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Speaker 1: What else was I supposed to do? But Laia isn't

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Speaker 1: Rebecca tell me, I'm like, no, you guys, this sounds

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Speaker 1: and I don't understand how you sucked this up so bad. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: don't want to sound callous, but Lenny is not a priority.

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Speaker 1: He's a means to an end. This was a chessboard,

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Speaker 1: There's a bigger game here. You lost sight of that.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no, that's not true. State secession

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Speaker 1: It's not about some bureaucratic chain of command. A fella.

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Speaker 1: to recruit from that pimp? You heard her? I mean

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Speaker 1: not going to let go. What is it they need?

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Speaker 1: I give them everything they wanted. They want xeroxible. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: I told them Xerox is abroad. Rebecca isn't buying it.

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Speaker 1: Xerox is like her Messiah. All I know is they

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Speaker 1: had better stay out of my way. I spared her life. Once,

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Speaker 1: how to handle her. You had better or I'm afraid

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Speaker 1: your faith will be like this. Zero Messiah God