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Speaker 1: Hey, what up. Welcome in. I'm Doug Gottlig. This is

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Speaker 1: All Ball, and in this episode of All Ball, we'll

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Speaker 1: catch up part two with Rush Sheet Hazzard, who of

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Speaker 1: course is coaching with the Johannesburg Tigers in the Basketball

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Speaker 1: Africa League. That's the b A L. If you have

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Speaker 1: missed part one, it should be in your queue. It's

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Speaker 1: great tell us a lot of the backstory. What was

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Speaker 1: like growing up the son of a legend in the

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Speaker 1: late great Walt Hazzard. Before we get to part two,

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Speaker 1: let's just do a little post mortem for the Warriors

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Speaker 1: season and for Warriors Lakers, which lasted six games. I

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Speaker 1: generally agree with Steve Kerr in regards to the better

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Speaker 1: team winning. That being said, two of their losses were

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Speaker 1: very winnable games Game one and Game four. Game four,

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Speaker 1: they had a lead, and I thought in many ways Kerr,

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Speaker 1: I don't think he necessarily got out coached, but they

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Speaker 1: But as so often is the case in the NBA,

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Speaker 1: you know, down eleven, then they were down double digits

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Speaker 1: Right Game three, they had a big lead and turnovers

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Speaker 1: and the Lakers end up you know, Lonnie Walker kind

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Speaker 1: whole time, when the truth is that the proximity of

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Speaker 1: the two teams was not that great. It really really

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Speaker 1: was not so in regards to the Warriors, it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of talk of bringing back

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Speaker 1: the Big three, and suddenly now that doesn't include Andrew Wiggins,

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Speaker 1: which is weird because he played so well in the

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Speaker 1: And I don't think they'll ever say it, but you

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Speaker 1: you know, they almost fall out of the playoffs, almost

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Speaker 1: fall into the playing game. I can't think that the

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Speaker 1: you could say, hey, look it's a personal matter or

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Speaker 1: whatever happened is that's great. But try that with your job.

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Speaker 1: Try that with any job. You know, they all require

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Speaker 1: your presence, to require your attention. And they may say, hey,

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Speaker 1: take all the time you need. They don't really mean it.

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Speaker 1: Nobody really means that. You know. What they mean is

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Speaker 1: take the lead possible time you need, get back, and

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Speaker 1: if you took all the time you need. That's really

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Speaker 1: the translation. So Wiggins is in a pecurious spot. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: Jordan Poole who lost his confidence it he must have

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Speaker 1: been feeling himself and that's got to be why, you know,

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Speaker 1: Draymond punched him and the reaction to it from the

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Speaker 1: the entire team. So what do you do moving forward?

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Speaker 1: If if you're Golden State, I mean, you're not parting

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Speaker 1: Clay Thompson. He's got more time on his contract. He

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Speaker 1: to do? I can't give you a contract in the

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Speaker 1: future based upon past performance. And then Draymond Green is

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Speaker 1: an interesting one. There were times when he played very

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Speaker 1: something I find interesting. Obviously, the Weisman pick didn't work out.

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Speaker 1: Some of that is he wasn't as good as advertised.

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Speaker 1: He didn't evolve, he didn't improve. Some of it was

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Speaker 1: least a similarity there between the Lakers, between the Celtics

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Speaker 1: in the eighties and early nineties and these Warriors. Remember

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Speaker 1: They needed Wiseman to be a start. They needed a

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Speaker 1: They could have had LaMelo Ball. They were worried about

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Speaker 1: And they've done a great deal with what they've had.

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Speaker 1: bit of everything. Hasn't been good enough. So the downfall

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Speaker 1: and I think that's fascinating. As for the Lakers, look, man,

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Speaker 1: Lonnie Walker game. In Game four, Lonnie Walker came in

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Speaker 1: He lost in six games. You have blown out in

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Speaker 1: Does he want to play for the Lakers? The Lakers

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Speaker 1: Lebron James has to play a wing, has to play

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Speaker 1: a lot of the switches will be they can't switch

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Speaker 1: love Jamal Murray, but he's gonna switch on to Lebron

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Speaker 1: they just have so many pieces that haven't done it before.

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Speaker 1: I think the Lakers win probably in six games. I

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Speaker 1: one where they gotta win. They'll win one of those

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Speaker 1: get you to Rashid Hazard Part two. Do you remember

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Speaker 1: Okay, so here's the here's the question I understood Phil's theory.

