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 2: how you doing, man. 37 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: I'm doing really well. To be clear, this is not 38 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: my jersey behind me. It's John Brody. I've get dogged on. No, no, no, 39 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: I have my plunk at jersey next to it. I 40 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: tried to switch the wire, was wrong and I I 41 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: gave up, so I put John Brody back up. 42 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 2: That's fantastic. Hey, as we get started here, I was 43 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 2: going back through my notes on you. I think I was. 44 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 2: That was twenty twelve, right, was your was your draft year? 45 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: Yeah? 46 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 2: So I was with the Eagles and I just remember 47 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 2: going through there and the first question that everybody asked. 48 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,959 Speaker 1: Was how did how did you guys get this guy? 49 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 2: So I've never heard that story from you. Your recruiting process, 50 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 2: why you chose Stanford. 51 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, well I've thought about it a lot more being 52 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: a GM now and spending a good chunk of my 53 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: time recruiting to this amazing university, you know, in the 54 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: football program. We were in Houston, Texas. Uh. You know, 55 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: my I grew up in a in a football family. 56 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,799 Speaker 1: My dad was a sports exec for NFL Europe, right 57 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 1: and the sports exactly a bunch of other wies. We 58 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: ended up moving to Houston for middle school and high school. 59 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: And I was a football obsessed kid and I and 60 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: you know, we were a family that stressed academics. You know. 61 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: My my parents did a great job, I think with 62 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: all of us growing up. And I enjoyed school, you know. 63 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: And I was a nerd, and I liked playing with legos, 64 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: and I love playing sports, and I love playing football, 65 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: and I love playing basketball and baseball, you know. And 66 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: I got to you know, I won a starting job 67 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:58,959 Speaker 1: on our varsity team Strafford High School my sophomore year 68 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: and started getting recruited right and certainly when you're when 69 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: you're the son of a former NFL quarterback, like you know, 70 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: you get there's name recognition as well. Uh and you know, 71 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:15,239 Speaker 1: Jim Harball was hired by Stanford. I can't remember exactly when, 72 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 1: but I remember was, you know, we used to have 73 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: a computer in like our living room, and my mom 74 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: was an early adopter of computers and like Yahoo, and 75 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: she had you know, emails like it was. So we 76 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: had a computer, and so my dad, I think, was 77 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: figuring out like that he could go get his sports 78 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: news on the internet, not you know, wait, just chronicle 79 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: to come in the morning. So he would sit there 80 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: and type like an old man, you know, bah bah bah, 81 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: and he yelled out, hey, Stanford just hired Jim Harbaugh 82 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: as the head football coach. And I didn't you know, 83 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: it went way over my head, but I think a 84 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: seed had planted in his mind. He's like, let's go 85 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: out and visit Berkeley and Stanford. So a spring break, 86 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: my dad took me out to visit Jim Harbaugh, who 87 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: was who was pretty new in his job and getting 88 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: a very infamous bathroom built connected to his office, which 89 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: you could read about at some point. And I visited 90 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: I fell in love with Coach Harbaugh and his enthusiasm 91 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: and his deep conviction that you can win here. And 92 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: I looked at Stanford as the singular place that was 93 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: going to get the most out of all of me 94 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: as a quarterback. I wanted to be like Jim Plunkett 95 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 1: and John Lway right like I wanted that this place 96 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 1: out of history. I knew Coach Harbaugh was going to 97 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: push me. I knew the staff was going to push me. 98 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: I knew I was going to go to one of 99 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,559 Speaker 1: the best, if not the best school in the world, 100 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 1: like and I wanted to challenge myself that way. I 101 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 1: wanted to make sure I was growing. So you know, 102 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: I committed to a team that went one and eleven 103 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: the year before, you know, Coach Harbaugh got there because 104 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 1: I believed in this thing and believed and doing it 105 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: a little different perhaps than some others. In my situation. 