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Speaker 1: You know, how many people do know that have left

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Speaker 1: There are going to be a lot of people paying attention.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of just eyeballs behind that gig. It's

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Speaker 1: not the Cowboys or the Steelers of the forty nine

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Speaker 1: ers because they just haven't been that good for a

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Speaker 1: long time. But it's pretty important now, especially when you

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Speaker 1: bring Caleb Williams and just the talent that's on their team,

433
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Speaker 1: Like people just acknow and that division's really good. People

434
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Speaker 1: think you should be good. So if you're gonna go

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Speaker 1: between Ben Johnson and Liam Cohen, like, I'd argue that

436
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Speaker 1: Liam Cohen has just done more. He's been a coordinator,

437
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Speaker 1: started at a release. I got his resume out at

438
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Speaker 1: Maine in twenty sixteen and twenty seventeen. Then McVeigh hired him.

439
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: He's an assistant wide receiver coach, then he's assistant quarterback coach,

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Speaker 1: and then he goes to Kentucky in twenty one, where

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Speaker 1: will Levis has his best season of his career still

442
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Speaker 1: to this date. Then he goes back to the Rams

443
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Speaker 1: in twenty two. OC. Pretty sure they won the Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl that.

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Speaker 2: Year, do they not? They super Bowl champs? No, that

446
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 2: was the year they were shitty.

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Speaker 1: Okay, never mind, he left the Super Bowl year. Then

448
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 1: he comes back last year offensive coordinator and quarterback coach

449
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 1: to Kentucky and then this year he's the offensive coordinator

450
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:06,239
Speaker 1: of the Bucks. So like to me, he's got a

451
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Speaker 1: ton of experience now coaching different type players Stafford Baker, Levis,

452
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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson. The only time he's ever been a coordinator

453
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Speaker 1: is with Pinay Seul, Jared goff Am and Rossaint Brown

454
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Speaker 1: and that crew, and he's been awesome. But one guy

455
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Speaker 1: has just seen a lot more stuff. They both were.

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Speaker 1: Was Liam a college quarterback? Yeah, he played quarterback at

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Speaker 1: UMass and Ben Johnson was he attended and play He

458
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Speaker 1: was a walk on quarterback in North Carolina, So they

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Speaker 1: basically were both, you know.

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Speaker 2: Walk on type quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what I've seen out of Liam Cohen,

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Speaker 1: you know, weird, this is gonna sound crazy. Is every

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Speaker 1: bit as impressive as Ben Johnson? Because I think Liam Cohen,

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Speaker 1: if you gave him to Dan Campbell right now at

465
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Speaker 1: that offense, would be awesome too, just like if you

466
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Speaker 1: gave Lafleur McVeagh, Andy Reid, like they would all kick ass.

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Speaker 1: Good coordinator is gonna kick ass. He's a good coordinator,

468
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Speaker 1: But like what about all the other stuff? And I

469
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Speaker 1: just don't know. I'm not anti Ben Johnson by any means.

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be some hater, but in a

471
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Speaker 1: job that, like it's the fucking Hunger Games, ambitious people

472
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Speaker 1: dominate that profession. It's why immediately Jonathan Gannon got offered

473
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Speaker 1: a job, left the Eagles and it didn't even hesitate.

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Speaker 1: These people leave in a heartbeat. This guy's had the opportunity,

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Speaker 1: he just turned down.

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Speaker 2: Washington.

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Speaker 1: Think about that. But you could have been coaching Jayden

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Speaker 1: Daniels and listen, I know he's in the heat of

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Speaker 1: the battle. It's the playoffs, so he's not he doesn't

480
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Speaker 1: want that much LSU football, But like, that's a pretty

481
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Speaker 1: big mistake. And if you're gonna be in the head

482
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Speaker 1: coaching mix, you better fucking know who can play and

483
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Speaker 1: who can't play in college. If you're gonna take one

484
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Speaker 1: of the jobs that you're gonna have a top pick.

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Speaker 1: And honestly, there's less pressure on those jobs, but there

486
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Speaker 1: ain't less pressure on the Bears. So this is a

487
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Speaker 1: guy that was hesitant to handle pressure and now he's

488
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Speaker 1: gonna go the Bears. I think it's I think a

489
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Speaker 1: lot of people the conversation on him. It's there's two

490
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Speaker 1: separate angles to this. One is a play caller and

491
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Speaker 1: two like can he be the lead dog? I don't

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Speaker 1: know can Liam? I don't know much about Liam Cohen.

