1 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,559 Speaker 1: What up bright Side besties, Hello Sunshine. 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 2: Today on the bright Side, we have one of the 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 2: it girls in comedy right now, inspiring us to take 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 2: big risks in our careers. Mary Beth Baron is here 5 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 2: to make us laugh and think. She wrote, directed, produced, 6 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 2: and financed her own comedy special titled thought Provoking, Oh 7 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 2: so Inspiring. 8 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 3: And then later we're going to turn the tables and 9 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 3: Mary Beth asks us some thought provoking questions based on 10 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 3: the bright Side's core themes like friendship, dating, and aging. 11 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 4: It's a fun one, y'all. It's Thursday, April eighteenth. 12 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 2: I'm Simone Voice, I'm Danielle Robe and this is the 13 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 2: bright Side from Hello Sunshine. 14 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 4: Danielle, what's new with you? I feel like we haven't 15 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 4: caught up in a minute. 16 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 2: Actually, I know, I have been reading and watching TV. 17 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 2: I haven't done a daily show in a while, and 18 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 2: I forgot something really funny. When you do a daily show, 19 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,639 Speaker 2: part of your job is to be interesting, and so 20 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 2: I haven't had time to read, to consume content, to 21 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 2: watch things. And last weekend and this week I made 22 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 2: it a point to do that. So I caught up 23 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 2: on Tokyovice season two, which is unbelievable, and I'm really 24 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 2: just infatuated and obsessed with Japanese culture, and so it's 25 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 2: really an amazing show. And then Girls five Eva, which 26 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 2: is so funny and I love Busy Phillips and I 27 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 2: love that show. 28 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 3: Have you seen Showgun on FX No, also about Japanese culture, 29 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,479 Speaker 3: but it takes place many many moons ago. It's kind 30 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 3: of like Game of Thrones ish, but set in Japanese culture. 31 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. 32 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 2: I went to Japan a few years ago, like right 33 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 2: before COVID hit, and the fashion there is unbelievable. They're 34 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 2: like years ahead of us. Yeah, what's going on with you? 35 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 3: I also have been trying to prioritize just reading and 36 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 3: not really watching TV as much. I watched that Ripley 37 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 3: show and I loved it. But I am trying to 38 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 3: get through this fantasy series a Katar that a lot 39 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,119 Speaker 3: of people love these days. So I'm working my way 40 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 3: through that, and that's been really great. That's been a rendy. 41 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: You have time to read, like right before bed. 42 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 4: In the evenings. Yeah, it's really tough, though. 43 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,519 Speaker 3: I am feeling so strapped for time these days between 44 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 3: kids and the show. But I also have been investing 45 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 3: in my health more lately. I'm really on my bodybuilder 46 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 3: game again. Hmmm, smashing my teens, smashing my protein. I'm 47 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 3: lifting weights. Should we get into our morning drip? 48 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 2: Yes? 49 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: I think so? All right. 50 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 2: Ariana Grande's ninety eight year old Nonah is breaking music 51 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 2: industry records. Marjorie Grande is now the oldest living person 52 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 2: to make the Billboard. 53 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: Hot one hundred. 54 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 4: That's so cool. 55 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 2: I know, you know, I don't want to make this 56 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 2: about me because it's not. But people always say that 57 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 2: Ariana Grande is my celebrity doppelganger. 58 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 4: Uh oh, is this a Chelsea from Love is Blind moment? 59 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 4: Right now? 60 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: You tell me, what do you think? 61 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 4: I don't see it really no, I. 62 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 2: Kind of had you come up to me at the gym. 63 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 2: What it's the ponytail? So Ariana Grande. They released this 64 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,839 Speaker 2: really cute Instagram photo where she's holding the plaque and 65 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 2: it's it's sweet, like, it's really exciting to see. 66 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 3: I love hearing stories about folks in their golden years 67 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 3: experiencing success later in life. 68 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:28,239 Speaker 4: This is so cool. 69 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 3: I mean, obviously it's facilitated by her super famous, super 70 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 3: hot granddaughter, but. 71 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 4: I love this for Nona. 72 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 2: I love it for Nona, and I love it for 73 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 2: Ariana too, because I think audiences like us are just 74 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 2: craving that personal touch. 75 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: I love getting to know people's families. 76 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 2: When we were at south By Southwest when we kicked 77 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 2: off the show, my grandma was actually at south By two. 78 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 2: She had a movie, like a VR film about her life, 79 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 2: and the producers and I were laughing because I kept 80 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 2: texting her to see her and she could not find time. 81 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: She calls me schnooky. 82 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 2: She was like, I'd love to see you, Schnuoky, but 83 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 2: I'm very busy. 84 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 4: That is the cutest nickname ever. 85 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, but Ariana Grande's Nona found some time, So my 86 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 2: Olma better. 87 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: Take a page out of her book. 88 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 4: I love it all right. 89 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 2: Crazy Rich Asians is headed to Broadway. The movie was 90 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 2: a huge smash at the box office. Audiences loved it. 91 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 2: My mom and I have watched this movie a hundred 92 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 2: times together. 93 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: I lotch you, Oh yeah, we love like. 94 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 2: Any sort of romance films, and we fight about it 95 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 2: because I'll tell her about how like this part isn't 96 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 2: feminist or female forward, and she was like, Danielle, it's 97 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 2: love get. 98 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 3: Over it is she a bit more traditional in that respect, Yeah, 99 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 3: she is, and she's very romantic, so she loved that film. 100 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 2: But I'm excited that it's gonna be turned into a 101 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 2: musical because it's gonna be based on the movie, which 102 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 2: was based on a trilogy of books, which I actually 103 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 2: didn't know, and it's gonna have great vision because it's 104 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 2: directed by John m chu who directed the movie, and 105 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 2: he's directed a ton of other musical films Wicked in 106 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 2: the Heights, and this is his Broadway directorial debut. 107 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 4: This is going to be a walk in the park 108 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 4: for him, though. 109 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 3: I mean, some of those dance scenes and in the 110 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 3: Heights were just so impressive. They were on such a 111 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 3: massive scale. So he's going to nail this. 112 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: Okay, we have to talk about likability. 