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Speaker 1: And we're back with another episode of Cutting the Distance Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Dirk Durham and tonight my guest is my.

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Speaker 2: Good buddy, Josh Boyd.

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Speaker 1: Josh is a Montana resident, a great hunter, and all

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Speaker 1: around good guy. Welcome back, Josh.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me back, Derek. It's always fun to chat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Our listeners might remember you from our earlier episodes

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Speaker 1: we did last spring. One was on Elk Hunting and

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Speaker 1: another one was on Spring Bear Hunting, and if you

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Speaker 1: guys haven't listen to those, it's a it's a must

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Speaker 1: must listen. There's a lot of good a lot of

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Speaker 1: good nuggets and good conversation there.

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Speaker 4: Josh.

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Speaker 1: I saw all of your success on Instagram and we

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Speaker 1: just haven't had a chance to catch up about how

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Speaker 1: your fall went down. So I thought, you know, what

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Speaker 1: better time to get on the podcast and just kind

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Speaker 1: of talk about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you bet. It was a great fall. It

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Speaker 3: just seemed to fly by. I don't I really honestly

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Speaker 3: don't know where the time went. I just it seems

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Speaker 3: like it was just a few weeks ago. I was

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Speaker 3: just putting gear together to head to Wyoming for early

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Speaker 3: September Elk and it just I cannot believe it's mid December.

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Speaker 3: It's crazy how fast time goes.

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Speaker 2: That's crazy, that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Did you hunt in August and all or just September, October, November.

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Speaker 3: September, October, November. I mean, we do have long seasons

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Speaker 3: in Montana, and the antelope season archery season starts October

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Speaker 3: excuse me, August fifteenth here, and I just don't have

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Speaker 3: how much time to get to the east side to

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Speaker 3: hunt that time of year. I'm still busy with work

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Speaker 3: field seasons going on, and I just don't make it

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Speaker 3: out in August, and I hunt so much the rest

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Speaker 3: of the year that it's just really hard to get

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Speaker 3: away that much. And I try to burn my family

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Speaker 3: preference points later on September and October if I can.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good thinking. It's a little nicer to be

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Speaker 1: a little nicer weather, I guess in September October than

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Speaker 1: it is in August. I feel like those eastern Montana

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Speaker 1: August tenths would be pretty warm.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it would be brutal out there, I think. And yeah,

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Speaker 3: the only thing I have to hunt out east would

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Speaker 3: be antelope. And this past year I had a rifle tag,

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Speaker 3: so I kind of like to wait till October and go. Okay,

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Speaker 3: it's a really fun haunt because it's kind of in

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Speaker 3: between our archery season and our general rifle season in

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Speaker 3: the state. Okay, so it's a great little like long

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Speaker 3: weekend trip to head head out there and enjoy the prairie.

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Speaker 3: So I kind of try to see if I have

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Speaker 3: a rifle tag. I try to save my antelope tag

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Speaker 3: for that opening week of rifle analo rifle.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been applying for I think this is year three,

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Speaker 1: maybe maybe four for ant help. I'd have to look

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Speaker 1: at my points, but I still haven't drawn. I thought

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Speaker 1: for sharsing draw this year and I still haven't, so

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Speaker 1: maybe next year. Really looking forward to it. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if I'm super like interested in shooting like a

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Speaker 1: giant trophy one. Maybe, I mean, if I see what,

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Speaker 1: I'd love to shoot one. But I just want to

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Speaker 1: go and have the experience and just go Analoe hunting.

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Speaker 1: Everybody says it's so fun and you can do it

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Speaker 1: all day, and it's not just a dog down and

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Speaker 1: dusk type of a hunt, you know, like some hunts

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, absolutely, yeah, it is a fun hunt. I it,

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Speaker 3: and they're easy to kill, so I make it into

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Speaker 3: little bit. Oka But it seemed, well, it seems like

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Speaker 3: every year I end up shooting a pretty good buck

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Speaker 3: that first day. Yeah, but I go over a few

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Speaker 3: end up just getting on them first thing in the morning.

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Speaker 3: But you know, sometimes it's you know, there's a little

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of what I found with Eastern Montana

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Speaker 1: muleder hunting. I mean, if you want to drive around

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Speaker 1: my buddy and Ryan Lampers, I think they'll go and

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Speaker 1: you can make it whatever you want.

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Speaker 2: I think you know.

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Speaker 3: Which is cool, which is that's awesome. Yeah, that's the

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Speaker 1: It's there's something there for everybody, you know.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, that was a.

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Speaker 1: Man I I seen that. I will say, you know,

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Speaker 1: I I'm like, I don't know if I don't really

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Speaker 1: I saw that one you shot and I was.

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Speaker 2: Like, oh wow, I want one like that. That was

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Speaker 2: a nice buck.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So the unit that I apply for, it's I

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Speaker 3: haven't drawn one. It seems to be the pattern that

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Speaker 3: I've fallen into is every other year I'll get it

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Speaker 3: it's genetics, nutrition, I don't I've kind of heard it's

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Speaker 3: not necessarily old age but anyway, we're I've been hunting.

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Speaker 3: I've been seeing a lot of nice bucks, and so

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Speaker 3: every tag that I've pulled from this unit produced really

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Speaker 3: looks of those big bucks. They'll have that big, dark

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Speaker 3: longer when they get bigger like that, okay, and blacker,

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Speaker 3: and the face markings are more striking, and of course

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Speaker 3: the horns stick up and are very impressive. So I

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Speaker 3: don't know, It's just kind of fun shooting big animals

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Speaker 3: if you can do it. Not that I'm strictly a

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Speaker 3: definitely not a trophy hunter when it comes.

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Speaker 1: To elk, But I'm the same way I got it

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I like shooting big animals, you know, if

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: And it looks like you found a big old deadhead too.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what killed it, but it was a

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Speaker 3: you know, the spinal cord was or column was there

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, are you able to retrieve dead heads in Montana?

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah you can. Yeah, but if oh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like yeah, it's it's it'll be good staying

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was pretty nasty smelling.

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of a lot of Western states

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Speaker 1: Watching and yeah, that's a pretty nice bear. And then

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Speaker 1: But man, it was cool. The funny thing is the

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Speaker 1: a pretty big bear, and then the other one's like,

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Speaker 1: holy cow, and he looked he was colored like a grizzly.

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Speaker 1: We're like, oh my god, it's a grizzly bear. Holy

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Speaker 2: And we were like, oh my god.

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Speaker 1: You know grizzly. And we watched that thing for a

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Speaker 1: it looked like he had a hump on his back.

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Speaker 3: So it was like a pah. I did not know

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we just had to watch and enjoy it.