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Speaker 1: I've heard about an interviewer too. I think Schreger had

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Speaker 1: him on one time. Seems like a cool guy. I

495
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Speaker 1: just think, like, if I'm the Bears, I need someone

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Speaker 1: that I know has some experience. You know, if Bruce

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Speaker 1: Arians was younger, like I'd be all over Bruce Arians,

498
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Speaker 1: Like Bruce Arians is perfect, Mike Vrabel is perfect. Like

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Speaker 1: this is a this is an intense gig. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if there's much learning on the job. Like you

501
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: can learn on the job in Jacksonville? Who cares? Right?

502
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: Who else been fired already? Like you can learn on

503
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Speaker 1: the job with the Raiders, Like whatever, it doesn't necessarily matter.

504
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Speaker 1: Look at the Chargers that they did not need to

505
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Speaker 1: learn on the job guy.

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Speaker 2: They have had that before.

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Speaker 1: They need a guy that could hit.

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Speaker 2: The ground running.

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Speaker 1: So what do they do? They called Jim Harbaugh shit.

510
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Speaker 1: He might have called them considering the Bengals early season

511
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Speaker 1: was Unfortunately, it clouts the performance of Joe Burrow objectively,

512
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Speaker 1: He's playing arguably the best ball.

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Speaker 2: Of his career.

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Speaker 1: Week after week, him and Chase put up video game numbers.

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Speaker 1: The Bengals historically being a more fiscally cheap franchise and

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Speaker 1: the fact that they haven't paid Chase yet long term,

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Speaker 1: how do you see the future play out? Does Zach

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Speaker 1: Taylor come back? Do they pay Chase? I think? I mean,

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Speaker 1: there is no way on God's green Earth, Jamar Chase

520
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: isn't on the team next year. Part of the reason

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Speaker 1: they didn't pay him this year is looking as contract,

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Speaker 1: they owed him five million dollars, So it's like, would

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Speaker 1: you rather pay a guy five million dollars in cash

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Speaker 1: this year or next year? Give him a huge race?

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Speaker 1: And I think a lot of these teams when they

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Speaker 1: draft these guys in the first round, ideally they just

527
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Speaker 1: want to play it out through their first round contract.

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Speaker 1: Jamar Chase is a dominant elite player. You just don't

529
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Speaker 1: let those guys go. And I would expect him to

530
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Speaker 1: be on the team next year with a huge contract.

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Speaker 1: And props to Jamar for dominating so much this year

532
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Speaker 1: that they're not going to be able to get him.

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Speaker 1: You know, they could have got him cheaper this year,

534
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Speaker 1: but they'd say whatever, what the Hell's difference between one

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Speaker 1: hundred and five million and one hundred.

536
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Speaker 2: And eighteen million. It's all a line item does.

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Speaker 1: But through ten games, he's got sixty six catches for

538
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Speaker 1: almost one thousand yards and ten touchdowns. He's on pace

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Speaker 1: for by far his best season of his career. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna end up with looks like I would say,

541
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Speaker 1: one hundred and ten plus catches, fifteen sixteen hundred yards

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Speaker 1: and seventeen eighteen touchdowns. That's like, isn't that part of life? Like, Hey,

543
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Speaker 1: you don't think I'm worthy to pay? Now, we'll get

544
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Speaker 1: ready because it's gonna be more. I would say, Zach

545
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: Taylor again on Edgy. It's not like Mike Brown's telling

546
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Speaker 1: me this, but after watching him in that game, and

547
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Speaker 1: I obviously I've watched the two Ravens games start to finish,

548
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: which I mean are two defining games of their season.

549
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: How can you have Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow in

550
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Speaker 1: two games against the Ravens do what they did and

551
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: lose both games? It seriously is kind of unacceptable. Like

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Speaker 1: if I was a Bengals fan right now, I'd be like,

553
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,479
Speaker 1: how is this possible? So against the Ravens on October sixth,

554
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: my fortieth birthday, Joe Burrow threw for four hundred yards,

555
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: five touchdowns seventy seven percent completion percentage. Last night, he

556
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: threw four hundred and thirty yards and four touchdowns. In

557
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Speaker 1: the two games, he threw nine touchdowns. If I say

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow is gonna play a team in the AFC

559
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Speaker 1: North and throw nine touchdowns in two games, he'd be like, well,

