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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season one, thirty seven,

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Speaker 1: Episode four of Dailies Like Guys, the production of I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. This is a podcast where we take a

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Speaker 1: deep dive into America's share consciousness and say, officially, off

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Speaker 1: the top, fuck the Koch Brothers, Fuck Fox News, fuck

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Speaker 1: Rush Limbaugh, fuck Buck Sexton, Ben Shapiro, Charlie Kirk all

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Speaker 1: funk all those guys. Um. It's Thursday, June eleven. My

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Speaker 1: name is Jack O'Brien a k A A cap sappy uh,

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Speaker 1: and I am thrilled to be joined as always by

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Speaker 1: my co host, Mr Miles Gras. That's the fund The

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Speaker 1: police give the funds to other things. Okay, shout out

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Speaker 1: to Sir Journer at Whoaman eight for pointing me to

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Speaker 1: a someone who wasn't even writing a daily sie guys

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Speaker 1: a k A. This was from at Is He ought

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Speaker 1: to for that one, replying to actually Cody, it's it's all,

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Speaker 1: We're all, it's all. I heard, it's all. It's all

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Speaker 1: in the building. At the same time, Yes, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for that, because I think we have to

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Speaker 1: talk a little bit about what some people aren't understanding,

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Speaker 1: what what is being meant by deep funds as the

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Speaker 1: police or what the aim is. And I think we're

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Speaker 1: gonna keep talking about that as the days go on

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Speaker 1: and this uh fit continues. My a K was courtesy

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Speaker 1: of Phase Forward, but he just did a cab rocky.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I'm cool enough to be a cab rocky,

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Speaker 1: so I changed to a cap STOPPI to represent how

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Speaker 1: sweaty I am. Okay, we are. We are thrilled uh

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Speaker 1: to be joined in our third seat by the brilliant,

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Speaker 1: the talented bridget Ah. Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: I am so excited to be here. Yes, last time

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Speaker 1: we saw you was like one of the last times

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Speaker 1: we were able to move freely, take airplanes, record in

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Speaker 1: face to face. We were all in DC together. I

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Speaker 1: still have such fond memories of that time. Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: was a that was a fun moment. Um you guys

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Speaker 1: had your hotel room tripped out. I never I had

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Speaker 1: never seen a sort of mobile podcasting set up quite

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Speaker 1: as as robust is the ones that y'all had, So

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Speaker 1: I was really really impressed. It was a good time.

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Speaker 1: It was a good time. Hows how's the weather in

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Speaker 1: d C? Hot as balls um, I would describe it

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Speaker 1: as it feels like you're in someone's mouth. I walked

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Speaker 1: change my outfit from head to toe because I was

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Speaker 1: bathed in sweat. See I do that in Japan too,

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Speaker 1: because Tokyo in the summer, it's the humidity is absolutely wicked,

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Speaker 1: would I come up so sweaty. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: that's the same. You have similar tactics, but um, I

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Speaker 1: actually the owl over the shoulder thing is a look

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Speaker 1: the summer once I was fourteen. It was like on

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Speaker 1: monument I remember like I don't remember Ford's Theater. I

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Speaker 1: your mom sounds awesome. Yeah, she's a gangster Bridget. Did

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Speaker 1: you have an eighth grade class trip? I did, um so.

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Speaker 1: But the big big school trip that like was dangled

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Speaker 1: lexing in Kentucky Public schools. We went to Chicago for

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Speaker 1: Medieval Times? Those were the two educational experience. What was

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Speaker 1: the value assigned to the rock and roll McDonald's. It

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Speaker 1: Most people don't know he is a quiz Nos franchise e.

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Speaker 1: My friend loves a quiz Nos franchise Uh. During the

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Speaker 1: I hate to see it, all right, bridget Let's just

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Speaker 1: get right into what we like to ask our guest,

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Speaker 1: and then you know, there's there's plenty we're gonna get

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Speaker 1: just fade out and you'll start hearing an ad We

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Speaker 1: hope that's okay. But first we like to task our guests.

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Speaker 1: What is something from your search history that's revealing about

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Speaker 1: who you are? Dozens and dozens of Google image searches

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Speaker 1: of their own and that got them to come out

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Speaker 1: and then take their foot off the gas. I don't

430
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Speaker 1: know how you could how someone would tell you like

431
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,399
Speaker 1: I thought you were so you understood right what happened. Now,

432
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 1: how come you won't actually like just sign this petition,

433
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Speaker 1: Like why don't you just vote for this person? Like

434
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 1: why are you voting for this person? You just said

435
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Speaker 1: that you understood what the stakes were. And I think

436
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 1: that's the next phase of this whole thing, is that

437
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 1: we need to leave politics behind and start moving towards purpose,

438
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,639
Speaker 1: because that's the problem. We got all these fucking we

439
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 1: got all these words and phrases and ship that are

440
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Speaker 1: cutting up the pie that we don't actually see it

441
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Speaker 1: for what it is. We need purpose now, because man,

442
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 1: we'll get to it. But the League of Nubian Justice

443
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 1: is not gonna save us in Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer.

444
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Speaker 1: I don't care how many kent a clouds stoles they

445
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Speaker 1: got on, that's not I still look at those people

446
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: as people who dropped the ball on bills that actually

447
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 1: could have done things that were substantive. Now, if we're

448
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 1: willing to move forward now and people can say, hey,

449
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 1: I'm willing to go full throttle on this, like like

450
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,239
Speaker 1: really getting stuff done, but like don't kneel with your

451
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 1: can take class on It's like, y'all are the people

452
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 1: who make the laws right Like So now, now, like

453
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,199
Speaker 1: I know this is the the next phase of this

454
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 1: is really going to have to be going beyond politics

455
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 1: and going towards purpose, because if we keep going along,

456
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 1: politics will continue to do these lukewarm reforms and not

457
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Speaker 1: move towards the purpose of what all these demonstrations are.

458
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Speaker 1: And I think that's what people I want people to

459
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Speaker 1: really realize. We have to start looking at purpose, the

460
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 1: purpose of these things, the purpose of these bills, the

461
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Speaker 1: purpose of voting people in the office, not because of

462
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Speaker 1: the color or the letter in in parentheses next to

463
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 1: their name when when they run a chiron on MSNBC

464
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: or CNN or whatever. It's about the purpose now, and

465
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 1: when this is the problem that a lot of people

466
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Speaker 1: are gonna run into. You've now out loud said you

467
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 1: intellectually understand what the purposes. So if you now go

468
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: against that for something else, you're going to look so disingenuous. Um,

469
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 1: and that will be the understanding. So in a lot

470
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Speaker 1: of ways, some people may have crossed the rubicon they

471
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Speaker 1: weren't ready to cross. Yeah, you know, but and I

472
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Speaker 1: love it. I love it because I think that's what

473
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Speaker 1: we need, is we need purpose. Now this will become

474
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Speaker 1: I think, less of a focus in the media, and

475
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Speaker 1: it might even become the unpopular in the media. Just lately,

476
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Speaker 1: you guys were talking about the Montgomery bus boycotts like that.

