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Speaker 2: Nick Wright is about ready to stop on by. We

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Speaker 2: got a million things to talk about. Go chop it

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Speaker 2: up for about an hour before he does. Download the

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Speaker 2: game Time app. It'll take you ninety seconds. Put in

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Speaker 2: the code. Grab your smartphone. Game Time app, take you

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Speaker 2: ninety seconds. Put in the code Colin. That's the redeem code.

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Speaker 2: That's me Coli in twenty bucks off your first purchase.

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Speaker 2: What's great about game Time is the prices go down

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Speaker 2: the closer you get to tip off or first pitch

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Speaker 2: or kickoff. A lot of times you get these killer

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Speaker 2: deals and you want to go to a game, and

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Speaker 2: this ninety minutes before a game.

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Speaker 3: You call it buddy, and you're like, I want to

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Speaker 3: go to the Dodgers. I got a ticket.

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Speaker 2: You want to go to the Dodgers, or you don't

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Speaker 2: have a ticket, and you go to the game Time

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Speaker 2: app and get your tickets. It's just so easy. Zone

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Speaker 2: Deals takes the guessing out of tickets. You show up,

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Speaker 2: got your seats. Redeem code is Colin. That's me Coli

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Speaker 2: in easy stuff. Lowest price is guarantee, last minute tickets.

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Speaker 2: Makes it so easy spur of the moment, use the game,

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Speaker 2: time app get in great tickets, zone deals, crushes. Okay,

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Speaker 2: like everybody is. I think I'm pretty normal. I grew

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Speaker 2: up in a small town. Blah blah blah. I don't

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Speaker 2: have a lot of hobbies. I've told you before. I

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Speaker 2: I like architecture, like I like aviation and architecture. Things

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Speaker 2: are fascinating. I can watch stuff on you know, true crime, aeroplanes, architecture.

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Speaker 2: Those are like weird hobbies, right like you, You are

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Speaker 2: very Matthew.

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Speaker 3: You love poker.

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Speaker 4: I got it, I interrupted you. But because of the

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Speaker 4: Euros the soccer tournament, I have no show Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,

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Speaker 4: Friday night, flying to Vegas, playing in a couple of

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Speaker 4: World series because World Series Poker's going. So I'm playing

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Speaker 4: and playing in a couple of World series of Pope.

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Speaker 4: No this one. These I don't need a loan. These

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Speaker 4: are not the biggest tournamental playing costs like five grand.

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Speaker 4: This isn't the fifty thousand against Helmuth. But I'm playing

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Speaker 4: in a couple of tournaments. Uh, thank you for the offer.

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Speaker 4: Uh this weekend, so yeah, I'm Matthew, I'm You're You're

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Speaker 4: out here being like, all right, if I buy this

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Speaker 4: house and renovate it and flip it, I can make

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Speaker 4: a million dollars. And I'm like no, and okay, well sorry,

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Speaker 4: I didn't mean that bad. And I'm like, if I

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Speaker 4: make a million dollars. Like it's just different types of ideas,

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Speaker 4: but go ahead.

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Speaker 2: Right, we're trying to land in the same way, land

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Speaker 4: Spot, doing something as a hobby that we're kind of

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Speaker 4: passionate about. That's what I meant. I didn't even mean

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Speaker 4: it as a shot. Like you like real estate, you

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Speaker 4: like the idea, your wife likes the beauty of it.

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Speaker 4: And if at the end of it, you can also

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Speaker 4: make some money out of it, that's a bonus. That's great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I also pitched a series to a company

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Speaker 2: So I tend to what I like is storytelling. I

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Speaker 2: beat up places, we create an image, we kind of

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Speaker 2: that's one of my weird, idiosyncratic like things. So, but

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Speaker 3: But one of the joys is I get older.

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Speaker 4: Tell me if I'm weird, definitely is going.

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Speaker 2: On two hour walks by myself on the beach, nothing

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Speaker 2: it regularly. Nick, I am going there. I'm taking the

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Speaker 2: first time in my career. I'm taking two weeks off

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Speaker 2: I'm going to take two weeks off and I'm going

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Speaker 2: So, so as I tell you this story, I think

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Speaker 2: And when you're a public figure to any level, you

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Speaker 2: The audience doesn't want to hear your weird, odd behavior.