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Speaker 3: In today's game, you know what I mean, the altimos

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Speaker 2: And I don't think as a as a whole staff,

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Speaker 3: I mean, we had the pieces to make it work.

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Speaker 3: The pieces that we had. And that's on all of us.

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Speaker 2: You know. You you try some things that you think

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Speaker 1: How do you emotionally handle those things? Like Portland, you

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Speaker 2: You said that When I was thirteen years old, my

432
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,920
Speaker 2: dad was fired, so I had already been through that,

433
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 2: and I had seen the way he handled it, and

434
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,439
Speaker 2: you know, I was very devastated when he lost his

435
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 2: job at UCLA, and as were my brothers and my mom,

436
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 2: and he, you know, he had to spend a lot

437
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 2: of time with us to teach us that it's just

438
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 2: a part of the business. Now, you're hired to be fired.

439
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:02,479
Speaker 2: In this business, it just is what it is. And

440
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,479
Speaker 2: so when it ends up happening to me, it's funny.

441
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 2: When I got fired from Portland and I come back

442
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 2: to LA I go to the Laker facility and first

443
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 2: person I see is Kurtin b Shaw and they come over, Man,

444
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 2: you're an off season I was like, no, man, they

445
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 2: fired us.

446
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,440
Speaker 3: And they both go, hey, well you're you're a coach.

447
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 3: Now you've been fired.

448
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,919
Speaker 2: Welcome to you know, And that was like And so

449
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 2: I learned from guys like that and my dad to

450
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 2: have a sense of humor about it, because it's.

451
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 3: A part of what happens in this business. You are

452
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 3: you are.

453
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 2: Legitimately hired to be fired, and it's going to happen. Inevitably.

454
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 2: It's going to happen because nobody keeps these jobs for

455
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,360
Speaker 2: twenty years, not at the pro level.

456
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 3: At least, And so it's just you just you know,

457
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 3: it's a part of the business.

458
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 2: But I love it so much and I love every

459
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 2: part of the game that just because I get fired

460
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 2: as an NBA coach doesn't I'm still a coach because

461
00:23:59,280 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 2: it's what's in me.

462
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 3: It's not the job title. The coaching profession is really

463
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 3: in me.

464
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 2: So even when I'm not coaching with the Lakers, you know,

465
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 2: I'm at Livingwood High School is last year, helping Jason.

466
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 3: Crow out, you know, just to be around the game.

467
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 2: You know, before that I at Loyola with Jamal Adams

468
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 2: when my nephews went there and I was still coaching

469
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 2: with the Lakers. I'm leaving Laker practice and I'm going

470
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 2: to Loyal High School practice. That's how much of a

471
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 2: junkie I am or coaching basketball and for being around

472
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,439
Speaker 2: it and the joy that it brings. And so it's just,

473
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 2: you know, it's a part of the business. Take the

474
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 2: good with the bad, and you still love it the same.

475
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,199
Speaker 3: How how has it been for you with the passing

476
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 3: your brother, That's been the most difficult path that I've

477
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 3: had to walk because this job that I have now,

478
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 3: my brother was.

479
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 2: Still alive, he would be here at some capacity. He

480
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 2: would be an assistant, he would be something I would

481
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 2: sacrifice a part of my salary to hire him so

482
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 2: that he could have gone through this experience with me.

483
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just it's really difficult not having the guy

484
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 3: that you know, I kind of knew the credit for.

485
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 3: You know, he coached me in high school. It was

486
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 3: part of the staff at Venice High after he finished

487
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 3: at more House.

488
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 2: He just you know, he loved me so much, man,

489
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 2: and believed in me so much. When I when I

490
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 2: got the job at Venice, I was like, hey man,

491
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:27,439
Speaker 2: you know I'm gonna get into coaching.

492
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 3: And before I got it, he was like, oh where

493
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 3: are we going? You know, that level of humility.

494
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 2: This is my older brother right as Frenshaw High School

495
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 2: two city, two state championship, city champion, all the things

496
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 2: he's done, went to led More House to the final

497
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 2: four us their point guard you know, in like ninety

498
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 2: when I said that was ninety three. You know, he

499
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 2: has more accomplishments than all of us as a basketball player.

500
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 2: And he saw enough in me and was humble enough

501
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 2: that he was like, you know, I see something in you,

502
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 2: and you're going to be a great coach, and I

503
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 2: want to be there with you and go along for

504
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 2: the ride, and to not have him here when I

505
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 2: while I have this moment. That's why I dedicated my

506
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 2: first win to him at BA L and to him and.

