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Speaker 2: I don't have a great answer for you. I'm sure there's, uh,

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Speaker 2: all avenues, if you will, Yeah, not impacting my plans.

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Speaker 7: Want to come back, want to come back?

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Speaker 3: How great was that? So there's no doubt.

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Speaker 7: I mean, it's a tremendous show.

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Speaker 3: Paul Skeens is like, I think she's hitting high on

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Speaker 3: the radar.

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Speaker 2: Gun.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that I am.

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Speaker 7: So. I got another one for You've watched Severance yet?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I have not watched Severence yet. I was

447
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Speaker 3: going to tell you Paradise is one that I've been

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Speaker 3: watching the time.

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Speaker 7: I've heard that this one not Ye noted me.

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Speaker 5: I need to check out Seference though it's I heard.

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Speaker 5: It's really good. It's one of the best shows. I

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Speaker 5: think there has not been a time like I've enjoyed

453
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Speaker 5: Landman thoroughly. And it's it's fun, it's popcorn. I think

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Speaker 5: about the show when I'm not watching it, because that's

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Speaker 5: a great endorsement right there. It's incredible. Okay, So after

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Speaker 5: the draft, yes, when you watch this season one finale,

457
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Speaker 5: when you're done, please just text me.

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Speaker 7: You call me either way.

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Speaker 8: Either way in your in your draft analysis, where does

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Speaker 8: the combine sit in terms of what you believe the

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Speaker 8: combine and then where you get by the time we

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Speaker 8: get to the draft.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's funny the combine takes. I think sometimes

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Speaker 3: it takes an unnecessary beating. I think it got to

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Speaker 3: be in vogue that the combine was really overrated, and

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Speaker 3: it's the underwear Olympics, and it's this, that and everything,

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Speaker 3: And I get where people are coming from the end

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Speaker 3: of the day, the tape should win. But there's also

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Speaker 3: you have to remember when you're watching tape, the people

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Speaker 3: you're evaluating are not always playing against NFL people. It's

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Speaker 3: not apples to apples, correct, all Right, I was a

472
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Speaker 3: decent college player. I didn't make it in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: So if you're evaluating someone against me, that's not a

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Speaker 3: good evaluation. Now some of my teammates that's a real

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Speaker 3: good evaluation because they made it in the NFL. If

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Speaker 3: you understand what I'm saying. So here it's everyone against

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Speaker 3: everyone in the same condition at pretty much the same time,

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Speaker 3: in the same drills, with the same eyeballs on them.

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Speaker 3: And yes, they're gonna be guys that opt out and

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Speaker 3: they'll do the pro day and what have you. But

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Speaker 3: for the most part, you build that good baseline. You

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Speaker 3: get to see it and you have to see if

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Speaker 3: that stuff matches up to what you saw. Connotation when

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Speaker 3: he beats someone up on tape or he runs by

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Speaker 3: someone on tape. Soone a wise person said to me

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Speaker 3: years ago, Mike Mayo. He said, a lot of what

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Speaker 3: the combine is, it confirms what you thought, and it

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Speaker 3: also will lead you back to the tape if you

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Speaker 3: have questions. That's what he That's what he said. That's

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Speaker 3: with a lot of what you get out of the combine.

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Speaker 3: And Mike's one of the smartest guys I know and

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Speaker 3: a phenomenal evaluator. And I try to listen occasionally.

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Speaker 5: It certainly is a good thing. I did a lot

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Speaker 5: of listening yesterday and I'm better for it. I certainly

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Speaker 5: enjoyed that. When you think about you know, you talk

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Speaker 5: about that aspect of it, and then there's another aspect

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Speaker 5: of it, and it's the conversation you had with Great

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Speaker 5: co Sell yesterday, for you talking to people around the league,

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Speaker 5: talking to people whose opinions you also respect, Hey, did

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Speaker 5: we see this the same way? Is that information side

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Speaker 5: of it, and not just for evaluators but for the

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Speaker 5: actual teams themselves, almost as big of a deal as

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Speaker 5: everything that happens that's on camera for the world to see.

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Speaker 3: I think it is is I think for a lot

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Speaker 3: of the scouts, cross checking and doing things of that nature.

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Speaker 3: But you also have the ones where you have such

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Speaker 3: conviction on a guy you don't want anyone else to

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Speaker 3: know it.

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Speaker 7: Yep.

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Speaker 3: Just how conviction, how much conviction you have Jay Cutler,

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Speaker 3: Remember when he went to Denver, they never worked him out,

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Speaker 3: They didn't even meet with him because they knew what

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Speaker 3: they wanted didn't want anyone else to know. Now. I

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Speaker 3: think there's less of that nowadays. It was, but there's

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Speaker 3: still an element of being very careful about just who

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Speaker 3: you're sharing info with and what you're listening to. And

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Speaker 3: I liken it to a golf swing. Now, my golf

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Speaker 3: sing's not the greatest in the world. Okay, if you

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Speaker 3: see me swing it, you'll go, oh, okay, I'm Gonning.

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Speaker 3: But when I talked with people who are in the

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Speaker 3: golf world but which I used to be in way

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Speaker 3: back when when I worked in it, they were always

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Speaker 3: talking about if you're a player, you have your swing coach,

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Speaker 3: but you don't have multiple swing coaches, because if you

525
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Speaker 3: have multiple sledding coaches, you're going to do it multiple ways.

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Speaker 3: And guess what, now, you're just screwed up. It's one way,

527
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Speaker 3: same thing. Or when you're coaching, how are we coaching

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Speaker 3: this quarterback? Everyone better be in alignment and better be

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Speaker 3: saying it the same way and the same time in

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Speaker 3: the same area, otherwise you're messing the whole thing up.

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Speaker 3: That's why as much as Carson Wentz takes grief now,

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Speaker 3: his development early was exceptional.

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Speaker 7: Because of the league, the riff you go back.

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Speaker 3: Doug Peterson was the head coach, quarterback guy, Frank right,

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Speaker 3: head off, it's going to a quarterback guy, John d

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Speaker 3: Philippal quarterbacks coach, and all of them coached him with

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Speaker 3: the same language, the same stuff and what have you,

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Speaker 3: and it was really working. He doesn't hurt his knee

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Speaker 3: in Los Angeles against the Rams. He's the MVP of

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Speaker 3: that year and who knows what happens.

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Speaker 7: That's the thing.

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Speaker 8: It's the circumstances these guys find themselves in that's so critical.

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Speaker 8: We're sitting there at number two in this draft. Most

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Speaker 8: people think it's going to be a quarterback at number two.

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Speaker 8: The two guys who are mentioned most are very, very

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Speaker 8: different in terms of the way they go about their business.

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Speaker 8: How would you if you were in the position that

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Speaker 8: Andrew Berry is in to pick a quarterback at two?

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Speaker 7: How would you.

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Speaker 8: Weigh potentially maybe somebody who's maybe a better scheme fit.

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Speaker 8: Maybe that would be shaduor versus someone who maybe has

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Speaker 8: a little bit more upside. What would be more important

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Speaker 8: to you?

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Speaker 3: I don't worry about scheme fit as much because I

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Speaker 3: believe my coaching staff is going to fit the scheme

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Speaker 3: to the talents of the player or tweak it to

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Speaker 3: the talents of the player. So I don't worry about

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Speaker 3: scheme fit. And in Cleveland, I definitely don't worry about

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Speaker 3: it because I have a ton of confidence. And you

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Speaker 3: guys know I'm not saying this because I'm just sitting

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Speaker 3: here with you. I've said the same thing for multiple years,

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Speaker 3: and I stand by it. I have a lot of

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Speaker 3: confidence in Andrew Berry. I have a lot of confidence

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Speaker 3: in Kevin Stefanski. So I don't worry about those two

565
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Speaker 3: at all and worry about what we're going to do there.

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Speaker 3: I want the player that's going to fit best with

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Speaker 3: my team and best as leading my team, the person

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Speaker 3: I'm going to be comfortable with. That's why I think

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Speaker 3: these personal interviews for both of them are going to

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Speaker 3: be absolutely what teams decide about why they like them more,

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Speaker 3: one more than the other.

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Speaker 7: I really do.

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Speaker 3: I don't think the athleticism of cam Ward versus Shador

574
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Speaker 3: Sanders being more technically proficient, will be much of the tiebreaker. Now,

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Speaker 3: some teams may go, I'm a little risk averse in

576
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Speaker 3: a faster the case, then cam Ward may not be

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Speaker 3: your guy. But what I would point out to them is, hey,

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Speaker 3: maybe you go through a few things with them and

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Speaker 3: then you get Josh Allen in an MVP year, Because

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Speaker 3: how many times did you watch Josh and you're going, Okay,

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Speaker 3: oh I did it. He didn't do it this year?

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Speaker 5: Did he?

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Speaker 3: The wild horse caged it in but was still oh

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Speaker 3: my god, he was war admiral man. One guys will

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Speaker 3: know who war admiral is warmos who see biscuit beat

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Speaker 3: in the match race. Warrama was a triple crown winner

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Speaker 3: and no one thought they could beat him. So I

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Speaker 3: told my guy, Randy Moss, not the great receiver, Randy Moss,

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Speaker 3: the horse guy, triple Randy Moss is that guy so

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Speaker 3: smart I will call from times, I said, Randy, I

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Speaker 3: got a guy who does this, this, this and this,

592
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Speaker 3: and he goes, okay, he is this horse right. So

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Speaker 3: I was using war and I said, hey, Josh Allen

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Speaker 3: warre Adam. He goes, Yeah, I get it, he goes.

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Speaker 3: But Charles Warredble was you know, like the thirties or

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Speaker 3: the forties or whatmember it was. I said, why don't

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Speaker 3: you get a little more contemporary? I said, okay, well

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Speaker 3: who is he? They say he's justified twenty eighteen triple

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Speaker 3: crown win.

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Speaker 7: That was.

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Speaker 3: That's Josh Allen right Now. If you worry about all

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Speaker 3: that all the time and you don't think you can

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Speaker 3: coach them to get better, then maybe you don't have

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Speaker 3: the right people in place. That's not the case in Cleveland,

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Speaker 3: So I'm not worried about that.

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Speaker 7: You get the best ball of clay, get the best

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Speaker 7: ball play.

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Speaker 3: But the balla clay that you as a staff and

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Speaker 3: an organization are comfortable with that. He's going to be

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Speaker 3: my leader and my team is going to gravitate towards him.

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Speaker 3: That's what I have to have. I don't know either

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Speaker 3: one of these young men well enough to say one

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Speaker 3: way or the other. I just know that when I

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Speaker 3: would turn on tape and watch them play, I was like,

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Speaker 3: I'll take those two. I'll take either one of those

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Speaker 3: core perfects because I think they're really good players.

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Speaker 5: Perfect that's what we want. That's what that's where we're

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Speaker 5: That's really where this organization is right now. That and

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Speaker 5: you have that opportunity is a life raft to be

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Speaker 5: picking second.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know listen, Andrew Berry chemist fans the Browns,

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Speaker 3: They're going to do their homework on this based off

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Speaker 3: of what has happened with the free agent signing of

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Speaker 3: Deshaun Watson. This is crucial, right if you're going to

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Speaker 3: indego quarterback, it is absolutely crucial. There can't be a miss.

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Speaker 7: On this one, not just saying it easily. One of

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Speaker 7: our favorite guests. We got a lamb man, you got

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Speaker 7: an Alley larder, we got a Ver City Blues got

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Speaker 7: a war admiral. We gotta justified.

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Speaker 3: How about that.