106 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: I was like, I was a pretty big recruit, not 107 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 1: like big, big, big big, but you know, I was good. 108 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 1: And I met a bunch of the other guys too, 109 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: a bunch of other commits, a bunch of guys in 110 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: the locker room. I was these guys are from all 111 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 1: over the country. They love football. They're obsessive over it, 112 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: and like you walk by and they're having a conversation 113 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: about the Israeli Palestine Palestine conflict, or like why you 114 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: know what happens when water actually boils at two hundred 115 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: and twelve degrees? What's happened to? You know? Like, WHOA, 116 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: this is cool? You know, And I'm sure glad I did. 117 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: I was pushed. I grew a lot at the coach Shaw, 118 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: Coach Harball, Greg Roman, the Pap Hamilton, the coaching staff 119 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 1: challenged me. I was prepared for the NFL when I 120 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: came out. I really was. The way they asked me 121 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: to run an offense was like an NFL team, and 122 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 1: they taught it. You are great teachers, and so I 123 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: take a lot of that's my job now. You know. 124 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 3: It's funny, Andrew, because that was gonna be my natural transition, 125 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 3: because because you went in to a program that was 126 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 3: one and eleven before, you've got that, you've seen it 127 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 3: go from the bottom to where they had the pinnacle 128 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 3: of Stanford football. How do you try and replicate that 129 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 3: in your current role as a general manager where you 130 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 3: currently have framed right, but eventually you may have a 131 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 3: full time coach, Like, how do you take what you 132 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 3: learned as a player and replicate that now as the 133 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 3: general management? 134 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely, well one, you know there, I think there 135 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 1: are pretty there are some timeless principles in our sport, right, 136 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: and there's probably some timeless principles organizationally across industries. And 137 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 1: like the world has changed. We are paying players and 138 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: we're excited about it. Right. The transfer portal is different 139 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: than than when I was in school, and so you know, one, 140 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: Coach Harbaugh's having a leader of the program that had deep, 141 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 1: deep conviction that we were going to win, and what 142 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: might be perceived as challenges, we're not going to be 143 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: excuses right at all? Right, Coach Harba said, well, shoot, 144 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: if we can only recruit forty or fifty guys a 145 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: year because of the academic threshold, let's go find the 146 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 1: best forty or fifty and make sure our yield is 147 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: higher than everybody else. Right in high school recruit good. 148 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: That's profoundly affecting how I do this too. Let's build 149 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: a foundation of like hard work, respecting each other, holding 150 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: really really really high standards because we have high expectations. 151 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: We have very high expectations and those have to be 152 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 1: rooted in very high standards and really high care right 153 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: and and so are those coaching staffs, coachar Ball, Coach 154 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 1: Shaw afterwards, they did it authentically. Coach har Ball was 155 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: authentically himself. Coach Shaw was authentically himself. I learned to 156 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: be the best quarterback I could be. I had to 157 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: be me, right, including walking into a locker room where 158 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning had been the previous quarterback. Was if I 159 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: if I was trying to be Peyton a version you know, 160 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: Andrew's version of Peyton, that it would fail quickly, right, 161 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: fail quickly. And I was was given license by Dwight 162 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: Freeney on day one walking in that locker room, said Andrew, 163 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: you need to be the best you you can be. 164 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: No one else this team just needs you. And that 165 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: that meant a whole lot as a young rookie quarterback 166 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: coming into you know, into that space. So you know, one, 167 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: bringing all of me as a leader to this thing. 168 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: Uh two, Going and finding the unicorns around the country 169 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: at high school that that have the grades and and 170 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: Ball out right, that are willing to put the work 171 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: in and willing to learn and play great football. Building 172 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: the culture of brotherhood or young men are playing for 173 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: each other right and understand our plan and you mentioned 174 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: it too, Frank. Frank has done an unbelievable job this year. 175 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: He saved my bacon man coming in for eight months 176 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: and doing this thing, and the progress and that our 177 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: team has made is unbelievable. I'm proud of him. I'm 178 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: proud of our staff. I get proud watching these guys 179 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: every Saturday go out and lay it on the line. 180 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: And it's a wonderful thing to be a part of. 181 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 2: You touched on two things I wanted to get some 182 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 2: further thought on because you talked about the foundation and 183 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 2: build down foundation. I think of your your studies and 184 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 2: your background in design, architectural design, like how that plays 185 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: into it and what does this foundation need to be 186 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 2: to go forward. And the second thing is we've talked 187 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 2: a lot and just talking to our buddies and GM 188 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 2: roles in all different sports. The phrase that we've heard 189 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 2: more than any other the last twenty four months has 190 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 2: been care factor. 