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Speaker 2: I will go walk every day for two hours and

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Speaker 4: Well, let me I can still move away. I can.

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Speaker 4: So I have a lot of thoughts. So I want

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Speaker 4: is that you want me to do it?

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Speaker 4: I love this. First, let me respond to what you

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Speaker 4: it's a way I have an airput it. That's first part.

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Speaker 4: Second part is walking on the beach being therapeutic, not

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Speaker 4: a unique Colin cowhard thing. So nobody thinks you're weird

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Speaker 4: for that. That's pretty That's kind of why people love

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Speaker 4: Sounds that you're like, oh, you're going to beat Colin.

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Speaker 4: Here's the deal. You you talk to yourself for three

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Speaker 1: Like like, like what you're what you're I mean, you're

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Speaker 4: It makes sense. I don't think anyone's freaked out by it.

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Speaker 2: What you have to nick you have to have something.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I definitely to create what how you think

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Speaker 2: there's got to be a process that you go through

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Speaker 2: By the way, these people that can, to me, it's fascinating.

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Speaker 4: what does that even mean? She's like, how are you

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Speaker 4: you could get a I think you could get a

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Speaker 4: franchise for fifty million. Well you know the is the

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Speaker 4: franchise fee like it? So it is It can be

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Speaker 4: true that it was. It had the potential, as being

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Speaker 4: proven right now, to potentially be a super valuable business,

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Speaker 4: but was not being true or run as such. And

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Speaker 4: I think that was an oversight maybe by the upper

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Speaker 4: echelon of leadership. And now with Haitlin, they have no

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Speaker 4: choice but to adapt and evolve because there's gonna be

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Speaker 4: money pouring in because there's so many more eyeballs on

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Speaker 4: it now.

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Speaker 3: But as I was.

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Speaker 2: Thinking about this, is that there's always been this gap.

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Speaker 2: I tend to think of my show are shows in

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Speaker 2: terms of you know, like almost color coded, like red

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Speaker 2: hot is Labor Day until February twenty third, yep, right,

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Speaker 2: and then it cools down. It's an orange a Hue

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Speaker 2: for NFL free agency. March madness was pretty good. I

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Speaker 2: thought that college basketball had a good year, women helping

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Speaker 2: with that, and then the draft and that's like orange,

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Speaker 2: and then it goes back to a little stronger orange

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Speaker 2: for the NBA playoffs.

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Speaker 3: Then it's blue. It's cool, like we got two months

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Speaker 3: of cool.

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Speaker 2: And I will say that, you know, every four years,

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Speaker 2: World Cups, the Copas, Euros, those are very good for Fox.

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Speaker 2: Those getting numbers, they're fascinating. But I will say this selfishly,

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Speaker 2: is that the WNBA has become on a fairly regular basis.

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Speaker 2: It will fill a segment every day on my show.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not doing it because I don't talk hockey much.

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Speaker 2: I'm not doing it as a reach. And I was

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Speaker 2: thinking about this, how people get famous. Some people get

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Speaker 2: famous on art. Mister Rogers got famous on decency. Some

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00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 2: people get famous or infamous on controversy accidental or as

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Speaker 2: a LA law provocateur. And that not only is Caitlin

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Speaker 2: Clark a catalyst, but the racial component and the underdog

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Speaker 2: being picked on as a component. And it's a little

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Speaker 2: like golf, where a very insular country club, predominantly white,

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Speaker 2: wealthy sport had this profoundly popular, historically fantastic player, and

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Speaker 2: that was part of the Tiger story. He was new

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Speaker 2: on many levels. And I do think, and I'm not

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Speaker 2: saying there is a racial component to the WNBA, but

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Speaker 2: every business needs a catalyst, and every business their explosion

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Speaker 2: is different. Some it's controversy, some it's all use go ahead.

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Speaker 4: Sorry. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I think the Caitlin and the physicality, I look

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Speaker 2: at it and I think, hey, just look at the

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Speaker 2: WNBA as an American business. It is an American business,

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Speaker 2: and their catalyst is an underdog from Middle America. And

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Speaker 2: there's a racial component. That is a story one hundred

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Speaker 2: years old in America. It could be there's a million

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Speaker 2: businesses where that has been the case. The sports one

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Speaker 2: that there's a little core is Tiger, although Tiger was

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Speaker 2: profoundly dominant very early.

