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Speaker 2: like everybody is. I think I'm pretty normal. I grew
Speaker 2: up in a small town. Blah blah blah. I don't
Speaker 2: have a lot of hobbies. I've told you before. I
Speaker 2: like real estate because my wife's a designer. I like design.
Speaker 2: I like architecture, like I like aviation and architecture. Things
Speaker 2: are fascinating. I can watch stuff on you know, true crime, aeroplanes, architecture.
Speaker 2: Those are like weird hobbies, right like you, You are
Speaker 2: very Matthew.
Speaker 3: You love poker.
Speaker 4: I got it, I interrupted you. But because of the
Speaker 4: Euros the soccer tournament, I have no show Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,
Speaker 4: Friday night, flying to Vegas, playing in a couple of
Speaker 4: World series because World Series Poker's going. So I'm playing
Speaker 4: and playing in a couple of World series of Pope.
Speaker 4: No this one. These I don't need a loan. These
Speaker 4: are not the biggest tournamental playing costs like five grand.
Speaker 4: This isn't the fifty thousand against Helmuth. But I'm playing
Speaker 4: in a couple of tournaments. Uh, thank you for the offer.
Speaker 4: Uh this weekend, so yeah, I'm Matthew, I'm You're You're
Speaker 4: out here being like, all right, if I buy this
Speaker 4: house and renovate it and flip it, I can make
Speaker 4: a million dollars. And I'm like no, and okay, well sorry,
Speaker 4: I didn't mean that bad. And I'm like, if I
Speaker 4: buy into this poker tournament and win it, I can
Speaker 4: make a million dollars. Like it's just different types of ideas,
Speaker 4: but go ahead.
Speaker 2: Right, we're trying to land in the same way, land
Speaker 2: in the same.
Speaker 4: Spot, doing something as a hobby that we're kind of
Speaker 4: passionate about. That's what I meant. I didn't even mean
Speaker 4: it as a shot. Like you like real estate, you
Speaker 4: like the idea, your wife likes the beauty of it.
Speaker 4: And if at the end of it, you can also
Speaker 4: make some money out of it, that's a bonus. That's great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I also pitched a series to a company
Speaker 2: recently and they they accepted it. Oh, so I'm not
Speaker 2: going to get too much into that. It's pretty fascinating.
Speaker 2: So I tend to what I like is storytelling. I
Speaker 2: like true crime. I think real estate storytelling. I buy
Speaker 2: beat up places, we create an image, we kind of
Speaker 2: create a house that's a story in me. That's how
Speaker 2: I view it. So I tend to like journeys. I
Speaker 2: like building stuff. I like journeys. That's I would say,
Speaker 2: that's one of my weird, idiosyncratic like things. So, but
Speaker 2: I was thinking about this about summer plans, is that
Speaker 2: this is this is strange. Everybody's got a weird habit.
Speaker 2: But I honestly think, obviously I love spending time with
Speaker 2: my kids, my wife and animals.
Speaker 3: But one of the joys is I get older.
Speaker 4: Tell me if I'm weird, definitely is going.
Speaker 2: On two hour walks by myself on the beach, nothing
Speaker 2: nobody and talking to myself and working out my problems.
Speaker 2: And when I go to watch Hill in the summer,
Speaker 2: I go on that beach and I don't even take
Speaker 2: a phone, and I go on these two hour walks
Speaker 2: and it's therapy. I think about my kids, I talk
Speaker 2: to myself, and I have found in later in life,
Speaker 2: and I'd like to encourage the rest of America to
Speaker 2: do it. Not only talk to yourself, have conversations, do
Speaker 2: it regularly. Nick, I am going there. I'm taking the
Speaker 2: first time in my career. I'm taking two weeks off
Speaker 2: during my show. I've never done that. I've never done that,
Speaker 2: but I believe as college football is exploding this year
Speaker 2: with a big ten explosion that I'm when I work Saturdays,
Speaker 2: and so I think I've talked to my bosses at
Speaker 2: Fox and I said, I think we have to kind
Speaker 2: of revisit the way we do this business. That July
Speaker 2: and August do not matter anymore. Fox is very much
Speaker 2: a fall company, and now with a UFL.
Speaker 3: A spring company.
Speaker 2: I'm going to take two weeks off and I'm going
Speaker 2: to go and just go to the beach and just.