113 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 4: Oh, let's get into it. 114 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: Simona and I. 115 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 2: Both came across this article in Glamour and we could 116 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 2: not stop texting about it. So we have to bring 117 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 2: it to the pod. Anya Meerwitz wrote an article titled 118 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 2: learning to be Unlikable is the best thing I've ever done. 119 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 4: Here's why. That headline, first of all, amazing. 120 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 2: Amazing, and the topic really intrigued both of us. She 121 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 2: talks about her deep seated desire to be likable, and 122 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 2: she gives incredible examples, like at a massage parlor, the 123 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,799 Speaker 2: massage isn't going great, but she doesn't want to say anything. 124 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 2: At the hospital when she was giving birth, she really 125 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 2: wanted the staff to like her, so she was scared 126 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 2: to need anything. She goes into rewriting emails to be likable, 127 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 2: even like talking to payroll when they haven't paid her 128 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 2: on time. 129 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: She doesn't want to be unlikable. 130 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 3: This is such a universal issue that I think so 131 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 3: many women struggle with, myself included. You have to read 132 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 3: this article. Make it a priority to read this article. 133 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 3: It was really profound and it got me thinking about 134 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 3: all the things that I've sacrificed in the name of 135 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 3: being likable, like my happiness, different opportunities. Ultimately, the desire 136 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 3: to be likable has cost me my safety at times 137 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 3: as well. 138 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 4: And I think when you look. 139 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 3: Across all levels of society you can see examples of this. 140 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 3: There's the issue of likability in politics. Voters elect quote 141 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 3: unlikable male candidates all the time, but then female candidates 142 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 3: have to work twice as hard in order to gain 143 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 3: that elusive likability factor. And that's the thing, like, likability 144 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 3: is this amorphous, abstract term. 145 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 4: It's so hard to define. What does that even mean? 146 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 1: That's part of what's today dificult about it. 147 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly likability in Hollywood, I mean Sophia Coppola said 148 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 3: she lost funding for a project because her characters weren't 149 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 3: likable enough. There's also a likability gap in business. This 150 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 3: article references and experiment from Columbia Business School that studied 151 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 3: the likability gap by doing a side by side comparison 152 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 3: of resumes. So researchers took a female entrepreneur's resume and 153 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 3: they made two identical copies of it. One they attributed 154 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 3: to Heidi Rosen, who was the actual businesswoman behind that resume, 155 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 3: and the other copy they just made up any random 156 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,119 Speaker 3: male name. They called him Howard, And then they asked 157 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 3: a group of business school students to compare the resumes, 158 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 3: and the students agreed that both Heidi and Howard were competent, 159 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 3: but they said that Howard was deemed more agreeable in 160 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 3: someone you'd want to work with, while Heidi the exact 161 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 3: same resume, she was deemed to be aggressive, selfish, and 162 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 3: not the ideal colleague. 163 00:07:54,480 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 2: I think that likability is an impossible bind because you 164 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 2: want to be viewed as a leader or a boss 165 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 2: at work, and ultimately, in many ways, when you are 166 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 2: a woman, you are looked at as bossy. And for me, 167 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 2: I feel like a victim and a volunteer in the 168 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 2: likability trap. I feel like I'm a highly sensitive person 169 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 2: who can feel people deeply, and so if I say 170 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 2: something that you don't like, I can feel it right away. 171 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 2: I see it in your eyes and your body language. 172 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 2: I can just feel it, and I want you to 173 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 2: like me. And on the other hand, I want to 174 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 2: be a competent leader who says what she believes. And 175 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 2: one of the things I've learned at work as I've 176 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 2: had more experience, is that sometimes you are the expert 177 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 2: in the room. And I think as women, we have 178 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 2: the propensity to look at other people as experts and 179 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 2: taking ownership over your own expertise is really big. But 180 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 2: I think likability will cost you jobs. It will cost 181 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 2: you negotiation like salaries. It's very difficult to navigate. The 182 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 2: only thing that has ever helped me with this is 183 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 2: Alicia Menendez's book called The Likability Trap. She's a journalist 184 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 2: at MSNBC and her book honestly changed my life. She's 185 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 2: the one that called it the impossible bind. 186 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's funny that you mentioned that. 187 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 3: I have her in my notes too, just to give 188 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 3: her a shout out, because she's done incredible work on 189 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 3: this topic. 190 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 4: You know, it's funny, Danielle. 191 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 3: You don't strike me as someone who struggles with likability 192 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 3: or the desire to be liked. 193 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 4: Really no, not from the outside. 194 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 3: But I think Alicia talks about that as well in 195 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 3: her book, Like you wouldn't assume that this has been 196 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 3: a challenge for her either, but she says that she 197 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 3: struggles with it quite a bit. 198 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 1: Where do you see it show up in your life 199 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: the most? 200 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 3: Well, I think it shows up less and less as 201 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 3: I get older, and less and less as I spend 202 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 3: more time as a mom, because you honestly just run 203 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 3: out of in space to care about what other people 204 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 3: think about you. I don't have as much time. But 205 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 3: something that Alicia brought up as well is that your 206 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 3: relationship with likability is often a reflection of your mother's 207 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 3: relationship with likability, and we learn this desire to be 208 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 3: likable from our moms. My mom sought likability in an 209 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:27,479 Speaker 3: interpersonal context throughout her life, not necessarily in a professional context. 210 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 3: But I definitely saw the ways in which she was 211 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 3: aiming to appease or please people. And I saw that, 212 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 3: and I think I wanted to run in the opposite direction, 213 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 3: and I vacillated back and forth. I think in your twenties, 214 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,079 Speaker 3: it's really difficult to combat that desire to be likable. 215 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 3: But now I'm feeling more firmly rooted, more confident, and 216 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 3: I feel like I'm better equipped to combat this desire 217 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 3: to be likable now. 218 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 2: I like hearing that motherhood helped you with that. I 219 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 2: think age has helped me with it. But motherhood is 220 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 2: something I hear a lot from women that I interview. 221 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 2: You just run out of bleeps, exactly. 