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Speaker 4: So the yeah, I don't the only part of that

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Speaker 4: is I don't necessarily I think the media some media

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Speaker 4: is treating Caitlin as more of an underdog than she

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Speaker 4: actually is. I don't view her as an underdog as

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Speaker 4: much as I view her as just a rookie who

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Speaker 4: is going through, you know, rookie growing pains, ebbs and

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Speaker 4: flows I but is a really good play. But he

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Speaker 4: is a really good player. You were talking about the

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Speaker 4: way it doesn't I'm going to use a maybe unfortunate

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Speaker 4: example to use it as far as it doesn't really

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Speaker 4: matter why you get famous, it matters what you do

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Speaker 4: with it. And I think maybe the perfect example of

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Speaker 4: that is Kim Kardashian. So, Kim Kardashian was semi famous,

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Speaker 4: a little famous, and then became uber famous momentarily because

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Speaker 4: of a sex tape latly no, and what did she

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Speaker 4: do with it? Created a multi billion dollar business based

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Speaker 4: off her skill, talent and beauty. Flat late, she has

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Speaker 4: one of the longest running hit television shows. She has

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Speaker 4: you know more, I don't you know a clothing line

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Speaker 4: or makeup line. I'm not all the way up to

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Speaker 4: date on everything the Kardashians are doing. But she took

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Speaker 4: that spark and turned it into a forest fire. And

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Speaker 4: that is what I'm hoping the WNBA can do with this.

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Speaker 4: You have Caitlin is the spark. The rivalry which dates

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Speaker 4: back to college with Angel Reese, is real gas on

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Speaker 4: that spark. The times absurd media attention is turning it

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Speaker 4: into a real fire that at times the wrong things

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Speaker 4: are being focused on, and it's and to go back

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Speaker 4: to our bad actors on the internet stuff. There's a

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Speaker 4: lot of grossness surrounded with it. But even if it's

512
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Speaker 4: just by accident, there are a lot more eyeballs on

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Speaker 4: this league enough so everyone in the sports world today

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Speaker 4: was aware. Oh Man, Cameron Brink tore acel yesterday. That sucks.

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Speaker 4: Think about that. Two years ago there was not if

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Speaker 4: the number if the third most famous WNBA rookie got

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Speaker 4: hurt mid season, it's not like one of the biggest

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Speaker 4: things that happened. I'm in the sports world that day.

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Speaker 4: From an attention standpoint, people now care, And that sounded wrong.

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Speaker 4: I know a lot some people cared already. It has

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Speaker 4: a relevance that it's a zeitgeist effect that it didn't before.

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Speaker 4: There are, it is a bigger tint there are. It's

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Speaker 4: the same sized tent, and more people are crowding in,

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Speaker 4: and some of those people are real assholes, and I

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Speaker 4: kind of wish they would leave, but they're here too

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Speaker 4: come and so I so I agree with you. It's

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Speaker 4: how I forever because I love tennis. I was hoping,

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Speaker 4: like man, can someone in the Big three tennis become

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Speaker 4: like controversial or where America cares, because I would love

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Speaker 4: to have some Nadal Federer Djokovic seven years ago discussions,

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Speaker 4: but my audience didn't care enough. So on the podcast,

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Speaker 4: I do Nick's tennis corner during the Majors, and that's

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Speaker 4: it because I respect what the audience wants. But Colin,

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Speaker 4: I was on your TV show for twenty minutes on

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Speaker 4: the Tuesday after the NBA Finals rapped, and we spent

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Speaker 4: as much time on Caitlin Clark and Angel Reaches as

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Speaker 4: we did on game five of the Fine And it

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Speaker 4: was a smart programming decision because people have takes and

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Speaker 4: people are invested. And I also think, by the way,

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Speaker 4: the other important thing what was a bummer for golf

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Speaker 4: was nobody was able to carry on from Tiger. There

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Speaker 4: wasn't there were you know, like, there wasn't a It was.

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Speaker 4: It was purely Tiger dependent, and the people like it

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Speaker 4: was like, oh, is it gonna be rory? Is it

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Speaker 4: gonna be this? It was? It was. It wasn't really

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Speaker 4: anybuff with the w n b A. The hope is

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Speaker 4: you have this rook you have all the stars are already

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Speaker 4: there and you have this rookie class. Next year, you're

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Speaker 4: gonna have page from Yukon coming in Paige who was

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Speaker 4: supposed to be Caitlin before Caitlin. As far as like

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Speaker 4: Transcendent Star and the young woman at USC Juju might

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Speaker 4: be the best of everybody, and yes, and then you

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Speaker 4: then you're not just relying on you know, oh, this

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Speaker 4: person's out for the year. Sell.