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Speaker 3: We laid there in our tents listening the bulls bugle

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Speaker 1: Yeah, try to get one of those big herd bulls

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Speaker 1: They started bugling pretty good, but they weren't bugling on

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Speaker 1: They weren't out there talking on their own, and it

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Speaker 1: But once they'd kind of bugle, they bugled pretty good

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Speaker 2: Oh it just went to a ghost town.

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Speaker 1: Man. It was.

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Speaker 1: In fact, you know, bulls would just you get if

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trying to Yeah, I guess the first bull

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Speaker 3: And yeah, so we did call that bulling and Trevor

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Speaker 3: like sixteen eighteen yards from me. Wow, so top ten

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Speaker 3: away Reilly, Which that's incredible. I know, I've never had

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Speaker 3: I was just waiting for that to come to completion,

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Speaker 3: But anyway, we got the bowl. But that was a

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Speaker 3: And he came in hot, came in all fired up.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, I god, I love that ID two s.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was awesome.

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Speaker 3: And that happened to be like River's second archery bowl.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, huh you said they they were They were

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Speaker 2: What do that? What's your opinion on that?

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Speaker 1: Do you have any kind of a hypothesis or a

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Speaker 2: The next day it's like ghost town. Why is that?

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Speaker 3: Well, so we camped. I don't know what it is.

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Speaker 1: All night.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: I kind of think there's some of that also think

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Speaker 1: They got the job done and it's just we're gonna

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Speaker 2: Be a lazy in milkwoods.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I have yet to have anybody, Yeah, I know, I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how long have we been doing this and we're

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Speaker 1: If it was just like fishing, shooting fish in a

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Speaker 1: and probably something different.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's always a challenge.

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Speaker 1: Now, you killed a bowl, and there was quite a

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Speaker 2: Uh and maybe maybe you.

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Speaker 1: Killed this bowl in an area your grandfather hundred years

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So it was an area that my dad grew

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Speaker 2: Okay, So.

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Speaker 3: My dad, his father, and my dad's grandfather hunted elk

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Speaker 3: I mean, then they have native they're enrolled Indians out

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Speaker 3: they've been trapsing those mountain ranges for years and years

437
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 3: and years and I was as a little kid. Some

438
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 3: of my first memories of hunting were up there in

439
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:30,120
Speaker 3: my great grandfather's hunting camp. Like my parents would take

440
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 3: me out of me and my brother out of school

441
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 3: and we would drive all the way to Wyoming and

442
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 3: then we'd go up to this camp and there would

443
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,640
Speaker 3: be some a couple old trailers that he pulled in

444
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 3: to his cow camp slash hunting camp, and then my

445
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 3: great grandfather and my dad would get on their horses

446
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 3: and go into the back country and shoot elk for

447
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,199
Speaker 3: themselves and the whole family for the most part. But

448
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 3: it was like I remember seeing story or hearing stories,

449
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,919
Speaker 3: seeing pictures, being immersed in the hunting camp, you know,

450
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 3: in early October, and just the sights and smells, and

451
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 3: I just had never really got to experience that mountain

452
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 3: range as an adult. Yeah, so this was an opportunity

453
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 3: for me to go hunt that same mountain range and

454
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 3: kind of get a feel for how those elk act,

455
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 3: how they use the landscape, how I can navigate and

456
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 3: get around in that landscape, and just to see if

457
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 3: I can put the puzzles together with the help of

458
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 3: some friends. Of course, sure, of course, And I wasn't

459
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 3: over hunting, you know, in their area where my great

460
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 3: grandfather hunted. But it was just fun. And there's a

461
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:50,640
Speaker 3: picture on the wall in the hallway of my parents' house,

462
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 3: and I remember seeing it ever since I was a

463
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 3: little kid of my great grandfather with a big bully

464
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 3: shot and my dad was with them the day the

465
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,479
Speaker 3: he shot it. They got into a herd elk and

466
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 3: this bowl had some cows pushed up into these small

467
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 3: pines and he ended up shooting it pretty close. They

468
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 3: shot a couple of elk that day, and I think

469
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 3: they were packing it out and my grandfather's horse like

470
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 3: fell over on top of a log with my grandfather

471
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 3: on it and crushed him kind of injured him and

472
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 3: he had to go out early out of the hunting camp.

473
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 3: But anyway, you hear all these stories and see these pictures,

474
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 3: and this picture of that big bull with my great

475
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 3: grandfather was on the wall my whole life basically, and

476
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 3: I don't know, just always intrigued me, always drew me

477
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 3: to that area of the state and just made me

478
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 3: like get excited to go down there and just to

479
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 3: see what it was like and hunted as an adult

480
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 3: and experience it. So yeah, that was this trip to

481
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 3: Fall was getting back to that country and just seeing

482
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 3: what it looked like and seeing if I could kind

483
00:25:55,680 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 3: of piece together things from a just hunting on your

484
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 3: own perspective.

485
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: Did you did that just hit different? Did you like

486
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: have did you have the fields? Did you feel the fields?

487
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: Did you like have some like man the nostalgia, like

488
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: I kind of remember some of this or was it

489
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: completely different and foreign from what you remembered as a kid?

490
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it was a little different. You know, where

491
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 3: they're hunting camp was on the one side of the

492
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 3: mountain range. It was a slightly different terrain. It was

493
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 3: still rockies. It was just real rugged, but there seemed

494
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 3: to be bigger, like willow complexy meadows. Yeah, just slightly

495
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 3: different terrain, but it was still pretty similar. Some of

496
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 3: the smells, Like there's a certain kind of willow that

497
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 3: grows down there. It's different than the willows I'm used

498
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 3: to having appear in western Montana, And they just have

499
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 3: a slightly different smell in those meadows. And I don't

500
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 3: know if it's with some of the sedges that grow

501
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 3: there as well. And there's beaver dam complexes and the

502
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 3: whole you know, mess of the ecology those wetland meadows

503
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 3: that makes them smell that way. But they definitely there's

504
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 3: a distinct smell to those. And you know how smells

505
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 3: are linked to memory. So when I first popped out

506
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 3: into one of those meadows, like it just hit me

507
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 3: as like, oh yeah, this smells exactly like it did

508
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 3: at my great grandfather's hunting camp. So it kind of

509
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 3: gives you a little bit of the kind of the

510
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 3: those feelies as you were saying.

511
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, my grandfather hunted in area here in

512
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 1: Idaho at the time was full elk, and my dad

513
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: and my uncles would hunt there too. And you know,

514
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: fast forward several years too, when I was a young adult,

515
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: I started hunting there and and there's some there's some

516
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: meadow grass, kind of those those moose bog type meadows,

517
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 1: and that kind of tall yellow grass that grows in

518
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 1: there's kind of that swampy stuff and I can, I

519
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: can just smell it right now. Just the thought of

520
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 1: like I can, I just triggers that that thought of

521
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: memory of of going there as a young kid, and

522
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 1: that particular smell for that area. I haven't smelled that

523
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: anywhere else I've ever been.

