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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome, and I'm Doug Alliban this well, this is

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Speaker 1: all ball, all basketball, all the time. We tell stories

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Speaker 1: sometimes three preview leagues, preview games, post view games or whatever. Um.

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Speaker 1: This pod is dropping on the tenth of November, so

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Speaker 1: the first day of college basketball is in the books,

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Speaker 1: and uh, I wanted to start with a bit of

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Speaker 1: a preview of the pack twelve. We'll do this periodically.

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Speaker 1: I like other guys podcast, I like other people's perspectives,

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Speaker 1: and uh, there there's a there are some sleeping giants

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Speaker 1: still in college basketb I don't know if Arizona has

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Speaker 1: been a sleeping giant, but Arizona is the type of

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Speaker 1: program that has been a producer of quality and see

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Speaker 1: a tournament teams, final four teams, and of course bevy

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Speaker 1: of of talented NBA players. Michael Luke covers them. He's

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Speaker 1: the head of the Arizona Wildcats channel on Locked on Wildcats,

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Speaker 1: we'll hear more about his party, lives in Tucson, and

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Speaker 1: I just thought it'd be interesting, super interesting to get

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Speaker 1: his perspective on the u of a program. Months after

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Speaker 1: the coaching change was made, where Tommy Lloyd's new head

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Speaker 1: coach and Sean Miller is out. So with that in mind,

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Speaker 1: we'll get to that in the second remind of the

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Speaker 1: Doug Gotli shows daily three to six Eastern twelve through

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Speaker 1: Pacific on Fox Sports Tradio, the I Heart Radio app

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Speaker 1: Let's preview the Arizona Wildcats, and a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a little bit of Pack twelve. Um, well let's start

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Speaker 1: with this. Let's let's start your primary focus with Arizona basketball. Um,

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Speaker 1: when the hire was made, what was your initial reaction. Honestly, Doug,

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Speaker 1: I was cool with the hire because I'm a big

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Speaker 1: fan of Awakened zag and has played basketball over the years.

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Speaker 1: I think that when I think of Arizona basketball, I

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Speaker 1: think of up tempo angles, free flowing offense. And obviously

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Speaker 1: you didn't have a ton of at you know, under

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Speaker 1: Miller did a lot of good things, but Tommy, excuse me,

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Speaker 1: Mark Few to me was the closest thing to lud

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Speaker 1: obviously moved on. And when you can get his right

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Speaker 1: hand man like that, and when you watch Tommy Lloyd speak,

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Speaker 1: when you go to some of his practices, he needs

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Speaker 1: what he says. I think you're gonna be seeing a

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Speaker 1: much more of a lud Oleson style approach there, which

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Speaker 1: I think is, you know, a great thing if you're

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Speaker 1: an Arizona basketball fans. So I was in on it

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Speaker 1: for sure. It's it's it's it's a great point you

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Speaker 1: make because you know, I have so many friends that

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Speaker 1: hey man, we had three plays, you know, and um,

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Speaker 1: And it wasn't just that Sean, because I think Sean

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Speaker 1: like I. I've always found when I went to his practices,

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Speaker 1: I felt like, well I've never seen that drew before,

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Speaker 1: So there was a lot of good there, but they

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Speaker 1: just they couldn't score. They did. He didn't necessarily know

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Speaker 1: little bit more. I just yes, they did get a

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Speaker 1: it's a lot in college football. If you don't have

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Speaker 1: You're gonna look like a shitty coach. In college basketball,

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Speaker 1: you don't have multiple ball handlers, guys who can break

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Speaker 1: I agree that Tommy in theory should open it up,

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Speaker 1: I think that the two basketball guy questions are one. Um,

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Speaker 1: And too, it is so different when you move over

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Speaker 1: have no idea what that's gonna look like. We don't

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Speaker 1: then I haven't done my job. And that to me

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Speaker 1: and again, I don't want to compare Tommy Ward delude Oilson,

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Speaker 1: I mean, just keeps that thought. Because I had Sydney