560
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,959
Speaker 1: they're gonna win them both. It's like, no, actually, they

561
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: lost them both. That's pretty bad. Why do players re

562
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: sign with bad organizations? Take Burrow organization historically cheap owner,

563
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: a coach who's been there a few years and we

564
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: don't know if he's really actually good or not. Why

565
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Speaker 1: sign an extension with them instead of playing out the

566
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Speaker 1: contract and signing with the team who will put him

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Speaker 1: in a better position to get a ring. Well, in

568
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Speaker 1: fairness to the Bengals, in Joe Burrow, they were leading

569
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Speaker 1: in a Super Bowl his whatever second or third year.

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Speaker 1: They had the lead in the Super Bowl in the

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Speaker 1: second in the fourth quarter. The following year they went

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Speaker 1: to the AFC Championship Game. So if I tell you

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Speaker 1: a guy on his rookie contract back to back years

574
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Speaker 1: AFC Championship games. One year he's in a Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: and they easily could have won it. I think you'd

576
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: be hard pressed to say, well, that guy's gonna think

577
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Speaker 1: he's on a pretty good team, pretty good organization, so

578
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Speaker 1: like he had had tangible success with them. I also think,

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Speaker 1: and I remember this when I lived in Philadelphia, there

580
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Speaker 1: was at the time Cole Hamil's was going to be

581
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Speaker 1: a free agent, and back then, like one hundred, one

582
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Speaker 1: hundred and twenty million dollars was a lot of money

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Speaker 1: for these pictures, and people thought if he could make

584
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Speaker 1: it the free agency, someone might offer one hundred and

585
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Speaker 1: fifty million dollars. And I remember they offered him a

586
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Speaker 1: contract and he signed it, and it basically came out

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Speaker 1: that like, yeah, they put one hundred and twenty million

588
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Speaker 1: dollars on my desk. It was really difficult to not

589
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: put my name to it. And I think when you

590
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Speaker 1: use Joe Burrow as an example, they come to his

591
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: agent and they say, hey, we want to sign you

592
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Speaker 1: to an extension. They're like, well, what's the extension. They're like, well,

593
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Speaker 1: five years, two hundred and seventy five million dollars, one

594
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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty guaranteed at signing bonus or at signing

595
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Speaker 1: and tomorrow there'll be forty million dollars in your bank account.

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Speaker 1: So it's like, yeah, I was already rich and I'd

597
00:35:56,080 --> 00:36:00,760
Speaker 1: already made up to that point in time. So before

598
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Speaker 1: I signed the huge extension, you know, he had made

599
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Speaker 1: forty five million dollars. That's what he made off, you know,

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Speaker 1: his rookie contract, which is not bad at all, But

601
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Speaker 1: then they offered that type money, what are you supposed

602
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: to do? I think there's a human element to it,

603
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: and they had proven that they weren't a joke. So

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Speaker 1: I think when when the way sometimes the Bengals are

605
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: talked about, I feel can be a little unfair. I

606
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 1: think sometimes they get discussed like they are I don't know,

607
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 1: the Raiders or the Jags like in my adult life.

608
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: The Bengals have won a lot of games like just

609
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Speaker 1: let's just go the last decade twenty twelve, ten, eleven, ten,

610
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: twelve rough stretch here, they had a rough stretch from

611
00:36:55,480 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: sixteen to twenty then twenty one, ten, twenty two twelve.

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Speaker 1: Last year, which was a shitty year for them, they

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Speaker 1: won nine and this year they're four and six. They'll

614
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: probably end up eight to nine, nine and eight. To me,

615
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: they're like the better version of the pre harbought Chargers

616
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Speaker 1: Cowboys fan. This week, with the Cowboys hosting the Eagles,

617
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: do you think there's a possibility of an upset? The

618
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: Eagles schedule after this game is home versus the Comis

619
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Speaker 1: and then away at Rams and Ravens. Could they get

620
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: caught looking ahead? I think it's hard to look ahead

621
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Speaker 1: when the core of your team has all viewed this

622
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Speaker 1: team like a rival because the games in which you've

623
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Speaker 1: played them the last couple of years. I think this

624
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: is the thing with division games. Even if my team

625
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: as a player, as a coach, even as a fan

626
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: is having a shitty year or vice versa. I'm having

627
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Speaker 1: a good year, but my rival, Like, look at the Bengals,