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Speaker 5: That's versatility and we have the sever to look forward.

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Speaker 5: We got quarterback conviction, We got everything we wanted all

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Speaker 5: the box.

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Speaker 3: You guys gotta check out Paradise.

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Speaker 8: Not the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. Coach Tefanski coming

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Speaker 8: All right, joined by the head coach of your Cleveland Browns,

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Speaker 8: You time NFL Coach the Year, Kevin Stefans. You're joining

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Speaker 8: us here in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 8: Well, you had your podium session, you had your little breakaway.

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Speaker 8: Now you're here with us, which is kind of the.

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Speaker 2: The best out of those three. Are you just saying

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Speaker 2: that because we're here, no, we can spread out.

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Speaker 7: There's not people to breathe because we were here. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: I was hopeful. Okay, it's mostly guys. You did get

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Speaker 7: us quarters. It's the first time we did this.

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Speaker 2: Which was very and you mentioned every time I think

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Speaker 2: you're coming on a little strong. Guys, you can't ask

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Speaker 2: for this nothing.

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Speaker 7: It was so generous.

657
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 2: Yes, not talking about because now I'm waiting for the

658
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 2: right moment. I want you to be surprised by it.

659
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'll be surprised if you want to throw it

660
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 7: on a little dream nit somewhere collapse, we can really

661
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 7: come well, I noticed whatever these are.

662
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 2: Just looking for something that you can wear on the

663
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 2: golf course? Is that true?

664
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 7: Golf course? The show so basically never take off.

665
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 5: Yes, those things are all the same now, maybe even

666
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 5: to a white table cloth.

667
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 7: I mean we're evolving as a society. We are to

668
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 7: be fair man, are we well?

669
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 5: Also a great question as it relates to this being

670
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 5: able to be worn in a great many places.

671
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 7: Yes, in otherwise perhaps not.

672
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 8: How this first time we've had a chance to talk

673
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 8: to you since since the season. I know you do

674
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 8: the self scout and and take a look back at

675
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 8: all of it. Obviously a lot to this question, but

676
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 8: I'll just phrase it this way.

677
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 7: What did you learn.

678
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 3: Quite a bit?

679
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 2: And you know that's that's a tough year. Three wins

680
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 2: is is not what any of us set out to do, players,

681
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 2: coach of staff, ownership, fans, you name it. So that's tough,

682
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 2: and that's uh. You better learn some some things in

683
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,919
Speaker 2: a season like that so that you can apply those things.

684
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 2: So you know, you learn things about how you are

685
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 2: with the football team, You learn things about schematics in

686
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,479
Speaker 2: those type of moments. You certainly learn things about guys

687
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 2: when Hey, things aren't going our way, how are we

688
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 2: going to respond to that? And that's one of the

689
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 2: things I will tell you. There's not much that you're

690
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 2: happy about coming out of that season. There's not much

691
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 2: at all. But the way the guys kept fighting throughout.

692
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 2: And I say fighting not just in the games and

693
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 2: competing that's easy, but at practice and competing at practice

694
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 2: and pushing each other at practice that those are hard

695
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 2: when you're eliminated from the playoffs. And I thought that

696
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 2: was a great testament to the leadership on our football

697
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 2: team to keep those guys fighting to the end.

698
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 5: One of the things that I know you've known over

699
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 5: the course of your tenure, and that has been kind

700
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 5: of reinforced it. It's very hard to win, see without

701
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 5: consistent quarterback play, and that is really kind of the

702
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 5: goal of any organization is to find that and then

703
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,439
Speaker 5: you can That's the leaping off point right to see

704
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 5: what we can accomplish as you come here. You've already

705
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 5: got a lot of questions earlier today about that position.

706
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 5: Browns hold a second pick in the draft. I wanted

707
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 5: to kind of just either have you reiterate or maybe

708
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 5: I only got a SoundBite of it earlier. But when

709
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 5: you talk about the quarterback position, what are kind of

710
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 5: the three non negotiables or the three most important things

711
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,720
Speaker 5: you want out of the player in that position.

712
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 2: I think people rank traits differently. Some people would say

713
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 2: accuracy is the number one thing that you need, and

714
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 2: I wouldn't argue with them. Other people would say decision

715
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 2: making is the number one thing you and I would argue.

716
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 3: With them either.

717
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 2: I mean, these are important things. How the prospect how

718
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 2: the person brings those to the table varies. Leadership ability,

719
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 2: you know, how they bring the team around matters. Then

720
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,919
Speaker 2: you start talking about athleticism, then you start talking about

721
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 2: arm strength. So there's so many traits that go into

722
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 2: playing this quarterback position, and I think when we look

723
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 2: around the league, they come in all shapes and sizes,

724
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 2: and there's guys that beat you from the pocket. There's

725
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 2: guys that beat you from outside the pocket. There's guys

726
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 2: that can beat you in the RPO game, there's guys

727
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 2: that it's just there's so many different ways to do it.

728
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 2: So for us, when you're looking at all these traits,

729
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 2: you're looking for a combination of all these traits. But

730
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 2: certainly I think decision making and accuracy should be at

731
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 2: the top of the list.

732
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 5: So there's one thing I wanted to ask you about

733
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 5: because you know, for amateurs who are watching this or

734
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 5: people who are watching tape, one of the things that's

735
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 5: very difficult when you're evaluating a quarterback, for example, it's

736
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 5: easier to see maybe see the physical traits than it

737
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 5: is some of the other things, the intangibles, the decision making,

738
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 5: all of that, because we don't necessarily know how they

739
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 5: were coached. Watching the tape, you can give your best guess.

740
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 5: You can say, Okay, looks like this is the route

741
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 5: combination they're gonna give. It's this coverage, it's gonna go here,

742
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 5: But you don't know. In the case of these two quarterbacks,

743
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 5: I know we have tremendous ties to the University of

744
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 5: Miami in our organization, and you are the quarterbacks coach

745
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 5: for Pat Shermer in twenty seventeen in Minnesota, so you

746
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 5: actually are in a pretty good position to say how

747
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 5: did you and know when you're watching tape exactly what

748
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 5: you're watching. Does that give you a nice advantage or

749
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 5: insight really into the tape that maybe other people couldn't have.

750
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 2: I think it really speaks, Nathan, to the complete picture.

751
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 2: You know, as when you first start evaguating the quarterbacks

752
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 2: in this draft, you put the tape on and here

753
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 2: I am sitting there and watching the tape, and just

754
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,919
Speaker 2: like our fans are watching the tape, and I'm asking

755
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 2: that same question, what is he thinking on this play?

756
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 2: Why did he make that decision? And then you make

757
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 2: a mental note of it, or you tag that play,

758
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 2: and then you get into settings like this, or you

759
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 2: go to the pro day, or you bring them up

760
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 2: to your building on those thirty visits, and then you

761
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 2: can delve into those questions and because that's all part

762
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 2: if you want to have a complete picture, sure these guys,

763
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 2: the tape is really really really important. The tape is

764
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 2: your resume, but also understanding how they're taught, how they

765
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 2: think about football, is really important. And then, as you mentioned,

766
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 2: you know, having Pat Shermer, who's a dear friend of

767
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 2: mine and obviously a big part of my career, getting

768
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 2: him on the phone to talk about Shador, talk about Travis,

769
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 2: talk about, Hey, who are the defensive ends you went

770
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: against this year? Who are the corners that you win

771
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 2: against this year? So I try to mine Pat and

772
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 2: all my good friends that are in college football for

773
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 2: try to get as much information from them as certainly possible.

774
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 2: But I think it speaks to trying to put together

775
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 2: a complete picture of these players, which is the tape

776
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 2: and their background and getting to know them and the

777
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 2: type of person they are and how they process information,

778
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 2: how they think about the game. You really, it's what's

779
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 2: today's date, February twenty six. Yes, we don't have the

780
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 2: complete picture just yet. We got to get through the

781
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 2: pro day, We got to get through their measurements, we

782
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 2: got to get through their you know, private workout, the

783
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 2: thirty visits when we bring them up to Berea. All

784
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 2: of that will then give us a complete picture. But

785
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 2: that what we're doing now is formulating that.

786
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 8: And you have all of that, and then there's one

787
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 8: other thing, because you're sitting there at number two, or

788
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 8: if you're going to draft a quarterback high, it better

789
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 8: be a personality fit. It's a face of a franchise.

790
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 8: There is a responsibility that comes with those type of things.

791
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 8: How do you is there a personality thing that also

792
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 8: has to those boxes had when you're looking at that

793
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 8: complete picture? How important is that part of it? Because

794
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 8: it's a different amount of pressure being a quarterback in

795
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 8: the National Football League.

796
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 2: It is, And I would tell you the guys in

797
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 2: this draft are really really impressive, and I'm talking the

798
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 2: entire class really has been impressive. And I think that's

799
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,240
Speaker 2: part of it, that the complete picture also includes personality

800
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 2: and also includes how they're going to be in the

801
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 2: locker room and with their teammates. So it's important at

802
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 2: the quarterback position, it's really important at every position. So

803
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 2: as we spend time here at the combine, we're sitting

804
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 2: with every position, we're sitting to get to know all

805
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: these guys. Because I know having the second overall pick,

806
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 2: I get how important that is. I do I also

807
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 2: know pick thirty three and then so on and so forth.

808
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 2: All of those matters, So you have to do your

809
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 2: due diligence. You have to do your homework on all

810
00:39:58,800 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 2: of these players.

811
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 5: When you bring a stage on the quarterback or he

812
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 5: could be any player, but quarterback. I think because of

813
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 5: the decision making aspect of it. They're handling the ball

814
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 5: and deciding where it ultimately goes. You know, as you

815
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 5: go through and you know, kind of strolling through some

816
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,479
Speaker 5: of my notes here that I made on these two guys,

817
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 5: there were plays where I was like, they didn't go

818
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 5: the way I thought they wouldn't.

819
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 7: Those are the ones I wanted to ask about for you.

820
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 5: Is it do you want to watch ones where maybe

821
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 5: they go through multip aggresions or is it ones where hey,

822
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 5: I think I saw it like this, you look this way,

823
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 5: but you still did this.

824
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 7: What a kind of the plays that would you really

825
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 7: like to go through them with the player?

826
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting. We were just talking about that

827
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,439
Speaker 2: with one of the players today and it's like, okay,

828
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 2: what got you back to this? And he said, matchup?

829
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 2: He said, literally, his player versus that player. He's like

830
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 2: at that corner. We knew all week that when he

831
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 2: was in his pedal he was susceptible to this move.

832
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 2: And I'm like Okay, makes sense. Naturally, as you're watching

833
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 2: the tape, you wouldn't think that that would be the

834
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 2: first read. But he had a great reason for it.

835
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 2: And that's so much of what this is. Like, Hey,

836
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 2: tell me what your thought process is. Because the tape

837
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 2: is awesome. We all love the tape. It doesn't tell

838
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 2: the complete story.

839
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, and big picture wise, when you you talk about two,

840
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 8: you talk about thirty three, you talk about how deep

841
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 8: this draft is. Obviously you don't want to be picking

842
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 8: in these type of places again, but we haven't had

843
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 8: a one in a while. We get one of those back.

844
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 8: We've got a ton of picks here. This is a

845
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 8: real shot in the arm for this roster. What you

846
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 8: guys are going to do over the next couple of months.

847
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 2: We're gonna add good players, and obviously, being where we are,

848
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 2: hope not to be here again. But while we're here,

849
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 2: we're going to add some good players. And you know,

850
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 2: as we know, you can trade up, you can trade back.