222 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 3: But I want us to also talk about solutions, because 223 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 3: one thing I want to be wary of on this 224 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 3: show and just in life, is dwelling on the struggles 225 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 3: of womanhood, because I think that that can disempower us. 226 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 3: To me, the solution here is being brave enough to 227 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 3: be unlikable, because the more that we do that, we 228 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 3: set an example for other women to do the same. 229 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 3: I think it's also being wise enough to know that 230 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 3: unlikable women are actually super relatable. We see that in 231 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 3: films and TV shows all the time. And then, as 232 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 3: Alisha would say, advocating for other women is another way 233 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 3: to squash this likability complex. 234 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 2: That to me is the most significant one, because it's 235 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 2: really hard, especially at work. There's power in numbers, so 236 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 2: when people support you in something, it's very powerful. I 237 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 2: do think a lot of time we think about solutions 238 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 2: as like incumbent upon us, and it's important to take 239 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 2: responsibility for your actions, and it's important to do everything 240 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 2: you can to be the solution. But I also think 241 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 2: part of the solution is having men recognize this, Like 242 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 2: I want to know how many men read Alicia's book. 243 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: I think having a. 244 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 2: Generation of men get more comfortable with women speaking in 245 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 2: a certain tone, or like eliminating that word difficult or unlikable. 246 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 2: We don't call men difficult unlikable, Diva, these are singular 247 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 2: words for women. 248 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: I think that will really help too. 249 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,959 Speaker 3: After the break, we'll hear from another proudly unlikable woman, 250 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 3: pop provoking comedian Mary Beth Buron. 251 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: By the way, those are her words, not ours. 252 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 3: All right, y'all, we're back, featuring one of our favorite 253 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 3: working comedians, the very funny Mary Beth Burn. 254 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 2: Now you may have seen her on The Tonight Show 255 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 2: with Jimmy Fallon, or touring with Chelsea Handler and Jenny Slate, 256 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 2: even podcasting with Benito Skinner, or in her brand new 257 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 2: YouTube comedy special called Thought Provoking. Mary Beth, Welcome to 258 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 2: the bright Side. 259 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 5: It is so good to be here. You are both 260 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 5: so smiley, and I feel this energy. It's really uncommon, 261 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 5: so it's great to be here. 262 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 3: We're contractually obligated to smile thirty six times per episode, 263 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 3: so thanks for noticing. 264 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: Honestly, not the first time I've been called smiley? Are 265 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: you ever called smiley? 266 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 6: Never? Once? In my whole life? 267 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: What are you called? 268 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 5: I would say stonefaced, inscrutable, stoic. A lot of those 269 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 5: adjectives are how I'm described dry. 270 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 3: Have you always been that way? Or is this a 271 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 3: persona that you put on when you're on stage? 272 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 6: I have always been this way. 273 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 5: I didn't even know I was doing like dry humor 274 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 5: until people told me, and then now I watch I've 275 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 5: seen some home videos of me as a kid. My 276 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 5: dad like digitized all our home videos, and I was 277 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 5: the exact same as a kid, very serious. 278 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 3: Were you always performing in those videos? Did you have 279 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 3: a mic? Were you doing stand up? From an early age? 280 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 5: We had a lot of like performances in our front hall. 281 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 6: There's a lot of like dances. 282 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 5: There's some variety shows, and there is a video of 283 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 5: me and my ex best friend dancing to Stop Right 284 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 5: Now by the Spice Girls that has circulated online. So yeah, 285 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 5: I have a deep history of performance. 286 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 4: I would say Danielle, she's a theater kid. We have 287 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 4: a live one kid. We got a live one folks. 288 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 6: But I'm a theater kid who never did theater. Isn't 289 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 6: that cool? I never did a play. 290 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 5: I don't know why. I just was like, you know what, 291 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 5: I think I'm too big time for it. I'm too 292 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 5: big time for the play. 293 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 2: I feel like it's more of an identity than it 294 00:14:58,080 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 2: is an action. 295 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 3: Yeahs, members of the review board for theater Kids, we 296 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 3: permit you to join the club. 297 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 4: You absolutely qualify. 298 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 6: Thank you so much. 299 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 2: Well, you're doing comedy now, that's what everybody knows you for. 300 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 2: You have a comedy special titled thought Provoking, and I 301 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 2: just want everybody to know how many titles you hold. 302 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 2: When it comes to this comedy special. You wrote it, 303 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 2: you directed it, you financed it, and you produced it. 304 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 4: I did. 305 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: Why did you create thought provoking? 306 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 5: I created thought provoking because I had a lot that 307 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 5: I wanted to say, and I wanted to put it 308 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 5: out as a complete work, and I didn't necessarily want 309 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 5: to wait for the taste makers in their glass towers 310 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 5: to give me permission to do that. Just sort of 311 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 5: realizing what the trends are in comedy right now. It 312 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 5: feels like there are a chosen few who are allowed 313 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 5: and given the space to make their own creative decisions 314 00:15:56,520 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 5: and get these massive deals at streamers, and it just 315 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 5: felt like that probably wasn't going to happen, at least 316 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 5: not in the timeframe that I wanted it to. So 317 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 5: I just decided I wanted to do it my own 318 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 5: way and be the creative force behind it and make 319 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 5: it exactly what I wanted it to be. Which, you know, 320 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 5: the people that give you money often have a lot 321 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 5: of opinions. But I'm lucky enough to have a podcast 322 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 5: that I do that helps me pay the bills, and 323 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 5: I have some money saved where I was able to 324 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 5: finance it, and I am really proud of it. There's 325 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 5: a lot of things that you know I would do differently, 326 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 5: but it was a good exercise, and like, this is 327 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 5: the footage we have, this is what we're able to 328 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 5: do with it, and how do we make that the 329 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 5: best version of the special that we can? 330 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 3: There's an incredible story behind the title. Thought provoking. It's 331 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 3: kind of a dunk. Actually, can you elaborate please? 