477
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Speaker 1: That is something that now we look back on as

478
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Speaker 1: you know, a montage in a movie. But that was

479
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Speaker 1: long and it was became unpopular. Martin Luther King Jr.

480
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Speaker 1: Was unpopular when he was murdered. It's something like we

481
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Speaker 1: talked last week that I think some people assumed that

482
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Speaker 1: the status quo is justice, or had that assumption, or

483
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Speaker 1: at least I had that like tacit assumption in the

484
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Speaker 1: back of my mind, and I think we need to

485
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Speaker 1: understand that the status quo is oppression and racism and

486
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Speaker 1: white supremacy. Yeah, these fantasy characters from our history or villains,

487
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Speaker 1: And I think that's something. It's that moment where like

488
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Speaker 1: teens recognize like their parents suck. I think a lot

489
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,360
Speaker 1: of white people are realizing that about their system of government,

490
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Speaker 1: and like what like a lot of people are like whoa,

491
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Speaker 1: what the fun? Oh you got whoa? This is bullshit

492
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Speaker 1: this is But some people, I think will retreat to

493
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: the comfort of their distractions because this is heavy, This

494
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 1: is heavy lifting. This is heavy heavy lifting to like

495
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Speaker 1: to really engage in this. So I commend anybody who's

496
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Speaker 1: doing the work, like actually doing the work, you know,

497
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 1: because it's not easy. Yeah, this is the first time

498
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Speaker 1: that I felt like America might be up to it,

499
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Speaker 1: like the kind of movement, the attention, the changing some

500
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Speaker 1: of the changing attitudes. But there's a whole long history

501
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Speaker 1: of America not being up to confronting white supremacy and

502
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Speaker 1: so there there's just a lot of long, uh and

503
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Speaker 1: sustained working And I think the other thing, especially liberals

504
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: do is that they will diagnose the problem but not

505
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:25,199
Speaker 1: treat it. And and they and we pat ourselves on

506
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Speaker 1: the back. I would too when I would maybe probably

507
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Speaker 1: identify more as like a big D Democrat ten years

508
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Speaker 1: ago of just being like, well they died, I mean

509
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Speaker 1: they called it out. I mean that's a lot because

510
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Speaker 1: before I don't said anything. At least they called it out,

511
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what the in my mind? And that's

512
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Speaker 1: the thing that I think different now is we're not

513
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Speaker 1: We're just we're not willing to settle for the diagnosis anymore.

514
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: It's time for the treatment. I think that's so right. Um,

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Speaker 1: And I look at it, it turns like like I

516
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys saw the two different camps

517
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Speaker 1: that can Matt on social media. One was eight can't wait,

518
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: Like these are these eight steps that police departments can

519
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,239
Speaker 1: take right now to de military as our police. And

520
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: then and so I'm not like shitting on that at all,

521
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 1: Like I'm happy that people are thinking about solutions and goals.

522
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: But then someone was like, hey, like like why are

523
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 1: we thinking so small? Right? Like, like why is one

524
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: of these eight things you know, banning the chokehold? Chokeholds

525
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 1: are already bands, Like why is it like restating you know,

526
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: what should be the bare minimum? And so someone else

527
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 1: was like released a new thing like eight to abolish,

528
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Speaker 1: like like what like this is not the moment for

529
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Speaker 1: And again I want to be very clear, I am

530
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Speaker 1: not I am not shitting on anybody who's coming coming

531
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Speaker 1: to the table with solutions at all. But I believe

532
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 1: this is not the time to be playing small exactly, exactly, exactly, um.

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Speaker 1: And I think, if you know, one of the things

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Speaker 1: I prepared for today was my myth I'm gonna I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna change my myth and say, I'm is that electoral

536
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Speaker 1: organizing an electoral work is the only way, is the

537
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 1: only thing there is, And that is a myth. It's

538
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: not true. And I think that like thoroughly over the

539
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 1: last two weeks exactly. It's like like all of the

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Speaker 1: changes that we have that we have made in the

541
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: last few weeks, none of like so few of those

542
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: were attached to an elected official or like electoral power.

543
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: I believe in electoral power. I would I would never

544
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: say don't go out and vote, it's not worth it whatever,

545
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: never ever, ever, you will never you will never hear

546
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: me say that, but we need to think beyond where

547
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: what is possible? And think beyond you know, the everyday

548
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: thinking about where power lies. Of course you should vote,

549
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: but you should also be aware of your own people power.

550
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: You should also be aware of what happens when you

551
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: collectively and strategically fight for liberation and like, what is possible?

552
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: Like I think that we I'm really talking to myself here.

553
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: I spent so long being the version of myself Miles

554
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: that you just did the impression of Like, well, at

555
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: least they called it out at say whatever, and like

556
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: why was I willing to accept such such meaningless small

557
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: potatoes in this work? Like why like why would that

558
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: have satisfied? Because that was our form of bowing to

559
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: the altar of white supremacy in that we were we've

560
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: been told that's the best we can get, so take

561
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: it or leave it. And we've been raised, We've been

562
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: raised with an attitude and outlook from art from generations

563
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: of black Americans struggling for liberation that that's just how

564
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Speaker 1: it is. That's just how I mean, that's just how

565
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Speaker 1: it is. We all know, but that's just how it is.

566
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Speaker 1: And we're coming out of that. That's just how it

567
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: we're starting. It feels like we're getting into the nah

568
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: fuck that phase, um, because we've you know, we've been

569
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Speaker 1: just saying that's just how it is, like the news

570
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: coverage be like and yes, just proportionately, like African Americans

571
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: are put in jail at a higher rate. Uh okay, now,

572
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: well back to you, Fred, And what's going on with

573
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Speaker 1: the Bank of California losing the naming rights to the

574
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Speaker 1: stadium for l A f C. It's like, no, no, no, no,

575
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Speaker 1: no, no no, no, wait, we're past that. We're because it's

576
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: now it's absurd, and I think now we're not willing

577
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: to bow to its supremacy and say thank you so much,

578
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: thank you so much for the optics, thank you for

579
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: this ceremonial thing that felt like a show of solidarity.

580
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Speaker 1: We are I think we are. So we're like in

581
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Speaker 1: a justice famine right where we were. We need that

582
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: and we have not tasted and now nothing will do

583
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: except for justice. So you want to give me reforms,

584
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Speaker 1: You're just you're delaying the end of this white supremacist

585
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Speaker 1: system of oppression. That's all you're doing. You are delaying

586
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: the end of it. That's all incremental solutions are if

587
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: we have if we're brave enough. Now we're all saying,

588
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: we're all calling it what it is. We all see

589
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: the violence of the police, and that we seriously have

590
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: to rethink what law enforcement looks like in this country

591
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: where it seems like a lot of people now are

592
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: willing to connect emotionally and intellectually that black people are

593
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: just murdered for sport. If we're all willing to say that,

594
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: how dare you say that we just need incremental change?