191 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 1: We can talk about it's easy. 192 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,719 Speaker 2: The scouting, the talent is really it is what it is, 193 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 2: but trying to find guys with a very high care 194 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 2: factor is the challenge, how do you go out doing 195 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 2: that when you're visiting with seventeen eighteen year old kids? 196 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: Oh? Man, it is a that's what a great question, right, 197 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: And it is the question I think. I think there's 198 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: two sides of the coin, not two sides of the coin. 199 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,719 Speaker 1: I think of care factor at two different levels, like 200 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: one at the individual, do I like, do I love football? 201 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: And do I love learning? Right? Because that do I? 202 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: And have I seen enough evidence that I can get 203 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,319 Speaker 1: better at football? Right? Like? You want kids who are 204 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: just obsessed about getting better at football because it's that 205 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: gets to become an addictive feeling, and that's a virtuous 206 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: fly cycle, right, Like like a flywheel. I'm like, yeah, better, better, 207 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: better better. Frank Reich has done that for our guys. 208 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: They've gotten better that coaching our staff in combect and 209 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: then also for our staff, right, are we getting better? 210 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: Am I getting better? In this job? Is there? Is 211 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: there a level of intrinsic motivation often tied with love 212 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: of something? Right? Hard to want to get better at 213 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: something if you if you just sort of like it 214 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: a little bit, or like really don't like it. But 215 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: sussing that out, I'm not sure I have a formula. 216 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:04,839 Speaker 1: Yet you know some of it. Some of it I 217 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: think is gut instinct and feel right, And maybe that's 218 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 1: the art of recruiting or personnel. I think some of 219 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: it's the right line of questioning and and and oftentimes 220 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: it's you gotta find character references, right. You gotta find 221 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: people who who who will spill some story that has 222 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: some nugget of truth and put enough of those nuggets 223 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: of truth together to find a picture, and then you 224 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: take a leap of faith. Right. But I also I 225 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: also believe a care factor of how are we as 226 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: a program taking care of our people right and giving 227 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: everyone the best chance to have their care fractor grow 228 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: as they as they're It's not a static thing, right, 229 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: is not a static right, like we have to be 230 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 1: a place that you know, I mentioned high expectations and 231 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: standards and high care. Like high standards and high care, 232 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: that's the right combination. It gets old if there's really 233 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: high standards in low care. Right. It also gets old 234 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: it's kid gloves if it's real high care and low standards. Right. 235 00:10:58,040 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: And there's a there's a quote from one of my 236 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: men towards Admiral Sandy Winnifeld an amazing man. He's got 237 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: a great book on leadership called Sailing Up. When he 238 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: was I'm going to say the words wrong, but chief 239 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: of staff for Colon Pal at some point and Colon 240 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: turned him in a car. He tells this great story. 241 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: We turned him in a car and said, Sandy, morale 242 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 1: has never been improved by lowering standards. Right, used to like, so, 243 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 1: how do we have a system of high care and 244 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: high standards and find the people that will thrive in 245 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: that system? And look, I'm like nine months in this job, 246 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: Like the data is not there. This is like we 247 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: got I should say, the big, big, big data. I 248 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: know we're on the right path. I have a conviction 249 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: that this is the right path. But it's there's a 250 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: there's faith in this right you know. Man, I'd love 251 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: to be sating here five years from I was saying, yeah, 252 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: we just won for national champ. But that's that's That's 253 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: how I'm approaching both the the like sussing out care 254 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: factor and and you gotta hold up, you're into the 255 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: bargain too. You got to help young men tend that 256 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: care factor and grow it, you know. 257 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 3: And you have so fascinated because I do remember going 258 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 3: down and watching you play one of your final games 259 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 3: down in the Fiesta Bowl, and how the brand that 260 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 3: Stanford had become. You guys have talked about nerdination or 261 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 3: intelectual brutality in those things. 