Speaker 4: Go on what beach? Hold on? You said, a beach,
Speaker 4: but I don't. Is that in I have an island
Speaker 4: private beach by where I live. Yeah, in Rhode Island.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2: So, so as I tell you this story, I think
Speaker 2: to myself, I'm giving something of myself. And it's really weird.
Speaker 2: And when you're a public figure to any level, you
Speaker 2: don't want to be weird. It's off putting to the audience.
Speaker 2: The audience doesn't want to hear your weird, odd behavior.
Speaker 2: I will go walk every day for two hours and
Speaker 2: talk to myself and work myself through my problems and
Speaker 2: I've seen people look at me talking to myself on
Speaker 2: the beach.
Speaker 4: Well, let me I can still move away. I can.
Speaker 4: So I have a lot of thoughts. So I want
Speaker 4: you you want me to share my weird thing is
Speaker 4: is that you want me to do it?
Speaker 3: Would you use No, I want you to share. I
Speaker 3: want to That's fine.
Speaker 4: I love this. First, let me respond to what you
Speaker 4: were saying. The first point is this, if you just
Speaker 4: put an AirPod in, people will just think you're on
Speaker 4: the phone. They won't think you're weird. So I just
Speaker 4: solved tap your problem, all right, So don't worry. Is
Speaker 4: it's a way I have an airput it. That's first part.
Speaker 4: Second part is walking on the beach being therapeutic, not
Speaker 4: a unique Colin cowhard thing. So nobody thinks you're weird
Speaker 4: for that. That's pretty That's kind of why people love
Speaker 4: the beach. Like going walking on the beach, talking to
Speaker 4: you yourself for two hours probably weird for ninety nine
Speaker 4: percent of the country. However, not weird for Colin Cowherd.
Speaker 4: Sounds that you're like, oh, you're going to beat Colin.
Speaker 4: Here's the deal. You you talk to yourself for three
Speaker 4: hours every day.
Speaker 1: Like like, like what you're what you're I mean, you're
Speaker 1: just you're taking a break from the show to do
Speaker 1: a version of the show that's just based on self
Speaker 1: improvement instead of on a studio on a beach.
Speaker 4: It makes sense. I don't think anyone's freaked out by it.
Speaker 4: I think it's I think it's great. If you're asking
Speaker 4: me what my what my weirdest thing is, I don't know,
Speaker 4: you just my weird Like. So, I mean there's so there's.
Speaker 2: What you have to nick you have to have something.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I definitely to create what how you think
Speaker 2: there's got to be a process that you go through
Speaker 2: that the milkman doesn't that the you know, I mean
Speaker 2: like there's got to be something.
Speaker 3: There's a process too.
Speaker 2: By the way, these people that can, to me, it's fascinating.
Speaker 2: My wife paints people that can go to a canvas
Speaker 2: and paint. Yeah, and it I'm okay.
Speaker 4: So the thing with me infa So the thing with
Speaker 4: me in that regard used to and I think I've
Speaker 4: told you this for it was I built those nanoblocks
Speaker 4: and I so so everybody knows what legos are. Nano
Speaker 4: blocks are legos, except there they're called nanoblocks, because the
Speaker 4: pieces are literally one centimeter by one centimeter and they
Speaker 4: are all so like the whole things like this this big,
Speaker 4: and they are but it might be six hundred pieces,
Speaker 4: and they are all replicas of historic buildings. And I
Speaker 4: created every single one that existed and then did like
Speaker 4: a deep dive on the ones that weren't available to
Speaker 4: purchase anymore and bought them like on eBay after market
Speaker 4: for a few hundred dollars and built the whole set.
Speaker 4: And it was because so what is what I find
Speaker 4: therapeutic is creating something that when I'm done, exists, because
Speaker 4: what we do is so a femeral. We do a
Speaker 4: show and the moment it ends, it's just in the ether.
Speaker 4: It's just gone. And I think part of this probably
Speaker 4: is for me based on the fact that I just
Speaker 4: did talk radio for ten years in the kind of
Speaker 4: early stages of social media where there weren't even clips
Speaker 4: that lived on. It would just be I would do
Speaker 4: a four hour solo radio show. It would be over,
Speaker 4: and there's no podcast, there are no clips. If you
Speaker 4: heard it live, you heard it. If not, it was
Speaker 4: a tree falling in the woods. And the next day
Speaker 4: I'd do it again, and that was very It's a
Speaker 4: very weird thing about our specific job, which is if
Speaker 4: you build a house, at the end of it, there's
Speaker 4: a fucking house standing there. You do a great show.
