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Speaker 1: The Packers in forty nine ers and maybe not move
Speaker 1: to Sunday. We've done it before on a Thursday night game.
Speaker 1: I'd like to see these teams as close to full
Speaker 1: strength as possible. Obviously, the Niners have had more injuries
Speaker 1: or lost players to more games due to injury than
Speaker 1: any other team, and one hundred and twenty four not
Speaker 1: even close. Next closest I think of the Philadelphia Eagles,
Speaker 1: but you have this game coming up tonight. Packers don't
Speaker 1: have running backs, the Niners don't have wide receivers, and
Speaker 1: green Bay goes in. Green Bay used the rebounds after
Speaker 1: they lose a game, and after losing to Minnesota, you
Speaker 1: would expect them to win. What happens if they don't
Speaker 1: win tonight? What happens if the Niners continue to run
Speaker 1: the football at the Green Bay Packers. This was one
Speaker 1: of those games where you looked at Thursday night and
Speaker 1: Thursday Night became really attractive this week when the season
Speaker 1: started because you got a rematch of the NFC title game.
Speaker 1: The Packers are favored by seven against the Niners. We'll
Speaker 1: check in with the Niners coming up. Phone calls always welcome.
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Speaker 1: McLevin at the end of last hour said, interesting poll results.
Speaker 1: I asked the question should this game be played tonight?
Speaker 1: I'm going to guess that America once this game played tonight. McLevin,
Speaker 1: you are correct. Seventy eight percent say yes. But I
Speaker 1: agree with you. It's not fair you're not seeing the
Speaker 1: real Niners. Well, I think if you're an NFL fan,
Speaker 1: you're saying I'd rather see a watered down version of
Speaker 1: these two teams than no football tonight. Now, you do
Speaker 1: have college football tonight Utah State, Nevada, Wyoming, and Colorado State.
Speaker 1: But if I would like to see both of these
Speaker 1: teams as close to full strength as possible, you're you've
Speaker 1: lost some marquee players. You know, Garoppolo is not going
Speaker 1: to be playing due to an ankle injury and not
Speaker 1: going to be playing for quite some time. But I
Speaker 1: would like to if if it meant moving to Sunday
Speaker 1: or Monday, would that be a more fair approach to
Speaker 1: this game? That That would be the only question I
Speaker 1: had for the NFL. Yes, poet, as mclems say, it's
Speaker 1: not fair. It's not fair to the Niners, are not
Speaker 1: fair to us as consumers. I don't think it's fair
Speaker 1: to either team. Like the Packers are going out there
Speaker 1: without any running back. But their their behavior, their decisions
Speaker 1: got them to where they are, or whatever they did
Speaker 1: wrong or right, you know, into what the protocols got
Speaker 1: them to where they are. They're both in the same boat. Well,
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that you were doing something they shouldn't
Speaker 1: have done. You could have come in contact with somebody
Speaker 1: here and it's not your fault. No, But I'm saying
Speaker 1: that they they you know, the NFL is being fair
Speaker 1: to those two teams and scheduling when they are. They're
Speaker 1: both in a jam. It's not like there's not an
Speaker 1: offensive lineman to be had. Well, why did they move
Speaker 1: the Patriots game a couple of weeks ago? I think
Speaker 1: they had more flexibility a couple of weeks ago, and
Speaker 1: mclevann's in the first hour. They don't want to get
Speaker 1: two backed up here if they don't have to. Yeah, McClellan,
Speaker 1: I think it's it's night and day. The difference for
Speaker 1: the Niner who cares about running back. It's twenty twenty NFL.
Speaker 1: I feel like the Packers are much less handicapped the Niners.
Speaker 1: They know no receivers. Trent Williams is out and they're
Speaker 1: already without their started quarterback and the best players George Kittle.
Speaker 1: It's a disaster. Yeah, I just think it's a bad
Speaker 1: look for the NFL. The NFL wants to put a
Speaker 1: good product out there, not hey, we're just gonna Hey,
Speaker 1: let's test Americans see if they'll watch any kind of football. Yep,
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Speaker 1: or online. This caught my attention. Sham's Sharania. He is
Speaker 1: a great NBA insider. He says that quote. I'm told
Speaker 1: Philadelphia is expected to be interested in and pursue James Harden.
Speaker 1: Now there's a report that Harden moving from Houston, or
Speaker 1: Houston would move on from him, is currently a non starter.
Speaker 1: And then I started to think, well, you're not going
Speaker 1: to get hardened Ben Simmons and Joe lmb if you're Houston.
Speaker 1: And I said, you could have Ben Simmons and throw
Speaker 1: in somebody else for James Harden. Would you do that, Philadelphia?
Speaker 1: I get why they would want to do this, But
Speaker 1: Doc Rivers just got there, and I thought all along,
Speaker 1: Doc just wanted to see those two together, Ben Simmons,
Speaker 1: Joe l embiid and see what they could do with
Speaker 1: that roster. Now they're in cap purgatory because I think
Speaker 1: Tobias Harris makes almost as much as James Harden does.
Speaker 1: That's a problem. Tobias Harris nice player. James Harden is
Speaker 1: a first ballot Hall of Famer. Now, if you said
Speaker 1: I could trade Tobias Harris for James Harden, I would
Speaker 1: do that right now. But you got to dump some
Speaker 1: salary here. You got Al Horford at a hundred million.
Speaker 1: I forgot about that. Yes, yes, the Al Horford deal.