262 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: Talk about it when you look at Stanford, because you've 263 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: been a part of it. 264 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 3: What is that brand when it comes to the football program? 265 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: Yeah? You know, I think why nerdination and intellectual brutality 266 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:34,599 Speaker 1: were were so authentic was because they and this is 267 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: an overused word, but they organically grew out of an 268 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 1: identity right And so I what I see our team 269 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 1: doing right now is working their butts off and practicing 270 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 1: hard and being professional and understanding the better the better 271 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: we execute a game plan, the better we understand the 272 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: game plan, the better chance we have of winning a game. 273 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: So I love nerd Nation because Shane Scope, but my 274 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: teammate who you know, who's an all the MYA and linebacker, Yeah, 275 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: you know, someone from the stands gave him a pair 276 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: of glasses with some tape after after a huge win, 277 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 1: and he put him on for the press conference, and 278 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: it was like, yeah, we let's because we are a 279 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: bunch of nerds. Because everybody has they love on the team. 280 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: Lead you love football, and there's probably something else that 281 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: you just that you're willing to go deep in. And 282 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: then intellectual brutality. I give that to Mike Bluegren, the 283 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 1: current offensive line coach the Cleveland Browns, because it's it's 284 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: all about, you know, getting rid of either or getting 285 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 1: rid of a paradox, either intellectual or your brutal. Let's 286 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: combine like this, you know, and create a new paradigm. 287 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 1: And I love that about Stanford, right, scholar athlete, we 288 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: do it right, intellectual brutality that like, I love it. 289 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: So those those are models, those are heguristics, I think. 290 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: But we've also got to chart our own path. And 291 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: I'm curious as this goes what what comes up. We 292 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: certainly have a vision, I mean, we certainly do. We're 293 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: built different to be different, right. We got kids who 294 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: want who like embrace the grind, who want to earn it, 295 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 1: who are looking to be challenged in every way, shape 296 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: or form. We think better men make better players, right, 297 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: Better players make better teams. And I'm curious what sort 298 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: of catchphrase social media slogans comes out of this. But 299 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: it's got to be authentic and there's got to be 300 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: integrity and fidelity to who we actually are, because that's 301 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: what resonates, you know absolutely. 302 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 2: I was thinking back to the first time I went 303 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 2: on campus at Stanford and where we used to park 304 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 2: as scouts. We'd have to walk across the camps. I 305 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 2: remember the first time, Buck, we've talked about this. I 306 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 2: remember parking the first time, and it was a fall day. 307 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 2: It wasn't an early visit. It was a little bit 308 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 2: later in the fall, and I remember walking across and 309 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 2: I swear I thought it was I was on a 310 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 2: sound stage or something, because the leaves just kind of 311 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 2: started falling. I looked to my left and there's the 312 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 2: women's soccer team practicing. I'm sure there's probably six Olympians there. 313 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 2: Then I heard the ping of the of the baseball bat, 314 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 2: and I'm sure there's probably a couple first round picks 315 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 2: on that field as they're kicking some VP walk by 316 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 2: the pool where there's a high diver. I'm sure I 317 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 2: don't know which country, but there's an Olympian that's just 318 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 2: jumping off the high dive, and then I walk in 319 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 2: the building. I remember after that day, Andrew, I called 320 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 2: my parents and I said, if you would have taken 321 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 2: me to Stanford in eighth grade, I would have got 322 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 2: better grades in high school. I didn't know a place 323 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 2: like this existed. So how important is it for you 324 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 2: when you're recruiting these guys to get them on campus 325 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 2: and not just taking your word for it, but come 326 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 2: experience it. 327 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: Oh it's huge. I mean I don't mean this in 328 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: a snobby or study way, but it's a special place. 329 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: As you laid out and like, I'll finish your story, 330 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: and then you walked into a football building and there's 331 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: David Dicastro and Kobe and Zach Ertz who is like 332 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: down the fountain of youth in just a like stillballing 333 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: at a level that you know, these tight ends playing 334 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: forever is unbelievable, man. And yeah, we think it's a 335 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: special place. You know, I met my wife here. She 336 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: was a gymnast right representing the Czech Republic. We all 337 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: live in a dorm freshman year with a random roommate. Like, 338 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: that's where else do you get that in life? Right? 