851
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 2: There's a thousand different ways to do this thing. But

852
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 2: I do know that with the players that I've seen

853
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 2: on tape, the players that I've met with down here

854
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 2: at every position, it's pretty exciting because there's some talented

855
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 2: kids down here.

856
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 5: Do you feel like there's been some evolution in the

857
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 5: league in the sense that, and maybe this is a

858
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 5: one year an nominally, but the top toll scoring teams

859
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 5: league they went to the postseason this year, eleven of

860
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 5: them had first round quarterbacks, the one exception of the

861
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 5: Super Bowl champion Jalen Hurts, who was the second round quarterback.

862
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 5: But it's been, you know, two years ago, top three

863
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 5: in the MVP voting. Is it almost easier to build

864
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 5: a team that can score points and have that does

865
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 5: that travel better year over year?

866
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 7: Given the rules?

867
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 5: It's so hard to play defense in the NFL, you know,

868
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 5: so when you think about kind of the assets when

869
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 5: you're going into it, it's like, look, if we can

870
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 5: score twenty four a game, we're gonna be.

871
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 3: A tough Yeah.

872
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 2: I think that's I think everybody's thinking that way naturally.

873
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 2: The roster and how it shakes out and who you're

874
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 2: able to get. You try to put a good football

875
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 2: team that gets you in that dance and then you know,

876
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 2: you see where.

877
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 3: The chips fall at the end.

878
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 2: But certainly, if you can have a high powered offense,

879
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 2: that's making the other team hang with you and that

880
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 2: Super Bowls No, you know, very fresh on all of

881
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 2: our minds. That was an impressive defensive performance certainly and

882
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 2: also just offensively how they were able to hit big

883
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 2: plays down the field.

884
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 8: One of the things that we haven't a chance to

885
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 8: discuss with you is all the changes to your staff

886
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 8: when you make those changes, and in terms of what

887
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 8: you envisioned it being and then the reality of it,

888
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 8: how close was it and how happy are you with

889
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 8: with what this new staff will be, all the new

890
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 8: faces on the staff and what they will bring.

891
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, really impressed with this group. I think Tommy Reese

892
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 2: is doing an outstanding job with the offensive coaches. They're

893
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 2: meeting right now as we speak. They have some meetings

894
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 2: down here at the Combine and cover some ground. But

895
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 2: really impressive group that they work really well together. We're

896
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 2: studying a lot of things, trends around the league and

897
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 2: making sure that we're at the forefront of everything we're doing.

898
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,439
Speaker 2: And then, like I mentioned earlier, you know, you're putting

899
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 2: a foundation of an offense together. That's really really important.

900
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,399
Speaker 2: They have a strong sound foundation that you can fall

901
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 2: back on now that will adjust based on the players

902
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 2: you get and the players that you get, whether it's

903
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,720
Speaker 2: in the draft, whether it's in free agency, all those things.

904
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 2: As you get to April and you start to understand

905
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 2: what the roster may look like, that's when you start

906
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 2: to lean into some different things. But you better start

907
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 2: with a really sound foundation.

908
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,919
Speaker 5: How important was it to you when you think about

909
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 5: and we're not saying it's happening it too, although the

910
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 5: chance that certainly it will that you guys are going

911
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 5: to have a young quarterback that comes in, I would

912
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 5: guess to this organization this year, how important was.

913
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 2: It to have?

914
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 7: You know, you've been in this league and done it

915
00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 7: a long time.

916
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 5: You got built us Grave, who has been very well tenured,

917
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 5: but then to also have Tommy who's young, who was

918
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 5: playing college quarterback not that long ago, when you know

919
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 5: two years ago was the OC at Alabama. To have

920
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 5: somebody who's kind of connected to more of that modern

921
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 5: college game and the way quarterbacks coming.

922
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 7: How do you see that meshing together? And was that

923
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 7: part of the decision, because it was.

924
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 2: I think it's a really nice pairing of Tommy and

925
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 2: Bill for a couple of different reasons, just their pedigrees

926
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Speaker 2: and like you mentioned, I mean Tommy is young in

927
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 2: his career, but it's an impressive career. I think if

928
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 2: you call plays for Nick Saban, that's worth twenty years

929
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,919
Speaker 2: of your time. But he's a really, really good young coach.

930
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 2: And then you have Bill who's been there, done that,

931
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 2: both as a quarterback in this league. He's won a

932
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 2: Super Bowl, He's been a backup to Steve Young, John Elway,

933
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 2: Peyton Manning late in his career, has been an offense corner,

934
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 2: been a quarterback coach. So he has a lot of

935
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 2: pelts on the wall, so to speak. So to have

936
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Speaker 2: he and Tommy together with that quarterback position, I think

937
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 2: it's important. And those guys have a really strong relationship,

938
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 2: which is no small thing as well.

939
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Speaker 8: Yeah, kind of a transitional face offensively as well as

940
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 8: you guys, when you put this all together, I've heard

941
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 8: you say this, we will shape it to our players.

942
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 8: When you say, what are the Cleveland Browns offensively? What

943
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 8: is your answer to that?

944
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 2: Well, I think we talked about having a sound scheme

945
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 2: that has an efficient run game, is explosive in the

946
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 2: run in the past game. Those are the key things

947
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 2: what we're looking at. We'd love to be multiple and

948
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 2: versatile a lot of that is dependent on the players

949
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 2: that we do get. That's where it's our job to

950
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 2: make sure that the guys that we get we're playing

951
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 2: to all their strength. So there's ways that we can

952
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 2: lean into some things that people are doing with pre

953
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 2: snap movement, and that's based on the guys that we get,

954
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 2: and there's other things that people are doing with different

955
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: bigger bodies in the backfield, if you will, that's really

956
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 2: based on the guys we get. So the first part

957
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 2: I would say is putting a system together, sound system

958
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 2: that we all can teach that we feel really strong about.

959
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 2: And then as it becomes apparent who the key guys are,

960
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 2: who are the ball in hand players, if you will,

961
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 2: now you adjust what you're doing based on.

962
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 5: That, and kind of as we talk about, you know,

963
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 5: the trends in the league in the way things seem

964
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 5: to evolve. It's all of a sudden man being able

965
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 5: to run the ball back at the top of the list, right,

966
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 5: And we obviously did that very well in your time here,

967
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 5: Nick Chubbing those four straight seasons. We all hope that

968
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 5: whatever road that takes leads him certainly back to Cleveland.

969
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 5: But this is a draft that is loaded at that position.

970
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 5: It's a draft that's also loaded at tight end, and

971
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 5: you're seeing more kind of that twelve personnel to create

972
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 5: mismatches and help the ground game, but then also put

973
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 5: defenses in a buying in the pass game. That's something

974
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 5: early in your tenure here, we did a lot of

975
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 5: it and did very very well. Is that something that

976
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 5: some of those things you hope to get more back to.

977
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 5: I would say I think it. It remains to be seen.

978
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 3: Certainly.

979
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 2: That's there's things that we want to do, and it's

980
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 2: gonna be predicated on the guys that we have in

981
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 2: the ross four. So I say that to say in

982
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 2: twenty five, are you going to say rehaul and get

983
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 2: everything at these positions that Hey, we're going to lean

984
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 2: into tight ends, We're gonna lean into running backs. It's

985
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 2: so dependent on the guys that you are able to

986
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 2: bring in. So we'll see how that all shakes out. Obviously,

987
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 2: as you know, the tight end position has been one

988
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 2: that we think very highly of. There's versatility to that position.

989
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 2: I think if you look around the league and some

990
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 2: of the good offenses and the way they're using those

991
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 2: guys to make life hard on the defense, that factors

992
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 2: into it. But you have to see how the draft

993
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:15,280
Speaker 2: shakes out. You certainly have to see how free agency

994
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 2: drist shakes out.

995
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 5: The CBD draft has us going five offensive players first

996
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 5: one oh two.

997
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 7: So that's right.

998
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 2: So the offense don't tell Jim that the offensive coach

999
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 2: weapons are happy points can't say the same about Jim

1000
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 2: and the defensiveff be less of coach Great sceni Great

1001
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Speaker 2: Scenior Boys.

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Speaker 8: Appreciate the rest of the week, and we'll see you

1003
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Speaker 7: That was fun.

1020
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 8: It was good seeing coach monster off season obviously for

1021
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 8: him from a roster building standpoint as they put this

1022
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 8: thing together. But a bunch of good football players coming

1023
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 8: into this mix and probably still two more months. Hard

1024
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 8: to wrap your head around. It feels like when we're

1025
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 8: here that it's right around the corner, but it's not.

1026
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 8: We still got a couple of months here.

1027
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 7: Agreed.

1028
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's still a ways to go, and you're obviously

1029
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 5: going to have you know, free agency in the middle.

1030
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 5: But I thought, you know, Kevin Stefanski was so upbeat, engaged,

1031
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 5: locked in. I thought, I really got a good vibe

1032
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 5: from him. Tells me, I think that he's this how

1033
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 5: I'm going to read it. Yep, he knows that he's

1034
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 5: going to get somebody that he can work with that

1035
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 5: can turn this thing around. That's how I was reading

1036
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 5: that that. Okay, you know we picked second. There are

1037
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 5: two guys in this draft that I think we can

1038
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 5: get great production out of that can become the leaders

1039
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 5: of our organization. Now, maybe the case that we like

1040
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 5: one way more than the other, and maybe you try

1041
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 5: to get yourself up there and make sure you get

1042
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 5: that player. But I read that as somebody that is

1043
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 5: confident that we're going to be in position to turn

1044
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 5: this thing around. And I think that you know, you

1045
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 5: talk about it's funny how we kind of just connected

1046
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 5: these dots, you and I sitting here earlier today, or

1047
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 5: maybe we had connect them before but not verbalized it.

1048
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 7: I don't know.

1049
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 5: In your case, I can say I kind of connected

1050
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 5: the dots today that we're going to know these quarterbacks. Yeah,

1051
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,240
Speaker 5: as well as, if not better than any organization.

1052
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 7: In the NFL.

1053
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 8: It is the advantage that we have because of the

1054
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 8: personal experience, the personal experiences and relationships that our coaching

1055
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 8: stat has and our front office has with the two

1056
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 8: institutions or the people coaching the two quarterbacks.

1057
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Speaker 7: Is there's nobody.

1058
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 8: I can't imagine there's anybody else in the league or

1059
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 8: a very short list of teams around the league that

1060
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 8: would have that type of inside intel. The real truth,

1061
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 8: if you will, on these two quarterbacks, it's that they

1062
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,800
Speaker 8: will we have no idea what they're going to do.

1063
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 8: We have no idea what the draft's going to be.

1064
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 7: Who knows.

1065
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 8: But what I think you can say absolutely is that

1066
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 8: the Cleveland Browns, Kevin Stefanski, this front office, ab all

1067
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 8: of them, they will have consensus on one of these

1068
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 8: two guys, and they will like one more than the other.

1069
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 8: It's and that they they may like them both, they

1070
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 8: may both, they may be thrilled with either one of them,

1071
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 8: and God willing, that's the situation. But the reality is

1072
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 8: that that that they are going to know as much

1073
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 8: about these two guys as anybody to shape their opinion

1074
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 8: on what to do at number two. And it's an

1075
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 8: advantage that is the it is nice.

1076
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Speaker 7: Timing of its huture, especially and it's.

1077
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Speaker 8: Crazy like Colorado and Miami, well, especially in the Colorado

1078
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Speaker 8: side of it, but to have even Miami, who's the

1079
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 8: last Miami quarterback who was near a top of the draft.