332 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 4: Yes. 333 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 5: I was submitting a set for late night TV last 334 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 5: year and I was told by the booker that my 335 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 5: jokes were too trying to make a point, of course, 336 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 5: and he asked if I had any jokes that weren't 337 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 5: as much of that, so just less trying to make 338 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 5: a point. And I just thought, you know what, I 339 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 5: actually don't. I have jokes that make a point, and 340 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 5: I'm comfortable with that. So if that's not the right fit, 341 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 5: it's not the right fit, and that's okay. 342 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 4: Do you think you would ever say something like that 343 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 4: to a male comedian. 344 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 5: I think male comedians maybe they're just not making a 345 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 5: point and maybe that's something. 346 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 1: We need to think about and maybe that's the point. 347 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 2: Wait, but you have this joke, speaking of male comedians, 348 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 2: you have this joke where you say men are so 349 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 2: mad at me for speaking What were you talking about? 350 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:36,360 Speaker 1: Will you share more behind that? 351 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, I have started posting clips on social media and 352 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 5: I posted some on YouTube, and the comments I was getting, 353 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 5: I mean, they want me dead, they want women dead, 354 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,479 Speaker 5: or in the kitchen. I literally got a comment that 355 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 5: was like, women are good at three things, blowjobs, being 356 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 5: in the kitchen, and I don't even remember the third thing. 357 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 6: I'm sure it was really profound. 358 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 5: But there's still a lot of people online who are 359 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 5: comfortable posting and saying things like that. So I knew 360 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 5: this special would piss them off. And that's okay because 361 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 5: I don't make comedy for them. 362 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 4: Who do you make comedy for? 363 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,959 Speaker 5: I make comedy, as I say in the special, for girls, 364 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 5: gay guys, and the straight men who love us. That's 365 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 5: my demo and I'm really comfortable with that. 366 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 3: In your special, you talk about one of the benefits 367 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 3: being that you get to choose what you wear, and 368 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 3: what female comedians wear has been the subject of much discussion. 369 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 3: So can you talk about that calculus behind your wardrobe 370 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 3: when you go on stage? How do you make that decision? 371 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 5: There's a lot of thought that goes into what I 372 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,199 Speaker 5: wear on stage? Because you want to wear something that 373 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 5: you don't have to adjust a lot because that can 374 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,479 Speaker 5: be distracting. So for this special, I really wanted it 375 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 5: to be super intentional. And there are a lot of 376 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 5: sort of unwritten rules about what people should and shouldn't 377 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 5: wear on stage, and I think what's so fun about 378 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 5: having more women and queer people in comedy is that 379 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 5: we're really re writing rules and making it whatever we 380 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 5: want it to be. And one thing I love about 381 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 5: my audience is that they're excited to see what I'm wearing, 382 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 5: and I've established that I'm going to turn a look 383 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 5: when it's like my show. So I love that they 384 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 5: support me in making comedy fashionable because we have a 385 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 5: lot of work to do and it starts with us. 386 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 3: Women don't always have to wear flannel shirts and jeans 387 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 3: on stage. If you want to, that's fine, that's your 388 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 3: prerogative totally. 389 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 5: But if you want to wear a gown that is 390 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,679 Speaker 5: Kate Moss's from the nineties, you should also do that. 391 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's important to share a little backstory there. 392 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 2: It's sort of a thing that women have to quote 393 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 2: ugly up on stage in comedy, and so I think 394 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 2: there's been a few female comedians that have tried to 395 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,479 Speaker 2: push the envelope there, you being one of them. 396 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 6: Yeah. 397 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 5: I think it's because we were trying to fit into 398 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 5: male spaces, and we were trying to do shows and 399 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 5: be on lineups with people that were attracting a certain 400 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 5: audience who don't align necessarily with what we're saying. Being 401 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 5: a a female comedian is sort of political in and 402 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 5: of itself, So for me it's yeah, if I have 403 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 5: definitely had feedback when I'm performing at clubs or more 404 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 5: traditional stand up venues, like, well, your clothes are distracting, 405 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 5: and I think if you can't watch my stand up 406 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 5: without being distracted unless you're totally blinded by how beautiful 407 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 5: the outfit is, then I don't know if I'll ever 408 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 5: get you on side, So best to just part ways amicably. 409 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 3: Mary Beth, I hate to do this. I really don't 410 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,239 Speaker 3: want to have to call out your mom, but I'm 411 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 3: gonna have to. 412 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 5: Do it. 413 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 3: Because when you were growing up, she told you that 414 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 3: female comedians just aren't funny. All they do is talk 415 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 3: about their periods. So is your whole career one big 416 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 3: I told you so to your mom. 417 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 5: You know, it's so funny because I remember it so 418 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 5: vividly as a kid hearing that, and I was like, 419 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 5: I guess that kind of makes sense. But I didn't 420 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 5: think about it again for many, many years, and then 421 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:54,919 Speaker 5: I was like, oh my god, I can't believe that's 422 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 5: like what I had been internalizing. 423 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 6: And she definitely has. 424 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 5: Like I say, she's apologized, but I think a lot 425 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,199 Speaker 5: of the comedy that was making it into people's homes 426 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 5: back in the nineties from women specifically, it felt like 427 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 5: they had to lean so hard into being a woman 428 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 5: and that could be their only identifier and they can't 429 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,239 Speaker 5: really speak much outside of like being crass, which I 430 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 5: am also crass, But it was probably hard to stick 431 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 5: out in such a male dominated industry back then and 432 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 5: feel really singular. 433 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:26,880 Speaker 6: So while I don't agree. 