Speaker 1: But if I if I'm Doc Rivers and I could
Speaker 1: bring James Harden to the East with Joe lmbid. It's
Speaker 1: weird because when you play with Harden, you watch hard
Speaker 1: a lot, and I don't know if Joe lmbiad is
Speaker 1: going to be keen on that Ben Simmons doesn't shoot.
Speaker 1: It almost feels like Ben Simmons and James Harden. To me,
Speaker 1: makes more sense. One shoots, one doesn't. One is a slasher.
Speaker 1: I mean, Ben Simmons can get to the rim. He's
Speaker 1: a good defensive player. I would get rid of Joe
Speaker 1: lmbiid and I would keep Ben Simmons if I could
Speaker 1: get James Harden. Now, I don't know if Houston went
Speaker 1: to entertained that. If I'm Houston, we're not gonna win anything,
Speaker 1: But you know we still have a team that people
Speaker 1: are interested in watching. James Harden is must see TV.
Speaker 1: The problem is you can't trade Russell Westbrook Junior the
Speaker 1: third because that contract and his age. He still can't shoot.
Speaker 1: And in today's NBA now he's a liability. He wants
Speaker 1: to shoot, where Ben Simmons doesn't want to shoot. The
Speaker 1: problem is Russ he thinks he can shoot. And if
Speaker 1: I have if I have James Harden and Ben Simmons,
Speaker 1: I know Ben will be. He'll do other things and
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to handle the ball. He can and
Speaker 1: he is great. You know, if you get him full court,
Speaker 1: he goes downhill, he can get to the hoop and
Speaker 1: I would just say, look, I want you to concentrate
Speaker 1: on doing all these other things. Now, I don't think
Speaker 1: Houston trades James Harden. I wouldn't, but if I can
Speaker 1: get Joe ellen Bead and something, I guess I would
Speaker 1: entertain it. But you can't trade Westbrook. But the fact
Speaker 1: that Philadelphia is expected to be interested in and pursue
Speaker 1: James Harden the we're interested in, but now you're pursuing
Speaker 1: that got my attention. With Cham's with his report, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Pauli al Horford's thirty four years old, the forward for
Speaker 1: the seventy six ers. He's averaging about eleven and seven. Yeah,
Speaker 1: guess what he's getting paid the next four seasons twenty
Speaker 1: eight million, twenty eight million, twenty eight million, twenty eight
Speaker 1: million guarunteed no way out. What is Tobias Harris making?
Speaker 1: Does he make like thirty five million dollars a year? Yeah? Mclo.
Speaker 1: But I think that Sixer's view, Embiad is the untouchable.
Speaker 1: I don't think they would do embiid for Harden because, like,
Speaker 1: he's one of the most talented big men ever, Like
Speaker 1: there's something there, you know, siwise scares something there. But
Speaker 1: I know what I get with James Harden. I don't
Speaker 1: know what I have with Joe ll embad because there
Speaker 1: are games where you go, God, is he talented? But
Speaker 1: it just feels like each week I'm seeing a different
Speaker 1: Joe l Embiid. I'm not quite sure, and I don't
Speaker 1: think he I don't know if he gets along with
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons. I don't want to say he doesn't, but
Speaker 1: it feels like there's a lack of chemistry there. And
Speaker 1: if I have embiid in Houston, but then I don't
Speaker 1: know how Westbrook would would react to something like that,
Speaker 1: because you know, they went all in to get Westbrook
Speaker 1: in Houston. They traded away their future to get Westbrook there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Sixers, Tobias Harris next four seasons thirty three million,
Speaker 1: thirty six million, thirty nine million, forty one million guaranteed.
Speaker 1: Isn't it amazing that the NBA has this deal or
Speaker 1: had these deals where you have guys that you would
Speaker 1: not watch if they were playing in your driveway. You
Speaker 1: wouldn't you You wouldn't. Is it raining out? No? Okay, May,
Speaker 1: I'd probably watch if Tobias Harris was in my driveway,
Speaker 1: if he was shooting hoops in your driveway uniform. Yes,
Speaker 1: is there anything else on TV? Mac Macoto, good point.
Speaker 1: You'd take a peek for a couple of minutes. I
Speaker 1: would just look the blinders, I would. I would just
Speaker 1: take a peek see his shooting form. That's yet. Other
Speaker 1: than that, I met his dad, you know, had had
Speaker 1: to sat down how to drink with his dad. Didn't
Speaker 1: know it was his dad. And we're watching when we're
Speaker 1: in the Los Angeles, I'm at the bar, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden he's in there watching his son, you know,
Speaker 1: on TV. And we struck up conversation and I really
Speaker 1: liked him with the Clippers, but I don't really like
Speaker 1: him for thirty eight forty million dollars crazy, told Bias
Speaker 1: Harris or throw out any of these guys. John Wall,
Speaker 1: for God's sakes, is gonna make forty seven million dollars.
Speaker 1: I think, what is that next year? If John Wall
Speaker 1: was in the man Cave right now and said you
Speaker 1: want to shoot some hoops, I don't know if I would.
Speaker 1: It's just a little pick up. No, yeah, see, now
Speaker 1: you're not being truthful. That's not true. I would go
Speaker 1: out just to see a shooting for him, and that's it.
Speaker 1: You'd tell him, I would critique it. You know, your
Speaker 1: handles are a little spotty, but these salaries are crazy. Yes,
Speaker 1: you're the only what you always always talked about Tobias
Speaker 1: Harris back when he was I tranked him when he
Speaker 1: was if I could get him for twelve million dollars.