507
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 3: My dad, because they're the reason that I do this.

508
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 2: They're the reason that I kept pushing forward when I

509
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 2: lost my job and when I wasn't playing at GW.

510
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 2: You know, it was my brother Jaala who flew to Washington,

511
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 2: d C. To spend the weekend with me just to

512
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 2: help me get my mental focus back and to make

513
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 2: sure that my mental health wasn't a thing at the time,

514
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 2: but to make sure that you know, I was good.

515
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 3: And so.

516
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 2: Not having him here really hurts, and it hurts every

517
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 2: day in those days, man, I just you know, I'd

518
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 2: be in the gym and I had to excuse myself

519
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 2: and I cried because I really missing that much, and.

520
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 3: I wish that I could share these moments with him.

521
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 3: But God had another plan, and so.

522
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 6: I have to I have to continue to I have

523
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 6: to continue to push forward. I have to continue to

524
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 6: carry him with me and and Steered is alive in me.

525
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 6: In my first game, I literally we were down against

526
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 6: this team called Slack excellent team, and at halftime and

527
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 6: I was trying to figure out something like how do

528
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 6: I slow them down but keep our pace up and

529
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 6: get us involved in the game defensively. And we had

530
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 6: this defense we called thirty three in Venice and it's

531
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 6: the old.

532
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 2: One to two to two roper pressed that my brother

533
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 2: taught me that Krenshaw used to run.

534
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 3: I could hear him, you know, man, go thirty three.

535
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 3: So we jumped into thirty three.

536
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 2: And we mounted a hell of a comeback and we

537
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 2: won that first game. And so I literally give him

538
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 2: credit for that because I know people say that it's

539
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 2: kind of crap all the time, but I'm.

540
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 3: Like heard his voice, man, like, yo, getting jumping thirty three.

541
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 3: You know it's gonna work. You're gonna get it, because

542
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 3: he used to say that to me all the time

543
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 3: in Venice.

544
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 2: And it was just a surreal moment that it worked

545
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 2: and that I really heard his voice tell me to

546
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 2: do that, And it just shows you how connected we

547
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 2: are and how connected we will always be.

548
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: How did the b L A B AL job come

549
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 1: to be?

550
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 2: Ricohans, My brother Rico Hans was doing the camp in

551
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 2: Rwanda and he I think bumped into the owner, Raphael Edwards,

552
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 2: and you know, Raphael was just conversation about basketball. It's like,

553
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 2: you know, man, I'm looking for a coach. And he

554
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 2: threw all these big names out that he was talking to.

555
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 2: You know, I think Mark Jackson was one and all

556
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 2: these guys.

557
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 3: He was like, no, man, you know what you should

558
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 3: You should hire my boy Rashid hasn't. It's like, you know,

559
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 3: I doesn't really know who I am. I'm not a

560
00:28:58,640 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 3: big name like that.

561
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 2: He's like no, man, like I'm telling you, like he's

562
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 2: the guy, like he he's the one you need to hire.

563
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 2: It just needs that opportunity. So Raphael text me one day,

564
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 2: like probably a month after my brother had passed, and

565
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 2: you know, I replied to him like yeah, you know, hey, yeah,

566
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 2: it would be interested in interviewing for the Cape Town

567
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 2: Tigers job. And then it was crickets for about a

568
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 2: month and we CoA just had we just me and

569
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 2: we go talk all the time, and we just happen

570
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 2: to be talking. He was like, hey, whatever happened with

571
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 2: the b Andmal job? I said, Man, the guy never

572
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 2: hit me back. You know, I'm sure he found somebody

573
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 2: that was a very good candidate. You know, I just

574
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 2: never heard.

575
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 3: Back from him. He said, no, let me follow up

576
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 3: with it.

577
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 2: Followed up with him, and then I get a text

578
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 2: from Rafael like, hey, man, let's let's jump on the

579
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 2: I think we jumped on on a just a regular

580
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 2: phone call. Just jump on a call and let's talk.

581
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 2: You know, hour and a half, almost two hours later

582
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: the conversation, he's like, man, you know, I really feel

583
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 2: good about you. Let's take me go to my partners

584
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 2: and we don't take this to the next level.

585
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 3: So we had another interview.

586
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 2: He asked me some I gave him my coaches book

587
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 2: and after the second conversation, it was contract talks, trying.

588
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 3: To figure out the parameters of a contract. And here

589
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 3: I am.

590
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: So when you leave for Kate down to coach the team?

591
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: Was the was the roster already set?