524
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 2: You know whether it's.

525
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: Wyoming or even way way way North Idaho or wherever

526
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: in Idaho or Montana. I haven't smelled those same smells

527
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: per se. There's just exactly what you say. You know,

528
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: the willows had a different smell than what you're used to.

529
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: And yeah, those like just just what you said. It

530
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: triggers little memories and things. And you know, in this

531
00:28:54,880 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: one drainage, my grandfather used to hunt and in two

532
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: thousand I called in the biggest bull I've ever seen

533
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: in my life anywhere on planet Earth, you know, hunting.

534
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: Of course, I know you see pictures on the internet

535
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: all the time, but uh, it was. I would say

536
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: it was close to a four four hundred inch bowl

537
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: and this area is not really known for that size

538
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: of bulls. And when I seen this bull, I thought, man,

539
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: I wish there was somebody with me because nobody is

540
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:29,959
Speaker 1: ever going to believe this. And it was, it was,

541
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: it was just such an amazing thing. And I you know,

542
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: the it's classic elk hunting story. You know, the bull

543
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: was screaming, just coming in on a string like tension

544
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: on the bow string. The brush is moving, you haven't

545
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: quite seen him yet, and then the wind hitch in

546
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: the back of the neck and.

547
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 2: He takes Ah.

548
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: It was right on this little ridge ledge and where

549
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: it kind of opened up. It's kind of a timbered ridge,

550
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: and over on the ledge of the ridge, it kind

551
00:29:58,440 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: of opened up a little bit. So it ran over

552
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: the real quick, and he ran off in the backside.

553
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: It was kind of a little basin in there that

554
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: was nothing but olderbrush up in this flat kind of

555
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: basin that graduate had a gradual climb up to a

556
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: up to another ridge. And I ran over there and

557
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: I looked and I seen this bowl, and I'm like, oh,

558
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: holy cow, nobody's ever gonna believe this thing.

559
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 2: And of course it's out of bull range.

560
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: And he goes over to the alders and he and

561
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: they're huge alders, and he starts raking. I think, you know,

562
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: he starts he puts his antlers on those alders and

563
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: just starts messing with him, just starts raking. I'm like, oh,

564
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: maybe he's not that spooked. I can call him back.

565
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, he just kind of

566
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: just lunges and jumps into the middle. He was trying

567
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: to part them, is what he was trying to do,

568
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: because they were so thick. He's trying to part them

569
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: with these antlers, and he jumps and he just jumps

570
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: right into those alders and just kind of just kind

571
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: of just kind of did this this walky jump thing,

572
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: treading through these all this older patch all the way

573
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: up out of this basin. So I walked this giant

574
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: rack and head float through the alders all the way

575
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: up out of this basin and out of my life forever.

576
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm like, nobody is ever gonna believe this.

577
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 2: Ah. So it was like surreal, you know.

578
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: I was like, man, if I could have killed that bowl,

579
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: it would have been like the icing on the cake.

580
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: But I had killed bulls in that in that drainage

581
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: that my grandfather hunted and which was really special, and

582
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: my mom always said, she's like, this is her dad.

583
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: And back in the old days, he would he would

584
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: get like PBC pipes or like galvanized pipes and put

585
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: the little plug in the end of them and blow them.

586
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: Remember those kind of elk beagles people used to have.

587
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: It's just like kind of a whistle and he'd mess

588
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: around with that and he's like, man, if I could

589
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: just figure out how to bugle and sound good, like

590
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: a real elk man. We could really kill these things.

591
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: And he was always messing with it and wishing and

592
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: wanting to be able to bugle like a real elk.

593
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, you know, he passed away when I was

594
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,959
Speaker 1: really little, so he never got to see the progression

595
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: of elk bugles that we have today or even in

596
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: the eighties. You know, he passed around pretty early eighties. So,

597
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: but that was always a really special place. So I

598
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: can understand the nostalgia and the want to go hunt

599
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: somewhere where, you know, and we would always go up

600
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: there as a little kid, you know, to return to

601
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: those places for the nostalgia, I can I can relate.

602
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it was fun. It was It made my

603
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 3: entire year, my entire season, regardless of what happened after September,

604
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 3: it was that was like it just it just made

605
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 3: everything perfect.

606
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, of course.

607
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 3: I still went and hunted more and had a bunch

608
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 3: more fun.

609
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

610
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 3: Matter of fact, as I was driving I was leaving Wyoming,

611
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 3: I got a text from my good hunting buddy back home.

612
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 3: He's like, Hey, what are you doing this weekend? I

613
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 3: want to go el hutting. And I'm like, well, let

614
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 3: me check the temperature of my household when I get

615
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 3: home and let you know, He's like, oh yeah, I UNDERSTANDABLEOK,

616
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 3: cause I was gone, like I don't know, eighteen days

617
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 3: down there, so maybe not quite that much, but close

618
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 3: to that. And so I got home unpacked and looked

619
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 3: at my wife and she's like, so you're going out

620
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 3: this weekend and I was like, yep, yep, I am.

621
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 3: I guess I'm going out. So we went out and

622
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 3: it was awesome too, because my partner here, he decided

623
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 3: this year that he was going to hunt elk strictly

624
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 3: with his recurve. He's never killed the bull his recurve.

625
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

626
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 3: And so he's like, I'm gonna take my recurve.

627
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, well.

628
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 3: That's great, let's go. Let's see who we can do.

629
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,479
Speaker 3: And we went out that morning. He shut his first

630
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 3: bowl at his recurve by like eight thirty.

631
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 2: Oh man, it was awesome. I'm so jealous.

632
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 3: Yeah. It was perfect. I mean, the wind was perfect.

633
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 3: It was that cold, crisp morning. I bugled off this

634
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 3: little point and there's just this little i don't know,

635
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 3: forty acre pocket a brush of just mefi and spruce

636
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 3: and subalpin fur and huckleberry brush, and he just screamed

637
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 3: instantly out of there. We dropped in closed the distance

638
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 3: a little bit, screamed at him a few more times,

639
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 3: cut him off, and I could just hear him come.

640
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 3: And my buddy Jared went out in front and he

641
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 3: got set up, and I videoed the whole thing with

642
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 3: my phone, and I just I could see Jared and

643
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 3: just pan over to the elk. I could see the

644
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 3: elk rack in my phone. I could see the elk

645
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 3: pretty well by you know, I had my phone down low,

646
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 3: kind of my bino arms sure, and I saw Jared

647
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 3: come to full I saw the bull move forward, and

648
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 3: then I heard a little squeak, like a little tiny

649
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 3: light calcohol from Jared, and I'm like, oh, here we go.