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Speaker 1: he said something very similar where he's like, look, the

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Speaker 1: games are fun, and like you have to train them

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Speaker 1: in the practices, said the games, they don't actually need you, right,

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Speaker 1: it's a it's a great philosophy, but you have to

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Speaker 1: you gotta recruit smart kids, right smart, and they don't

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Speaker 1: Mike Diddy thing where you know what, you just know what,

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Speaker 1: It's a little bit like, um, when Mick got the

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Speaker 1: be the m O P. But in order to win

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Speaker 1: a couple of young stars. But the young stars are

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Speaker 1: I feel like Arizona, while they may not have the

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Speaker 1: But the way he can maneuver his body, the way

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Speaker 1: Number one's Pella Larson. This is a kid that transferred

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Speaker 1: which is they they are beautifully coached offensive there you.

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Speaker 1: you keep going on. Later on, you got um the

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Speaker 1: kid his name escapes me, the from Garfield, the five

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Speaker 1: star point Turning Roton, You've you've got all these kids,

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Speaker 1: from Seattle, and what you're seeing now is you're seeing

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Speaker 1: a lot of these kids leaving like Apollo Benchero. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: I get it you're going to do, but you've gotta

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Speaker 1: be able to recruit that area. And I look at

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Speaker 1: Washington now and I just don't really see anything on

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Speaker 1: the roster that resembles an NBA player. And at Stanford

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Speaker 1: the template was kind of there, like with Mike Montgomery

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Speaker 1: and that. You know what you bring in the Tred Johnson,

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Speaker 1: you bring in the occasional McDonald's kids, the Collins brother

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Speaker 1: the the Lopez twins and Josh Children's guys like that,

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Speaker 1: and then you sprinkle them in with a bunch of

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Speaker 1: seventy five to one fifty kids. That hasn't happened at all.

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Speaker 1: And as far as Cal goes, they've just had so much,

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Speaker 1: you know, just so much upheaval that it's hard to

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Speaker 1: remember back to the days. And this will sound crazy

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Speaker 1: because I know he got popped, but you think back

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Speaker 1: to when you know Tom Boseman was even there. You're

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Speaker 1: bringing in Jason Kidd, you're bringing in Lamon Murray, you're

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Speaker 1: bringing into fury him. I'm not saying you should bring

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Speaker 1: in those kind of guys. But you're in that Oakland

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Speaker 1: area right there, you should be able to get a

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Speaker 1: higher caliber of kids. So I was all three of

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Speaker 1: those programs, and I think they're all kind of trended

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Speaker 1: in the wrong direction. Yeah, it's it's it's fascinating. I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: you go back just a couple of years ago. Well,

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Speaker 1: my brother was there when they left it for Conzo.

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Speaker 1: You know, they had they had Tyrone Wallace, you're still there,

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Speaker 1: and then obviously he had Jalen Brown Um and they

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Speaker 1: you know trab. I mean, that's that's a program where

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Speaker 1: you can get kids in school. And yet being in Oakland,

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Speaker 1: there's all those kids are close. I've always been able

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Speaker 1: to crude l A. It's really surprised. Both of those

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Speaker 1: schools are really surprising, as is as in Washington. And

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Speaker 1: it's allowed the Wazoos of the world, the Colorado's of

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Speaker 1: the world, the Utah's of the world to be more competitive.

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Speaker 1: I think Utah's gonna be fascinating. I'm a big Craig

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Speaker 1: Smith fan. I am brought in some He's brought in

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Speaker 1: some transfers. I'm a big Tad Boyle fan. My only

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Speaker 1: problem with Tad blow. Is you lose a point guard

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Speaker 1: of that magnitude, it ain't gonna be the same, right.

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Speaker 1: I really think that's what's happened to Uh, that's what

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Speaker 1: happened to Stanford. Right. They had Tyrell Terry, who I

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Speaker 1: wasn't big on as as a pro, but if he

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Speaker 1: was going to be a junior right now, have a

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Speaker 1: completely different discussion about Stanford, right, And I feel like

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Speaker 1: you can't fall to the kid for getting her like

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Speaker 1: he's gonna be a first round pick. On the other hand,

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Speaker 1: you know it a program like Stanford isn't built that way.