1080
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 7: No, it's been Vinnie agree, I mean it's been a

1081
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 7: long time, man.

1082
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Speaker 5: Yeah, because you think about some of the guys that

1083
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 5: were very productive there, who was Ken Dorsey who was

1084
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 5: just with us and Genoterretta.

1085
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,720
Speaker 8: Right, and you go back to like Vinnie and Bernie.

1086
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 8: But that's way bad like everything nineties on.

1087
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 5: No college football, and they can't even think of when

1088
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 5: I'm sure you would have that at the ready if

1089
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 5: you could. I think when the Colorado cay think about

1090
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 5: Bill Musker's relationship with the you think about the fact

1091
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 5: that Kevin was the quarterback coach for Pat Shermer. So

1092
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 5: not only do they have a great relationship and they

1093
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 5: can probably even watch film together and go through it

1094
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 5: and have that which is incredible access for us, but

1095
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 5: you know, Kevin also understands as the quarterback coach in

1096
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 5: it for an o C Pat Shermer exact way that

1097
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 5: he looks at now. I'm sure things have evolved since

1098
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 5: twenty seventeen, that would be natural, but you have in

1099
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 5: an information I think advantage, or at the very least,

1100
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 5: there won't be anybody who knows them better than you.

1101
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 5: That's right, which when you're making this pick is incredibly important.

1102
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 5: I think is a wonderful thing for the Cleveland Browns,

1103
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 5: and you're gonna have you know, you've got even more

1104
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 5: opportunities to dive into these things.

1105
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 3: You know.

1106
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 5: I think I like his response to our idea of

1107
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 5: getting him five offensive players in top one or two,

1108
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 5: and you can tell he's like, I like that. I

1109
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 5: like these guys are saying. Jim Schwartz would not be

1110
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 5: too thrilled, but he likes what we're saying.

1111
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1112
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 5: I got a calm from him that I think He's like,

1113
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 5: you know what, we don't know what the future holds,

1114
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 5: but I know at this point here, as we sit

1115
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 5: in February, I'm going to be able to get a

1116
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 5: quarterback that has at least a potential. And with this

1117
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 5: staff that we put together, I thought it was interesting

1118
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 5: how we did talk about the meshing of him, Reese

1119
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 5: and Muskrave, that we've got a system and a coaching

1120
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 5: network in place that should help keep these guys on

1121
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 5: the ascent and therefore get our team on the ascent.

1122
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 8: I don't want to put words in his mouth, but

1123
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,399
Speaker 8: when you when you when you talked and you asked

1124
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 8: that question about Tommy and Bill and himself, uh and

1125
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 8: and all of that, and you said something, the effect

1126
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 8: of that is a position for a young quarterback that

1127
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 8: and you feel like we're going to have one. And

1128
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 8: he took that and ran with it and said, yeah,

1129
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 8: I mean that's that. It feels like that was put

1130
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 8: in place very intentionally. Everything he does is intentional. That's

1131
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,919
Speaker 8: a question, he said. I said, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1132
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:37,800
Speaker 8: that we put this in place to make sure that

1133
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 8: we we and in a position to be a real incubator.

1134
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 7: So crazy.

1135
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 5: The word that popped into my mind right there was

1136
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 5: the really to incubate, and you hit an incubator.

1137
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 7: That's big base. Look at big G's approval, the chief's approval,

1138
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 7: next level people are saying, people are saying it right.

1139
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 5: Now, we should be thriving in an ai paradise. We

1140
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:04,800
Speaker 5: should be we would be, Well why not after that,

1141
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 5: After that moment, I believe.

1142
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 8: You though, I felt I felt a great sense of

1143
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 8: calm from him, a great sense of confidence in him

1144
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 8: that that this Yeah, he felt very free to me.

1145
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 7: I mean just felt like very much like, yeah, we're good,

1146
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 7: We're going to get this sort of we're going to

1147
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 7: get it. We're going to get it right. And we are.

1148
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 5: Uniquely in a position, uniquely in a position to have

1149
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 5: the kind of turnaround we've seen around the league, because

1150
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,399
Speaker 5: you know, number one, we shouldn't have been here. Number two,

1151
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 5: we are here now, and we've got the right stuff

1152
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 5: in place to make it happen. And I thought it

1153
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 5: was interesting as well. And he keeps saying, you know,

1154
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 5: it's about the players we have, and that's absolutely right.

1155
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 5: But I do think there is going to be part

1156
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 5: of the players that end up here are going to because, okay,

1157
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 5: what do we want to do? And the running game

1158
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,760
Speaker 5: is back in vogue in the National Football League certainly,

1159
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,399
Speaker 5: and you know, we're a much more effective under center

1160
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 5: team number two twelve personnel and something that Kevin has

1161
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 5: done so well with. And this is a draft where

1162
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 5: you can get hopefully Nick Chubb comes back. If you

1163
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 5: had Nick Chubb, Jerome Ford and then a young stud

1164
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 5: we could have an unbelievable committee at running back. You

1165
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 5: could get another tight end in here, play a lot

1166
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 5: of twelve personnel, and then it's you know, sign a

1167
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 5: good veteran, maybe even bring back Elijah Morrimon. Elijah Wore

1168
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 5: has been productive for us in that second third receiver role.

1169
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 5: You have Judy Tillman, who's a good blocker, and we've

1170
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 5: seen that Judy's actually a very good blocker in the

1171
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 5: run game. You go back and watch some of Jerome

1172
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 5: Ford's long runs and now we become a mismatch rump

1173
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 5: and we've got an identity. We are something on offense

1174
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 5: that we can hang our hat on. Yeah, and we

1175
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 5: last year.

1176
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 3: Did not have that.

1177
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, that was the question I was getting to with

1178
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,760
Speaker 8: him in terms of, like, what are the Cleveland Browns offensively?

1179
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 7: What do they want to be? What is it going

1180
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 7: to look like? And it's it's been.

1181
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 8: It's such a year of transition for this roster. And offensively,

1182
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 8: you think when Kevin got here, you're built on the

1183
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 8: play action game, you're built on the wide zone, you're

1184
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 8: built on Nick Chubb, and you're built on the best

1185
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 8: offensive line in football, and so that is all different

1186
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 8: heading into this season.

1187
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 7: A lot of that is different.

1188
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 8: There will be some holdover and hopefully Joel's back and

1189
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:23,439
Speaker 8: and that's one less thing you have to worry about.

1190
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 8: But but you're on your second offensive line coach since then,

1191
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 8: so that's that's very very different. It's a it's a

1192
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 8: third coordinator since then. So yeah, it's a it's a

1193
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 8: lot of a lot of change that that is going

1194
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 8: to happen in this in this roster. But it felt

1195
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 8: to me like this was a guy who accomplished what

1196
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 8: he wanted to do on his staff, who feels very

1197
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 8: confident in where he is with this draft and what

1198
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:48,320
Speaker 8: he can do to flip this thing right back around.

1199
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, and now we just need to see that

1200
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 5: come to fruition kind of do it, and you're going

1201
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 5: to have You're gonna be in the talent acquisition phase

1202
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 5: for for a while.

1203
00:56:58,840 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 3: Uh.

1204
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 7: And then you know, this year, no Greenbrier.

1205
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 5: We heard that, so it'll be time to get you know,

1206
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 5: get ready in the early offseason program, get this talent

1207
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 5: in here and start put it together, start trying to

1208
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 5: be you know, a team that can go from from

1209
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,439
Speaker 5: the bottom and make its way back towards the top

1210
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 5: and get itself back where it was you know in

1211
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 5: two of the four years previous, which was in the playoffs.

1212
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, you mentioned that, No, was that coach said? Did

1213
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 7: coach say that? And we coached that he mentioned that?

1214
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 8: Yes, Okay, Yeah, So last couple of years we have

1215
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 8: taken training camp to the Greenbrier.

1216
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 7: That coach confirmed.

1217
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 8: We kind of all thought that, but coach confirmed that

1218
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 8: right before he came on with us in the in

1219
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 8: the media scrum with the locals that they would not

1220
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 8: be doing that this year.

1221
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 5: So yes, and and I think that it was you know,

1222
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 5: it was one of those things where it looked like

1223
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 5: it was going to you know, the first year, it

1224
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 5: was cited as a reason things went so well. This

1225
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 5: year things did not go as well, which is quite apparent. Yeah,

1226
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 5: and you know we're gonna try something differ.

1227
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 7: I think I like that.

1228
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 5: I do think this is a team that you know

1229
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 5: you're gonna we're gonna have joint practices. I'm sure, and

1230
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 5: I plural would be my guess if we're not going

1231
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 5: to the Greenbrier. But this is also a team that

1232
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 5: I think right now, given where we are, for just

1233
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 5: being honest about it, needs to reconnect a little bit

1234
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 5: with its fans. And I think having more training camp

1235
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 5: practices in front of this fan base, this great fan base,

1236
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 5: and hopefully having a young quarterback that this team's drafted

1237
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 5: that everybody's excited about that gives you a hope that

1238
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 5: you can kind of rejuvenate things as you go on here,

1239
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 5: which I think would be a wonderful thing, not only

1240
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 5: for the players to feel that, but for the team

1241
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 5: to feel that certainly, and for our fans who deserve that.

1242
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 5: So I think that we're in We're in good sput.

1243
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what, And this might be just nuts.

1244
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 5: And I know that people watching and or listening you

1245
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 5: can't always necessarily like feel a vibe. Yeah, but I

1246
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 5: feel so much better after sitting here with Kevin Stefanski

1247
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 5: than I did before he sat down.

1248
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 7: Not that I felt bad for but it was there's

1249
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:07,959
Speaker 7: a lot going on. It was kind of a shot

1250
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 7: in the arm.

1251
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 5: It was.

1252
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 7: It was. It was a little noted the arm noted. Yeah, no,

1253
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 7: it was.

1254
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 8: And his his uh, it gave me a great deal

1255
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 8: of confidence over just not just his conversation with us,

1256
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 8: but at the podium and other things. Just felt like

1257
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 8: he felt very game across this kind of energy that

1258
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 8: he was very confident with with kind of where it

1259
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 8: all is. That this is going to be one thing

1260
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 8: that we're as we you talk about quarterback for us

1261
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 8: at two and and the rest of it. I do

1262
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 8: think the next couple of weeks are going to be

1263
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 8: crazy because if you think about this, this trend that's

1264
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 8: happening in the league in terms of guys being allowed

1265
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 8: to go see what their value is. So we had

1266
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 8: Landry today in Tennessee. We had Stafford over the weekend,

1267
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 8: we had Debo.

1268
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 5: I mean there's Alexander, Yeah, so there's kind of that's

1269
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 5: what we're saying with Nick.

1270
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 8: Chuff four five of them that are like, hey, go

1271
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 8: see the guys contract is a free agent, Like some

1272
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 8: of these guys are under contract. Sure, it's like, hey,

1273
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 8: go see what it is and then and and we'll

1274
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 8: come back. So just at the quarterback position alone, I mean,

1275
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 8: if you think about Stafford is available now Sean McVay,

1276
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 8: which was incredible. Sean McVay said, I just could not

1277
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 8: believe how honestly he spoke about this. He was on

1278
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 8: with Fitzpatrick and fitz Andrew Whitworth. Whitworth, Yep, he was

1279
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 8: on with them. I could not believe how candidly he

1280
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 8: talked about it. But he said, look, we just want

1281
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 8: to be transparent. In the end, we want you here,

1282
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 8: but go see what's out there. If somebody's interested in you,

1283
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 8: have them reach out to us. Let's just be honest

1284
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 8: about it. So Stafford's available now. They may not find

1285
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 8: a common ground, and maybe that common ground is for

1286
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 8: him to remain in Los Angeles, but he's available. Aaron

1287
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 8: Rodgers is available, Russell Wilson's available, Justin Fields is available.