595
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: You just accepted that this is unacceptable, So then how

596
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: could we How could we take another minute of the

597
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: same thing. It makes no sense, It really makes no sense.

598
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: And I think that's the difference now, I think is

599
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: we're the urgency is really here, and now we're I

600
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: think a lot of people are able to articulate and

601
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: call out and you know, properly synthesize all these things

602
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: that are out there and translated into like, oh no,

603
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: this is These reforms have been a tool to just

604
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: prolong the inevitable, which is equality. Fuck yeah, you're taking

605
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: me to church right now. I had to go to

606
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: the mountain, y'all. I had to go. I have I

607
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: have to be able to contribute man, and I can't.

608
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: I feel it's I'm telling I feel different. I feel different,

609
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: And but first I felt different in that I said,

610
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Speaker 1: I've never felt this fucking angry in my life. I've

611
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: never been willing to just knock on a neighbor's door

612
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: and be like, come, come catch me outside right now.

613
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: I got shipped to say, like, let me tell you, Yeah,

614
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: now is not the time to be trying black and

615
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: brown people give me have like fucking had it? Oh

616
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: we have? Oh I got I have time. I have

617
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: time now, I have all the time. But that's what

618
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: I realized. If I'm going to have the time, I

619
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: have to be able to do it efficiently. And that's

620
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: why I want to remind people is yes, the first

621
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: part is great, you've accepted that, like we are in

622
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: a state that must change. So the next phase is

623
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: really think about the solutions. Don't think about how to

624
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: make it better. You can't. Don't diagnose my illness and

625
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: then just treat the symptoms, treat the disease. Well, I

626
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: think we're all glad you're back. I think we're all

627
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: glad you took you took care of yourself, because I

628
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: think everybody needs, I think everybody. But yeah, and that's

629
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: why I feel good though, too, because it's like it

630
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: almost seems like the solutions are so clear and we

631
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: can actually articulate them, and enough like there's seems to

632
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: be reaching a tipping point of white allies that are

633
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: also on the same page now and we're all singing

634
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: from the same book because before it used to be well,

635
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: not like that, and you had Obama saying, you know,

636
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: calling protesters. It's like, no, no, see this. We're all like,

637
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: I think we're shedding this illusion now about what is

638
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: going on and if we're able, if we're sober enough

639
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: to see it, then we got to have the the

640
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: I guess, the bravery or just the moral backbone to say,

641
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: if we see the problem, then let's just solve the problem.

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Speaker 1: I hope that that's I hope that that's the moment

643
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Speaker 1: that we're in. I hope it's a sustained, focused response

644
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: to all of this. I really, I really hope it

645
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: feels like it is. I really hope it. And granted

646
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: we are in bubbles. What I do know is I

647
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: can I can speak for the people I spoke, I

648
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: speak to who have similar backgrounds being black bi racial

649
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: having some you know, some participation in blackness in this

650
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 1: country and like it awakening something and something very deep.

651
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 1: That was about like dedicating I don't know, like using

652
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: this energy to do something different, um, because I feel like,

653
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: you know, our parents spent generations trying to position us

654
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: and subsequent generations in places where we could have access

655
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: to things they did not, and I think maybe those

656
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: chickens are coming home to roost in the sense that

657
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,439
Speaker 1: we've had to operate in white spaces for for so long.

658
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: We've learned how to navigate white spaces and how that

659
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: power moves in those places, how to create allies even

660
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: just through working in these places. And now we're like,

661
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: I feel like we look at generationally, we kind of

662
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: we're seeing the matrix of it, and we're like, I

663
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: think we can actually we there might be a way

664
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Speaker 1: to do something. Yeah, I think I want to Like

665
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,760
Speaker 1: plus one that point that you just made about being

666
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 1: you know, black and brown folks in professional settings, because

667
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: I think that, like, as someone who has worked in media,

668
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: like I worked at the MSNBC, I probably have never

669
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: felt more aware of my blackness than working in a

670
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:36,720
Speaker 1: white media space. And you know, these days I'm self employed,

671
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: there's like no like I can say whatever the funk

672
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: I want, Like, there's you can't call anyone to get

673
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: me fired because I work for myself. But like seeing

674
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: you're right exactly, but like seeing my black peers at

675
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: the New York Times, at Bon Appetite, at all these

676
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: places saying like, no, we have been putting up with

677
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: straight up racism from people on this who probably think

678
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 1: of themselves as like nice white people for years, and

679
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: we're fucking done. You know, I don't think that people

680
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: understand the minutia of navigating white spaces as black and

681
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: brown people, Like the minutia of how you have to

682
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: like carry yourself and be aware of things and show

683
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: up in a specific way like and on top of that,

684
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: also do your job and do it really well so

685
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: that nobody says that you just got there because you're

686
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: a diniversity high or like I don't, like, you know,

687
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: Charles Blow on this Oprah special I watch was talking

688
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: about like like what would our collective work look like

689
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: as a people if we didn't have to navigate this

690
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 1: bullshit all the time, Like like how like how much

691
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: more could we have accomplished if we were using our

692
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: energy to navigate this racist system and doing it with

693
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,240
Speaker 1: a fucking smile because that's what was expected. Like it really,

694
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: it really does feel like a moment where it's like,

695
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: you see what we all fucking put up with all

696
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: the time. Yeah. That actually, uh ties into something you

697
00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: wrote about in today's doc Miles about Kaylie mac canany

698
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: kind of talking about how the president in addition to

699
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: her statements about you know, backing up the president's conspiracy theory,

700
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: that that I think conspiracy theory is like the wrong

701
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: language to use, just utter shameful smear. But he swore

702
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 1: on device, a fucking iPhone. He swore on Twitter though, Man,

703
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 1: I mean he says bad words. Yeah, exactly, it's nice. Try.

704
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 1: On yesterday's episode, we talked about how she was bragging

705
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: that he got eight percent of the black vote, and

706
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: on yesterday or on today's episode of I think it

707
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 1: was Fox and Friends, she was saying that he had asked,

708
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: you know the equivalent of the one black guy at

709
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: his company to lead a diversity council. Yeah. I mean, hey,

710
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 1: it's happening at every job right now. It's like okay,

711
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: oh man looked up. Hey, sorry, people, we were listening

712
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: to too or people who just weren't really willing to

713
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: say anything. Can y'all be in charge of suddenly now

714
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:09,439
Speaker 1: helping us, uh do the work of transforming company. Uh look,

715
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: commend the energy, but probably not the best way to

716
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: do that. Uh, but hey, this is what they got.

