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Speaker 1: It's considered one of the eagles most famous songs, Welcome

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Speaker 1: to California. But the Eagles were not singing about a

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Speaker 1: Eagles are suing the Mexican hotel for trademark infringement, claiming

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Speaker 1: the band's name. Our guest is Dr Michael Harrington, a

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Speaker 1: Michael described the Eagles trademark infringement case. It's, I think

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Speaker 1: though the hotel in Baja Mexico is called Hotel California,

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Speaker 1: n it long ago lost that name, a changed ownership

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Speaker 1: So I think that's probably what led to lead to this. Well, Michael,

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Speaker 1: it'd be interesting to see if the Eagles have a

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Speaker 1: I know right now they've applied for one this year

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Speaker 1: and it covers oh, guitar picks, key chains, t shirts,

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