650
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 3: And then all I heard was this wet thud oh

651
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 3: of that of that arrow just smacking it and the

652
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,760
Speaker 3: bull world I bugled, and then it was just silent,

653
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 3: and then I looked over at Jared. He was just

654
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 3: frozen there. Then he like dropped his head and he

655
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 3: looked up and dropped his head again, like, oh no,

656
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 3: did he just whiff it? Oh no, this is not good.

657
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 3: And then he just gives you that fist pumped, you know, like,

658
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 3: oh yes, yeah, he's yeah, twenty yards, perfect placement. The

659
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 3: bull world went down the hill thirty yards and just

660
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 3: fell over dead, rolled down into the brush and just

661
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 3: laying there dead. Or Elvis's that's awesome, wet thud.

662
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 2: I love it, man.

663
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: I've never heard anybody describe it as that. And as

664
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: soon as you said it, man, my brain started going,

665
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: that's exactly what it sounds like.

666
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't He didn't hit any ribs, so he

667
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 3: didn't hear that crack. It was just a yeah, yeah,

668
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 3: it was pretty cool.

669
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 2: So that's awesome.

670
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,280
Speaker 3: And then there was a bull. Like as we butchered

671
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 3: that bull and packed it out, there was a bull

672
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 3: bugle and at the head of the base and he

673
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 3: did not shut up all day long. He sat back there,

674
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:44,919
Speaker 3: bugled and and bugled. We dropped down with one load

675
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 3: to the truck and hiked back in, and as we

676
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 3: were hiking back in, he was still bogling back there.

677
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: Man.

678
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: I know, isn't it always the times that you just

679
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: don't have the time, opportunity, whatever, that you can go

680
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: after those that you got balls the cranking like that.

681
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, when we were starting off of there with

682
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 3: the second load, I'm like, Jared, what do you think

683
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,479
Speaker 3: should we drop this load down there and go after

684
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 3: that bull. He's like, yeah, Okay, let's do it. But

685
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm just joking, let's get this thing

686
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:12,760
Speaker 3: to the truck.

687
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 2: Oh man, man, if.

688
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 3: That kind of finished out my when was that? That

689
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 3: must have been like the last weekend of September. Okay

690
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 3: maybe yeah, something like that. So that kind of finished

691
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 3: out my September. So it was great.

692
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, lots of all.

693
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 3: I not for ELK. I did not go look for

694
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 3: Elk at all with my rifle. I still had a

695
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 3: Montana tag and my freezer's packed with Helk. Beat it

696
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 3: just to the brim because I shot two bowls last year,

697
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 3: so I'm still working on some of that. And then

698
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 3: I shot this Wyoming bowl and I was like, I

699
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 3: do not need to shoot another bowl. I know it's

700
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 3: not about need sometimes, but I was just like, yeah,

701
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 3: and rifle hunting for elcause it seems to be more

702
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 3: of a chore at times than it is enjoyable. So

703
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 3: I just took my time and hunted mule deer after

704
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 3: my ad a little punt in October a hundred mule deer.

705
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 3: And then I got beat down pretty hard with some

706
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 3: of the deep, deep snow that we got in mid November,

707
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,240
Speaker 3: I took a break and hunted some white tails.

708
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 2: Nice.

709
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really wanted to pick your brain on these

710
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: white tails. Now, you won't brag on yourself at all.

711
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 2: But I'm going to do it a little bit.

712
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: You're kind of an old I mean, you're all around hunter,

713
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: like one of the best all around hunters I know.

714
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: But you're pretty dang good whitetail hunter too. Now, it's

715
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: been a while, but there was a time when you

716
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: had a picture on the cover of a major outdoor

717
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: publication with a giant white tail. Is that?

718
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 2: Am I right?

719
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 3: Yes, yes you are.

720
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 2: What magazine was that and when was that?

721
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 3: So that was Eastman's Bow Hunting Journal, and that well

722
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 3: I killed the buck in two thousand and six, Okay,

723
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 3: so I think the magazine came out in two thousand

724
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 3: and seven. Ok Yeah, it was a cover. Like it's

725
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 3: not very often you get a white tail on the cover.

726
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 4: Of an Eastman's.

727
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 3: No, it's usually an antelope or a sheet, or an

728
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 3: elk or a mule deer. I mean, your classic Western

729
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 3: big game.

730
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, to get a white tail on there. I mean,

731
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: that's that's saying something that was a big buck.

732
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was pretty fun. Yeah, and that buck was

733
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 3: that consumed my life for a while. I spent so

734
00:39:55,200 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 3: much time trying to put together the puzzle of that

735
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 3: white tail. I saw him at the very end of

736
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 3: the previous hunting season. Okay, Like so it was like

737
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 3: right after the season ended. I actually went on a

738
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 3: little I was going for a trail run, and I

739
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 3: thought I might as well just run through this little

740
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,439
Speaker 3: area I like to go a white tail hunt. There's

741
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 3: kind of an old logging road that goes back. There's

742
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,479
Speaker 3: all really grown in, kind of more than two track.

743
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 3: Now sure did anything. I'm like, I'm just going to

744
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 3: go for a run through there. And I was jogging

745
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 3: through there, I see this deer kind of like drop

746
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 3: into this little draw and pop out the other side.

747
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 3: Massive deer. I mean it was just immediately in my

748
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 3: mind like that is a giant buck. Oh my god,

749
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 3: where did he come from? And how do I how

750
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 3: do I get him? How do I find this thing?

751
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 3: Next year? So I spent I don't know how many

752
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 3: days just looking for his sheds and I never did

753
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 3: find his sheds. Apparently some dog dog walker picked him up.

754
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 3: I kept found out later. Man, he take his dog

755
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 3: out down the Seoul Loggin Road and they were just

756
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 3: laying there. But I found an antler from the previous year,

757
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 3: so it had been there, been laying there two years,

758
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,720
Speaker 3: and uh, it's like, oh, this is a big bucket.

759
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 3: I was finding big rubs, trails, and I just and

760
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 3: it's just this weird kind of flat and so I

761
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 3: kind of put together a game plan and had all

762
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 3: these tree stands hung in this area. And you know,

763
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 3: when you scout in the spring and your shedhitting in

764
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 3: the spring, you're seeing all this sign from the previous year.