Speaker 4: At the end of it, it's like, all right, see
Speaker 4: you here tomorrow. We're just you know, there's no finished product.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I get so. I like jigsaw puzzles, I
Speaker 4: like crossword puzzles. I like legos a lot. I had
Speaker 4: a skill for If I had an actual skill for building,
Speaker 4: I think I would like to build things. But I
Speaker 4: don't know any you know, I don't know how to
Speaker 4: like build a table or something. But I like something
Speaker 4: that when I'm finished with it, I can put it
Speaker 4: on a shelf, you know what I mean, And it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: that's there. I did it enough. So so this is
Speaker 4: the weird thing. My daughter, my youngest daughter, and I
Speaker 4: the other day did a seven hundred piece like Disney
Speaker 4: puzzle and we had done it before years ago, and
Speaker 4: then we was in the box. We did it again,
Speaker 4: and then I came home and was sitting on like
Speaker 4: our table in the living room. And then I came
Speaker 4: home one day and it was gone. And I said
Speaker 4: to my wife I was like, what happened to the puzzle?
Speaker 4: She was like, well, I put it. I put it
Speaker 4: in the box. I'm like you, what do you mean
Speaker 4: you put in the box? She was like what did
Speaker 4: you think? Like that was just going to stay on
Speaker 4: our dark puzzle of Mickey and Minnie Mouse like It's like,
Speaker 4: I was like, like, what do you mean? I was
Speaker 4: like I was going to She was like I told her.
Speaker 4: I was like, I was going to keep it. And
Speaker 4: she looked at me like I was insane. She's like,
Speaker 4: what does that even mean? She's like, how are you
Speaker 4: going to keep a four foot long puzzle? Like what
Speaker 4: do you mean? And I and I probably wasn't going
Speaker 4: to do this, but in the moment I thought it was.
Speaker 4: I was like, I was gonna get a piece of
Speaker 4: poster board with like glue and get it on there
Speaker 4: and and preserve it so it's there. And she looked
Speaker 4: at me again like I have three edges. She's like,
Speaker 4: and then do what with it? And I was like,
Speaker 4: I don't know, probably put it under a better and
Speaker 4: a closet, but it would be there. I would have it.
Speaker 4: I finished this thing, and I want the documentation of it.
Speaker 4: It's why I think we are doing real introspection. I
Speaker 4: think I would enjoy being a writer. I don't think
Speaker 4: I have the skill for it necessarily, but I because
Speaker 4: a writer is similar skill set, not a skill set,
Speaker 4: but creativity of what we do. But at the end
Speaker 4: of it, there's a there's a thing, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, like, oh, I wrote this article or I
Speaker 4: wrote this book, there's a completion. I really do struggle
Speaker 4: with the fact that what I do for a living
Speaker 4: every day it just evaporates kind of And so yeah,
Speaker 4: so I don't I do also, like walking on the beach,
Speaker 4: I don talk to myself. I just smoked cigarettes heighten
Speaker 4: from my family. I just I just you just smoke
Speaker 4: a black and mild or a cigarette.
Speaker 2: So you know, I was thinking about this is the
Speaker 2: Lakers still haven't named a coach and they're just any
Speaker 2: You could.
Speaker 4: Argue, would you let Rob Blinka run the volume?
Speaker 2: Well, no, because it's a different business.
Speaker 3: I would not know. He's one of those guys that no.
Speaker 2: But he's one of those guys that's really a good
Speaker 2: looking guy with a lot of confidence and bright and
Speaker 2: I get you a long way in life.
Speaker 4: And great relationships and that that great that's the good looking,
Speaker 4: smart and friends, you know, good with good at cocktail parties,
Speaker 4: social that it is that those are a lot of
Speaker 4: skeleton keys to life. That is true. That that is true.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, and I think, and it's not a knock
Speaker 2: on Rob, but he's good looking, social relationships and and
Speaker 2: and bright enough and it just works. And then, in
Speaker 2: a weird way, the worst thing that could have happened
Speaker 2: to the Lakers is Lebron coming, because Lebron has done
Speaker 2: this for franchises his whole career except Miami. Remember that
Speaker 2: thing you used to use when we used typewriters called
Speaker 2: white out. Yeah, that you make a mistake and you
Speaker 2: could wipe it out. Lebron's like that for basketball franchises,
Speaker 2: shitty gms, average coaches. Lebron just wins championships like he
Speaker 2: just even more than Michael, who needed Pippin, who needed Phil.