717
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: They got Tim Scott now the one black Republican senator

718
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: to work on these proactive policy prescriptions whatever that means.

719
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: I mean he in the past, he has tried to

720
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: attach bills that were about a police accountability that essentially

721
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: saying that like if police local police departments do not

722
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: record the incidents of like shootings um to the to

723
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: the Feds, that that would that would uh that would

724
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: basically restrict their ability to receive federal funding, so in

725
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: a way defunding the police. Uh if they weren't like

726
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: willing to account So I don't know if he's going

727
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: to propose some form of like just mainly like an

728
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: accountability bill that's just basically saying like, sorry, like we're

729
00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: gonna have to like docs all you terrible racist transgress serves.

730
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: Is like, I don't know if that's the thing that's

731
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: going to happen. But the rest of her segment kind

732
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: of went on, She's like, you know, we'll see if

733
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: that's going to be like, uh, through executive order or

734
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: like legislation. We don't know, but it was like this

735
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: very like noncommittal way of talking about it. But I

736
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 1: think the thing that's really interesting is that they're not

737
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: able to succinctly talk about the issues of racism and

738
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: white supremacy and over policing because they if they do,

739
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,479
Speaker 1: it's like this like logic game, where by doing that

740
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: that means now they've opened themselves up to talk about

741
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: all these things that the president has already spoken about,

742
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: and they're always willing to like just defend it blindly.

743
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: But it's weird how even these like racists have to

744
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 1: like figure out the weird chess game, like, well, I

745
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 1: can't say too much because then that means I acknowledge it,

746
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: and then the self awareness will make my own ideology evaporate.

747
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 1: But I must do very there's a lot of a

748
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,439
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of word games being played. Um,

749
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,919
Speaker 1: but we'll, I don't know, we'll see what happens. I'm

750
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not I'm not hopeful either. I mean, listen,

751
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: this is an administration where Trump went on TV and

752
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: put in front of a bunch of police officers and

753
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: said essentially, don't beat yeah, rough him up, like like like,

754
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: I guess I just And it's funny that we've been

755
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 1: talking about this now. I feel obviously fucked Trump forever

756
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: until the day I die, like, suck my dick and

757
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: choke on it. Fuck you. I hate him so much,

758
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:31,760
Speaker 1: but yeld my time, which, by the way, like chef kiss.

759
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: But you know, when I was at the protest in

760
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: d C, I was really surprised how few signs at

761
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: the protests were about Trump specifically, and I almost kind

762
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 1: of forgot about him, Like, of course he is a racist,

763
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: white supremacist monster, and he's leading our country, and you know,

764
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 1: we we got to remember that. But this problem goes

765
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 1: so much deeper than Trump, Like like this ship was

766
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: a problem way before Trump, right, Like this ship has

767
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: always been a problem. You just talked about Obama like

768
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: talking about protesters, right, like the problem obviously Trump is horrible,

769
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: but Trump did not invent white supremacy. And I think

770
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: that like people who are thinking about it only in

771
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: terms of like, oh, Trump is a monster, are thinking

772
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: way there. That's a tunnel vision or thinks like SoundCloud

773
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: rappers are the beginning of hip hop exactly exactly. Um, So,

774
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: like it's like this is the first this has been

775
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 1: the first time that I had like thought about Trump

776
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: in a couple of days because I'm just like, there

777
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: are so much other there's so much to this. It's

778
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 1: it's bigger than like the racist in the White House. Yes,

779
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: the racist in the White House, but it's so much

780
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,399
Speaker 1: bigger than that. Yeah, I think that's like the one

781
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: thing he's actually like I think, God, it's systemic that

782
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: it's not just me, but it's true. I think that's

783
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 1: why I keep saying that we need to actually begin

784
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 1: moving forward with purpose and not politics, because dude, Bill Clinton,

785
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: let's think about what happened the amount of people were

786
00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: incarcerated under the Clinton administration. And because his cat had

787
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: a video game socks the cat on Genesis and he

788
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 1: could play the saxophone. Were like he was great in action,

789
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: but that's in action. And then the same way, like

790
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 1: even that's why I didn't like this the Kente cloth stole.

791
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 1: Look from all these politicians who have not really they

792
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: could have gone so much more aggressive on bills that

793
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: would have helped working people, which would have helped black people. Uh.

794
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,439
Speaker 1: They could have done they could have done so much

795
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: more work that would have aggressively treated uh like housing

796
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: inequality and things like that, but they didn't because they

797
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: also they have to work with the real estate developers

798
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: that helped finance their campaign. It's just that's why, like

799
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,399
Speaker 1: I look at all this and I'm like, but see

800
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: this is a fucking you guys just playing dress up. Uh.

801
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: And that's why I really I think that's what to

802
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: your point is that people feel that this is like yo,

803
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: this is so they're seeing past the the political game

804
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 1: and now it's the purpose. We're done with the politics

805
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: of this. We're now here with the purpose for equality

806
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: and if we maybe we'll affect that change through politics

807
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: by exercise our right to protest and then eventually lean

808
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: on these people to get in line, or let's vote

809
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: in people that will and let's not be afraid to

810
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: put people out who were all about dragging their feet.

811
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 1: And a lot of people want to talk about what

812
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: those people don't get stuff. Some people just too idealistic,

813
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: they don't get stuff done. Well. They're in there because

814
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: they're in there for a purpose. They're not there to

815
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: half step, and unfortunately they were just out numbered. God,

816
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: and I think with what you're saying, I have to

817
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 1: have to go there. I mean, something that has really

818
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: been dismaying my heart lately is you know, come November,

819
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 1: we're gonna have Trump, four years of Trump or four

820
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: years of Biden. Biden is not someone who is for

821
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 1: you know, defunding the police, not even we just had

822
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: a global pandemic. And this man is not even for

823
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: better solutions for everybody to have healthcare. Right, So, like

824
00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: part I'm just so frustrated with our country and our

825
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: party and our electoral power, like like now it is

826
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: not the time, like you said, to half step, right,

827
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 1: like we need we need big ideas and big solutions,

828
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: and I think people are hungry for that right now.

829
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: And but and then it's like the only answer to

830
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: why you can't ensure every other person is like is

831
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: just about the insurance industry. There are ways to really

832
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 1: like to to put people in new positions to stay employed.

833
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: That isn't so like these disingenuous arguments that like suddenly

834
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:32,760
Speaker 1: these people are going to be out on their ass.