765
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 3: You've seeing all the old scrapes, and the trails are

766
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 3: more observable, and you can see the rubs and you

767
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 3: can see the rubs that have been rubbed multiple years

768
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 3: in a row, like big heavy trees. And I was like, well,

769
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 3: that buck is definitely rubbing these trees over and over

770
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 3: year after year. So I kind of focused on that,

771
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 3: and man, I ended up sitting a few times. I

772
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 3: passed up a pretty nice buck and I decided, here's

773
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 3: the crazy part. I decided to bowhunt them. I don't

774
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 3: know why. It was rifle season, and I thought, you know,

775
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 3: I just I'd been reading a bunch of articles about

776
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 3: bow hunting white tails back East, and I'm like, I

777
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 3: just I want to kind of experience that, so I'm

778
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 3: just going to do it.

779
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: Sure, So I just did it.

780
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 3: And yeah, I think the fourth time I was out

781
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 3: rainy was after like a four day rain in November.

782
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and everything was kind of hunkered down for

783
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 3: a while, and then it just started to let up.

784
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 3: And then the deer started crawling out of the woodwork

785
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 3: and ended up kind of rattling, and I used a

786
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 3: doughe eat and some other bucks came in, some smaller ones,

787
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 3: and started sparring out in front of my tree stand.

788
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 3: And they just sat there and sparred and sparred and

789
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 3: sparred all evening long, and I just kind of like

790
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 3: let him do their thing, yeah, and thinking it's gonna

791
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 3: there's a big buck around, He's going to come in potentially.

792
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,760
Speaker 3: And I was really focused on watching those deer because

793
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 3: I they'd be like three of them sparring. And then

794
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 3: I looked up and I saw another one come out

795
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 3: of the timber and join in, and I was just

796
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 3: really focused on those deer, and I decided I better

797
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:28,919
Speaker 3: and I thought to myself, I better keep an eye

798
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 3: out behind me and off to my left. And I

799
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 3: look over and I could see the top of this

800
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 3: this larch tree just whipping back and forth about one

801
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 3: hundred yards away. I was like, oh, what is that?

802
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,959
Speaker 3: And then out he walks kind of heading straight down

803
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 3: right to me. He was going to walk right in

804
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 3: front of me to where these bucks were over to

805
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 3: my right, and so I just stood up, grabbed my

806
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 3: bow and got ready. He walked out at fifteen yards

807
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 3: right below me, and I just stroked him. And I

808
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 3: didn't know how it was like the buck that that

809
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 3: I was after, but I saw he was a big deer.

810
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,439
Speaker 3: He looked real heavy, and his tians kind of looked

811
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 3: short because he was so heavy. But after the arrow hit,

812
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 3: you know, any whirled and went out there and crashed.

813
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, man, that's a good deer. And

814
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 3: I walked over and pulled his head up out of

815
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 3: the brush. I was like, who, this thing is a

816
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 3: giant deer. This is the this is the buck I

817
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 3: was after. That's the on was yeah, yeah, so yeah,

818
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 3: that was a crazy yeah, but I'd spent maybe twenty

819
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 3: five thirty days in that area just scouting, looking and

820
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 3: also looking for his sheds. I was like, my wife

821
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 3: was in grad school in another state, and I was

822
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 3: living on my own. I didn't have a kid, I

823
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 3: had nothing else going on.

824
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 1: Nothing, but yeah, the good old days.

825
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 2: Yes, life gets in the way. Done that sometime.

826
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 1: Yeah you wouldn't trade it for nothing, but no, I wouldn't.

827
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: But sometimes it'd be nice to just be able to

828
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: have some of that time and pret go do that

829
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: stuff again. That uh, that buck. I just have a dull,

830
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: distant memory of what it looked like, and I remember

831
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:34,439
Speaker 1: it being incredibly massive. If you don't mind sharing, what

832
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: did that buck score?

833
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 3: M hm? I never got it officially scored.

834
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:47,240
Speaker 5: Okay, but if I remember right, lots of people asked,

835
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 5: so I put a tape on it, and I want

836
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 5: to say it was one eighty two gross.

837
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, nets are for fish, right.

838
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 3: Yes, Yes, I'm not much of a fisherman.

839
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: Yeah that's yeah.

840
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 3: It's a solid deer.

841
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a giant, giant buck. So now this

842
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,240
Speaker 1: year you killed a great white tail.

843
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 2: I was so happy to see that. I've seen it

844
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 2: come across my feet on Instagram.

845
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yes, my white tail buddy is back.

846
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: He did it again. It's really nice, beautiful buck. Tell

847
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: me tell me that story.

848
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 3: Boy, It's not as exciting as the archery one, but it.

849
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 3: I have a coworker who is just sort of kind

850
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 3: of getting into hunting. Yeah, he listens to the Meat

851
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 3: Eater podcast all the time. He's always asked me questions

852
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 3: about different rifle and how to hunt and where to hunt,

853
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 3: and super curious about it. But he's never really asked

854
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,720
Speaker 3: to go out hunting with me. And I was spending

855
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 3: a ton of time earlier and in November looking for

856
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 3: mule deer. Oh yeah, And he kind of went after

857
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 3: some mule deer for a little bit, but he wasn't

858
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 3: super pumped on shooting one. So one day I asked

859
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 3: him like, Hey, you want to we should go We

860
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 3: should go out hunting at some point together. And he's like, oh,

861
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 3: really you want to do that. I'm like, yeah, let's

862
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 3: do it. Let's just do a day hunt for white

863
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 3: tails or something. So we put together a plan and

864
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,439
Speaker 3: there's a spot that I I kind of know, it's

865
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 3: sort of little not I wouldn't say it's a secret spot,

866
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 3: but it's it's not the most logical spot to go

867
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 3: park and then go hunt. So it was a day

868
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 3: hunt I took. Of course, I always take my backpack,

869
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 3: my big backpack when I go day hunt, because I

870
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,959
Speaker 3: never go in places where I can get a deer

871
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 3: out hole.

872
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: For the most part, you don't want to drag it.

873
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 3: No, I thought about dragging this one out, but it

874
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 3: was a way, so I'm glad I had them a pack.

875
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 3: But so we just split up, and I was kind

876
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 3: of give them the spiel about still hunting and sitting

877
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 3: and watching like the edges of some of these clearcuts

878
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 3: and some of these little brushy draws, and just trying

879
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 3: to tell them about the train that these deer liked

880
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 3: to use and travel through, how the they feel protected. Yeah,

881
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 3: And also it was middle of the rut, and I

882
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 3: was like, you can see a deer at any point, anytime, anywhere.

883
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 3: Just stay vigilant, take your time, don't move too fast.