434 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 5: And I know there were a lot of women even 435 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 5: in the nineties totally breaking the mold, I understand that 436 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 5: a lot of what she was probably seeing might have 437 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 5: been tapping into that. But needless to say, I do 438 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 5: have some jokes about my period in vagina, and she's 439 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 5: totally okay with that as long as it's part of 440 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 5: a larger body of work. 441 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 4: A qword body. 442 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I want to go back to something that 443 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 3: you said about how people view comedians almost monolithically. I 444 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 3: feel like that's especially true for female comedians. You, being 445 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 3: a female comedian, I'm sure you sometimes feel like you're 446 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 3: expected to carry the entire legacy of female comedians on 447 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 3: your back. 448 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, it is this pressure of like, because you're a comedian, 449 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 5: you sort of have to speak out on every issue. 450 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 5: And I'm trying to be really thoughtful about speaking on 451 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 5: things that I am educated on and things that I 452 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 5: feel really passionate about. So sometimes you want to be 453 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 5: like amplifying like every single issue. I really respect the 454 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 5: people that have come before me because there were even 455 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 5: fewer people in their corner who were helping uplift them. 456 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 5: It was sort of like you either fit in with 457 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 5: the guys or you don't survive. Whereas now, I think 458 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 5: comedy is a lot more democratic, and we can produce 459 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 5: independent shows, and we can put stuff out online and 460 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 5: our audiences can find us, and I'm just really grateful 461 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 5: that those people were there to pave the way. But 462 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 5: for me right now, my approach is just like pick 463 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 5: a few things that I'm passionate about, and you kind 464 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 5: of like bread crumb it in with the funny stuff 465 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 5: so that people are getting the information, but they it's 466 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 5: like putting like sugar and medicine together. 467 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 6: That's what I try to do. 468 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 5: Even in the special, you know, I talk about a 469 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 5: lot of different topics, but I try to make sure 470 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 5: that there's enough dumb jokes in there, but that everything 471 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 5: is of course trying to make a point. 472 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 4: Don't want to be too thought provoking. 473 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 6: God, for it can be tough. It can be tough. 474 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 3: Maybe, but from the outside looking in, it seems like 475 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 3: you've experienced a lot of success in such a short 476 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 3: amount of time. I mean, you left Boston College, moved 477 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 3: to New York City, quit your startup job to pursue 478 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 3: comedy full time, and now you're crushing it. 479 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 4: How does it feel to be that girl in comedy? 480 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 5: That's very nice of you to say, I have chills. 481 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 5: I think this industry is incredibly taxing, and there is 482 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 5: a lot of rejection, and there's a lot of moments where, 483 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 5: especially if you look at people around you, you can 484 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 5: feel like you're not accomplishing enough, or you're not getting enough, 485 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 5: or you're not doing enough. So I'm working on moments 486 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 5: of gratitude and feeling accomplished because I actually moved to 487 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 5: New York and I had no idea what I wanted 488 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 5: to do, and I had a job for years, and 489 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 5: then I decided to be a comedian, which is like 490 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 5: so random and insane, and I every step of the way, 491 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 5: my friends and family have been there for me one 492 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 5: hundred and ten percent. Having that support system is so invaluable. 493 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 5: And just like female friendship in general is such a 494 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,479 Speaker 5: beautiful thing that I think gets portrayed as like, you know, 495 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 5: pinning women against each other and not being supportive. 496 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 6: We're talking about each other, but that's not my experience. 497 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 3: You have to be a little Delulu to have a lot, 498 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 3: a lot Delulu. Yes, you come from a big family. 499 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 3: Are you the most Delulu sibling in the bunch? 500 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 6: One hundred percent? 501 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, what's a big fam happen? 502 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 5: I'm one of six, I'm the youngest of six, so 503 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 5: three girls, three boys, and I'm just like, I'm very 504 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 5: different from my siblings. I care about fashion, I like 505 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 5: love brands. I'm like a capitalist pig but also a 506 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 5: socialist and I love attention. That's that's my love language. 507 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 2: It's so gen z to be capitalist and socialist all 508 00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 2: at the same time, you're very on trend. 509 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 6: Well, I'm a Gemini, so I can be both, which 510 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 6: is cool. 511 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 2: So I'm a big fan of Ride, which is your podcast, 512 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 2: Thank you, and you do it with your co host 513 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 2: who's also a comedian, Benito Skinner aka Benny Drama and 514 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 2: you guys are so funny. 515 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: How did this come together? 516 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 5: So this was during the pandemic Benito and I, Well, 517 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,120 Speaker 5: he was approached and he was asked if you wanted 518 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 5: to do a podcast, and he was like, I will 519 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 5: do a podcast, but only if I can do it 520 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 5: with Mary Beth. And then we were thinking about what 521 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,159 Speaker 5: we wanted the podcast to be, and we wanted it 522 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 5: to be really positive. We wanted it to be a 523 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 5: space where we could come and talk about things that 524 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 5: we really enjoy and just be earnest and genuine and 525 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 5: we each bring one thing per week that we ride 526 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 5: for and we really feel the love for this podcast, 527 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 5: and I think having a platform where we just talk 528 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 5: about things that we love, like our audiences when we 529 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 5: perform live, we can feel that they're coming from a 530 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:57,959 Speaker 5: place of positivity and they're not sitting there with their 531 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 5: arms crossed like ready to be cultural commentators. They're just like, 532 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 5: let's have fun, let's be silly and crazy and tap 533 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 5: into those goofy selves that I think women are sort 534 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 5: of told to like suppress when we're teenagers. But this 535 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 5: podcast is not about that. The podcast is about just 536 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 5: like love and joy. And we do smile. 537 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 6: Sometimes on the podcast, so there's some synergy there. 538 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: You may all of us smile. 539 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,199 Speaker 3: I feel a major crossover event happening. I don't know 540 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 3: between like The bright Side and Ride, because. 541 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 6: I could see a collab. I totally see. 542 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 4: It's just like you know, somepottico. 543 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 1: A lot of comedians I know make comedy rounds in 544 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:39,679 Speaker 1: terms of stand up. 545 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 2: Their mainstays at the laugh Factory or the comedy store 546 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 2: or the improv and they and that's like their home. 547 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 1: And you've really. 