Speaker 1: I really loved Tobias Harris came in the morning. I
Speaker 1: was like, you mean Gary Harris. I was like, I
Speaker 1: didn't even know who you're talking about. He's gonna if
Speaker 1: you say he is paid thirty eight million dollars at
Speaker 1: some point, it's gonna be eighteen percent less of that
Speaker 1: thirty eight million. Now it's more of a bargain. Yeah, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: isn't the face of it always Alan Krab though, you know,
Speaker 1: poor Alan Krab, he's a new John Koncak. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: Bully Chris Paul is making thirty eight million this upcoming season.
Speaker 1: Thirty eight million. I know he's still a good player. Uh.
Speaker 1: Kyle Lowry's making thirty five, Blake Griffin's making thirty five mil.
Speaker 1: Tobias Harris is the tenth highest paid player in the
Speaker 1: entire NBA. He makes more than Jimmy Butler, Kawhi, Leonard,
Speaker 1: Clay Thompson, Gordon Hayward's making thirty three million. It's just
Speaker 1: Paul Millsap's making thirty one million. I mean it's it's incredible.
Speaker 1: And I know you you have this tea the deal,
Speaker 1: and you only have to pay a certain number of players,
Speaker 1: and that's why you have these exorbitant salaries. Man Otto
Speaker 1: Porter Junior's making twenty nine million, and rightfully so, can
Speaker 1: you tell me what team he's one? Went and out
Speaker 1: A wizard that's always by the way, Alcraft made eighteen
Speaker 1: point five last year. I know he's a margin, and
Speaker 1: at eighteen million dollars a year. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: a team now though, just the man. That's what what
Speaker 1: is John Wall gonna make at the end of this
Speaker 1: uh salary or this contract? Forty seven million dollars a year.
Speaker 1: I think that's correct. He's two years away from God.
Speaker 1: Harrison Barnes has made a solid living for himself. If
Speaker 1: Harrison Barnes was outside shooting hoops, I would not go
Speaker 1: outside fair, I just I wouldn't. No offense, no offense, Yeah,
Speaker 1: no offense. Yeah, no offense. You're just saying you wouldn't
Speaker 1: walk fifty feet to watch him. No, Oh, you thought
Speaker 1: I said no offense. It was no offense. Big difference there. Yes,
Speaker 1: with club Harrison Barnes, I would think, is he a Maverick? Now?
Speaker 1: That guy jumps around a lot. Let's play the Harrison
Speaker 1: Barnes even more. Anonymous. Okay, Paul, I want to guess Sacramento.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, sac Is that where he is? Still? Okay?
Speaker 1: Because I watched my Sacramento Kings, give you a good
Speaker 1: SID eighteen and seven. I even watched the Sacramento Kings
Speaker 1: and I didn't remember Harrison Barnes being on the Sacramento Kings.
Speaker 1: He has ton if he has you to shoot around
Speaker 1: right outside they Now I'm good. You'd say maybe some
Speaker 1: other time, who knows what he's gonna be back in
Speaker 1: town to the Connecticut even if I haven't gotten my nap,
Speaker 1: then no, I'm not going to go outside and play.
Speaker 1: But but if you how many players would you truly
Speaker 1: sit and watch in a game? If I said you
Speaker 1: got to watch a game, how many players would you
Speaker 1: do that? In the NBA? Yeah? See, am I already
Speaker 1: in the city or do I have to travel to it? No,
Speaker 1: you're just watching on TV. Are you just watching on TV? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll make it easy on you. When I turned the
Speaker 1: TV out, is the channel already on that game? Or
Speaker 1: is it on another game and have to switch channels? No,
Speaker 1: it's there for you. So you turn the TV on,
Speaker 1: it's already on. Now you have to choose to turn
Speaker 1: away from it. Yes? Am I allowed to go one
Speaker 1: time through the channels and then come back. No, I
Speaker 1: can't go through the guide. No, early season, I would
Speaker 1: like to watch an entire game of Kyrie Irving and
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant yet with the nets. Okay, that would be
Speaker 1: my if there was all the games on for the
Speaker 1: first day of the NBA season and that was one
Speaker 1: of the games, that's a game I would lock on. Okay,
Speaker 1: but how many players would you actually tune in to
Speaker 1: watch a game? Yes? Mc wait, nobody in this room
Speaker 1: watch Kyrie with what team was you on last year
Speaker 1: where he played like thirty games with the nets? Like,
Speaker 1: he's not a mustoon after the those two together. The
Speaker 1: most boring guy there is, He's not much watch either.
Speaker 1: He's at eighteen foot jumper. I wat Zion left all
Speaker 1: Zion all day? Okay, okay, so Zion is one we
Speaker 1: can all agree on. Net Luca Dunn, Chick, the return
Speaker 1: of Steph Curry, James Harden. Now you gotta watch the game,
Speaker 1: the whole game. Oh no, no, no, not James Harden.
Speaker 1: I know if I watched the first two minutes, I've
Speaker 1: seen the whole game, twenty seven foul shots. Okay. I'd
Speaker 1: rather watch videos of James Harden dancing on the bench
Speaker 1: than I would actually. Okay, that's a lot of How
Speaker 1: about Trey Young? Anybody interested? Yes? Time like Trey Any
Speaker 1: love for Jamal Murray and Donovan Mitchell after what they
Speaker 1: did in the bubble or you're not going to spend
Speaker 1: the time, not a whole game, Donovan Mitchell, really good player,
Speaker 1: not watching the whole game. Yeah, you're gonna watch Lamello.