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Speaker 2: America likes football and basketball. We like our basketball. I

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Speaker 2: mean hell, I mean we watch women's basketball in college.

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Speaker 2: We like men's college basketball. We like the NBA. So

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Speaker 2: this this country, there's been experimental leagues, you know, the

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Speaker 2: the Ice Cube League. So the truth is there is

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Speaker 2: no experimental baseball league that works, but there's experimental football

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Speaker 2: and basketball leagues. UFL was getting a million three, So

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Speaker 2: like this is I think basketball and football. If you

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Speaker 2: really break down what America likes. Europe likes soccer, they

564
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Speaker 2: just love it, and we love in America, we like

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Speaker 2: our basketball and our football. You can you can develop

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Speaker 2: stuff off both, and I think so I do think

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Speaker 2: there's a very good chance that Caitlyn will create She

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Speaker 2: is the cab list, and we will start. Now we

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Speaker 2: may never have quite a quite a Tiger, but Rory's

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Speaker 2: not Tiger either, either as Deshamba or Brooks.

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Speaker 4: But they're captivating, the captivating and they and they and

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Speaker 4: there are and there is a level of there's there's

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Speaker 4: a level of introduction that the catalyst creates introduction, which

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Speaker 4: is there are now going to be people who are like, oh, man,

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Speaker 4: Asia Wilson is awesome. I like I like her style,

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Speaker 4: I like her the way she plays. I think she's

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Speaker 4: the best that weren't watching before, didn't know, but now

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00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 4: they're fans of Hearts because they came to the party

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Speaker 4: for you, because they're like, oh, I got to see

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Speaker 4: what this Caitlin Clark things all about. And the other

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Speaker 4: thing that I do think people that didn't watch the

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Speaker 4: w NBA, like James Jones made this port on your show,

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Speaker 4: is because it's there's less flying, it's more physical, and uh,

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Speaker 4: there is There is also the I'm just gonna be

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Speaker 4: totally honest, the added dynamic of like occasionally you get

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Speaker 4: a game where it's like, oh, those two used to

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Speaker 4: date and they broke up and they don't like, no,

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Speaker 4: there is but there I mean that did happen recently.

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Speaker 4: There is also the added element of real bad blood

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Speaker 4: that the NBA has There's a lot of the stuff

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Speaker 4: people said they wanted from the NBA, physicality and not

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Speaker 4: so much. Buddy, Buddy, you're getting that from the w

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Speaker 4: n b A. You arend percent getting it. And if

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Speaker 4: you can, if you can get over the fact that

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Speaker 4: if you don't have some preconceived bias of all, I

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Speaker 4: don't want to watch women's sports. It's good it and

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00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 4: the storylines are interesting, and I like there is a

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Speaker 4: everybody likes that. Nobody believed in US teams, and everybody

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00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 4: likes chip on your shoulder. Yeah, and in a league

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Speaker 4: where everyone feels a little underpaid, probably fairly, everyone feels

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Speaker 4: a little disrespected because of the attention one rookie is getting.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of chip on your shoulder. There's a

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Speaker 4: lot of nobody believes in US, and it creates real

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Speaker 4: captivating content in my opinion.

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Speaker 3: Nick, we went an hour fifteen.

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Speaker 4: It was great. I loved it. You finished your cocktail.

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Speaker 4: I finished my glass of wine a long time ago.

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Speaker 4: It is Yeah, it's great. It is juneteenth and Harlem.

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Speaker 4: There is a big event going on right in front

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Speaker 4: of my wife's store, and so I'm gonna leave here

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Speaker 4: and go down there and kind of be with the

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Speaker 4: be with the city, so it'll be great. Congratulations, man,

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Speaker 4: I mean honestly your two favorite people to talk to

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Speaker 4: in the world today. You got to talk to it,

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Speaker 4: I know me and Tom is that grandy? It tuck

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Speaker 4: to you later called bye.

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Speaker 2: All right, buddy the volume. Thanks so much for listening.

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