1288
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 8: Despite what was said yesterday day about Atlanta, it's possible

1289
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 8: that Kirk Cousins is available. It's possible Derek Carr is available.

1290
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 8: I mean, Daniel Jones is gonna be available. Sam Darnold

1291
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 8: is kind of the guy who rehabilited himself in a year.

1292
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 8: That's seven or eight quarterbacks who have all either all

1293
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 8: have started in this league. Some have been elite in

1294
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 8: this league, super Bowl champions in this league. Stafford was

1295
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 8: a couple of plays away from taking that Rams team

1296
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 8: to the super Bowl last year they won the division.

1297
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 5: Stafford and Russ have won super Bowls. Cousin Rogers, that's

1298
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 5: three Cousins, Darnold, and Daniel Jones have all taken teams

1299
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 5: to the playoffs. Yeah, Fields has not yet, but no

1300
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 5: is I think immensely talented.

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Speaker 8: So yeah, there's so there's some I guess what I'm

1302
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 8: saying is there's this is gonna be nuts for a

1303
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 8: couple of weeks if some of this stuff starts to

1304
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 8: get sorted out, because I don't think you're gonna want

1305
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 8: to be dealing with You're not gonna want to draft

1306
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Speaker 8: without knowing if you have one of.

1307
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Speaker 7: These guys for sure.

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Speaker 5: And I think that it is very fair to say that,

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Speaker 5: you know, last night as we were out and about

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Speaker 5: in this fair city and you know, working off of

1311
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Speaker 5: still living cow.

1312
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 7: The incredible choice on the cooking temperature, truly, I mean I.

1313
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:00,919
Speaker 5: Even asked for medium. I've ever done that in my life.

1314
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 5: It wasn't even in the neighborhood.

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01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 8: It's not incredible experience, incredible experience. They got all the

1316
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 8: bells and whistles, incredible, incredible experience.

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01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 7: It's been. It was fantastic.

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01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 5: The strength trip cocktail was hot as I've ever had it,

1319
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 5: and it was sensational.

1320
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 7: I couldn't get enough of it. Yeah, it was delicious.

1321
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 7: That was all of that was. But yeah, that was

1322
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 7: a still still beating heart hunt meat.

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01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 5: So as we were making our way around one thing

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01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 5: that you know, few people kind of it buzzed at

1325
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 5: various points about is that the feeling is that the

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Speaker 5: New York Football Giants are all in on Matt Stafford.

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Speaker 7: Yes, and that is I get it. Those are save

1328
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 7: your job right now mode there. Yep.

1329
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 5: After a performance that ensured that off season hard knocks

1330
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Speaker 5: would never happen again.

1331
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 7: For any particular, those guys are back after that. It's

1332
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 7: pretty but they are.

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01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 5: But you know, hey, you're the one who brings Matt

1334
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 5: Safford and perhaps that changes the way that you're viewed.

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01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, so that is a fast that will be the

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01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 8: first that will go first. I think when that happens,

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01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 8: then the rest of it, the other dominoes can follow.

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Speaker 5: What's interesting to me about the Giants, and I am

1339
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 5: going to go on record right now because I'm just

1340
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 5: being completely selfish, I wouldn't I would like the Giants

1341
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 5: to get Matt Stafford, Yes, because they're the one team.

1342
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 2: Now.

1343
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 5: If we are both like both these guys a plus plus, great,

1344
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 5: But it is human nature to prefer one to the other.

1345
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 5: And I believe that if you're drafting you and quarterback

1346
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 5: and you have an opportunity to get the one, that's

1347
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 5: the one, get them. Whoever, whether it's Cam, whether it

1348
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 5: is your dor. The Giants scare me as somebody who

1349
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 5: could jump you. The Raiders, I think could jump you

1350
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 5: as well. But the Giants jumping you Tennessee probably still

1351
01:03:57,400 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 5: feels like they can get They're guaranteed still to get

1352
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 5: either Yeah at one.

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01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 7: Or Travis Hunting at six. They're not. So I'm not

1354
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 7: quite as worried about the Raiders now.

1355
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 5: I'd like to just kind of tip over the chess

1356
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 5: piece that is the Giants, and then I think that

1357
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 5: gives us a little bit more control and maybe even

1358
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 5: makes the price of saying, okay, let's go.

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01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:23,919
Speaker 7: Up there a little bit easier to navigate. Yeah.

1360
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's that's why I you know, I don't who

1361
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 8: knows what the timetable on this stuff is or a

1362
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 8: couple of weeks from free agency, but like, that's that's

1363
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 8: that domino has to fall.

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01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 7: Yep.

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01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 8: And then once that does the rest of it, And

1366
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 8: then the next thing you're gonna want to know is, well,

1367
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 8: what's happening with Darnold? Is he staying in Minnesota. If

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01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 8: he's staying in Minnesota, then has JJ McCarthy become available,

1369
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 8: because that could change the.

1370
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Speaker 7: Top of this draft as well? For sure.

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01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 8: You know, you think about US, I mean Tennessee, US Tennessee.

1372
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 8: Although Tennessee seems abundantly clear they're not taking one, but

1373
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 8: I'm sure they would love to have one. So you

1374
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 8: got those two obviously US in them. You've got the Jets,

1375
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 8: You've got the Giant, you've got the Raiders. All of

1376
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 8: those teams need dudes Pittsburgh trying to figure out what

1377
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 8: they're doing I mean, there's a lot going on. Who

1378
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 8: knows what happens in New Orleans, it's a lot. And

1379
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 8: if the Rams lose Stafford, then there's got to be

1380
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 8: a pivot for them. Is that the spot for Darnold?

1381
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 3: Right?

1382
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 7: And I think a lot of people would think that

1383
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 7: does make some sense.

1384
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 8: McVey is not letting him walk unless he's got somebody

1385
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 8: back coming in. He's not starting over with I don't

1386
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 8: even know who the bat was, Garoppolo, the back.

1387
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 5: Of the Garoppolo And supposedly there was a report that

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01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 5: they would be okay with Garoppolo being the quarterback this year,

1389
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 5: which I mean, maybe it's true, but.

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01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 7: They just won the division and I was going on

1391
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 7: that way.

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01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 5: And I also read that the Saints are keeping Derek

1393
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 5: Carr as of today. As of today, Yeah, I don't

1394
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 5: get that whole thing.

1395
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 7: I really don't. I really don't. It doesn't make a

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01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 7: lot of sense to me there.

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01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 3: No.

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01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 5: I mean, you've got an emerging young defense, you have

1399
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 5: an excellent run game. You've got in Puka Nakua. It

1400
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 5: feels like a legitimate number one receiver in the NFL.

1401
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 5: You're going to add talent to that. I mean it

1402
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 5: feels like it's a pretty good spot there. Yeah, the

1403
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 5: Niners are a little down right now relative to where

1404
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 5: they've been. Seattle is good, not great. They didn't make

1405
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 5: the playoffs, although they won ten games. And then you know,

1406
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 5: Arizona is good. That's a division that they're going to

1407
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 5: be competitive in. You know, right away, I was thinking that,

1408
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 5: and I keep talking about this, and maybe I'm totally nuts.

1409
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 5: I was thinking about from the Kirk Cousins standpoint number one.

1410
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 5: I don't if i'm I think there's something at play.

1411
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 5: And this happens sometimes in the league, right where an

1412
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 5: owner's like, wait a second, you guys just told me

1413
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 5: to give this guy one hundred million dollars guaranteed, and

1414
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 5: now in the second year of that, you're asking me

1415
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 5: to give him forty million dollars, pay forty million dollars

1416
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 5: to him and.

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01:06:55,600 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 7: To not play for us. I don't know, not that's

1418
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 7: not a good way to keep your job.

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01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 5: I'm not in the Yeah, and I don't think many

1420
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:06,439
Speaker 5: billionaires are in the habit of just giving them here's

1421
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 5: forty million dollars to do nothing, to do nothing.

1422
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, So that one's interesting.

1423
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:12,439
Speaker 5: But if you were to get out or if there's

1424
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 5: see to me, Indy makes a lot of sense for him. Again,

1425
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 5: I'm kind of on a court of a veteran quarterback

1426
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 5: to Indy, it seems like they are.

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01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 8: Much more into We're giving Anthony Richardson the full off

1428
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 8: season to figure to all in one more time with it.

1429
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 8: It's what it seems like like they are. Anytime you

1430
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:36,480
Speaker 8: look at like predicting where these quarterbacks are, who's going

1431
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:39,040
Speaker 8: to be the quarterback, it's always Richardson there like they're

1432
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 8: gonna run him back.

1433
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 5: But I think they got already made roster now well,

1434
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 5: and they're in opposition to draft to tight ends. So

1435
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 5: you have one of those tight ends to three really

1436
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 5: really good receivers and Jonathan Taylor. I mean again, a

1437
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 5: division where you're you can compete. Houston's very good, but

1438
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 5: they're certainly not infallible.

1439
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 8: No, no, not at all. All right, we'll hit some

1440
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 8: of the uh. We had some of the players speaking today,

1441
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 8: a Duel Carter spoke today. Andrew Berry had a couple

1442
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 8: of comments as well that we want to share with

1443
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:08,440
Speaker 8: you guys. We'll get into that coming up next to Sillion.

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Speaker 8: Your Cleveland brown Abdul Carter on the short list of

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01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 8: most of the analysts over here as the best overall

1460
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:07,720
Speaker 8: player in this draft, the defensive end out of Penn State.

1461
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:10,280
Speaker 8: He spoke today on how he would feel about playing

1462
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:10,799
Speaker 8: in Cleveland.

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01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:12,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, that'd be dope. Miles is one of the guys

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01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:15,240
Speaker 6: I'll study, one of the guys I'll watch just this game.

1465
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 6: The way you can impact the game as a pass

1466
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:19,760
Speaker 6: rusher and as a defender overaf as a special team

1467
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 6: jumping over to pile blocking the kick. He's one of

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01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 6: the guys I'll study, try to immolate my game after.

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01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 7: There you go be interesting. It feels like the what

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01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 7: what do you think the timeline is for the Titans

1471
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 7: at one trade? Like if you have if you put this,

1472
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:38,479
Speaker 7: if you put.

1473
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 8: Combines done, free agency, draft, where does what's the order

1474
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:49,400
Speaker 8: in terms of them making the decision at one?

1475
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 2: Uh?

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01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 7: I think it could go to a few places.

1477
01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:58,719
Speaker 5: I think that that's something that could happen right after

1478
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:01,760
Speaker 5: the draft, I mean right after a free agency free

1479
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 5: agency and then it's something that could happen while the

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01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:08,680
Speaker 5: Titans are on the clock. I mean, I don't think

1481
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 5: it happens here, no, no, no, But I think this

1482
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 5: once free agency is over, I think that you are

1483
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 5: that's that is on the clock.

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01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 7: They are open for business. Yeah, yeah, it seems like it.

1485
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 5: And especially if they're a team that kind of surprises everybody.

1486
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:28,759
Speaker 5: And let's say they signed Sam Darnald.

1487
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:31,879
Speaker 7: Yeah, now.

