1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: From the Bloomberg Interactor Berger Studios. This is Bloomberg day 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 1: Break for Monday May twenty second. Coming up today, round 3 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: three of debt talks. 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 2: President Biden and Speaker McCarthy meet again, with potential default 5 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 2: now just ten days away. 6 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: President Biden says relations which China will improve very shortly. 7 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 2: However, shares of Micron technology slide after China bans its chips. 8 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 3: I'm Amy Morris. New York City says the migrant wave 9 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 3: will cost the city billions of dollars, and the man 10 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 3: charged in the New York City subway chokehold depth says 11 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 3: it wasn't race related. 12 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 4: From John Stash, Aaron Swartz, Brooks Koepka won the PGA, 13 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 4: the Miami Heat won again, the Yankees won, and the 14 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 4: Mets won twice. 15 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 5: That's all straight ahead on Bloomberg day Break, The Business 16 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 5: news you need to starn your day in just one 17 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 5: fifteen minute podcast each morning on Apples, Spotify, the Bloomberg 18 00:00:54,280 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 5: Business app, and everywhere you get your podcasts. Good, good morning. 19 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 2: I'm Nathan Hager. 20 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 1: And I'm Karen Moscow. Here are the stories we're following today, Karen. 21 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 2: The US is now just ten days away from a 22 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 2: potential debt default, and talks are about to intensify in Washington. 23 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 2: Negotiators for both sides met last night at House Speaker 24 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 2: Kevin McCarthy's office. The speaker says he also had a 25 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 2: productive phone call with President Biden on his way back 26 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 2: from the G seven summit in Japan. 27 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 6: I walk through things that I'm looking at, and what 28 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 6: I'm looking. 29 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 7: At are where our differences are. 30 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 4: And how could we solve those And I felt that 31 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 4: part was a productive But look, there's no agreement. 32 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 8: We're still a part. 33 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 2: Speaker McCarthy says they're trying to find common ground on 34 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 2: a deal that can pass both chambers of Congress. Before 35 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 2: he left Japan, President Biden said he has proposed spending cuts. Now, 36 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 2: he says it's up to Republicans to budge on their position. 37 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 9: We gave a counter proposal to the counter again, and 38 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 9: I know this sounds ridiculous, but that's what we did, 39 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 9: and I'm waiting to hear the response to what we 40 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 9: are offered. We are willing to cut spending as well 41 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 9: as Ray's revenue so people start paying they're fair shared. 42 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 2: President Biden made the comments to Bloomberg. San Marie Hordern 43 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 2: at a news conference following the summit in Hiroshima. 44 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: Well Nathan, Janet Yellen is once again stressing the importance 45 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: of reaching a debt ceiling agreement soon, and the Treasury 46 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: Secretary says time is running out. 47 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 10: It's hard to be absolutely certain about this, but my 48 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 10: assessment is that the odds of reaching June fifteenth while 49 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 10: being able to pay all of our bills is quite low. 50 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: And Janet Yellen made the comments on NBC's Meet the Press, 51 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: Catch the program every Sunday on Bloomberg Radio. 52 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 2: Well, Karen, The debt ceiling wasn't the only topic President 53 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 2: Biden discussed at the G seven. Geopolitics are also front 54 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 2: and center. The President recommitted the Group of Seven nations 55 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 2: support for Ukraine. 56 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 9: The G seven reaffirmed are shared and unwavering. Let me 57 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 9: say it again, our share and on wavery commitment to 58 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 9: stand with the brave people of Ukraine as they defend 59 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 9: themselves against Russia's brutal war of aggression and the war 60 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 9: crimes being committed. 61 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: The President also addressed relations between the US and China, 62 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 1: saying he expects them to improve shortly. 63 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 9: We're not looking to decouple from China. We're looking to 64 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 9: de risk and diversify our relationship with China. That means 65 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 9: taking steps to diversify our supply chains, and we're not 66 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 9: so we're not dependent on any one country for necessary product. 67 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 11: It is you. 68 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: President Biden says, relations which China deteriorated sharply after the 69 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: spy balloon incident. 