Speaker 2: Lebron got every coach to the finals. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: And so he's the great eraser. Is that people forget
Speaker 2: how bad the Lakers were for a long stretch pre
Speaker 2: Lebron six years and yeah, and then Lebron comes. They
Speaker 2: went in the bubble, which was a weird year and
Speaker 2: people forget how mostly bad they've been with Lebron. Take
Speaker 2: the Bubble year out. I mean, that's the year Harbaugh's
Speaker 2: team was terrible and Belichick's was terrible.
Speaker 3: Like that year was.
Speaker 4: Well because I have to to defend the bubble. Before
Speaker 4: any of us had ever heard the word coronavirus, the
Speaker 4: Lakers had the best record in the NBA. So so
Speaker 4: I think that team was. It was the last year
Speaker 4: we ever had Lebron before he suffered his first significant
Speaker 4: injury of his career, the Solomon Hill thing with his ankle.
Speaker 4: Anthony Davis the best we ever saw him. So I
Speaker 4: do think that was the best team in basketball under
Speaker 4: any circumstances. But that doesn't change your point. The point
Speaker 4: is that they've ten years, ten years, won one fifty
Speaker 4: win season, and they will go into this season. Then
Speaker 4: on any night where Lebron or ad and this will
Speaker 4: happen often in the regular season, take a night off.
Speaker 2: Austin Reeves is your second best player. He does not
Speaker 2: start for Boston, nor do I think he starts for Denver,
Speaker 2: and I'm not sure he starts for Oklahoma City.
Speaker 4: That or Minnesota.
Speaker 2: Coming to the Lakers, Yeah, Lebron coming to the Lakers
Speaker 2: got you a COVID bubble title for a franchise with
Speaker 2: twelve who gives a shit in the end, it has
Speaker 2: masked a like twelve year eleven to twelve year run
Speaker 2: of large incompetency or suboptimal guidance well upstairs.
Speaker 4: So again, I I think they I think that title's
Speaker 4: as legitimate as anyone. But I don't think it changes
Speaker 4: your point, which is they have in both the Tatum
Speaker 4: and Brown drafts, they had the pick before Tatum and Brown.
Speaker 4: They had the number two pick both years. It took
Speaker 4: Lonzo and Ingram. And by the way, I have tweets
Speaker 4: out they're saying I liked Lonzo more than I like Tatum.
Speaker 4: I miss that and people here's the thing on that
Speaker 4: people people often say, oh, well, you had that wrong too, Guys.
Speaker 4: It's not my own my I have a lot of
Speaker 4: things I'm looking at. Figuring out the single best draft
Speaker 4: pick for the Lakers is not literally my only job.
Speaker 4: So to compare my how I would have done as
Speaker 4: Lakers GM win in that by that same metric, I
Speaker 4: am the GM of thirty NBA teams, thirty two NFL teams,
Speaker 4: a couple baseball teams, and doing other things. It's nonsense. Yes,
Speaker 4: I would have gotten it wrong to the Lakers got
Speaker 4: to get it right. There's that. There is the fact
Speaker 4: that they did. They either were too cheap or incompetent
Speaker 4: to keep Alex Caruso. They ever, Lebron wanted, no question,
Speaker 4: Lebron wanted Russell Westbrook, but Lebron wanted Kyrie Irving, and
Speaker 4: they found a way to say no to that. Lebron
Speaker 4: wanted Tyleru, they found a way to say no to that.
Speaker 4: They said yes to Russell Westbrook because they wanted him
Speaker 4: to because they're about stars. And then they mortified themselves
Speaker 4: with this coaching search. This is horrifying, man, horrifying. Danny
Speaker 4: Hurley told you he was to the point where he's
Speaker 4: talking to Lebron and the Lake. The Detroit Pistons are
Speaker 4: willing to pay Monny Williams more money to not coach them,
Speaker 4: then the Lakers were willing to offer Danny Hurley to
Speaker 4: coach them. It's not They're not as serious. They are
Speaker 4: a family business that is being run by Linda Rambis,
Speaker 4: Kurt Rambis, Kobe's former agent, rob Boalnka, and Genie Buss
Speaker 4: And the only this is what frustrates me so much
Speaker 4: about because there's still a contingent of Laker fans that
Speaker 4: are really Kobe fans that are hostile towards Lebron. The
Speaker 4: only reason this team has not been in the wilderness
Speaker 4: since yeah, the yeah, first term of the Obama administration.