Speaker 1: I'm telling everyone they're gonna watch LaMelo because of his
Speaker 1: dad and all the hype and ESPN is gonna turn
Speaker 1: him into a star. Okay, they couldn't turn Lonzo into
Speaker 1: a star, but he's different the Lonzo. He's been famous
Speaker 1: for a long time. But why would you watch the
Speaker 1: kid because of his dad, because he's like the news
Speaker 1: all the time. Yeah, but they're gonna have a camera
Speaker 1: on his dad while the kids playing, so you can
Speaker 1: see them at this neame awareness. I mean, I'd be
Speaker 1: curious to start the season with Lamello. I will be. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Point the problem with LaMelo Ball he's kind of the
Speaker 1: opposite of Zion Zion. We saw thirty one national TV
Speaker 1: games at Duke and he became Brandon what he could
Speaker 1: do now. I want to see this at the next level.
Speaker 1: LaMelo Ball is a guy who's more mystery. He's playing
Speaker 1: in Lithuania against uh, you know, a bunch of guys.
Speaker 1: No one's seen him play except for YouTube, so it's
Speaker 1: he's different. He's a mystery, but it's not. He's not
Speaker 1: hot like Zion was. Yeah, I mean Zion was already established.
Speaker 1: He was a brand before he got to the NBA. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Mc LaMelo has five point six million Instagram followers. Well great,
Speaker 1: I mean it's huge. He's an international star already. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's just like, yeah, he's got the name. When you
Speaker 1: see an international star, will he be a national star?
Speaker 1: I have no idea, But dame another, No one's gonna
Speaker 1: tuted for Anthony Edwards. No, they're not, or James Wiseman.
Speaker 1: But but I you know, we were talking about established players.
Speaker 1: I'll turn in. I'll tune in to see Lebron Lebron, definitely.
Speaker 1: I don't turn into tune in to see Kawai. Kawai's boring.
Speaker 1: Yes to Jimmy Butler. Not a whole game, yes, this moment, No,
Speaker 1: I would tune in. I would. I would include his
Speaker 1: entire team. I loved watching the Heat this year, and
Speaker 1: I would that might be played out right now. I
Speaker 1: got moved on Tyler, Hero and Duncan Robinson gore drog
Speaker 1: Bam out of Bio. I like the whole team. But no,
Speaker 1: I'm not tuning in to see Jimmy Butler, Just Jimmy Button.
Speaker 1: You gotta watch the entire game. It's it's not one
Speaker 1: of those Hey, I'm gonna watch first quarter, first half,
Speaker 1: watch the highlights. You don't get that luxury like the
Speaker 1: Greek freak. You tuning in to watch the Greek freak.
Speaker 1: Fred van Vliet, Pascal Siakam Yes, Jason Tatum, a young guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like who really captures your imagination? Where you go? God,
Speaker 1: I can't wait to watch this. You're trying to get
Speaker 1: ready for the season. Are we're showing Lucas on the
Speaker 1: must watch list next year? He's kind of a slog
Speaker 1: to watch, a slog. He's a twenty foul shot, a
Speaker 1: game guy too. He's got a lot of hardened I
Speaker 1: he's probably gotten to the level of you plug in numbers,
Speaker 1: like you're not seeing anything that's amazing, you know. I
Speaker 1: think that the reason why that there was a fascination
Speaker 1: or a brief fascination, is he hit that shot against
Speaker 1: the Clippers and it was like, oh my God, and
Speaker 1: then he put up these incredible numbers, and the fact
Speaker 1: that the Clippers were trying to taunt him and rough
Speaker 1: him up. Then it became really interesting to see how
Speaker 1: he was going to handle that. But you're right, I
Speaker 1: mean Luca. If you say Luca's going to go twenty seven,
Speaker 1: nine and nine this year, it'll be a couple of
Speaker 1: games where you go, oh my god, you see that
Speaker 1: triple double Steph Curry Stills, you know Musty too. There's
Speaker 1: probably Damian Lillard. I would watch Damian Lillard. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: a club for a guy like Luca wins a championship though,
Speaker 1: which is very very possible that that makes him must
Speaker 1: watch in a way. Right. I don't think Dirk was
Speaker 1: must see TV and they won a title. I don't know.
Speaker 1: They're just certain players that are really good. But it
Speaker 1: doesn't there's no tune in factor there. Yes, Hume Joker
Speaker 1: is very much like that. He's good athletic for a
Speaker 1: big guy, but he's not someone you want to watch
Speaker 1: for fourton wor maybe not even two quarters. No, No,
Speaker 1: that's the guy that I want to see highlights of
Speaker 1: and I'll look at the box score. But I don't
Speaker 1: I mean a Chris bounced pass, backdoor pass. I mean
Speaker 1: it's nice. I just I'm a busy guy. I got
Speaker 1: other things to do. But This is a weird conversation
Speaker 1: because I'll text you in on a Tuesday night different
Speaker 1: and you're watching the SEC Kings against Charlotte. Yes, I
Speaker 1: have a sickness. You almost didn't feel like it's a duty?
Speaker 1: Yes you said duty. Yeah, yes, yes, Tudd, I went
Speaker 1: duty and went to Hey Todd, I saw you. Okay,
Speaker 1: you're done. Oh I think you had something to say.
Speaker 1: I just got a jumping on me a duty comment. Okay,
Speaker 1: thank you, Tod. All right, so we'll check in with
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers. Should this game be played tonight?