339 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: And we need kids to embrace that. I'm still friends 340 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: with my doormate Dennis Carmen Are from Turkey's an amazing 341 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: dude who lives in the Bay Area, right, Like, it's 342 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: an amazing place, and you mentioned the sports. You're also 343 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: going by a you know, an academic building where we're 344 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: we're we're unbelievable breakthroughs in whatever mission it is are happening. 345 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: It's it's it's a place that rewards the pursuit of excellent, 346 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: not just attaining excellence, but the pursuit you know, So 347 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: getting getting young men in their families on campus is 348 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: core to our recruiting strategy because we think it sells itself. 349 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: And then my job really is to make sure that 350 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: the football is serious, right like serious like what I 351 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: like aspects of what I had old school principles, some 352 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: new school methods, you know, but there are some timeless 353 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: truth But because I came to Stanford, you know, I'm 354 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: in to maybe more succinctly answer the first question. I 355 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: came to Stanford because it was serious about football and 356 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: serious one of other things. And it was a place 357 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: where I did not want to take myself too seriously. 358 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: But you know what, we're our guys are embracing the 359 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: seriousness of football. You know, my my year, I think 360 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: we had we had neca ogla Mike go first overall 361 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:08,400 Speaker 1: in the WNBA. Amazing, you know, it's this amazing hoopster 362 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: from Houston as well. I went first overall in the 363 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 1: NFL draft. Mark a Pell was either drafted as a pitcher, 364 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 1: drafted life first or top five. It was like, you're 365 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: just surrounded. Like I go to the Olympics. My wife's 366 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: a producer for gymnastics at NBC. I went to the 367 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 1: Paris Olympics. What a treat. Like there's fifty nine Stanford 368 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 1: affiliated athletes, my classmates, you know, Katerina Stephanidie Pole vaulter, 369 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: Grease gold medalistic real, we were in the training room together, 370 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: Like that's awesome. Watched Eric Shoji win a bront bronze 371 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: medal and men's volleyball who was freshman door mates with 372 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: my teammates, like we're boys. We partied together, you know. 373 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: It's it's it's an amazing group to be a part of. 374 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: And I love that our football team is part of 375 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: a broader fabric and culture of let's go figure out 376 00:17:57,840 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 1: how to be excellent, you know. 377 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 3: And got to ask you this because I find it 378 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 3: fascinating when I watch you on game day, I know 379 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 3: that you're right on the sideline and it looks like 380 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:09,360 Speaker 3: you're almost in the huddle as a general manager. Tell 381 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 3: me why you feel you need to be on the field, 382 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 3: be on the sidelines to really immerse yourself into the game. 383 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, one of the things Coach Wright encouraged 384 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: me in us and and and I've learned so much 385 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: from that man. And you know, one as it was, 386 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 1: you know my last year playing in the off was him. 387 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: I quit walked away on him and Chris Ballard and 388 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 1: we and our relationship only got stronger, right, Like, he 389 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 1: brings a humanity and a steadfastness and an integrity and 390 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: a care factor for his job and his people. That 391 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: like is inspiring. And I know in large part that's 392 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 1: what our young men are responding to. And so I'm 393 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: eternally grateful for him. Man, I lost the plot of 394 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: the thought. I just I just love talking about. 395 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 2: Being down there on the field, being on the field. 396 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 1: On the field. So you know, one of these he 397 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 1: challenged was like we just had this theme of like, Andrew, 398 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: embrace how unique and weird this season is, just embrace it. 399 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: Embrace it. Because the first game I was up in 400 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: the booth and it was a tough pill for us 401 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 1: to swallow. We lost of why and you know, Frank 402 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: and I downloaded for like five hours after the game. 403 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: We didn't both did a sleep while you wake up? 404 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: You know what's you know, how does this go? He's like, 405 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: I need you out of the booth, Andrew. I need 406 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: you on the field. I I you know, because I'm 407 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 1: involved in training camp, I'm involved in practice, you know. 408 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: Or we have a very we have an egoist group 409 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: of coaches, and I respect the coaching profession too much 410 