628
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: they're gonna miss the playoffs. Let's say they end up

629
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Speaker 1: going eight to nine and the Ravens end up going

630
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Speaker 1: twelve or thirteen wins, probably with that defense, probably more

631
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Speaker 1: eleven or twelve wins, but.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

633
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Speaker 1: So there's a three or four game difference between the

634
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Speaker 1: two teams. When they play. These guys get up for

635
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,479
Speaker 1: it like the Super Bowl. I saw it last year

636
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: with the Rams or two years ago when the Rams

637
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: are having a bad season. The forty nine Ers took

638
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 1: those games seriously and vice versa. So I think the

639
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: division games, I think it's much much easier for non

640
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: divisional opponents. Me and Stuck you were talking. You can

641
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: already see the Kansasy Chiefs laying an egg at Carolina.

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Speaker 1: In what world can the Chiefs take the Carolina Panthers seriously?

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Speaker 1: If you tell me the Chiefs went sixteen and one

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Speaker 1: or fifteen and two and one of their losses was

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Speaker 1: to the Carolina Panthers, I would believe you, because think

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Speaker 1: about this. The Chiefs last couple games. They went the

647
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Speaker 1: forty nine Ers, which was a huge game for them.

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Speaker 1: Then they played the Raiders, a divisional game. Then they

649
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Speaker 1: had a Monday night football game which they clearly took

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Speaker 1: really seriously. Then they come home against the Broncos, which

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Speaker 1: is like a historic rivalry. Then they played the Bills,

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Speaker 1: then they played the Panthers. You'd go, in no world,

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Speaker 1: could Patrick Mahomes, Kelsey Chris Jones. They should be able

654
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Speaker 1: to beat them with their eyes closed, But what if

655
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: their eyes are literally closed throughout the week sleeping, napping,

656
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Speaker 1: not taking it seriously. They're human beings, so I think

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Speaker 1: it's very, very difficult for teams in your division to

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Speaker 1: not be taken seriously. I think it's much easier if

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Speaker 1: you told me, like the Cowboys played some good team

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Speaker 1: late in the season.

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Speaker 2: Let me just pull up your schedule.

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Speaker 1: You guys could have an upset, because that's the NFL.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're going to be countless upsets the rest

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Speaker 1: of the season. So you got the Eagles, the Texans,

665
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Speaker 1: the Commanders, the Giants, the Bengals, the Panthers, the Bucks.

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Speaker 1: I guess you just have so many division games. It's

667
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Speaker 1: a bad example. But if you told me you were

668
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Speaker 1: playing like the Steelers, you know, or you know, a

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Speaker 1: team late in the season now that you suck, I

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Speaker 1: would say you could win those games. That's just the

671
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Speaker 1: way football works. Before my first ever mail, bad question,

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Speaker 1: I want to let you know I've been listening for

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Speaker 1: about four years. Doubt I've ever missed an episode. I

674
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Speaker 1: appreciate this. Thank you, William. I was away from family

675
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 1: and friends for work for a couple of years, and

676
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: listening to the pod was like hanging out with the buddy.

677
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: Huge Packer fan but question about Joe Burrow. If he

678
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Speaker 1: were more durable, any chance he would be considered as

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Speaker 1: good as Mahomes. I think it's less about that he's

680
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Speaker 1: durable or not. Because he got hurt his first year.

681
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Speaker 1: He did not miss a game in twenty one or

682
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: twenty two, where he was pretty awesome, thirty four touchdowns,

683
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Speaker 1: thirty five touchdowns. He got injured last year with the

684
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Speaker 1: wrist where he was, you know, kind of struggling. They

685
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Speaker 1: were five and five, and he was probably on pace

686
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Speaker 1: for his worst statistical year non rookie year, and then

687
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 1: he came back this year. His defense is clearly not

688
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: as good, his offensive line kind of stinks, but he

689
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Speaker 1: is having I mean, he's on pace to have the

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Speaker 1: best statistical year of his career. He's got twenty four touchdowns,

691
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Speaker 1: four interceptions. I mean, he could throw. It's not inconceivable.

692
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: He throws thirty eight touchdowns this season. Now, part of

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Speaker 1: that is they're down, so he's trying to bring him back,

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Speaker 1: I would guess. But I guess think about the Rannits

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Speaker 1: game they've had, they had the lead in a couple

696
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,479
Speaker 1: of those. Maybe it's because they can't really the ball.