Speaker 1: Are we staying with that pole question? McLevin? We have
Speaker 1: some other options. We could go into the well you
Speaker 1: just asked, who would you rather have Ben Simmons or
Speaker 1: James Harden thirty one versus twenty three? Well, but you
Speaker 1: have to ask that from the Sixers with James Harden
Speaker 1: or the Rockets, Like are you asking if you're the Rockets,
Speaker 1: do you want Ben Simmons or James Harden. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: more interesting from the Sixers standpoint because they have a
Speaker 1: new coach and you know, I mean, if you want
Speaker 1: to throw that up there. Or we could get into
Speaker 1: the Whoshia tank who like I'm curious like the Vikings,
Speaker 1: like do you not tank? But who should? Because they
Speaker 1: have a really talented rookie wide receiver and they have
Speaker 1: Delvin Cook. I don't know if they can tank unless
Speaker 1: they replace Kirk d Cousins. But I you know, it's
Speaker 1: not a great team, but they do have If you
Speaker 1: say these are the building blocks, we got a legit
Speaker 1: running back and a legit wide receiver. You know, maybe
Speaker 1: theeland's not there much longer. Maybe you're looking for a
Speaker 1: tight end down the road. Is Mike Zimmer the right
Speaker 1: coach for this team as you move forward? Like, I
Speaker 1: don't know those things, but I can't see the Vikings
Speaker 1: tanking with those two guys in the lineup. We'll also
Speaker 1: here from Antonio Brown coming up in a little bit.
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Speaker 1: Eight seven seven three DP show. Dallas Cowboys are thirteen
Speaker 1: and a half point underdogs against the Pittsburgh Steelers. The
Speaker 1: over under is forty two for entertainment purposes only. The
Speaker 1: Cowboys have yet to cover the spread in their first
Speaker 1: eight games of the season. They have failed to cover
Speaker 1: buy an average of ten points per game, and they
Speaker 1: could be the first team in modern NFL history to
Speaker 1: start oh and nine versus the spread. It seems like
Speaker 1: a big number. Pittsburgh, by the way, six and one
Speaker 1: record against the spread, and their games have hit the
Speaker 1: over in five out of seven opportunities this season, Dallas
Speaker 1: averaging twenty three points they surrender thirty three points. By
Speaker 1: the way, Dallas has not scored a touchdown in two games.
Speaker 1: Other than that, everything's fine here. You got the game
Speaker 1: coming up tonight. I wonder why it's being played, but
Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers insider for NBC Sports Bay Area
Speaker 1: will have better answers than I do. Matt Mayoko, who's
Speaker 1: in his twenty sixth year covering the forty nine Ers, Matt,
Speaker 1: thanks for joining us. Why are they playing this game? Tonight. Well,
Speaker 1: because it's the NFL, and the NFL can do whatever
Speaker 1: the heck it wants, and they want to play football
Speaker 1: on a Thursday night. Hey Dan, some late breaking news here.
Speaker 1: My colleague at NBC Sports by Area, Jennifer lee Chan,
Speaker 1: reports that there were no positive test results from the
Speaker 1: forty nine ers, and even the player who tested positive yesterday,
Speaker 1: Kendrick Bourne, tested negative. So those players won't be available
Speaker 1: to play in tonight's game. Had it been a Sunday game,
Speaker 1: they would be able to play. But that might give
Speaker 1: you a little bit indication there too, is that you know,
Speaker 1: they don't, at least at this point, believe that there's
Speaker 1: some outbreak going on with the forty nine ers. Have
Speaker 1: they been able to practice? They had a practice win
Speaker 1: Tuesday night, and then after the building was cleared last night,
Speaker 1: they had a very brief walk through. So it's a
Speaker 1: Thursday game, and so generally teams don't do a whole
Speaker 1: lot of practicing before a Thursday game, but they did
Speaker 1: their meetings on Zoom yesterday and then a very brief
Speaker 1: get together for a walk through last night. We see
Speaker 1: this with teams that go to the Super Bowl lose
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl there's a super Bowl hangover. But how
Speaker 1: do you explain what's happened to the Niners this year?
Speaker 1: I tell you what you know, speaking from experience, I've
Speaker 1: never had a hangover anything like what the forty nine
Speaker 1: ers are experiencing. I mean, we're talking, and I don't
Speaker 1: know if you can put it on the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I think there might have been a little bit of
Speaker 1: a mindset, you know, going into this season, of hey,
Speaker 1: let's just get back to the Super Bowl win at
Speaker 1: this time, which isn't really I don't think the mindset
Speaker 1: you want. But when you're talking about twelve players on
Speaker 1: injured reserve, and those are significant players, two more will
Speaker 1: be going on Jimmy Garoppolo and George Kittle, you have
Speaker 1: two players on the PUP list, four players on the
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen list. So when you look at the team
Speaker 1: that's suiting up tonight, theoretically suiting up tonight, compared to
Speaker 1: the team that played the Packers in the NFC Championship game,
Speaker 1: it bears no resemblance. So you can't necessarily expect, you know,
Speaker 1: a team without Richard Sherman, without Nick Bosa, without DeForrest
Speaker 1: Buckner who was traded away without Garoppolo, Kittle, without their
Speaker 1: top three running backs. I mean, I could go on
Speaker 1: and on and on. You can't expect a team like that,
Speaker 1: compared to what the team looked like last year, to
Speaker 1: just pick right up and steamroll through the NFC. So
Speaker 1: there are four and four right now, which puts them
Speaker 1: in the race. But I just don't know who they're
Speaker 1: gonna You know, they're gonna be relying on Nick Mullins
Speaker 1: and Jamichael Hasty tonight and Ross Dwelli at tight end,
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys you've never heard of. So you
Speaker 1: definitely need a program tonight, even if you're a Niners fan. Yes,
Speaker 1: at some point I will be posting like a list
Speaker 1: on Twitter of numbers and players because I mean myself included.