548 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 2: Done it a different way. What is your advice in 549 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 2: terms of doing it your own way? 550 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,360 Speaker 5: I would say the most important thing for me has 551 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 5: been and this applies to comedy, but I think it 552 00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 5: could be applicable to other verticals as well. I am 553 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,400 Speaker 5: my own favorite comedian. And you should do the thing 554 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 5: if you believe that, you are going to love your 555 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 5: work the most, because if you don't believe in the work. 556 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 5: It's actually impossible to convince other people to like sign 557 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 5: on for it. So I just think that is so important. 558 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 5: And if you have a burning desire, like let it 559 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 5: simmer for a bit and see. 560 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 6: If it keeps nagging at you. 561 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, I've blown up my entire life multiple times and 562 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 5: take risks. The fear of it going wrong is worse 563 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,400 Speaker 5: than the reality. 564 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 4: I think, blow it up. Blow it up. 565 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 6: Unless you're joining the armed forces, that is like totally different. 566 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 6: I can't speak to that. They might not work out. 567 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 3: I love that you said blowing that you've blown your 568 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 3: life up multiple times, like I have to, Yes, you 569 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 3: got to blow your life up. 570 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 4: If you're not blowing your life up, what are you doing? 571 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 5: You're not living. That's what life's about. It's just like 572 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 5: I really stand by that. Again, I'm in a position 573 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 5: of privilege because I have a support system. 574 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 2: But I thought you were gonna say you were in 575 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 2: a position of privilege because you have a British boyfriend. 576 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 6: Because I have a British boyfriend. 577 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 5: That yeah, also true, doesn't really stuff just doesn't really 578 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 5: affect me the same way. 579 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 3: Do you ever make him like like reenact certain like 580 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 3: scenes from period films, because that's what I would do 581 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 3: if I had a British boyfriend. 582 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 5: I would if he wasn't constantly getting cast in period 583 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 5: films and TV shows. 584 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 6: So I feel like I get to see it. Yeah, 585 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 6: he's an actor. 586 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 5: He always gets cast as characters who wear blouses, you 587 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 5: know what I mean, Like, he's always in a blouse. 588 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 4: We love a blouse king. 589 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 6: I'm in a blouse right now, and you know what, 590 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 6: it looks good. 591 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 3: I honestly think the world would benefit from more blouse 592 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 3: kings in twenty twenty four. 593 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 1: Is Lenny Kravitz a blouse king? 594 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 3: He's a Did you see him wearing leather pants in 595 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 3: the gym? Did you see that clip of him? 596 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 2: Oh? 597 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 6: You know what I did? 598 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 5: And that's actually crazy behavior from someone who wore leather 599 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 5: pants on stage one time and they split up the front. 600 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 5: So let's just say I would not be running to 601 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 5: wear leather at the gym for him. 602 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 6: But I think it's great. 603 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 2: Mary Beth, we have to take a quick break, but 604 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 2: when we come back, we are going to be brave 605 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 2: like you told us to, diving into some of your 606 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:06,959 Speaker 2: provoking thoughts. 607 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 3: Okay, we are back with Mary Beth buron and we're 608 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 3: gonna flip the script a little right now, and you're 609 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 3: actually going to be in the host chair. 610 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 4: MB. 611 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 3: You have some thought provoking questions for us based on 612 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 3: some of our bright Side themes like friendship, dating, aging, optimism, 613 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 3: et cetera. So the floor is yours, Marybeth, please host 614 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 3: our show. 615 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 6: Okay, So, welcome to the bright Side. I'm Mary. That's brown. 616 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 5: It's so great to be here with such a steam guests, 617 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:40,959 Speaker 5: and I think we should just dive right in. 618 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 6: What are you saying? Do it? 619 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 4: Let's go. 620 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 5: Okay, So I've prepared some questions to provoke thots and 621 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 5: everyone listening. You can also bring these to the group chat, 622 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 5: bring these to the next Hinge date or whatever app 623 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 5: you use, and see what people say, see if you're 624 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 5: in alignment. So the first question has to do with dating. 625 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 5: So my the question to you is would you turn 626 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 5: into an ogre permanently if it meant that you got 627 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 5: to be with the love of your life? 628 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 4: Yeah? 629 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 6: For sure? 630 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, I love Winds. I am such a sucker 631 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 2: for big love. I'm holding out for it. 632 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm all about goblin mode already. Okay, that's like 633 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 3: not a stretch. 634 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 6: This is This isn't even a departure. 635 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 4: No Ogre mode is the next level up from goblin mode. 636 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 4: So that's how you'll evolve. Yeah, I'm here for it. 637 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 5: I will say waiting for big love is totally worth it. 638 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 5: Thank you for that, even if you have to turn 639 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 5: into an ogre. 640 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 2: When I hear other people who find it tell me that, 641 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 2: it makes me be okay holding out, So thank you. 642 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:43,719 Speaker 6: You got to be patient. 643 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 5: But it's what we're on earth to do, is to 644 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 5: like find our big love. So okay, great, you're both 645 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 5: on the right side of history and pro ogre. Next question, 646 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 5: if you did twenty three and meters and found out 647 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,719 Speaker 5: that you had a secret relative, who would be your 648 00:30:58,760 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 5: first call? 649 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 2: I did this, although I think I did ancestry dot Com, 650 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,239 Speaker 2: which is like maybe my biggest regret because now, like 651 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 2: the government has my DNA. 652 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,479 Speaker 6: It's not it. They've probably had it before I have it. 653 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 5: All. 654 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess that's true. I'm like highly findable. 655 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 4: Now. 656 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 2: There's like so many people on ancestry dot Com that 657 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 2: they say I'm related to. It's like my fifth cousin. 658 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 2: There's a million of them all over the world. I 659 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 2: called my grandmother because she's the keeper of our family 660 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 2: tree to see if any of this was legit. 661 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: She was uninterested. She said she has her own ancestry 662 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 1: dot com account and that I need to focus on 663 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 1: my job. 664 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 6: Well, she was like, this is old news. 665 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: Don't leave me with this crap exactly. 