1488
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 5: I think it becomes even more open for business, right

1489
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:39,120
Speaker 5: it could. It could happen very quickly if somebody said, okay,

1490
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:41,680
Speaker 5: well they're not taking a quarterback let's go.

1491
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 3: If you.

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01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:49,440
Speaker 8: The Donald thing is fascinating because before Stafford became available,

1493
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:54,600
Speaker 8: and you know, Donald's ten years younger than Stafford is,

1494
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 8: so there's you know, he's not as accomplished, not as proven,

1495
01:10:57,240 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 8: obviously not in the same vicinity so far from a

1496
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 8: career standpoint, resurrected his career last year. It's funny because

1497
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:06,919
Speaker 8: there are some teams that feel very much like, yeah, Stafford,

1498
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 8: plug and play, let's go. Donald would feel like this

1499
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 8: team that's located right to our right, the Raiders, right,

1500
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:15,600
Speaker 8: Like that's a team where that they are, they're in

1501
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 8: the beginning stage is the infancy of a build.

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01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:19,800
Speaker 7: Yep.

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01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 2: Right.

1504
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:22,680
Speaker 8: This is the first time in Donald's life that he

1505
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 8: gets to pick the situation that he's in. And he

1506
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:31,600
Speaker 8: just got out of a situation that was ideal in Minnesota.

1507
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 8: And my hunch is, like, can you imagine a scenario

1508
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:35,760
Speaker 8: We don't know him at all, but like, can you

1509
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 8: imagine scenario where we wouldn't want to just go back

1510
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:39,600
Speaker 8: to Minnesota now to play with Kevin O'Connell and have

1511
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 8: those receivers and that playing a dome.

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01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 7: Now, that's as good as it gets.

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01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 8: Of Course, he's going to so it's Minnesota that really

1514
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 8: holds that card with how they're going to go with

1515
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 8: this and their market for Donald. The market for Donald

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01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 8: will be the next two weeks. That's that's gonna get

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01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 8: sorted out. Does Stafford have to happen first, because I

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01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 8: think there are some teams that aren't that wouldn't be

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01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 8: out on Stafford that would be in on Donald versa.

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01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 7: Yeah. I don't think Stafford has to happen first.

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01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, And in fact, I think, you know, if you're Donald,

1522
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 5: you're like, I want to pick where I want to go.

1523
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:16,639
Speaker 5: I think if everything that we're hearing right now is true,

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01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 5: it feels like Stafford's going to be either a RAM

1525
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 5: or a giant. And I don't think Sam Donald probably

1526
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:24,680
Speaker 5: has any desire to go back to New York. No,

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01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 5: I would, even if he's gets to play with elite

1528
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:28,200
Speaker 5: neighbors and that's very appealing, I just don't think he

1529
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:31,680
Speaker 5: has any desire to go back to New York. So

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01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 5: I think that for Sam Donald, yeah, he's you want

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01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 5: to get out there and make your decision, you know,

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01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 5: top of the market, and I bet there are serious

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01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 5: talks going on. I really the guy's next to us

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01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 5: and what ends up happening there with Sam is going

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01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:49,000
Speaker 5: to be I think fascinating what they do with Sam Donald.

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01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:50,560
Speaker 5: And if they do bring back Sam Donald and that

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01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:53,840
Speaker 5: they are paying him thirty five forty million a year,

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01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:55,679
Speaker 5: or what does that mean for JJ McCarthy.

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01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:56,639
Speaker 7: Is he now available?

1540
01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:59,240
Speaker 5: And is he somebody that you look at even though

1541
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 5: you wouldn't get five years, you'd get four years. But

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01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:02,760
Speaker 5: do you look at him as a part of this

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01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 5: draft class? And if you do look at him as

1544
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:08,679
Speaker 5: a part of this draft class, is that something where

1545
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:11,120
Speaker 5: you say, hey, we you know, if let's just say

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01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 5: that we were in love with JJ McCarthy. Yeah, is

1547
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 5: that something where you say, okay, we'll give you two.

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01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:19,040
Speaker 5: You give us JJ McCarthy in your first round pick

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01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 5: this year?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 7: Yeah.

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01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:25,920
Speaker 8: We saw Quazy for a brief moment yesterday and he's

1553
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 8: you know, he's fighting off illness like so many people are.

1554
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:32,640
Speaker 7: And but yeah, I mean that's I think we're headed for.

1555
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 8: I mean, this league is always top of mind, but

1556
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:39,680
Speaker 8: I think we're headed for kind of a free agency

1557
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:43,760
Speaker 8: transaction period leading into the draft unlike anyone we've seen

1558
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 8: in a while, just because of the quarterback availability, and

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01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 8: I think it could be wild over the next couple weeks,

1560
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:53,680
Speaker 8: and it also could be illuminating in or surprising that

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01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 8: maybe the markets for Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson aren't

1562
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 8: his robust They weren't last year as people might think.

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01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 8: I mean russ played for nothing. Yeah, that he could

1564
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:08,280
Speaker 8: because he was still getting paid for Denver. Well, he's

1565
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 8: he couldn't matter what. He's made a lot of money.

1566
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 8: But but yeah, like there might be like there might

1567
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 8: not be a lot of landing spots for some of

1568
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:17,639
Speaker 8: those people. Welle thing about two with Minnesota, they still

1569
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:19,880
Speaker 8: have Danny Dimes. I mean that he was on their

1570
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:23,800
Speaker 8: practice squad and was in the mix there. So if

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01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 8: if how that transition goes too, like that's that's two

1572
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:29,519
Speaker 8: of the guys that we say are available. They hold

1573
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:31,479
Speaker 8: kind of the cards on that and have them in

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01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:32,000
Speaker 8: their building.

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01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:36,080
Speaker 5: Sure, yeah, and I think, yeah they're what the Vikings.

1576
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:42,240
Speaker 5: The Vikings decision with Sam Darnold I think has equally

1577
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:44,799
Speaker 5: big ramifications just for the rest of the league landscape

1578
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 5: in terms of that position shaking out as the Matt.

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01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:49,080
Speaker 7: Stafford Rams situation.

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01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:53,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, those are the two big dominoes I think to

1581
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 5: drop in the quarterback landscape. And I think if neither

1582
01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 5: the move, then the AJ McCarthy part of it becomes

1583
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:06,639
Speaker 5: somewhat interesting. If both move and Stafford ends up, let's

1584
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:09,519
Speaker 5: call it in New York. I think it's likely that

1585
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:11,680
Speaker 5: Darnold could be the one that replaces them in LA.

1586
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:13,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I would agree.

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01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:16,000
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Speaker 8: Scouting Combine and indian Appolis. NFL Network Draft analyst Lens

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Speaker 8: Zerline joining us. Lantz, thank you so much for joining us.

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01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:08,040
Speaker 8: Great to see you again. I'm always curious with you

1604
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 8: guys who break this stuff down, where the combine kind

1605
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:13,519
Speaker 8: of fits in your evaluation of a draft class. What

1606
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:16,800
Speaker 8: are you looking for this week in terms of the prospects?

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01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:22,680
Speaker 4: So what you want to see now is the athletic Well,

1608
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:25,720
Speaker 4: for me, it depends on you know. Sometimes I want

1609
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:27,760
Speaker 4: to just go see what guys look like, because seeing

1610
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 4: on tape is not the same seeing their.

1611
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:30,919
Speaker 3: Body types, their structure.

1612
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:33,840
Speaker 4: Because historically, you know, guys who have the good lean

1613
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 4: muscle mass, the guys who look the part in the

1614
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:38,400
Speaker 4: in the in the uniform, so to speak, and didn't

1615
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:40,800
Speaker 4: tell you everything, but typically guys who carry a lot

1616
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:42,800
Speaker 4: of excess weight that are not good on their frame.

1617
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:45,680
Speaker 4: You know, I know because that's how I am, so

1618
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:49,080
Speaker 4: I break down easily. So you know, you know, you

1619
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:52,000
Speaker 4: want guys that look the part. And that's one of

1620
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 4: the things I like to look at. I want to

1621
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:57,000
Speaker 4: see arm linked measurements for certain positions. Of course I

1622
01:16:57,080 --> 01:16:59,320
Speaker 4: want to see speed, but I also want to see

1623
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:02,160
Speaker 4: how guys move. You want to see how explosive they are.

1624
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:05,000
Speaker 4: But for me, like if you can give me a position.

1625
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what I'm looking at. Quarterback, Okay, quarterback.

1626
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:08,560
Speaker 4: What I want to see is I want to I

1627
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:10,800
Speaker 4: want to go down on the field. I'm gonna be

1628
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:12,719
Speaker 4: on the field and want to I want to feel

1629
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:15,680
Speaker 4: the confidence. I want to feel something from them. Now,

1630
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 4: Shador Sanders is not going to be throwing, and he's

1631
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 4: a guy that on tape looks very confident from the pocket.

1632
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:25,200
Speaker 4: He exudes confidence. And I remember Carson Wentz had that

1633
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 4: when he was out here.

1634
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 7: C J.

1635
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:29,559
Speaker 3: Stroud had that when he was out here. You can

1636
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:30,920
Speaker 3: feel those guys, you know.

1637
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:33,720
Speaker 4: Interestingly enough, a guy who didn't really have that was

1638
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 4: Bo Knicks. But I think Bo Nicks went to the

1639
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:39,120
Speaker 4: perfect spot also. But I want to see how guys moves.

1640
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:41,640
Speaker 4: I want to see how corners, what they look like

1641
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:45,800
Speaker 4: when they're transitioning and moving and flowing. I want to

1642
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:48,040
Speaker 4: see wide receiver. You know, It's interesting I sit there

1643
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:51,360
Speaker 4: on the sideline last year there's TJ. Houshman Zada and

1644
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:53,760
Speaker 4: Michael Irvin and there's all these wide receivers and I'm

1645
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:55,759
Speaker 4: just sitting there listening to them talk about Steve Smith.

1646
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:57,840
Speaker 3: I'm listening to them talk about how.

1647
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 4: Wide receivers are running routes, what they're doing, what they're

1648
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:02,479
Speaker 4: not doing well, And I'm just being quiet. I want

1649
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:04,520
Speaker 4: to hear what Kurt Warner, now he's on the broadcast,

1650
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:06,679
Speaker 4: but I want to hear what some of these experts,

1651
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:11,479
Speaker 4: these former players are saying about about these players. So

1652
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:13,960
Speaker 4: I tightened up my process, or maybe I know a

1653
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,240
Speaker 4: little bit more about what I want to look for

1654
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:19,479
Speaker 4: when I'm at the combine. So the field drills are

1655
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:22,720
Speaker 4: really important to me. The testing is important to solidify

1656
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:27,280
Speaker 4: a ranking or to maybe say, ooh, that's like if

1657
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 4: Will Johnson, Let's say he came out here and ran

1658
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 4: and ran a four to six, Oh, number one. If

1659
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 4: he's running a four six, oh, he ain't running, so

1660
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:35,760
Speaker 4: he's not gonna run here. And now I already know

1661
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 4: he's not running here. So but if you have a

1662
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 4: cornerback where you're not sure on them and they run

1663
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:44,040
Speaker 4: a four six two, if you had a second round grade,

1664
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:45,439
Speaker 4: you got to drop him to day three.

1665
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:47,200
Speaker 3: There's nothing you can do with a four six two

1666
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:48,960
Speaker 3: until they get to their pro day.

1667
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:52,160
Speaker 4: And if your stop watch, your own stopwatch has him

1668
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:54,840
Speaker 4: at a four five, five, four or five four.