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Speaker 1: I think it's less about if he was more durable.

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Speaker 1: I think if you put him with a better coach,

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Speaker 1: I think we would discuss him differently. And I think

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Speaker 1: he has a chance now to be the new Stafford

701
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 1: where a couple of Ravens fans DM me, They're like, God,

702
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: that guy's tough. He's getting slammed to the ground, I

703
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: mean body slammed. He doesn't even look at the referee,

704
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: which honestly, I really respect, even though it probably would

705
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: help his cause if he kind of went NBA player.

706
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Speaker 1: But like you know, Stafford was an incredible talent and

707
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Speaker 1: an awesome player that everyone around the NFL loved, but

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Speaker 1: he played for the Lions and for a lot of

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00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 1: his career is just a little out of sight, out

710
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Speaker 1: of mind, And Burrow is probably a steroid version of that,

711
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Speaker 1: because you know, ten and six, twelve and four last year,

712
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: he's five and five this year, four and six, Like

713
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: his team feels like more competitive. And he's been excellent

714
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Speaker 1: in the playoffs. I mean his playoff records five and two,

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Speaker 1: nine touchdowns, sixty seven in the playoffs. Like, he's been

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Speaker 1: really good in the playoffs. I think we all know

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow is really good, but if you're gonna if

718
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Speaker 1: your owner is gonna fire Zach Taylor, Like, who's he

719
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Speaker 1: gonna hire? Because if you were to hire like Bill Belichick,

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Speaker 1: I think we'd all pay attention to him if he's

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Speaker 1: gonna hire I don't know some rando then who knows?

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Speaker 1: Lifelong Lions fan thirty five years Good time to be

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Speaker 1: a Lions fan. Just wondering your thoughts on the Coach

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Speaker 1: of the Year award. It always seems to go to

725
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:52,399
Speaker 1: a coach with a surprise season. But don't you think

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00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,720
Speaker 1: that Dan Campbell is more deserving. I mean, the Lions

727
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: have been a dumpster fire my whole life, and we

728
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: are arguably the best team in the NFL. Florio touched

729
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: on this on his pod. Curious your thoughts. I'll be honest,

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Speaker 1: I don't get that caught up in Like to me,

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Speaker 1: the MVP award or All pros and stuff for players

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Speaker 1: is something we really use as an argument. Think about

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid. He has won AP Coach of the Year,

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Speaker 1: which I think is the one that most people value

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Speaker 1: one time in his career. I'm looking at all these

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Speaker 1: coach of the years like Football Weekly or Sporting News.

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Speaker 1: He's won none of these since he had Patrick Mahomes,

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Speaker 1: none of them. I think Bill Belichick is the same way.

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Speaker 1: I think the great part about coaching is the only

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Speaker 1: thing that truly defines you. Belichick won AP Coach the

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Speaker 1: Year three times. But do you know what defines Belichick

742
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Speaker 1: and Andy and the guys that we hold the highest team?

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Speaker 1: You know, over the course of my life, home grined

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00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: Mike Shanahan is like wins and losses. It's honestly the

745
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Speaker 1: only thing that matters as a coach. How many games

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Speaker 1: you win, how do you do in the playoffs. It's

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Speaker 1: not like, Hey, you know Brett Farvel won won Super Bowl,

748
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Speaker 1: he won three MVPs, he was a seven time First

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Speaker 1: team All Pro. You know Peyton Manning won two Super Bowls,

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Speaker 1: he won four or five MVPs, he was ten time

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Speaker 1: All Pro as a coach. You just go, yeah, Andy

752
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:37,959
Speaker 1: Reid won a lot three Super Bowls, went to five.

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Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I think the argument kind of ends there.

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Speaker 1: I think you could argue when we talk about coaching,

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Speaker 1: and I think Dan Campbell is of the mold of

756
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Speaker 1: the Harball Brothers. I think I think he's like the

757
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: third Harrorball Brothers. When you talk about John Harbaugh or

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00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh, like coach of the year. I think if

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Speaker 1: we sat down and we buy six pack, or I

760
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: poured a couple of stiff cocktails and I just said, Hey,

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Speaker 1: we're just gonna talk football coaches for the next hour,

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Speaker 1: I don't think the words coach of the year would

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Speaker 1: ever come up. Ever, I do think it matters for players,

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Speaker 1: just like in college, like the Heisman that matters, Like

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00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,479
Speaker 1: if Travis Hunter wins the Heisman this year, that's really

766
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Speaker 1: important for the legacy of him, the sport, his program.