666 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 667 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 3: I actually did find out that I have a bonus brother, 668 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 3: but it wasn't through ancestry. I haven't told you this story, 669 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 3: so I guess i'll tell you. 670 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 6: I'm seeded right now. This is huge. 671 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 4: It was huge. 672 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 3: Okay, So I've been an only child my whole life. 673 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 3: Right I was twenty one, I was in college. I'm 674 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 3: home for Thanksgiving. Break says to me, Simone, I need 675 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 3: you to come sit down. We have some big news 676 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 3: to share with you. My heart is pounding outside of 677 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 3: my chest right now. This I'm like reliving that moment 678 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 3: I thought somebody had cancer. I thought somebody was dying. 679 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 3: He tells me, I had a son in college that 680 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 3: I didn't know about, and you have a half brother, 681 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 3: and I in that moment, like it just talk about 682 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 3: blowing up your life, like it blew up my whole life. 683 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 3: So eventually we got to meet and we connected and yeah, 684 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 3: now I have a half brother that I only met 685 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 3: when I was an adult. 686 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:38,479 Speaker 4: It's crazy. 687 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 5: Wow, that's a I mean, that's huge for your whole family. 688 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 2: It is pretty cool too that your dad sat you 689 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 2: down and just told you, Yeah, it's not easy to 690 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:50,239 Speaker 2: share news like that. 691 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: That must have been hard for him. 692 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely. 693 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's like, there's there's some beautiful parts that come 694 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 3: with it. There's obviously a lot of baggage, a lot 695 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 3: of like where you know, just the mes seness of 696 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 3: humanity comes in. But my dad and my brother I 697 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 3: have a really good relationship now I think is as 698 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 3: best as you could hope for. So yeah, it is possible. 699 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 3: You never know, you could have a bonus relative out 700 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 3: there somewhere. 701 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 4: Folks. 702 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: Thanks for sharing with us. 703 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's beautiful. And who is your first call? I 704 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 6: have to know, Oh my first call? 705 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 3: It was probably whoever was in my top eight at 706 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 3: the time on my space. Yeah, one of my one 707 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 3: of my best friends from college. I honestly can't remember it, 708 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 3: but yeah, topic. 709 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 6: Top eight was huge. I mean, talk about divisive. 710 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 5: That was polarization, that was weaponizing social media. Last question, 711 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 5: what's been the most surprising benefit of getting older? 712 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 4: Oh, very bad, hard hitting questions. These are so bright side. 713 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 6: I have to provoke the thoughts. 714 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: I think. For me, it's been surrendering. 715 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 2: I used to feel like I could control everything and 716 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 2: that if I didn't do EXWY and Z, I wouldn't 717 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 2: get a certain outcome. 718 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: And I'm sort of free of that now. 719 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 2: And it's that is freeing, like to know that only 720 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,760 Speaker 2: a certain amount is in your control and not act 721 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 2: out of these deep emotions that you don't understand where. 722 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 1: They're coming from. Yeah, Like when you're in. 723 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 2: College, if there's like a guy that rejects you, you 724 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 2: just go and you like text another guy. And that 725 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 2: is such a like metaphor of like what not to 726 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,319 Speaker 2: do in life, you know, And so that reaction I 727 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 2: don't have anymore. Like if I get rejected by a 728 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 2: man or a job or anything, I don't go put 729 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 2: my mess of emotions on anybody else. 730 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 1: I can self regulate. 731 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 6: Now that's amazing. 732 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you. 733 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 4: I love that. I think the most surprising benefit of 734 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,840 Speaker 4: getting older, I'm torn it's either day drinking or JOEMO, 735 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:58,360 Speaker 4: because day drinking is just fantastic. It's a revelation. 736 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 3: You go your whole adolescent life thinking that you can 737 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,760 Speaker 3: only drink between the hours of nine pm to two am. 738 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,720 Speaker 3: But then when you hit a certain age, your world 739 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 3: just opens up and you could have an aperall Sprits 740 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 3: at eleven am or you know, and then keep drinking 741 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 3: Mimosa's at. 742 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,880 Speaker 4: A bottomless brunch. Damn. 743 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,319 Speaker 3: I mean, all the timeline shift a bit, you know, 744 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,959 Speaker 3: we go to bed a lot earlier, and then Jomo too. 745 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 3: I mean, Jomo is a huge benefit, the joy of 746 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 3: missing out. I don't I don't feel the fear anymore. 747 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 6: I'm so with you. I feel like Jomo is fab 748 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 6: Mary Beth, what's yours? 749 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 2: Well? 750 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 5: Besides being able to like go out to dinner whenever 751 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 5: I want and not be stressed about my bank account, 752 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 5: I think for me, it's just being more honest. Like 753 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 5: I don't really care as much how things are perceived 754 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 5: by others, and I feel like being honest. And I 755 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,839 Speaker 5: read about this in the Bell Hooks book All about Love, 756 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 5: which like really reinforced my approach, which is just like 757 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,160 Speaker 5: I'm way more honest with people, and if if you 758 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 5: want my opinion, I'm going to give you exactly how 759 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,759 Speaker 5: I feel. And if you don't like that, then it's 760 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 5: not like I'm like out being a bitch to everyone. 761 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,280 Speaker 5: It's just like, I will give you my honest response, 762 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 5: and that is something I wasn't always able to do, 763 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 5: and I think that's been really fun to explore, just 764 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 5: being upfront with people. 765 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,799 Speaker 3: This actually reminds me of something that we were just 766 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:24,239 Speaker 3: talking about earlier today, So it's this idea of the 767 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:29,279 Speaker 3: power of being unlikable. There is this Glamour article that 768 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,840 Speaker 3: got us thinking about this, and the headline is learning 769 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,479 Speaker 3: to be unlikable is the best thing I've ever done. 770 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 3: Does that idea resonate with you? 771 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, because I'm not for everyone. 