592
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 7: Yeah?

593
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 3: I didn't.

594
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 2: I didn't get to buy the groceries. But they you know,

595
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 2: as you know, they expect you to cook it.

596
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 3: That Goro made me and.

597
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 2: I I saw the roster and I knew that I

598
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 2: could come up with a system that could fit the roster.

599
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: Who are your foreigners?

600
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 2: Our foreigners are Evans, Grand Palmo, uh Mike Binja, who

601
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 2: played a couple of years in the NBA.

602
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 3: The African foreigners.

603
00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 2: Right now, American foreigners are Josh Hall went undrafted out

604
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 2: of a high school I believe were really good player,

605
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 2: and zyr Wade, the Wade son, and so I looked

606
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 2: at it as a as a great, you know, opportunity man,

607
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 2: just to show that I can put this whole thing

608
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 2: together and uh figure it out, you know, from top

609
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 2: to bottom.

610
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 3: And you know, my experience last year in.

611
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 2: RGV with the Houston Rockets organization taught me this kind

612
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 2: of It gave me a real inside view of how

613
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 2: this analytics driven basketball is and it was really interesting.

614
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 2: It was really informative, and I knew I wanted to

615
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 2: take elements of that and included in my system, but

616
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 2: also take elements of what I hold you know, near

617
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 2: and dear to my heart, with the triangle and high

618
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 2: post offense that we both learned, you know, in our

619
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 2: early years, and I think we've had we have a

620
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 2: very good combination of the two. And so when you

621
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 2: watch us play, he has run some triangle, you'll see

622
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 2: us running some d h O. We'll get to the

623
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 2: second side and want to step ups and all these

624
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: different things with a lot of pace, And I think

625
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 2: just being able to mess it two has been a

626
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 2: really uh I've been It's been really exciting the experience

627
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 2: because I'm getting to bring all of the things I've

628
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 2: learned throughout my life and kind of throw them on

629
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 2: the on the table, and these guys have been so receptive.

630
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 2: It's just like, you know, we went to keep We

631
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 2: went to Cairo on one, two games, and against all odds,

632
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 2: we got it done on Saturday.

633
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,239
Speaker 1: Had you been to South Africa before? When you when

634
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: you first got there.

635
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 3: We've been to the never touch the continent at all.

636
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: Okay, so you touched out?

637
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 3: How much?

638
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: What'd you How much did you bring? How much stuff?

639
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 3: You bring? Too much? Probably like I have like five bags.

640
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 3: I had way too much stuff? All right?

641
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: So you show up kind of bougie, right, you got

642
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: like five bags, get all your gear. You went straight

643
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: to the height house. Then is that where you stay

644
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: when you first first?

645
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 3: Oh?

646
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 2: So this is a funny story. So they put me

647
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 2: in the park, right, they showed me this apartment. I

648
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 2: was like, looks okay, but let me see when I

649
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 2: get there. I gotta standard of living I've gotten used

650
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 2: to and I'll let you know. So I get into

651
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,719
Speaker 2: this apartment. I'm on FaceTime with my mom just you know,

652
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 2: it's nine hours ahead.

653
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 3: So I'm like, hey, you know, She's like, how do

654
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 3: you like it? I'm like, yeah, now.

655
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 2: Feel in this apartment. I'm gonna need them to get

656
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 2: me something else. And then all of a sudden, the

657
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 2: lights go out, so I'm like, I got to call

658
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 2: you back. So I hang up, and then there's a

659
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 2: knock on my door.

660
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 3: So, you know, me being an la kid, I thought

661
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 3: I was being set up.

662
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 2: So I go grab a butcher knife out of the

663
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 2: knife block and I opened the door and the manager

664
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,959
Speaker 2: from the apartment was coming to tell me about something

665
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 2: called load shed.

666
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 3: Load shedding in Johannesburg.

667
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 2: Means that in this area, for about two to four

668
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 2: hours a night, they cut the power off and if

669
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 2: you don't have a generator, the power doesn't come back on.

670
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 2: So I'm sitting in this apartment load shedding happens, and

671
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 2: they called the manager of the apartment to come tell

672
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 2: me about load shedding. And I answered the door with

673
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 2: a knife like Michael Myers about to chop this dude.

674
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,720
Speaker 1: Nobody told you what because that's basically a rolling blackout.

675
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: So I used to have the California. Thankfully you did

676
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: not stab anybody that I would have been good information

677
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: before the power went out.