Speaker 1: But they're all a lot of fans tuning in who
Speaker 1: have no idea who might be touching the ball. And
Speaker 1: another added element of this, not one player from that
Speaker 1: NFC Championship game who touched the ball for the forty
Speaker 1: nine ers on offense will be suiting up tonight other
Speaker 1: than that center, by the way, that includes the center.
Speaker 1: When Garoppolo is good, is he great? Can he be great?
Speaker 1: I think when he's good. He's good, you know, And
Speaker 1: that's kind of the issue I think with him is, man,
Speaker 1: you know what, if you're talking about going forward for
Speaker 1: next season with a cap that's going down, with a
Speaker 1: salary expected to be you know, he'll be twenty five
Speaker 1: million next year. You know, I just I don't look
Speaker 1: at him right now. Is that player as a quarterback
Speaker 1: who enables Kyle Shanahan to just say, oh, this is great.
Speaker 1: He does all the things I need him to do
Speaker 1: and more so we can put more on his play.
Speaker 1: To me, it's kind of I mean, just look at
Speaker 1: the playoffs last year, where you know, he wasn't asked
Speaker 1: to throw, and in that MC championship game he only
Speaker 1: dropped back eight times. So I think there's an element
Speaker 1: of the forty nine ers offense of running the ball,
Speaker 1: running the ball, running the ball, And that's a lot
Speaker 1: by necessity, because you know, I just don't know that
Speaker 1: he's the kind of quarterback he just put it on
Speaker 1: his shoulders. I mean Dan Frankly at the end of
Speaker 1: the twenty seventeen season, when he had been with the
Speaker 1: team for just a couple of weeks and he stepped
Speaker 1: into the lineup and played some really good football in
Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers had a bad team that year.
Speaker 1: They had only had one win up to that point.
Speaker 1: They end up winning the final five games of the season.
Speaker 1: That Jimmy Garoppolo is a heck of a lot like
Speaker 1: the Jimmy Garoppolo that we saw last year, and even
Speaker 1: with the healthy games this year. My point being that
Speaker 1: with Kyle Shanahan, he would expect his quarterback to go
Speaker 1: like Matt Ryan, you know, like good one year and
Speaker 1: then great the next. That maturation, that improvement we never
Speaker 1: saw from Jimmy Garoppolo. If I said to Kyle Shanahan,
Speaker 1: you can trade Jimmy Garoppolo straight up for Matt Ryan,
Speaker 1: I think that deal's made. Yeah. And I'd even go
Speaker 1: so far as to say Kirk Cousins. I mean, wow,
Speaker 1: Kyle lights Kirk Cousins. You know, Kyle had his mindset
Speaker 1: on Kirk Cousins getting him as a free agent for
Speaker 1: the twenty eighteen season, and then Bill Belichick basically gift
Speaker 1: wrapped Garoppolo. And I mean, Jimmy's Jimmy's a good player.
Speaker 1: He had a good season last year, but he just
Speaker 1: he hasn't taken that next step and you know, some
Speaker 1: of it. You can. You can place on the injury
Speaker 1: issue this year, two different high ankle sprains. But I
Speaker 1: just don't know that that he functions and Kyle Shanahan's
Speaker 1: offense way Shannahan wants him to function. I know you're
Speaker 1: a Pro Football Hall of Fame voter. If Antonio Brown
Speaker 1: did not come back and play football, how would the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame selection committee view Antonio Brown's career. That's
Speaker 1: a good question. Um, you know we would. Certainly I
Speaker 1: would look at it based on who he's up against. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, you look at there's so many guys out there.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't I wouldn't consider him a slam dunk. But
Speaker 1: I don't know that. You know we would as a group. Well,
Speaker 1: I should only speak for myself. I wouldn't look at
Speaker 1: any of the off the field stuff and the craziness
Speaker 1: that's happened over the past couple of years. He's a
Speaker 1: heck of a player. But you're not supposed to factor
Speaker 1: that in. No, No, you're not. You could factor it
Speaker 1: in from the sense that he left a lot of football,
Speaker 1: you know, on his couch because he didn't make himself
Speaker 1: available to play because of off the field stuff. I
Speaker 1: think that that's an area, a little bit of a
Speaker 1: gray area there. But quitting on a team, I mean,
Speaker 1: I understand, and you guys have a tough job. I
Speaker 1: get it. But you know, like t O Michael Irvin,
Speaker 1: you know, when you do things off the field that
Speaker 1: affects your team on the field, then I have to
Speaker 1: account for that. Yeah, And I think you could make
Speaker 1: that same argument with Antonio Brown, right, that he's done
Speaker 1: stuff that has affected teams. So, I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: down the road. I don't necessarily like to look at
Speaker 1: guys in say, oh he's a you know, he's a
Speaker 1: first ballot Hall of Famer. There are a couple of
Speaker 1: guys who are. But remember now we can only elect
Speaker 1: five modern era candidates every year. So unless you're Tom Brady,
Speaker 1: you know, or Aaron Rodgers or you know your name
Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer today, I would think so, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would think so. I mean, I can't guarantee he's
Speaker 1: a first ballot Hall of Famer. I think I was
Speaker 1: a little bit surprised. Not so yeah, A little bit surprised,
Speaker 1: as say, Jason Taylor and Brian Urlocker were first ballot
Speaker 1: Hall of famers, But you know they got in, they
Speaker 1: were going to get an eventually. I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: they weren't Hall of famers, but when you start looking
Speaker 1: at that, I think where it's it's changed in recent
Speaker 1: years is that there used to be this queue. Right, Well,
Speaker 1: this guy's waited long enough. He's a Hall of Famer,
Speaker 1: he deserves to get in, and now it's just like,
Speaker 1: you know, plug him in, get him in there. Now.