835
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: Like I'm sure there are some people who like who

836
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: work and maybe in an administrative capacity in a C

837
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: suite at Humana or Kaiser or something. Yes, that may

838
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: be a bit difficult, but not to say that we

839
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: can't think of an equitable way to transition off of that,

840
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: to create that because at the end of the day,

841
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: it's really just about money. Yeah, that's something like like

842
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 1: the pandemic happening and then the this this this wave

843
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: of protest. But at the same time, nothing has ever

844
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: been like more clear to me is that, you know,

845
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 1: before all of this unrest happened, we couldn't make sure,

846
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 1: like not everybody has insurance. We couldn't make sure our

847
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: doctors had enough of the gear they needed to do

848
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: their jobs safely. A week later, we've got we've got

849
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,439
Speaker 1: money for the military in my in Mike, in my

850
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: little sleepy DC town to be sending out tanks and

851
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: flash banks because a handful of teenagers broke curfew, Like

852
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: we have money for we have money for this, but

853
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,439
Speaker 1: we didn't have money for fucking face masks a week ago.

854
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: Like the only reason why we have people who are uninsured,

855
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: people who are dying because they can't get what they

856
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 1: need in terms of medical care. You know, is because

857
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: we we've made that choice. It's a choice we have.

858
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: We have the money, we have the money. The fact

859
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: of the matter is, like, if we wanted to take

860
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: care of our people in this country, we could. We

861
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: have chosen that. We have chosen, not what we fucking could,

862
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: Like we just need to like accept that. Yeah, I

863
00:45:58,120 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: think much in the same way. It's like it's like

864
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: the same thing where with I guess with racism in

865
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: this country, we can, we were willing to diagnose that,

866
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: but there hasn't been that tipping point where it's clicking

867
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,439
Speaker 1: now where it's like, yeah, wait, why wait, why are

868
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: we why are they paid? So? Why are these fucking

869
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: CEOs paid? So what is this? Why they barely do?

870
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: What are we doing? What? What's why are we leaving

871
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: people behind? The smart people? A lot of really smart

872
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 1: people go into just bullshit jobs. I mean you were

873
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 1: talking about the people who are going to be out

874
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,760
Speaker 1: on their ass, Like those are generally people who could

875
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: be very good at a job that actually contributes something

876
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: that actually takes care of somebody, instead of finding legal

877
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: ways to over complicate the process of getting people covered

878
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: for their healthcare like that, it's just our our system

879
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: is not set up to function efficiently. It's set up to,

880
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: uh find ways for people at the top to make money.

881
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: The whole game is that we have industries that are

882
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: essentially made to generate revenue from the failings of capitalism.

883
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: That's that's the other stage of this thing is like okay,

884
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: so late. It's like, okay, so, because we leave black

885
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: and brown people destitute and they can make crimes of desperation,

886
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: the solution isn't to address their inequality. It's to now

887
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: criminalize their poverty and send patrols in there to just

888
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 1: round people up, arrest them, brutalize them. That's weird. Oh

889
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: but look who makes all this money. All the people

890
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 1: who make the tear gas, who make the tanks, who

891
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: make the prisons, who make the handcuffs, who make the

892
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: police uniforms. That's a whole industry that's built off of

893
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 1: ignoring the actual root cause of these crimes that are happening.

894
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: And it's so disingenuous that it just be like nah, see,

895
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: because if I do that, then there will be less

896
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: of what I need to do, and I want I

897
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: need to create more money. So what I'll do is

898
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: these people are now illegal what they do is illegal,

899
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 1: and we won't even let's completely avoid a conversation of

900
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 1: how to actually get these people to some point of stability. Um,

901
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: but you know, that's that's just kind of where some

902
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: people are in the discourse. I feel like the mainstream

903
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: media can over explain and they can look at the

904
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: systems of well, doctors didn't have the like the doctors

905
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: had to wear garbage bags because we didn't have the

906
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: masks created yet, and like we didn't have a stockpile,

907
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: and that was a systemic problem. And police are you know,

908
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: have max suits because that Like I've seen all these

909
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: articles in the New York Times and Washington Post Wall

910
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: Street Journal that are all just like this really close

911
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: analysis of each systemic problem. But at a certain point

912
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 1: you need to step back and you do have to

913
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 1: look at the symptom and be like, Okay, this is

914
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:49,760
Speaker 1: not we there's something overall wrong with the like broad

915
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: value system when a doctor during a pandemic is wearing

916
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: a garbage bag and when police immediately respond looking like

917
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: the future in from Terminator, when um, whenever there's you know,

918
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 1: peaceful protests, well, what's funny? Like now it's like, you know,

919
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: the the three race, class, and gender, race and gender.

920
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: The news is fine talking about it seems like class

921
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: not so much, or at least connecting all three at once,

922
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: never because that would probably activate too many people's imaginations

923
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: for liberation or something like that. But I think again,

924
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: the reason too, is because all of these systems are

925
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: there to reinforce this cast system, the system like this,

926
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 1: these classes that we have. And when you're able to say,

927
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 1: you know, again, with the criminalization of the poor rather

928
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: than rehabilitation of the poor, you can maintain your cast

929
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: system and make money because if you create equality, now

930
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,280
Speaker 1: you're disrupting that model. So the ruling class is completely

931
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 1: unable to address it because it would quite literally erode

932
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: their financial, political, and racial supremacy. So it's like a

933
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: snail being pro like, you're not going to hear them

934
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 1: talk about it, because they'd be like, oh, ship, then

935
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 1: I've the the Nope, nope, I'm not gonn talk about salt,

936
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 1: talk about everything else, right, absolutely, And I want to

937
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 1: say one thing, which I know sounds a little hippie dippy,

938
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: but it came up in a therapy session. Right It's like,

939
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: ranted about all of these things that I found very,

940
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,879
Speaker 1: very impactful is that this is a lot right Like

941
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:26,760
Speaker 1: one person, right, like me, my little self, working alone,

942
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,439
Speaker 1: I am not going to be able to overthrow capitalism, patriarchy,

943
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: white supremacy, or any other oppressive system, right, Like sometimes

944
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: you feel like we can though, that's I feel like

945
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: if honestly listening to you talk today, Miles, it's like

946
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 1: maybe maybe I can't do it, but that's the only word,

947
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: Like you know, you know something. But we get these

948
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 1: moments where you feel in touch with your power and

949
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: it's easy to fall into that definitely, UM. But something

950
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: that my therapist said that I found so impactful was

951
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: that while I cannot overthrow these oppressive symptoms myself, I

952
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: can do the work to make sure they don't run

953
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: ship in my in my relationships, in my home, in

954
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: my workplace, and most importantly in my mind. Right And so,

955
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 1: like I was reading this this UM step by step

956
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: guide about you know, UM prison abolition and and defunding

957
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 1: the police all of that, and the first thing they

958
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: said was step one if you're going to be serious

959
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: about abolition, is kill the cop in your mind, that

960
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: voice in your head when you when you catch yourself

961
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: policing others, you know, asking like when you hear your

962
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 1: inner care and going off when you you know, right, like,

963
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: like the number one thing we all need to do

964
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: is not out there. It's it's self work. It's killing

965
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: the cop in our mind. And I found that to

966
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: be so empowering is that, Oh I might not be