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Speaker 1: They're not built to lose a kill one and done kid,

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Speaker 1: especially one that they didn't didn't expect it. It's that's

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Speaker 1: what it's gonna for the league to be anywhere near

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Speaker 1: how the A C c heck SEC Big twelve is viewed.

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Speaker 1: I think those Arizona gets close to being back. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's a consistent top twent team, but they've been there.

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Speaker 1: The reason the league has been viewed as such as

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Speaker 1: not just Arizona U Stilly not competing for national championships,

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Speaker 1: but those three schools, in my mind, they should all

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Speaker 1: be good. They should all be consistent. You know four

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Speaker 1: or five year n c A tournaments one out of

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Speaker 1: five year competing second third weekend n c A tournaments

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Speaker 1: at least, and they haven't. And that's the that's the

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Speaker 1: real story of this last thing to a run. How

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Speaker 1: how can people get your stuff? You're an Arizona fan,

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Speaker 1: you're a Packed twelve fan. How can I get your ship? Okay, So,

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Speaker 1: first of all, go to check out on Twitter at

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Speaker 1: p h n X Underscore Wildcats Work for a Go

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Speaker 1: phn X. It's a website that's basically got everything social

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Speaker 1: media in the state covered, from the Cardinals to the

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Speaker 1: Coyotes to the sun Devils. Everything. Can follow me on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: Iron Mike Luke. We got daily live streams coming out. Um,

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Speaker 1: we got interviewed player of interview players on a pretty

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Speaker 1: weekly basis, whether it's been n Afin Dal and Terry.

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Speaker 1: Those are the best ways to get a best ways

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Speaker 1: to get in touch with me. And we're just getting started.

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Speaker 1: And uh, Doug, I can't thank you enough for having

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Speaker 1: me on, having me on this is this was a

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Speaker 1: blast moment. Okay, But now I'm gonna now I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: have you answered the hard question. What's your favorite Arizona

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Speaker 1: player of all time is who Oh, it's Damon by

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Speaker 1: a mile um. Damon Stottemeyer to me is the guy

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Speaker 1: that made point guard you and made point guard you

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Speaker 1: sexy and that yes, Steve Kerr was a great point guard,

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Speaker 1: but Gamon was the first guy that people around the

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Speaker 1: nation wanted to be like. He was almost over here,

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Speaker 1: kind of like a little bit of a West Coast

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Speaker 1: Allen Iverson, and that he just brought a funk, He

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Speaker 1: brought a flare, a possess as that you didn't really

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Speaker 1: see on this side of the coast for quite a while.

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Speaker 1: And I think he was the one that really kind

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Speaker 1: of ushered in the Mike biddies, the Jason Terry's guys

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Speaker 1: like that. He was just a different animal. And he

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Speaker 1: also helped Loot transition from you know, kind of the

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Speaker 1: Tucson Skyline type situation too. All Right, I got Damon,

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Speaker 1: I got cold, I got Chris Mills. We're gonna get

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Speaker 1: up and down, so to me, and it's kind of

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Speaker 1: a shame to me, I have no clue why Damon

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Speaker 1: Stottomeyer's number isn't retired, because to me, that the rule

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Speaker 1: is you only retire numbers who are Player of the

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Speaker 1: Year or I think first Team All America. I forget

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Speaker 1: because I had to. I was doing a game and

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Speaker 1: Erica Barnes is associate a d obviously is a friend

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Speaker 1: of mine. And I was like, why is Miles number

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Speaker 1: not up? She's like, well, he wasn't a National Player

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Speaker 1: of the Year. They only retired I think of the

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Speaker 1: National Player of the Year or first Team All American

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Speaker 1: or something like that, and he was and they had

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Speaker 1: to go and figure out a way to get around

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Speaker 1: that rule. And yes, Dame side of Myers number should

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Speaker 1: be up. My finning, by the way, is the only