884
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 3: And so you know, we split up before daylight, and

885
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 3: we had a plan to meet up on top of

886
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 3: this ridge and later in the morning. And so I'd

887
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 3: hiked up this ridge and popped up on some high points,

888
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 3: and I glass some kind of some brushy clearcuts, and

889
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 3: the snow was still kind of on the brush at

890
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 3: this time, but it was starting to warm up. We'd

891
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 3: had a fresh snowfall the night before, so you can

892
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 3: kind of see fresher sign. And I popped out on

893
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 3: the edge into this clear cut and I could see

894
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 3: most of it, and I thought, I'm just gonna like

895
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 3: work my way through it. And it's kind of sat

896
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 3: on this shoulder, so you could kind of see. It's

897
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 3: kind of on a ridgetop, so you could see kind

898
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 3: of both sides of the shoulder, so think of like

899
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 3: a saddle on a horse. I was just walking right

900
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 3: down the backbone and I got out there and I

901
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 3: could see like a fairly fresh track that crossed the

902
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 3: clear cut from heavy timber to heavy timber. And I thought, well,

903
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 3: I'm gonna follow that track for a little ways. And

904
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 3: I worked my way down this track and I could

905
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 3: see where it bedded, and then it got really fresh

906
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 3: and it went a little I could see it kind

907
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 3: of going down the hill towards this opening, and I

908
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 3: glassed down in this opening, and sure enough, there's a

909
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 3: new it. It was a dough so I just kind

910
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 3: of leaned there against the tree and watched her for

911
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 3: quite a while, and she just fed and fed and fed,

912
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 3: didn't act nervous. You could tell she was by herself,

913
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 3: like there's nothing else around. A lot of times you

914
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 3: could tell and there's something bugging them, or they're waiting

915
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 3: for another deer, be it their fawn, or there's a

916
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 3: buck pestering them, but she seemed to be alone. So

917
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 3: I just sat there for a long time. It was

918
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 3: a great vantage point, and I kept thinking myself, like,

919
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 3: you know what, you better watch your backtrack there, buddy,

920
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 3: because how many times you walk back on your own

921
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 3: track and see deer tracks that have crossed your own

922
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 3: a lot a lot. So I, yeah, it happened to

923
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 3: me all the time. So I just looked back and

924
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 3: I caught a little glimpse of movement out of the

925
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 3: corner of my eye, and it was a flash of

926
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 3: a deer coming up out of that heavy timber into

927
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 3: the clear cut, and I could see it was a

928
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 3: buck rider just by its body language and size of

929
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 3: the shape of it. So I kind of dropped down

930
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 3: to one knee looked at it through my scope, and

931
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 3: I could tell it was only one hundred and fifty

932
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 3: yards away, right, and I could tell it. It was like

933
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 3: it's a good deer, good dear. Something looks a little

934
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 3: funky with him, but boy, it looks like a good buck.

935
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 3: And then I could see him kind of walking around

936
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 3: a little bit nosing, and there was enough brush there.

937
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 3: I just didn't have a clear shot at him, but

938
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 3: I could just get glimpses of him, and then I

939
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 3: could see what he was after. There's a doe was

940
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 3: right there in front of him. He just pushed a

941
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 3: dough out into that unit and was just kind of

942
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 3: hanging back. Well, she wasn't in any hurry. They weren't spooked,

943
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 3: and I kind of lost sight of him for a second.

944
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 3: So I just got ready, kind of dialed my scope

945
00:51:54,719 --> 00:52:01,720
Speaker 3: power up a hare and probably like maybe ten power,

946
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 3: and just rested on my knee, and as soon as

947
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 3: he popped out and turned broadside, I just just you know,

948
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 3: squeezed my first round off, first and only round off

949
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 3: I shot, and he just disappeared like my rifle recoiled

950
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 3: and he wasn't there anymore. Yeah, but there's enough brush

951
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 3: and little roll there in the terrain. I just couldn't

952
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 3: tell exactly if he just like jumped over some brush

953
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 3: or just that roll of that ridge and I just

954
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 3: couldn't see him. But the dough just stood there and

955
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 3: looked around to start walking away. I have a suppressor

956
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 3: on my rifle, okay, and it I mean she had

957
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 3: was not concerned at all. But I just stayed there

958
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 3: and looking at the last spot I saw him, thinking, well,

959
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 3: if he's still up, I'm gonna see him here in

960
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 3: a minute.

961
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

962
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 3: I sat there for probably three or four minutes, and

963
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 3: I never saw him re emerged. The doe walked off like, well,

964
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 3: he's either either that shot hit close to home and

965
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 3: he just high tailed it out of here, or I

966
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 3: killed him. And I walked over there and he's just

967
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 3: laying there, just spread out dead. I mean, he just

968
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 3: dropped right at the shot kind of find out, and

969
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 3: so I hit him a little on the he was

970
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 3: cording away a little bit. I hit him kind of

971
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 3: right in the back of the ribs and it angled

972
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 3: forward through his chest and it just swattered him. Wow,

973
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 3: And then I realized that that's a solid I mean,

974
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 3: he was as big as I thought he was, but

975
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 3: he looked a little funky because he had that he

976
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 3: had a broken tie on one side. That photo that's

977
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 3: on Instagram. He can't really see it, but if you

978
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:35,760
Speaker 3: look close, you can see one of his back times

979
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 3: snapped off.

980
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,720
Speaker 1: I noticed that. I was like, something's not right here,

981
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: and then I was like, oh, it's got a broken

982
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,919
Speaker 1: G two, which probably I would have matched.

983
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 2: What was a ten inches it.

984
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 3: Was maybe, yeah, maybe a little more.

985
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 1: Yeah.

986
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was pretty tall.

987
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 2: It was a good buck.

988
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. And it was a fresh break too, so it

989
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 3: seemed like it look to me like it had been

990
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 3: within the last couple of days. It was just like

991
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 3: that fresh, white, clean break. It hadn't been rubbed and

992
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,879
Speaker 3: polished at all from rubbing on anything, so you could

993
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 3: tell it was fairly fresh. So that was November twenty first, okay,

994
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 3: I believe. So they were hot and heavy, oh, right

995
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 3: there in the middle of November.

996
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I we've been talking about this for a

997
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: long time. And one of these days, maybe next year,

998
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: if I can get a tag.

999
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 3: Dang Montana.

1000
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 1: They hate me, but if I could get a tag,

1001
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 1: I want to come over and go hunt that north

1002
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 1: country up in the White Tail Woods with you do

1003
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 1: the old yes little wall Tunt Camp and yeah, It's

1004
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:51,280
Speaker 1: the thing about that time of year is of hunting,

1005
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 1: is the days are short and the nights are long,

1006
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 1: and man, you got to you gotta be camp with

1007
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:00,439
Speaker 1: somebody that you like and enjoy their you're your time

1008
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 1: with them, because if you're by yourself. I've done this before.

1009
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: I've done these hunts by myself, and man, it is boring.

1010
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 1: The nights are long, like they are. It just like, man,

1011
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: I'd like to go to bed right now, but it's.