Speaker 1: What's the craziest argument you ever heard? Oh, when you're
Speaker 1: in the room, you know what. I don't know that
Speaker 1: I've heard anything. It's pretty it's pretty straightforward. It doesn't
Speaker 1: get heated. Oh yeah, he gets heated. Dan. My first
Speaker 1: year on I made the case for terall Owens and
Speaker 1: it got heated. It got heated to the point that
Speaker 1: some of my friends were in that room were coming
Speaker 1: up to me afterward and like saying, hey, sorry about that.
Speaker 1: So I don't you can't take it personally, but oh no,
Speaker 1: it gets heated, but it gets it. Last year, I
Speaker 1: don't think he got heated at all. It's kind of
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. It's those kind of polarizing candidates
Speaker 1: where people really take a stand one way or the other.
Speaker 1: But through most of it you can kind of you know,
Speaker 1: last year, I don't know that there was any negativity
Speaker 1: in that room. It was just that, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: this guy's great, but we like this guy better. I
Speaker 1: mean there was I don't recall anyone just going after
Speaker 1: a candidate last year or even the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: So most of it is very positive because all the
Speaker 1: guys in that room are there for a reason. Julian Edelman,
Speaker 1: that's a tough one. I don't know. I think that
Speaker 1: that one, that one might take a while. I just
Speaker 1: don't know that he's had the the you know, the career,
Speaker 1: the regular season career, the numbers. I mean if you
Speaker 1: look at the postseason. But has somebody ever gone into
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame and not been a Pro Bowl player? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Yeah, would you rather have Julian
Speaker 1: Edelman's career or Calvin Johnson who made more money? Calvin Johnson? Yes,
Speaker 1: so you think that. I mean I think probably Calvin Johnson.
Speaker 1: And he's up, I believe this year. He's he's a
Speaker 1: first ballot candidate this year. But he's a tough one too,
Speaker 1: because you know, when you get into like I thought
Speaker 1: Patrick Willis had a strong case to at least be
Speaker 1: in the top fifteen his first year. I mean basically
Speaker 1: every year he played in the league. He was a
Speaker 1: he was an All Pro player, he was a Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl player. He didn't even make it into the top
Speaker 1: fifteen his first year. So you know, then you start
Speaker 1: talking about Luke Keikley. You know, Luke Keakley and Patrick Willis.
Speaker 1: There's not a whole lot to separate those two. And
Speaker 1: I would put Calvin Johnson in that same category where
Speaker 1: for a short period of time, very very dominant. And
Speaker 1: along those lines, Tony BASSELLI I mean Tony bassellis shorter careers,
Speaker 1: probably even than those guys. But you're talking about a
Speaker 1: premium position left tackle. Those guys are hard to find.
Speaker 1: You know. It seems like more guards are in than
Speaker 1: tackles because guards can stay in that position, shouldn't play
Speaker 1: and be in the Pro Bowl twelve years a left tackle.
Speaker 1: Those guys are so difficult to find that if you
Speaker 1: can get a guy playing at a high, high level
Speaker 1: for four or five six years, you really have to
Speaker 1: consider them for the Hall of Fame. Philip Rivers, I
Speaker 1: think so, yeah, I think eventually again, you can't say
Speaker 1: first ballot, but I would say that there are so
Speaker 1: many guys that we could tick through. I was just
Speaker 1: thinking the other day about all the tight ends that
Speaker 1: are out there and in you guys who are in
Speaker 1: that that queue, right, or guys who are going to
Speaker 1: be coming through there. But position Matt, when you look
Speaker 1: at as a voter, the toughest position to assess now
Speaker 1: with today's numbers and who is a Hall of Famer
Speaker 1: and who's not? Well, I do think wide receiver is
Speaker 1: getting more difficult. I think that the most difficult I
Speaker 1: think positions to assess are kind of the grunt work positions.
Speaker 1: You know, how do you how do you grade a guard?