678
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 2: Very much so before I would have probably picked a

679
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 2: place with the generator. But you know, I'm sure they

680
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 2: had a lot of stuff going on and just slipped

681
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 2: through the cracks. And so me being who I am,

682
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 2: I was, I stayed at the Hyatts all the time

683
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:38,959
Speaker 2: when I was a scout, So I have to hide

684
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 2: at to see there has to be a hide in

685
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 2: Satin City at the very minute.

686
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:45,959
Speaker 3: So I go on. There's a hight house.

687
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 2: Literally, this place is two blocks from the apartment they

688
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 2: put me in, so I called it Ober, put my stuff,

689
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 2: five of my bags, an uber, and I come over

690
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 2: the Highet house and I've been living in the hight

691
00:34:58,560 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 2: house everything.

692
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: Okay, So your first practice is how many days into

693
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: being there?

694
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 2: So my first practice was two days after? Yeah, two

695
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 2: days after I got here?

696
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 3: First practice?

697
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 1: And who's on your staff?

698
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 3: Coach Flash, he's the national team coach. And then coach Vince.

699
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 2: Who was one of the he's one of the like

700
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 2: really well known former pros from Cape Town and we're

701
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 2: in Johannesburg.

702
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 3: But he's one of the guys from Cape Town and

703
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 3: Coach Flash is very well respected coach.

704
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 2: He's the coach that got them through the qualifiers to.

705
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,280
Speaker 3: Get to BAA. So these are the guys on my staff.

706
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 2: I'm talking to me great coaches, and we've connected it

707
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 2: more than being coaches, as you know, we've connected as

708
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 2: like as friends and brothers at this point.

709
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 3: And so these guys have my back. I trust them,

710
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 3: trust him with my life. And so we have our

711
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 3: first practice.

712
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 2: First two practices, I wasn't I wasn't running everything.

713
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 3: I really took over in the third practice. And so

714
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 3: when I took over for that third practice.

715
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: First, are you observing and taking notes? Are you like,

716
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 1: what what are you doing? When pract got.

717
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 2: So, I was observing, the owner was running the practices.

718
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 2: He was kind of coaching the team.

719
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 3: At the time. The owner, Raphael Edwards, was kind.

720
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 2: Of hands on kind of coaching the team, was running practices,

721
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 2: and so I thought that we needed to do a

722
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 2: more structured practice that was more indicative of what you

723
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 2: would get in like the G League or in the NBA,

724
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 2: you know, more structured drills with times on them and

725
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 2: those kind of things that we could be more productive.

726
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 2: And so I took the practices over the third day

727
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 2: and the players they were with, Man, they were just

728
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 2: like they were like, Okay.

729
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 3: All right, it's gonna be there. We're gonna have a

730
00:36:58,440 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 3: lot of work to do.

731
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 2: And I could see what them running team, because all

732
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 2: I've known is running, you know, even the trying get

733
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 2: this misconception that it's the.

734
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 3: Stagnet stand still offense.

735
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 2: We were always in the top ten sometimes top seven

736
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:13,240
Speaker 2: and scoring.

737
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 3: In the NBA during fields and so.

738
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I took over and it was it was

739
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 2: high octane, it was high energy, and the guys did

740
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 2: a great job with it. Obviously they struggled with some

741
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 2: of the detail work because as you know, text.

742
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 3: Was a devil.

743
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 2: Would you say, the devil's in the details? Sure, And

744
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 2: so carried that part of what I learned in LA

745
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 2: with me, and so you know, it was a lot

746
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 2: of detail work, so a lot of physical work, but

747
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 2: also a lot of mental work.

748
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 3: And it took them a little time to get acclimated.

749
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 2: But when they once they got it, I mean the

750
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 2: way they were flowing and playing basketball. Once we got it,

751
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 2: I knew that we could contend at bal and win

752
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 2: ourselves a couple of games.

753
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: That was the practice at your arena or at a

754
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: different chip.

755
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 2: Oh no, I wouldn't quite call it an arena. It's

756
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 2: a place called Mandeville. So Mandeville is the home of

757
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 2: the wheelchair national team for South Africa, and so we

758
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 2: share that space with the wheelchair basketball team, which is

759
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 2: really cool because you get to see them go through

760
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 2: their training. We get to interact with them every day,

761
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 2: and they're one of the best teams on the continent.

762
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 3: So we're training at Mandeville.

763
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, obviously, now by the way, I like, Okay, it's

764
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 7: not the most you know, it's not that there's no heat,

765
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 7: there's no air conditioning, so it's not what you would

766
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 7: call state of the art facility, but it it is

767
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 7: really uh, it has a lot of history in it

768
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 7: and I really enjoy working there.