967
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: able to overthrow capitalism, pature archy, white supremacy, but I

968
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 1: can damn sure it make sure they don't run sh

969
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: it in my house, in my mind, in my relationships,

970
00:51:54,480 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: at my at my job, you know, absolutely. Ye. Just

971
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: going back to Biden real quick, I I feel like

972
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: there there's a certain type of Democrat who wanted Biden

973
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 1: to win so that they could stop paying attention to

974
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: the news, and I think we need to actively address that,

975
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: like over the coming Like I still think, you know,

976
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 1: we should vote for Biden because I don't know what

977
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: happens with Trump continuing in the White House. But that

978
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 1: cannot be the reason why it can't be a situation

979
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: where we go back to, you know, just assuming that

980
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: everything is being taken care of. And you guys mentioned

981
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: it earlier. That's sort of political geometry of every time

982
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: there's a Democrat in the White House, there's a tryang

983
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 1: regulation that goes on where they have to you know,

984
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: consider have to appear tough on crime, or conservative politically

985
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:14,439
Speaker 1: or conservative fiscally, like all these different things that they

986
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: feel they have to do, whereas like Republicans never feel

987
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 1: like they have to make concessions in the other direction. Um,

988
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: but Democrats like that needs to stop, and it can't

989
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,359
Speaker 1: be a thing. We stop paying attention all that all

990
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: that does. It's just accommodating white supremacy. That's all it is,

991
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: and that's all it has been. So whenever we're asking

992
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: for real equality and these bills get to a point

993
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: and legislators that get it get it to a place

994
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: where maybe it could get a vote, and then it

995
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: gets fucking destroyed and watered down, that's because then they're

996
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: Democrats who are accommodating the white supremacy on the right

997
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: or in their own districts. And I think that's at

998
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: least I think maybe that's the difference is we are

999
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: less Companies too, are less willing to accommodate white supremacy

1000
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 1: to like when they say, hey, funck y'all, bro, if

1001
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: if it ain't black lives matter, fucking I don't give

1002
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 1: take your dollars somewhere else. We don't give a fuck.

1003
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: We actually don't. We don't give a fuck because the

1004
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,800
Speaker 1: racist aren't making this ship. That's good. Well, go ahead,

1005
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:14,879
Speaker 1: go over there if you like it. And I think

1006
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 1: that's the attitude that the Democrats also need to have,

1007
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: is to stop accommodating these white supremacists. And it's easy.

1008
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 1: You can say, look, we're doing this because that's right

1009
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: and if whatever. I think a lot of arguments against

1010
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: like these structural changes, like they're only gonna appeal to

1011
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 1: the the economics of it ever, because there's no there's

1012
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: no moral argument against any of these things. We're we're

1013
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: seeing everything. So now it's like scrambling to be like, well, now,

1014
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 1: how can we obscure this in these other ways to

1015
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: try and because we can't, this can't get too much momentum.

1016
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: But I think, really what we need to be doing,

1017
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: and I think that's a place where I'm finding myself

1018
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: at is like I'm not going to accommodate white supremacy.

1019
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 1: So that means if I see it, I will call

1020
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: it out. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna be like, oh,

1021
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: there are light super to see you know that was

1022
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 1: like a very twenty seventeen nineteen way be like what

1023
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: what is? What there? It is? I mean, we see it,

1024
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: But then I you know, I was living in a

1025
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: reality where you see it. And then like if enough

1026
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 1: people on Twitter know who this person is, maybe they'll

1027
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: get fired. And that's the little bit of justice I

1028
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 1: can taste. Um. But I think we got eyes on

1029
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 1: bigger prizes now. The status quo is not inherently good,

1030
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: like Americans have loved to tell ourself the other this

1031
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: Typles quote of America is not that America is inherently good.

1032
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: It's that it's inherently white supremacist. America's soul is not

1033
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: inherently good. Like I mean, I cannot I can just

1034
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: hear Biden saying that, like, deep down Americans are good

1035
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: and Americans deep down our white supremacist, and that is

1036
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: something that needs to be actively addressed constantly on a

1037
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: daily basis. Yes, I just want to yes, and that

1038
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: so much. Know, when there's a high profile racist incident,

1039
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,280
Speaker 1: so many of my like well meaning white friends always

1040
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 1: rushed to be like, this isn't who America is. America

1041
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: is better than that, better than that, it's like where

1042
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 1: when when was America better? Like, like, this is who

1043
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,240
Speaker 1: we are. I think that that like that that distinction

1044
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 1: Jack that you just talked about, Like it's uncomfortable and difficult.

1045
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 1: I think for a lot of people to swallow that

1046
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:31,240
Speaker 1: this is who America is and getting back to normal

1047
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: quote unquote, getting back to the status quo would just

1048
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: be a return to all of these oppressive, fucked up,

1049
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 1: toxic systems that have ranched it for so long. Because

1050
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:42,839
Speaker 1: this is who we are. You know, when we say like, oh,

1051
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: it's a broken system, it's not really broken. Like we've

1052
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 1: we've chosn we've chosen to set it up this way,

1053
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 1: and that's the system that we have. So like, if

1054
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,280
Speaker 1: you don't like the system, it's not that it's broken,

1055
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 1: it's it's functioning the way it was designed to function,

1056
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: which is badly if you're a black or brown, Yeah, yeah,

1057
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,320
Speaker 1: it's that. Then That's the other part of it is

1058
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: governments are only you know, legitimate, legitimate if people you know,

1059
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 1: uh consent to be ruled under it. And we're seeing

1060
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 1: I mean now we're like willing to completely don't know,

1061
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people who are starting to

1062
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: reject what they're seeing and for a lot of people

1063
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Speaker 1: to like, I mean, if we've talked, we talked about

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Speaker 1: this on this show all the time, and I just

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00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: want to be able to arm listeners to when because

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00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: people will, especially a lot of people who don't think much,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna hear white supremacy and they say, I'm not

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Speaker 1: in the k k K. I didn't own slaves, we

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00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: didn't own We're Irish or whatever, we were slaves, which

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Speaker 1: I've see that one on Twitter a lot um the

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Speaker 1: the begin to like really understand what we're talking about, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: if you just think of it, it's like that our

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00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: entire history has been written by the people who were

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00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: doing their own pr the whole time, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. Game here, we kick these people the funk out,

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00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: brutal ie them, you know, then we took over. Then

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Speaker 1: we like we're hallucinating that God said we could have

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00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 1: everything else. So then we filed a bunch of people, uh,

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Speaker 1: mistreated people. Then use the labor of these people we

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Speaker 1: stole from their land, and then wait to get a

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Speaker 1: little of this four dred. Years later, they're gonna pay

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Speaker 1: a company that white people own called twenty three and

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00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: me and still not know where they come from because

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00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 1: we stole them from where they came. It's gonna be