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Speaker 1: only appropriate answer, just so you know on this on

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Speaker 1: my pop kidding of kidding, but we've been friends and

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Speaker 1: Ford's great so uh but and and Katy, I think

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Speaker 1: Kenny Lofton was as much the point guard as Steve

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Speaker 1: Kerr was, uh with with that team. But it's it's

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Speaker 1: an amazing history of i mean just of players of

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Speaker 1: doing and I'll be interest to see if they get

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Speaker 1: it back. Mike, thank you for your time. Um let's

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Speaker 1: let's do this again after the first big U of

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Speaker 1: a game so we can evaluate what we see and

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Speaker 1: not what we think and I really appreciate you being

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Speaker 1: part of the pot. Yeah, this was great, Doug anytime

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Speaker 1: man you got my contact. Appreciate you, Bro. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: Mike Well, I thought you'd enjoy that kind of kind

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Speaker 1: of good father. Look. My thing on Tommy Lloyd is

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Speaker 1: is this um in a vacuum at many jobs. I

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Speaker 1: think he'd be an excellent higher. Arizona is a big

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Speaker 1: time top ten in America type of job really is.

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Speaker 1: And while it's not the craziest higher we've ever seen,

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Speaker 1: you did have the opportunity with Miles Simon has been

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Speaker 1: an assistant there was assistant with the Lakers, now the

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Speaker 1: head coach of the South Bay Lakers. Or Damon Stodemeyer,

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Speaker 1: who had won Coach of the Year in the w

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Speaker 1: c C with the Pacific Tigers. Remember he took over

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Speaker 1: a program which is completely decimated by not just a

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Speaker 1: coaching change, but also and saying fractions and became coach

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Speaker 1: of the year. Now he's in the NBA as an assistant.

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Speaker 1: I think those are the three guys they interviewed. It

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Speaker 1: did feel like it was Tommy's job and he took it.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't make me anti Tommy Lloyd. It's just in

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Speaker 1: this particular case, you tell me it's a player's program.

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Speaker 1: You had a couple of former players that are great

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Speaker 1: ones that had worked their way through becoming assistance and

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Speaker 1: you know one is already a college head coach. That

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Speaker 1: made more sense to me. And coming off the Lakers

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Speaker 1: when you want to chant in the World Championship, the

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Speaker 1: Lakers that that made sense to me, but they chose

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Speaker 1: Tommy Lloyd. And I think the biggest adjustment you make

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Speaker 1: in going from playing for a huge program, or coaching

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Speaker 1: with a huge program, or coaching with a long time

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Speaker 1: head coach to being your own head coach is officiating.

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Speaker 1: You don't command the same amount of respect. Now, sometimes

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Speaker 1: it can work the opposite away where because you don't

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Speaker 1: have any negative baggage. You don't have with guys. You know,

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Speaker 1: you haven't m f him up and down, you haven't

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Speaker 1: called there, you know their supervisor. But I do think

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Speaker 1: that you're officiating is a big one. I also think

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Speaker 1: the teams that have a young head coach that hasn't

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Speaker 1: coached before, almost always maybe uh, Tony Bennett's the only

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Speaker 1: other one, only only one who's the outlier. Teams play faster,

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Speaker 1: don't have good as good a shot selection and aren't

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Speaker 1: is locked in on their defense. Because the longer you

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Speaker 1: go that, you realize that as much as none of

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Speaker 1: us want to be conservative conservative basketball does we need

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Speaker 1: more games, defense, rebounding, not turn the basketball over, and

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Speaker 1: valuing possessions. You can say those things, but most times,

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Speaker 1: most programs, a young coach comes out of and wants

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Speaker 1: to show everybody how great he is offensively and how

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Speaker 1: much nicer he is to play for because you can

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Speaker 1: play faster, and that generally backfires. Really on. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean that Tommy loydo backfire, just makes it interesting. That's

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Speaker 1: why I thought you'd like this pot. I'm Doug Gottlieb.

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Speaker 1: This is all ball