1669
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 3: Maybe you say, okay, let's push him back up to

1670
01:18:57,960 --> 01:18:58,400
Speaker 3: where he was.

1671
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 4: But there's certain there's there certain numbers that are just

1672
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:03,480
Speaker 4: non negotiable at certain positions.

1673
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:05,640
Speaker 5: Let's talk a little bit about the lines, and I

1674
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:08,200
Speaker 5: know that is certainly in your blood, in your background,

1675
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 5: and on the offensive line. For while, the Browns were

1676
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 5: very very good there and now with retirements, with age,

1677
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:16,000
Speaker 5: potentially we don't know what's going on with Joel Buttonio injuries,

1678
01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:19,080
Speaker 5: Jed Wills did not work out for the Browns. It's

1679
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:20,720
Speaker 5: a position that they're gonna need. And we saw a

1680
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:23,040
Speaker 5: Super Bowl right now, the strength of the Eagles team.

1681
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:25,600
Speaker 5: In addition to great skill, they had dominant lines on

1682
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 5: both sides of the football on the O line. What

1683
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:29,840
Speaker 5: are you looking for? Who are some guys? I don't

1684
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 5: think the Browns certainly are doing it it too. I

1685
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:32,880
Speaker 5: think they have a much bigger need than that. But

1686
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 5: you know, as you get into the second third rounds,

1687
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 5: the Browns will have pick thirty three, they'll have three

1688
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:39,439
Speaker 5: picks in the third round. Are there some guys that

1689
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:41,439
Speaker 5: can help this team either at tackle or at guard?

1690
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:41,920
Speaker 2: Oh?

1691
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:45,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, Donovan Jackson from Ohio State. Like him a lot.

1692
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:48,720
Speaker 4: He's got tackle guard experience, so what you have as

1693
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 4: a player with pass protection experience inside. But I think

1694
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:54,200
Speaker 4: he's a really good round blocker. I like Donovan Jackson

1695
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:58,120
Speaker 4: a lot. I think Wyatt Milam from West Virginia another

1696
01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:01,519
Speaker 4: guy who to me is maybe more around, but has

1697
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 4: the type of mentality where he could be a future starter.

1698
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:06,360
Speaker 4: The problem is you got one of those guys with

1699
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 4: Zack Zenter, so you may want somebody who's more more

1700
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:14,800
Speaker 4: athletically inclined than whyt Mylan. Once again, I'll find out

1701
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:17,920
Speaker 4: what that looks like coming up soon. I would say

1702
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:21,840
Speaker 4: Tate Ratliche from Georgia has a two three. Charles Grant

1703
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:24,240
Speaker 4: is going to really do well here at the combat

1704
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:26,840
Speaker 4: and he's from William and Mary. He's once again another

1705
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:30,040
Speaker 4: former tackle who figures to bump inside the guard. And

1706
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:32,960
Speaker 4: anytime you have a tackle in the guard, you're typically

1707
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:35,320
Speaker 4: a little better in pass protection. You know your your

1708
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 4: background is going to be a little better in pass protection.

1709
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:39,559
Speaker 4: But he's a player that is going to really test

1710
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:41,600
Speaker 4: well athletically. So if you want to run outside his

1711
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:45,600
Speaker 4: own stuff, this is your guy, Charles Grant. And he

1712
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:49,200
Speaker 4: does come from a small school, but that doesn't really

1713
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:50,560
Speaker 4: you know, it doesn't really bother me.

1714
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:52,280
Speaker 3: If you can play, you can play. If you're tough,

1715
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:55,040
Speaker 3: if you can move and you're tough and you're smart,

1716
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 3: we can work with you.

1717
01:20:56,920 --> 01:20:58,960
Speaker 8: What what does a guy like Donovan get out of

1718
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:01,479
Speaker 8: the fact that he had to play tackle throughout that

1719
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 8: run in Ohio State where he's a guard and then

1720
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:05,639
Speaker 8: they slide into tackle number one?

1721
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:09,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean what it tells a team is, if

1722
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 4: you're the Cleveland Browns, you say, okay, let's watch him

1723
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:14,920
Speaker 4: play tackle, all right? Could we play with him in

1724
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:17,280
Speaker 4: a pinch if it's an emergency, could we swing him

1725
01:21:17,320 --> 01:21:19,800
Speaker 4: out and play him? And you may say, yeah, we

1726
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:23,240
Speaker 4: can swing you know, he in an emergency, we don't

1727
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:25,080
Speaker 4: want him as a swing tackle, but an emergency we

1728
01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:25,640
Speaker 4: can play him.

1729
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:25,800
Speaker 3: There.

1730
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:28,000
Speaker 4: What you had a chance to do is see this

1731
01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:30,640
Speaker 4: is a guy who stepped up for his team and

1732
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 4: played very admirably on the way to a national championship.

1733
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:38,400
Speaker 4: You've got guard tape on him, you know, in a

1734
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:41,839
Speaker 4: he got to face off against some really good athletes,

1735
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:43,360
Speaker 4: So you got to see what his feet look like

1736
01:21:43,439 --> 01:21:47,000
Speaker 4: with deeper sets. You got to see him go against

1737
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:50,080
Speaker 4: people he was athletically overmatched. Maybe against some of the

1738
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:52,320
Speaker 4: guys that he went up against, although I would argue

1739
01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:55,360
Speaker 4: he's he's just a pretty good athlete in general. It

1740
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:59,080
Speaker 4: just speaks to speaks to his athleticism, it speaks to

1741
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:03,840
Speaker 4: his toughness, it speaks to his mentality and competitiveness.

1742
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:05,720
Speaker 3: It's all a plus for him.

1743
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:08,400
Speaker 5: As you come in and you look at this draft,

1744
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 5: and I love in your in your mock draft, and

1745
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:11,320
Speaker 5: I know you have one company you have won at

1746
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:12,920
Speaker 5: NFL dot Common right now, but you have one's gonna

1747
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:15,360
Speaker 5: be coming out right after the combine. I love in

1748
01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:17,240
Speaker 5: your opening you have came Moore going to Tennessee and

1749
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:19,160
Speaker 5: you say, and you know it sounds like from people

1750
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:20,760
Speaker 5: here and who knows what is real or not, that

1751
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:21,920
Speaker 5: maybe they won't take a quarterback.

1752
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:22,519
Speaker 7: But I love that he said.

1753
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:25,040
Speaker 5: I don't see a quote generational talent in this draft

1754
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:28,000
Speaker 5: that is thrown around all the time.

1755
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:30,559
Speaker 4: Tennessee did that. I think intention we will not pass

1756
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:32,639
Speaker 4: on a guy if he's generational. I think Tennessee would

1757
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:34,280
Speaker 4: be willing to trade that pick if you really want

1758
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:36,880
Speaker 4: to know the truth. But I don't think they're the

1759
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 4: phrase generational. I mean, this is my number one pet

1760
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:44,599
Speaker 4: peeve at first it was elite. Everything was elite, elite, elite,

1761
01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:48,320
Speaker 4: and then it's uh general, Now it's generational. And I've

1762
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:50,960
Speaker 4: had to have these arguments online with people. I've had

1763
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:53,400
Speaker 4: it with my own kids who are teenagers, talking about

1764
01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:56,960
Speaker 4: it's a generational he's the goat. Goat means greatest of

1765
01:22:57,120 --> 01:23:01,719
Speaker 4: all time period, the one thing, guys, this guy's goat shooter.

1766
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 4: I know, it's like Ray Allen and we're done, or

1767
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:07,760
Speaker 4: Steph Curry now and we're done. We've got an argument now,

1768
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 4: Larry Bird. But there is no generational player in this

1769
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 4: draft to me, except maybe you know, the only one

1770
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:18,120
Speaker 4: I put that kind of grade on was Ashton genty

1771
01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:19,880
Speaker 4: And frankly, you can't even say that because I'd a

1772
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:22,120
Speaker 4: higher grade on Sakwon Barkley coming out and they're in.

1773
01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 3: The same generation, so you can't really say that. So

1774
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:27,639
Speaker 3: I don't think there's a generational talent a draft.

1775
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:30,040
Speaker 4: I specifically put that in there because that was on

1776
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:32,639
Speaker 4: the heels of the GM saying we will not pass

1777
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:36,080
Speaker 4: on a generational player, which immediately got people to you know,

1778
01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:36,760
Speaker 4: he did.

1779
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:38,640
Speaker 3: I think he did what he wanted it wanted it

1780
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:38,840
Speaker 3: to do.

1781
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:42,439
Speaker 4: He wanted to generated conversation, and I think if the

1782
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:45,160
Speaker 4: right you know, if the right trade came about, they

1783
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:47,160
Speaker 4: might be willing to move out of that pick.

1784
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:51,040
Speaker 5: I like, again, I love that you put that in there.

1785
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:52,400
Speaker 5: It's a pet peep of mine. I have a buddy.

1786
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:54,519
Speaker 7: It might as convinced a generation is like every three years.

1787
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.

1788
01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:57,760
Speaker 7: I went to the dictionary.

1789
01:23:58,080 --> 01:23:59,840
Speaker 4: I went to the dictionary on him, and I said,

1790
01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:03,599
Speaker 4: how can I said, here's generational talents Tiger Woods, yep,

1791
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 4: Mike Tyson, Michael Jordan, Lebron, James Tom Brady. I would

1792
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 4: argue that maybe Pat Mahomes becomes at because you can

1793
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:15,640
Speaker 4: argue that there's not as much of a crossover. Shohatani

1794
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:19,160
Speaker 4: is a generational talent. It's a pretty short.

1795
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:20,360
Speaker 7: List, short list exactly.

1796
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:25,280
Speaker 4: We're Ricky Ricky Henderson was a generational type talent years

1797
01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:26,479
Speaker 4: and years ago in baseball.

1798
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:28,559
Speaker 3: Yes, generational talent is.

1799
01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:32,360
Speaker 5: Let's just yeah, you're you're on a real pet people. No,

1800
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:36,960
Speaker 5: like's we think about it the same way. To that end,

1801
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:39,000
Speaker 5: one of the things that we've been talking about obviously clevel. Look,

1802
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:40,519
Speaker 5: the fact the matter is, we need a quarterback. We

1803
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:42,679
Speaker 5: are picking second. You know, there is a it feels

1804
01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:44,639
Speaker 5: like a consensus that there are the top two quarterbacks.

1805
01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:46,720
Speaker 5: Now how people rank them compared to other years is

1806
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 5: varies for everybody, and we'll get your take on them

1807
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:51,920
Speaker 5: in a second. But there is a notion, and I

1808
01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 5: don't know if you run into this in kind of

1809
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:55,880
Speaker 5: the reactions you get from people to some of your box,

1810
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:58,760
Speaker 5: that if you don't pick a quarterback, it's inherently so

1811
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:00,320
Speaker 5: much safer than picking a qua.

1812
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:02,920
Speaker 7: There are no sure things in the draft, right no.

1813
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:09,320
Speaker 4: You know, you go through the history of the draft

1814
01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:12,400
Speaker 4: and you'll be humbled in any direction you go. There

1815
01:25:12,479 --> 01:25:15,640
Speaker 4: is no certainties, So you know you want to you

1816
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:17,439
Speaker 4: want to ask me where i'd have cam Ward or

1817
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:18,880
Speaker 4: because I have grades, and you want to ask me

1818
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:20,920
Speaker 4: where I have cam Ward or where I have uh

1819
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:23,920
Speaker 4: Shador Sanders last year's draft. I have them, you know,

1820
01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:26,880
Speaker 4: I have them directly behind Penix. I have them sixth

1821
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 4: and seventh, although technically I gave them a higher grade

1822
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:31,200
Speaker 4: than than Michael Pennox last year because I had some

1823
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:34,120
Speaker 4: real concerns about Penix's health. And we'll see how that

1824
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:38,160
Speaker 4: that shakes out. But here's the thing. If you find

1825
01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:42,040
Speaker 4: the right quarterback, you're in business and let me let

1826
01:25:42,160 --> 01:25:44,840
Speaker 4: me I'm gonna sell you on both these guys. Please,

1827
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:47,200
Speaker 4: but let's let's make that. Let's make Browns fans happy.