Speaker 3: That's right, that's right.
Speaker 4: Is Lebron this idea he wanted to live in La
Speaker 4: not even oh, you had built a fun team that
Speaker 4: made since Nope, I want to live in Los Angeles.
Speaker 4: Find the cap space, all do the rest. I will
Speaker 4: get us Anthony Davis and we'll instantly win a title.
Speaker 4: And then so I just I don't I don't think
Speaker 4: you could squander a situation more readily than the Lakers
Speaker 4: have as an organization. And they man, they Darvinham seven
Speaker 4: weeks ago, seven weeks ago.
Speaker 2: And they didn't have an answer. Why would you ever
Speaker 2: fire somebody? If a company fired me, I can assure
Speaker 2: you they'd have a plan. Lakers have no plan, no plan.
Speaker 4: And the the Danny Hurley thing was e like this
Speaker 4: is where I've said this to you four I'll say
Speaker 4: it again. One of my favorite lines from an all
Speaker 4: time movie, Casino, when de Niro is on the casino
Speaker 4: floor with the state assemblyman's nephew or whatever, the cowboy
Speaker 4: that had the job they didn't deserve, and there had
Speaker 4: been three slot jackpots in a row, and de Niro's
Speaker 4: losing his mind because it was a scam. He says
Speaker 4: to him, he says, you're fired. And the guy's like,
Speaker 4: I'm fired. He's like, you're effin fired. He's like, I'm fired.
Speaker 4: He's like, yeah, you're fired. Because either you were in
Speaker 4: on it or you were too dumb to know you
Speaker 4: were being scammed. Either way, you gotta go. That's how
Speaker 4: I feel about the Danny Hurley situation. There are two
Speaker 4: doors you can walk through on that. Either you never
Speaker 4: actually intended to hire him and you thought having that
Speaker 4: story out there would be good pr and soften the
Speaker 4: blow of eventually hiring JJ Reddick. Or you really did
Speaker 4: want to hire him and you thought eleven million dollars
Speaker 4: a year was gonna get it done. So either you
Speaker 4: were trying to run a scam on your fan base
Speaker 4: or you were too incompetent to get your guy. Either way,
Speaker 4: you're unqualified. You are unqualified, and I don't This is
Speaker 4: why I brought up Blinka. That is in a lot
Speaker 4: of industries. Man, that is a fire ruble offense. If somebody,
Speaker 4: if you have let's say the I'm not going to
Speaker 4: compare you to Darbnham, that's unfair. But if if you
Speaker 4: if someone, if you get if you get fired and
Speaker 4: the company's like trust us, and then publicly, very publicly,
Speaker 4: goes after someone that everybody thinks, oh well that would
Speaker 4: be great. Oh they're getting costas.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm just making whatever it is. And then that person says, nah,
Speaker 4: don't want it, and the next day does seven radio
Speaker 4: shows telling everyone about why he didn't take the job
Speaker 4: and makes a fool of you. That person who screwed
Speaker 4: that up usually is held to account, and instead we're
Speaker 4: just left with they had a good meeting with JJ Reddick, Like,
Speaker 4: give me a break. You're the Los Angeles Lakers. It's mortifying.
Speaker 4: It's mortified, man. So I want to go back to
Speaker 4: something we talked about earlier. I think you know this.
Speaker 4: I like structural things. I like building stuff. I like
Speaker 4: structural things. I think it's an amazing time. I think
Speaker 4: something is happening in television, in media, in sports that's
Speaker 4: really really fascinating. Is that because basically television now. The
Speaker 4: platform of television may be shrinking, but it's all sports.
Speaker 4: I've told you this before. If TikTok banned everything except
Speaker 4: cooking and culinary stuff on TikTok and it lost seventy
Speaker 4: percent of its audience, be great for culinary because it
Speaker 4: would be the only thing on TikTok. You don't have
Speaker 4: to own a platform. If you're the only thing on
Speaker 4: the platform, it's powerful. And I think a lot of
Speaker 4: media critics say, oh, cable TV is losing its audience.
Speaker 4: The only thing that works on TV today. The only
Speaker 4: thing is sports. In every four years politics, So television
Speaker 4: now is just Fox has said on Fridays we're doing sports.
Speaker 4: Weekends were sports, We're going to Fridays. In fact, if
Speaker 4: they had the Amazon Thursday Games, I think Fox would
Speaker 4: say Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. We're a sports network, three
Speaker 4: days a primetime nonsports. And so I think what's one
Speaker 4: of the things that's interesting.