70 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 2: Well, well, the President looks to improve relations with China. Karen. 71 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 2: That country is banning computer chips from a top US company, 72 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 2: and we get the details on that story from Bloomberg's 73 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 2: John Tucker. 74 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 11: John Nathan, there's no cooling of tensions on this front. 75 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 11: China is barring semiconductors made by Micron Technology. It's the 76 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 11: latest defensive in China's hip war with the United States. 77 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 11: Jing said it found relatively serious cybersecurity risks in Micron 78 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 11: products sold in the country. Experts say its retaliation for 79 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 11: US export controls on semiconductors. The tech sector has become 80 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 11: a key battlefield over national security between the two largest economies, 81 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 11: Washington having already blacklisted Chinese tech firms, cutting off the 82 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 11: flow of sophisticated processors, and banning US citizens from providing 83 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 11: certain help to the Chinese chip industry. The US Commerce 84 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 11: Department said Beijing's conclusion had no basis. In fact, shares 85 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 11: of Micron were down close to six percent in the 86 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 11: pre market in New York Income John Tucker, Bloomberg. 87 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: Daybreak, All right, John, Thanks Well, Another big US tech 88 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 1: company is also feeling the heat. This morning, Facebook owner 89 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: Meta Platforms has been fined a record one point three 90 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: billion dollars by European Union privacy regulators. Regulators see Meta 91 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: failed to protect personal information from the eyes of americansecurity services. 92 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 2: Turning to the economy now care and there are more 93 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 2: signs the Federal Reserve may hold off on raising interest 94 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 2: rates now Jones is reporting Minneapolis Fed President Neil Kashkari 95 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 2: could support holding rates at current levels at the next 96 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 2: meeting in June. Kashkari reportedly says such a decision would 97 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 2: be made to give Fed officials more time to assess 98 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 2: the effects of passtrate hikes and the inflation outlook. 99 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 1: Well. Turning to politics in Europe, now Nathan Greek Prime 100 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: Minister Carriakos Misutakis appears sent for a new term. His 101 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: center right party received the most votes in this weekend's election, 102 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: roughly forty one percent, though that falls short of enough 103 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: to form his own government. Misutakis will likely offer another ballot. 104 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: In a month, Greek stocks served on the news, rising 105 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: more than six percent in Athens. 106 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 2: Finally, Karen Let's shift gears and talk Space Exploration. SpaceX 107 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 2: is flying four private astronauts to the International Space Station. 108 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 2: In Bloomberg's Ed Baxter as the story. 109 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 12: The Axiom funded company crew sitting atop a Falcon nine rocket. 110 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 3: One it just full power. 111 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 2: He lift the Falcon nine go Actim. 112 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 12: And the crew makes history for astronauts, including a man 113 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 12: and for the first time a woman from Saudi Arabia. 114 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 6: Earth Orbit at Astra and Godspeed AX two. 115 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 12: Dock with the iss today as Actum wants to build 116 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 12: its own. At some point, the Falcon nine rocket came 117 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 12: back and successfully landed in San Francisco. I'm at Baxter 118 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 12: Bloomberg Daybreak. 119 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 2: Local headlines in a check of sports. Next, this is 120 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 2: Bloomberg time now to take a look at some of 121 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:30,799 Speaker 2: the other stories making news in New York and around 122 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 2: the world. For that what you're joined by Bloomberg Zamy Morris, 123 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 2: Good morning, Amy, Good. 124 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 3: Morning, Nathan. New York Mayor Eric Adams says the city 125 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 3: is projected to spend more than four billion dollars on 126 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 3: asylum seekers. He says more than seventy thousand migrants have 127 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 3: come to New York City in recent months, and forty 128 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 3: two thousand are still being cared for by the city. 129 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 3: Speaking on CBS's Face the Nation, Mayor Adams blamed partisan politics. 130 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 4: Republicans for far too many years have failed to deal 131 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 4: with real immigration reform. 132 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 13: This is a national issue. 133 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,799 Speaker 3: Mayor Adams also criticized the federal government, saying they're only 134 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 3: providing thirty million dollars for a four billion dollar problem. 