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Speaker 1: I don't think in football, I don't think coach of

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Speaker 1: the Year means anything. Honestly, doesn't mean a thing, because

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Speaker 1: you couldn't tell me how many times does Bill Walsh

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Speaker 1: one coach of the year. I don't know how many

771
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Speaker 1: times did Mike Holmgrin or Mike Shanahan. You'd have no clue.

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Speaker 1: But I go, how many Super Bowls Mike Shanahan win?

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Speaker 1: Be Oh, he went to how many Super bowls?

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Speaker 2: Andy Reid has? Oh, he's got three?

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Speaker 1: How many super Bowls? John ha have he's got one?

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00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 2: But got it?

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Speaker 1: Thought, you have a super Bowl team last year? Can

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Speaker 1: he win a Super Bowl this year? Like that's all that.

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Speaker 1: I think that's the only thing that matters. And I

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Speaker 1: think that's what cool if you're a Lions fan, Like,

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00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: none of that means shit. Like it was cool to

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Speaker 1: have Barry Sanders win the MVP, you know when I

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00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,879
Speaker 1: was a kid, because who didn't love Barry Sanders Whether

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00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: you lived in Michigan or whether you live in Sacramento, California,

785
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: it didn't matter. But like, would he have traded that

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Speaker 1: MVP to have a thirteen win Super Bowl team?

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Speaker 2: Of course he would have.

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Speaker 1: So it's like the only thing that matters right now

789
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Speaker 1: is like your team's unreal and everyone's on the same page, like, yeah,

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00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: the Lions are sweet, Lions are good. So I guess

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Speaker 1: my overall take is I think Coach of the Year,

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Speaker 1: I just don't care. I really don't. It means nothing

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Speaker 1: to me. I think Dan Campbell is just provenly knows

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Speaker 1: what he's doing. He's really good. He's really really good.

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Speaker 1: And I think the way you judge a coach is

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00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: like you watch his team player, like, god, it's a

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00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: well coach team. I mean, honestly, I think that was

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Speaker 1: the defining characteristic for Bill Belichick. It's why all this

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Speaker 1: back and forth, whose team whatever, it's like anyone of

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Speaker 1: I would say thirty five years older that it's a

801
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: football fan that watched Brady and Belichick's teams for twenty

802
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: years just went God. They out coached everybody. And I

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00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: think that is the defining characteristic of Andy Reids and

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00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes Scott. They beat you like seven different ways

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00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: over the course of like five or six years. They

806
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: can win this way, they can win that way. They

807
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: can win in this environment, they can win in that environment.

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00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: They can win playing this way, they can win play

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00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: that way. That's what a great coach is. And I

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Speaker 1: think that's gonna be the defining characteristic in the alliance.

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Speaker 1: Like can they win a super Bowl? Because if they do,

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Speaker 1: it'll change his life forever, It'll change the franchise forever.

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Speaker 1: You could argue a super Bowl like, for example, I'm

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Speaker 1: a Niner guy. It's really important to Kyle's career to

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Speaker 1: win a super Bowl because it would validate.

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Speaker 2: The way people talk about him.

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Speaker 1: But like the forty nine Ers is a franchise have

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00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 1: been to what three super Bowls since twenty twelve, They've

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Speaker 1: been to like seven championship games. They've already won five

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Speaker 1: Super Bowls, So yeah, it would be a big deal,

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Speaker 1: but it doesn't like change the franchise forever. Like this year,

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Speaker 1: if Ohio State wins the National championship, it's a really

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Speaker 1: big deal, and it's a really big deal for Ryan Day,

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Speaker 1: but they've won national championships before and they will win

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Speaker 1: national championships again. If Oregon wins the national Championship, you'd

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Speaker 1: be like, holy shit, Oregon won their first ever national championship.

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Speaker 1: Or if like Boise State, like Boise State made it

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Speaker 1: to the Final four, they beat Penn State Miami, that's insane.

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Speaker 1: Like if the Lions were to win a Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: I would put the Bills too. It'd be like the

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Speaker 1: Bills finally did it. They freaking did it. It's just

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Speaker 1: my take. Have a great weekend. Appreciate everyone listening. Make

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Speaker 1: sure you subscribe to the podcast also YouTube, and I'll

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Speaker 1: talk to everyone soon. Audios the volume