1828
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:50,120
Speaker 3: I'm gonna sell you. Come on in here, I want

1829
01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:50,960
Speaker 3: to sell you on both of them.

1830
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:53,720
Speaker 4: Okay, when I watched cam Ward, I saw a guy

1831
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:57,479
Speaker 4: with Brett farv type arm talent. The problem you have

1832
01:25:57,720 --> 01:26:00,760
Speaker 4: with Brett Farvre is that he's going to hurt his

1833
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:03,479
Speaker 4: own team, and he is going to help his own team.

1834
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:05,040
Speaker 3: But he helped him more than he hurt him. He's

1835
01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:05,639
Speaker 3: a Hall of Famer.

1836
01:26:06,120 --> 01:26:08,599
Speaker 4: But with cam Ward, he tries to play a little

1837
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 4: too much. He roball, which is pretty standard for most

1838
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:12,640
Speaker 4: college quarterbacks.

1839
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:13,680
Speaker 3: But he has an arm.

1840
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:16,840
Speaker 4: He can make throws that no other quarterbacks in this

1841
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:20,240
Speaker 4: draft can make. He's better than Anthony Richardson was, who

1842
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:21,320
Speaker 4: also had a big arm.

1843
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:25,360
Speaker 3: But cam Ward has tremendous football character everyone talks about.

1844
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:27,080
Speaker 3: His mentality is exactly what you want.

1845
01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:30,240
Speaker 4: He's a worker, he's got a big arm, and he's

1846
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:33,479
Speaker 4: got the ability, and I would encourage him to more

1847
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:35,519
Speaker 4: often take advantage of his legs because a lot of

1848
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:37,280
Speaker 4: these guys fall into the trap of well, I want

1849
01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:39,560
Speaker 4: to show you that I'm a passer dude in this

1850
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:44,040
Speaker 4: day and age, Go ass Josh, go ask, go get yards,

1851
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:46,800
Speaker 4: Go move the sticks. Cam Ward has the ability to

1852
01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:49,759
Speaker 4: move the sticks, and he has the ability to create

1853
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:53,800
Speaker 4: explosive plays. He will have some turnovers. You got to

1854
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:55,360
Speaker 4: try to coach it out of him. With a good

1855
01:26:55,400 --> 01:26:57,599
Speaker 4: running game, you take some pressure off of him. That's

1856
01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:01,240
Speaker 4: why building a running game so important for young quarterback. Uh,

1857
01:27:01,360 --> 01:27:05,240
Speaker 4: and building a good defense for Shador. I've got an

1858
01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:09,120
Speaker 4: interesting uh, you know. I there's there's a conversation that

1859
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:11,799
Speaker 4: we had about if you draft Shador, you Draftyon Sanders,

1860
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:15,800
Speaker 4: which is not necessarily a good thing. Are you drafting him?

1861
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:17,840
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go through some concerns I have, and then

1862
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:20,200
Speaker 4: I'll get to the positives. You know, Are you drafting

1863
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:21,639
Speaker 4: a guy with a podcast every week?

1864
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 3: Probably?

1865
01:27:22,479 --> 01:27:24,799
Speaker 4: I don't love that, you know. I'm just being perfectly

1866
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:27,560
Speaker 4: honest with you. But let me tell you what I

1867
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:31,880
Speaker 4: saw with Shador. I was expecting to I wrote Travis

1868
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:33,880
Speaker 4: Hunter up. First, I saw some throws I didn't love,

1869
01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:35,880
Speaker 4: and I went into this thinking, and I try to

1870
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:37,800
Speaker 4: keep as open a mind as possible I have to,

1871
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:40,040
Speaker 4: and I went into this thinking this guy's gonna be

1872
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:41,880
Speaker 4: a sixty one for me, which is like a third

1873
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:43,280
Speaker 4: round grade for a quarterback.

1874
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:46,679
Speaker 3: And I watched the tape and it didn't.

1875
01:27:46,479 --> 01:27:49,639
Speaker 4: Take long where I said, man, he's really actually really accurate,

1876
01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:53,240
Speaker 4: Like Shadur is an accurate quarterback. And what I call

1877
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:55,760
Speaker 4: everyday throws from point A to point B. You're gonna

1878
01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:57,280
Speaker 4: run a comeback. I'm gonna put it right on you.

1879
01:27:57,360 --> 01:27:58,800
Speaker 4: It's on your frame, it's in your hands, it's not

1880
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:05,920
Speaker 4: up here. Those everyday throws really good, really accurate. His

1881
01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:10,479
Speaker 4: poise really good, his confidence really good. He doesn't get rattled.

1882
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:12,800
Speaker 4: I think it's a family thing. I think he grew

1883
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 4: up with a certain level of confidence. Here's what I

1884
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:17,439
Speaker 4: want to say. That would be wildly unpopular with the

1885
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:21,240
Speaker 4: Sanders family, but it's a compliment. I think if Shador

1886
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:25,519
Speaker 4: Sanders stops trying to his arm extremely average, it's an

1887
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:28,559
Speaker 4: average arm. Doesn't make great throws off platform. You can

1888
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:30,679
Speaker 4: show me a highlight here or there, and that's fine.

1889
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:32,679
Speaker 4: I'm just telling you in the NFL, it's not gonna,

1890
01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:35,479
Speaker 4: it's not gonna come does not have a plus arm.

1891
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:37,080
Speaker 4: He has an adequate arm. But you know what he

1892
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:39,639
Speaker 4: does really well I think if you put a good

1893
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:43,000
Speaker 4: running game by it with him and you convinced him

1894
01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:46,560
Speaker 4: that being a game manager is a positive, and you

1895
01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:48,680
Speaker 4: show him all the great quarterbacks of the past that

1896
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:51,479
Speaker 4: were game managers. Tom Brady, Tom Brady is a game manager.

1897
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:56,960
Speaker 4: Shador Sanders has the capability of staying in that pocket

1898
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:02,000
Speaker 4: picking apart defenses if he's willing to say, I'm not

1899
01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:05,400
Speaker 4: a playmaker. I am a I am a game but

1900
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:08,400
Speaker 4: you can't call it game manager. You call it a captain.

1901
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:10,519
Speaker 4: I'm the captain of this ship, and I'm gonna drive

1902
01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:14,280
Speaker 4: this offense forward. Shadoor has all the intangiles. We always

1903
01:29:14,280 --> 01:29:15,400
Speaker 4: talk about armtown.

1904
01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:17,920
Speaker 3: This and then we say, well, you know what's really important.

1905
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:21,360
Speaker 4: Is is is accuracy and poise and the little things

1906
01:29:21,439 --> 01:29:23,080
Speaker 4: like that is really really important.

1907
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:26,040
Speaker 3: And you know what Shador has those. He has poise,

1908
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:27,560
Speaker 3: he has confidence, he has accuracy.

1909
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:30,360
Speaker 4: So I struggle with him because he's like got this

1910
01:29:30,520 --> 01:29:33,560
Speaker 4: wide receiver personality, but he's also got the intangibles that

1911
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:34,280
Speaker 4: we always.

1912
01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:34,920
Speaker 3: Look for in a quarterback.

1913
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:38,240
Speaker 7: That was the best. I loved it was so great. Yeah,

1914
01:29:38,479 --> 01:29:41,000
Speaker 7: so good, I got to run. Appreciate you so much.

1915
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:42,920
Speaker 7: Good bye with us. We thank you so much.

1916
01:29:42,920 --> 01:29:45,760
Speaker 8: Always a highlight here at the Combine's The Browns Daily

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Speaker 1: Live from the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. This is

1919
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1921
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1922
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Speaker 8: That was great, awesome, really really good day. Uh started

1923
01:30:16,840 --> 01:30:20,000
Speaker 8: with Kevin and his availabilities. Every once in a while

1924
01:30:20,160 --> 01:30:20,840
Speaker 8: I look over.

1925
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:26,720
Speaker 7: And I see this is why is time?

1926
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:31,600
Speaker 5: This is somebody who is a wonderful Brown's influencer. His

1927
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:35,840
Speaker 5: gift response to a report from Jordan Schultz and Raiders

1928
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:39,960
Speaker 5: minority owner Tom Brady recently hosted Rams quarterback Matthew Stafford

1929
01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:42,479
Speaker 5: at his home in Montana, where they spent time together

1930
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:45,360
Speaker 5: and went skiing. Brady has been actively trying to convince

1931
01:30:45,439 --> 01:30:49,160
Speaker 5: Stafford to join the Raiders, and the discussions are ongoing.

1932
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Speaker 7: How could you have? Guy's a content machine he is?

1933
01:30:55,080 --> 01:30:59,720
Speaker 7: How could you have how can you have? How can

1934
01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:02,920
Speaker 7: an owners have Tom Brady calling their games when he's active?

1935
01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:06,240
Speaker 7: I don't think they should. It's crazy, like he's he's

1936
01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:08,400
Speaker 7: he's tampering. Now It's fine.

1937
01:31:08,439 --> 01:31:10,479
Speaker 8: The Rams know that he's being tampered with, but like,

1938
01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:15,400
Speaker 8: what are we doing? He calls, I don't think it's

1939
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:21,200
Speaker 8: it's crazy. Isn't that a violation? I would think. I don't,

1940
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Speaker 8: it's nuts. I mean, I know they're friends, but like,

1941
01:31:23,479 --> 01:31:26,600
Speaker 8: because you are, are they the owner? They're in the

1942
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:29,120
Speaker 8: quarterback the Quarterback Club. Come on, we grew up with

1943
01:31:29,240 --> 01:31:34,360
Speaker 8: the Quarquarterback Club was unbelievable. First thing said when you

1944
01:31:34,360 --> 01:31:36,200
Speaker 8: said quarterback club, first thing I thought it was Zuba

1945
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Speaker 8: is of course.

1946
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Speaker 7: Unbelie so good. I say, somebody wearing those in the wild,

1947
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:45,080
Speaker 7: like naturally he's not in a gym. And it wasn't.

1948
01:31:45,160 --> 01:31:46,960
Speaker 7: It wasn't Keith from gem Stones.

1949
01:31:47,200 --> 01:31:47,439
Speaker 3: Wasn't.

1950
01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:51,040
Speaker 7: If I had them this week, I would wear them

1951
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:54,240
Speaker 7: to kill tonight you would, Well, you're not going to

1952
01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:56,640
Speaker 7: get there till late. Gibbe's gonna be a late night

1953
01:31:56,680 --> 01:31:59,240
Speaker 7: for you boys. Enjoy it.

1954
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Speaker 5: Starting midnight wasnt nice as a buttery release, but release then,

1955
01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:08,000
Speaker 5: Oh God made the duckhead got it out there.

1956
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Speaker 8: Yeah, all right, we are back tomorrow. The next level

1957
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Speaker 8: is coming up next. Thanks for Uservebady Clevelandord's Daily eight

1958
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Speaker 8: fifty ESPN Cleveland.

1959
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1960
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