135 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 3: This as more migrants arrived amid a state of emergency 136 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 3: in Duchess County after about eighty people were busted in 137 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 3: from New York City yesterday afternoon. They were put up 138 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 3: at a hotel in Poughkeepsie. New York City is paying 139 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 3: for those room rentals, along with one meal a day 140 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 3: for at least four months. The man charged in the 141 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 3: New York City subway choke hold death of Jordan Neely 142 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 3: is addressing criticism that it was racially motivated. Daniel Penny 143 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 3: is charged with manslaughter. The marine veteran told The New 144 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,679 Speaker 3: York Post it had nothing to do with Neely's race. 145 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 3: Penny also said he believes footage showing what led up 146 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 3: to the incident will prove that he was in the right. 147 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 3: Paul Whalen is a former marine who still is imprisoned 148 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 3: in Russia. He says he is confident that the US 149 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 3: is working to secure his release. Still, he tells CNN 150 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 3: that it is depressing to see others who are imprisoned 151 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 3: traded for their release while he can continues to wait. 152 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 12: I feel that my. 153 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 8: Life shouldn't be considered less valuable or important than others 154 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 8: who have been previously traded. And I think there are 155 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 8: people in DC that feel the same way, and they're 156 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 8: moving towards a compromise and resolution to this. 157 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,679 Speaker 3: Whalen was sentenced to a sixteen year term in twenty 158 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 3: twenty on spying charges that he denies. He's been detained 159 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 3: since twenty eighteen. Connecticut has changed its highway exit numbers, 160 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 3: and this was mandated by the Federal Highway Administration with 161 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 3: the aim of standardizing the exit numbering system across the country. 162 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 3: The system is tied to the state Department of Transportation's 163 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 3: mile marker system, with exit numbers reflecting the mile at 164 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 3: which an exit is located. DOT spokesman Josh Morgan tells 165 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 3: the Hartford Current that the switch will cost into the 166 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,319 Speaker 3: tens of millions of dollars. Global News twenty four hours 167 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 3: a day, powered by more than twenty seven hundred journalists 168 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 3: and analysts in more than one hundred twenty countries. I'm 169 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 3: Amy Morris, and this is Bloomberg. 170 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 2: Nathan, Thank you, Amy. Time now for a Bloomberg Sports update. 171 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 2: For that, we bring in John stan Shauer. 172 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 4: All right, Nathan Brooks Kaopka is back. He won four 173 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 4: majors in a three year period, but hadn't won one 174 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 4: in four years. At Okill in Rochester, kep could play 175 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 4: the last three rounds to eleven under par. He won 176 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 4: the PGA Championship by two over Victor Hovlin and Scotti Scheffley. 177 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 4: But the story that captured everyone was Michael Block, the 178 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 4: forty six year old public course pro from California who 179 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 4: capped an amazing week on his sixty ninth holes. Takes 180 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 4: off on an incredible line tracking ride out of It's 181 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 4: the right distance, Holy gow, oh my gosh. It flew 182 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 4: right into the center of the hole for a hold 183 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 4: one for Michael Block. 184 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 6: A dream week for Michael, Block continues, He's. 185 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 12: Just now finding out. 186 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 2: He hold it on the fly. 187 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 4: Joy McElroy had to tell him it went in. It 188 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 4: was earlier on Bloomberg Radio. Blocks fifteenth place finished the 189 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 4: best buy a club pro at the PGA in thirty 190 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 4: seven years. Something happens that's never happened before. The NBA 191 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,319 Speaker 4: Finals will be Miami against Denver. Both have three nothing leads. 192 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 4: No team has ever blown such a lead. Miami cruised 193 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 4: to a Game three victory over the Celtics one twenty eight, 194 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 4: one oh two. Denver and the Lakers have their Game 195 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 4: four tonight in La on the ice. Another overtime game 196 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,959 Speaker 4: all four on the conference final of going OT that's unprecedented. 197 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 4: Vegas scored Layton regulation and then again a minute twelve 198 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 4: into OT beat Dallas and leads the series to nothing. 