772 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 5: And if I wanted a career where I was palatable 773 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 5: and broad, which is fine and so respectable, I would 774 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,399 Speaker 5: have gone about things completely differently. But I just think 775 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 5: that my comedy and my point of view can be 776 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 5: really polarizing. And I know there's people that think I'm 777 00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 5: just like a mouthy bitch and that's your honest reaction 778 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,239 Speaker 5: to me, and that's fine. But I again like I'm 779 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 5: repelling the right people because I don't care if they 780 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,880 Speaker 5: don't like me. But I think that that's something that 781 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 5: does come with age, and I do credit a lot 782 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 5: of unlikable female characters that have come onto our TV 783 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:16,840 Speaker 5: screens in the last decade. 784 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,320 Speaker 6: Because that's like, that was formative. 785 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 4: Who are some of those unlikable female characters you're thinking of? 786 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 6: The entire cast of girls comes to mind. Yes, Sex 787 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 6: and the City. 788 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,959 Speaker 5: I saw this article recently about gen Z watching Sex 789 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 5: in the City and how the views in it are 790 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 5: outdated and the characters aren't likable. But I'm like, they're complex. 791 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 5: They make choices that you feel are wrong. That's how 792 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 5: everyone leads their lives. They're acting selfishly and they make mistakes, 793 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 5: and I think that seeing that on TV is like 794 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,799 Speaker 5: an important part of accepting ourselves for who we are. 795 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 4: What's your next blow up? Are you gonna? Are you 796 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 4: planning to blow up your life? 797 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,279 Speaker 1: Maybe this is a new thing. Instead of blow up, 798 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 1: it's blow up. 799 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,000 Speaker 4: Oh I love that it's your blow up. 800 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 5: I will tell you, but you have to bleep in. 801 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,399 Speaker 5: I don't want you to cut it, but I want 802 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 5: to spark intrigue. Okay, okay, keep the mystery, keep the mystery. 803 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 2: I might. 804 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 5: Stop, really I might. I'm not sure yet. I'm figuring 805 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,240 Speaker 5: it out. I'm figuring it out. 806 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 4: That I did not see that coming. 807 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,440 Speaker 6: I was thinking, Wow, I have some stuff to figure 808 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 6: out before. 809 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we can make some calls too for you, 810 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:23,439 Speaker 4: like we know something. 811 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:24,279 Speaker 6: I will need it. 812 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,960 Speaker 3: Thanks for sharing your next blow up with us, the 813 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 3: next blow up, Mary Beth. I love what you're bringing 814 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 3: to comedy. Thanks so much for bringing it to the 815 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:31,919 Speaker 3: bright side too. 816 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,360 Speaker 5: Thank you so much for having me. Thanks for watching 817 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,359 Speaker 5: the special. I feel like that makes me feel really good. 818 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 5: I'm going to ride that wave for the five minutes 819 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,480 Speaker 5: after we hang up. I'm going to celebrate that, and 820 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 5: then I'll be back to my toxic thoughts. But this 821 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 5: was so lovely, and thank you for creating a space 822 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,319 Speaker 5: where people can be smiley and talk about funny things 823 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:53,280 Speaker 5: and not funny things. 824 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 6: And I love it. More women with podcasts, please you guys, 825 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,320 Speaker 6: seriously please, it's. 826 00:38:58,160 --> 00:38:59,719 Speaker 4: A boys club out there. Yeah. 827 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's enough, especially in the top ten. One of 828 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 2: my favorite quotes is if you can make them laugh, 829 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 2: you can make them listen. And that's really what I 830 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,759 Speaker 2: think you're doing, so thank you for that. 831 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:10,560 Speaker 4: Thank you. 832 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 3: Mary Beth Barone is a comedian, writer, and actor. You 833 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:25,359 Speaker 3: can watch her latest special, Thought Provoking Now on YouTube. 834 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,320 Speaker 2: I love her dry sense of humor. She really tickles 835 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 2: my funny bone. 836 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 4: I know, she cracks me up, you know. 837 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 2: I love how she created her own content and put 838 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 2: herself on stage and wrote and produced and directed and 839 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:39,600 Speaker 2: financed it. 840 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:44,200 Speaker 1: It's really freaking hard to do that, and she didn't 841 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 1: wait for permission. I feel like. 842 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,839 Speaker 2: In life, at any stage, there's all of these like 843 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,440 Speaker 2: false guardrails that are set up, like you have to 844 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,719 Speaker 2: do a certain thing to get into college, or do 845 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,440 Speaker 2: a certain you have to have a job as an 846 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,959 Speaker 2: assistant before you become a manager. And she just said, 847 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,840 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna wait to do it the way everybody 848 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 2: else has. I'm gonna do it myself. And she gave 849 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,640 Speaker 2: her self permission. And I really respect that. 850 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,400 Speaker 3: You can see how she did that at several different 851 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,840 Speaker 3: turning points in her life. Every step of the way, 852 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,760 Speaker 3: she's giving herself permission, and she's not afraid to blow 853 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:22,200 Speaker 3: up her life. I'm still thinking about that phrase, blow 854 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:23,359 Speaker 3: ups over glow ups. 855 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:24,759 Speaker 4: You like that one? I love it. 856 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:26,960 Speaker 3: She's the queen of blow ups. I can't wait to 857 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,000 Speaker 3: see what she does next. I think if we watch her, 858 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 3: we'll be amazed to see where she goes in Like 859 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:32,200 Speaker 3: the next ten years. 860 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it could take some twists and turns. 861 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 2: She's highly intelligent, just like most funny people are. 862 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 4: Mm hmm, very true. 863 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,240 Speaker 3: All right, bright Side besties, we are featuring our April 864 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,799 Speaker 3: Reese's book Club pick on the show very soon. The 865 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 3: author is Clara Lombardo and the book is the most 866 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,200 Speaker 3: fun we ever had. So send in your questions for 867 00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,239 Speaker 3: Claire to Hello at the bright Side podcast dot com, and. 868 00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:59,240 Speaker 1: You don't want to miss Tomorrow. 869 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,840 Speaker 2: We're talking about out what so many women on the 870 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:06,480 Speaker 2: internet are talking about birth control. Fortunately, we have an 871 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,240 Speaker 2: expert here obg y N and CEO of sanctum Med Wellness, 872 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 2: doctor Jessica Shepherd is answering all of our questions about 873 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,800 Speaker 2: side effects, pain and how to feel confident in choosing 874 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,160 Speaker 2: a birth control method that's right for you. 875 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:20,520 Speaker 6: Oof. 876 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 3: Such an important topic. All right, that's it for today's show. 877 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,959 Speaker 3: Listen and follow The bright Side on the iHeartRadio app, 878 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,480 Speaker 3: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 879 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:29,399 Speaker 4: I'm Simone Voice. 880 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,400 Speaker 3: You can find me at simone Voice on Instagram and TikTok. 881 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,280 Speaker 1: I'm Danielle Robe on Instagram and TikTok. 882 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,000 Speaker 4: That's ro Ba y see you tomorrow. 883 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:46,719 Speaker 3: Folks, keep looking on the bright side.