769
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 2: It's a really cool place to work. The caretaker, Steve,

770
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 2: is great. God takes great care of us and it's actually,

771
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 2: you know, it's really cool for me.

772
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 3: You know, I don't. I'm not.

773
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 2: I was a high school coach first, so I'm not.

774
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 2: You know, the gym, I just need.

775
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 3: To it's got to mines are there. Hey, let's go.

776
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 2: You know, we get the balls are still around, hoops

777
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 2: is still ten feet. They're not always straight. Sometimes we

778
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: have to straighten them out, make sure they lined up

779
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 2: with the nail. But to me, that's the Jewelven doing.

780
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 3: Jobs like this overseas.

781
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: Let's go to your first game as a head coach,

782
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: Homer road it was.

783
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 3: It was at BA L and you know, it was

784
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 3: basically a road game. We were in Cairo playing against

785
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 3: a team called Slack.

786
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 2: They had this three headed monsters of guards man that

787
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 2: were I watched them on tape. I'm like, God, I

788
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 2: know these dudes, this is gonna be tough. And they

789
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 2: have a hell of a coach.

790
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 3: I forgot coach's name obviously at the moment, but hell

791
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 3: of the coach.

792
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:50,439
Speaker 2: We connected at BA L in the hotel and man,

793
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: it was just a surreal moment to walk.

794
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: So you guys, for all these games, you guys all

795
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: go there, they all.

796
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 3: Go to Cairo.

797
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 2: It's almost like, hey, you we're all in Cairo. Every

798
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 2: team is staying at the Higher Regency. You know, they

799
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 2: have the banquet room setup where everybody has their own

800
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 2: table for their team. And every the same buffet. It's

801
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 2: actually a really cool environment because to me, this Basketball

802
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 2: Africa League is a brotherhood as much as we compete

803
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 2: and we want to, you know, beat the hell out

804
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 2: of each other, you know, it's a brotherhood of African nations.

805
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 2: And you know, honestly, for me, the teams that are

806
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,439
Speaker 2: the best teams are the ones that have the best

807
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 2: nationals and who get the most out of their nationals.

808
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 3: And that was a lesson that I really learned during

809
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 3: this first run in Cairo. And so.

810
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 2: The setup is really cool from that standpoint because you

811
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 2: get to I get to interact with every coach every day,

812
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 2: you know, I get to see them down in the

813
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 2: workout room and the times I was down working out,

814
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 2: and it was that part of it was really cool

815
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 2: to me because it reminded me of like the old

816
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 2: Vegas days.

817
00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: And you coolest to meal, you That.

818
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 3: Coolest meal I've had, I would have to say it

819
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 3: was when I was in.

820
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 2: So waiting until the coach flash and I had this

821
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 2: beef stew that you know, you're like, it's just beef stew.

822
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 2: I don't know what they spiced this beef stew with.

823
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 2: And I think I went back for like four plates

824
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 2: of it and it was just I mean, it was

825
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 2: just beef stew, but it was just I don't know,

826
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 2: it was just the love.

827
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 3: It was made with spices, but it was incredible.

828
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 2: And so they also have this meal here I think

829
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 2: it's called pop and it's like it almost looks like

830
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 2: mashed potatoes, but you get all these different flavors. They

831
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 2: make it in all these different ways. It's like a

832
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 2: South African traditional food. And I've had that and some

833
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 2: pretty incredible different iterations of that that have been really

834
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:53,280
Speaker 2: incredible as well.

835
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: First thing, you're gonna go eat when you get home.

836
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 3: First thing I'm gonna eat when I get home.

837
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 2: Oh man, hopefully I can go to my mom's house

838
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 2: and she can make me some of her shrimp posta.

839
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 3: But if not, you know, man, I'm an la boy. Man.

840
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 2: I'm going to in and out burden to get about

841
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 2: three double doubles, you know how that goes.

842
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: I just had one last night. I had I had

843
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: one last night. My daughter's like I'm going in now.

844
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: I was like, I had already dinner. I was like,

845
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: you know, I'll do a double level. This is just one,

846
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:25,919
Speaker 1: just one, just one will kill it. Okay, So now

847
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: this you've done so many different things. What's the next thing?

848
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 3: Man?