Speaker 2: Is that the explosion Caitlin Clark is clearly a catalyst
Speaker 2: for a business that was and let's be honest. Whereas
Speaker 2: Tiger and Connor McGregor elevated their sports, no Caitlin to
Speaker 2: some degree. Caitlin to some degree financially saved the WNBA.
Speaker 2: It was hemorrhaging money for years.
Speaker 4: That So let me can I just before you get
Speaker 4: to your point. So I think that people have a
Speaker 4: hard time saying that or accepting that both of these
Speaker 4: things can be true. It is good and I think worthwhile,
Speaker 4: and I'm glad that pre Caitlin Clark, there was a
Speaker 4: women's professional basketball league in America that was treated as
Speaker 4: a big time league and deserve to be. Okay, that's act.
Speaker 4: That is true.
Speaker 2: What is all it was improving in terms of basketball annually.
Speaker 4: Absolutely. Here's what's also true. There is proof of concept
Speaker 4: overseas that women's basketball can be profitable. That's why poor
Speaker 4: Britney Griner, you know, ended up in prison, was because
Speaker 4: a lot of these women go overseas make a lot
Speaker 4: more money. And that's not charity. They're not getting paid
Speaker 4: out of charity. They're because those those leagues in the
Speaker 4: those countries had found ways to monetize it in a
Speaker 4: way the WNBA hadn't. The WNBA was not well run flatly,
Speaker 4: they they had a product that could be monetized in
Speaker 4: a way that it was not. I'm not saying the
Speaker 4: teams weren't well run. I'm saying the league, as far
Speaker 4: as whoever was in charge of generating revenue, there was.
Speaker 4: But the fact of the matter is who whosever fault
Speaker 4: it was? It was a league that as a business
Speaker 4: was not a highly successful one at all. It's why
Speaker 4: you could get a I think you could get a
Speaker 4: franchise for fifty million. Well you know the is the
Speaker 4: franchise fee like it? So it is It can be
Speaker 4: true that it was. It had the potential, as being
Speaker 4: proven right now, to potentially be a super valuable business,
Speaker 4: but was not being true or run as such. And
Speaker 4: I think that was an oversight maybe by the upper
Speaker 4: echelon of leadership. And now with Haitlin, they have no
Speaker 4: choice but to adapt and evolve because there's gonna be
Speaker 4: money pouring in because there's so many more eyeballs on
Speaker 4: it now.
Speaker 3: But as I was.
Speaker 2: Thinking about this, is that there's always been this gap.
Speaker 2: I tend to think of my show are shows in
Speaker 2: terms of you know, like almost color coded, like red
Speaker 2: hot is Labor Day until February twenty third, yep, right,
Speaker 2: and then it cools down. It's an orange a Hue
Speaker 2: for NFL free agency. March madness was pretty good. I
Speaker 2: thought that college basketball had a good year, women helping
Speaker 2: with that, and then the draft and that's like orange,
Speaker 2: and then it goes back to a little stronger orange
Speaker 2: for the NBA playoffs.
Speaker 3: Then it's blue. It's cool, like we got two months
Speaker 3: of cool.
Speaker 2: And I will say that, you know, every four years,
Speaker 2: World Cups, the Copas, Euros, those are very good for Fox.
Speaker 2: Those getting numbers, they're fascinating. But I will say this selfishly,
Speaker 2: is that the WNBA has become on a fairly regular basis.
Speaker 2: It will fill a segment every day on my show.
Speaker 2: And I'm not doing it because I don't talk hockey much.
Speaker 2: I'm not doing it as a reach. And I was
Speaker 2: thinking about this, how people get famous. Some people get
Speaker 2: famous on art. Mister Rogers got famous on decency. Some
Speaker 2: people get famous or infamous on controversy accidental or as
Speaker 2: a LA law provocateur. And that not only is Caitlin
Speaker 2: Clark a catalyst, but the racial component and the underdog
Speaker 2: being picked on as a component. And it's a little
Speaker 2: like golf, where a very insular country club, predominantly white,
Speaker 2: wealthy sport had this profoundly popular, historically fantastic player, and
Speaker 2: that was part of the Tiger story. He was new
Speaker 2: on many levels. And I do think, and I'm not
Speaker 2: saying there is a racial component to the WNBA, but
Speaker 2: every business needs a catalyst, and every business their explosion
Speaker 2: is different. Some it's controversy, some it's all use go ahead.