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00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 1: that sick. I mean, like, these are the things. It's

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00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: it's it's just about how there's been we have not

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00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: truly addressed how we have used slavery in this country

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00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: to you know, from the time of King Cotton and

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00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 1: what that did for America as an economic powerhouse, to

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00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: the labor that has been used to build these cities

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00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,919
Speaker 1: and then freed the slaves and said that was enough

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00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: and been like and then we'll continue to find new

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00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: ways to evolve this slavery because we realize, okay, we

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Speaker 1: can't say slavery anymore. We've crossed the rubicon where the

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00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 1: word slavery bad. Everyone knows slavery bad. So let's call

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Speaker 1: it something else. Okay, let's start um, let's start segregating them,

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00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 1: and we'll put them in these other places, and then

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00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 1: we can find other ways to just sort of maintain

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Speaker 1: this thing where we will continue to other and be

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Speaker 1: suspicious of a group of people. UM. I don't even

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Speaker 1: know where I'm going with this, because once I get

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Speaker 1: once I get started talking about this stuff, a million

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Speaker 1: thoughts in my head. No, I mean that's that's yeah.

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Speaker 1: We need to have a reckon. That's what I meant.

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00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 1: We just have to people. It's it's about having an

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Speaker 1: honest reckoning. Like if you haven't read a people's history

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Speaker 1: of the United States, my god. Like that was one

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Speaker 1: of the first times I remember graduating high school and

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00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 1: a history teacher, who are really looked up to the

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Speaker 1: reason I even majored in history, was like, hey, you

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00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 1: should check this book out. And I was like, why

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00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: did we read this here? He's like, dude, I can't.

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00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 1: I can't tell you all good read this ship in

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00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 1: the school? Um? And I did, and it blew my mind.

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00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, that's right. They were doing their

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00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 1: own pr this whole time with these history books. And

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00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 1: that the book that that was that the book that

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00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: radicalized you? Like what was the thing that like radicalized you?

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00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 1: Like that that like brought you to where you are?

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Speaker 1: Like what you're jumping off? Point? That got you to

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Speaker 1: where you are now? Was it that book that was

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Speaker 1: the first step? And then I think when I read

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Speaker 1: like Confessions of an Economic hit Man, that helped put

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01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 1: the other puzzle pieces in place of like how we

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Speaker 1: were interpreting the Cold War and how America was playing

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Speaker 1: out its game of influence in Latin America and South

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01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 1: America using soft power versus what the Soviet Union was

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Speaker 1: doing with like brute like military like force to show

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01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,479
Speaker 1: people like Americans would be like, We're gonna use debt

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Speaker 1: and like use our guns to train people who will

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Speaker 1: kill socialists. Like that was sort of the other parts,

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Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, right, and I think just

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01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 1: I think really and if any anytime you can find

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Speaker 1: an honest account of history, whether that's like the involvement

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Speaker 1: in Latin America with like or the School of America's

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01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 1: and knowing like what that was and things like that,

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01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: those are when you realize and like, these are things

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01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 1: that exist that are even have Wikipedia articles. It's not

1139
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:56,919
Speaker 1: like these are conspiracy theories. I've just been force fed

1140
01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: a diet that completely sanitizes all of the Americans of

1141
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 1: any wrongdoing. I don't know. I can't remember a single time,

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Speaker 1: like as a kid where I was like, wow, America

1143
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 1: was really bad for that, even the atomic bomb. I'm

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Speaker 1: black and Japanese and I'm reading a section on Nagasaki

1145
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 1: and Hiroshima, and I'm like, yeah, man, that probably the

1146
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: war would have got a lot worse if they didn't

1147
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 1: do that. And I was fed that and I remember

1148
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 1: like saying that out loud to my mom and got

1149
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 1: my head ripped off, and I was like, oh my god,

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01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: I totally forgot, like that's and I've been I've been.

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01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 1: I'm Japanese. I've been to Hiroshima, and I've seen the

1152
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 1: like the dome, the bombed out dome, and like, I

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01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 1: know what that means to the people of Japan, and

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01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 1: like most people who saw that as an atrocity. But

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Speaker 1: then I without being able to see the nuance of

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Speaker 1: what I was getting as a school child and even

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01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 1: like eating this like really bitter sweet cookie, that was

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01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 1: American history being fed to me of like the destruction

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01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: of my own people. And it's weird when you because

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01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 1: we we go out into the world, like we trust

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01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 1: the teachers and the schools and like that's what it's

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01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 1: all about. But we have to become we have to

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01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 1: get more honest here and be a little more critical

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01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 1: of like it's not we're not doing ourselves any service

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01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 1: by obscuring our past. And I mean, the white supremacists

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01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 1: know how powerful that ship is. They that's why they

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01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 1: fight to ban books. That's why they you know, there

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01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 1: there's uh an episode of The Doll Up that I

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01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 1: was listening to recently about the like West Bridginia textbook

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Speaker 1: battles where these like right wing you know, white supremacists

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01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: were just battling to keep any mention of like science,

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Speaker 1: any mentioned of just anything out of the schools and

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01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 1: they like went to literal war over it because they

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01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 1: you know, they know what they're doing. Because again, white

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01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 1: supremacy survives as long as we don't talk about it. Yeah,

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01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 1: as long as we don't put our attention on it,

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Speaker 1: and as long as we don't use the words white

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Speaker 1: supremacy because it's easier to say like man then those

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Speaker 1: were different could times and blah blah Bla's Like, no,

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Speaker 1: I see, now you've completely derailed our purpose, because our

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01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: purpose is to dismantle white supremacy. It's not to it's

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01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 1: not to create lawlessness and get rid of the cops.

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01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 1: The cops are an expression of white supremacy. But there's

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01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 1: eyes on bigger prizes. You said if you haven't read

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Speaker 1: people's history of the US, even if you have, I'm

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01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 1: going to reread that. I suggest rereading it. I just

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01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 1: rewatched thirteen and something that stuck with me this time

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01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 1: more than it had before was just that last line.

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Speaker 1: Brian Stevenson says. People say all the time, I don't

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Speaker 1: understand how people could have tolerated slavery. How could they

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01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 1: have made peace with that? How could people have gone

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Speaker 1: to a lynching participate in that? How do people make

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01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 1: sense of the segregation? This white and colored only drinking fountain?

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01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 1: That's so crazy. If I was living at that time,

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Speaker 1: I would have never tolerated anything like that. And the

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01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 1: truth is we are living at this time and we

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Speaker 1: are tolerating it. That that's it. Yeah. Well, Bridget, Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's been wonderful having you on the show. I feel

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Speaker 1: completely derailed your episode structure. That's how all the episodes

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Speaker 1: have been going lately, and I think that's next. I

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01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 1: think we're better off good to let the conversation go

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01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 1: where it does. Yeah, and you were a great guest

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Speaker 1: as always, so never feel like you derailed anything. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Where can people find you and follow you? Um? You

1205
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 1: can follow me on Twitter at Bridget Marie. You can

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01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 1: follow me on Instagram at Bridget Marie in d C.