849
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 2: I hope honestly, you know, I'm going to probably interview

850
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 2: for a future league head coaching jobs in this next

851
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 2: month or so, and hopefully I've been the finalist I

852
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 2: think four times now and I didn't get it because

853
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 2: I didn't have head coaching experience. So I'm hoping that

854
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 2: this time, now that I've checked that box, that I'm

855
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 2: going to get the opportunity to maybe coach in the

856
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 2: G League or maybe even in college.

857
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 3: I'd even be able to, you know, an assistant coaching job.

858
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,479
Speaker 2: They coach the job in college, so I can start

859
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 2: down that path. But I think more likely in my

860
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 2: unique opportunity, and I'm going to interview for a couple.

861
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: Like I said in the weeks, there's been a bit

862
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: of a heated debate stage side over whether Steph Curry

863
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: is the greatest point guard ever. I think Steph Curry

864
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 1: is unbelievable. But we lived through Magic Johnson, the Magic

865
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: john Stra right, I mean twelve years, nine finals, five

866
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: five championships, and but more than anything, and again again

867
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 1: it's hard, they're different styles, but yes, Steph has changed

868
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: the game, But you and I remember that Magic did

869
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: as well, right because before Magic, the point guard was

870
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: always the smallest guy in the court, not the not

871
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: the big point guard, right, And that that changed, that

872
00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: ushered in that era. But now as a coach, and

873
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: I understand the position as evolved, Magic or Steph point guard?

874
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: Very different? Is Steph in that even discussion.

875
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 3: I think you have to put him in a discussion

876
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 3: because of his accomplishments.

877
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 2: For me, you know, Magic revolutionized the game in ways

878
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 2: that step is still benefitting from, you know, in terms

879
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 2: of the creativity with the passing and all those things.

880
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 2: But what I think Steph has done, and you know,

881
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 2: I almost wish it was in reverse and that Magic

882
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 2: came now and Steph was back then because you know,

883
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 2: I was more like a shooting point guard. Yeah, grow

884
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 2: you know that wasn't in vogue. And so I I

885
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 2: you know, I won't say I'm a major Johnson guy.

886
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 2: And it's not a knock on Steph. It's just that

887
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 2: I think Steph plays the position in a different way,

888
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 2: and I actually love that he's brought that to the game,

889
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,399
Speaker 2: because it's okay to be a point guard be able

890
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 2: to shoot when when we came up, it was almost like, oh,

891
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 2: you know, he's a two. You know, put him off

892
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 2: the ball because you can shoot. And I think some

893
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 2: of that happened to me at GW as well. And

894
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 2: they shoot it so well that they don't value the

895
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 2: way that you think the game and see the game

896
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 2: and the way you handle the point guard position.

897
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 3: And then you know a guy got so dynamic, like Chantay.

898
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 2: Rogers comes along, who was an unbelievable guard, but he

899
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 2: played the position so much differently than I did. He

900
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 2: fit more in the times because he was a real

901
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 2: good penetrator, got into the land, could kind of create

902
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 2: a shot whenever he wanted to get in the lane

903
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 2: whenever he wanted to. And I was more of a

904
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 2: guy who I would I ingested the playbook and I

905
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 2: would I knew how to dial up the right play

906
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:48,720
Speaker 2: for the right guy at the right time.

907
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:50,280
Speaker 3: And I think.

908
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 2: Steph has ushered that back then, back in that generated

909
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 2: ushered in a generation of point guards who are going

910
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 2: to be valued for playing that way. And he can

911
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 2: still get in to the land shaking bay and do

912
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 2: all the things he does, but he has that lethal jumper.

913
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 3: That's the great equalizer.

914
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 2: So I think we're looking at another revolution at the position.

915
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 3: So you have to put Steph in the conversation. And

916
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 3: for me, I just don't want to choose because I.

917
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 2: Love both of them and I love what they've done

918
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 2: for the game, and the joy that both of them

919
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 2: bring to the game is infectious because Steff plays with

920
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 2: the joy.

921
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: That's actually a part that I think doesn't get discussed

922
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: up is that Magic had that same thing that Steph

923
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 1: did Seth does where you just they play with a

924
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 1: smile on their face. Right, they play like they they're

925
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: still both killers.

926
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 3: At the same time.

927
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 2: Right, you see see step yanking his mouth beats out,

928
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,240
Speaker 2: like you know, talking crazy to the crowd.

929
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 3: So they they have this perfect.

930
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 2: Balance in their personalities and so I think it's a

931
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 2: it's a very accurate comparison. Only thing is different is

932
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 2: six ' nine and sixty three. You know another thing

933
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 2: people forget. You know, Steph is not a small point guard.