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 1: to step on their toes. But like, you know, I'm 411 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 1: going to go talk to our quarterback coach and Frank 412 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: about the cover zero plan or or cadence or you know, 413 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 1: how to just the little finer points. I know I 414 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: have value there. So Frank asked me to be on 415 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:47,959 Speaker 1: the sideline, right He said it would help me as 416 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 1: the head coach, Andrew if I knew you were there, 417 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 1: And so I said yes, and then said, well, if 418 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to be on the sideline, I better bring 419 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 1: all of myself and that is all myself, Like that's 420 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 1: the way, That's the only way I know how to 421 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 1: be on a sideline. I mean, I think the guys 422 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: laugh because I say the same two things. The whole game. 423 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 1: I just yell at you know, one play at a time, 424 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: the engaging processed, one play at a time. And and 425 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: and you know what, I don't know if I'm there forever, 426 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: I don't know how I you know, but but it's 427 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 1: this team this year. That's what our head coach wanted. 428 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: And I'm and I want to provide for our head coach. 429 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: That's you know, providing for our players, providing for our coaches, 430 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 1: and being a resource for our head coach. If that's 431 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: going to help us win games, I'm there. 432 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 2: You know, I absolutely love it. We got a couple 433 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 2: more minutes with you here. This is a quick one. 434 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 2: Is the Versa climber still in the weight room? 435 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: No? 436 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 2: And I'm not so come on the torture rack. 437 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:47,959 Speaker 1: Oh, I've got I've got scar. I've got psychological scars 438 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: from the versa climber. 439 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 2: I can remember being in there. I was coaching earlier, 440 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 2: I think at that time, and the street coach's office 441 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 2: and you look out and you saw, like, I think 442 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 2: that man is going to die. He is on the 443 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 2: versus climber and there's somebody's gonna literally drop dead. In 444 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 2: this weight room right now. That thing was a torture rack. 445 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,360 Speaker 1: It was. We still have the I love a Dungeon 446 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: weight room too. I love an underground weight room. We 447 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: still got it. The guys go down to the pressure cooker. 448 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: Our strength coach Ryan Dietrich is amazing. And uh, you 449 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: know what I'm going right down for the verse of 450 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:18,199 Speaker 1: Cliver question after this. 451 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, let's bring that thing back. 452 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: Man. 453 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,719 Speaker 2: Uh, the last thing We'll let you run. You've been 454 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 2: so generous with your time. You mentioned and I and 455 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 2: I wrote it down. I'm looking forward to it to 456 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 2: reading Sailing Upward up Wind. I have not read that book. 457 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 2: But is there any other book you would recommend to us? 458 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 2: And and those are listening if you're if you want 459 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 2: to build an organization or build a culture, give us 460 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 2: a good book that that we can dive into. 461 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: Oh man, look, I need help on this too. I 462 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: like this is this is part of what I've reached 463 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: out to the folks I know, like like Lynch and 464 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: Chris ballor and I had a chance to go to 465 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: Brad Stevens. You know, I'm I'm trying to embody being 466 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: the best of getting better. Right. If I expect that 467 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 1: from our players. So good book organizationally, Oh you know 468 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: this this is this half answers the question. There there's 469 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 1: an old school book. I'm gonna have to text it 470 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,360 Speaker 1: to you guys after. I think it's called The Winning Way. 471 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: It's it's a book written in the eighties or seventies 472 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: about and there's a chapter on each of the sort 473 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: of wooden lombardies, some of these old school coaches and 474 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: their philosophers. And look, it's you know, it would need 475 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 1: to rewrite in today's day and age. I guess it's 476 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: always say right, but but and so you have to 477 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: read it knowing this was written in a different era, 478 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 1: you know, But there are some real nuggets of how 479 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: you know when you know, college sports has changed so much, 480 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: but head coaches, you you know, forever and ever it 481 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: was the head coach's program. But it's like there are 482 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: some real nuggets of truth and and and style and 483 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: substance that that I that I that I love from 484 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: that book. I'll text it to you, guys, but I 485 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 1: can to do this day all that jazz. 486 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,439 Speaker 2: Guys, you're the best man. Hey, we're rooting for you. 487 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 2: It's been fun to watch your journey and let's get 488 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 2: Stanford rocking and rolling again. 