Speaker 4: Sorry. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I think the Caitlin and the physicality, I look
Speaker 2: at it and I think, hey, just look at the
Speaker 2: WNBA as an American business. It is an American business,
Speaker 2: and their catalyst is an underdog from Middle America. And
Speaker 2: there's a racial component. That is a story one hundred
Speaker 2: years old in America. It could be there's a million
Speaker 2: businesses where that has been the case. The sports one
Speaker 2: that there's a little core is Tiger, although Tiger was
Speaker 2: profoundly dominant very early.
Speaker 4: So the yeah, I don't the only part of that
Speaker 4: is I don't necessarily I think the media some media
Speaker 4: is treating Caitlin as more of an underdog than she
Speaker 4: actually is. I don't view her as an underdog as
Speaker 4: much as I view her as just a rookie who
Speaker 4: is going through, you know, rookie growing pains, ebbs and
Speaker 4: flows I but is a really good play. But he
Speaker 4: is a really good player. You were talking about the
Speaker 4: way it doesn't I'm going to use a maybe unfortunate
Speaker 4: example to use it as far as it doesn't really
Speaker 4: matter why you get famous, it matters what you do
Speaker 4: with it. And I think maybe the perfect example of
Speaker 4: that is Kim Kardashian. So, Kim Kardashian was semi famous,
Speaker 4: a little famous, and then became uber famous momentarily because
Speaker 4: of a sex tape latly no, and what did she
Speaker 4: do with it? Created a multi billion dollar business based
Speaker 4: off her skill, talent and beauty. Flat late, she has
Speaker 4: one of the longest running hit television shows. She has
Speaker 4: you know more, I don't you know a clothing line
Speaker 4: or makeup line. I'm not all the way up to
Speaker 4: date on everything the Kardashians are doing. But she took
Speaker 4: that spark and turned it into a forest fire. And
Speaker 4: that is what I'm hoping the WNBA can do with this.
Speaker 4: You have Caitlin is the spark. The rivalry which dates
Speaker 4: back to college with Angel Reese, is real gas on
Speaker 4: that spark. The times absurd media attention is turning it
Speaker 4: into a real fire that at times the wrong things
Speaker 4: are being focused on, and it's and to go back
Speaker 4: to our bad actors on the internet stuff. There's a
Speaker 4: lot of grossness surrounded with it. But even if it's
Speaker 4: just by accident, there are a lot more eyeballs on
Speaker 4: this league enough so everyone in the sports world today
Speaker 4: was aware. Oh Man, Cameron Brink tore acel yesterday. That sucks.
Speaker 4: Think about that. Two years ago there was not if
Speaker 4: the number if the third most famous WNBA rookie got
Speaker 4: hurt mid season, it's not like one of the biggest
Speaker 4: things that happened. I'm in the sports world that day.
Speaker 4: From an attention standpoint, people now care, And that sounded wrong.
Speaker 4: I know a lot some people cared already. It has
Speaker 4: a relevance that it's a zeitgeist effect that it didn't before.
Speaker 4: There are, it is a bigger tint there are. It's
Speaker 4: the same sized tent, and more people are crowding in,
Speaker 4: and some of those people are real assholes, and I
Speaker 4: kind of wish they would leave, but they're here too
Speaker 4: come and so I so I agree with you. It's
Speaker 4: how I forever because I love tennis. I was hoping,
Speaker 4: like man, can someone in the Big three tennis become
Speaker 4: like controversial or where America cares, because I would love
Speaker 4: to have some Nadal Federer Djokovic seven years ago discussions,
Speaker 4: but my audience didn't care enough. So on the podcast,
Speaker 4: I do Nick's tennis corner during the Majors, and that's
Speaker 4: it because I respect what the audience wants. But Colin,
Speaker 4: I was on your TV show for twenty minutes on
Speaker 4: the Tuesday after the NBA Finals rapped, and we spent
Speaker 4: as much time on Caitlin Clark and Angel Reaches as
Speaker 4: we did on game five of the Fine And it
Speaker 4: was a smart programming decision because people have takes and
Speaker 4: people are invested. And I also think, by the way,
Speaker 4: the other important thing what was a bummer for golf
Speaker 4: was nobody was able to carry on from Tiger. There
Speaker 4: wasn't there were you know, like, there wasn't a It was.