199 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 4: The Mets started their co aces and both ends of 200 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 4: a city field doubleheader, and Max Sherzer and Justin Verlander 201 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 4: were both dominant. Mets swept Cleveland five to four, then 202 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 4: two to one. They've won five in a row, all 203 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 4: five by one run. Yankees finished the sweep with the 204 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 4: other Ohio team winning four to one at Cincinnati. Luis 205 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 4: Severino was sharp and his season debut. John Stashedward Bloomberg Sports. 206 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 13: Live from coast to coast, from New York to San Francisco, 207 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 13: Boston to Washington, d C. Nationwide on Sirius XAM, The 208 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 13: Bloomberg Business Happened Bomberg dot Com. This is Bloomberg Daybreak. 209 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 13: Good morning. I'm Nathan Hager. 210 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 2: We're looking at a market on tenter hooks this morning, 211 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 2: ahead of round three of debt ceiling talks between President 212 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 2: Biden and House Speaker Kevin McCarthy. Potential government default, according 213 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 2: to Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen, is now just ten days away. 214 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 2: How could this market react as we get closer to that? 215 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,439 Speaker 2: X State. Let's bring in Dennis Gartman for some analysis. 216 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 13: Now. 217 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 2: Dennis's chairman of the University of Akron and Domin Investment Committee, 218 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 2: former publisher of the Gartment Letter. Dennis, Good morning, Futures 219 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 2: trading flat right now? Do you think that stays the 220 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 2: case though as we get closer to June first? 221 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 7: I think it stays the case until we get closer 222 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 7: to June first. I think that Miss Yellen made it 223 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 7: abundantly clear that June first is really a very serious 224 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 7: date for her. We'll see if that holds. There's no 225 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 7: question that they'll reach an agreement. I mean, this is 226 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 7: not going to go into default. We can't do that. 227 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 7: It would just be patently absurd. If the United States 228 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:04,439 Speaker 7: government to default on its stead, it would send it 229 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 7: would be chaotic, without question, and that really can't happen. 230 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 7: It really won't happen. They'll at the eleventh hour, fifty 231 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 7: ninth a minute, tenth, fifty ninth second, they'll reach some 232 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 7: sort of an agreement. Who knows what sort of what 233 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 7: sort of agreement they will reach, but they'll reach one. 234 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 7: But right now, the markets are taking a deep breath and, 235 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 7: for lack of a better term, sort of relaxing for 236 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 7: the next several days. We'll just see what happens with 237 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 7: the talks between the Speaker of the House and the 238 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 7: President as the week progresses. But right now, everybody, I 239 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 7: like your term, everybody's on tenter hooks waiting to see 240 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 7: what happens. Right the only trades I have on I'm 241 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 7: sure I'm a long with a very little amount of gold, 242 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 7: and I'm long a lot of two years. The thing 243 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 7: that I find most interesting is the largest short position 244 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 7: I've seen in the bond market by the speculators as 245 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 7: opposed to the largest long position I've seen in since 246 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 7: twenty eighteen on the part of hedges, and hedgers are 247 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 7: almost always the winners and instance, so if you had 248 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 7: to put money on the table, if you had to 249 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 7: take a bet on the government bond market doing a 250 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 7: good deal better over the course the next several weeks 251 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 7: or months. But other than that, I really have very 252 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 7: little to talk about. 253 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 2: Are you long gold and two years because of the 254 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 2: possibility that we do get that agreement at the very 255 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 2: very last second, or are there other factors at play 256 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 2: that have you looking at policy sensitive treasuries and inflation hedges. 257 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 7: You hit it right on the head. That's exactly the 258 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 7: reason why I'm doing it that way. I think that 259 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 7: if an agreement is reached, I'll have to come out 260 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 7: of some of my bond positions and end up being 261 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 7: along with the stock market again for the first time 262 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:41,719 Speaker 7: in a while, which seems to be breaking out to 263 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,839 Speaker 7: the upside. But I'm very leery about following it right now. 264 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 7: So to me to say this place is to be 265 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 7: long of the bond market, long of the gold market, 266 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 7: which seemed to be two positions that are contrary one 267 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 7: to the other. But I think it's the ultimate hedge position, 268 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,839 Speaker 7: and I'm really comfortable being in there holding that trade 269 00:13:57,840 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 7: at this point. 