489 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: Let's go appreciate you'all, take care. Thanks for having me 490 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: on fun time. 491 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 2: All right, Buck, that was fun. I mean, I you know, 492 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 2: in some ways very thankful. We got twenty five minutes 493 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 2: and Andrew Luck, but I could done another hour there. 494 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 2: He's a fascinating guy. 495 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: Man. 496 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's so fascinating and DJ like it's not only 497 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 3: like him, but I just remember because I feel like 498 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 3: we watched Stanford rise to prominence while we were scouts, and. 499 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 2: So people don't understand how unthinkable that was. Well, they 500 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 2: were the doormat of college football. 501 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 3: They were the dormatic college football, and all of a 502 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 3: sudden they became the bullies in the Pac ten. And 503 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 3: just watching them do it and having a premier quarterback 504 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 3: like that who embraced the physicality and toughness and old 505 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 3: school demeanor that they played with Toy, I'm fascinated. But 506 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 3: I do believe he can take the lesson that he 507 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 3: learned as a player and applied them down the road. 508 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 3: I just can't wait to see when they hire a 509 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 3: permanent coach and he kind of gets settled in his role, 510 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 3: to see what that looks like, because I do believe 511 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 3: it can return. 512 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: I'm just excited to see what kind of iteration it becomes. 513 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. I was doing some research for that 514 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 2: thing and looking at it. The last six season. Stanford, 515 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 2: you know, coming into this year, had won twenty games 516 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 2: at one point time in the previous sixth In the 517 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 2: previous sixth seasons they wont one hundred and two, so 518 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 2: that like they had an unbelievable run, and then it's 519 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 2: come kind of crashing down and he's trying to build 520 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 2: it back up in a new era with nil and 521 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 2: everything else. And you know, the question is can you 522 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,199 Speaker 2: have it all? Can you have the academics and the athletics. 523 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 2: Are there enough kids that want to pursue that that 524 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 2: you can have a championship level roster. I think he 525 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 2: wholeheartedly believes it and he's out to try and get 526 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 2: it done. And the other thing you know reading about 527 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,360 Speaker 2: him was he spent it. He's he's so smart. He realizes, yeah, 528 00:24:58,400 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 2: build the culture, you got to do all those things. 529 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 2: But the thing he's gotta do, he's got to go 530 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 2: raise money. And he's been out there hustling and doing 531 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 2: that with the alums. 532 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think he's uniquely qualified because one he 533 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,360 Speaker 3: knows that spot and we don't know if it'll become 534 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 3: a trend. But I think Andrew love being at Stanford, 535 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 3: Clark Lee, being at Vanderbilt. Some people being at these 536 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 3: prestigious academic institutions. Knowing the warts and the lay of 537 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,719 Speaker 3: the land and how to navigate around it to have 538 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 3: success is critical. And I do believe like because what 539 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 3: he talked about the brand it exists beyond what we 540 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,360 Speaker 3: talked about on the field. Being around all those Olympians 541 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 3: and being around all the business people that spend time there, 542 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 3: they have a nice offering. I just believe it's the 543 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 3: way that you package it, sell it, and the audience 544 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 3: that you direct that that message to that is really 545 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 3: what matters. 546 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 2: Sailing up wind. I had not read that one, So 547 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 2: I'm gonna I put the wrote that one down and 548 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 2: then we'll figure out, you know. I'm sure he'll text 549 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 2: Singer our booker and let us know what that book 550 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 2: was once he figured out what it was. But we 551 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 2: thought we had it, but maybe we didn't be on 552 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 2: the lookout for that. We'll post that on socials anything else, 553 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 2: Buck before we get out of here. 554 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: No, it was fantastic. Man. 555 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 3: I love talking to him to have his perspective now 556 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 3: in a new role. We know how great he was 557 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 3: as a quarterback, but now have to see him in 558 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 3: a new role and to take all those different experiences 559 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:18,679 Speaker 3: and to put it together. 560 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 2: Really excited for him, Yeah, no doubt. All right, that's 561 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 2: going to do it for us. We appreciate, appreciate you guys. 562 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 2: Hope you've enjoyed this episode. 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