934
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 2: He's if you walk up to him and you're like, oh, okay,

935
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 2: you got some decent.

936
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 3: Size on you. You know, you.

937
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 2: Look small on TV standing next to Kevin Durant when

938
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 2: you're playing with him in Kevon Looney but and Klay Thompson,

939
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 2: But no, you got some good stature to you. And

940
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 2: so I definitely think Steph belongs in the conversation because

941
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 2: he's a revolutionary player.

942
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: What would you want somebody to know about your dad

943
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: as a coach, as a as a man. I think

944
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: we've represented him pretty well as a coach. What would

945
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,479
Speaker 1: what would what would you say?

946
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 3: Now?

947
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: As a coach made him special?

948
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 3: He doesn't get enough credit.

949
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,959
Speaker 2: His second year at UCLA is when the three point

950
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 2: line was and you can go back and read for

951
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 2: Jim Murray wrote called Walk in the Rainbow Warriors. My

952
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 2: dad was one of the first coaches to weaponize the

953
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 2: three point and out of basketball. You remember my dad

954
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 2: brought Kevin Walker in sure Stretch five. It was one

955
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 2: of the first ones that had the six eleven dude

956
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 2: out at the top shooting the three. I don't think

957
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 2: my dad gets enough credit for the creative mind that

958
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 2: he brought to the college game. He also was one

959
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 2: of the people who helped to create who is Reggie

960
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 2: Miller today? Because I was tarreed Reggie when you get

961
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 2: off the bus, you're open, so you know Reggie was

962
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 2: shooting those Steph Curry bombs. People forget one step over

963
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 2: half quarter at UCLA.

964
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 3: That was my dad. My dad was Mark.

965
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 2: Jackson putting that battery in play and steps back as

966
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 2: rookies and second year players.

967
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 3: My dad was that guy back in his.

968
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 2: Day putting that battery and Reggie's back and Kevin Walker's back,

969
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 2: and Charles Roslyn, you know, Eric Canada out of Toronto,

970
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,720
Speaker 2: you know coming in there shooting the three at six eight.

971
00:48:58,440 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 3: And it was crazy, right.

972
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 2: I don't I don't think my dad Monteil Hatcher shade

973
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 2: em that he.

974
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 3: Let shoot the ball. And I think he gets.

975
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 2: Enough credit for how creative he was as a as

976
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 2: a coach and revolutionizing using the three pointer as a weapon.

977
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 3: I don't think he gets enough credit for that at all.

978
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 1: Well, look, I know you, we have a life, you

979
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:24,720
Speaker 1: got work to do. I want to do another one.

980
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,399
Speaker 1: We'll do. We'll do more topics and more things you learned.

981
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: But I cannot tell you how ready it was to

982
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 1: connect and I want to want to hear about how

983
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: well you guys do in the playoffs. I truly appreciate

984
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:34,479
Speaker 1: your time.

985
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 3: Thank you, Doug Man. It's always a pleasure. Man.

986
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 2: We've been brothers and friends since we were ten years old.

987
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 3: Man, And it's just surreal that we're having this moment

988
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 3: where we're.

989
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 2: Doing a podcast talking about the things we both accomplished

990
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,760
Speaker 2: throughout our lives and sharing this moment.

991
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 3: This uh, this is and Khalil was just here. He

992
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 3: flew through Johannesburg to go to Cape Town and to

993
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 3: do this, and he was just cracking up like man.

994
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 3: So maybe next time you get the both of us on,

995
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 3: let's do it.

996
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,280
Speaker 1: Let's let's do it. We new music too, So here.

997
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 3: This winner of six Grammys. At this point, I know.

998
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: All this other stuff like, hey he went six gramms.

999
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 3: Excuse me?

1000
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:24,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's in Cape Town working with the biggest

1001
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 2: artists in the South Africa, guy named Nasty Sea. So

1002
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 2: they flew him out here to help this guy put

1003
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 2: his album together. That's how big time he's become. So

1004
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 2: we definitely the three of us have to do this

1005
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 2: next time.

1006
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: I'm in. I'm in.

1007
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 3: Thank you all right too? Talk here.

1008
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: What a great way to wrap up our combo with

1009
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 1: Rashid hazard. We got to do more of that and

1010
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: it I hope it makes you pay attention to what

1011
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 1: ba L is doing, what Rashid is doing, and it's

1012
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: interesting all the people who he came into contact with

1013
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 1: along his path. I'm Dog Gottlieb. This is album