270 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 2: Interesting that you say that you're thinking about going along 271 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 2: the stock market again. We've talked for literally more than 272 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 2: a year now about you feel like this is a 273 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 2: bear market? Do you think we could be heading into 274 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 2: a new bowl market off the back of a deal 275 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 2: in Washington? 276 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 7: What bothers me? I have been bearished no question about 277 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 7: that for the past several years, actually, and as the 278 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 7: chairman of the University of Acron's endowment, I got us 279 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 7: to move out of our eight percent of our position 280 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 7: on January fifth of twenty twenty, which was a timely 281 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 7: exit for an endowment. But right now the market, contrary 282 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 7: to what I would like to think, the market seems 283 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 7: to be breaking out to the upside. And I've learned 284 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 7: over the course of forty five years of being in 285 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 7: the markets that when the market wants to break out, 286 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 7: standing in this way is usually an ill advised decision. 287 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 7: So if I turn bullish, it'll be modestly, so the 288 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 7: opperative word here being modestly. I won't be aggressive in 289 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 7: that position. But it does seem like it doesn't want 290 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 7: to go down, It does wants to go higher. It 291 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 7: does seem like it's breaking out to the upside. Seems 292 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 7: to add anesthetical to what's going on in the government, 293 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 7: what's going on in the economy, what's going on with 294 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 7: the recession that I think we're already in. But nonetheless, 295 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 7: the market seems to want to go higher and fading. 296 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 7: It has been an ill advised in a very difficult 297 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 7: position to have held for a while. 298 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 2: Do you think that a stock market rally can continue 299 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 2: if the Fed keeps up with higher for longer interest rates? 300 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 2: Do you think this market is right to price in 301 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 2: rate cuts later on? This year, we got about a 302 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 2: minute left in US. 303 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 7: I think the market is ill advised to think that 304 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 7: the Set is going to be cutting interest rates anytime soon. 305 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 7: I think they made it abundantly clear that the best 306 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 7: the best you're going to get for the next year 307 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 7: is the FED funds rate going sideways. Maybe maybe we 308 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 7: get another twenty five basis point increase at the one 309 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 7: of the summer meetings, But the Fed Fund of Futures 310 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 7: has seemed to have priced in a cut in the 311 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 7: overnight Fed funds rate, and that's simply not going to 312 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 7: happen until at least in the twenty twenty four, sometime 313 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 7: quite late in twenty twenty four, as far as I'm concerned. 314 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 7: So that's that's I've had that opinion for a while. 315 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 7: Markets can go up, stock markets can go up with 316 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 7: rising rates, stock markets can go up with falling rates. 317 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 7: Stock markets can go up on their own accord. And 318 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 7: right now the market seems to be breaking out to 319 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 7: the upside. Like I said, I've faded it for a while. 320 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 7: It seems to have been an ill advised decision, not 321 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 7: terribly ill advised, but ill advised, and following it on 322 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 7: the upside, it seems to be the proper course of action. 323 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 7: So we we shall see if we if we start 324 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 7: to take the s and p up about forty two 325 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 7: hundred got to be, it'll be breaking out to the upside. 326 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 6: This is Bloomberg day Break Today, your morning brief on 327 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 6: the stories making news from Wall Street to Washington and beyond. 328 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: Look for us on your podcast feed at six am 329 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: Eastern each morning, on Apple, Spotify, and anywhere else you 330 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: get your podcasts. 331 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 6: You can also listen live each morning starting at five 332 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 6: am Wall Street Time on Bloomberg eleven three to zero 333 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 6: in New York, Bloomberg ninety nine to one in Washington, 334 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 6: Bloomberg one oh six' one in Boston, and Bloomberg nine 335 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 6: stay in San Francisco. 336 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: Our flagship New York station is also available on your 337 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: Amazon Alexa devices. 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