1012
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:16,280
Speaker 3: Six six thirty yep.

1013
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 2: Shoot. Yeah.

1014
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 3: So the last couple of years I've I've had this year,

1015
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:23,839
Speaker 3: I didn't. This is the first year I didn't have

1016
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 3: one in a couple of years anyway. But I had

1017
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 3: some friends that come up and we put up a

1018
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 3: wall tint and woodstove, piles of wood cots, the whole works,

1019
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 3: and just hunt straight from that wall tint. We just leave.

1020
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 3: I'll just start hiking right from there. Oh yeah, just

1021
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 3: leave in the dark, come back in the dark. It's great.

1022
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 3: Don't even fire up the truck. Just there's so much

1023
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 3: country to go hunt that you can do that in

1024
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 3: a couple of these little areas that I know you

1025
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 3: can just just anchor in and then just go find deer.

1026
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 3: And we've been pretty successful over the years doing that.

1027
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 3: And it's fun. It's just you come back, you cook

1028
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 3: a good meal, you hang out, drink a little whiskey,

1029
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:14,399
Speaker 3: tell some stories. Yeah, talk shop. Yeah, it's a good time.

1030
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 3: So yeah, you should come up. You'd enjoy the hell

1031
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,839
Speaker 3: out of it. And I know you liked to come

1032
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,320
Speaker 3: hunt North Idaho for white tails. It's real similar.

1033
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's my cup of teas. Yeah. I love

1034
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: that kind of hunting and that kind of country. You know,

1035
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 1: my wife and I came over two years ago, I

1036
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: think it was two three years maybe three years ago,

1037
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 1: into Montana whitetail hunting when we had a really short

1038
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 1: window to hunt and we were only they had like

1039
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 1: three days, right, so the conditions weren't ideal. But I

1040
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: ended up getting deer. I got a little buck. But

1041
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:00,919
Speaker 1: but you know, I was a little weirded out because

1042
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 1: in Montana they check for c w D. Right, you

1043
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: have your CWD stations and they're checking for that all

1044
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 1: over it seems.

1045
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 2: Like nowadays, even Idaho.

1046
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 1: But they took a sample and and the same thing

1047
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 1: I had to. I bone this deer out, you know,

1048
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: and packed it out on my pack and in the head,

1049
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh man, you almost didn't get us

1050
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 1: that that little what is that. It's a little thing

1051
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: in the throat there in the back of the neck

1052
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: there that they keep.

1053
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 2: That's the lymph note.

1054
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: They sampled it for CWD way by taking those lymph

1055
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: notes there, just to see if it has CWD, and

1056
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: and they were kind of making a big deal about

1057
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: It's like, oh God, I'm scared to death to eat

1058
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: this deer. And they're like, yeah, don't eat this thing

1059
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 1: until if we till you, you'll get an email that

1060
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: tells you if it has IT or not. I'm like, okay,

1061
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 1: so get I get the email and it was fine,

1062
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: of course, which I was thrilled because man, I love

1063
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: deer meat.

1064
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 2: It's so so good. But yeah, it is.

1065
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 3: I got mind tested this year and it came back clean.

1066
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1067
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: And I don't know, you know, I probably have an

1068
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: unpopular opinion.

1069
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:12,439
Speaker 2: Maybe I might be wrong.

1070
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: I've just this is kind of my gut feeling, like

1071
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 1: I feel like maybe cwd's probably been here for a

1072
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: lot longer than we think, and they're starting to find

1073
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: it more because they're testing more for it. I know,

1074
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:29,479
Speaker 1: people and I've shot a deer that was obviously sick

1075
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: and weird and had something wrong with it, and I

1076
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: know other people that have and who knows, you know,

1077
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: that's been you know, twenty thirty years ago even but

1078
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: but who knows, you know, it may have been around

1079
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 1: maybe not, But.

1080
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 2: I guess we'll see.

1081
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a pretty big hot topic among you know,

1082
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: a lot of the different state game agencies. They're they're

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Speaker 1: taking it very seriously.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're and they're finding it in more and more

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00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 3: areas too. And they've been testing some these areas for

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00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 3: a while, but they are finding it now. And I

1087
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 3: don't know how long it's been in our area, but

1088
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 3: we've been dealing with it for I don't know, six

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00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 3: or seven years now, and it seems like a lot

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00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 3: of deer are coming back clean from the tests. But

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00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,959
Speaker 3: they are still finding it. It's never going to go away. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: their their management strategies are questionable. I don't know. I'm

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00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 3: not a wildlife biologist, but god, it doesn't seem like

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00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 3: we're going to shoot our way out of the problem.

1095
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't know. It doesn't seem to have

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00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 3: worked in Wisconsin. They're still dealing with it right, Well, like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I honestly I am ignorant on management strategies and how effective.

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Speaker 1: They are, so take that worth maybe trying to do something,

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00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: you know, let's let's try to do something to fix it,

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00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: whatever that may be or for Unfortunately, like in Idaho

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01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: and some of the places they found it, Man, they've

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01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: they nuked the deer off. They killed a bunch of

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01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 1: them in the first then the in the unit where

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01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: they first found it they found it, and then that

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01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 1: that fall they had an emergency hunt which they wanted

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01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 1: to they give out I don't know, four or five

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01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: hundred extra tags or I might be wrong on the number,

1108
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 1: but it would seemed like a lot and to go

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01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,919
Speaker 1: harvest somewhere deer and then that way they could test

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01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: those as well to see, you know, how bad is it.

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01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 2: And then.

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Speaker 1: Man, they've just kind of doubled down on killing. You know,

1113
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 1: let's shoot our way out of this. I don't know

1114
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 1: if that's the right answer, But like you say, I'm

1115
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 1: not a biologist either by by no means. But yeah,

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01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 1: I guess time will tell, you know, how it all

1117
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 1: plays out. I think everything probably runs its course a

1118
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: one way or another. And there's not a lot you

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01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 1: can do about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, let's just so there researchers come up with

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01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 3: some type of treatment that it can be dealt with

1122
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 3: in the future.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

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01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 3: They look to dolculate, like to uh, I guess, I

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01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 3: don't know. It's hard saying I already know what they're

1126
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 3: even thinking about being in a pre on disease. It's like,

1127
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's preventable or if Yeah, I

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01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 3: don't you think they would. They've got a long ways

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01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 3: to go.

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01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 2: I guess. Yeah, Well, like EHD and and and blue tongue,

1131
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 2: you know, those are.