Speaker 1: You know, a center, a left tackle, right tackle? How
Speaker 1: about the defensive tackles? I mean, so much is put
Speaker 1: onto sacks. If you're a defensive lineman, well, you can
Speaker 1: definitely be a Hall of Fame player and not have
Speaker 1: a hundred sacks. And so those are the positions where
Speaker 1: you can't you can't compare apples to apples. That makes
Speaker 1: it difficult. Then when you start comparing different guys at
Speaker 1: different positions to those grunt work guys who you don't
Speaker 1: have a staff for that. That's where it becomes really difficult. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I figured running back because it used to be you
Speaker 1: got to ten thousand yards and you became a Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer. Now, you know, we have these hybrids. I
Speaker 1: thought Fred Taylor might be a Hall of Famer. I
Speaker 1: thought Ricky Waters deserved to be in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: Ricky Waters was sort of the forerunner to what it
Speaker 1: is today's running back. Now it was great pass catcher,
Speaker 1: ran for you know, Tike Barber on the cusp there
Speaker 1: as well. But I don't know how to assess those
Speaker 1: numbers or how will assess those numbers at running back
Speaker 1: in the in the coming years. Yeah, and of course
Speaker 1: you know I cover the forty nine ers. So people here,
Speaker 1: you know Roger Craig, you know, why isn't he in
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. You know, he was. He was
Speaker 1: a finalist with the Blue Ribbon Committee last year as
Speaker 1: they kind of expanded the Hall of Fame class. But
Speaker 1: I mean talking about a guy there that that played fullback,
Speaker 1: played half back, passes out of the backfield, and he
Speaker 1: was kind of the guy that enabled Bill Walsh told
Speaker 1: do everything he wanted from that offense. So yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a it's very difficult. Um and
Speaker 1: I have my one vote and and you throw it
Speaker 1: in there and you see what comes out the other side.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you getting up and uh sharing this information
Speaker 1: with this mat have fun tonight and uh we hope
Speaker 1: to have you on again. Thank you very much. All right, Dan,
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Thank you. Matt Mayoko, he's forty Nindres Insider,
Speaker 1: NBC Sports Bay Area. Oh. I love the reaction on
Speaker 1: the other side when it was like, yeah, JJ, maybe
Speaker 1: not first bound. PAULI got up out of his chair
Speaker 1: and there this guy new here easy there all. But
Speaker 1: then when I said, Edelman, that's gonna be a tough one,
Speaker 1: I went, is it? Is it a tough one? Well,
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Speaker 1: Gibbs in Virginia, Hey Gibbs, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 1: Hey Gibbs. Oh, like you're on speaker I can't hear
Speaker 1: you very well. Sorry to bother you. Sorry to bother you, Gibbs,
Speaker 1: but you don't sound very good. Danny. Can you hear me? Yeah?
Speaker 1: All right, spit it out, Gibbs. You got me on
Speaker 1: headset or speaker phone? Here my bad, Danny. I got
Speaker 1: a question for you. I'm going down to Ponto Dedra
Speaker 1: Beach today, going to play TPC Sawgrass tomorrow morning. I
Speaker 1: want a couple of tips around the course. I'm going
Speaker 1: down for one of my best friends from law school's wedding.
Speaker 1: Shout out to mclovin, not exactly out of his spinch.
Speaker 1: And I have a question for you about the world's
Speaker 1: largest cocktail party. Okay, it's a four o'clock wedding. Do
Speaker 1: I try to attend the tailgate before the wedding? If
Speaker 1: I do, do I have to show up in full
Speaker 1: tuxedo in wedding garb. Okay, how far is it from
Speaker 1: the tailgate to the wedding? I think Panavidra is probably
Speaker 1: I've looked at it on the map, and I'm not
Speaker 1: going to say probably I've looked at it on the map.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie about twenty minutes maybe twenty five
Speaker 1: with traffic. Are you a groomsman? I'm not so Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank god I'm not. Then you're good. Just just go
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. Nobody cares like they're not gonna go. Well,
Speaker 1: where's Gibbs? Like, Well, I'm pretty popular, not popular enough
Speaker 1: to be a groomsman? Well wow wow easy mclovian. Yeah, Seed,
Speaker 1: it'd be more popular forgot his phone to work at
Speaker 1: the start of the call. Yeahs yeah, yeah. Once again,
Speaker 1: this is uh. The man that McLevin referred to is
Speaker 1: not exactly out of Kaus Finch. He's a lawyer for
Speaker 1: a construction company. Good luck, Gibbs. We're all counting on it.
Speaker 1: The step above working the waste disposal business, h Gibbs,
Speaker 1: it made it sound like I called him and I
Speaker 1: was interrupting his day where he's trying to get on,
Speaker 1: you know, get his phone together. Let me see what
Speaker 1: do we have here? Uh? Dave in Indiana? Hi, Dave,
Speaker 1: what's on your mind today? Him? Die Hard bear fan.
Speaker 1: It's kind of frosted me. I have to even ask
Speaker 1: this that. Um, do you think the NFL would let
Speaker 1: the game go on tonight if Aaron Rodgers was on
Speaker 1: the COVID list? We have Nicky Mullins versus him, boyle,
Speaker 1: who's the backup? I think it's a great question, Dave,
Speaker 1: I do Fritzie, why didn't you see if? Um? I
Speaker 1: don't know if Chef would answer that or could answer that.
Speaker 1: I don't know who we could ask if Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: was somehow on the COVID list, would they be playing
Speaker 1: this game? Let's just ask me, because I could tell
Speaker 1: you they're not. They wouldn't. That's a toughie, I know.
Speaker 1: No Aaron Rodgers. Oh man, you know, let's let's move
Speaker 1: it to I don't who is the backup? Boil? I
Speaker 1: think so? He sounds like he's a Boston College quarterback
Speaker 1: or something. Yes, mcclemen, Well, they'd probably go to like
Speaker 1: election coverage and be like they'd say they want to
Speaker 1: rip the bandit, get that game out of the way.
Speaker 1: I mentioned Ricky Waters occasionally and people look at me
Speaker 1: like Ricky Waters. Ricky Waters was a great running back,
Speaker 1: not good great, most consecutive seasons with at least fifteen
Speaker 1: hundred yards from scrimmage, receiving and rushing all time, most
Speaker 1: consecutive Ladanian. Tomlinson did it eight times, Ricky Waters did
Speaker 1: it seven, Walter Payton six, Jim Brown five, Emmett Smith five,
Speaker 1: Barry Sanders five. Ricky Waters was a great player who's
Speaker 1: not going to go in the Hall of Fame. One
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