Speaker 4: It was purely Tiger dependent, and the people like it
Speaker 4: was like, oh, is it gonna be rory? Is it
Speaker 4: gonna be this? It was? It was. It wasn't really
Speaker 4: anybuff with the w n b A. The hope is
Speaker 4: you have this rook you have all the stars are already
Speaker 4: there and you have this rookie class. Next year, you're
Speaker 4: gonna have page from Yukon coming in Paige who was
Speaker 4: supposed to be Caitlin before Caitlin. As far as like
Speaker 4: Transcendent Star and the young woman at USC Juju might
Speaker 4: be the best of everybody, and yes, and then you
Speaker 4: then you're not just relying on you know, oh, this
Speaker 4: person's out for the year. Sell.
Speaker 2: America likes football and basketball. We like our basketball. I
Speaker 2: mean hell, I mean we watch women's basketball in college.
Speaker 2: We like men's college basketball. We like the NBA. So
Speaker 2: this this country, there's been experimental leagues, you know, the
Speaker 2: the Ice Cube League. So the truth is there is
Speaker 2: no experimental baseball league that works, but there's experimental football
Speaker 2: and basketball leagues. UFL was getting a million three, So
Speaker 2: like this is I think basketball and football. If you
Speaker 2: really break down what America likes. Europe likes soccer, they
Speaker 2: just love it, and we love in America, we like
Speaker 2: our basketball and our football. You can you can develop
Speaker 2: stuff off both, and I think so I do think
Speaker 2: there's a very good chance that Caitlyn will create She
Speaker 2: is the cab list, and we will start. Now we
Speaker 2: may never have quite a quite a Tiger, but Rory's
Speaker 2: not Tiger either, either as Deshamba or Brooks.
Speaker 4: But they're captivating, the captivating and they and they and
Speaker 4: there are and there is a level of there's there's
Speaker 4: a level of introduction that the catalyst creates introduction, which
Speaker 4: is there are now going to be people who are like, oh, man,
Speaker 4: Asia Wilson is awesome. I like I like her style,
Speaker 4: I like her the way she plays. I think she's
Speaker 4: the best that weren't watching before, didn't know, but now
Speaker 4: they're fans of Hearts because they came to the party
Speaker 4: for you, because they're like, oh, I got to see
Speaker 4: what this Caitlin Clark things all about. And the other
Speaker 4: thing that I do think people that didn't watch the
Speaker 4: w NBA, like James Jones made this port on your show,
Speaker 4: is because it's there's less flying, it's more physical, and uh,
Speaker 4: there is There is also the I'm just gonna be
Speaker 4: totally honest, the added dynamic of like occasionally you get
Speaker 4: a game where it's like, oh, those two used to
Speaker 4: date and they broke up and they don't like, no,
Speaker 4: there is but there I mean that did happen recently.
Speaker 4: There is also the added element of real bad blood
Speaker 4: that the NBA has There's a lot of the stuff
Speaker 4: people said they wanted from the NBA, physicality and not
Speaker 4: so much. Buddy, Buddy, you're getting that from the w
Speaker 4: n b A. You arend percent getting it. And if
Speaker 4: you can, if you can get over the fact that
Speaker 4: if you don't have some preconceived bias of all, I
Speaker 4: don't want to watch women's sports. It's good it and
Speaker 4: the storylines are interesting, and I like there is a
Speaker 4: everybody likes that. Nobody believed in US teams, and everybody
Speaker 4: likes chip on your shoulder. Yeah, and in a league
Speaker 4: where everyone feels a little underpaid, probably fairly, everyone feels
Speaker 4: a little disrespected because of the attention one rookie is getting.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of chip on your shoulder. There's a
Speaker 4: lot of nobody believes in US, and it creates real
Speaker 4: captivating content in my opinion.
Speaker 3: Nick, we went an hour fifteen.
Speaker 4: It was great. I loved it. You finished your cocktail.
Speaker 4: I finished my glass of wine a long time ago.
Speaker 4: It is Yeah, it's great. It is juneteenth and Harlem.
Speaker 4: There is a big event going on right in front
Speaker 4: of my wife's store, and so I'm gonna leave here
Speaker 4: and go down there and kind of be with the
Speaker 4: be with the city, so it'll be great. Congratulations, man,
Speaker 4: I mean honestly your two favorite people to talk to
Speaker 4: in the world today. You got to talk to it,
Speaker 4: I know me and Tom is that grandy? It tuck
Speaker 4: to you later called bye.
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