1132
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 1: Passed from the bugs or whatever. You know, nats bite

1133
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 1: in the deer and you know common you know, I

1134
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 1: don't even I don't know anything about anything, But I'm like, well,

1135
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 1: why aren't people spraying you know, you know, insecticides around

1136
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 1: ponds and areas where these deer are getting getting congregated

1137
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 1: during a drought year. You know, the area I grew

1138
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: up in. You know, there's a lot of cattle pond

1139
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 1: and stuff. Why why aren't they going out and just spraying,

1140
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 1: you know, killing bugs. Obviously that's not the right answer.

1141
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 2: They would have done it.

1142
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe that's just a foolish thinking, you know, the

1143
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 1: armchair from the armchair. It seems like, oh, we got

1144
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 1: all these ideas, why don't you do this?

1145
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 2: But yeah, you just don't know. Yeah, we.

1146
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 3: As a country, we sprayed a lot of stuff around

1147
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 3: and with very negative results for other creatures from unintended consequences.

1148
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 3: So I think people are a little leary of that.

1149
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 1: Songbirds and everything else. Yeah, we have little critters and stuff.

1150
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 1: Who knows, maybe the deer wouldn't like to spray, but

1151
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 1: yet they'll put all these other things, all these you know,

1152
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 1: we'd killers and crap on fields.

1153
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 2: And I don't know, it's weird.

1154
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 1: We'll never know.

1155
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I it seems like those like EHD and

1156
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 3: blue tongue really really happened when there are yeah, dry seat.

1157
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 3: It seems like dry years and warm falls when we

1158
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 3: start like don't have a frost early on, those midges

1159
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 3: kind of can persist into the fall. Yeah, And I

1160
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 3: guess I don't know. Maybe they reached this this threshold

1161
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 3: where it can start passing amongst the deer population and

1162
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 3: the midge population. All right, but yeah we haven't We've

1163
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 3: not had it affect our deer up here, but I

1164
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 3: it has affected the deer in the Missoula area, and

1165
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 3: I know central Idaho has had it, yeah, but it

1166
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 3: seems to be more persistent on the east side of

1167
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 3: the state of Montana and the river bottoms. Yea, in

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01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 3: Montana anyway, I.

1169
01:03:56,760 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 1: Know where I grew up then in the agricultural areas

1170
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 1: and on the on the canyon breaks those areas, which

1171
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 1: is always a little warmer, little and I think there's

1172
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 1: more deer there too. And they had a matt when

1173
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 1: when the first hit, like we I think was ninety

1174
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 1: five or ninety seven somewhere in there, and man, they

1175
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 1: had a giant die off. You know. You talk to

1176
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 1: the farmers and they're like, man, we went out and

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01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 1: there were dead rotten deer carcasses everywhere. Wow, picking up

1178
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 1: big deadhead bucks everywhere. And then they're you know, the

1179
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 1: biologists say, some of the deer will develop a they're

1180
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 1: not effected by it per se, or a resistance to it,

1181
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 1: and those deer will carry on and have more offspring

1182
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 1: that we'll have a resistance. But then a few years

1183
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 1: go by and then we have another.

1184
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 2: Big die off.

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01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 1: So I feel like there's a lot of I don't

1186
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 1: think it's a perfect science.

1187
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 2: I might be right, but.

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01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, it seems to come around ever since then,

1189
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 1: ever since that year. We've never had it before, instant

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01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 1: ever since that year.

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01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 2: Where'd these damn nats come from? Did they blow in

1192
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 2: on the wind?

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01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 1: I mean, how did like Idaho's had droughts before then? Right?

1194
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 1: Why all of a sudden We've always had a lot

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01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 1: of deer back previous to that.

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01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 2: So what made it happen? I don't know.

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01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 1: I need to get a biologist on here and just

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01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 1: really ask all those questions and hopefully they could maybe

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Speaker 1: shed some light on that for us.

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01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 2: That'd be great.

1201
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good idea. Yeah, those are good questions. Yeah, right,

1202
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:42,920
Speaker 3: because you know we've had those those midges or gnats

1203
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 3: or whatever that transmits this disease. And why why now?

1204
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 3: And why so frequently? And if deer are developing resistance

1205
01:05:55,480 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 3: are the is the disease slowly changing or adapting? Is

1206
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 3: it this this back and forth war between resistance of

1207
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 3: the deer and the and a new kind of slightly

1208
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 3: different type of like just a little little change in

1209
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 3: the DNA of this disease to make it penetrate the

1210
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 3: armor of the the deer. I don't know. Those are

1211
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 3: all good questions. I'd like to know more about that

1212
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 3: as well.

1213
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll have to start sniffing around and see if

1214
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 1: I can find a CWD expert that that I would.

1215
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 2: Love to get on here and talk about.

1216
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, like a wildlife disease or parasitology expert.

1217
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 1: There's that guy on on Instagram, serve a nut or

1218
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 1: something maybe, Oh yeah, reach out to him, see if

1219
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 1: I can pick his brain, get him on her full finger.

1220
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 2: I think that's his name.

1221
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 3: Well, he's a I think he's friends with the meat eater.

1222
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll see if I can look him up.

1223
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be interesting to hear more about.

1224
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 1: Well, man, I appreciate we're we're we wrote. We've gone

1225
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 1: over an hour here, so man, I appreciate you coming on.

1226
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 1: It's always like we could sit here for hours and visit.

1227
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 1: I'm glad we got to catch up. It seems like

1228
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 1: we don't get to catch up until the Western Hunting

1229
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 1: Expo in Salt Lake, so now we'll have other things

1230
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 1: to talk about.

1231
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 2: When I see you down there.

1232
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, but I appreciate it. How can folks find

1233
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 1: you if they want to look you up on social.

1234
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 3: They can find me on Instagram. That's the only place

1235
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 3: I really exist as far I guess I'm on a

1236
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 3: Rockslide as well as a staff writer. But yeah, in

1237
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 3: my Instagram handle is Josh Underscore boyd Underscore MT something

1238
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 3: like that. I don't even remember what it is, but

1239
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 3: if you do, if you go Josh Boyd MT, you'll

1240
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 3: find me. I'll show up. There'll be a bunch of

1241
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 3: hunting pictures. That's about all I share. There is some

1242
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 3: hunting content. Yeah, and if you go to rockslide dot

1243
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 3: com you can find me over there as well, mostly

1244
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 3: just review articles on the homepage for gear reviews. I

1245
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:23,639
Speaker 3: do participate in the forums a little bit, but mostly

1246
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 3: it's just review writing, gear testing right on. So yeah,

1247
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:31,639
Speaker 3: it seems to be a busy place over there these days.

1248
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:34,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, good, well, thanks again man, I appreciate it coming

1249
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 1: on and yeah, look forward to more conversations down the road.

1250
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate it, Derek, it was a great, great conversation.

1251
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.

1252
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 1: Yep, absolutely