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Speaker 1: And you can keep a lookout for my new podcast

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01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 1: on this very network, I Heart Radio, called There Are

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01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 1: No Girls on the Internet. It drops on July seven.

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Speaker 1: N Wow. What's it about? It explores the intersection of

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Speaker 1: women and other marginalized voices technology and the Internet. I think,

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Speaker 1: especially right now, you know, in all these conversations we're

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Speaker 1: having about white supremacy technology, tech, tech companies, specific individuals

1214
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 1: in tech are really allowing a lot of ship to

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01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 1: go on while also pretending that their tech is a

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01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 1: political or neutral and that's bullshit. So I really want

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01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 1: to explore some of that and and point some fingers.

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01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 1: What's to come along with me? We love we love

1219
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 1: finger pointing around here. Uh. And is there a tweet

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01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 1: you've been enjoying or some other work of social media? Yes,

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01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 1: there is, um my favorite tweet of the moment, so

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Speaker 1: I have two. One is Twitter user Alyssa. She says,

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Speaker 1: you want to know why you're also phonetically satisfied by

1224
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 1: the line quote suck my dick and choke on it.

1225
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 1: I yield my time. Fuck you. It's because it's basically Shakespeare.

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01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 1: It feels like a heartbeat. Literally, It's how you speak

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01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 1: when your body is guiding you and she's broken it

1228
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 1: down and it's it's essentially i ambic pentameter, and I

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01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 1: think there is something like so lyrically beautiful about that.

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01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 1: For is suck my dick and choke on it. I

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01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 1: yield my time, fuck you. I've started a probably a

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01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 1: hundred times I saw that video. That is my new

1233
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 1: life motto. What was your favorite coupling? I think I

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01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 1: think I gotta go with the I yield my time

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01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 1: fuck you, because you know, it's like he recognizes that

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01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:21,919
Speaker 1: his time is up, has a little bit more time,

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01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 1: and it's gonna sneak that in. I just think it's

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01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 1: I think it's a real and still has a respect

1239
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:29,520
Speaker 1: for decorum too, Like I think that's what it is

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01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 1: despite all that you said, Yeah, I told the man

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01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:35,440
Speaker 1: a choke on your dick, but then you're like, decorum,

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01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 1: I yield my time, fuck you. Sorry, I had one

1243
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 1: more time all the way out. And another thing I've

1244
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 1: been loving online is the probably my new protest anthem,

1245
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 1: you are about to lose your job. Somebody tweeted a

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Speaker 1: picture of a protest I think in l A outside

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Speaker 1: of the police station where it's just hundreds of protest

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01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 1: chanting that song. I just love it. That's become like

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01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 1: a rallying cry video from Detroit where the dude was

1250
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 1: like on a bombed out mad Max car and it

1251
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 1: was like Detroit techno and it's like no justice, no piece,

1252
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 1: but these racist police, no justice, and people were like

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01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 1: it was like everyone was like it was real easy.

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01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 1: It was a real easy one to get along. So

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01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it, And it's a good

1256
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 1: reminder that that techno came from like deep like from Detroit,

1257
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 1: like it was. It's a real like I love it.

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01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:36,960
Speaker 1: I love like um convergence of things anti police protests

1259
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 1: and techno in Detroit. It's all like give it to me,

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Speaker 1: put in my veins. Miles, where can people find you

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01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 1: and what's the tweet you've been enjoying? Oh, let's see.

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01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:54,440
Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter, Instagram, PlayStation network. Miles

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Speaker 1: of Gray. Also my other podcast for twenty Day Fiance

1264
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 1: talking about ninety Day Fiance uh in a season started up.

1265
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 1: So if you want to completely uh ignore the news, yeah,

1266
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 1: come onto my show, where I only will occasionally violently

1267
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 1: go on a political rant because something on the show

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01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 1: reminds me of the inequalities in our world. But I

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01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 1: try to keep them to a minimum. Um. Let's see

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Speaker 1: some tweets that I like. First, one is from regular guests, Uh,

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Speaker 1: Andrew t he's like quote tweeting like a picture of

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Speaker 1: another tweet that, um, it just says guide trolling police

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Speaker 1: by playing the Imperial Marts is exactly what the world

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Speaker 1: needs right now, which I think was happening like all

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Speaker 1: over but a lot in in France. And then Andrew

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Speaker 1: tweets do you dumb fox not know what the words

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Speaker 1: exactly and needs me? Uh? And another one is from

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Speaker 1: at Chris Ligman. It says in Los Angeles, we don't

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Speaker 1: say goodbye, we say I yield my time, fuck you,

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Speaker 1: And I think it's beautiful. Yeah, ship, those are so good.

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Speaker 1: I can't because you can find me at Jack Underscore O'Brien.

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Speaker 1: You can find us on Twitter at daily Zeitgeys. Were

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Speaker 1: at the Daily zeitgeis on Instagram. We have a Facebook

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Speaker 1: fan page and a website Daily zycheys dot com, where

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Speaker 1: we post our episodes and our footnote where we link

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Speaker 1: off to the information that we talked about today's episode,

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Speaker 1: as well as the song we ride out on miles

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Speaker 1: back to tell us what we are writing out on

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Speaker 1: me h E R having everything revealed her she has

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Speaker 1: she's a great R and B artist. Um, she's actually

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Speaker 1: I think I had a song on the show's song

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Speaker 1: Land that super producer Nick Stone works on that podcast.

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Speaker 1: But this track is called too by her. Um. I

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Speaker 1: know it all sounds like two by her, but I

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Speaker 1: don't know. She's just got like a great like downtempo style.

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Speaker 1: Her productions like very like forward thinking. Like you know,

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Speaker 1: I like when people like when artists kind of have

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Speaker 1: their own idea of what their aesthetic kids, especially with

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Speaker 1: like the songs and instrumentals that they sing over. Um,

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Speaker 1: And I always like, I always like her aesthetics. So

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Speaker 1: if you if you like it, check out her h

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Speaker 1: dot e dot e dot art. And is it to

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Speaker 1: like the number two number two like number two numero? Don't? All? Right? Well,

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Speaker 1: the Daily zey guys to the production of My Heart

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Speaker 1: Radio and for more podcasts for My Heart Radio, you

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Speaker 1: can visit the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or

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Speaker 1: wherever you listen to podcasts. That is gonna do it

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Speaker 1: for this morning. We'll be back this afternoon to tell

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Speaker 1: you what's trending. We'll tuck you guys, then bye bye.

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Speaker 1: Now I can do whatever. I'm so funny. You need

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Speaker 1: to to go, I was saying. To people, I was

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Speaker 1: saying to go. I was saying